Is "Aids" a Fraud?

[ricci1007]

In House of Numbers: Anatomy of an Epidemic, an AIDS film like no other, the HIV/AIDS story

is being rewritten. This is the first film to present the uncensored POVs of virtually all

the major players; in their own settings, in their own words. It rocks the foundation upon

which all conventional wisdom regarding ‘HIV/AIDS’ is based.

/watch?v=_p-ttLfkZHQ

[ricci1007]

Assuming 88,000 people are ''infected'' in the UK and 25% of them don't know it and assuming ''early detection'' of ''HIV'' and early ''treatment'' is crucial then how does ‘’HIV’’ theology explain why we don't see or hear about an ‘’epidemic’’ of ''AIDS'' at the very least among those 25%?

[MrBIGquestion1]

And watch " the emperors of new virus"

[MindofaJedi]

Watch House of Numbers . Today there are far more virologists who will tell you HIV does not cause AIDS than there are those that will repeat the old B.S. line . What does 9-11 have to do with this though ? Right in the Western Blot package it states "there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of antibodies toHIV-1 and HIV-2 in human blood " .

[jffryfnt]

So why did the interview get cut off? Why did you call the video 'Is "Aids" a Fraud" [sic]? Michael Ellner doesn't deny its existence. Is that really what you got out of it? (or at least, the part of the interview we were exposed to)

Is Webster Tarpley your God that you believe in faithfully? Why don't you question him?

[wildnites558]

AIDS: Total bogus fraud perpetuated by the Federal Government, Big Pharma on behalf the gay 'victims". Funny thing, you are always being brainwashed to believe that AIDS is an equal opportunity disease, yet it is the gay lobby that most strongly clammors for a "cure". Stop sticking needles in your arms, stop doing poppers and coke, and stop sticking your tongues and your d**ks in someone elses arse where much toxicity and sickness dwells and watch how fast your "AIDS" symptoms clear up.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"Is "Aids" a Fraud?" No.

"purified sample for HIV?" - "Simultaneous isolation of HIV-1 and HIV-2 from an AIDS patient." - Lancet. 1988 Dec 17;2(8625):1389-91

"solation of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) from plasma during primary HIV infection" - Journal of Medical Virology

Volume 23 Issue 1, Pages 67 - 73

"Efficient isolation of HIV from plasma during different stages of HIV infection" - Journal of Medical Virology Volume 26 Issue 1, Pages 23 - 32

[denisleary8]

hey phil do you also believe you really are a teapot as your name suggests?

[denisleary8]

where does most aids info come from anyway ?government agencies and big pharma and we know how trustworthy they are they would never lie to us

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

google...

Top Scientists Ask Medical Journal Science To Retract Original AIDS Papers

December 9, 2008

a British investigative journalist has shown that Gallo's claim was based on last-minute alterations to documents...includes a copy of Gallos handwritten changes to the article,a letter from an electron microscopy expert indicating that Gallos samples did not contain any virus,& a letter from Gallo to a researcher verifying that HIV could not be purified directly from human materials.

[ReasonOfAbortion]

The doctor who "discovered" the procedure to test for HIV's presence is Dr. Robert Gallo. He was paid over a million dollars for "discovering" the method to test for the virus. The test actually will find you "positive" if your blood contains antibodies pertaining to the virus.

Essentially, a bogus and easily faulted test is given to you. If positive, you are given prescriptions. They make money. You die.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"a bogus and easily faulted test is given to you" Really? There is only one test?

You are 25 years behind the times. Obviously you are either ignorant, a fool, or a liar.

[ReasonOfAbortion]

No no. Of course there are more and more accurate tests for HIV now. The point I was making was referencing to when the AIDS scare initially exploded.

[ccr5cxcr4]

Ah yes, in the early days it was chaos because we knew so little. I was in medical school in the mid-late 90's and it is absolutely terrifying to think how little we knew even then. Of course that was worlds better than even 10 earlier.

Today we have dozens of FDA screening and diagnostic tests. Used correctly the accuracy of diagnosis is greater than 99.9999%.

Of course that means 1 in every couple of million diagnoses we will have a false positive, but that is life.

[ReasonOfAbortion]

HIV is a real virus. AIDS is a causal body killer put into place by drugs. The end result is that you are sold a drug to "cure" you, but you'll be dead before you can react by lawsuit. A vast majority of the initial HIV tests are not even capable of proving its presence.

Furthermore, if you are going to use the term "scientific evidence" on a subject such as this, then call a person names, you need to be in an actual and capable lab seeing the reactions of RNA replications in this virus.

[paulagloria]

w/out a certificate of purified sample it is hard to call HIV real....maybe something else is...

/watch?v=Kic-UdJAgls

Healing AIDS by Healing Ignorance

[conotoxin]

Look dead_denialists on Google: It is a partial list of leading "HIV Denialists" who have died of disease consistent with AIDs. The magazine Continuum, run by HIV-positive denialists, which shut down when they died of AIDS-related causes.

AIDS is caused by HIV. The science is clear-cut, exhaustive and unambiguous, and meets the highest standards.

You can choose to accept that fact, or not. Here is your Darwin Award if you don't.

Denialists = murderers

[paulagloria]

instead of names and labels how about information? Like a certificate of purified sample for HIV? Too much science, scarecrow?

[jffryfnt]

@paulagloria Yeah this is a little outdated, but gees, Paula, you're a freaking HIV/AIDS denialist too? Boy you just have a penchant for conspiracy theories don't you? Anything and everything that is known to be true with real factual evidence, you conveniently deny, because you erroneously think that just because someone has a question about something, it deserves just as much merit as those that really freaking know what they are talking about, and ask real questions.

[paulagloria]

@jffryfnt

here is my real question to you...where is a certificate of purified sample for the so called HIV virus? All viruses have a certificate with molecular weight and an electron microscope picture

[jffryfnt]

@paulagloria Ah, so you're the goalpost setter, is that right?

As a very well seasoned biomedical researcher in infectious disease, I've never in my entire life heard of a 'certificate of purified sample'. Ever.

Hell Paula, if you feel you are so nimble in researching scientific information then what is it exactly that precludes you from doing a simple google scholar search for electron micrographs of said virus? Perhaps you should direct your cynicism elsewhere, perhaps, where it's merited.

[paulagloria]

@jffryfnt

what is going on with you these days? Feeling a little down? Global warming not keeping you busy?

[jffryfnt]

@paulagloria Oh my Paula, I've never heard you speak this way. Did I touch a nerve? Well I sincerely hope that I did, because otherwise then I'd have to question my integrity. :-) THINK.

[paulagloria]

@jffryfnt

You have most certainly heard me speak this way in the past over global warming.

What is your position on global warming these days?

[jffryfnt]

@paulagloria There's still evidence to say that we're forcing climate. That has not changed at all, in the literature. Forgive me if I don't partake in science as a spectator such as yourself, and only rely on regurgitated information, rather than seeking the information yourself. Because if you were, you wouldn't be asking me that question.

You?

[VideoGuyNC]

Is the AIDs virus real or is it actually the "treatment" drugs being given to "HIV" patients that are killing people? I have known people who were in the medical/scientiffic field for years. They were exposed to people who were "infected" with HIV, and those professionals have NEVER contracted the "virus"! It is well known however that the drugs that are given to "treat" the HIV virus are VERY harmful to the human body.

[duhjuce]

Immunizationz

[PLOCKMESH]

what is wrong with you people?

[gazz0r]

Plockmesh,

thats a good question, what is wrong with us?

if looking at some hard evidence means theres something wrong with me, i stand guilty.

If you are criticing with an informed opinion, please share it with us.

otherwise, what is wrong with YOU?

[automaticAEV]

yes the hard evidence is that there are people who have aids moron.

[philisateapot]

yeah man, i agree. obvs AIDS/HIV is real. i dont think the governments of the world would just make up a disease. it would be stupid.

[vmasterflex]

"Don't LOOSE Free Speech"

jeez

[paulagloria]

what do you think of 17:00 when Michael talks about the "trance" we are in and how easy it is to control people when you disassociate them from nature

[hivquestions]

why do all hiv tests have disclaimers on them? and what is the role of the mind in disease progression?

[Saidrick4]

It's because when the world finally realises that HIV tests are bullshit tests and CAN'T do what they claim to do and that THEY have NEVER been APPROVED by the FDA for the purposes of DIOGNOSING HIV INFECTION, it gives the manufacturers a LEGAL way out from being littigated against.

[plevyman]

It's because they aren't foolproof. The HIV virus can exist in very small quantities but still pose a grave threat to the immune system. You can be HIV positive without having AIDS, so the virus might not be apparent in sufficient quantities to be detected.

[surferray69]

prove hiv is real.Its never been seen under a microscope.how do you people who die of aids aren't dying or other forms of immune disorders and those deaths are just abeed HIV.If you don't think thats a real then you haven't studied the history of medicine.

[naturemum]

I'm not sure what I believe regarding this topic because I've done research on AIDS, the immunodeficiency virus in monkeys is where HIV was though to originate and was transmitted into humans via the Polio Vaccine (they harvest viruses used for vaccines in monkey tissues and kidneys). My only question is WHY is called IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS when ALL viruses cause a deficit in your immune system!!

[paulagloria]

be sure to note this viewer's comments:

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why do all hiv tests have disclaimers on them? and what is the role of the mind in disease progression?

[jtheis6]

please check out peter deusberg's isolation of HIV.

[paulagloria]

I have a copy of a rare book "Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS" by one of his grad students

[jes31969]

hiv/aids kills ,i have seen guy die from it , so what up? they can see your t,cells and they are die out ? so why ? it is real to me and my die friends .......

[danplasma]

gay denialist scum, inject yourself with hiv if it's not real

[paulagloria]

yeah if they could ever isolate it....

[esiosan]

it was never isolated, i has never been seen, therefore it cannot be injected.

[PLOCKMESH]

it was never isolated, i has never been seen, therefore it cannot be injected.<<

every doctor that specilizes in aids would disagree with that.

[paulagloria]

no you misunderstand...the doctor injected himself with the BLOOD of a man with the awful symptoms that were called aids

[automaticAEV]

the doctor injected himself with the BLOOD of a man with the awful symptoms that were called aids<<

whom?

[paulagloria]

now that you mention it maybe it was just with the blood of someone who was tested HIV positive....I remember he did it a few times ...Michael Ellner knows more...go to HEAL (Health Education Aids Liason)

[automaticAEV]

now that you mention it maybe it was just with the blood of someone who was tested HIV positive....<<

he mustve known the prognosis was wrong or just sterilized the blood first.

[paulagloria]

if he sterilized the blood it would have defeated the experiment

[gazz0r]

yes, it was HIV positive blood.

I think this was a sincere action;

His point was that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, and it doesnt make you sick.

[HellaLouise]

its been done many times...media covers it up

[hivquestions]

the hiv test is different in different countries, why?

[yodaazpirant]

because they are meaningless, and say so right on the boxes. the results have no conclusiveness, and HIV has never even been proven to exist, and there is no test that can find it. and AIDS can be any disease, almost...the reason 20 million people in Africa have AIDS is because Malaria is one of the diseases they call AIDS, and it only gets more bogus the more you learn.

read essay "why i quit hiv" for a good start on this.

[yodaazpirant]

a joke among some of the bio-tech people "in the know" is:

Q: How do you cure yourself of AIDS?

A: Just fly to a different country.

and it is totally true. there is no test that can find "HIV" in the body, ever. and HIV FAILS ALL OF THE KOCH'S POSTULATES FOR VIRUSES...meaning that even if HIV did exist, it sure wouldnt be called a virus by scientists.

but it does exist.

[AcePilot101]

IF THERE WAS NO FREE SPEECH YOU'D BE IN JAIL FOR READING THIS, MY FELLOW NORTH AMERICANS, FROM THE LAND OF PEACE, ORDER AND GOOD GOVT.

((Canada Conservative Party))..elect ron paul

[AcePilot101]

First case of AIDs in USA, 1969

A man from Haiti brought the disease here.

It originated in Africa, where people were infected after eating bush meat (apes)..

[paulagloria]

you believe that?

[yodaazpirant]

no. aids is a , profitable murder, mind control, and discrimination against Africans, and gays.

the "tests" don't show anything, and are interpreted BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE FROM OR YOUR SEXUAL PREFERENCE. the "test" manufacturers state that "these tests don't offer conclusive proof of....anything".

read "why i quit hiv" found online.  it was written by a researcher who finally quit, because the whole HIV/AIDS INDU$TRY is based entirely on lies. LIES.

[SuperGreek9]

Paula i like you baby, you have a very sexy voice, i almost came when you talked! the video is worthless though in solutions for aids or 'aids' if you like..

[paulagloria]

type in "nydirtyjudges" and see if you like that theory...I'm thinking of having a panel discussion with different viewpoints

[ildottoreverde]

I think what we should actually talking about is this: Can you recommend me some vitamins to fight my immune deficiency now that I know AZT has brought down the Twin Towers to cover up the Chinese Moon Landing (and killed my cat, but I try not to make this personal)?

[paulagloria]

whatever turns you on

[ildottoreverde]

Why do you people always blame rabbits? They're cute, you're just mean.

[paulagloria]

mean? why would I blame rabbits who I honor as non herd animals (don't stampede off cliffs like many of us...AND they reproduce quickly just like truth can.

[last9X]

after watching "The Other Side of AIDS" and "Deconstructing AIDS" at google video, there is considerable reasonable doubt ......

[max6669]

I feel the same way about this issue of AIDS.

[NOHIVAIDSLIES]

As am02ph claims, the Ameican government would never "attack its own people" Really? Obviously he has never seen Operation Northwoods, the USS Liberty, or any 911 Truth information. The US government attacks its citizens to make money and control people all the time. HIV=AIDS is a fraud, like 911 "terrorists"

[paulagloria]

not to "make a point" to make a profit and they have. the scientists and doctors are beholden to the same special interests that the politicans are. the proof here is the healing and not the killing of people. Michael Ellner has taken people who would have died to health all by dehypnotising them. so you see the healing has already been done. SEX DOES NOT KILL

[Tafferling]

Dehipnotization! So simple!

Then why hasn't this yet been discovered and made public?

If it was all a USA lie, how come that there are people dying in Italy? Oh, but maybe ALL of our scientist searching for a solution are under the same conspiration too!

And how comes that the majority of the death toll is african?Is Africa so important to the conspirationists? Lotsa profit to be made there I guess.

You are fucking arrogant.You think that all the world revolves around the USA

[paulagloria]

that fact that it DOESN'T is the real hope. thanks for tuning in

[Tafferling]

I like your optimism, but hey, AIDS is around from like fifty years?

If it was a fraud it would have been discovered long ago by some SERIOUS scientists, not some hypnotist.

And casual regressions of the virus do happen, but has nothing to do with taking\not taking the prescribed medicines or being de-hypnotized...

Even cancers can do such thing if left untreated, but is a 0,01% probability... I wouldn't count on it.

[paulagloria]

what do you count on? if a deadly virus WAS created in a lab one is a victim and if one thinks that the most official version is correct STILL one is a victim. hard way to really heal don't u think

[Tafferling]

And how's a charlatan with a goofy robe going to protect you from a lab created virus?

[paulagloria]

@Tafferling Do you ean rajnesh, the sex guru? I agree when I went to Pune India to their flagship ashram I was horrified at the lack of scientific critical thinking on this issue (but that is another vid (what did rajnesh, osho) think about AIDS? Michael Ellner BTW gave Osho advice and he was indeed terrified about AIDS. I thought he might have been a gov assest but hey I guess just a dumb guru

[Tafferling]

I don't know anyone of these...

I do think that oriental practices are almost magic when it comes to relax, meditation and pain suppression.

Like those bonzi who lighted themselves on fire during the vietnam war... They resisted pain in a superhuman way, but they all died at the end.

Now, I've got no qualms with a man who teaches to endure the pain of latter stages of AIDS, making it more bearable, but a man who claims to "cure" AIDS with some tricks is a charlatan.

[paulagloria]

please tell me exactally who you are talking about and when this could be an interesting discussion

[Tafferling]

You fail at english.

Your last post was garbled, and the one before that... oh, the horror!

[paulagloria]

I meant then not when...I'm answering many of these a day. Out of the 1,000 to 3,000 hits a day that I get I try to answer those who are good enough to leave a comment. Only with the comments can we start the empowerment of the masses.

Now are you ready to start a serious discussion?

[frnnk]

Do you think its true that not only do we not know what aids is, or what it looks like, but whether or not it even exists. is it possible that the real killer aruond the globe is not aids, per se, but the drugs used to "combat" it, which are in actuality live cancer viruses?

[paulagloria]

I think that is closer to the truth but this rabbit hole gets reall deep! For sure be careful about drugs to "help" you. I do not think the very great majority of heath care people are in a conspiracy but I do think the vast majority have a shallow understanding of health, true good health. so it is up to us to take care of ourselves, watch our habits, emotions, diet and sleep...

[frnnk]

true. but i am pretty sure that most of them ARE indeed wrapped in the conspiracy of the knowledge that most of these drugs are harming the people but that they really need the money and those people weren't worth much anyways. I'm just intrigued at the true cause behind racism. And why is it that the global elite are so drawn to bash Africans every time they get a chance? its strange. but yes, i have enough documented "curiosities" to sink the gov't. lol

[djjimi]

Ummm... the world doesn't revolve around the USA - it revolves around the rich. Google "The Georgia Guidestones". This is a monument erected in the US by a yet unidentified group. It describes a utopian earth where only 500 million are allowed to live. The extermination has already begun.

[yodaazpirant]

no Sex does not kill, but AZT does, and the rest of the "medicine" that assholes like Bill Gates and Bono and Pres. Bush are trying to force down the throats of Africans.

HIV/AIDS is one of the biggest shams and attacks on the human race ever. it is terrorism, pure and simple, by in part the Pharmaceutical companies, but also there are more sinister forces at work here..

read "why i quit hiv" it will tell you the story real quick

[am03ph]

How dumb can you be to think that the American government would attack its own people just to "make a point"..then another dumbass came up talking garbage about HIV...ofcourse he knows better than all the Scientists and the doctors who dedicated their lives to studying the virus and the disease it causes. A bunch of hippies talking hippie garbage. What a load of crap!

HIV kills and SEX KILLS..until people get that, there is no "healing" for this world.

[jazzyjonty]

you would think this is a useful AIDS dissident documentary but it's just a couple of folk waffling in platitudes about yoga and being healthy, yawn - watch the Scovil Documentary instead

[paulagloria]

if you could be more specific about the platitudes I could answer and would be happy to.  How did Jesus do his work? Whatever was the mechanism His work was addressed more by Michael Ellner's style than all this AIDS hoopla when people don't really care but are just afraid and want to push these problems away. these people suffering from bad health policy and knowledge are real people. Jesus really connected with those who are suffering and so does Micael.

[gedmaximum]

is that documentary on youtube? i could not find it

[fatuesque]

Boring and pointless.