Thanks for the Upload, I have this song on cassette as I was recording "Jazz with Bob Parlocha" but didn't know the artist's name, it has taken at least 12yrs to find who put this tune together. So low and behold I was listening to some internet radio and they were playing Wynton Marsalis's version(who play with Art Blakey) of the tune. So I came to youtube to find the original version and here it is, thanks again for helping in concluding my search and the sharing of information.
i enjoyed reading the debates between those two guys, plim buff and the other one, reminded me off an ex relationship ha ha.
this is my favourite tune by the jazz messengers of art blakey,recorded in 1980 live at bubbas, well at least thats what it says on my £2 cd, get it, its wicked!!
3 horns, tenor sax, alto and trumpet, wynton is only 18 or so on this but hes incredible, as is bobby watson, the tenor player and art blakey!!
Yep, Time Will Tell. Charles Fambrough on Bass, Wynton Marsalis on Trumpet, Art Blakey at al.
This tune has been released lots of times, but mostly under the album title 'My Funny Valentine', with Wynton Marsalis, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers.
I know because Wynton Marsalis autographed my copy of it.
I've been reading through the little soap opera that is plimbuff vs the world...
"Actually, I don't go to jam sessions because people like you show up. I'll bet you play as beautifully as you relate to people. Tell your crowd of three or two, or one as soon as you start to play hello. If you care to talk to them, you artist you. " FANTASTIC.
The answer is "This is called "Time Will Tell", written by also man Bobby Watson, and recorded on the Blakey Messengers album called "Gypsy Folk Tales"." Thank you Mark.
Mark, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you. Now I want to hear that whole album. You are a true refreshment from all the total morons out there who claim to have good ears. Believe me, I'd gotten some pretty crazy, wrong guesses as to what that song might be . Hard to find indeed! I could only find ONE youtube video of "Time Will Tell" by a young jazz ensemble (featuring a great vibes player). All of the others were different songs under the same title. Anyway, thanks again.
NAFTALI2, I told you this is not Gunga Din, and I explained why. The real problem is that you have a poor musical ear. So, I can't help you. You are taking up my time. This is my last response to you. Goodbye.
I'm not sure what you guys are doing, but this isn't from the 1953 concert. It sounds closer to an Art Blakey tune, with a tenor sax and trumpet. The name is Gunga Din, and you can hear Phil Woods do a nice version of this on Youtube.
No NAFTALI2, I'm sorry but you are mistaken. The melody is completely different, and the chords are completely different. I'm sure if you listen to them again you'll hear that they're totally different songs. Please try again.
I had someone with better ears than I make that call on the song. But I do know a tenor sax when I hear it. I can hear the difference in quality between other recordings of the Massey performance and this, which is much more recent. What chords do you hear--for each tune?
Yes, I hear the quality difference in the other Massey recordings too. Honestly, I already know for sure that it's not Gunga Din. And I don't have time to dictate all of the chords for you. Gunga Din: A SECTION, Fmin7 vamp. B SECTION, Bbmin7, Eb7, Abmaj7, Gmin7b5, C7b9b13, Fmin7.
And this mystery song: A SECTION has a descending bass line from Fmin(F-Eb-Db), NOT a vamp. And B SECTION: C#min7, Cmin7....You know, I'm spending too much time disproving Gunga Din. Please trust me. It's not the same song. The MELODY is COMPLETELY different as well. Just compare the melodies. If I still haven't convinced you, then there's nothing else I can do. -Peace
I thought we just agreed to disagree. But--you spoke of a descending bass line from F. That's a vamp on Fm. There's an intro in the mystery song. Phil Woods doesn't play as long an intro. I think the two are different arrangements of the same tune.
NAFTALI2, I told you this is not Gunga Din, and I explained why. The real problem is that you have a poor musical ear. So, I can't help you. You are taking up my time. This is my last response to you. Goodbye.
This is called "Time Will Tell", written by also man Bobby Watson, and recorded on the Blakey Messengers album called "Gypsy Folk Tales".
I have the album -- two copies, it's that good.
Gunga Din?? What???? Bobby Watson, Blakey and the Messengers all the way. Don't you feel just a wee bit foolish now, NAFTAL12? You should get off plimbuff's ass.
I should at least get points for saying this sounds like it could be Blakey. And, if you read, I didn't make it a big deal. It was a guess. He thought it was Charlie Parker at Massey Hall, with that kind of modern recording technique. And, this is close enough to Gunga Din to be a different arrangement of that tune. Not identical, just a different interpretation.
I NEVER said it was Charlie Parker at Massey Hall. I didn't post this video. NAFTALI2, you are the kind of guy that shows up at Jam sessions, and plays out of key the whole time without knowing it. I suggest you leave the playing to those of us who have a musical ear.
Actually, I don't go to jam sessions because people like you show up. I'll bet you play as beautifully as you relate to people. Tell your crowd of three or two, or one as soon as you start to play hello. If you care to talk to them, you artist you.
One more thing, if you read the comments from the beginning, Plimbuff says he wants to do an arrangement, that he doesn't know the chords, and then complains when has starts to figure out the chords. What's up with that?
I've never had a lot of ear training. But I can tell who I'm listening to. And I listened to the Phil Woods version of Gunga Din immediately after this. Same key, different lengths of intro, I figured the head on this tune starts at 1:04. Hence, Gunga Din. I didn't grow up in a musical household. I am well aware of the gaps in my playing. But I have a great feel, put me with a B3, it will sound the way it's supposed to. Actually, if we were in a band, we'd have a good time.
NAFTALI2, I NEVER complained about working out the chords. I ALREADY KNEW the chords. You mis-quoted me! I SAID, "I'm spending too much time DISPROVING GUNGA DINN". Go back and look at my quote for yourself (It's word for word). You're pathetic. You MIS-QUOTED me in attempt to salvage one last scrap of dignity for yourself. But you failed shamefully. You really should apologize for wasting my time.
The original plan was for the Jazz Society and the musicians to share the profits from the recording. However the audience was so small that the Society was unable to pay the musician's fees. The musicians were all given NSF checks, and only Parker was able to actually cash his. Mingus and Max published on by their Debut Label.
To this day, the concert is considered by many to be "the greatest ever."
But sclifton, is "Inspiration" the name of this song? Do you know what the name of THIS song is? I appreciate your info. Do you know what the name of this song is?
Mingus took the recording to New York where he and Max Roach dubbed in the bass lines which were missing from most of the tunes and exchanged Mingus soloing on "All the Things You Are." Gillespie was billed first, as can be seen in the copy of the advertisement in Mark Miller's "Cool Blues."
It was the only time that the five recorded together as a unit, and it was the last recorded meeting of Parker and Gillespie.[1] Parker famously played a plastic alto saxophone on this date; he could not be listed on the original album cover for contractual reasons, so was billed as "Charlie Chan" (an allusion to the fictional detective and to Parker's wife Chan). The record was originally issued on Mingus's label Debut, from a recording made by the Toronto New Jazz Society.
Jazz at Massey Hall is a jazz album featuring a live performance by "The Quintet" on 15 May 1953 at Massey Hall in Toronto. The musicians were five of the biggest names in jazz: Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker, Bud Powell, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach.
Thanks for posting this video! I heard this song years ago and love it. Does anyone know where to find the sheet music? Or at least the chord changes? I really want to write an arrangement of this song but I'm having a lot of trouble finding the chart. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.
I forgot to mention that the title of this song is definitively wrong. "I've got you under my skin" is the titile under which I found it but it does not fit the homologous song played by Charlie Parker. A preview of the original can be found in Allmusic.
Awesome song! How do I find a preview in allmusic? Do you have anymore details as to how to find the name of this song? I'm desperatly trying to solve this mystery so I can locate sheet music for it. Any help is appreciated. Thanx
OK, I'm stupid, I now see that You provided everything you know in the video. Never mind my questions. I'm a jazz musician myself. I'll ask around, and post anything I find out.
pretty much all i know is stated in the video. i found it while downloading an album under the greatest jazz concert ever which later i found was played at the massey hall in 1953. however there are two versions of that live recording from what i know. one has only six tracks and the other has sixteen.
Glad this is on youtube. I just heard on the radio. Love it.
Montara130 6 months ago
Thanks for the Upload, I have this song on cassette as I was recording "Jazz with Bob Parlocha" but didn't know the artist's name, it has taken at least 12yrs to find who put this tune together. So low and behold I was listening to some internet radio and they were playing Wynton Marsalis's version(who play with Art Blakey) of the tune. So I came to youtube to find the original version and here it is, thanks again for helping in concluding my search and the sharing of information.
jimmw 2 years ago
@jimmw I heard it on KCSM too. Only Clifford Brown Jr was hosting.
Montara130 6 months ago
Great music here. That's all I have to say.
Jenntasnim 2 years ago
"TIme Will Tell" B.Watson composer
Art Blakey-drums
Charles Fambrough-bass
James Williams-piano
Bill Pierce-tenor sax
Bobby Watson-alto sax
Wynton Marsalis-trumpet
Recorded at "Bubba's" Ft. Lauderdale, Fl 1980
watsonp143 2 years ago
Is it Bobby Watson, the saxophonist who wrote this tune? This is my favorite tune out of the album I own. I would love to play this tune someday!
Nachtmusik02 2 years ago
yeah buena musica
*****
yosoykucho 2 years ago
Adoro esta pieza. Por más que la escuche, una y otra vez, nunca me canso. Para mi, una de las mejores obras del jazz de todos los tiempos.
Emacc73 3 years ago 2
i enjoyed reading the debates between those two guys, plim buff and the other one, reminded me off an ex relationship ha ha.
this is my favourite tune by the jazz messengers of art blakey,recorded in 1980 live at bubbas, well at least thats what it says on my £2 cd, get it, its wicked!!
3 horns, tenor sax, alto and trumpet, wynton is only 18 or so on this but hes incredible, as is bobby watson, the tenor player and art blakey!!
thanks for putting it on!
pjordano 3 years ago
Yep, Time Will Tell. Charles Fambrough on Bass, Wynton Marsalis on Trumpet, Art Blakey at al.
This tune has been released lots of times, but mostly under the album title 'My Funny Valentine', with Wynton Marsalis, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers.
I know because Wynton Marsalis autographed my copy of it.
amigomatt 3 years ago
Thanx for the info amigomatt.
plimbuff 3 years ago
Writer anyone?
plimbuff 3 years ago
I've been reading through the little soap opera that is plimbuff vs the world...
"Actually, I don't go to jam sessions because people like you show up. I'll bet you play as beautifully as you relate to people. Tell your crowd of three or two, or one as soon as you start to play hello. If you care to talk to them, you artist you. " FANTASTIC.
Chatterboxes 4 years ago
MarkR solves it! It's called "Time will tell".
plimbuff 4 years ago
The answer is "This is called "Time Will Tell", written by also man Bobby Watson, and recorded on the Blakey Messengers album called "Gypsy Folk Tales"." Thank you Mark.
plimbuff 4 years ago
Mark, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you. Now I want to hear that whole album. You are a true refreshment from all the total morons out there who claim to have good ears. Believe me, I'd gotten some pretty crazy, wrong guesses as to what that song might be . Hard to find indeed! I could only find ONE youtube video of "Time Will Tell" by a young jazz ensemble (featuring a great vibes player). All of the others were different songs under the same title. Anyway, thanks again.
plimbuff 4 years ago
NAFTALI2, I told you this is not Gunga Din, and I explained why. The real problem is that you have a poor musical ear. So, I can't help you. You are taking up my time. This is my last response to you. Goodbye.
plimbuff 4 years ago
I'm not sure what you guys are doing, but this isn't from the 1953 concert. It sounds closer to an Art Blakey tune, with a tenor sax and trumpet. The name is Gunga Din, and you can hear Phil Woods do a nice version of this on Youtube.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
No NAFTALI2, I'm sorry but you are mistaken. The melody is completely different, and the chords are completely different. I'm sure if you listen to them again you'll hear that they're totally different songs. Please try again.
plimbuff 4 years ago
I had someone with better ears than I make that call on the song. But I do know a tenor sax when I hear it. I can hear the difference in quality between other recordings of the Massey performance and this, which is much more recent. What chords do you hear--for each tune?
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
Also, don't confuse a different arrangement of the tune with the tune. It's the same tune, different arrangements.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
NAFTALI2, I'm a musician. Agree to disagree. They are different songs.
plimbuff 4 years ago
No problem.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
Yes, I hear the quality difference in the other Massey recordings too. Honestly, I already know for sure that it's not Gunga Din. And I don't have time to dictate all of the chords for you. Gunga Din: A SECTION, Fmin7 vamp. B SECTION, Bbmin7, Eb7, Abmaj7, Gmin7b5, C7b9b13, Fmin7.
plimbuff 4 years ago
And this mystery song: A SECTION has a descending bass line from Fmin(F-Eb-Db), NOT a vamp. And B SECTION: C#min7, Cmin7....You know, I'm spending too much time disproving Gunga Din. Please trust me. It's not the same song. The MELODY is COMPLETELY different as well. Just compare the melodies. If I still haven't convinced you, then there's nothing else I can do. -Peace
plimbuff 4 years ago
I thought we just agreed to disagree. But--you spoke of a descending bass line from F. That's a vamp on Fm. There's an intro in the mystery song. Phil Woods doesn't play as long an intro. I think the two are different arrangements of the same tune.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
NAFTALI2, I told you this is not Gunga Din, and I explained why. The real problem is that you have a poor musical ear. So, I can't help you. You are taking up my time. This is my last response to you. Goodbye.
plimbuff 4 years ago
This is called "Time Will Tell", written by also man Bobby Watson, and recorded on the Blakey Messengers album called "Gypsy Folk Tales".
I have the album -- two copies, it's that good.
Gunga Din?? What???? Bobby Watson, Blakey and the Messengers all the way. Don't you feel just a wee bit foolish now, NAFTAL12? You should get off plimbuff's ass.
He knows.
I know.
You don't.
Crow. It's what's for dinner . . . . . .
MarkR1957 4 years ago
ALTO man, not ALSO man . . . .
Jazz Drummer's hands are just tooooo fast for mere mortal computer keyboards ~
MarkR1957 4 years ago
I should at least get points for saying this sounds like it could be Blakey. And, if you read, I didn't make it a big deal. It was a guess. He thought it was Charlie Parker at Massey Hall, with that kind of modern recording technique. And, this is close enough to Gunga Din to be a different arrangement of that tune. Not identical, just a different interpretation.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
I NEVER said it was Charlie Parker at Massey Hall. I didn't post this video. NAFTALI2, you are the kind of guy that shows up at Jam sessions, and plays out of key the whole time without knowing it. I suggest you leave the playing to those of us who have a musical ear.
plimbuff 4 years ago
Actually, I don't go to jam sessions because people like you show up. I'll bet you play as beautifully as you relate to people. Tell your crowd of three or two, or one as soon as you start to play hello. If you care to talk to them, you artist you.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
One more thing, if you read the comments from the beginning, Plimbuff says he wants to do an arrangement, that he doesn't know the chords, and then complains when has starts to figure out the chords. What's up with that?
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
I read all the comments.
I know the tune Gunga Din. I've played it many times. This tune is not even close to it.
No big insult intended here, but it seems that you don't really have that good of an ear. You can't be a Jazz musician . . . . . .
Just curious ~
MarkR1957 4 years ago
I've never had a lot of ear training. But I can tell who I'm listening to. And I listened to the Phil Woods version of Gunga Din immediately after this. Same key, different lengths of intro, I figured the head on this tune starts at 1:04. Hence, Gunga Din. I didn't grow up in a musical household. I am well aware of the gaps in my playing. But I have a great feel, put me with a B3, it will sound the way it's supposed to. Actually, if we were in a band, we'd have a good time.
NAFTALI2 4 years ago
NAFTALI2, you only knew they were in the same key because I TOLD YOU. Stop humiliating yourself. Fuck off. Cock.
plimbuff 4 years ago
NAFTALI2, I NEVER complained about working out the chords. I ALREADY KNEW the chords. You mis-quoted me! I SAID, "I'm spending too much time DISPROVING GUNGA DINN". Go back and look at my quote for yourself (It's word for word). You're pathetic. You MIS-QUOTED me in attempt to salvage one last scrap of dignity for yourself. But you failed shamefully. You really should apologize for wasting my time.
plimbuff 3 years ago
PERSONNEL: Bud Powell: Piano; George Duvivier: Bass; Art Taylor: Drums. Recorded at a night club engagement, date unknown.
TRACKS: Bass-ically Speaking [Alternate 1], Bass-ically Speaking [Alternate 2], Bass- ically Speaking [Alternate 3], and an untitled blues.
PERSONNEL: Billy Taylor: Piano; Charles Mingus: Bass; Unknown Drummer. Recorded at in New York during the summer of 1953
sclifton72 4 years ago
No... In spiration is not the name. I'm not sure what the name is but I do have the track list.
TRACKS: Embraceable You, Sure Thing, Cherokee, Jubilee, Lullaby of Birdland, Bass- ically Speaking, Drum Conversation, I've Got You Under My Skin.
PERSONNEL: Bud Powell: Piano; Charles Mingus: Bass; Max Roach: Drums. Recorded at Massey Hall, May 15, 1953.
TRACKS: My Devotion, Polka Dots and Moonbeams, My Heart Stood Still, I Want to Be Happy
sclifton72 4 years ago
The original plan was for the Jazz Society and the musicians to share the profits from the recording. However the audience was so small that the Society was unable to pay the musician's fees. The musicians were all given NSF checks, and only Parker was able to actually cash his. Mingus and Max published on by their Debut Label.
To this day, the concert is considered by many to be "the greatest ever."
sclifton72 4 years ago
But sclifton, is "Inspiration" the name of this song? Do you know what the name of THIS song is? I appreciate your info. Do you know what the name of this song is?
plimbuff 4 years ago
Mingus took the recording to New York where he and Max Roach dubbed in the bass lines which were missing from most of the tunes and exchanged Mingus soloing on "All the Things You Are." Gillespie was billed first, as can be seen in the copy of the advertisement in Mark Miller's "Cool Blues."
sclifton72 4 years ago
It was the only time that the five recorded together as a unit, and it was the last recorded meeting of Parker and Gillespie.[1] Parker famously played a plastic alto saxophone on this date; he could not be listed on the original album cover for contractual reasons, so was billed as "Charlie Chan" (an allusion to the fictional detective and to Parker's wife Chan). The record was originally issued on Mingus's label Debut, from a recording made by the Toronto New Jazz Society.
sclifton72 4 years ago
Jazz at Massey Hall is a jazz album featuring a live performance by "The Quintet" on 15 May 1953 at Massey Hall in Toronto. The musicians were five of the biggest names in jazz: Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker, Bud Powell, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach.
sclifton72 4 years ago
Thanks for posting this video! I heard this song years ago and love it. Does anyone know where to find the sheet music? Or at least the chord changes? I really want to write an arrangement of this song but I'm having a lot of trouble finding the chart. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.
plimbuff 4 years ago
Inspiration
sclifton72 4 years ago
Are you saying "inspiration" is the name of the song?
plimbuff 4 years ago
I forgot to mention that the title of this song is definitively wrong. "I've got you under my skin" is the titile under which I found it but it does not fit the homologous song played by Charlie Parker. A preview of the original can be found in Allmusic.
xavest 4 years ago
Awesome song! How do I find a preview in allmusic? Do you have anymore details as to how to find the name of this song? I'm desperatly trying to solve this mystery so I can locate sheet music for it. Any help is appreciated. Thanx
plimbuff 4 years ago
OK, I'm stupid, I now see that You provided everything you know in the video. Never mind my questions. I'm a jazz musician myself. I'll ask around, and post anything I find out.
plimbuff 4 years ago
pretty much all i know is stated in the video. i found it while downloading an album under the greatest jazz concert ever which later i found was played at the massey hall in 1953. however there are two versions of that live recording from what i know. one has only six tracks and the other has sixteen.
xavest 4 years ago