I see no reason to abandon the interior attack and spray the outside of the house with a master stream. That fire is in the attic, pulling the ceilings on the second floor with a charged hand line in place could of knocked that down.
@atech34 and @ KN1NO2 If the ariel crews were to spray water on this, the crews inside would be hit with hot steam. Regular firefighting gear is only good for dry heat and steam will cause a firefighter to burn. Also pushing the heat from the attic down could cause the fire to spread. This house shows that it has already been heavily burned and is probably of little value. People over property.
I have not read any others comments, but here's my "what I think happened" report. First of all, they opened the roof, giving oxygen tp the fire so it could grow. They didn't have a hoseline up there, if they did they could have easily knocked the fire down. Third misstake: spraying the bricks with thousands of gallons of water, that would have been ti a lot of use if they put it down the freaking hole in the roof instead!! Idiots I tell you!
@K1NO2 Wrong, when a flashover occurs, it is because the temperature in a specific area has reached a point that all objects within that area will combust, meaning everything in the room catches fire including the people inside. So by venting above the area you allow the heat to escape, which in turn allows the temperature in that area to drop keeping the firefighters inside safe from combusting.
@atech34 Also spraying water into a room with significant heat causes... that's right steam, steam will fill a space through expansion and cause the people inside to get burned which is why you dont spray down through a hole or in through a window with people inside, spraying the bricks which is soaking up the heat in the room will cool through thermal convection.
@atech34 First of all: I'm a fireman! And let me say this: yes, venting allows the heat to escape. But also adds oxygen to the fire, and that is one of the things needed to create a flashover (oxygen+fuel+heatsource = fire). But as a fireman, I can also say that a hoseline up on the roof is VERY appropriate. I would have knocked those flames down in a minute or two. Cause in sweden, we know how to deal with flashovers BEFORE they occure!! (Not saying the're idiots, just saying...)
@K1NO2 I am also a Firefighter, and yes it is true with oxygen heat and fuel you create fire, the fire is already there, what causes flashover is temperature not oxygen, thus removing heat from an area reduces the temperature in that area, by your logic it would have been just as sufficient to have a fire extinguisher up there to "knock the flames down", using the fire extinguisher by your logic would interrupt the chemical chain reaction needed to sustain a fire.
@atech34 You did say they where idiots for not wanting to spray water down a ventilation hole and not burning their brothers or sisters in the room, I don't know how you guys do it in Sweden but I can honestly say I wouldn't want to be on an engine company attacking a fire while your up there venting.
@atech34 I'm not saying a fire extinguisher would knock that fire down. A hoseline with a fog nozzle however would. It's quite simple: use a fog (but it takes some skills to pull it off) to cool the superheated gases the second that hole is open. Then the flashover won't accure. If it however does accour a fog nozzle can also be used to knock it down by using larger drops of water. A lot of departments in the US uses it with great success. Others don't, cause they don't know how to use it.
@K1NO2 There are already firefighters inside the building attacking the fire, its the job of the ladder crew to ventilate above the fire, since when does a ventilating crew bring a hose line up with them during an attack, the fog stream would be used in the room, and in actuality you want to use a straight stream to absorb more heat, the fog stream would steam up the more surface area of water you provide the more heat you can absorb
@atech34 the point is you dont spray water into a build as a defensive measure when you still have firefighters inside the building you can burn them, drown them cause exterior structures to collapse on them.. the only thing i see they could have done different is not put the stick up you can clearly see the power lines touching but i cant say they didnt shut those power lines down first as goes with any of this video your talking about how it should have been done but you werent there
@atech34 WRONG. Since I don't know Farremheit that well, I'm gonna say this in degrees Celsius. Water turns into steam by 100 degress C. A fire and gases are HOTTER than that, maybe 400-1000. So steam is better than hot gases. Second of all the water turning into steam takes energy from the gases/fire and casing it to cool down a bit. And last of all: since when is it wrong to bring a hoseline to the fire? It doesn't matter what crew your on. If fire, bring water.
@K1NO2 The propper method would be for the engine crew to find the fire, cool down the hot gases, maybe throw some water at the flames to keep it down. THEN you make the hole, and the chance of a flashover is less then before. Also, drowning the house with a canon (on the ladder) causes so much water damage, that it's not even worth fighting the fire any more. THe place will have to be demolished anyhow. Now I'm off to fight a fire - the say it's supposed to be done. PEACE!
@K1NO2 Okay, im going to try and make this as simple as possible. The engine shows up attacks the fire, the ladder shows up at the same time or shortly after and begins to vent, at what point did the ladder truck get hose lines. So the engine is attacking the job of the engine is to attack, find the fire put it out. The ladders are searching the interior for rescue as well as ventilating above the fire, agreed?? Now if you go and spray water in from the outside what happens to the
@atech34 people inside? They get cooked. What you just responded, is exactly what I've been telling you the whole time, your original statement claimed what they did was wrong and that they where idiots. Now if they are dumping into a building from outside which is defensive, when do you go into a defensive mode? When the fire is out of control right? So seeing as how a flashover occurred even though the room was being attacked with hose lines from inside, as well as being vented..
firehouses and cutting firefighters. Its because we are starting to care more about if we have our safety vest over our turnout coat or that everyone is buckled up before the firetruck leaves the firehouse instead of what our most important job duty is. To protect life and property and serve our community in a time of need.
We need to stay agressive and we need to train hard. We need to fight to protect everything we can from fires. Some peoples personal possesions are all they may have. Saving a single picture could mean the whole world to somebody. By being agressive and putting the "costumer" first we keep our reputation as being the ones people can rely on. You change that mentality and it goes against everything we stand for. Then you wonder why so many people wont even think twice when it comes to closing
luding the homeowner. Our job isnt to stand around with the homeowner. Its to put the fire out. The costumer comes first. Im not saying be stupid and do things that are completely crazy like crawling into a room that flashed to try searching for somebody or anything like that but the "stand back and watch it burn because the flames are shooting out the roof" mentality that some officers are pushing more and more these days dont make us any more effective than the homeowner holding a garden hose.
Should they be upset about this fire? No. The fire went out and everyones alive but they should look at how they could have done this differently. The past can be changed, but it can help us learn for the future. A fire in the attic venting out 3 holes in the roof should be easily knocked down from inside. Does anyone know exactly why they evacuated? Dont tell me its because the fire started blowing out the vent holes. You have to be agressive. Anyone can stand in the road and watch the fire inc
You can't go by the book on every fire because every fire is different. The layout of the house, the material that is burning, how long it has been burning, the type and amount of equipment available, water supply, and so many other things can come into play when dealing with what you may think to be the run of the mill fire. Only 20 plus years of fire experience will ever reveal that to you because it aint in the book!
There are too many snotty nosed twenty-something year old Monday morning arm chair quarter backs in this business who think they are Gods gift to firefighting. What are the three most important factors to this incident? 1. Did anybody loose their life? From what I understand, everyone involved lived. 2. Was the incident stabilized? Yes, the fire went out. 3. Was any of the property saved? Yes. Life Safety, Incident Stabilization, and Property conservation in that order and no other!
@beatchildproductions you may have got reply's but here is mine.the 3 long air horn blasts are to leave the building because the conditions inside the house are to dangerous.so the guys that were doing inside work came out so that is why their are so meany guys standing around
U have to be kidding me. Y don't I order u guys a fucking pizza while u sit around on the roof. Do u guys ever heard off a pike pole and pull some ceiling on that second floor to expose the addic for the pipeman. May be next time use your manpower more wisely and send 2 to the roof and 2 in with poles. I'm sure the home owner was real proud of u guys on this total fuck up. U guys obviously don't go to many fires, so my suggestion is better training and less sitting on your butts watching TV.
@chgofiresqd5 Our lives before your personal possesions bro, im sure if there was an easier way to do tat that also took less time, the IC would radio to them in a heartbeat...
@taylorlaforge0413 Lets try this again. 1st:Fire tactics is done prior to the working fire. U don't learn them or better yet be told them at the fire by a IC. 2nd-Reading the smoke conditions apon arrival will tell u if it is a content fire or a structure fire. This allows the officer to put in play his plan of attack, for fire suppression and search/rescue. 3rd: Truck ops should be 2-to the roof and the officer and 1-FF in the front door with the Eng. Co. for seaches and suppression together.
@taylorlaforge0413 as I can see manning is not a issue here if 4 Truck Co. guys can sit and stare into the hole. 4th; After primary searches have been completed the truck inext task is to open the plumbing walls, exterior walls and ceiling in all rooms on fire. 2nd Truck is to place a second ladder to the rear roof for the first truck and then go inside the structure and AGAIN pull ceiling, open walls looking for fire extension. 2nd eng. leads out 2nd line off the still eng to the SECOND FLOOR.
@taylorlaforge0413 Hey Taylor u still with me so far. 5th; By now the first truck and second truck companys should be in the upstairs rooms exposing the ADDIC SPACE. The 2 roof men should have radioed the conditions on the roof by know. With this info this tells u how many upstairs rooms have to be pulled. In this video the fire traveled up the plumbing wall to the addic space. A good truckman will go to the 2nd floor bathroom toilet side and expose the plumbing wall.
@taylorlaforge0413 6th; As I said earlier the 2nd engine company has a line upstairs with the truckmen. Working together this fire would have been put out with no problem. I won't even comment on the master stream into the brick for a good 5 min. Because it would not be needed if this fire was attacked correctly. By the way the next time the main (ladder on the truck)is in motion u don't SIT DOWN but you GET OFF. your lucky he did not get hurt. Now thats what the IC should have told u.
@taylorlaforge0413 Taylor learn to take criticism or u will never make it on this job buddy. Take this tactic that I just shared with u and train with it. Maybe next time your company will save more then just the foundation of a house. Always remember a good Truck or Squad is made up of men with 2 main things; Be able to think out of the box under pressure and a good set of BRASS BALLS !!! If u don't have that then do us all a favor and stay on the Ambulance passing out band-aids. That is all.
@taylorlaforge0413 once again you proved to everyone on what type of person you are and your age. Now I see why you made the statement about waiting for the IC to tell you what to do. It's because you don't know what to do and you can't think for yourself in a fire situation. I hope that battery on your radio never fails, but then again u will never be the one inside the building anyway. Grow up son and be a student of the game, its not about being a badass bro. Good luck to you Talyor
ok next thing y is ur master stream on 4 3 mins b4 it hits any water??? and who the hell placed a truck touching the powerlines??? and whos the dummy that thought it was ok to climb up said ladder ??? not smart
idk y i watch these types of video they get me so annoyed ... 1) y is there 5 ffs hanging out on the roof after they vented?? cut the hole and get off the roof ; u just compromised the structure of the roof and given the fire a spot to come out so get off theres nothing more u can do up there if ur PASS alarm is going off ur not doing enough work not to mention no roof ladders... the 2nd set of guys did it the right way good job ... ok next thing WHAT R U SPRAYING???
wow people could be harsh, im sure everyone so quick to judge has made mistakes or dumb decisions, that being said, it appears to be a rippin attic fire, no worries, the vent holes are doing what they are supposed to be doing, no need to panic, just pull some celing and things here should go smoothly, not much risk for any further unexpected condition changes, just pull down some celing and get after it! stay safe out there guys and girls!
Jesus, all I can do now is sit here & ponder as to why you had to go & make yourself look stupid. A roof ladder is a ladder /w a hook(s) on the end that sits up on top of the roof. The hooks go over the ridge of the roof. Firefighters stand near (I don't leave the damn things) the ladder while doing ventilation. So that if shit hits the fan while doing ventilation (e.g. the roof collapses) the firefighter can hopefully b saved by the roof ladder because it's hooked to the ridge.
Looks like the fire attack team didn't check for extension, nor did they monitor the interior for changing conditions with a charged line standing by...shame on the company that flowed the master stream while members were still inside...from the looks of the video it looked like a pure attic fire with good visibilty inside the structure...don't understand why all the mistakes occured.
this is so bad they chose the surround and drown method over a well coordinated attack & vent . they could have saved that house and now they've got all that water in their house.
i just graduated fire 1 and isnt it dangerous to start pumping all the water from the deck gun into the house when an interior attack is still being conducted? thats like a main rule right? never preform and offensive and defensive attack simelanteously?
i would b pissy if i was interior and they flowed the ladderpipe i try not to judge by watching utube but they diffenetly messed up on this onee but hopefully they will take this fire criteic it and learn what went good aswell as went bad stay safe brothers
Looks like poor apparatus placement. If that engine Had pulled past the building the truck would have had perfect access. And whats with the ladder pipe flowing before the all out had been sounded? Looks like some basic tactics have been forgotten. I agree with the other statements that tis could have been handled with a couple handlines and at most maybe a 2 1/2
If you post a video like this you have to know your your gonna get your ass handed to you. Take you lumps, learn from it and never do it again. Make the appropriate vent in the appropriate location when the proper size hoseline is in place and charged. Open up and put out the fire. This is not rocket science boys. At the end of the day as long as everyone goes home consider it a learning experience.
I wasnt there and niether were 98% of you who have commented on this. SHIT goes bad, it happens. Wasn't the best fire ground ops anybody has seen but, it can be used as a video of what not to do. Listen we all do this job to the best of our ability, some days we rock and some days we flop. It has happened to the best of us. I really think what happens is some of the young guys get on here, who think they know more than they do, and think it is there right to say something hatefull.
@kunzy04 It absolutely is the best plan. The idea is to blow heat, flame, and smoke UP out of the holes you made in the roof not DOWN into the structure and spreading it around to parts of the house that aren't involved. This house is totaled and it didn't need to be if a determined truck and engine got in there, pulled drywall and ceilings, and put the fire out the right way. Amateurs surround and drown; firemen gut it out until there ain't no getting inside.
@kunzy04 Very true. If you look at the windows on the lower floors though, it isn't banked down. Or it doesn't look like it is. From the outside it looks like a typical attic job that should've been put out from the interior. But, I wasn't there so I guess it's a bit pompous of me to armchair quarterback. Apologies. A hundred things could've been going on in there that we can't see on video.
Looks like the vent did it's job, they didn't need to hang out on the roof as long as they did, it looks like there was a fan on somewhere with that amount of "blowing" fire, but I wasn't there
what was the ladder pipe hitting, besides a brick wall? All those guys on the roof is kinda scary.... 1 guy with a saw and correct training as to how to open the roof and things would have gone much more efficiently. Stay safe.
Just to add my 2 sense in..............before you jump all over everyone in htis video maybe you should know that Lodi the previous day fought a warehouse job for 17hours. Mutual aid was brought in from over 15 departments to battle the fire and cover the town. Cut the guys some slack.............at least they show up as volunteers. Things go wrong sometimes, things happen.......
I agree with the power lines and the stick. I'm unsure why the wall was being pounded with water. I saw someone had ask that and the reply had to do with the power lines, was your tank to pump stuck open??? If you had that heavy of fire upon arrival then you should have thought about pulling a 2 1/2" I'm aware they are heavy but they work and carry alot of water. Big fire big water and work smart not hard are good to live by. This would make a good "not what to do" training video....
this had to be a controlled burn, or a sorry bunch of firefighter, there was a second tower to the left that wasnt flowing water!.....why? no hose attack from the ground, and everyone is really relaxed on the ground, doesnt happen when your letting a fire get out of control!!
I noticed alot of things that went wrong... it looked like they were parked right under a powerling and a firefighters head was right under one and had to duck 4:13
Is there any point of pounding the wall with the aerial monitor?? please enlighten me, as it seems to be not only a waste of water, but causing a bunch of un necessary water damage? maybe aim it at the fire?
@ffnva30 wat an ignorant statement. i gaurantee there are plenty of volunteers that do a way better job than u and ur fire dept does. just bc ur career doesnt mean u understand fire behavior and firematics. trust me i garuantee vollies can run circles around some of u guys.
@company2brookside As usual the ignrance is you.. First of all the word What is spelled with an H.. Secondly "firematics?"... not a word and finally I am a 16 yr veteran firefighter but I started out as a volunteer and if YOU weren't so ignorant and focused on what I said, I did not say "all volunteers" I said "untrained volunteers" There is a difference!! I believe there are well trained and very capable volunteers out there. So next time you make a comment.. think abt rhat! Firematics! lol
@ffnva30 u gotta see how u came out. u might not have meant wat u said, but u just came out wrong. my bad if u meant different. and firematics isnt a word? where are u from? of course it is, its common word used in every fire house especially in new york. It might not be in the dictionary but trust me it is. Get active and maybe you would hear it more. lol im joking, chill dont blow a fuse.. just bustin ur balls.
Note: not to be off subject but at time 4:41 a firefighter climbing the aerial ladder has to duck under power lines but his SCBA ends up touching the line. It looks to me like there was more than one close call in this video.
P.S. Thank you for posting. Its good to see these sort of situations some fire departments don't get the opportunities to see many fires first hand.
@Tiksop Every fire in America don't fight fire the same here and for you to assume that is your lack of knowledge American fd . Every firemen thinks their department is the best and that's sad to hear. I've seen videos of the UK fd and their not any better. It's all about training and you should know that. (32 year vet.)
Thats it boys, that front wall was real dirty keep washing it. If your going to vent a fire like that have all the means of tackling the fire in place ready. The American method of fire fighting still amazes me to this day.
Thankfully I spent 32 years in the best fire service in the world. UK
Dkb you don't spray water through a ventilation hole. It not only pushes heat down onto the firefighters inside. It also defeats the purpose if water goes in it does not vent... Also those fighters should have a roof ladder or not be on the roof just standing there... That's a collapse accident waiting to happen.
It is amazing to watch 30 firefighters standing around when two attack lines would have knocked down that fire in minutes. Attic fires are nothing to be afraid of, especially when lines are already in place in the interior. Embarassing to watch.
@kth611< The true embarrassment is the fact that it wasn't really an attic fire, it was a patio fire. The covered porch caught fire and lit the corner of the house, the fire was out and as you saw nothing but steam was coming out the top floor windows and these assholes decide to cut holes on all four sides of the roof letting in all kinds of fresh air and wind. Like a bellows that new air fired up the embers and they lost the house as you saw in the vid.
one of the worst fire fighting videos i have ever saw ! what the fuck are they thinking ?? and wheres that jet of water going at 2 mins 16 to 14 mins ?? absolutely no idea !
So, is this how its done in the States. Pretty bloody piss poor. What amazed me was the number of firefighters that rolled out of the building...what were they doing in there?? having a union meeting. What was that water stream doing directed at the brick wall?? Was the guy taking pictures a firefighter or a bystander? Not that it matters... non of the firies seemed to do anything anyway.
This particular ventilation was the REASON for the fire deterioration. The windward hole actually fed O2 into the attic. These guys would be better PYROS, actually! IC is to blame for not picking up on this right away!
This particular ventilation was the REASON for the fire deterioration. The windward hole actually fed O2 into the attic. These guys would be better PYROS, actually! IC is to blame for not picking up on this right away!
Problem seems they were defensive on what should have been a agressive interior attack. as for the vent it did its job, maybe one cut instead of multible cuts and and closer to the ridge pole would have been more effective. IMO a few truckies pulling ceiling with a charged hoseline inplace would have knock this fire with no problem. Its easy to monday night quarterback, we all have a bad day. All in all fire went out nobody seemed to be hurt other then a few ego's. Good job guys
@xbones09 haha, i was just thinking that, im in fire 1 right now and we just got done ventilation but i wanted to see a good example of ventilation (epecially when the scenerio changes rapidly like this) on a fire scene.
@firengn011: Vertical ventilation could still be needed even if the windows are busted out. Why they decided to cut the hole there is beyond me, though.
@ 910Juan: the guy wasn't told to watch his head because of the power/phone/cable lines. He was talking about the ladder behind him which is why the guy looked over his shoulder and behind himself when he squatted. The guy on the ground even says "Watch your head, he's getting ready to swing around".
@raidermp If the primary fire body is ABOVE the windows (which seems the case here, looks like an attic fire, since I do not even see smoke coming out of main floors), then the broken windows BELOW the fire will actually make it worse for conditions above. Ya gotta open up that roof fast, and in the right place, and have water READY before the ladder co. exits. The minute the personnel are off, HIT IT! And make sure personnel are OUT of fire building prior to master stream ops. Very simple.
I don't really understand the need for vertical ventilation when every window in the place is busted. It just seems to be putting the ladder Co. in a precarious situation for no better reason than the chief didn't know what else to do. But hey what do I know I work in Alabama and ride a rescue not a truck.
Yeah the bucket on the left, nice way to get your self cooked like a damn hotdog next to the wires. and if your gonna go defensive at least hit the fire coming from the roof. Good call on the chief for pullin them out before anyone got hurt.
Did anyone else notice that the ladder was placed dangerously close to the electrical lines. There was also a fire fighter walking across the top of the fire truck and was told to watch his head because of his helmet touching the electrical lines. Hmm Maybe they will use this as a training aid for what NOT to do on scene. Great video though.
upon arriavl the first engine thier encountered heavy fire blowing out from the first floor windows and the rear of the structure and the back second floor windows and it took longer for crews to gether cause school was just letting out at that time and hydrante problems accord during this time
what a bunch of fuckn pussies they all need to be fired that fire should have been out minutes after they arrived . If we pulled some shit like that at my dept we would get laughed plum out of the city wonder if there asses got sued for that one.
Whats the problem? Why are there tower ladders operating? Whatever made the attic flash dosnt matter, looks like improper vent but i wasnt there, how bout a line to the top floor operating into the attic? This is a simple attic fire at this point. I dont see why the line could not be relocated and operated into the attic..
well the fire could be lower inside the walls 2 who knows guess only the firefighters there would no but attic fire like basement fires arnt simple they r extremely dangerous
@rdbradleyjr < That's right, and they're located in Dumbshit New Jersey. Idiot's, the fire was out and they cut up they roof !?!. Morons could have used their hoses and fogged the smoke out the gables while the rest of the team overhauls the attic. But no, they decide to feed the embers with free flowing, well vented air essentially making the roof a pile of camp kindling. Like the guy outside said, "used to be a house".
How stupid can the driver of the ladder get. Lets be smart and put the stick up a few inches from the power lines. Then hes gonna retract the stick with people on it. WTF Has anyone heard of Aerial Ops? This is a good example of bad truck work.
I didnt see a flashover just fire in the attic space that wasn't being extinguished begin to vent
tyler19956 1 day ago
I see no reason to abandon the interior attack and spray the outside of the house with a master stream. That fire is in the attic, pulling the ceilings on the second floor with a charged hand line in place could of knocked that down.
griebz 1 week ago
@atech34 and @ KN1NO2 If the ariel crews were to spray water on this, the crews inside would be hit with hot steam. Regular firefighting gear is only good for dry heat and steam will cause a firefighter to burn. Also pushing the heat from the attic down could cause the fire to spread. This house shows that it has already been heavily burned and is probably of little value. People over property.
pickford7812 1 week ago
all those guys coming out the front door were inside watching youtube videos
smellycatpoop 2 weeks ago
Horns sound and out pours atleast 7 from that house.......just saying
onesn 4 weeks ago
LMAO @ 2:18. Really? Hilarious!
MultiGruntled 1 month ago
I have not read any others comments, but here's my "what I think happened" report. First of all, they opened the roof, giving oxygen tp the fire so it could grow. They didn't have a hoseline up there, if they did they could have easily knocked the fire down. Third misstake: spraying the bricks with thousands of gallons of water, that would have been ti a lot of use if they put it down the freaking hole in the roof instead!! Idiots I tell you!
K1NO2 1 month ago
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pattywood317 1 month ago
@K1NO2 Wrong, when a flashover occurs, it is because the temperature in a specific area has reached a point that all objects within that area will combust, meaning everything in the room catches fire including the people inside. So by venting above the area you allow the heat to escape, which in turn allows the temperature in that area to drop keeping the firefighters inside safe from combusting.
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 Also spraying water into a room with significant heat causes... that's right steam, steam will fill a space through expansion and cause the people inside to get burned which is why you dont spray down through a hole or in through a window with people inside, spraying the bricks which is soaking up the heat in the room will cool through thermal convection.
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 First of all: I'm a fireman! And let me say this: yes, venting allows the heat to escape. But also adds oxygen to the fire, and that is one of the things needed to create a flashover (oxygen+fuel+heatsource = fire). But as a fireman, I can also say that a hoseline up on the roof is VERY appropriate. I would have knocked those flames down in a minute or two. Cause in sweden, we know how to deal with flashovers BEFORE they occure!! (Not saying the're idiots, just saying...)
K1NO2 1 month ago
@K1NO2 I am also a Firefighter, and yes it is true with oxygen heat and fuel you create fire, the fire is already there, what causes flashover is temperature not oxygen, thus removing heat from an area reduces the temperature in that area, by your logic it would have been just as sufficient to have a fire extinguisher up there to "knock the flames down", using the fire extinguisher by your logic would interrupt the chemical chain reaction needed to sustain a fire.
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 You did say they where idiots for not wanting to spray water down a ventilation hole and not burning their brothers or sisters in the room, I don't know how you guys do it in Sweden but I can honestly say I wouldn't want to be on an engine company attacking a fire while your up there venting.
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 I'm not saying a fire extinguisher would knock that fire down. A hoseline with a fog nozzle however would. It's quite simple: use a fog (but it takes some skills to pull it off) to cool the superheated gases the second that hole is open. Then the flashover won't accure. If it however does accour a fog nozzle can also be used to knock it down by using larger drops of water. A lot of departments in the US uses it with great success. Others don't, cause they don't know how to use it.
K1NO2 1 month ago
@K1NO2 There are already firefighters inside the building attacking the fire, its the job of the ladder crew to ventilate above the fire, since when does a ventilating crew bring a hose line up with them during an attack, the fog stream would be used in the room, and in actuality you want to use a straight stream to absorb more heat, the fog stream would steam up the more surface area of water you provide the more heat you can absorb
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 the point is you dont spray water into a build as a defensive measure when you still have firefighters inside the building you can burn them, drown them cause exterior structures to collapse on them.. the only thing i see they could have done different is not put the stick up you can clearly see the power lines touching but i cant say they didnt shut those power lines down first as goes with any of this video your talking about how it should have been done but you werent there
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 WRONG. Since I don't know Farremheit that well, I'm gonna say this in degrees Celsius. Water turns into steam by 100 degress C. A fire and gases are HOTTER than that, maybe 400-1000. So steam is better than hot gases. Second of all the water turning into steam takes energy from the gases/fire and casing it to cool down a bit. And last of all: since when is it wrong to bring a hoseline to the fire? It doesn't matter what crew your on. If fire, bring water.
K1NO2 1 month ago
@K1NO2 The propper method would be for the engine crew to find the fire, cool down the hot gases, maybe throw some water at the flames to keep it down. THEN you make the hole, and the chance of a flashover is less then before. Also, drowning the house with a canon (on the ladder) causes so much water damage, that it's not even worth fighting the fire any more. THe place will have to be demolished anyhow. Now I'm off to fight a fire - the say it's supposed to be done. PEACE!
K1NO2 1 month ago
@K1NO2 Okay, im going to try and make this as simple as possible. The engine shows up attacks the fire, the ladder shows up at the same time or shortly after and begins to vent, at what point did the ladder truck get hose lines. So the engine is attacking the job of the engine is to attack, find the fire put it out. The ladders are searching the interior for rescue as well as ventilating above the fire, agreed?? Now if you go and spray water in from the outside what happens to the
atech34 1 month ago
@atech34 people inside? They get cooked. What you just responded, is exactly what I've been telling you the whole time, your original statement claimed what they did was wrong and that they where idiots. Now if they are dumping into a building from outside which is defensive, when do you go into a defensive mode? When the fire is out of control right? So seeing as how a flashover occurred even though the room was being attacked with hose lines from inside, as well as being vented..
atech34 1 month ago
Was this a practice fire?
MrGorddrog 1 month ago
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sgaudet42tigers 2 months ago
Im not a fire fighter, but why are they spraying the bricks and not the fire???
mcnowski 2 months ago
@mcnowski Cool it down.
Neithie 2 months ago
@sfdss39.. the customer is second. personal safety is first
erskj123 2 months ago
***Past CANT be changed*** Kind of ironic. lol
sfdff39 2 months ago
firehouses and cutting firefighters. Its because we are starting to care more about if we have our safety vest over our turnout coat or that everyone is buckled up before the firetruck leaves the firehouse instead of what our most important job duty is. To protect life and property and serve our community in a time of need.
sfdff39 2 months ago
We need to stay agressive and we need to train hard. We need to fight to protect everything we can from fires. Some peoples personal possesions are all they may have. Saving a single picture could mean the whole world to somebody. By being agressive and putting the "costumer" first we keep our reputation as being the ones people can rely on. You change that mentality and it goes against everything we stand for. Then you wonder why so many people wont even think twice when it comes to closing
sfdff39 2 months ago
luding the homeowner. Our job isnt to stand around with the homeowner. Its to put the fire out. The costumer comes first. Im not saying be stupid and do things that are completely crazy like crawling into a room that flashed to try searching for somebody or anything like that but the "stand back and watch it burn because the flames are shooting out the roof" mentality that some officers are pushing more and more these days dont make us any more effective than the homeowner holding a garden hose.
sfdff39 2 months ago
Should they be upset about this fire? No. The fire went out and everyones alive but they should look at how they could have done this differently. The past can be changed, but it can help us learn for the future. A fire in the attic venting out 3 holes in the roof should be easily knocked down from inside. Does anyone know exactly why they evacuated? Dont tell me its because the fire started blowing out the vent holes. You have to be agressive. Anyone can stand in the road and watch the fire inc
sfdff39 2 months ago
You can't go by the book on every fire because every fire is different. The layout of the house, the material that is burning, how long it has been burning, the type and amount of equipment available, water supply, and so many other things can come into play when dealing with what you may think to be the run of the mill fire. Only 20 plus years of fire experience will ever reveal that to you because it aint in the book!
yank2441 2 months ago
There are too many snotty nosed twenty-something year old Monday morning arm chair quarter backs in this business who think they are Gods gift to firefighting. What are the three most important factors to this incident? 1. Did anybody loose their life? From what I understand, everyone involved lived. 2. Was the incident stabilized? Yes, the fire went out. 3. Was any of the property saved? Yes. Life Safety, Incident Stabilization, and Property conservation in that order and no other!
yank2441 2 months ago
lol wtf who ever is in control of that water hose is doing a great job of avoiding that fire. WE dont want to put out that fire.
DidilyCOD 2 months ago
lol wow.... im no firefighter but.... I find it really funny how many guys are sitting there just looking at the thing burn!
beatchildproductions 2 months ago 2
@beatchildproductions you may have got reply's but here is mine.the 3 long air horn blasts are to leave the building because the conditions inside the house are to dangerous.so the guys that were doing inside work came out so that is why their are so meany guys standing around
stankerfilmes 2 months ago
U have to be kidding me. Y don't I order u guys a fucking pizza while u sit around on the roof. Do u guys ever heard off a pike pole and pull some ceiling on that second floor to expose the addic for the pipeman. May be next time use your manpower more wisely and send 2 to the roof and 2 in with poles. I'm sure the home owner was real proud of u guys on this total fuck up. U guys obviously don't go to many fires, so my suggestion is better training and less sitting on your butts watching TV.
chgofiresqd5 3 months ago in playlist fire close calls
@chgofiresqd5 Our lives before your personal possesions bro, im sure if there was an easier way to do tat that also took less time, the IC would radio to them in a heartbeat...
taylorlaforge0413 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 Lets try this again. 1st:Fire tactics is done prior to the working fire. U don't learn them or better yet be told them at the fire by a IC. 2nd-Reading the smoke conditions apon arrival will tell u if it is a content fire or a structure fire. This allows the officer to put in play his plan of attack, for fire suppression and search/rescue. 3rd: Truck ops should be 2-to the roof and the officer and 1-FF in the front door with the Eng. Co. for seaches and suppression together.
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 as I can see manning is not a issue here if 4 Truck Co. guys can sit and stare into the hole. 4th; After primary searches have been completed the truck inext task is to open the plumbing walls, exterior walls and ceiling in all rooms on fire. 2nd Truck is to place a second ladder to the rear roof for the first truck and then go inside the structure and AGAIN pull ceiling, open walls looking for fire extension. 2nd eng. leads out 2nd line off the still eng to the SECOND FLOOR.
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 Hey Taylor u still with me so far. 5th; By now the first truck and second truck companys should be in the upstairs rooms exposing the ADDIC SPACE. The 2 roof men should have radioed the conditions on the roof by know. With this info this tells u how many upstairs rooms have to be pulled. In this video the fire traveled up the plumbing wall to the addic space. A good truckman will go to the 2nd floor bathroom toilet side and expose the plumbing wall.
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 6th; As I said earlier the 2nd engine company has a line upstairs with the truckmen. Working together this fire would have been put out with no problem. I won't even comment on the master stream into the brick for a good 5 min. Because it would not be needed if this fire was attacked correctly. By the way the next time the main (ladder on the truck)is in motion u don't SIT DOWN but you GET OFF. your lucky he did not get hurt. Now thats what the IC should have told u.
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 Taylor learn to take criticism or u will never make it on this job buddy. Take this tactic that I just shared with u and train with it. Maybe next time your company will save more then just the foundation of a house. Always remember a good Truck or Squad is made up of men with 2 main things; Be able to think out of the box under pressure and a good set of BRASS BALLS !!! If u don't have that then do us all a favor and stay on the Ambulance passing out band-aids. That is all.
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
@chgofiresqd5 watch out everybody, we have a badass over here
taylorlaforge0413 2 months ago
@taylorlaforge0413 once again you proved to everyone on what type of person you are and your age. Now I see why you made the statement about waiting for the IC to tell you what to do. It's because you don't know what to do and you can't think for yourself in a fire situation. I hope that battery on your radio never fails, but then again u will never be the one inside the building anyway. Grow up son and be a student of the game, its not about being a badass bro. Good luck to you Talyor
chgofiresqd5 2 months ago
stay off the fucking roof!!!
TheDavid88ful 3 months ago
ok next thing y is ur master stream on 4 3 mins b4 it hits any water??? and who the hell placed a truck touching the powerlines??? and whos the dummy that thought it was ok to climb up said ladder ??? not smart
capt1551 4 months ago
idk y i watch these types of video they get me so annoyed ... 1) y is there 5 ffs hanging out on the roof after they vented?? cut the hole and get off the roof ; u just compromised the structure of the roof and given the fire a spot to come out so get off theres nothing more u can do up there if ur PASS alarm is going off ur not doing enough work not to mention no roof ladders... the 2nd set of guys did it the right way good job ... ok next thing WHAT R U SPRAYING???
capt1551 4 months ago
wow people could be harsh, im sure everyone so quick to judge has made mistakes or dumb decisions, that being said, it appears to be a rippin attic fire, no worries, the vent holes are doing what they are supposed to be doing, no need to panic, just pull some celing and things here should go smoothly, not much risk for any further unexpected condition changes, just pull down some celing and get after it! stay safe out there guys and girls!
gerthwetherford 5 months ago
itd be nice if the hose wasn't missing the flame
TheLCPD 5 months ago
Uhmm..is that ladder touching the power lines at 4:42??
JohnDH1977 5 months ago
Wow, just horrible. Not much else to add but just horrible. The only good thing I guess is I hope no one got hurt.
lovesamadams 5 months ago
Not a single roof ladder up there. Dumb dumb dumb.
mememe123xyz 6 months ago
@mememe123xyz yo dickhead look on the side of the house
joemagliari 3 months ago
@joemagliari
Yo, dickhead, learn what a roof ladder is. Because it's not a ladder that is just leaning against the house. That's just a ladder.
Idiot.
mememe123xyz 3 months ago
@joemagliari
Jesus, all I can do now is sit here & ponder as to why you had to go & make yourself look stupid. A roof ladder is a ladder /w a hook(s) on the end that sits up on top of the roof. The hooks go over the ridge of the roof. Firefighters stand near (I don't leave the damn things) the ladder while doing ventilation. So that if shit hits the fan while doing ventilation (e.g. the roof collapses) the firefighter can hopefully b saved by the roof ladder because it's hooked to the ridge.
mememe123xyz 3 months ago
water on fire=knockdown water on building= a wet building
mattwendt08 6 months ago
@mattwendt08 water on fire with firefighters in building= burnt firefighters
shortfireman0609 3 months ago
Looks like the fire attack team didn't check for extension, nor did they monitor the interior for changing conditions with a charged line standing by...shame on the company that flowed the master stream while members were still inside...from the looks of the video it looked like a pure attic fire with good visibilty inside the structure...don't understand why all the mistakes occured.
SxyLexy2112 7 months ago
this is so bad they chose the surround and drown method over a well coordinated attack & vent . they could have saved that house and now they've got all that water in their house.
tylorsalonia 7 months ago
i just graduated fire 1 and isnt it dangerous to start pumping all the water from the deck gun into the house when an interior attack is still being conducted? thats like a main rule right? never preform and offensive and defensive attack simelanteously?
tylorsalonia 7 months ago
i would b pissy if i was interior and they flowed the ladderpipe i try not to judge by watching utube but they diffenetly messed up on this onee but hopefully they will take this fire criteic it and learn what went good aswell as went bad stay safe brothers
mrpotatohead8989 9 months ago
wow!! waay to be putting the water on the fire there thats awesome way to use water
bartlettff 9 months ago
Let's take pictures of the house we just destroyed because of:
a.) Improper apparatus placement
b.) Improper ventilation (in the middle of the roof??!?!! Seriously?!?!?)
c.) Too many observers, not enough water... there were enough hoses around.
d.) Another issue: What kind of accountability system is - "Let's find out if we have anyone inside."
AprilGirl25 10 months ago 2
I'm not sure Flashover is the right term to be used here.
cmc2281 10 months ago
Looks like poor apparatus placement. If that engine Had pulled past the building the truck would have had perfect access. And whats with the ladder pipe flowing before the all out had been sounded? Looks like some basic tactics have been forgotten. I agree with the other statements that tis could have been handled with a couple handlines and at most maybe a 2 1/2
cmc2281 10 months ago
Evacuate why? It's vented and you know where it is. Pull ceilings and get handlines in there.
jacobeast1 10 months ago
Glad I don't live in this town !! holy crap,,,
captbrutus 10 months ago
why does it take 10 years to get the deck gun up into place? just wasting water when your washing the bricks and not hitting the seat of the fire!!!
wwjdharley 11 months ago
1). Might want to use a roof ladder, call me crazy but that roof isn't 100% to have guys walking around when there are flames.
2). What took so long to get water flowing?
G2Dallas 11 months ago
If you post a video like this you have to know your your gonna get your ass handed to you. Take you lumps, learn from it and never do it again. Make the appropriate vent in the appropriate location when the proper size hoseline is in place and charged. Open up and put out the fire. This is not rocket science boys. At the end of the day as long as everyone goes home consider it a learning experience.
RES1CUEB 11 months ago
I wasnt there and niether were 98% of you who have commented on this. SHIT goes bad, it happens. Wasn't the best fire ground ops anybody has seen but, it can be used as a video of what not to do. Listen we all do this job to the best of our ability, some days we rock and some days we flop. It has happened to the best of us. I really think what happens is some of the young guys get on here, who think they know more than they do, and think it is there right to say something hatefull.
drumright121 11 months ago
Boys! this is a simple roof fire ! Once the fire starts & ventalation is done! go under pull the ceiling & spray the water !!!
Dont be afraid
Kevin 54-2 Montreal fire
lab0010 11 months ago
Boys! this is a simple roof fire ! Once the fire starts & ventalation is done! go under pull the ceiling & spray the water !!!
Dont be afraid
Kevin 52-2 Montreal fire
lab0010 11 months ago
@lab0010 Your saying they should enter the house and go under the fire?? Probably not the best plan in my opinion
kunzy04 11 months ago
@kunzy04 better then above the fire, you have to get to it some how. you always have to be worry of those light weight truss homes though.
pilot4life15 10 months ago
@kunzy04 It absolutely is the best plan. The idea is to blow heat, flame, and smoke UP out of the holes you made in the roof not DOWN into the structure and spreading it around to parts of the house that aren't involved. This house is totaled and it didn't need to be if a determined truck and engine got in there, pulled drywall and ceilings, and put the fire out the right way. Amateurs surround and drown; firemen gut it out until there ain't no getting inside.
jacobeast1 10 months ago
@jacobeast1 I see your point, they should have been in there before it got bad, once it got out of hand it becomes a risk vs reward situation.
kunzy04 10 months ago
@kunzy04 Very true. If you look at the windows on the lower floors though, it isn't banked down. Or it doesn't look like it is. From the outside it looks like a typical attic job that should've been put out from the interior. But, I wasn't there so I guess it's a bit pompous of me to armchair quarterback. Apologies. A hundred things could've been going on in there that we can't see on video.
jacobeast1 10 months ago
Looks like the vent did it's job, they didn't need to hang out on the roof as long as they did, it looks like there was a fan on somewhere with that amount of "blowing" fire, but I wasn't there
jimdaddy7 11 months ago
glad no one got hurt :)
ohiomooos100 1 year ago
looks like a safe place for the tower ladder to be....right under power lines......poor firefighting in every aspect
bbbuuurrrnnn 1 year ago
What the hell are they doing with that master stream?
Flapjack484 1 year ago
@Flapjack484 It looks like they are washing off the bricks on the side of the house...
miniredreward 1 year ago
what was the ladder pipe hitting, besides a brick wall? All those guys on the roof is kinda scary.... 1 guy with a saw and correct training as to how to open the roof and things would have gone much more efficiently. Stay safe.
Truck11Productions 1 year ago
Just to add my 2 sense in..............before you jump all over everyone in htis video maybe you should know that Lodi the previous day fought a warehouse job for 17hours. Mutual aid was brought in from over 15 departments to battle the fire and cover the town. Cut the guys some slack.............at least they show up as volunteers. Things go wrong sometimes, things happen.......
bmxking1504 1 year ago
I agree with the power lines and the stick. I'm unsure why the wall was being pounded with water. I saw someone had ask that and the reply had to do with the power lines, was your tank to pump stuck open??? If you had that heavy of fire upon arrival then you should have thought about pulling a 2 1/2" I'm aware they are heavy but they work and carry alot of water. Big fire big water and work smart not hard are good to live by. This would make a good "not what to do" training video....
dirtrider20021 1 year ago
i thought the point of venting is do it when you got water on the fire, or else your just going to make it worse....
jacobstern14048 1 year ago
that was not flash....that was just introducing the correct air/fuel ratio to the fire.
lil400exman 1 year ago
this had to be a controlled burn, or a sorry bunch of firefighter, there was a second tower to the left that wasnt flowing water!.....why? no hose attack from the ground, and everyone is really relaxed on the ground, doesnt happen when your letting a fire get out of control!!
chuckiler1974 1 year ago
Really Really!!!!!!!! Come on!!!!! Fags
sfoster206 1 year ago
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I noticed alot of things that went wrong... it looked like they were parked right under a powerling and a firefighters head was right under one and had to duck 4:13
MD540kr3w 1 year ago
@MD540kr3w Those are not power lines he ducks under it is either phone or CATV.. Power lines are always the top bunch on the pole
jaynct 1 year ago
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MD540kr3w 1 year ago
Is there any point of pounding the wall with the aerial monitor?? please enlighten me, as it seems to be not only a waste of water, but causing a bunch of un necessary water damage? maybe aim it at the fire?
Darbalarb1 1 year ago
@Darbalarb1 if u noticed that the power lines were really close to that ladder. i would assume that they were making sure they didnt touch it,
losthope219 1 year ago
gotta be a bunch of untrained volunteers!
ffnva30 1 year ago
@ffnva30 Ignorance at it's best.
esky15 1 year ago
@ffnva30 wat an ignorant statement. i gaurantee there are plenty of volunteers that do a way better job than u and ur fire dept does. just bc ur career doesnt mean u understand fire behavior and firematics. trust me i garuantee vollies can run circles around some of u guys.
company2brookside 1 year ago
@company2brookside As usual the ignrance is you.. First of all the word What is spelled with an H.. Secondly "firematics?"... not a word and finally I am a 16 yr veteran firefighter but I started out as a volunteer and if YOU weren't so ignorant and focused on what I said, I did not say "all volunteers" I said "untrained volunteers" There is a difference!! I believe there are well trained and very capable volunteers out there. So next time you make a comment.. think abt rhat! Firematics! lol
ffnva30 1 year ago
@ffnva30 u gotta see how u came out. u might not have meant wat u said, but u just came out wrong. my bad if u meant different. and firematics isnt a word? where are u from? of course it is, its common word used in every fire house especially in new york. It might not be in the dictionary but trust me it is. Get active and maybe you would hear it more. lol im joking, chill dont blow a fuse.. just bustin ur balls.
company2brookside 1 year ago
Well if you knew something about ICS, which you proved you dont, you would realize its not the volunteers decision of where are what to do...
MrMachineGunner 1 year ago
well they got the fire to vent! vertical ventilation isnt always necessary, and it appears this case might have proved that!!!
kb7obm 1 year ago
way to drag the fire across the house douchnozzles.
and once a hole is cut, your job is done. quit being glory hog roof shephards.
tools, this is why we have so many lodd's, retards like that, and chiefs that let them.
captaincritisizm 1 year ago
@captaincritisizm true dat lmao
workou2 1 year ago
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ok not to sound mean but the guy who walked under that line on the ladder truck towards the end of this clip was stupid
mcjm52309 1 year ago
ok night to sound mean but wtf.. the guy that climbed under that line on that ladder truck towards the end of this vid was stupid
mcjm52309 1 year ago
Note: not to be off subject but at time 4:41 a firefighter climbing the aerial ladder has to duck under power lines but his SCBA ends up touching the line. It looks to me like there was more than one close call in this video.
P.S. Thank you for posting. Its good to see these sort of situations some fire departments don't get the opportunities to see many fires first hand.
jrdoubtjr 1 year ago
@jrdoubtjr Knew the power was off, maybe?
holyfuckjustsignmeup 1 year ago
UK is the best because they don't get any real fires. Your building construction codes and fire codes.. wont aloow it!! ha
ffnva30 1 year ago
"checkin whos in the house and whos not " is called accountability!!
ffnva30 1 year ago
@Tiksop Every fire in America don't fight fire the same here and for you to assume that is your lack of knowledge American fd . Every firemen thinks their department is the best and that's sad to hear. I've seen videos of the UK fd and their not any better. It's all about training and you should know that. (32 year vet.)
korreyta 1 year ago
Thats it boys, that front wall was real dirty keep washing it. If your going to vent a fire like that have all the means of tackling the fire in place ready. The American method of fire fighting still amazes me to this day.
Thankfully I spent 32 years in the best fire service in the world. UK
tiksop 1 year ago
@ryanlovesthecock< Whatever dude. Learn to spell and MAYBE you'll be taken seriously.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago 2
Why the insitance on venting before the fire is under control? Why was the building lost before water was put on the fire? school boy stuff.
watershed2100 1 year ago
why is nobody putting water in the fire
onekeypianoplayer 1 year ago
Dkb you don't spray water through a ventilation hole. It not only pushes heat down onto the firefighters inside. It also defeats the purpose if water goes in it does not vent... Also those fighters should have a roof ladder or not be on the roof just standing there... That's a collapse accident waiting to happen.
Soltan87 1 year ago
im a little confused as to why the hose line on the ladder isnt on the fire?
dkbmtilley 1 year ago
Retards
xerbud 1 year ago
i was actually there watching it
danic98 1 year ago
Good job, you found the fire....now go put it out?
gotgank 1 year ago 2
It is amazing to watch 30 firefighters standing around when two attack lines would have knocked down that fire in minutes. Attic fires are nothing to be afraid of, especially when lines are already in place in the interior. Embarassing to watch.
kth611 1 year ago 18
@kth611< The true embarrassment is the fact that it wasn't really an attic fire, it was a patio fire. The covered porch caught fire and lit the corner of the house, the fire was out and as you saw nothing but steam was coming out the top floor windows and these assholes decide to cut holes on all four sides of the roof letting in all kinds of fresh air and wind. Like a bellows that new air fired up the embers and they lost the house as you saw in the vid.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
one of the worst fire fighting videos i have ever saw ! what the fuck are they thinking ?? and wheres that jet of water going at 2 mins 16 to 14 mins ?? absolutely no idea !
440gray 1 year ago 2
So, is this how its done in the States. Pretty bloody piss poor. What amazed me was the number of firefighters that rolled out of the building...what were they doing in there?? having a union meeting. What was that water stream doing directed at the brick wall?? Was the guy taking pictures a firefighter or a bystander? Not that it matters... non of the firies seemed to do anything anyway.
Good job fellas!! you make us all very proud!
mickichef 1 year ago
This particular ventilation was the REASON for the fire deterioration. The windward hole actually fed O2 into the attic. These guys would be better PYROS, actually! IC is to blame for not picking up on this right away!
TequilaJoeID 1 year ago
This particular ventilation was the REASON for the fire deterioration. The windward hole actually fed O2 into the attic. These guys would be better PYROS, actually! IC is to blame for not picking up on this right away!
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gdtrfb81 1 year ago
AWESOME, I finally found a GREAT video of Ventilation gone wrong to show my fire 1 students.
P.S you should really take this video off You Tube and burn it, and make sure that the homeowners insurance company does not get a hold of it.
xbones09 2 years ago 16
@xbones09
I am glad you are going to use this video for training. All I ask is that you give me the appropriate credit. Thank you
OLDIRONSIDESWAY 1 year ago
@OLDIRONSIDESWAY i wouldnt say you have to burn it, just remove the address of the home.
paintballzhurt 1 year ago
@xbones09 so, what exactly went wrong ? if you dont mind me asking ..
dakabigdog 1 year ago
@xbones09
Problem seems they were defensive on what should have been a agressive interior attack. as for the vent it did its job, maybe one cut instead of multible cuts and and closer to the ridge pole would have been more effective. IMO a few truckies pulling ceiling with a charged hoseline inplace would have knock this fire with no problem. Its easy to monday night quarterback, we all have a bad day. All in all fire went out nobody seemed to be hurt other then a few ego's. Good job guys
EXTREMETRUCKIE 1 year ago
@xbones09 and they did what wrong?
ArmyRescue2 1 year ago
@xbones09 haha, i was just thinking that, im in fire 1 right now and we just got done ventilation but i wanted to see a good example of ventilation (epecially when the scenerio changes rapidly like this) on a fire scene.
guitarjoe1234 11 months ago
Nice job- vertical ventilation works
usardave 2 years ago
@firengn011: Vertical ventilation could still be needed even if the windows are busted out. Why they decided to cut the hole there is beyond me, though.
marley54fd 2 years ago
@ 910Juan: the guy wasn't told to watch his head because of the power/phone/cable lines. He was talking about the ladder behind him which is why the guy looked over his shoulder and behind himself when he squatted. The guy on the ground even says "Watch your head, he's getting ready to swing around".
raidermp 2 years ago
@raidermp If the primary fire body is ABOVE the windows (which seems the case here, looks like an attic fire, since I do not even see smoke coming out of main floors), then the broken windows BELOW the fire will actually make it worse for conditions above. Ya gotta open up that roof fast, and in the right place, and have water READY before the ladder co. exits. The minute the personnel are off, HIT IT! And make sure personnel are OUT of fire building prior to master stream ops. Very simple.
TequilaJoeID 1 year ago
@raidermp, The term used was, "Watch that headache". it's an industry term. ;)
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
I don't really understand the need for vertical ventilation when every window in the place is busted. It just seems to be putting the ladder Co. in a precarious situation for no better reason than the chief didn't know what else to do. But hey what do I know I work in Alabama and ride a rescue not a truck.
firengn011 2 years ago
Yeah the bucket on the left, nice way to get your self cooked like a damn hotdog next to the wires. and if your gonna go defensive at least hit the fire coming from the roof. Good call on the chief for pullin them out before anyone got hurt.
dougnasty5 2 years ago
ur not going to cook urself on telephone and cable wires, which are the bottom wires, no threat here.
morgzi 2 years ago
Thats too bad that they could not put it out from the inside. It was just an attic fire right?
copethehagen 2 years ago
i dont get it why they dont spray the fire?\
schaminwhalen 2 years ago
Did anyone else notice that the ladder was placed dangerously close to the electrical lines. There was also a fire fighter walking across the top of the fire truck and was told to watch his head because of his helmet touching the electrical lines. Hmm Maybe they will use this as a training aid for what NOT to do on scene. Great video though.
910Juan 2 years ago
There not electrical lines. Its tel and cable wires. The electric lines are at the top of the pole not at the bottom.
erheatingcooling 2 years ago 2
115V isn't "that" dangerous
Neutron939 2 years ago
Amazing!
RobCurtisPhoto 2 years ago
upon arriavl the first engine thier encountered heavy fire blowing out from the first floor windows and the rear of the structure and the back second floor windows and it took longer for crews to gether cause school was just letting out at that time and hydrante problems accord during this time
fflruffeljr 2 years ago
take it from a guy who was i the house cuz this kid was
btfilmproduction 2 years ago
That wasnt a flashover just a result of wholes in the roof
dangerjp 2 years ago
DFVFD LOL
JACKCOURT 2 years ago
what a bunch of fuckn pussies they all need to be fired that fire should have been out minutes after they arrived . If we pulled some shit like that at my dept we would get laughed plum out of the city wonder if there asses got sued for that one.
pfde68 2 years ago
Dude, wasn't "seconds" like you said, please, plenty of time. Simple attic fire, get a line in, you are such a drama queen
usrbid 2 years ago
Whats the problem? Why are there tower ladders operating? Whatever made the attic flash dosnt matter, looks like improper vent but i wasnt there, how bout a line to the top floor operating into the attic? This is a simple attic fire at this point. I dont see why the line could not be relocated and operated into the attic..
Fd16ns 2 years ago
well the fire could be lower inside the walls 2 who knows guess only the firefighters there would no but attic fire like basement fires arnt simple they r extremely dangerous
sledneckzl600 2 years ago
i can tell you the fire was blowing out the every window by the time the fd got thier
fflruffeljr 2 years ago
At least they had the common sense not to blast a thousand gpm into a vent with brothers still on interior attack.
fish7400 2 years ago
wow what a cluster fuck.
fdbuff209 2 years ago 2
All I have to say is, WOW!!!
daithi1075 2 years ago 3
so this is the Dumbfuckerville Fire Department. I've heard of them.
rdbradleyjr 2 years ago
@rdbradleyjr < That's right, and they're located in Dumbshit New Jersey. Idiot's, the fire was out and they cut up they roof !?!. Morons could have used their hoses and fogged the smoke out the gables while the rest of the team overhauls the attic. But no, they decide to feed the embers with free flowing, well vented air essentially making the roof a pile of camp kindling. Like the guy outside said, "used to be a house".
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
our chief would have fired us all for some shit like that!
oldseven230 2 years ago
How stupid can the driver of the ladder get. Lets be smart and put the stick up a few inches from the power lines. Then hes gonna retract the stick with people on it. WTF Has anyone heard of Aerial Ops? This is a good example of bad truck work.
wvfdfirefighter08 2 years ago
why so many brothers inside??????????????
JTACIJ 2 years ago
Poor job boys...Poor job
never did see a flash
poor aerial ops
Is this a scab operation?
tcat2884 2 years ago
ya i never saw it flash either just poor venting added the one thing fire needs oxygen and pow it went up
pfde68 2 years ago
this is not a flashover, the resulting