Gulf of Tonkin: McNamara admits It didn't happen.

[chiggero]

2:50 "That's the best I can give you Dave, sorry." And like that, cue the war.

[74pbg]

So many people die others now addicted from heroin or commit suicide, all because of a lie! Your government is a bunch of idiots and liars, who killed their own citizens! And who know's if even 9/11 was really an Insidejob!

[AmalDiedHere]

"Oh, no doubt about that... I think. No doubt about that."

Whatttt??? He thinks???

Unbelievable. 

[WhistlingTube]

What about WTC7? Oh that was a fire that had nothing to do with the other 2 buildings falling down on the same morning... right.

[TheSilkyJohnston]

Look its not a conspiracy anymore it's real even today there still evil and brainwashing

[ManFromMelbourne]

This fact was once just labelled a conspiracy theory by the skeptics. Now that it`s a proven fact, admitted by McNamara, where are the skeptics now to debate the issue with us?

[nintendo007]

@ManFromMelbourne Hiding from the truth and not admitting they were wrong like Pussies. 

[BillofRightsBrutus]

This video clip pales even to the now de-classified documents, and surely there are still classified ones to this day. Read the NSA files ( nsaDOTgov/public_info/_files/g­ulf_of_tonkin ). The whole thing was horrendous. I struggled to find one positive thing about the decision made. That said, the decision to go forward at all was one thing; to allow what escalated another entirely. 58k thousand American lives never should have been jeopardized never mind lost or left behind. RIP

[TheExMarineCop]

This man, and several others are guilty of the murder of 58.000 American young men and women. As well as millions of North Vietnamese.

[hooplah1205]

So was Hitler defeated or not?!

[AllPro777]

@hooplah1205

Unfortunately no. After he won, he then appointed Mrs. Claus as Sexetary Of Head.

[Virus278]

:22 "we recovered peices of North Vietnameese shells". Where did those peices come from?

[RWT683]

@Virus278 They came from Langley, Virginia.

[mariogreymist1991]

Y'all do realize he didn't say the Gulf of Tonkin incident didn't happen in that clip, right? The "incident" generally refers to the two attacks, and he only admits that the second did not occur.

[iboqi]

@mariogreymist1991 Its important to highlight Daniel Ellsbergs Secrets: A MEMOIR OF VIETNAM AND THE PENTAGON PAPERS. Since his first day of work with the defense department was actually on Aug 4 (second attack) he was immediately exposed to the administrations lies. They basically said, we have been attacked, so we counter attacked, when actually it was the 34A ops, and provocative attempts to draw out NVC patrol boats by patrolling ~10 miles off the mainland, well within their seas borders.

[hwoods01]

So, the producers of the show & McNamara try to blame a ships captain for the decision by the President and McNamara to escalate.. Typical of a coward.

[geiuy]

no doubt about that....i think

[mistersmith6000]

At least 50 years later, an American statesman, the caliber of McNamara, says it straight. If Colin Powell followed suit, when he told the United Nations about those "WMD trucks" back in 2003, the world would be a safer place.

[PatriceFailslol]

im confused?? what happened then?

[PeyotePaul]

The first attack, where US ships WERE fired upon, did indeed happen. The second event, where US sailors supposedly sustained casualties is bullshit. So it was not a complete lie.... however! If you begin researching the Indo China doctrine and what we were doing over there in the Early 60's, then it's plain that WE started this war. Either way, it's unarguable that the government duped it's people and sent 58,000 to an unnecessary death. SMH

[exenrontexas]

I served TAD sometime after this and NO ONE that I met on the ship at the time believed they were attacked.

[1longtime]

The video intentionally ends to manipulate the message. The Aug 4th never actually happened, but the attack two days prior on Aug 2nd was real.

[sabreyow]

@1longtime read the comment above your comment and that will answer your question,unless your a conspiracy theorist

[cruisersism]

This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

[eline65]

Keep in mind people. McNamera was talking about the 2nd incident on the August 4th. The original attack on August 2nd DID happen. It's confirmed by multiple intelligence reports.

The conflict was already started by the communist expansion efforts, this just made US involvement more direct.

[sinkosav]

NAZI FASCIST GOVERMNENT OF USA

[1Dreamking]

"No doubt about that.... I think."

[Ninety9Soulz]

Why doesn't stuff about this have more views? This is one of the biggest travesties in American history

[ocallaghan1916]

@Ninety9Soulz agreed

[zenithbeach]

@Ninety9Soulz cos people dont want the responsibilty that comes with knowing about stuff like that. theyd rather watch american idol.. thats much more patriotic..

[najma50000]

This proves that the govement will lie to get in to war...they also did it 9/11

[bostonironworker1]

@najma50000 STOP QUOTING JESSE VENTURA--DO YER OWN RESEARCH

[Depotman122]

The goverment never tells the truth. the federal goverment is too Powerful

Elect libertarians and revert to actually following the constitution before it is too late

[Bidds12]

One of my all time favourite documentaries.

[banq0o]

even if I was "normal" I would go crazy xD co cupid can ppl be .. chicken brain era  .. the more the merrier :D

[SuspiciousPatriot]

McNamara - "didn't happen".

Go tell that to the 1 million+ dead Vietnamese, to the 65 thousand dead US military, to the tens of thousands of wounded (both physically and mentally).

Go tell that to the American tax payer; just tell them they spent hundreds of billions (of borrowed money) on a lie.

[Detspokar]

@SuspiciousPatriot Well, American leaders then were liers, and the South Vietnam was corrupt! This lie cost many lives. America fought for nothing. . . .

[Danbo342]

@Detspokar

No, America did fight for something Even if was just for lies like this shit to come out they fought for something. I'm a Veteran and asshole uneducated comments like this piss me the fuck off. I have fought for my country and what I believe in. In some cases like this the troops were lied to because the GVT knows an American troop isnt just going to do it without purpose. They provided false purpose but the troops that fought and died still believed they were doing it for something

[Detspokar]

@Danbo342 Well, my comment was just an abstract of your buisness in the war. You fought for something yes, I was wrong, but I mean that you didn't achieved so much more than death and destruction in Vietnam. I have respect to you and many other individual cases if you really believed in something. But generally I really dislike the U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

[ocallaghan1916]

@Danbo342 the troops who fought and died in Vietnam and iraq for that case died because if a MISTAKE!!!

Vietnam = Alleged Gulf of Tonkin Incident

Iraq = Alleged WMD's

[kakompo]

MLADIC, McNAMARA ,BUSH,CHENEY, KISSINGER , PINOCHET, BLAIR... all war criminals. Mass killing is mass killing.

[conraddoavil]

@kakompo how is kissinger a war criminal? i thought there was peace after nixon pulled out of vietnam

[kakompo]

@conraddoavil One word..Angola. I think that sums it up why he's a war criminal.

[conraddoavil]

@kakompo what happened at angola?

[kakompo]

@conraddoavil What happened in Angola? Many things. Bing it google or wikipedia it . You will see.

[numbersvsalphabet]

@kakompo Ahem... ROTHSCHILDS, SCHIFFS, MORGANS, ROCKERFELLERS, WARBURGS... The real killers, the hands in the puppet!!

[kakompo]

NONE of the hijackers were IRAQI -- 9/11

I don't know of any AFGHANS among the hijackers.

THIRTEEN of the hijackers on 9/11 SAUDIS .

So why bomb IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN instead of SAUDI ARABIA?

[JewLoco]

Government is about trust. Do I trust any government, (especially in a world where everyone knows MONEY TALKS) ??

Hell No.

[duncan7599]

Even the Gulf Of Tonkin incident was a lie to draw us into Vietnam. Does our U.S. government tell the truth about anything? As an American I am beginning to doubt just about everything our government says and question everything it does. Its getting harder and harder to be patriotic to this country anymore. Its more like a geographical place where we live now.

[mccanninmotion]

OPIUM!!!

[Ryusuken55]

He said that the events of 4th august didn't happen.

But if this video was prolonged, you could see he also stated that the attacks on august 2 actually happened, while it was denied at the time.

Well, CLBanfield already wrote that...

And talking about 9/11 here is not really smart.

[ODDNOMAD]

the u.s. will never lie to us, they always tell the truth and its operatives are the most honest in the world :) foxnews never lies and they always tell the truth...baaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaaa lol. also if this video is the truth then the U.S. never lied to its civillians before and AFTER this incident :) baaaa baaaa baaaa. of course im being sarcastic

[express375]

bit like WMD"S

[lisamaria1972]

I have most of his books...very interesting stuff

[BlueMakarov]

The first event is not argued by Vietnam or the US. Nonetheless North Vietnam said the US was in North Vietnam Waters when it happened. The second attack of August 4 1964 event was a fraud and never happened. Even Crew Members of USS Maddox claimed the second Vietnamese attack never happened. There was no Vietnamese Patrol boats on the August 4 1964 incident. The US instigated the first event under Operation 34A and then completely lied about the second event.

[kingsbridge77]

I wonder if LBJ was naive of whether he was just playing dumb while knowing exactly that the event was a fabrication.

[centurion180ad]

Well BOB since you are intent on blabbering away in your psychopathic delusions, why in the Hell don’t you tell us all about Operational Plan 34A?

Please tell us all about the CIA supplied & trained Nasty Boats blasting the living daylights out of PRVN SHORE targets, while invading PRVN territorial waters.

[arttoeg]

I was shunted to cute as a button Rick's Rants several times while I was posting here, needing several attempts.

[arttoeg]

FoW is a curious production, more apologist than apology. McNamara's apology doesn't appear until scene 18, long after the best of attention spans of 50 minutes.

Virtually hidden history: Johnson's Address to the Nation, August 4, 1964, in which he admitted, then, that "There were no US losses." in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Google Gulf of Tonkin. That speech doesn't appear until page 10 of the list of links.

[arttoeg]

@arttoeg

And, in his "In Retrospect: the tragedy and lesson of Vietnam", McNamara refers to the information of "...no US losses." as an internal memo, even though it was broadcast and published as a US Presidential Address to the Nation.

[VinnyLT9000]

there hasn't been a legitiment "WAR" since the Civil War...

[TheEleventhIndian]

I'm just catching up to understanding this quagmire...Was the Gulf of Tonkin incident(s) and subsequent Congesssional resolutionn discussed or leaked through the publication of the Pentagon papers? Is today's wiki leaks akin to the same type of political and national security damage? I kinda get a sense that our "elected" officials are woefully unprpepared to "get ahead" of the "information/misinformation" struggle

[cochranexyz]

The Fog of War. Actually, it's the thickness of shit of war.

[guyNbluejeans]

This nightmare of a human being, McNamara, is what happens when citizens put their leaders on pedestals and don't question everything they do.

[Patriot0fTheRepublic]

To those of you who failed history, the Gulf Tonkin incident lead to the creation of the Gulf Tonkin Resolution - Giving the president (LBJ) a blank check for war, which before Vietnam required the majority vote, and declaration of war from congress. This lead to the decision that the president can send troops anywhere in the world with out the approval of congress for 3 months, and even then it only requires congressional approval - not a declaration of war.

[seinfeld11123]

LOL they sound very calm for being under attack, apparently alarms going off etc, would be so noisy, sounds like they were at a sunday breakfast at their favorite country club haha

[moh1612]

The problem with mainstream American society is not the president but who controls him and who can eliminate him if he doesn't do as he's told, just like a dog who misbehaves is suddenly punished and/or controlled by the owner. There is a common fear factor in what i just described. People like David Rockefeller, Rothchild's, Queen of England are the highest form of elites, if we expose these parasites, the world will be better off.

[moh1612]

JFK WAS THE ONLY REAL PRESIDENT, ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS SUCKED DONKEY BALLS, YOU CAN PUT MICKEY MOUSE IN OFFICE AND STILL GET A BRUTAL REGIME...WE MUST ELIMINATE THE PARASYTICAL ELITE'S WHO ARE CONTROLLING THE PRESIDENT'S ACTION....ALL OF YOU WHO R FOR WORLD PEACE ADD ME AS A FRIEND... I LOVE U ALL, MAY WE ALL CONTINUE TO DEFEAT CORRUPTION AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH

[KEVI3000]

@moh1612 thumps up

[moh1612]

IT WAS AN ADMITTED FALSE FLAG EVENT GUYS, SAME EXCUSE WITH IRAQ, THEY USE THESE FALSE FLAG EVENTS TO GET INTO WARS... PPL R WAKING UP FINALLY... FUCK CORPORATE AMERICA AND FUCKING BUSH REGIME, OBAMA IS FOR FUCKING SHIT, HE WORKS FOR THE GLOBAL ELITE THE SMOOTH TALKIN SON OF A BITCH.

[nofxmike06]

War will remain a constant reminder of human error and deception.

[animefareast]

something tells me, given the era of communications and the equipment of the period, that this was caused by a fog of war not a conspiracy as pushed by some of you non-military dumb fucks.

[animefareast]

The first incident with the Maddox did happen so guess what idiots, a retalliation strike was justified!

[uduman1]

2:48 - the dude sounds like Morgan Freeman...

[SixstringPlayR]

Sorry ,let me try that again.It has been since declassified,it didnt happen and it was fabricated.So McNamara was lying through his teeth here.

[SixstringPlayR]

Its been declassified now,its happen and the even was fabricated.Do some homework,lol.

[TheDirtball69]

@SixstringPlayR huh?

[directorwillie]

the fact that rob mcnamara, who later became a prominent council of foreign relations member admits this?!! he probably would of said the same thing about the 9/11 attacks eventually; but he recently died. may he Rest In Hell (RIH).

[partyshock]

@directorwillie

Amurcans just dont care how many foreigners die and how they die.

In fact, they dont even care about the soldiers they sent there to die.

In fact they only care about one person, themselves.

As long as they themselves dont get killed in some horrible way, they dont care.

They will cover everything with the blanket of patriotism

Nomatter how many innocent people got killed in what horrible way

They will follow their 'leaders'

[directorwillie]

@partyshock

AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE MOST FUCKED UP THING ABOUT YOUR COMMENT PARTYSHOCK?!

you're absolutely right.

[directorwillie]

@partyshock

in fact, i'll add to that, worse than the americans, are the foreigners who come to america, then get complacent because they can finally put food in their stomachs. And when you try to tell them the truth about this country, they don't want to believe it, then they start flag waving. america has been terrorizing americans for almost a century. but because it's not "them", they look the other way.

fools!

[stonebrownalien]

People will continue to call the illuminati a conspiracy theory, but litlle by little we find that the wars that have happened were not really necessary, the wars we are in right now arent necessary either, no weapons of mass destruction, and plus the fbi has no evidence linking bin laden to 9/11...but lets keep doubting our government..

[scoutcube1]

it didn't happen? so how did he hold the north vietnamese shells in his hands?

[ExtremeRecluse]

that is treason. He should be tried and punished accordingly.

[mechysonu2010]

i dont see those brainwashed american youtuber who actually think the north attacked first lol. the truth hurts thats why we dont see em her

[boricuamm707]

No doubt about that.. I think

Cmon really?

[BeLiketheSquerrl]

they don't teach about this in high school...

[MassacreBlast]

It didn't happen, wow what a surprise. So America killed millions of people because of something that didn't happen. You'd think you would be absolutely certain about something THAT serious before you went into a bloody war. It's obvious that it was something the US government wanted to hear and that was enough for them.

[mercury11043]

While RM says it didn't happen, I still think his recounting of the incident should put to rest the common leftist charge that somehow the Johnson administration made up the whole thing up as a convenient excuse to bomb NV and escalate the war. There was no deliberate plan, just confusion which led to a bombing response.

[vinnykster]

@mercury11043 no Mecury it absolutely positively did not happen. It's been well

documented. We were lied to about Vietnam. Just like we've been lied to about a great many things including 9 11.

[Quex01]

what is this, a history channel propaganda piece of shit? :D

[armageddon860]

I'm writting a paper for my History class where do i find the text of the declassifications?

[pushups2345]

@armageddon860 it should be on gwu's national security archive - but they portray it in wacky conspiracy form. also, the declassified reports are about 500 pages. you are better off sticking to mcnamara's summery here, or the summery given in the book "legacy of ashes: the history of the cia" by tim weiner

[Spadadiforza]

You mean to tell me that a sonarman can't tell the difference between torpedo props and the ships props in the water?!?!?!?! get him outta there!!!

Torpedo props have a much higher pitch than do ship props and these chumps should have known the difference.

The language being used by the brass disturbs me....speaking loosely so that when it comes time to pay the piper...the lowly sonar boys take the hit.

[whoo689]

Would it have killed McNamara and LBJ to have sent someone out to the actual Gulf of Tonkin to verify this incident rather than just supposedly trust the words of others? Of course, that's assuming they wanted to PREVENT war with Vietnam i nthe first place.

[WendingWayfarer]

oh sure, cut right before he reaffirms that the other attack was beyond dispute.

[kw1213]

the question is what did they tell the public at the time?

[CrystalHunter1989]

They told the public that the North had tried to blow up our ships. At the time, there was no way for the public to know anything else but what the media said.

[zenoist2]

Sounds familiar after 9/11.

[blite13]

This prick helped to kill Kennedy, Dulles and this prick wanted Johnson in cause Kennedy told him to go fuck himself. This guy is a TRAITOR and now he is trying to clear his conscience. FUCK HIM.

[vdvsoldat]

Very true. Just as Tonkin, JFK, OKC truths are NOW well known, someday hopefully all American Terrorist acts will be brought into the full light for all to see.

But even then, with a history of lies, Americans choose to have a short term selective memory and live in denial.

Truth hurts, and telling Americans that the American Dream is bullshlt is like telling a 5 year old that Santa Claus is not real.

[blite13]

LOL, yes you are right. The mind melting is scary. I think all of the worlds history is primarily false. Some know the truth and they use it against us, to control us. If we knew the truth, the "elite' who control us, would no longer control us. Question is, how do we get inside their walls of deceit?

[robertgileso]

it didn't happen-the single incident that made LBJ enact the vietnam war -never even happened.great ,in LBJ you had a wc fields president that sell magic potions which dont work.

[melyeaw267091]

"No doubt about it.... I think" how did a man like this become an admiral?

[chwd6]

Conditioned people think they can personally profit from wars. There's an alternative to being blind-conditioned patriot: living with a spirit freed from conceptualizing bullshits, be it religion, state, big ego, etc., with a natural conscience. Vietnam war, like 9/11, like Standard Oil company and others backing up nazism-supportive IG Farben cartel, have occurred with the recourse of real (known by some) lies, enriching a handful of billionaires promising support to those needing the latter.

[LiteWaiter]

McNamara, on the Bay of Tonkin incident:

"...It was just confusion. And evidence afterwards, showed, that our judgement, that we were attacked that day, was wrong. It didn't happen."

[jofrecari]

curious mr mcnamara wa later appointed head of the world bank, interesting choice

[blite13]

You mean just like Wolfowitz? Funny, those who mastermind events like this and the false flag of 911, get to be presidents of the World Bank. Now , you ever wonder why? They work their way up the chain, this is the gratitude they recieve when the Bankers/globalists get what they want. What they want is WAR, DEATH, MISERY,CONTROL...this guy helped kill Kennedy, Kennedy wanted to abolish the Fed Reserve..it all makes sense once you connect it all.

[ctcole77]

3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:

Since Larry Silverstein said "pull it", demolishing WTC 7 and collecting billions in insurance, why would the insurance company pay the claim if there's evidence of fraud?

Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?

How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in the summer of 2000?

[blite13]

Oh, those 3 questions mean that some Arabs took box cutters, killed four crews and hit 75% of their targets. No matter that they couldn't even fly a Cessna, but that plane that hit the pentagon , sure did some wild manuevers that most skilled pilots couldn't do. And, it means that 3 buildings collapsed all in the same manner and only 2 were hit by jets. All material from the buildings turned to dust and all that was left was steel beams. Yup, those questions sure clear it all up.....idiot.

[ctcole77]

Duh......Hani Hanjour rented and flew a cessna MONTHS before 911 moron. Plus, Hanjour's flight instructor VERIFIED Hanjour had enough training to make the turn and hit the Pentagon.

2 buildings collapsed after having a 400,000 lbs. jet slam into them at 520 mph.

The other building had HUNDREDS of TONS of concrete and steel fall onto it.

Not similiar collapses at all.

Yes, drywall, paper, furniture, & doors will turn to dust falling over 1000 feet to the ground.

blite13 DEBUNKED!

[blite13]

His instructor said he wasn't a very good pilot, that he would not rent out a plane to him. Don't lie. He never said he could make those manuevers =another lie. Stop lying, just because you lie, doesn't make it real. The towers were built to withstand a 707 hitting them, multiple times. NIST said that the damage to #7 had no BEARING ON THE COLLAPSE. All 3 buildings fell at the speed of gravity without resistence = impossible without some kind of help. Rubble should have many items still visible.

[WendingWayfarer]

false. Compare to items that visibly have nothing supporting them in the video and note that they fall faster. It is not in freefall.

[blite13]

Where does it say "freefall"? Speed of gravity, fell without resistence. That doesn't mean freefall.

[sjvietboy408]

The insurance company paid Larry Silvertein billions of dollars in insurance coverage before the 9/11 inside job theory came up. As for evidence, there are plenty of evidence that points to 9/11 as an inside job but was ignored. You point out a lot of nonsense defending the government but never point out the obvious coincidences that are unlikely to happen but did happened on 9/11.

[sjvietboy408]

There are more evidence pointing to 9/11 as an inside job more than there are that points to outside job. It doesn't matter who was in charge of WTC security as long they have someone in their club to take security of WTC on 9/11. More and more high ranking people are speaking out about 9/11 being an inside job, and there will be a day when these criminals is put to justice and there will be a day when you look yourself in the mirror and you'll see a donkey face in it.

[ctcole77]

THE STEP BY STEP HOW TO BE A 911 TWOOFER GUIDE:

1) Put a picture of Dr. Steven Jones on your nightstand. Dr. Steven Jones is GOD!

2) Educate yourself by watching ONLY Loose Change & Zeitgeist.

3) Troll through youtube typing INSIDE JOB on every 911 video.

4) Stand on the street corner yelling "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB", but refuse to explain HOW, WHO, and WHY.

5) Call anyone who challenges your theories sheep.

6) NEVER ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG. EVEN IF THE PEN IS BLUE, INSIST IT'S RED!

[sjvietboy408]

Maybe you just asked the wrong people, if you'd asked a well informed people that believes 911 was an inside job then maybe you would have learned something. Your step by step guide is hilarious and ridiculous at the same time how can someone even take it serious. There are hundreds of coincidence, evidence, and 911 first responders that shows 911 was an inside job. This is not enough to discredit nor debunk all that, it takes more than that.

[sjvietboy408]

Here's a step by step on how to have an educated political debate guide

1) Go grow a brain cell. That's about it, no need to continue since I doubt you can achieve the first.

[ctcole77]

3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:

Since Larry Silverstein said pull it, demolished WTC 7 and collected billions in insurance, why would the insurance company pay the claim if there's evidence of fraud?

If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 18 minutes after impact?

How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in June of 2000?

[wafcake]

@ctcole77 for question 2. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, and there was melted steel found afterward. But C4 is hot enough

[toneloco64]

This pen that I hold in my hand is RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR­RRRRRR Royal BLUE!!!!!!

HAHA so true. PPL never try to examine both sides from an objective viewpoint. Loose change is a bunch of puerto rican janitors saying "I hear explosion!!". Zeitgiest is full of unsubstantiated claims as well. Im not saying I trust the gov. but C'mon....

[MadMAn12gauge]

well see...there wouldn't be any of these conspiracy theories if our government was open and honest about everything, but since they like to keep secrets and hold back information...We will get conspiracy theories some off the wall but yet some correct....If we wern't used to being lied to all the time, maybe we would trust our government, but they are a bunch of Jews about everything so, we have to do our own investigations

[MattBaumann777]

That's some good spelling there. Did you drop out of Kindergarten?

[ctcole77]

What did I spell wrong?

Why are you sooooooo afraid of these questions?

[mdpk1]

Well there ya go, folks... Let's never trust em' again.. Oh wait!!!! woops.

[ManufacturedThoughts]

I'm sure 9/11 was done by some untraceable covert operation in order to steal Iraq's oil reserves.

[blite13]

Much more than oil..all that is happening today was planned a long time ago..watch this vid explaining why this Climate problem is being pushed on us today. This vid was made in the early 80's

watch?v=WBQJFtzg7S4&feature=re­lated

[moh1612]

@ManufacturedThoughts yes bossman iraq was never a threat, all the WMD hype was for shit simply because iraq didn't have WMDs, iraq was never involved in 9/11 and that cocksucker bush took us into war killing innocent goodhearted, hardworking people....i don't know how these parasites in the US government can sleep @ night.

[ESP1EMG]

@ManufacturedThoughts dont waste your time. read about the covert stuff that went on IN iraq / afghan before and after the start of the war. not 9/11. SOG and SAS did some crazy stuff there for good or bad. anyone who thinks 9/11 was statged by our government is a bit ignornat to current affairs and common sense

[RainbowManification]

@ManufacturedThoughts Actually no oil has been exported out of Iraq, the UN made sure of that this time around.

[CLBandfield]

He admits it didn't happen the way they thought it did at the time. The title "he admits it didn't happen" implies it intentionally was made up or that there were no attacks at all. That is not what is being said here.

[compelled2283]

I'm sorry you took it that way but I wasn't trying to imply anything.  It is just a fact that it didn't happen.

[CountBody]

@compelled2283 but it did happen

[wwwPNACATTACKcom]

no but VIETNAM WAR was 100% Teroism by USA - because it's now delessified that it never happened, - Gulf of Tonkin incident

[moob744]

McNamara's final statement WAS "it didn't happen", that's what the man said! What is implied here is that there was a decision to go to War, and apparently without sufficient corroborative investigation.Hell! people will fight for ANY reason or NO reason, regardless of ideology.

[centurion180ad]

@moob744 It didn't happen and he sure as Hell knew it exactly at that time.

02 MARCH 1964

LBJ: “What I want is somebody that can lay up some plans to trap these guys and ah, whoop the Hell out of ‘em, kill some of ‘em that’s what I want to do.”

McNamara: “I’ll try and bring something back that will meet that objective.”

watch?v=mR1ooWmxQQM&feature=fe­edf

Operation Plan 34A was in full swing, blasting PRVN targets from territorial waters.

[BlueMakarov]

@centurion180ad Very well said. The second day attack on the USS Maddox of August 4 1964 never even happened. The was no proof whatsoever the USS Maddox was attacked on August 4 1964. The second Gulf Of Tonkin Incident was a lie that even Robert McNamara admits it never happened.

[italianman2112]

@CLBandfield that is what i read here to, I have been trying to find out if it was or wasnt, and here we get it was confusion.

[Ninetyone11]

@CLBandfield Similarly to the Bush administration, the Johnson's administration allowed themselves; and in fact fostered, an environment that wanted a reason to go to war. It should be mandatory that all that serve in any branch of government (as decision makers - i.e. Congress, Exec, Supreme Court) must have served in the military prior to taking office. Talk is cheap when they send people to their deaths. "It didn't happen..." is a bit like pointing the finger at the sailors.

[drbayoms]

@CLBandfield

I do not believe ANYTHING McNamara says. I believe nothing happen. Other than firing weapons into the water.

[arttoeg]

@CLBandfield

But they knew and admitted "There were no US losses" in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. That's the perversion. The information was good but the conclusion was poor.

[polygamous1]

@CLBandfield just as GWB said I believe they have WMD n as such it gives me the right to attack saw him on TV say so after the iraq attack about syria ! WOW basically telling the world i can attack WTH i like

[RainbowManification]

@CLBandfield It is common fact that the Tonkin Gulf Incident was completely fabricated, we started a war on lies where 40,000 Americans and 2 million Vietnamese (many of them civilians) died, all for the fight against communism.

[Malbrojia]

@CLBandfield @3:23 "our judgment that we'd been attacked that day was wrong. It didn't happen"

[ljwantstohelp]

@Malbrojia profoundly sad news....so then the hundreds of thousands of military men and women from our country and others plus millions of innocent people were killed/maimed all as a result of an attack that "didn't happen," and the worst: our leaders KNEW THIS!