this people were planted by the original treaty ,like the ones that used to live in South Africa ,Rodesia or Hong Kong ,not to mention the American colonies
As gibraltarians we are all quite use to Spain's pettiness against us because we are proud of our british heirtage and have no wish to become Spanish ...
Gibraltar is british territory. You are fool. You spaniards have to give back Olivença to Portugal. You must respect the treaties. That's why we the portuguese don't like spanish!
Portugal and england are the older alies of the world. I just need that. Not spaniards trying us to sell our soul. You spaniards act like devil. I can't understand how you did tried to aniquilate so many cultures and meanwhile it was Castille that went to an end... Poor Castillians, they do not exist now... They belong to the past... But there are nations with pride like England, Portugal and Poland that still exist and defend their dignity!
I don't need your greetings or your simpathy! You are just making propaganda. I understood that many time ago. Your smiles are just cynical. You never ready to speak about politics, but you are always ready to claim Gibraltar...
Yes, they should give Ceuta and Melilla. You know that portuguese shield still used on the Ceuta's flag! How they dare to use it and occupying same time Morocco territory! I don't believe in Spain or spaniards, they are liars!
the portuguese want to be spanish and not portuguese, because be a portuguese means live in the third european world. your country is a shit, jealous bitches like you lick our balls every day.
magarcia004 If you don't need any allies, why are you in EU (European Union)? why is it usefull for You spaniards being in the European Union, tell us. I am curious...
You cannot call us portuguese fascists... It's You that don't give the example to Europe and to the world... You rule Olivença against the portuguese Sovereignty and use our portuguese shield in Ceuta's flag! Go home!
if you do not need an ally then why has your country accepted hundreds of billions of euros from Europe in grants and subsidies? You are happy to take the money and then you say "fuck you" to everyone who is not spainish. My country Italy gives much money to you but you know what? we don't like you because you just take all the time. Spainish peoples do not have good reputation in Italy, we see you as lazy and liars and racist. Franco was a long time ago, now is time for Europa.
PORTUGAL is the bitch of england, you only know how to eat british dick third worlder scum. Olivenza is spanish forever because it is a LEGAL TERRITORY, GIBRALTAR IS AN OVERSEAS COLONY. SO FUCK YOU POOR POORTUGUESE
Llanitos no os fiéis de los ingleses. Sabéis perfectamente que hay negociaciones entre Madrid y Londres. Algún día los ingleses os abandonarán porque no les importáis un bledo. Cuando la base anglo-americana deje de tener importancia estratégica, Gibraltar volverá a ser territorio español. y eso puede ocurrir muy rápido porque los intereses y las prioridades defensivas y militares cambian a toda velocidad. Llanitos, welcome to Spain.
Llanitos si sois ingleses no piséis tierra española para nada, no salgáis de vuestra roca, no habléis español, no hagáis compras en España ni uséis nuestras infraestructuras y hospitales.
Ingleses, estamos en pleno siglo XXI y seguís siendo los mismos piratas de siempre.
Same goes for you, you small minded piece of shite. Don't study English, don't leave Spain, don't play English music and if you have not noticed your Spanish shops accept our money, your hospitals accept our money. Most certainly we prefer being pirates than Spanish cowards. Get out of Europe you morons!
gibraltar was part spain and it should be returned,the british took it by force so it was never part of england to begin with you need to give it back to spain
NOT DON'T abandon the people,just give the land back to spain passage of time is no excuse for what was never yours to begin with,if I take your house by force,300 yrs later it does not change the fact that the house belongs to you and only through force I keep it
If your talking like that, Spain is the Ex. We are the secon marriage. And we are not talking about houses either. We are talking about nations. Houses cant have wars.
1st I think gibraltar will be given back to spain it's just a matter of time 2nd spain needs to give those 2 enclaves back to morrocco so they won't look like hypocrites,3rd with the polar caps braking up, who knows if the current coastline will be around in 50 to 100 yrs
Why though? What would be the point of all this? Even those Spanish enclaves like being Spanish. 1 wasnt really a suggestion. I mean what exactly would giving back all these small peices of land acheive?
to ease tensions between england,spain,morrocco.spaniards and morroccons are very proud, to the spanish gibraltar is a sour point,think of it you look at a map of your country and there is this small bit held by another for over 300yrs same applies for morrocco.
to ease tensions between england,spain,morrocco.spaniards and morroccons are very proud, to the spanish gibraltar is a sour point a constant reminder that their country is not whole,think of it you look at a map of your country and there is this small bit held by another for over 300yrs same applies for morrocco.a constant national thorn on the side
Our people and land should not be used as bargaining chips. I highly doubt that Spain is going to invade sovereign territory of another EU nation, and i doubt Morrocco have the military power of confidence to take back the enclaves.
fn - spain own a small rock opposite gibraltar called ceuta in morrocco. they are therefore hippocrites on this very issue, plus since we apply democracy as you suggest in your hawaii quote the status quo will remain for now.
gibraltar is not a nation,it is a colony or territory of england on spanish land that was taken by force,you need to give it back and please don't think i am biased or hate, england really is one the greatest nations ever
Nope, that is where you have it wrong. The first point is that the first Spanish bourbon King gave it away in perpetuity. Secondly the persons living in Gibraltar are not Spaniards, they were not colonised, Gibraltarians have a right to decide what is theirs because we have done so for longer than the USA has been a nation. How would you feel if you had to give Alaska back to the Russians. Or the USA back to Britain after all they took it by force. I rest my case amigo
1st the usa bought alaska from russia,the czar needed money we offered a sum he took it,so you have no point,the u.s. war for independence is a totally different matter of which has nothing to do with gibraltar,gibraltar was seized by the british during the spanish war of succession and spain was forced to give it up,and I never said gibraltans are spanish,my opinion is you need to give the land back,there are plenty of english living in spain just fine,
If anyone wishes to give Gib to the Spanish be it brit polititions european polititions or anyone one else for that matter there is one side of the equation which seems to be left out. The Gibraltarians and the British public, sovereignty of Gib is non negotiable a long as the people wish to remain British, I wish people would understand that, we are a sovereign state and the will of the people is more important than backsliding polititions, or foreign opinion. GIB is British, get used to it.
so if i take your land by force it is up to the people who I give the land to, to determine what they want, yeah it makes sense like a stolen car I steal it and give it to my brother and he has the rights to the car,YEAH REAL NYCE ! ! ! ! !
using your logic, California should go back to Mexico, Iceland should go back to the Irish, the western Isles of Scotland inc shetland should go back to Norway, iraq should go back to Iran, catalonia should go back to France, Aquitane should go back to England, Brittany should be independant from France, Austria should go back to Germany, east prussia/pomerania etc back to germany,shleswig/holstein back to denmark, list goes on. All these examples were taken by force.
yes your absolutely right we should do that,so get those people of GIBRALTAR, GIBRALTAR NEVER PART OF ENGLAND TO BEGIN WITH, SO YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT NEVER PART OF ENGLAND ! ! ! ! !
I never said it was part of england, what have tou got against the brits anayway, is it because of your war of independance when Britain sent armed troops against British people. btw you won that war why are you so bitter and hostile angainst the UK?
further examples, western anatolia should go back to greece, southern spain back to arabs, mainland England including southern scotland to the welsh, ireland back to the decendants of Cruthin/picts, north africa/the levant and anatolia to the greeks, vietnam to china, border area of pakistan to afghanistan, newfoundland to norway/denmark/,cueta to morocco, egypt to the Coptics,the list can go on. all these examples were taken by force, should they all go back to the status quo before occupation?
Say that to Israel. Your country was happy to do it, remember? or probably not BECAUSE >>>>>>YOU ARE NOT FROM THE USA It's obvious, your English is very poor and USA nationals are not that stupid.
I am from upland california,born and raised here you fcken moron oooohhh I missed a couple of words your a real clever one,hey do me a favor hold your breath for 10 minutes tosser
You are not from the USA its obvious,you a probably a Spaniard, and if by any remote chance you live in California, please pass on my condolences to Arnie, it must be tough sharing space with people like you!
coming from a brit I'll take that as a compliment,and if your only point is that I am not american you really are a pathetic person who really can't make a point.oooohhh I am not american wow you won this argument oh so clever one
if you had any fidelity to the USA you would want to keep Gibraltar British. Why? because it is the "only" true friendly port your country has in the Medand this part of the world. Gibraltar has always supported your nation at war and at peace. We let your war ships, your planes and your nuclear subs to arrive and re-supply in total confidence! No place else can you do this apart from the Britain.
ha ha ha,no loyalty to my country stop snorting coke,where do you come up with these pathetic remarks and assumptions,you really are clueless person and as far as our ships that is totally a different issue and I do thank britain for that but my point still stands you need to give gibraltar back and spain needs to give those 2 enclaves back to morrocco they where never part of spain to begin with either
why the interest? so if your people can't go to Gibraltar I'm sure that they ill help them out in Algeria or Lybia. They are dying to see the yanks there!
dumb ass? is that the way you talk to people? How polite!
By the way "mate" is an expression, in your language it could be described as "tio". if I had used the word friend then it would mean "amigo" and of course you are no friend of any friend of the USA!!!!
Gibraltarians are not entitled to anything. self determination of Gibraltarians is a fucking fake, as it is the self-determination of Basques or Catalans. Spain and the UK are the only parties to the conflict. Either Spanish or english, but never independent. Gibrsltar español.
It has been under British protection for longer than it was ever part of spain. Perhaps thats why the people their feels more british than spanish..they are not..they are gibraltarian, very different to british and VERY different to Spanish. Who am I or anyone else not from Gibraltar to decide the governing factors for these people. This isnt about nations its about people. I say unless it is going to effect your every day life its not your decision. Viva Gibraltar.
Gibraltar is part of Spain,i dont give a shit about the feelings of the actual gibraltarians.
First of all respect the feelings and the right of self-determination of the ORIGINAL PEOPLE of gibraltar,expelled in 1704 when the rock was conquered and kept by the force.
Self determination and democracy should be the driving forces behind issues such as these. Not which crown "owns" what. Gibralter small city full of living people continuing their lives as they have for tens of generations. It just doesnt make sence to talk about it as the "property" of spain OR the uk, or to say it "belongs to" anyone. It could have remained Spanish, it could have become portugese, it could have become a 2nd al-andalus, it could have been german, the possibilities are endless.
Many places in this world could have or should have been different. No analysis of ancient treaties or UN resolutions can really pin down what is the "correct" or "legal" thing to do about Gibraltar. No matter how small the people of that small nation have a right to determine their own future. 300 years ago when the Utrecht treaty was signed, nations only really existed and territories of different branches of royal families. We dont live in that kind of world any longer.
with hundreds of thousands of people from catalunya and Euskal Herria also being opposed to being governed by madrid, It seems odd that spain would continue to argue that Gibraltar should be spanish, when the people of Gibraltar dont feel they are spanish, they have their own history, which was connected to spain for 251 year but that was more than 300 years ago, and for the people there, spain has often been a threat more than a friend.
The muslims who dominated most of Spain were not from north Africa ( much later called Marocco) but from Arabia. Althoug there was a war that lasted almost 8 centuries there were many peaceful periods as well, and we did not burn down mosques. In the Middle ages the Cristian kingdoms were very tolerant and muslims and jewish were allowed to practise their religion. Actualy they took part in the parliaments and the Kings of Castile were crowned "kings of the three religions"
Not all were converted into churches. And what happened to all the churches from the pre-arabic era? Where are they? The vast mayority dissapeared under the arabs, like the visigothic cathedral of Toledo.
At least you still can appreciate the beauty of arabic cities as Cordoba or Granada
There is no point yelling about what is right or wrong now. You can't go back in history and change mistakes. All we can do is ask the people who live there now who they want to be, Spanish? British? Irish? Independent? If we do not come from the territory in question it's none of our business. Would you like me to make a decision about where YOU live? Let these people decide for themselves.
And your lands should back to the north africans. You kicked them out of the Iberian peninsula when you had no right to do so. The spanish went through Moorish towns massacring and buringing down mosques, what if the Morocan's want their land back?
A big part of Spain was INVADED by the arabs from the arabian peninsula. The north of Spain was never dominated by the arabs and the inhabitants of the north area started to fight and little by little RECOVER the land. So we did have a rigth to recover our own country. Actually we do not speak about "conquest" but about THE RECONQUEST
Technically, There had always been Moors in southern spain since the end of the roman empire. The Spanish in the north is their actual land. You had no right to kick them out as the two spanish states were constantly fighting. Also the Moors were muslims from Northern africa and not arabia
No, At the end of the Roman Empire came the bizantines and they founded colonies in the east of the spanish coast, but not moors.
the arabic conquest of the peninsula started from Ceuta to Gibraltar ( from arabic Gig el Tarik= rock of Tarik as he was the general from ARABIA in charge of the invation)
The only tribes from Africa who came to Spain were the Almoravides(1086) and the Benimerines in the XIII century and they din not stay long
its spanish you plank and ireland is ireland NOT britian you lot are robbers and devils wether it be ireland spain france argentina where ever get out and go home you gypseys nackers the scum of the world leeaching off others and robbing there land UP THE IRA INLA IPLO
is that so? then y do Gibralterians so determand to stay british? and why do 79% of Ireland support British rule? because its a great and beloved kingdom unlike spain that attacked england long ago and lost so we could begin colonising.
Spain and England haven´t been at war since XVIII century. For three centuries Spain has tried to recover Gibraltar only by peaceful ways. whereas your country betted on war in the whole world Spain betted on peace. that´s the glory of your beloved country in modern times. it took you more centuries to understand what is wrong.
Spain follows the rules of the UE. We treat inmigrants as persons. Spain ( christian or muslim )guards the entry of the Mediterranean since the fall of the Roman Empire. I think that should make us worthy. Don´t you think?
What are you talking about? that´s simply not true, really.The present muslims inmigrants in France or Britain came directly from their countries (previously colonies of france and Britain). They did not passed through Spain at all
well, we just fullfilled the treaty of Utrech, which Spain was obliged to sing, according to it, there should not be any acces by road to the rest of Spain. In reality having an open border is clearly against the treaty.
i care not for transport or roads i care for the well being of the citizens of the rock which were put at risk by a hainus act of malice and childishness
The connections would have been established during times of war. The Spaniards must have accepted, or 0 would have been done. On Spanish side, there are a few roads between the border and the Avenida de Principe de Asturias. The combined length equals maybe
75m (or is it more?), and these were not built by the British. If a car is stuck in the border queu on the Spanish side, issue a parking ticket.
Does the Treaty tell of how the connections are to be disestablished?
if it wasnt for gibraltar ingland would of never won the sea war in world war 2
446jamie 11 months ago
this people were planted by the original treaty ,like the ones that used to live in South Africa ,Rodesia or Hong Kong ,not to mention the American colonies
END COLONIALISM EVERYWHERE NOW!
MrDANIELDMARTINRIOS 1 year ago
U SHOULD BE PROUD OF BEING BITISHHHHHH
iosefcaro 1 year ago
"Gibraltar"-a great march by the Royal Marines - 1704 anyone?
adventussaxonum 2 years ago
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As gibraltarians we are all quite use to Spain's pettiness against us because we are proud of our british heirtage and have no wish to become Spanish ...
CCTVC09 2 years ago
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My homeland. Small in size but with proud people.
We shall never surrender our homeland NO matter what the spaniards throw at us.
Our identity is Gibraltarians our nationality British.
We decide our own future.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN .
The1704Gib 2 years ago
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Gibraltar isn't in Britain. How can it be British? It's not even *near* Britain like Northern Ireland.
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
the people of Gibraltar would rather be British than spanish, they would rather be dead than spanish.
stervi2 2 years ago 9
you are quite right in what you say, I totally agree on that, but notice you refer to the people, not the soil. The soil has always remained Spanish
carletegg 2 years ago
WTF?
chaozxtreme 2 years ago
maybe gibraltar asked nintendo's gameboy department for an anthem, sounds childish
FeelMetalMan 2 years ago
Olivença and Ceuta are Portugal
joaolisboa27 2 years ago
Gibraltar forever British by the will of it's people!
DonSimonUK 2 years ago
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Gibraltar will be british till the day spain give back olivença and ceuta to portugal.
joaolisboa27 2 years ago
exactly! Britain and Portugal stand together, both hate Spain :) lol
DonSimonUK 2 years ago
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GIBRALTAR ES UN TERRITORIO ESPAÑOL.
circulomadrid 2 years ago
Gibraltar is still british so shut the hell up.
loyalisttony 2 years ago
¡¡Gibraltar español y NO de la Pérfida Albión!
magarcia004 3 years ago
Gibraltar is british territory. You are fool. You spaniards have to give back Olivença to Portugal. You must respect the treaties. That's why we the portuguese don't like spanish!
sebmellovip 3 years ago
I have only heard insults from the british to the potugueses. You know, the moustaches of the portuguese girls and somethings like that...
magarcia004 3 years ago
Portugal and england are the older alies of the world. I just need that. Not spaniards trying us to sell our soul. You spaniards act like devil. I can't understand how you did tried to aniquilate so many cultures and meanwhile it was Castille that went to an end... Poor Castillians, they do not exist now... They belong to the past... But there are nations with pride like England, Portugal and Poland that still exist and defend their dignity!
sebmellovip 3 years ago
Go to suck british cocks!
You love them, go!
Spain does not need any ally. Spaniards only trust in spaniards (and not in all!!)
Greetings from Madrid
magarcia004 3 years ago
I don't need your greetings or your simpathy! You are just making propaganda. I understood that many time ago. Your smiles are just cynical. You never ready to speak about politics, but you are always ready to claim Gibraltar...
sebmellovip 3 years ago
Well said, and why don't the Spanish give Cueta and Melilla back to the Moroccans - double standards if you ask me.
2up2u 2 years ago
Yes, they should give Ceuta and Melilla. You know that portuguese shield still used on the Ceuta's flag! How they dare to use it and occupying same time Morocco territory! I don't believe in Spain or spaniards, they are liars!
sebmellovip 2 years ago
We, the portuguese are proud to support Gibraltarian people and the UK.
sebmellovip 3 years ago
the portuguese want to be spanish and not portuguese, because be a portuguese means live in the third european world. your country is a shit, jealous bitches like you lick our balls every day.
hummer8384 2 years ago
We never been, we aren't and we'll never be spanish. there are some nations inside Spain that want independence: Paisos Catalanos and Basque Country!
sebmellovip 2 years ago 3
Açores, madeira and north portugal independent as well !!
Hernanbarna 2 years ago
magarcia004 There is no spanish language, but Castillian. There are nations inside Spain wanting independence: Paisos Catalanos, Basque country!
sebmellovip 2 years ago 2
If you don't need any allies, why are you in EU (European Union)?
sebmellovip 2 years ago
Tú lo que eres es un fascista portugués. Nostalgico de Salazar. Seguro que tu padre era de la PIDE.
NAZIonalista portugués, métete tu patria por el culo
Portugués no es más que sinónimo de mano de obra barata, en España, y en todos lados
magarcia004 2 years ago
magarcia004 If you don't need any allies, why are you in EU (European Union)? why is it usefull for You spaniards being in the European Union, tell us. I am curious...
sebmellovip 2 years ago
You cannot call us portuguese fascists... It's You that don't give the example to Europe and to the world... You rule Olivença against the portuguese Sovereignty and use our portuguese shield in Ceuta's flag! Go home!
sebmellovip 2 years ago
If You have nottest, we don't need to be rude to tell the TRUTH!
sebmellovip 2 years ago
if you do not need an ally then why has your country accepted hundreds of billions of euros from Europe in grants and subsidies? You are happy to take the money and then you say "fuck you" to everyone who is not spainish. My country Italy gives much money to you but you know what? we don't like you because you just take all the time. Spainish peoples do not have good reputation in Italy, we see you as lazy and liars and racist. Franco was a long time ago, now is time for Europa.
Tubo430 2 years ago
PORTUGAL is the bitch of england, you only know how to eat british dick third worlder scum. Olivenza is spanish forever because it is a LEGAL TERRITORY, GIBRALTAR IS AN OVERSEAS COLONY. SO FUCK YOU POOR POORTUGUESE
3rd duke of alba (castillan) is your owner.
hummer8384 2 years ago
Gibraltar's not spanish. Olivença Olivenza is portuguese territory. Laila belongs to Morocco.
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magarcia004 If you don't need any allies, why are you in EU (European Union)?
sebmellovip 2 years ago
Llanitos no os fiéis de los ingleses. Sabéis perfectamente que hay negociaciones entre Madrid y Londres. Algún día los ingleses os abandonarán porque no les importáis un bledo. Cuando la base anglo-americana deje de tener importancia estratégica, Gibraltar volverá a ser territorio español. y eso puede ocurrir muy rápido porque los intereses y las prioridades defensivas y militares cambian a toda velocidad. Llanitos, welcome to Spain.
breggotte 3 years ago
No hay nada más gracioso en el mundo que un llanito diciendo que se siente inglés con puro acento andaluz.
Pobres llanitos, cuando estáis en Londres todo el mundo os pregunta si venís de la Costa del Sol. jajajaja
breggotte 3 years ago
Llanitos si sois ingleses no piséis tierra española para nada, no salgáis de vuestra roca, no habléis español, no hagáis compras en España ni uséis nuestras infraestructuras y hospitales.
Ingleses, estamos en pleno siglo XXI y seguís siendo los mismos piratas de siempre.
breggotte 3 years ago
Same goes for you, you small minded piece of shite. Don't study English, don't leave Spain, don't play English music and if you have not noticed your Spanish shops accept our money, your hospitals accept our money. Most certainly we prefer being pirates than Spanish cowards. Get out of Europe you morons!
KCKA22 3 years ago
gibraltar was part spain and it should be returned,the british took it by force so it was never part of england to begin with you need to give it back to spain
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
And what position are you in to say that. You might as well say Free Hawai
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
if thats what hawians want then I say give them independence
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
Trouble is though, the people of Gibraltar have chosen British over Spanish and we will not abandon our people.
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
NOT DON'T abandon the people,just give the land back to spain passage of time is no excuse for what was never yours to begin with,if I take your house by force,300 yrs later it does not change the fact that the house belongs to you and only through force I keep it
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
They dont want to be spanish though. Should we just ignore the people?
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
If your talking like that, Spain is the Ex. We are the secon marriage. And we are not talking about houses either. We are talking about nations. Houses cant have wars.
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
Any suggestions?
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
1st I think gibraltar will be given back to spain it's just a matter of time 2nd spain needs to give those 2 enclaves back to morrocco so they won't look like hypocrites,3rd with the polar caps braking up, who knows if the current coastline will be around in 50 to 100 yrs
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
Why though? What would be the point of all this? Even those Spanish enclaves like being Spanish. 1 wasnt really a suggestion. I mean what exactly would giving back all these small peices of land acheive?
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
to ease tensions between england,spain,morrocco.spaniards and morroccons are very proud, to the spanish gibraltar is a sour point,think of it you look at a map of your country and there is this small bit held by another for over 300yrs same applies for morrocco.
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
to ease tensions between england,spain,morrocco.spaniards and morroccons are very proud, to the spanish gibraltar is a sour point a constant reminder that their country is not whole,think of it you look at a map of your country and there is this small bit held by another for over 300yrs same applies for morrocco.a constant national thorn on the side
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
Our people and land should not be used as bargaining chips. I highly doubt that Spain is going to invade sovereign territory of another EU nation, and i doubt Morrocco have the military power of confidence to take back the enclaves.
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
I am not talking about military power at all,don't jump to conclusions,through peacefull means well best of luck to all sides cheers and peace
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
fn - spain own a small rock opposite gibraltar called ceuta in morrocco. they are therefore hippocrites on this very issue, plus since we apply democracy as you suggest in your hawaii quote the status quo will remain for now.
england1413 3 years ago
spain should give those towns back to morrocco right away,but of course you would give gibraltar back right? I think you would not
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
democracy should apply in both instances. since gibraltarians wish to be a crown dependency at present this is how it should stay until otherwise
england1413 3 years ago
Gibraltarians won't give anything back. The people make the nation. Land does not make anyone anything.
KCKA22 3 years ago
gibraltar is not a nation,it is a colony or territory of england on spanish land that was taken by force,you need to give it back and please don't think i am biased or hate, england really is one the greatest nations ever
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
Nope, that is where you have it wrong. The first point is that the first Spanish bourbon King gave it away in perpetuity. Secondly the persons living in Gibraltar are not Spaniards, they were not colonised, Gibraltarians have a right to decide what is theirs because we have done so for longer than the USA has been a nation. How would you feel if you had to give Alaska back to the Russians. Or the USA back to Britain after all they took it by force. I rest my case amigo
KCKA22 3 years ago
1st the usa bought alaska from russia,the czar needed money we offered a sum he took it,so you have no point,the u.s. war for independence is a totally different matter of which has nothing to do with gibraltar,gibraltar was seized by the british during the spanish war of succession and spain was forced to give it up,and I never said gibraltans are spanish,my opinion is you need to give the land back,there are plenty of english living in spain just fine,
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
If anyone wishes to give Gib to the Spanish be it brit polititions european polititions or anyone one else for that matter there is one side of the equation which seems to be left out. The Gibraltarians and the British public, sovereignty of Gib is non negotiable a long as the people wish to remain British, I wish people would understand that, we are a sovereign state and the will of the people is more important than backsliding polititions, or foreign opinion. GIB is British, get used to it.
frieupfortea 3 years ago 2
so if i take your land by force it is up to the people who I give the land to, to determine what they want, yeah it makes sense like a stolen car I steal it and give it to my brother and he has the rights to the car,YEAH REAL NYCE ! ! ! ! !
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
using your logic, California should go back to Mexico, Iceland should go back to the Irish, the western Isles of Scotland inc shetland should go back to Norway, iraq should go back to Iran, catalonia should go back to France, Aquitane should go back to England, Brittany should be independant from France, Austria should go back to Germany, east prussia/pomerania etc back to germany,shleswig/holstein back to denmark, list goes on. All these examples were taken by force.
frieupfortea 3 years ago 2
yes your absolutely right we should do that,so get those people of GIBRALTAR, GIBRALTAR NEVER PART OF ENGLAND TO BEGIN WITH, SO YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT NEVER PART OF ENGLAND ! ! ! ! !
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
I never said it was part of england, what have tou got against the brits anayway, is it because of your war of independance when Britain sent armed troops against British people. btw you won that war why are you so bitter and hostile angainst the UK?
frieupfortea 3 years ago
further examples, western anatolia should go back to greece, southern spain back to arabs, mainland England including southern scotland to the welsh, ireland back to the decendants of Cruthin/picts, north africa/the levant and anatolia to the greeks, vietnam to china, border area of pakistan to afghanistan, newfoundland to norway/denmark/,cueta to morocco, egypt to the Coptics,the list can go on. all these examples were taken by force, should they all go back to the status quo before occupation?
frieupfortea 3 years ago 2
Say that to Israel. Your country was happy to do it, remember? or probably not BECAUSE >>>>>>YOU ARE NOT FROM THE USA It's obvious, your English is very poor and USA nationals are not that stupid.
missrockscorpion 3 years ago
I am from upland california,born and raised here you fcken moron oooohhh I missed a couple of words your a real clever one,hey do me a favor hold your breath for 10 minutes tosser
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
LOL!
Have you nothing better to say?
You are not from the USA its obvious,you a probably a Spaniard, and if by any remote chance you live in California, please pass on my condolences to Arnie, it must be tough sharing space with people like you!
missrockscorpion 3 years ago
coming from a brit I'll take that as a compliment,and if your only point is that I am not american you really are a pathetic person who really can't make a point.oooohhh I am not american wow you won this argument oh so clever one
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
No that is not my only comment, it is this..
if you had any fidelity to the USA you would want to keep Gibraltar British. Why? because it is the "only" true friendly port your country has in the Medand this part of the world. Gibraltar has always supported your nation at war and at peace. We let your war ships, your planes and your nuclear subs to arrive and re-supply in total confidence! No place else can you do this apart from the Britain.
So that is why matie you are not a patriot!
missrockscorpion 3 years ago
ha ha ha,no loyalty to my country stop snorting coke,where do you come up with these pathetic remarks and assumptions,you really are clueless person and as far as our ships that is totally a different issue and I do thank britain for that but my point still stands you need to give gibraltar back and spain needs to give those 2 enclaves back to morrocco they where never part of spain to begin with either
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
why the interest? so if your people can't go to Gibraltar I'm sure that they ill help them out in Algeria or Lybia. They are dying to see the yanks there!
Coke is what you seem to be on mate.
missrockscorpion 3 years ago
I am not your mate dumb ass,I have and opinion on the subject of gibraltar and I saw the video thats all
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
dumb ass? is that the way you talk to people? How polite!
By the way "mate" is an expression, in your language it could be described as "tio". if I had used the word friend then it would mean "amigo" and of course you are no friend of any friend of the USA!!!!
missrockscorpion 3 years ago
Why do we need to give them back?
Hamdaman101 3 years ago
Gibraltar British Forever!
God Save the Queen!
KCKA22 3 years ago
Gibraltarians are not entitled to anything. self determination of Gibraltarians is a fucking fake, as it is the self-determination of Basques or Catalans. Spain and the UK are the only parties to the conflict. Either Spanish or english, but never independent. Gibrsltar español.
MutiusScaevola 3 years ago
Ask the people of Hong-kong about self-determination,stupid cunt.
ViernesI3 3 years ago
Fuck the UN and their meaningless "resolutions".
After all, Saddam Hussein knew they were just a waste of paper.
blanchelincoln 3 years ago
good video mate :)
best wishes from England
keegan323f 3 years ago
I absolutly agree, dexmachine
gorilasenlaniebla 3 years ago
It has been under British protection for longer than it was ever part of spain. Perhaps thats why the people their feels more british than spanish..they are not..they are gibraltarian, very different to british and VERY different to Spanish. Who am I or anyone else not from Gibraltar to decide the governing factors for these people. This isnt about nations its about people. I say unless it is going to effect your every day life its not your decision. Viva Gibraltar.
dexmachine 3 years ago
Gibraltar is part of Spain,i dont give a shit about the feelings of the actual gibraltarians.
First of all respect the feelings and the right of self-determination of the ORIGINAL PEOPLE of gibraltar,expelled in 1704 when the rock was conquered and kept by the force.
ViernesI3 3 years ago
Self determination and democracy should be the driving forces behind issues such as these. Not which crown "owns" what. Gibralter small city full of living people continuing their lives as they have for tens of generations. It just doesnt make sence to talk about it as the "property" of spain OR the uk, or to say it "belongs to" anyone. It could have remained Spanish, it could have become portugese, it could have become a 2nd al-andalus, it could have been german, the possibilities are endless.
dexmachine 3 years ago
Many places in this world could have or should have been different. No analysis of ancient treaties or UN resolutions can really pin down what is the "correct" or "legal" thing to do about Gibraltar. No matter how small the people of that small nation have a right to determine their own future. 300 years ago when the Utrecht treaty was signed, nations only really existed and territories of different branches of royal families. We dont live in that kind of world any longer.
dexmachine 3 years ago
with hundreds of thousands of people from catalunya and Euskal Herria also being opposed to being governed by madrid, It seems odd that spain would continue to argue that Gibraltar should be spanish, when the people of Gibraltar dont feel they are spanish, they have their own history, which was connected to spain for 251 year but that was more than 300 years ago, and for the people there, spain has often been a threat more than a friend.
dexmachine 3 years ago
Gibraltar nor british and nor spanish but independent as the Pricipalty of Monaco or the Republic of San Marino, why not?
And gibraltarians, if they can usually both english and spanish have a proper language ,the Yatino.
I love very little countries.
teddythefrency 4 years ago
lolz thats great!
ukwarriorz 4 years ago
The muslims who dominated most of Spain were not from north Africa ( much later called Marocco) but from Arabia. Althoug there was a war that lasted almost 8 centuries there were many peaceful periods as well, and we did not burn down mosques. In the Middle ages the Cristian kingdoms were very tolerant and muslims and jewish were allowed to practise their religion. Actualy they took part in the parliaments and the Kings of Castile were crowned "kings of the three religions"
metabaron1969 4 years ago
No you didnt burn them down, however, you converted them into churches which is just as bad."
Spacepope3k 4 years ago
Not all were converted into churches. And what happened to all the churches from the pre-arabic era? Where are they? The vast mayority dissapeared under the arabs, like the visigothic cathedral of Toledo.
At least you still can appreciate the beauty of arabic cities as Cordoba or Granada
metabaron1969 4 years ago
There is no point yelling about what is right or wrong now. You can't go back in history and change mistakes. All we can do is ask the people who live there now who they want to be, Spanish? British? Irish? Independent? If we do not come from the territory in question it's none of our business. Would you like me to make a decision about where YOU live? Let these people decide for themselves.
dryan5 4 years ago
what you say goes historical rights and even against
present international laws. Which is stolen should be returned to the rightful propietor.
metabaron1969 4 years ago
And your lands should back to the north africans. You kicked them out of the Iberian peninsula when you had no right to do so. The spanish went through Moorish towns massacring and buringing down mosques, what if the Morocan's want their land back?
Spacepope3k 4 years ago
I see you have no idea about history:
A big part of Spain was INVADED by the arabs from the arabian peninsula. The north of Spain was never dominated by the arabs and the inhabitants of the north area started to fight and little by little RECOVER the land. So we did have a rigth to recover our own country. Actually we do not speak about "conquest" but about THE RECONQUEST
metabaron1969 4 years ago
Technically, There had always been Moors in southern spain since the end of the roman empire. The Spanish in the north is their actual land. You had no right to kick them out as the two spanish states were constantly fighting. Also the Moors were muslims from Northern africa and not arabia
Spacepope3k 4 years ago
No, At the end of the Roman Empire came the bizantines and they founded colonies in the east of the spanish coast, but not moors.
the arabic conquest of the peninsula started from Ceuta to Gibraltar ( from arabic Gig el Tarik= rock of Tarik as he was the general from ARABIA in charge of the invation)
The only tribes from Africa who came to Spain were the Almoravides(1086) and the Benimerines in the XIII century and they din not stay long
metabaron1969 4 years ago
Gibraltar is british!
Mithguard 4 years ago
its spanish you plank and ireland is ireland NOT britian you lot are robbers and devils wether it be ireland spain france argentina where ever get out and go home you gypseys nackers the scum of the world leeaching off others and robbing there land UP THE IRA INLA IPLO
kingcock69 4 years ago
is that so? then y do Gibralterians so determand to stay british? and why do 79% of Ireland support British rule? because its a great and beloved kingdom unlike spain that attacked england long ago and lost so we could begin colonising.
Mithguard 4 years ago
Spain and England haven´t been at war since XVIII century. For three centuries Spain has tried to recover Gibraltar only by peaceful ways. whereas your country betted on war in the whole world Spain betted on peace. that´s the glory of your beloved country in modern times. it took you more centuries to understand what is wrong.
metabaron1969 4 years ago
Spain is not a country worthy of guarding the entrance of the mediterranian. You can't even stop immigrants from Africa getting into your country!
Spacepope3k 4 years ago
Spain follows the rules of the UE. We treat inmigrants as persons. Spain ( christian or muslim )guards the entry of the Mediterranean since the fall of the Roman Empire. I think that should make us worthy. Don´t you think?
metabaron1969 4 years ago
Many of the Immigrants who get to France and then onto the UK come through Spain, You guys obviously not doing your job properly.
Spacepope3k 4 years ago
What are you talking about? that´s simply not true, really.The present muslims inmigrants in France or Britain came directly from their countries (previously colonies of france and Britain). They did not passed through Spain at all
metabaron1969 4 years ago 2
cutting of water power and transport peacfull but not very nice
rulebritannia1 4 years ago
well, we just fullfilled the treaty of Utrech, which Spain was obliged to sing, according to it, there should not be any acces by road to the rest of Spain. In reality having an open border is clearly against the treaty.
metabaron1969 4 years ago
i care not for transport or roads i care for the well being of the citizens of the rock which were put at risk by a hainus act of malice and childishness
rulebritannia1 4 years ago
An act of malice , childness and enmity is precisely insisting on keeping a colony in a country which is suposed to be an ally.
hidalgocastellano 4 years ago
not it is our right and gibralter is important to britian we do not keep it out of spite that is why we have downsised our bases in cyprus
rulebritannia1 4 years ago
The connections would have been established during times of war. The Spaniards must have accepted, or 0 would have been done. On Spanish side, there are a few roads between the border and the Avenida de Principe de Asturias. The combined length equals maybe
75m (or is it more?), and these were not built by the British. If a car is stuck in the border queu on the Spanish side, issue a parking ticket.
Does the Treaty tell of how the connections are to be disestablished?
pc0sence 4 years ago
¡¡GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!!
metabaron1969 4 years ago