The perfect propaganda piece just like the Communist Manifesto, sadly lacking in touch with economic reality. The video fails to mention every unionized industry is in major decline: railways, automotive, schools, etc.
Unions keeps workers on livable wages, and most of the people in the middle class are unionized workers. for the past 50 years, coorporations have been trying to kill the middle class, and make everyone work for minimum wage, and like in high rises. Unions are the lifeblood of the american economy.
@hello2249 What percentage of the US workforce belongs to a union? What percentage of the "middle class" belongs to a union? What is the definition of middle class?
@douglasskinner Only 12% of the workforce is unionized today. Middle class is being able to afford a decent home, have some money in savings, and send your kids to college. Without trade unions these things would not be possible for the average working American.
GEE I wonder if all the solar panel companies that are out of business were union? It's so amazing that the wizards of stupid couldn't compete with the chinese who pay $2 / hr for labor.
@1965ace So that must mean everyone in this country should work for $2 an hour??????
By the way the right of a worker to join a union is a constitutional right, just like free speech and the right to own a gun. You can't pick and choose what parts of the constitution you like and discard the rest.
@dbistrumalot Just pointing out the idocracy of the government thinking solar panel companies here would be a good idea. I'm not against the workers forming unions but union shops forcing workers to join should be illegal, as should public sector unions extorting the public for more money and benefits. I believe corporations are made of people who should be protected from outrageous harassment from greedy self serving unions and that is a guarantee of the Constitution.
@1965ace Then that would be the company's fault not the workers. Union contracts generally run for three years and companies base their bids on the set wages. The union just doesn't decide in the middle of the contract we want more. It doesn't work that way and if employees are not getting enough done they will soon be out of a job with no grievance process. get your facts straight before slamming union members asshole
@dbistrumalot Really ???? You can't be that dumb. GM needed a bailout because they couldn't compete with their $75 / hr union bolt turners. I wish they would have gone bankrupt , reorganized, dump union contracts then come out leaner and more competitive, instead of having the government steal money from the public and stockholders to bail out a failing model.
@1965ace I don't work for GM. I was referring to the union contracts for the CONSTRUCTION trade that I am in. The wage rates are arrived upon through the collective bargaining process. Do you need an explanation of what that is ?????
@dbistrumalot I really don't like unions but like anything, moderation (no pun intended) is key to keeping any power from being corrupted. I see the unions in this country as totally corrupt with power and influence , maybe yours is the exception.
@dbistrumalot I work in the sheet metal /HVAC trade and to think that a UNION HVAC mechanic earns $44/hour! How the fuck can small companies survive??? Like I stated before , Unionized labor was needed because of the lack of state and federal government over seeing the conditions of the work place but now UNIONS have become a CORPORATION THEMSELVES!
@mess9u2 The $44 per hour includes fringe benefits. Such as health care and pension. They don't earn $44 on their check, it's actually closer to $32 per hour at least in my state.
Private sectors Unions are accountable to the free market, so I support private sector negotiations. Public sector unions aren't negotiating against a rich "fat cat", they're negotiating against the taxpayer, whose only voice is a corrupt politician who is paid for by the public sector union. Public sector unions are a cartel, just like mega-corporations are. I use to be a member of one ;)
I drive a truck for a NONUNION company. I get good pay, 4 weeks vacation, 401k that the company contributes, medical for me, my wife, and all my kids, paid sick leave, and dental insurance. This is more propaganda because the unions are dying off. The union has become just another corperation/political machine.
@Wideglid80 The truth is union members DO live better, if you don't like it then don't join one but don't slam those of us who choose to live as good as we can.
First of all, this video cannot be truer.. When I worked for a union I made so much more money, had better benefits and better work rules than I do now. Where do you think vacation, the coffee break, child labor laws, sick days etc. came from? UNIONS YOU IDIOTS! Wake up. Go to a so called "right to work state" and you will make peanuts compared to a union state. It's a proven fact. So get off your soap boxes already and stop pretending you're a Koch brother when you're really a nobody.
@NewWorldAhead The problem with unions is they only work in a national economy. Unions proved their strenght in the private economy but once globalization became viable they ultimately ate their own children. They must become part of the government or theyll lose all the jobs to China and SEA.
@BDBK666 There is no way to send construction jobs to China and it's an ad about a CONSTRUCTION union so unfortunately you are full of shit on the send the jobs to China mantra
@dbistrumalot You need a REASON to CONSTRUCT things. I'm talking about all unions and regulations, making it cost more to do anything here, therefore sending jobs to China, giving them a reason to build, while killing our construction industry (among others) at the same time.
@BDBK666 That's funny the construction company I work for just built a large facility for a company from Italy that is moving it's production here. Explain that one.
@BDBK666 Don't blame the workers for the high costs. There are plenty of architects, project managers,and state and local officials who also get their piece of the pie. There is also OSHA, workman's comp, and unemployment compensation. None of these are the fault of the worker but are part of a larger problem which is overregulation
@dbistrumalot I did not blame the worker, I said Unions and regulation is the problem. That would include all those you listed and more. Architects and project managers are workers too by the way. Unions artificially drive labor prices up and screw employers. You are paid more for less work. Obviously nobody wants kids to work 12 hrs a day, so there is some good unions have done, but these days, they are killing our country. You should be paid what you're worth based on what you do.
@BDBK666 In the construction industry we are payed based on what we can do. that's why we go through four and a half years of training at a lower wage rate to acquire the skills and knowledge needed for the job. Also lazy workers in my trade (carpentry) typically don't last long. The company will get rid of them and find someone else. i've seen it happen. it is true that some workers have a job because they have a relative in the office but that could happen in any industry.
@BDBK666 I was doing the same exact job and the same amount of work non-union. Why wouldn't I go for the higher pay and better benefits?? That's just human nature
@dbistrumalot That is why I have no problem with workers, but unions. Obviously if someone will guarantee you a much bigger check, even when you don't work, why wouldn't you go. The unions force workers to go to them, and they force companies to pay way more than they should, therefore forcing all of us to pay more for everything. You would be stupid not to go, but what makes you any better than those "greedy rich guys"?
@BDBK666 The problem with that theory is I DO have to work. I have to be productive or they will look for someone else to replace me. Higher wages don't always equal more laziness at least not in my occupation.
@dbistrumalot Yes, when 12% forces the rest of us to bail out the companies you force to fail, you are killing the economy. Don't forget, Public unions are 10 times worse, and they help too, and are bigger.
@BDBK666 Bullshit, on the one hand you say unions are dying on the other hand your saying the small percentage of companies that remain union are killing the economy. if that were true when union membership was high (50's and 60's) it would have hurt the economy but it didn't it was actually a time of massive economic growth.
@dbistrumalot Eventually employers won't be able to pay for people who no longer work for them, and fail...oh wait...GM already happened. This forced EVERYONE ELSE to pay for their shit union pensions and benefits that GM couldn't afford, but was forced to pay thanks to unions. Soon enough others will follow. What good is that for workers. Do you think company's should be able to move their company to a different state? Do you think employers should have rights too?
@BDBK666 In my industry the employers have most of the rights. The only rights I have are a set rate of pay and benefits when they have work for me. They can terminate me at any time for any reason.
@dbistrumalot As far as that Italian company, that depends on what they produce. Some things are still better to make here than China. I produce gloves in my business, and China's most expensive manufacturer was less than half the price including shipping to make and ship my product to me, than the cheapest bid from any American company, who is 2 miles down the street. Explain that one.
@BDBK666 What does it matter what they produce??? The fact is they chose to build one of their facilities' here and they built it with union labor. So that shoots a hole in your theory that all jobs go to China because of unions, it's bullshit.
@dbistrumalot Take a class in reading comprehension. I said "all you do is force companies to send jobs to China", That is very far from "All jobs go to china because of unions". We still make things here China doesn't yet. That is changing fast, so just keep demanding your outrageously high wage, and driving prices up, so people like me can't make a dollar without sending my work to China.
@BDBK666 Take a class in economics. When people make decent wages they buy stuff. New cars, tools for their trade, gas to get to work and they eat at restaurants on the weekend. All these things create opportunities for other workers.
End up in a union by compulsory means, then learn what it is - to be sent to Hell..this is BS. That extra negotiated money goes to 40oz beers, pot and monster mud tires on pick-up trucks.
"this guy" (non union) can't make a dollar because unions lobby laws to sustain themselves and crowd out everyone else. Unions muscle the rest of us out of bidding on contracts. Unions are like the mob.
@dbistrumalot fat-assed, nipple-addicted union gangsters like yourself bleed companies dry. Soon there will be no more nipple, and you'll be crying. lol
@spankula123 I'll stick with the union and my good wages and benefits. It's guys like you that cry because you are at the mercy of employers with no voice other than yourself. By the way I weigh 170, not exactly fat-assed, in fact there are few fat-assed carpenters due to the fact that we have to bust ass for our higher wages. Get it??????
@dbistrumalot While I'm working 17 hours to get a job done, you're taking a shit on the job before your union smoke break. While I'm driving all over the city to find the right tool to do a job, you're on your afternoon union break. When I show up to a location and they say I have to hire a fat lazy union ass to sit by some door because some contract stipulates only they can open it, I'll think of you.
@spankula123 I don't know what state your from but there are no such rules like that where I'm from. Plus I don't smoke never have and take only the breaks that the contracts states I get. 9:30 am (ten minutes) and 12:00 PM for lunch. Stop all the whining and hostility. If you feel like working 17 hours a day( which I don't how that's possible) go right ahead. I'll be as productive as possible for eight hours and then go home. because if I'm not productive I'll be out of a job. Get it??????
Overlay a map of right to work states and a map of internal migration in the last 10 years. They match up very well, and people are fleeing the heavily unionized states. Coincidence perhaps?
@cdoftx You are exactly right. There are SO MANY Michigan liscence plates here in Texas it's crazy. Last year when Texas and Detroit were playing in the Baseball playoffs you saw more Detroit fans than Texas fans. It is crazy.
Making life better for working Americans, by destroying the free market with our communistic control of certain areas such as New York and stopping non union workers from being allowed to work by having our friends in the mob kill them.
@d3ltadrive If they want decent wages and a good benefit package they will join. it's funny but i know many carpenters who owned their own business and ended up joining the union, Why??? because they like the pay, security and benefits.
@d3ltadrive No. We provide socialistic bailouts to the 1% and the government gives welfare checks in the form of tax rebates to corporations like Wells Fargo and GE.
Several things converted me against today's unions but the one that is the most vivid was when I once applied for unemployment. On the application form was the question "Do you have permission from your union to look for work in the ____ area?" I was astonished because I thought I was a free man and could live and work where I wanted. Apparently not so from the union perspective. To be a free man one must be able to take one's skills and seek opportunities where he can find them.
@douglasskinner Your not being completely truthful. I'm in a union and the question on the unemployment application reads. Are you a member in good standing??? All that does is waive your work search meaning the union is supposed to find your work for you. I'm in the carpenter's union and we are allowed to look for our own work.
@dbistrumalot No I am stating it as it was worded, in the state of Virginia in 1994, it actually asked if I had permission from my union to look for work in my area. Now maybe it meant what you mean. Maybe the the wording is different in your area.
@douglasskinner u can with the union... u can look for work anywhere, all u have to do is transfer cards... i can solicit my work at any time... laid off or not... or have the hall do the work for u in finding another job
@ShyBoy13 Part of the reason you can transfer is because in America the unions do not have a monopoly on labor but if they did, you might find it a little more difficult to transfer.
Seriously those are the best criticisms you have? How some unions limit work and myths about union mobs?
Unions are one step closer to workers controlling their own workplaces instead of managers. Managers aren't the ones making steel or programming software it's the workers' labor and they ought to control it.
Freedom is doing or making something and having control over it, not unaccountable managers and bureaucrats.
@AndroidPolitician It's not the only criticism. But the issue of being able to look for work on one's own terms with or without representation strikes at a core freedom, I think. For those who want represenation, let them have it; but some unions insist that if I want to work in certain lines of work I must work though them. The whole dichotomy of workers and managers is invidious; we all work, both managers and "workers".
Well sure but there's a huge difference in who produces the labor, the workers are the ones that produce X and management is there essentially to control them. You can't have freedom when the product of your labor is being controlled by management as well as your compensation etc. it's the laborers whose labor it belongs to.
Unions aren't perfect but they're one step closer to workers controlling thier own labor and any representation is closer than none.
Proud to be a UNION SHEET METAL WORKER LOCAL 105... since when do scabs work everday out if the year? I worked non union and had weeks when i didnt work a day.... the day i joined UNION, i havent been laid off... its a shame to see my fellow UNION brothers sit the bench when these scab ass contractors hire illegals paying them under the table... u need an american citizenship or green card to work UNION... reason y we make so much is because of our schooling and on site training ... FUCK SCABS
@ShyBoy13 Your use of the word scab is precisely why so many oppose unionism. Suppose I'm a "scab" with skills comparable to your own and I defy your notion of what is fair and go to work while you're sitting in a beer chair yelling obsinities at management. Do you say "f**k you scab" and bash my head in? From the way you write, I would guess so. I agree with your concern about hiring illegals. But the unions support political candidates (like Obama) who support illegal immigration.
@douglasskinner If you are as talented as you say then you are selling yourself short by not joining the union in order to get top dollar for your labor. Union always pays you what you are worth if it didn't there would be no need for unions
@dbistrumalot If you're as talented as you think you are, you'd have no problem selling your services at a fair rate. Instead, you extort money from business through union intimidation and harassment. You're not being paid what you're worth, your paid what you can bully out of people.
Unions served a purpose long ago when workers couldn't read or write. Today, unions serve no purpose and would be abolished if it weren't for politicians that need union votes to get elected.
@vidiot32224 The rate I do make is fair and i don't bully anybody I merely work under the terms of the contract that was NEGOTIATED by my union. With no union there would be no decent wages, pensions or good health insurance. The company I work for chose to be a union company and it's field employees chose to be union members, either party is free to leave that arrangement at any time for any reason. There is no extortion only a collective bargaining process that makes things fair for both.
@fargonbastedge No shit Sherlock. I don't write union contracts I simply work under the terms of them. I have to be productive on the job site otherwise I'll be out of a job. Also it's very difficult to outsource the construction of a building
@fargonbastedge There is nothing unfair about a union shop. They chose to be part of the union and the workers decided to be union members. Contracts are arrived upon through a negotiating process, the union can't ask for more than the companies are willing to pay and the company can't decide to pay to little. that's why they call it COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
@dbistrumalot If given the opportunity to work for a union getting paid 10% more for the same job. I would not do it. I dont like how they do business.
But at-least your honest. Some people just make up a bunch of BS to justify it.
@fargonbastedge Believe me The construction trades have taken a beating by the economy over the last few years. I'm not opposed to working non union but I have a lot of time invested in the unions pension plan. if i leave now I won't get much when i retire
@dbistrumalot true, but have you ever thought that because of the union. Your construction company could go out of business. Because the construction company is dishing out so much to the union, your pension plan, etc.
@fargonbastedge They do dish out a lot but a lot is expected out of us as tradespeople. The company has been in business for a very long time and as far as I know the owners are VERY well off. In fact right now the main owner is down in Florida at his winter house instead of freezing his ass off in Wisconsin. More power to him!!!!!!!
1. The unions give there money to the democrat party so they can increase pro-union laws. Its like cycle. Tough shit if your not a democrat. Your hard earn money is going to them anyways.
2. It prevents business from hiring and expanding
3. Unions dont produce a product or service, but yet they dictate policy for the company as if there opinion even matter.
@fargonbastedge While what you're saying may me true in most cases I feel it's in my best interests to remain a union member. That may change in the future though if I have two more lousy years like the last two. When there is construction work companies do have to hire and if they are a union shop ,well, you know who they'll hire. Anything you are saying that you feel is unfair could be said about many corporations, such as GE who just about pay no corporate taxes
@dbistrumalot Sure, no problem. I respect you for what your saying. Many union members know about what they do and lie to try to justify it... but at-least you said that its in your best interest.
Apparently you missed my earlier post here it is one last time. Every company can choose to be union or not. Every employee can choose to be a union member or not. Either party is free to leave that arrangement at any time for any reason. What don't you get. If you hate unions then don't be a union company. If i hated unions I wouldn't be a member.
@dbistrumalot Every company can choose to be union or not. This is simply not true. Look dude I dont care what you do. do as you wish I own my own business and make a nice living. My non union workers are some of the best. They dont need a shake down in order to get respect.
@Galtline14 I personally don't care if you want to be union or non union. I have worked for both and union pays better for doing the same exact type of work. As long as you are paying your guys market rates for their work i don't care. By the way the going rate for a skilled journeyman carpenter is $ 33.43 per hour.
By the way, most workers have the same rights to VOTE-NO UNION in a Union company too! What comes around goes around! POWER TO THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OF AMERICA!
Unions call private workers scabs but when they sit on the bench and see private workers work every day of the year, what the fuck are you? A scab! A union worker sucks more unemployment than a vacuum cleaner sucks up dirt!
No organized group has the right to dictate to any business rules and regulations. I have been in business for many years and I can tell you that private business looks the same at all unions, the destroyers of our free market. We have closed plants down due to our labor force that wanted to vote the union in our plant. fuck the union and all the lazy Americans who work under a union. The union is the 1 reason California is Bankrupt.
@ShyBoy13 Well you rationalize like a union worker. Hey I have a guy names Jose who is from Mexico. He is one of the greatest sheet metal workers I have ever seen and he is a about a 1/4 of what your dumb ass costs. All unions can go to hell.
@Galtline14 well to respond to the comment that u deleted, u fucking pussy ass scab... what do u mean get a real job? What is a real job to u? Like i said im a skilled crafstman... and my work shows it... lol @ be a real man... i take care of my family, this job treats me right do the misses can stay home with the kid... fuck off and die somewhere
@ShyBoy13 Do you think any company wants the Union voted in ? Hell No why should you get paid more than the free market. The Unions are destroying the Country from within, but I guess the Union never educated on that one. The only reason you get paid more is because the Union does back door dealings with Politicians and it uses force to make a company sacrifice itself to the union. You, Obama, and all the other union members go to hell.Unions are AntiAmerican. Get to work you are wasting money.
@Galtline14 12% of the workforce is just destroying the economy?? Reallly???? Unions are actually 100% American if you don't like it go to Europe. oh wait their unionized too.
@Galtline14 Yes it has gone done along with wage rates and standards of living. Also healthcare costs have skyrocketed in direct correlation with a drop in union membership. So guess what the unions that have survived are the trade unions mostly which are vital to this country
Shemale is that what you call the rest of the non union work force, Scabs. You remind me of the union worker that I punched in Vegas. He never saw it coming and when he did it was too late. I smashed his union face with my Hard working Fist. The guy tried to argue with me when I told him that the union was for pussies. As usual the union member that he was tough with his mob mentality. Not so in this case, it was one of the happiest days of my life. He hit the ground like a slab of meat.
@ShyBoy13 I would never join the union. I know many Union workers who hate the union. If you had balls you would go into the real world and get paid the American Way. By hard work and sweat. Union workers are the biggest loads in the work force. I have never met a union worker that does more work than non union workers. Your guys are the women of the bunch.
@Galtline14 Don't lump ALL union workers in that category. I've worked non union and union construction jobs and the union contractors demand a lot more out of their workers. like you can't show up stoned or drunk for work like the non union guys and you are expected to work safely and in a timely manner . Piss off because you don't know me or any of my friends and relatives many of which are in trade unions
@dbistrumalot Go start a business and than open the doors to the Union. Than tell me if you are happy. You have no idea what you are talking about or how Unions cripple the American Economy. The union has destroyed the schooling system in this country.
@Galtline14 Here's where you are full of shit, ready????? The company I work for agreed of their own volition to be a union shop. I decided on my own ( no coercion) to be a union member. They are free to become a non union shop at any time and I am free to leave the union at any time. Is that simple enough for you??????
@Galtline14 If he's that good he would and should demand more money and guess what the non union company is going to tell him to piss off . So eventually anyone who wants adequate compensation for their skills will join a union. If you don't like it then that's YOUR problem.
@Galtline14 Then he's working for $ 8 an hour??? Really??? Now we know you are full of shit. Your comments lack any factual proof or coherent thought. Stop the hate and the jealousy, we are all trying to survive some of us prefer to survive better
@dbistrumalot Your survive from stealing from the hard working. If you have the balls go start a business and than let the union take over you business. You are a fool in union clothing.
@dbistrumalot I have workers from over the boarder who work harder than any union worker I have managed. fuck the union. A Bunch of hill billy bastards looking for a handout. You are no different than the lazy blacks on every street corner. at least they call a spade a spade SIr.
OBAMA ANOTHER FOUR AND WE CHANGE OUR FLAG, instead of 50 stars, replace it with an emblem of THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA! I want to thank all unions for sending work to NAFTA, you voted BILL CLINTON, right?
Unions are thugs and they are not needed in the USA. Union Workers should be ashamed of being apart of such a looter organization. Go get a real job and stand on your own two feet and negotiate your own pay. Don't let it be done by force. Besides the unions were shrinking before this arse took office.
@Galtline14 what's wrong rat, u too stupid to pass a test to become part of the union? Im fine with my $45 an hour, my excellent medical and dental insurance, my pension, and my 401a... i dont need to work for a non signatory contractor that doesnt even offer most of what im getting from my union... not to mention i work for the 2nd largest mechanical contractor in the west coast and the 3rd largest in the US all union! So fuck off scab... IM A UNION THUG AND PROUD OF IT
@ShyBoy13 And people wonder why there is 12 percent unemployment and why all of our jobs have left for China. Well here is your answer . Its people like this who have been brain washed that they are worth more than they actually are. If you want to see something funny watch this clown try get a 45 per hour job on his own ability rather than have the thugs do it for him. That will be a laugh. Its this thinking that is destroying America. People like this don't even understand how business works.
@Galtline14 im part of the UA... i never have to worry about my job going to china... but i do have to worry about some lousy ass scab taking my job because they underbid by 50,000 dollars... the fuck out of here... i can easily work for a scab outfit and make %57 sn hour but not have job security, health insuranve mr
@ShyBoy13 Trust me the reckoning is coming and yes you will have to worry about your over paid position. Its coming sooner than you think. Better start saving.
@Galtline14 ignore that, im on my phone and it posted when i wasnt finished... u have no clue what unions r all about... u think all unions r the same? U only believe what u hear in the media
@jwperry ...and who is OBAMAS' PUPPET MASTERS! Of course, the UNIONS WHO CONTROL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WITH THEIR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BRIBES AND PAY-OFFS, face facts ,all politicians pit non-union against union to get a vote and that is a proven FACT! I do not disagree with a worker who is subjected to an hostile work atmosphere and wants union to represent but what about us who reject the union?
if unions are a corporation. why is it ok for all the other corporations to receive bailouts and welfare and lobby for their own self-interest but not the so called union "corporation". makes no sense arguing against yourself and only proving my point. as long as corporations have special bargaining/lobbying power SO SHOULD UNIONS!!!!
@jwperry Why fuck with me as a non-union worker? I am a fucking American citizen, pay taxes,"WAY TOO HIGH", work 5 days per week and my blood bleeds red too, what color does a union workers'? Unions were organized in the day when GOVERNMENT/STATE did not oversee the work place but today we have OSHA so now the UNION LEADERS fall into a category of bribing politicians and demanding payoffs from non-union companies so as not to harass them on a job with union workers, what is this?
@mess9u2 this is america. thats how shit works. you take an overly simplistic view of unions and the government. you remind me of the rednecks i have to deal with. i think all would prefer the govt get their hands out of everything but UNTIL THEY DO you have no argument against unions.
@jwperry Tell your UNION LEADERS who for your information go DEMOCRAT everytime to do the same! I cannot support a government who does not represent me because my vote as well as yours does't count! This is America and we are over taxed and underpayed since when did one of our politicians take a pay cut? They ask UNION workers' as well as non too!
@jwperry Good, now lets get common ground as workers' in America! We, Union as Private workers' must UNITE in the face of the real threat, the real culprits who have created the economic demise in this once great nation of ours! Our so called leaders will always pit UNION BROTHERS against NON-UNION to get elected! I do not hate Union but my belief is that the State is trying to suffocate the rights of all Americans, the right to organize and not! In my view we WORKERS OF AMERICA, UNITE!
It seems the assholes against unions are jealous little bitches that don't want to work...fuck off
frfproductionINC666 1 day ago
The perfect propaganda piece just like the Communist Manifesto, sadly lacking in touch with economic reality. The video fails to mention every unionized industry is in major decline: railways, automotive, schools, etc.
studolf 2 days ago
Unions keeps workers on livable wages, and most of the people in the middle class are unionized workers. for the past 50 years, coorporations have been trying to kill the middle class, and make everyone work for minimum wage, and like in high rises. Unions are the lifeblood of the american economy.
hello2249 3 days ago
@hello2249 What percentage of the US workforce belongs to a union? What percentage of the "middle class" belongs to a union? What is the definition of middle class?
douglasskinner 2 days ago
@douglasskinner Only 12% of the workforce is unionized today. Middle class is being able to afford a decent home, have some money in savings, and send your kids to college. Without trade unions these things would not be possible for the average working American.
dbistrumalot 2 days ago
All UNIONS ARE CORRUPT AND THREATEN PRIVATE ENTERPRISE!
mess9u2 3 days ago
GEE I wonder if all the solar panel companies that are out of business were union? It's so amazing that the wizards of stupid couldn't compete with the chinese who pay $2 / hr for labor.
1965ace 5 days ago
@1965ace So that must mean everyone in this country should work for $2 an hour??????
By the way the right of a worker to join a union is a constitutional right, just like free speech and the right to own a gun. You can't pick and choose what parts of the constitution you like and discard the rest.
dbistrumalot 4 days ago
@dbistrumalot Just pointing out the idocracy of the government thinking solar panel companies here would be a good idea. I'm not against the workers forming unions but union shops forcing workers to join should be illegal, as should public sector unions extorting the public for more money and benefits. I believe corporations are made of people who should be protected from outrageous harassment from greedy self serving unions and that is a guarantee of the Constitution.
1965ace 4 days ago
This guy's company went out of business because it wasn't competitive because the union demanded too much. END OF STORY.
1965ace 5 days ago
@1965ace Then that would be the company's fault not the workers. Union contracts generally run for three years and companies base their bids on the set wages. The union just doesn't decide in the middle of the contract we want more. It doesn't work that way and if employees are not getting enough done they will soon be out of a job with no grievance process. get your facts straight before slamming union members asshole
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@dbistrumalot Really ???? You can't be that dumb. GM needed a bailout because they couldn't compete with their $75 / hr union bolt turners. I wish they would have gone bankrupt , reorganized, dump union contracts then come out leaner and more competitive, instead of having the government steal money from the public and stockholders to bail out a failing model.
1965ace 5 days ago
@1965ace I don't work for GM. I was referring to the union contracts for the CONSTRUCTION trade that I am in. The wage rates are arrived upon through the collective bargaining process. Do you need an explanation of what that is ?????
dbistrumalot 4 days ago
@dbistrumalot I really don't like unions but like anything, moderation (no pun intended) is key to keeping any power from being corrupted. I see the unions in this country as totally corrupt with power and influence , maybe yours is the exception.
1965ace 4 days ago
@dbistrumalot I work in the sheet metal /HVAC trade and to think that a UNION HVAC mechanic earns $44/hour! How the fuck can small companies survive??? Like I stated before , Unionized labor was needed because of the lack of state and federal government over seeing the conditions of the work place but now UNIONS have become a CORPORATION THEMSELVES!
mess9u2 3 days ago
@mess9u2 The $44 per hour includes fringe benefits. Such as health care and pension. They don't earn $44 on their check, it's actually closer to $32 per hour at least in my state.
dbistrumalot 3 days ago
Private sectors Unions are accountable to the free market, so I support private sector negotiations. Public sector unions aren't negotiating against a rich "fat cat", they're negotiating against the taxpayer, whose only voice is a corrupt politician who is paid for by the public sector union. Public sector unions are a cartel, just like mega-corporations are. I use to be a member of one ;)
TheBalancedAmerican 5 days ago
I drive a truck for a NONUNION company. I get good pay, 4 weeks vacation, 401k that the company contributes, medical for me, my wife, and all my kids, paid sick leave, and dental insurance. This is more propaganda because the unions are dying off. The union has become just another corperation/political machine.
bigdickstraightguy 5 days ago
This is typical bullshit union rhetoric! Not based on fact or real figures, just the same old tired live better work union garbage!
Wideglid80 6 days ago
@Wideglid80 The truth is union members DO live better, if you don't like it then don't join one but don't slam those of us who choose to live as good as we can.
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
This video is completely back ass backwards. Is almost too funny
032490mf 6 days ago
First of all, this video cannot be truer.. When I worked for a union I made so much more money, had better benefits and better work rules than I do now. Where do you think vacation, the coffee break, child labor laws, sick days etc. came from? UNIONS YOU IDIOTS! Wake up. Go to a so called "right to work state" and you will make peanuts compared to a union state. It's a proven fact. So get off your soap boxes already and stop pretending you're a Koch brother when you're really a nobody.
NewWorldAhead 6 days ago 5
@NewWorldAhead Do you think that "free" stuff is just magically paid for?
BDBK666 6 days ago
@NewWorldAhead You are a retarded dumb fuck eh! Detroit being a good example of your union way of life
032490mf 6 days ago
@NewWorldAhead Its good not to have competition, if your the one on top...
heavym3tal 2 days ago
@NewWorldAhead The problem with unions is they only work in a national economy. Unions proved their strenght in the private economy but once globalization became viable they ultimately ate their own children. They must become part of the government or theyll lose all the jobs to China and SEA.
Seaworldexists 1 day ago
nice add,if you dont ask yourself ...."who is paying for all this?" and "what are the consequences?"
Hoschi0913 1 week ago
Fuck your shit union. You are ruining the United States, and all you do is force companies to send jobs to China.
BDBK666 1 week ago
@BDBK666 There is no way to send construction jobs to China and it's an ad about a CONSTRUCTION union so unfortunately you are full of shit on the send the jobs to China mantra
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot You need a REASON to CONSTRUCT things. I'm talking about all unions and regulations, making it cost more to do anything here, therefore sending jobs to China, giving them a reason to build, while killing our construction industry (among others) at the same time.
BDBK666 1 week ago
@BDBK666 That's funny the construction company I work for just built a large facility for a company from Italy that is moving it's production here. Explain that one.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@BDBK666 Don't blame the workers for the high costs. There are plenty of architects, project managers,and state and local officials who also get their piece of the pie. There is also OSHA, workman's comp, and unemployment compensation. None of these are the fault of the worker but are part of a larger problem which is overregulation
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot I did not blame the worker, I said Unions and regulation is the problem. That would include all those you listed and more. Architects and project managers are workers too by the way. Unions artificially drive labor prices up and screw employers. You are paid more for less work. Obviously nobody wants kids to work 12 hrs a day, so there is some good unions have done, but these days, they are killing our country. You should be paid what you're worth based on what you do.
BDBK666 6 days ago
@BDBK666 In the construction industry we are payed based on what we can do. that's why we go through four and a half years of training at a lower wage rate to acquire the skills and knowledge needed for the job. Also lazy workers in my trade (carpentry) typically don't last long. The company will get rid of them and find someone else. i've seen it happen. it is true that some workers have a job because they have a relative in the office but that could happen in any industry.
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
@BDBK666 I was doing the same exact job and the same amount of work non-union. Why wouldn't I go for the higher pay and better benefits?? That's just human nature
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
@dbistrumalot That is why I have no problem with workers, but unions. Obviously if someone will guarantee you a much bigger check, even when you don't work, why wouldn't you go. The unions force workers to go to them, and they force companies to pay way more than they should, therefore forcing all of us to pay more for everything. You would be stupid not to go, but what makes you any better than those "greedy rich guys"?
BDBK666 5 days ago
@BDBK666 The problem with that theory is I DO have to work. I have to be productive or they will look for someone else to replace me. Higher wages don't always equal more laziness at least not in my occupation.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@BDBK666 SO let me get this straight, 12% of the workforce of the entire country is killing the economy????? I don't really think so.
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
@dbistrumalot Yes, when 12% forces the rest of us to bail out the companies you force to fail, you are killing the economy. Don't forget, Public unions are 10 times worse, and they help too, and are bigger.
BDBK666 5 days ago
@BDBK666 No one is bailing out private construction firms, they are on their own and so are their employees.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@BDBK666 Bullshit, on the one hand you say unions are dying on the other hand your saying the small percentage of companies that remain union are killing the economy. if that were true when union membership was high (50's and 60's) it would have hurt the economy but it didn't it was actually a time of massive economic growth.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@dbistrumalot Eventually employers won't be able to pay for people who no longer work for them, and fail...oh wait...GM already happened. This forced EVERYONE ELSE to pay for their shit union pensions and benefits that GM couldn't afford, but was forced to pay thanks to unions. Soon enough others will follow. What good is that for workers. Do you think company's should be able to move their company to a different state? Do you think employers should have rights too?
BDBK666 6 days ago
@BDBK666 In my industry the employers have most of the rights. The only rights I have are a set rate of pay and benefits when they have work for me. They can terminate me at any time for any reason.
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
@dbistrumalot They can terminate you for any reason, and you can turn around and sue them for any reason.
BDBK666 5 days ago
@BDBK666 No I can't. They could lay me off tomorrow and there is nothing i can do about it.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@BDBK666 If that were true it would be true of any company union or non union
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@dbistrumalot As far as that Italian company, that depends on what they produce. Some things are still better to make here than China. I produce gloves in my business, and China's most expensive manufacturer was less than half the price including shipping to make and ship my product to me, than the cheapest bid from any American company, who is 2 miles down the street. Explain that one.
BDBK666 6 days ago
@BDBK666 What does it matter what they produce??? The fact is they chose to build one of their facilities' here and they built it with union labor. So that shoots a hole in your theory that all jobs go to China because of unions, it's bullshit.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@dbistrumalot unions, taxes, and regulation cause jobs to go to China. Thank you democrats, you lying pieces of shit.
bigdickstraightguy 5 days ago
@dbistrumalot Take a class in reading comprehension. I said "all you do is force companies to send jobs to China", That is very far from "All jobs go to china because of unions". We still make things here China doesn't yet. That is changing fast, so just keep demanding your outrageously high wage, and driving prices up, so people like me can't make a dollar without sending my work to China.
BDBK666 5 days ago
@BDBK666 Take a class in economics. When people make decent wages they buy stuff. New cars, tools for their trade, gas to get to work and they eat at restaurants on the weekend. All these things create opportunities for other workers.
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
@BDBK666 Sounds like your problem not mine
dbistrumalot 5 days ago
End up in a union by compulsory means, then learn what it is - to be sent to Hell..this is BS. That extra negotiated money goes to 40oz beers, pot and monster mud tires on pick-up trucks.
WJHHunterston 1 week ago
@WJHHunterston
Man I guess we should tell people how to spend their money?
AndroidPolitician 2 days ago
Wait...did I just sit through an ad for a labor union? Oh my
Vyna80 1 week ago
"this guy" (non union) can't make a dollar because unions lobby laws to sustain themselves and crowd out everyone else. Unions muscle the rest of us out of bidding on contracts. Unions are like the mob.
spankula123 1 week ago 3
@spankula123 Bid at living wages and we could do away with unions
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@spankula123 Waaaaaah boo hoo
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot fat-assed, nipple-addicted union gangsters like yourself bleed companies dry. Soon there will be no more nipple, and you'll be crying. lol
spankula123 1 week ago
@spankula123 I'll stick with the union and my good wages and benefits. It's guys like you that cry because you are at the mercy of employers with no voice other than yourself. By the way I weigh 170, not exactly fat-assed, in fact there are few fat-assed carpenters due to the fact that we have to bust ass for our higher wages. Get it??????
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot While I'm working 17 hours to get a job done, you're taking a shit on the job before your union smoke break. While I'm driving all over the city to find the right tool to do a job, you're on your afternoon union break. When I show up to a location and they say I have to hire a fat lazy union ass to sit by some door because some contract stipulates only they can open it, I'll think of you.
spankula123 1 week ago
@spankula123 I don't know what state your from but there are no such rules like that where I'm from. Plus I don't smoke never have and take only the breaks that the contracts states I get. 9:30 am (ten minutes) and 12:00 PM for lunch. Stop all the whining and hostility. If you feel like working 17 hours a day( which I don't how that's possible) go right ahead. I'll be as productive as possible for eight hours and then go home. because if I'm not productive I'll be out of a job. Get it??????
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@spankula123 If employees are being lazy on the job and the company doesn't reprimand them then it becomes the company's problem
dbistrumalot 6 days ago
Overlay a map of right to work states and a map of internal migration in the last 10 years. They match up very well, and people are fleeing the heavily unionized states. Coincidence perhaps?
cdoftx 1 week ago 3
@cdoftx You are exactly right. There are SO MANY Michigan liscence plates here in Texas it's crazy. Last year when Texas and Detroit were playing in the Baseball playoffs you saw more Detroit fans than Texas fans. It is crazy.
cooljj82 1 week ago
Making life better for working Americans, by destroying the free market with our communistic control of certain areas such as New York and stopping non union workers from being allowed to work by having our friends in the mob kill them.
d3ltadrive 1 week ago 6
@d3ltadrive They could just join the union
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot Well that costs money. They shouldn't have to pay to work.
d3ltadrive 1 week ago
@d3ltadrive If they want decent wages and a good benefit package they will join. it's funny but i know many carpenters who owned their own business and ended up joining the union, Why??? because they like the pay, security and benefits.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@d3ltadrive WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!! Stop the fucking whining
dbistrumalot 3 days ago
@d3ltadrive No. We provide socialistic bailouts to the 1% and the government gives welfare checks in the form of tax rebates to corporations like Wells Fargo and GE.
USASecretHistory 3 days ago
Wages in right to work states have risen faster than that of union states.
cooljj82 1 week ago 4
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dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@cooljj82 Show me where you found that load of bullshit
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
Several things converted me against today's unions but the one that is the most vivid was when I once applied for unemployment. On the application form was the question "Do you have permission from your union to look for work in the ____ area?" I was astonished because I thought I was a free man and could live and work where I wanted. Apparently not so from the union perspective. To be a free man one must be able to take one's skills and seek opportunities where he can find them.
douglasskinner 1 week ago 9
@douglasskinner Your not being completely truthful. I'm in a union and the question on the unemployment application reads. Are you a member in good standing??? All that does is waive your work search meaning the union is supposed to find your work for you. I'm in the carpenter's union and we are allowed to look for our own work.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot No I am stating it as it was worded, in the state of Virginia in 1994, it actually asked if I had permission from my union to look for work in my area. Now maybe it meant what you mean. Maybe the the wording is different in your area.
douglasskinner 2 days ago
@douglasskinner u can with the union... u can look for work anywhere, all u have to do is transfer cards... i can solicit my work at any time... laid off or not... or have the hall do the work for u in finding another job
ShyBoy13 1 week ago
@ShyBoy13 Part of the reason you can transfer is because in America the unions do not have a monopoly on labor but if they did, you might find it a little more difficult to transfer.
douglasskinner 2 days ago
@douglasskinner @d3ltadrive
Seriously those are the best criticisms you have? How some unions limit work and myths about union mobs?
Unions are one step closer to workers controlling their own workplaces instead of managers. Managers aren't the ones making steel or programming software it's the workers' labor and they ought to control it.
Freedom is doing or making something and having control over it, not unaccountable managers and bureaucrats.
AndroidPolitician 3 days ago
@AndroidPolitician It's not the only criticism. But the issue of being able to look for work on one's own terms with or without representation strikes at a core freedom, I think. For those who want represenation, let them have it; but some unions insist that if I want to work in certain lines of work I must work though them. The whole dichotomy of workers and managers is invidious; we all work, both managers and "workers".
douglasskinner 2 days ago
@douglasskinner
Well sure but there's a huge difference in who produces the labor, the workers are the ones that produce X and management is there essentially to control them. You can't have freedom when the product of your labor is being controlled by management as well as your compensation etc. it's the laborers whose labor it belongs to.
Unions aren't perfect but they're one step closer to workers controlling thier own labor and any representation is closer than none.
AndroidPolitician 2 days ago 2
Big Labor stole 25% of my pay every week for X years and all I got was this lousy unsafe work environment.
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dbistrumalot 1 week ago
Proud to be a UNION SHEET METAL WORKER LOCAL 105... since when do scabs work everday out if the year? I worked non union and had weeks when i didnt work a day.... the day i joined UNION, i havent been laid off... its a shame to see my fellow UNION brothers sit the bench when these scab ass contractors hire illegals paying them under the table... u need an american citizenship or green card to work UNION... reason y we make so much is because of our schooling and on site training ... FUCK SCABS
ShyBoy13 1 week ago
@ShyBoy13 Your use of the word scab is precisely why so many oppose unionism. Suppose I'm a "scab" with skills comparable to your own and I defy your notion of what is fair and go to work while you're sitting in a beer chair yelling obsinities at management. Do you say "f**k you scab" and bash my head in? From the way you write, I would guess so. I agree with your concern about hiring illegals. But the unions support political candidates (like Obama) who support illegal immigration.
douglasskinner 2 days ago
@douglasskinner If you are as talented as you say then you are selling yourself short by not joining the union in order to get top dollar for your labor. Union always pays you what you are worth if it didn't there would be no need for unions
dbistrumalot 2 days ago
@dbistrumalot If you're as talented as you think you are, you'd have no problem selling your services at a fair rate. Instead, you extort money from business through union intimidation and harassment. You're not being paid what you're worth, your paid what you can bully out of people.
Unions served a purpose long ago when workers couldn't read or write. Today, unions serve no purpose and would be abolished if it weren't for politicians that need union votes to get elected.
vidiot32224 1 day ago
@vidiot32224 The rate I do make is fair and i don't bully anybody I merely work under the terms of the contract that was NEGOTIATED by my union. With no union there would be no decent wages, pensions or good health insurance. The company I work for chose to be a union company and it's field employees chose to be union members, either party is free to leave that arrangement at any time for any reason. There is no extortion only a collective bargaining process that makes things fair for both.
dbistrumalot 1 day ago
I still think the reason why so many companies are out-sourcing is because they dont want to deal with a bunch of whinny bossy unions.
Unions dont produce a product or service so why do business owners take them seriously?
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Because it's the workers right to unionize if they choose
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot and its the employers right to FIRE YOUR ASS if you become to greedy and demanding. NOBODY OWES YOU A JOB.
Its because of people like you is why are jobs are being out-sourced.
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge No shit Sherlock. I don't write union contracts I simply work under the terms of them. I have to be productive on the job site otherwise I'll be out of a job. Also it's very difficult to outsource the construction of a building
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot So your admitting that unions dont play fairly, but you dont care because you just want to get paid?
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge There is nothing unfair about a union shop. They chose to be part of the union and the workers decided to be union members. Contracts are arrived upon through a negotiating process, the union can't ask for more than the companies are willing to pay and the company can't decide to pay to little. that's why they call it COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Don't you want to get paid as well?? Or do you work for free?????
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot If given the opportunity to work for a union getting paid 10% more for the same job. I would not do it. I dont like how they do business.
But at-least your honest. Some people just make up a bunch of BS to justify it.
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Believe me The construction trades have taken a beating by the economy over the last few years. I'm not opposed to working non union but I have a lot of time invested in the unions pension plan. if i leave now I won't get much when i retire
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot true, but have you ever thought that because of the union. Your construction company could go out of business. Because the construction company is dishing out so much to the union, your pension plan, etc.
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge They do dish out a lot but a lot is expected out of us as tradespeople. The company has been in business for a very long time and as far as I know the owners are VERY well off. In fact right now the main owner is down in Florida at his winter house instead of freezing his ass off in Wisconsin. More power to him!!!!!!!
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Also when one construction company goes under there will be another one there to take their place tommorow
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Well no, not really. The company makes a profit BECAUSE of me not in spite of me.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
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dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Well now I know you're not being honest. Most people would jump at the chance to increase their wage 10%.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@fargonbastedge Exactly what is unfair????????
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot Oh hell, where do I start?
1. The unions give there money to the democrat party so they can increase pro-union laws. Its like cycle. Tough shit if your not a democrat. Your hard earn money is going to them anyways.
2. It prevents business from hiring and expanding
3. Unions dont produce a product or service, but yet they dictate policy for the company as if there opinion even matter.
4. Union bosses make the most for themselves
and dont get me started on public unions.
fargonbastedge 1 week ago 22
@fargonbastedge While what you're saying may me true in most cases I feel it's in my best interests to remain a union member. That may change in the future though if I have two more lousy years like the last two. When there is construction work companies do have to hire and if they are a union shop ,well, you know who they'll hire. Anything you are saying that you feel is unfair could be said about many corporations, such as GE who just about pay no corporate taxes
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot Sure, no problem. I respect you for what your saying. Many union members know about what they do and lie to try to justify it... but at-least you said that its in your best interest.
fargonbastedge 1 week ago
This guy is a scum bag and is part of the scum bag labors union. HA HA
Galtline14 1 week ago
This ad is a total crock of shit and completely back ass backwards
032490mf 1 week ago
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dbistrumalot 1 week ago
Apparently you missed my earlier post here it is one last time. Every company can choose to be union or not. Every employee can choose to be a union member or not. Either party is free to leave that arrangement at any time for any reason. What don't you get. If you hate unions then don't be a union company. If i hated unions I wouldn't be a member.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot Every company can choose to be union or not. This is simply not true. Look dude I dont care what you do. do as you wish I own my own business and make a nice living. My non union workers are some of the best. They dont need a shake down in order to get respect.
Galtline14 1 week ago
@Galtline14 I personally don't care if you want to be union or non union. I have worked for both and union pays better for doing the same exact type of work. As long as you are paying your guys market rates for their work i don't care. By the way the going rate for a skilled journeyman carpenter is $ 33.43 per hour.
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
So you think these two guys look the same ? The one on the left is an American and the one on the right is communist !
Galtline14 1 week ago
By the way, most workers have the same rights to VOTE-NO UNION in a Union company too! What comes around goes around! POWER TO THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OF AMERICA!
mess9u2 1 week ago
Unions call private workers scabs but when they sit on the bench and see private workers work every day of the year, what the fuck are you? A scab! A union worker sucks more unemployment than a vacuum cleaner sucks up dirt!
mess9u2 1 week ago
No organized group has the right to dictate to any business rules and regulations. I have been in business for many years and I can tell you that private business looks the same at all unions, the destroyers of our free market. We have closed plants down due to our labor force that wanted to vote the union in our plant. fuck the union and all the lazy Americans who work under a union. The union is the 1 reason California is Bankrupt.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 u r a fucking moron
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 Well you rationalize like a union worker. Hey I have a guy names Jose who is from Mexico. He is one of the greatest sheet metal workers I have ever seen and he is a about a 1/4 of what your dumb ass costs. All unions can go to hell.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 well to respond to the comment that u deleted, u fucking pussy ass scab... what do u mean get a real job? What is a real job to u? Like i said im a skilled crafstman... and my work shows it... lol @ be a real man... i take care of my family, this job treats me right do the misses can stay home with the kid... fuck off and die somewhere
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 Do you think any company wants the Union voted in ? Hell No why should you get paid more than the free market. The Unions are destroying the Country from within, but I guess the Union never educated on that one. The only reason you get paid more is because the Union does back door dealings with Politicians and it uses force to make a company sacrifice itself to the union. You, Obama, and all the other union members go to hell.Unions are AntiAmerican. Get to work you are wasting money.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 oh god another ron paul fanatic.
ccraigd89 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 12% of the workforce is just destroying the economy?? Reallly???? Unions are actually 100% American if you don't like it go to Europe. oh wait their unionized too.
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@dbistrumalot What 12 percent is that ?
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 The amount of workers in unions is at 12% of the whole workforce
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@dbistrumalot WOOW that has gone way down. I hope the Trend continues.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Yes it has gone done along with wage rates and standards of living. Also healthcare costs have skyrocketed in direct correlation with a drop in union membership. So guess what the unions that have survived are the trade unions mostly which are vital to this country
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
Shemale is that what you call the rest of the non union work force, Scabs. You remind me of the union worker that I punched in Vegas. He never saw it coming and when he did it was too late. I smashed his union face with my Hard working Fist. The guy tried to argue with me when I told him that the union was for pussies. As usual the union member that he was tough with his mob mentality. Not so in this case, it was one of the happiest days of my life. He hit the ground like a slab of meat.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Union Reject... sorry we dont accept retards in the UA... better luck next time scab
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 I would never join the union. I know many Union workers who hate the union. If you had balls you would go into the real world and get paid the American Way. By hard work and sweat. Union workers are the biggest loads in the work force. I have never met a union worker that does more work than non union workers. Your guys are the women of the bunch.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Don't lump ALL union workers in that category. I've worked non union and union construction jobs and the union contractors demand a lot more out of their workers. like you can't show up stoned or drunk for work like the non union guys and you are expected to work safely and in a timely manner . Piss off because you don't know me or any of my friends and relatives many of which are in trade unions
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@dbistrumalot Go start a business and than open the doors to the Union. Than tell me if you are happy. You have no idea what you are talking about or how Unions cripple the American Economy. The union has destroyed the schooling system in this country.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 12% of the workforce cannot "cripple" an economy. Like or not trade unions are here to stay
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Why should i start a business when I am happy to be working for someone else and making good money with benefits?????
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Here's where you are full of shit, ready????? The company I work for agreed of their own volition to be a union shop. I decided on my own ( no coercion) to be a union member. They are free to become a non union shop at any time and I am free to leave the union at any time. Is that simple enough for you??????
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
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dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@Galtline14 If he's that good he would and should demand more money and guess what the non union company is going to tell him to piss off . So eventually anyone who wants adequate compensation for their skills will join a union. If you don't like it then that's YOUR problem.
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Then he's working for $ 8 an hour??? Really??? Now we know you are full of shit. Your comments lack any factual proof or coherent thought. Stop the hate and the jealousy, we are all trying to survive some of us prefer to survive better
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot Your survive from stealing from the hard working. If you have the balls go start a business and than let the union take over you business. You are a fool in union clothing.
Galtline14 1 week ago
@dbistrumalot I have workers from over the boarder who work harder than any union worker I have managed. fuck the union. A Bunch of hill billy bastards looking for a handout. You are no different than the lazy blacks on every street corner. at least they call a spade a spade SIr.
Galtline14 1 week ago
@Galtline14 Cause they are afraid you'll call INS
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
@ShyBoy13 Are you a union guy?? It sounds like you are and I'M on your side because i am a proud member of the carpenters union
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 Keep on him dude!!!!!!
dbistrumalot 1 week ago
OBAMA ANOTHER FOUR AND WE CHANGE OUR FLAG, instead of 50 stars, replace it with an emblem of THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA! I want to thank all unions for sending work to NAFTA, you voted BILL CLINTON, right?
mess9u2 2 weeks ago
@mess9u2 good thing im in construction, they can never send my work to china
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
RON PAUL!!!!!!!! only hope for this country.
jwperry 2 weeks ago
@jwperry Too bad he has no chance to win
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@dbistrumalot you are right it is too bad
jwperry 2 weeks ago
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dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
Unions are thugs and they are not needed in the USA. Union Workers should be ashamed of being apart of such a looter organization. Go get a real job and stand on your own two feet and negotiate your own pay. Don't let it be done by force. Besides the unions were shrinking before this arse took office.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Unions are shrinking along with american workers standard of living
dbistrumalot 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 Damn right!
mess9u2 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 what's wrong rat, u too stupid to pass a test to become part of the union? Im fine with my $45 an hour, my excellent medical and dental insurance, my pension, and my 401a... i dont need to work for a non signatory contractor that doesnt even offer most of what im getting from my union... not to mention i work for the 2nd largest mechanical contractor in the west coast and the 3rd largest in the US all union! So fuck off scab... IM A UNION THUG AND PROUD OF IT
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 And people wonder why there is 12 percent unemployment and why all of our jobs have left for China. Well here is your answer . Its people like this who have been brain washed that they are worth more than they actually are. If you want to see something funny watch this clown try get a 45 per hour job on his own ability rather than have the thugs do it for him. That will be a laugh. Its this thinking that is destroying America. People like this don't even understand how business works.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 im part of the UA... i never have to worry about my job going to china... but i do have to worry about some lousy ass scab taking my job because they underbid by 50,000 dollars... the fuck out of here... i can easily work for a scab outfit and make %57 sn hour but not have job security, health insuranve mr
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
@ShyBoy13 Trust me the reckoning is coming and yes you will have to worry about your over paid position. Its coming sooner than you think. Better start saving.
Galtline14 2 weeks ago
@Galtline14 ignore that, im on my phone and it posted when i wasnt finished... u have no clue what unions r all about... u think all unions r the same? U only believe what u hear in the media
ShyBoy13 2 weeks ago
Ronald Reagan was Milton Friedmans puppet
jwperry 2 weeks ago
@jwperry ...and who is OBAMAS' PUPPET MASTERS! Of course, the UNIONS WHO CONTROL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WITH THEIR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BRIBES AND PAY-OFFS, face facts ,all politicians pit non-union against union to get a vote and that is a proven FACT! I do not disagree with a worker who is subjected to an hostile work atmosphere and wants union to represent but what about us who reject the union?
mess9u2 2 weeks ago
if unions are a corporation. why is it ok for all the other corporations to receive bailouts and welfare and lobby for their own self-interest but not the so called union "corporation". makes no sense arguing against yourself and only proving my point. as long as corporations have special bargaining/lobbying power SO SHOULD UNIONS!!!!
jwperry 2 weeks ago
@jwperry Why fuck with me as a non-union worker? I am a fucking American citizen, pay taxes,"WAY TOO HIGH", work 5 days per week and my blood bleeds red too, what color does a union workers'? Unions were organized in the day when GOVERNMENT/STATE did not oversee the work place but today we have OSHA so now the UNION LEADERS fall into a category of bribing politicians and demanding payoffs from non-union companies so as not to harass them on a job with union workers, what is this?
mess9u2 2 weeks ago
@mess9u2 this is america. thats how shit works. you take an overly simplistic view of unions and the government. you remind me of the rednecks i have to deal with. i think all would prefer the govt get their hands out of everything but UNTIL THEY DO you have no argument against unions.
jwperry 2 weeks ago
@jwperry Tell your UNION LEADERS who for your information go DEMOCRAT everytime to do the same! I cannot support a government who does not represent me because my vote as well as yours does't count! This is America and we are over taxed and underpayed since when did one of our politicians take a pay cut? They ask UNION workers' as well as non too!
mess9u2 2 weeks ago
@mess9u2 i am with you but until the SYSTEM changes unions are a NECESSITY!!!!
jwperry 2 weeks ago
@jwperry Good, now lets get common ground as workers' in America! We, Union as Private workers' must UNITE in the face of the real threat, the real culprits who have created the economic demise in this once great nation of ours! Our so called leaders will always pit UNION BROTHERS against NON-UNION to get elected! I do not hate Union but my belief is that the State is trying to suffocate the rights of all Americans, the right to organize and not! In my view we WORKERS OF AMERICA, UNITE!