sensei jorge rojo aikido demonstration b

[chatanyarasan]

Sinduda Sensei Rojo es el mejor exponente de aikido en chile.

[ppancho188]

Quizá Sensei Rojo no tenga un Aikido tan "estético" como otros, por ejemplo Christian Tissier Sensei, pero su técnica es notable.

[artesmarciales88]

te vuelvo a repetir usar aikido en la calle seria un suicidio, el aikido es solo un arte japones que sirve para cultivar el espiritu pero en lo que respecta lucha lo dudo mucho, te lo digo por experiencia, ningun aikidoka ha podido hacer sus tecnicas con combatientes reales

[lalborno]

Las técnicas en aikido son difíceles de aplicar, pero asi como no utilizar nada... Dudo que una persona con un año de entrenamiento en aikido tenga las mismas reacciones que sin haber entrenado.

Un compañero aikidoka es guardia en un bar, y dice que desde que practica aikido usa mas inmobilizciones que golpes. Se siente mas seguro y se lesiona menos.

[elunicocalvo]

yo creo que un tipo con unos 15 años de práctica puede empezar a mostrar algo de aikido en la calle...por lo que he visto y por lo que me han contado. Este señor del video me hizo clases hace tiempo, y te puedo decir que lo de la "actitud pacifista" es cierto, pero no en el sentido de John Lennon...incluso sabiendo cómo caer y cómo seguir el movimiento, duele bastante a veces, me imagino que en el pavimento y sin saber caer o resistiendo la técnica es peor (eso si es que la aplican bien)

[xupamelacorneta]

@artesmarciales88 estimado, me he saqué un cuchillo del cuello gracias al aikido, he practicado alrededor de 6 meses y debo de ser uno de los peores de mi grupo, no tengo grado, pero he aprendido mucho, por lo menos yo no busco pelea, simplemente cultivar la defensa personal.

[artesmarciales88]

en la calle no sabras como te atacaran, y mucho menos con la enseñanza de ese arte en donde te enseñan a ser alguien totalmente pacifico, en las artes marciales se requiere una actitud guerrera y no de alguien pacifista, recuerda que hay que tener mente fria y acabar con el sujeto de inmediato.

entonces aikido es solo tecnicas demasiado irreales y cero espiritu guerrero, como crees que un practicante de aikido se defienda con eso, yo en realidad lo dudo.

saludos

[lalborno]

Efectivamente el aikido es un arte de defensa y principalmente te permite entranar tu propio cuerpo para que los ataques del otro sean ineficaces, no necesariamente para aniquilar al enemigo. Por otra parte, estoy de acuerdo que en la calle no se podrían hacer estas técnicas, ya que a la primera que resultara se acabaría todo.

Con respecto al muai thai, nada que decir. Me parece un arte marcial muy eficaz... es cosa de ver a tony jaa!.

[artesmarciales88]

siempre me he preguntado si es que algun aikidoka podria hacer ese tipo de tecnicas contra un tipo de muay thai quien lo va a querer aporrear y te lanzara una combinacion de golpes de una o contra uno de wing chun quienes tienen la sensibilidad en sus brazos y golpes rapidos y devastadores, sinceramente el aikido para mi y para muchos es un arte marcial infeficaz en la calle.

[m2han]

any Americanized Asian martial arts are for pansies and fakes. But know this my friend, aikido is looked down on even in its birthplace, Japan due to its extreme impracticality and *too much* emphasis on non-physical aspects.

[lalborno]

Non phisical aspects like respect for the other, cosmic view, and aim to use as little force as possible? or do you mean the fact that aikido is non competitive?

[m2han]

many of other Japanese martial arts do have respect and pacifist point of view as vital elements...but it seems that aikido completely forgot about the original point of martial arts. You think about that one yourself.

[lalborno]

I think that the original point of martial arts is not an absolute, but i think it may be the art of survival. I don't think that aikido has forgoten that.

I've heard that the founder of aikido, Morihei Ueshiba, defeated once a well trained swordman, by avoiding all his attacks until the attacker fell exausted. Ueshiba survived because he was well trained. I think this is martial arts.

[m2han]

well, assuming that it's true, how do you think he was able to survive? Because of the training he got. Undoubtably against resisting, moving, attacking targets who weren't so damn predictable. Think about what kinda training *most* aikido folks go through nowdays.

[m2han]

Also, as far as I know, Mr.Ueshiba taught his students to be a good uke as well as a good nage. If you're up against predictable and linear attacks, it's easy all the time. If you're to face a boxer with fast punches and good footwork, I don't think you'd do too well.

[Myderion]

The swordsman couldn't move let alone land a blow...he felt as though the universe was against him. He was demoalirzed with the original idea to prove the founder wrong. I read a book on it. It was amazing.

[m2han]

last but not least. Defending from a full force attack from a light non-contact attac is a whole different story. What if you get hit? Can you deal with the pain? When hit with decent power, sometimes your muscles don't respond to your will. That's REAL world, my friend. Competitions are good for practicing what you've learned and realizing what works and what doesn't.

[lalborno]

uff, youre right, and aikido is suposed to train you against swords and knifes attacks. And to respond whith avoiding getting hit and threat the enemy with fractures. This can only be tested in real combat not in competition, so competition is not the answer. But in the other hand just training do no asure good results.

[m2han]

competition, with minimal rules for minimal safety, it's a great method to test your skills. I'm guessing you never practiced your skills on a skilled/aggresive opponent? Getting hurt is a natural part of learning martial arts, GET USED TO IT.

[m2han]

ever got real hard by your opponent(s) before? It hurts. Pain is one of the best methods to teach your body unconsciously to better your defences. If you don't believe me, try it out yourself; instincts will tell.

[lalborno]

truth is that in practice i got new bruises every class, and last year in the dojo i attend, there was one guy fractured and some others injured in such way they could not continue with aikido for months.

[Myderion]

I heard that Akido can;t be applied outside the dojo...your going to say thats not true obviously but it seems like the moves are lead up not in this video because its coreagraphy but others...

[lalborno]

Youre right. Some of what is seen on this video is kata 13, that is somewhat a coreography. And to apply techniques outside the dojo i think you have to train your reflexes, and that takes a long time.

[lalborno]

On the other hand, there are general purpose training that we do most the time that can help: Avoid attacks (taisabaki), fall without being hurt (ukemi), make effective joint locks. The "no fear" attitude can help you also.

[lalborno]

I think that constant training can make you look, stand, and walk in a way that can dissuade possible attackers. Street thief always go for the weak.

[Myderion]

Yes the book i read spoke about that. The point to martial arts that a lot of people don't understand is that it's not about fighting (entirly) its about the exact opposite. Peace...

[m2han]

Aikido can suck my balls. Learn real stuff like judo, bjj, or kyokushin karate.

[lalborno]

I've also heard that aikido in the states is kind of light...