Rabbit-punching Jones punches were powder puffs- they had no effect on Ali, so the decision was correct. He was cagey and quick, and his quickness made it look like he gave Ali some trouble, but it didn't fool the judges. Ali looked bored, like having to put up with a fast sparring partner. Now replace 188lb Jones with another 188lber- Marciano- and the results would have been far different. Ali would have won on points, but his ribs and arms would have been battered to pieces.
clay was nothing more than a loud mouth yellow back and he showed his real colors when he ran insteaD OF FIGHTING FOR his country. there were 25 sports writers in madison square garden that scored the fight, 13 for Jones 10 for clay and two had it a tie You figure it out.
clay was nothing more than a loud mouth yellow back and he showed his real colors when he ran insteaD OF FIGHTING FOR his country. there were 25 sports writers in madison square garden that scored the fight, 13 for Jones 10 for clay and two had it a tie
Wow people saying Ali won hands down must have never seen the whole fight because Jones was clearly the aggressor and easily won five of the first seven rounds.
Yeah Ali came on strong the last two rounds but if one looks at the whole body of the fight, Jones should've gotten the decision or a draw. Don't agree? Listen to MSG when Ali is announced the winner. Plus, Jones weighed 14.5lbs less than Ali.
if you watch the whole fight jones had an edge, remember alot of those shots are being slipped, blocked and catched. If you just watched the highlight ali looks like the winner
Ali won this fight. He was still getting better. And if you watch the Liston fight you will see that Liston tried to KO him out but couldn't do it. Then that stuff got into Ali's eyes and he survived that round with SKILL. Liston knew Ali pedicted 8 rounds so he never came out for the 7th because he didn't wanna get KO'd by Ali. THAT'S WHAT HAPPEND ! As for the 2nd fight ? Science !!! Liston walked straight into a hard right and Ali scored a flash knock down.
This fight could have gone either way. This was Ali's "Max Schmelling" as far as an early carrer dissapointment. Except he got a pretty comfy decision instead of getting stopped. Max was a much better fighter than Doug though
doug jones was able to get to clay,,,sonny liston was a beast,,,what went on in those two fights we well never know,,,quitting on stool in an even fight on the scorecards,,saying his shoulder was hurt,,,,getting knocked out with one punch from a retreating clay,,from liston who was never hurt in the ring in his entire pro career,,liston who was deathly frightened of needles,,dies with hypo in arm,,,yeh right,,took secret to the grave with him,,,clay was super marketable prior to islam conversion
@zenknown ABSOLUTELY!! Joe Louis trained VERY hard for Marciano and was in pretty good condition. Thats why he took Marciano to 11rds in the first place. Joes reflexes were not the same. Rocky had a field day with Joe(especially in the late rds). The Joe before WWII(before Billy Conn) was faster, better reflexes, exellent counter punch, and great defense and Rocky would struggle to hit Joe.
7-1-2 99-93 to ali easily this fight wasn't at all close like some claim it to,when a commentator applauds you(like he did jones)or having great facial defense you know you are in trouble
something is up with ali in this fight his stance and hands look tense.... if he was alittle later in his career he would have beaten this guy like cleveland williams
They where great all im reading is negativity. Plesse remember they where ranked 2 and 3 at a time when Liston was aparently unbeatable ,it was a great fight just try count how many punches and how fast they were thrown and compare that to todays or any other heavyweight fighter and we might wet a bit of optimism from you lot,
What I notice is that Clay/ali gives up a lot of opportunities to fluster his opponent with his jab, compared to his later pro fights. You can see it in the arial shots from the beginning.
So, this opens up space for his opponent to establish position.
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cassius clay looks beatable at this stage in his career because his weight often ranged from 205-210,,when clay fought at heavier weight he learned to hold,clutch and push opponents heads down,,and fighting at 220 he was able to control inside game with his mass especially against smaller fighters,,a lighter clay was beatable as banks,cooper and jones proved,,
i remember watching this fight in a movie house.i thought jones won at the time.thank you for leting me see this again.there was a lot of pre fight hype.ring mag did a great story.inever saw jones fight again
Jones was a clever and experienced pro who really knew his way round the ring. He should have got the decision in this fight as Clay himself later admitted after watching a recording of the fight with his first wife. ut Clay/Ali learned from the xperience and became the great champ he was
It was drawish but certainly not enough to warrant him the no. one contender.
After the Cooper farce, he should not have been given the title shot but we are talking about Boxing, still corrupt today. Don King makes the old-time crooks look like Boy Scout leaders.
Look, you already lost that argument to me and theultimateforce about the Cooper "farce", so stop diminishing your credibility. Maybe no one else wanted to fight Liston. And Ali wouldn't let King ruin his life. He kept his team together with his love of training and made that bastard look elsewhere to steal money from. The 70s was the least corrupt period of boxing ever, between the mob era's end and before Don King. Dundee never cheated, just admit it. You won't gain anything from not doing so.
1. Don King DID steal from Ali as documented by Jack Newfield, $950,000.
2. Is it not strange that Dr. Clay never again had a split golve, that he is the only fighter in hx to experience one in a major fight after being knocked silly?
Joe Louis is far superior to Cassius Clay inside and outside of the ring. Some of the views on this video are clearly not rational. How about worshipping God or Jesus instead of Cassius Clay? It might bring you back to reality.
st7... Ali won the title at the same age Louis got knocked out by Max Schmeling. You can't take one fight Clay had early in his career and use that to announce that Louis was better. Louis wouldn't have beaten Foreman at 32, Ali wouldn't have been behind in the 13th round against Billy Conn, and Ali wouldn't have struggled against Godoy and Galento. Quit worshiping Louis.
hahaa! marciano ? joe louis ? beat "the greatest" wont happen. lmao marciano 5f 11 ? clay is 6f 3...marciano fights like joe frazier! and ali whopped his arse twice
if doug jones could land hard punches on clay throughout the fight,,,and is only 600 190 ,,marciano at 511 188 would have destroyed clay and shut his draft dodging mouth,,,like joe frazier said ,whos the dumb one now
People like YOU have NO place in sports because you refuse to acknowledge winner's rights to respect and appreciation. How much do you weigh, pussy? It's just too bad that you have an computer shield to protect you from what your stupid disrespectful comments have earned you. List the greatest sports accomplishment of your life here and then I'll decide how much YOUR opinion is worth.
Put it this way, Cassius Clay even with his head disorder will STILL win a fight against an ametuer faggot who thinks he knows shit. WHO is the champion boxer, YOU? OR is it the guy I'm watching win against Doug Jones. The difference is that HE actually fought, while you are a pussy and talk shit about people who have done more with their lives than you do.
Joe Louis would be much too slow and could not reach Cassius Clay. I might add, your Joe Louis in his prime couldn't even beat Sonny Liston, much less young Cassius. Watch Clay vs. Liston. Joe Louis would be a sitting duck for jabs, hooks, upper cuts and the over hand right. Oh no, my man, Joe Louis would not last one round with Muhammad Ali. Simply outclassed.
Louis however to his credit didn't waste punches like Ali and Ali tended to slow down in the later rounds. Louis never slowed down in any fights that he went the distance.
how can u lose if u kept hitting on target?no way
MrGmfs 1 month ago
Rabbit-punching Jones punches were powder puffs- they had no effect on Ali, so the decision was correct. He was cagey and quick, and his quickness made it look like he gave Ali some trouble, but it didn't fool the judges. Ali looked bored, like having to put up with a fast sparring partner. Now replace 188lb Jones with another 188lber- Marciano- and the results would have been far different. Ali would have won on points, but his ribs and arms would have been battered to pieces.
2ndAveLine 1 month ago
Ali won rather handily.
steam8859 4 months ago
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Jones was a clear winner,Clay was only good at running his mouth.
MurderToysWarfare 4 months ago
clay was nothing more than a loud mouth yellow back and he showed his real colors when he ran insteaD OF FIGHTING FOR his country. there were 25 sports writers in madison square garden that scored the fight, 13 for Jones 10 for clay and two had it a tie You figure it out.
MurderToysWarfare 4 months ago
clay was nothing more than a loud mouth yellow back and he showed his real colors when he ran insteaD OF FIGHTING FOR his country. there were 25 sports writers in madison square garden that scored the fight, 13 for Jones 10 for clay and two had it a tie
MurderToysWarfare 4 months ago
Clay lost more than the fight, he lost respect, he waas given a gift
MurderToysWarfare 4 months ago
Jones damn near dropped Cassisus.
loyaldude10 8 months ago
Wow people saying Ali won hands down must have never seen the whole fight because Jones was clearly the aggressor and easily won five of the first seven rounds.
Yeah Ali came on strong the last two rounds but if one looks at the whole body of the fight, Jones should've gotten the decision or a draw. Don't agree? Listen to MSG when Ali is announced the winner. Plus, Jones weighed 14.5lbs less than Ali.
BigJonAllred 10 months ago
@BigJonAllred No way. I've seen the entire fight. Ali won. It was close, but no way Jones won.
michaelyouth 1 month ago
1-muhammad ali
2-joe louis
3-sugar ray robinson
DonKilluminatis 1 year ago
"ali's style is to keep his hands down".. well dats why he cant stay without shaking now. but its worth, he will b remembered
dirtybase91 1 year ago
if you watch the whole fight jones had an edge, remember alot of those shots are being slipped, blocked and catched. If you just watched the highlight ali looks like the winner
k94845 1 year ago
I don't think there's any way you could give the decision to Doug Jones. It's a tougher fight for Ali but it looks like he won most of the rounds.
capablemachine 1 year ago
ALI was great.great speed...great boxer,great man.
cosminmielu 1 year ago
Ali won this fight. He was still getting better. And if you watch the Liston fight you will see that Liston tried to KO him out but couldn't do it. Then that stuff got into Ali's eyes and he survived that round with SKILL. Liston knew Ali pedicted 8 rounds so he never came out for the 7th because he didn't wanna get KO'd by Ali. THAT'S WHAT HAPPEND ! As for the 2nd fight ? Science !!! Liston walked straight into a hard right and Ali scored a flash knock down.
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
This fight could have gone either way. This was Ali's "Max Schmelling" as far as an early carrer dissapointment. Except he got a pretty comfy decision instead of getting stopped. Max was a much better fighter than Doug though
YogiBear13 1 year ago
doug jones was able to get to clay,,,sonny liston was a beast,,,what went on in those two fights we well never know,,,quitting on stool in an even fight on the scorecards,,saying his shoulder was hurt,,,,getting knocked out with one punch from a retreating clay,,from liston who was never hurt in the ring in his entire pro career,,liston who was deathly frightened of needles,,dies with hypo in arm,,,yeh right,,took secret to the grave with him,,,clay was super marketable prior to islam conversion
nastylefthook1 2 years ago
Joe Louis in his prime would have koed Marciano.EASY! I have Joe in the top three of all time. This is the ghost of Joe Louis.
zenknown 3 years ago 11
@zenknown ABSOLUTELY!! Joe Louis trained VERY hard for Marciano and was in pretty good condition. Thats why he took Marciano to 11rds in the first place. Joes reflexes were not the same. Rocky had a field day with Joe(especially in the late rds). The Joe before WWII(before Billy Conn) was faster, better reflexes, exellent counter punch, and great defense and Rocky would struggle to hit Joe.
elwin38 1 year ago
7-1-2 99-93 to ali easily this fight wasn't at all close like some claim it to,when a commentator applauds you(like he did jones)or having great facial defense you know you are in trouble
bjvsgsp 3 years ago 6
It was drawish--Jones on points if anything.
lumpagogo 2 years ago
something is up with ali in this fight his stance and hands look tense.... if he was alittle later in his career he would have beaten this guy like cleveland williams
portilop 3 years ago
They where great all im reading is negativity. Plesse remember they where ranked 2 and 3 at a time when Liston was aparently unbeatable ,it was a great fight just try count how many punches and how fast they were thrown and compare that to todays or any other heavyweight fighter and we might wet a bit of optimism from you lot,
marv1mjkenny 3 years ago
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Joe Louis is the greatest of all time. Cassius Clay is not worthy of kissing the feet of the brown bomber.
sf75115 3 years ago
jou louis was a glass jaw chump ali and foreman would have knocked that bumb out
bjvsgsp 3 years ago
by the way I recognize louis was a great ighter I was just pissing off the most annoying fans in the world and that is joe louis fans
bjvsgsp 3 years ago
What I notice is that Clay/ali gives up a lot of opportunities to fluster his opponent with his jab, compared to his later pro fights. You can see it in the arial shots from the beginning.
So, this opens up space for his opponent to establish position.
gmanry 3 years ago
I had not seen this one. Ali looks very effective here. WOW, Doug Jones could punch and get his ass beat at the same time.
pheydrus 3 years ago
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cassius clay looks beatable at this stage in his career because his weight often ranged from 205-210,,when clay fought at heavier weight he learned to hold,clutch and push opponents heads down,,and fighting at 220 he was able to control inside game with his mass especially against smaller fighters,,a lighter clay was beatable as banks,cooper and jones proved,,
nastylefthook1 3 years ago
yeah they all showed he was beatable, yet they all got their ass kicked, stfu now.
just btw. sonny listons left hook > fraziers
t3di2 2 years ago 2
is it me or did clay look a bit average?
jealousboy 3 years ago
he wasnt in his best condition for this fight
bsstyle123 3 years ago
someone send me a fuckin reall cassius clay fight not some mixed lame ass vid
mo4form 3 years ago
Jones was game! But he appears to lack power-hits Clay flush, and not much happens.
NilezII 3 years ago
Jones fought a good fight, but he did not deserve the win, neither would he have performed so well against an older Ali.
lombard34 3 years ago
doug jones was good meat, but he got beat. - muhammad ali
mrbumpandgrind 4 years ago
damn the koreans!!!
ironman36 4 years ago
hhahahaha
mrbumpandgrind 4 years ago
i remember watching this fight in a movie house.i thought jones won at the time.thank you for leting me see this again.there was a lot of pre fight hype.ring mag did a great story.inever saw jones fight again
russellhoffer 4 years ago
Jones was a clever and experienced pro who really knew his way round the ring. He should have got the decision in this fight as Clay himself later admitted after watching a recording of the fight with his first wife. ut Clay/Ali learned from the xperience and became the great champ he was
nearlyred 4 years ago
I disagree. Clay barely, just barely, managed to get the decision and deserve it.
Bonesteoca 4 years ago
It was drawish but certainly not enough to warrant him the no. one contender.
After the Cooper farce, he should not have been given the title shot but we are talking about Boxing, still corrupt today. Don King makes the old-time crooks look like Boy Scout leaders.
BooBooLane 3 years ago
Look, you already lost that argument to me and theultimateforce about the Cooper "farce", so stop diminishing your credibility. Maybe no one else wanted to fight Liston. And Ali wouldn't let King ruin his life. He kept his team together with his love of training and made that bastard look elsewhere to steal money from. The 70s was the least corrupt period of boxing ever, between the mob era's end and before Don King. Dundee never cheated, just admit it. You won't gain anything from not doing so.
Bonesteoca 3 years ago
1. Don King DID steal from Ali as documented by Jack Newfield, $950,000.
2. Is it not strange that Dr. Clay never again had a split golve, that he is the only fighter in hx to experience one in a major fight after being knocked silly?
BooBooLane 3 years ago
1. $950,000 is hardly anything, Don King stole like $20,000,000 from Tyson due to his inability to deal with him.
2. If Dundee had cheated, he'd have cheated in fights where Ali was in a lot more trouble, like the first Liston and Norton fights.
Bonesteoca 3 years ago
Joe Louis is far superior to Cassius Clay inside and outside of the ring. Some of the views on this video are clearly not rational. How about worshipping God or Jesus instead of Cassius Clay? It might bring you back to reality.
sf75115 4 years ago
Outside, but not inside.
Bonesteoca 4 years ago
st7... Ali won the title at the same age Louis got knocked out by Max Schmeling. You can't take one fight Clay had early in his career and use that to announce that Louis was better. Louis wouldn't have beaten Foreman at 32, Ali wouldn't have been behind in the 13th round against Billy Conn, and Ali wouldn't have struggled against Godoy and Galento. Quit worshiping Louis.
lombard34 3 years ago
hahaa! marciano ? joe louis ? beat "the greatest" wont happen. lmao marciano 5f 11 ? clay is 6f 3...marciano fights like joe frazier! and ali whopped his arse twice
sampilot 4 years ago
if doug jones could land hard punches on clay throughout the fight,,,and is only 600 190 ,,marciano at 511 188 would have destroyed clay and shut his draft dodging mouth,,,like joe frazier said ,whos the dumb one now
moochie 4 years ago
moochie... Marciano is the most overrated Heavyweight champion of all time. Frazier was better than Marciano, and Ali beat Frazier in their trilogy.
All Marciano did was beat old men and Light Heavyweights.
lombard34 3 years ago
People like YOU have NO place in sports because you refuse to acknowledge winner's rights to respect and appreciation. How much do you weigh, pussy? It's just too bad that you have an computer shield to protect you from what your stupid disrespectful comments have earned you. List the greatest sports accomplishment of your life here and then I'll decide how much YOUR opinion is worth.
xxendofdaysxx 4 years ago
Put it this way, Cassius Clay even with his head disorder will STILL win a fight against an ametuer faggot who thinks he knows shit. WHO is the champion boxer, YOU? OR is it the guy I'm watching win against Doug Jones. The difference is that HE actually fought, while you are a pussy and talk shit about people who have done more with their lives than you do.
xxendofdaysxx 4 years ago
sf75115 in 1963 Ali was developing fighter. He reached his peak 4 years after.
Jabitout 5 years ago
Cassius Clay is a show boating no talent figher. A great fighter like Joe Louis would plant him on his backside in less than a round!
sf75115 5 years ago
Joe Louis would be much too slow and could not reach Cassius Clay. I might add, your Joe Louis in his prime couldn't even beat Sonny Liston, much less young Cassius. Watch Clay vs. Liston. Joe Louis would be a sitting duck for jabs, hooks, upper cuts and the over hand right. Oh no, my man, Joe Louis would not last one round with Muhammad Ali. Simply outclassed.
dkevinwalker 5 years ago 3
@dkevinwalker I don't think so.
lemonite1 2 years ago
stf... Joe Louis would have gotten knocked out by Ali.
lombard34 3 years ago
Ali wasn't exactly a real hard puncher
premaritalsexisasin 3 years ago
Louis didn't have a particularly great chin, and he wasn't as big or as physically strong as Ali.
qwertyuiop84913 3 years ago
Louis however to his credit didn't waste punches like Ali and Ali tended to slow down in the later rounds. Louis never slowed down in any fights that he went the distance.
premaritalsexisasin 3 years ago
Ali was great in the championship rounds. He'd put some punishment on Louis there.
Ali's punches usually got through, and they would on Louis. Louis got hit by lots of rights in his career.
qwertyuiop84913 3 years ago
mate grow up
bjvsgsp 3 years ago