Teaching the Pure Carved Turn

[jonepmyra]

you gotta love the transcribe audio feature xD

[alexdjox]

Maybe You call this better, How Not to Teaching the Pure Carved Turn:(

[varundilsay2002]

It's really nice video!

[MartinDauer]

well, this is quite complicated. He is very good in explaining the most important mistakes people do with their knee´s. But correct carving means to put pressure on both ski´s similarly, keeping the skis in a good distance and not using the hips for triggering the turn. I would not start training the "slow motion" turns but start with parallel skis on the fall line and with decent speed use your upper body to initiate the turn. This keeps your skis right and does not train wrong movements.

[AFH814]

I think this is a good way to teach the feel of riding the edge, which many people have difficulty with when learnibg to carve. Maybe students will need to relearn weight dist on inside ski, but it may also help getting more weight on inside ski as many people dont put enough pressure on inside when carving. Doing this drill for 500ft could be a useful tool for some students as a warm up to carving and I could see it saving time in the long run possibly.

[skiinstructorfrmohio]

not so good.way too much running mouth and if you ski that wide a stance you cant move.Inside ski should be active in a carved turn, and the whole idea of carved turns is to achieve high edge angles. He's half right on not countering body, but the hips are the flexible joint he seems to be missing

[broggie67]

OMG. I hope this was a joke. PLEASE don't listen to this video.

[rainmaker1011]

what a great looking ski slope :) like that kind of snow/slope :) where is it?

[MrDHCuthill]

I think this is great - for teaching ski instructors. It's an edging drill. It's pretty complicated to follow and I already know what he's talking about!

The other thing is - he's teaching a turn I would call "Park-N-Ride for Punters" (There's no edge modulation - it's static all the way round.)

I sometimes do snowplough edging drills I call "Chinese Snowplough" that involves flattening one plough ski and edging the other.

[howdy175218]

Thanks for clearly explaining the biomechanics. Very useful.

[DavidSkis]

Ray, your biomechanics are sound re stability. However, I'm reluctant to teach participants to ride their inside ski--which is mandatory in your method--as it causes balance issues and will later need to be unlearned. Why not instead teach a progression like this:

fan turns / garlands of gradually increasing edge intensity

J turns (point skis downhill, roll up on edge)

lift and tip ("phantom move")

rollerblade turns

etc..

[sunny74763]

this sucks! youy should check out sofa ski school! MariaKlaus is awsome

[Tomatas001]

That´s really funny movie!Just joking, isn´t it?

[mebaran]

I'm sorry...but I just can't take anything a full grown man riding 150s says seriously. Great video though! =)

(joking obviously, those skis look really slick)

[mebaran]

@mebaran I just noticed....his poles are way too short as well...lol

[kaldybaldy]

Are you kidding! He might as well be wearing snow blades. Get some 173's at least rookie.

[mdmd7474]

There are better, faster and safer ways to teach carve turns. I wouldn't reccomend this.

[raycantu401]

@mdmd7474 I would be interested in learning about any faster and better ways to teach carved turns that you know about.

What suggestions do you have? I would also like to know what you think is " unsafe " about the method shown

in the video.

[rak03008]

@raycantu401 : I am new to skiing but this method sounds safer to the knees......what is your opinion?

[redpanda2401]

@mdmd7474 : I agree, this is not teaching anything other than confusion. Learners to carving will find it very difficult to learn this way, I would not recommend this vid either.

[zinokomm1]

good tips very usefull

[MrABCDGF]

there are many ways of teaching how to carve, but to teach beginners to carve like this????

[Acaenum]

i have seen a couple of videos about carving - this method, drives the point in - very clear at the slowest possible speed. Probably the best method to practice - of-course, stance naturally will/has to change as the speed increases. I learnt it speed first, carve second - this is carve first, speed later.

Thanks for sharing, very useful!

[thepoorwanderer]

Nice teaching technique as well as skiing.

[FullHouseHand]

ur skis are too fuking short for u......ski teacher.....

[avalonwitch]

@FullHouseHand

No his skis are not too short for him. They are a different type of skis. They are wider at the ends than earlier models, which have a similar effect as longer skis. I have the same type of skis, 148 cm, and I'm six foot tall, and buddy, let me tell you, they want to go FAST. But I have more control over them because there is less length and more ski that touches the snow on bumps. If you have the narrow skis, you have to go longer. research the new skis for yourself.

[BGPups]

Dont spend so much time showing the wrong way just show the right way.

[dzzima]

This guy explains a very important concept of the correct upper body alignment. If you cannot understand, that you shouldn't keep your legs so wide all the time - I'm very sorry for you.

[jimbober0]

Im sorry, but if I saw someone carve past me with their legs as far apart as his I think I would just laugh. Im no expert but this is completely different to a lot of what I have been taught about carving...

[zergkiller007]

@jimbober0 you wouldnt, he mentions that it is an inrigger just to discover the outside edge, however when the speed picks up the inside ski will be moved to a more stable position, however a wider stance is more useful.

[TheCaromik]

very good instruction, maybe boring for the experts but i found it very informative for the fundamentals of carving,thanks

[BallerSkier]

who cannot cars on groomed trails or powder jsut try carvinng on used trail ull se the skis will skid, unless u have a super shart tuned edges like for racing oposide sidecuta makes the andgle of the skis sharper than 90 degrees

[zergkiller007]

@BallerSkier were you drunk when you wrote this? Learn to spell?

[r2csnipedya]

dude im 510 skiing 17cm k2 crossfires 150 fichers no wonder the have a tight arch. when you can ski longer skis then you can say your a good snowskier dude..

[natfranklee]

150s?? way short for that guy

[natfranklee]

150s??

[acskier]

You might want to watch his clips on the bio-mechanics of skiing. Apparently he's a boot fitter. I think he's on to something good for some people.

[Lehmann108]

Haha! You endup holding your poles like that when they are cut short . I used to have poles I only used for slalom racing that were short like that and I always held my hands over them when standing.

[175philkelly]

I hate to be a knocker but I've been a professional Ski Instructor for years and I've never before seen anyone deliver a demo holding their poles like that.

[Bertrand16]

I agree, but I think the focus was on the skis, or at least that's what he was attempting to do, I guess.

[MyPassionsss]

Go to Sofa Ski School videos here on YT and see how to start a carving turn with no effort.

[apfelmurks]

@MyPassionsss

yes, sofa ski school is the best carving lession (also transtated in german)

[MyPassionsss]

Indeed...but there are always ppl who try to find their own, weird technique which is completely wrong like we can see in this video. So we must be very careful when choosing our ski instructor!:D

[tsesci]

thanks man Today i first time skiing It was amazing IT is a one of the best feeling in human life ;)

[vadim367]

This is the best Learning video-clip on youtube!

Thanks a lot to the author!!!

Many videos (including SofaSkiSchool) show nice skiing, but nobody explains on how to accomplish this for somebody who can not do that.

This is the first and the only clip, that have a methodology to teach carved turn.

I would take a private lesson from the author if he would live inmy area!

THANKS AGAIN!

[WKmonstermutt]

The ski is a tool??? THIS guy is a tool!

[alex2stan]

I think this is a great way to teach someone who is standing on skies for the first time,and is also a good practise to get in shape for someone who can carve well. good video.

[garrbage22]

Teaching is a joke, sorry :(

btw. poles are good 4 inches short for this guy.

[Taschen11]

depends on how close to the ground he is when he is turning. :-)

[bradhorn14]

@garrbage22 90% of all high level skiers will use shorter poles to help a forward body position and a balanced COM.

[garrbage22]

@bradhorn14 :o) The statement is simply false. I'm just curious where did you here that, and only can recommend you watch more WC events (at least). And please pay some attention to the pole length used there.

Approximate estimation for the _proper_ pole length - your height multiplied by 0.75 for GS and speed disciplines. And a little bit shorter (0.73) for Slalom.

[ppicasso09]

I think it's a joke :) it's wrong way to learn carving.

[richardbent1]

Although I think this guy is correct and knows what he is talking about, his delivery is very belabored, overly verbose and unecessarily complicated. If he gave this presentation to a group of students on the side of a slope he'd confuse half of the group and utterly bore the other half. Knowing how to ski and understanding the biomechanics is a good thing but if you don't know how to deliver it you are useless as an instructor.

[bradhorn14]

he is talking to instructors, not students. He is setting up a procedural system for teaching this.

[TaGzDRuMMeR]

sexy groom!

[panagiotisg83]

That's very informative. Thanks a lot. As someone who is trying to transition from wedge to parallel skiing, I think this approach will help a lot!

[phil656565]

make sure you get your sliding turns down as well... you dont lose very much speed when carving but adding a mix of slide and carve can keep you at a safe speed and in control

[TaGzDRuMMeR]

I hate people who slide turn. they fuck up everything on a ski hill

[phil656565]

gotta learn it before carving... but yea i hate theyre guts when they tear up a fresh groomed run. or moguls

[poobearpanda345]

lulz so long talkin bout carving then he isn't that great at them in the end

(REEAAALLLYYY not that great)

[merrychris14]

Stop talking about the ski and defining every word. rc4 is too soft to do good carves.

[fanou101]

Speaking of tools ...

[ChiefHeyoka]

This is bunko. Skiing is done with the feet. yet, the man never mentions the word. All he's talking is mumbo jumbo.

Harald Harb has defined skiing better than anyone. It's simple to understand. No, I'm not Harald's buddy. I do follow what he talks about though, which is really just racing movements applied to all mountain skiing.

[ChiefHeyoka]

The other thing is that the guy is on little kids skis. Who skis on skis that short? Whatever he's talking about, I don't think he could reproduce on skis his size, or all mountain skis. So in other words, he's teaching on skis that no one uses.

Just another useless ski video by someone who thinks way too much of himself.

[rossyhead69]

wow arent we "the glass is half empty"

I think that is a very narrow-minded look at what he is trying to demonstrate.

Yes he is using shorter skis but that is simply to show the ideas more easily.

I dont agree with some of what he says-see my other post here to this topic but I dont think it is "bunko"

[sopol78]

This is a very useful video. the movement is correct and can easily be tested on a short carve ski like a slalom ski with deep side cut. if you look at a slalom racer going thru/around a slalom gate on an icy pitch his body very much resembles what this guy is saying, the outside leg is straight and knee is locked, not bent or twisted and inside leg is under the body to give support and direction to the turn and even carving a bit helping the outside leg. most of the power is coming from the hip

[ApaXtue]

I am using head supershape ski's, (red edition) radius of 10.5 or something, and those ski's can turn harder then i can handel. when putting them on edge they shoot u up in the air frequantly, a 8 meter radius sounds really god short....ripping turns all day long!!! haha BTW, i agree on the fact, do not turn in the knees, always use your skeleton to support forces

[ApaXtue]

This is a verry usefull video for beginner/intermediate skieers. I have had years and years of classic ski training, and for the past 6 years i have been learing the carving part on my own, just be looking at skieers how are/where better than i was. Carving is a dynamic type of turn, stable balance can only be obtain with sufficient speed and corner radius, both these things can be hard for intermediate skieers. using inside leg as a kind of support beam is a safe and easy way to solve problem

[luowilliam]

what's the difference between carving and classic ski?

[guettablaster]

did u actually watch the movie?

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[ApaXtue]

A classic ski is the old ski (straight edges) A carving ski has a curved edge, allowing you "cut" the snow instead of sliding over it.

[klstock181]

Sorry, but what are you doing there?

[afffisch]

Helpful for me.

[Mateyhv1]

I agree with you, never heard about such a short radius, but suppose the guy knows what he is talking about. The theoretical part is ok, but the practical In my opinion only serves as a way to know how carve works but not for begginers to practice carving. Anyway good material! Thanks

[stewarrh]

As a intermediate skier just learning how to carve I found this video helpful. Learning how to use the hips instead of rotating the knee is the "concept" I needed to see. Thanks for sharing the video.

[tocrank]

Doesn't have to go through "the straight leg". Leg (knee) should be bent but not rotated inward. If you manage to ignore the "technical blab" this is by far the best instructional for beginner level I've seen. Others advise "rotating" knees inward (which is very wrong) but when you look at their demonstrations there are no "rotations". Also, when addressing beginners, they actually talk to people who are trying to shift from old school parallel skiing to carving - wrong again!

[rossyhead69]

I have only just found this video and found it interesting but having been through the British system as an instructor I am curious to ask wether it is a difference in styles that makes the entire movement through that outer ski.

We have been taught to teach the early pressure on the inside knee initiates the turn, not the change of pressure ot the outside ski with the edge change?

Or did I mis-understand??

Good video though, still interesting

[akorchemniy]

8m radius is quite short. I like the explanation of why the weight needs to go through the straight leg rather than bent knee. I personally find the visual explanation a bit overcomplicated. Why not teach one footed balance, which is more natural?