Very easy, rawrthestar,: you guide yourself ( VolksNav(c) ) using the time-space convention with cities as imaginary clocks:
- if you look outwards, right hand will be "to later"
The division of the horizon in 12 directions divide the city like a cake into 12 sectors. If you're on sector 5 and your target is sector 2, so you'll go "to earlier".
This method is used by soldier, boy scouts, pilots, blind people etc. for more than 120 years.
What about people who doesn't know (or have difficulty) to read a round clock?
I've problems with that and that's why I've always used digital clocks instead of the round ones. I've seen people used to round clocks reading them in under a second, but it takes me 15 to 20 seconds to just read the time, a little less to orient myself in an f- style, but the Munich system makes me dizzy.
I know I'm a minority here, but the talk starts with the assumption that everybody can do it, and I'm sure that, there are other people like me.
Other point is the emphasis done in the orientation in Rio. Well, my opinion on that is that the statue is a milestone that can be seen from everywhere on the city, and that's what makes it easy, so to replicate that easiness every city should have some milestone that can bee seen from everywhere.
And the last observation I want to make is: If you take the Munich system, and place the origin in the north pole, and point m12 to Greenwich; haven't you replicated the coordinate system we have today (where m's are meridians and r's are paralels)?
thank you for your comment, it gives me the chance to clarify some relevant points.
The target group (2 billion people) is/are people who have difficulties to imagine the division of the horizon into 360 parts. The finding of targets has nothing to do with the time you need to read a clock. Would you prefer a digital clock with 360 hours 60 minutes and 60 seconds?
Well, I understood that the system linked the finding of targets with reading a clock but now that you say it, I think I missed the point of the target group at some point.
Hmm, a 360h digital clock no, but a round one... Didn't the french try that on 1789, or was it just the months? sorry just kidding :D
Another detail for your case: reading a clock, we see angles and associate numbers to them. I'm proposing to read numbers and associate directions with the same capability. Signage, mobile phones etc. show digits and you have the possibility to make a mayor/minor comparison as you make today with house numbers.
Google "mns m6:2 r8", there you'll find logical addresses in Manaus. Try to imagine their location without maps. This exercise could help you to read clocks faster.
Concerning the awareness about the direction of "downtown", this was a problem which took me 10 years to solve. With another invention, the Vertical Pointing(c), the signage and the electronics let you know the directions north and urban pole in any situation outdoor AND INDOOR.
Another possibility: instead of asking "where is the Oktoberfest?", you could ask "where is downtown?"
I would say this is really intresting. The 360°-system is a bit awkward to use in real life, and if it could help people with different navigational problems... go a head!
I usually like to watch Google tech videos, but this one progressed a bit too slowly and I had a hard time to follow, so I failed to get impressed. If we need a navigational tool, how is this at all better than a map...
Maybe I'm too impatient and need give to give this video another watch.
English language was good, so that wasn't the problem here.
Wishing for another video soon and better examples.
Sorry for the poor rhetoric. I only want to reform postal codes and abolish square search grids and say that any system which could make maps dispensable is a progress.
On WTC 9/11 additional panic arised because the helpers didn't know which one is the tower 1 or 2. Just for to distiguish two towers, today we need a map. If the cardinal points map/reality don't coincide, we'll even go wrong. What's wrong? THE ADDRESS. Should we defend such addresses?
Very easy, rawrthestar,: you guide yourself ( VolksNav(c) ) using the time-space convention with cities as imaginary clocks:
- if you look outwards, right hand will be "to later"
The division of the horizon in 12 directions divide the city like a cake into 12 sectors. If you're on sector 5 and your target is sector 2, so you'll go "to earlier".
This method is used by soldier, boy scouts, pilots, blind people etc. for more than 120 years.
VolksNav 1 year ago
someone tell me how to time travel?
rawrthestar 1 year ago
What about people who doesn't know (or have difficulty) to read a round clock?
I've problems with that and that's why I've always used digital clocks instead of the round ones. I've seen people used to round clocks reading them in under a second, but it takes me 15 to 20 seconds to just read the time, a little less to orient myself in an f- style, but the Munich system makes me dizzy.
maeghith 2 years ago
I know I'm a minority here, but the talk starts with the assumption that everybody can do it, and I'm sure that, there are other people like me.
Other point is the emphasis done in the orientation in Rio. Well, my opinion on that is that the statue is a milestone that can be seen from everywhere on the city, and that's what makes it easy, so to replicate that easiness every city should have some milestone that can bee seen from everywhere.
maeghith 2 years ago
And the last observation I want to make is: If you take the Munich system, and place the origin in the north pole, and point m12 to Greenwich; haven't you replicated the coordinate system we have today (where m's are meridians and r's are paralels)?
maeghith 2 years ago
Hi maeghith,
thank you for your comment, it gives me the chance to clarify some relevant points.
The target group (2 billion people) is/are people who have difficulties to imagine the division of the horizon into 360 parts. The finding of targets has nothing to do with the time you need to read a clock. Would you prefer a digital clock with 360 hours 60 minutes and 60 seconds?
VolksNav 2 years ago
Well, I understood that the system linked the finding of targets with reading a clock but now that you say it, I think I missed the point of the target group at some point.
Hmm, a 360h digital clock no, but a round one... Didn't the french try that on 1789, or was it just the months? sorry just kidding :D
Thankyou for your answers.
maeghith 2 years ago
Another detail for your case: reading a clock, we see angles and associate numbers to them. I'm proposing to read numbers and associate directions with the same capability. Signage, mobile phones etc. show digits and you have the possibility to make a mayor/minor comparison as you make today with house numbers.
Google "mns m6:2 r8", there you'll find logical addresses in Manaus. Try to imagine their location without maps. This exercise could help you to read clocks faster.
VolksNav 2 years ago
Concerning the awareness about the direction of "downtown", this was a problem which took me 10 years to solve. With another invention, the Vertical Pointing(c), the signage and the electronics let you know the directions north and urban pole in any situation outdoor AND INDOOR.
Another possibility: instead of asking "where is the Oktoberfest?", you could ask "where is downtown?"
VolksNav 2 years ago
I would say this is really intresting. The 360°-system is a bit awkward to use in real life, and if it could help people with different navigational problems... go a head!
oscarlinusericsson 2 years ago
I usually like to watch Google tech videos, but this one progressed a bit too slowly and I had a hard time to follow, so I failed to get impressed. If we need a navigational tool, how is this at all better than a map...
Maybe I'm too impatient and need give to give this video another watch.
English language was good, so that wasn't the problem here.
Wishing for another video soon and better examples.
photodeus 2 years ago
Sorry for the poor rhetoric. I only want to reform postal codes and abolish square search grids and say that any system which could make maps dispensable is a progress.
On WTC 9/11 additional panic arised because the helpers didn't know which one is the tower 1 or 2. Just for to distiguish two towers, today we need a map. If the cardinal points map/reality don't coincide, we'll even go wrong. What's wrong? THE ADDRESS. Should we defend such addresses?
Thank you for the second chance.
VolksNav 2 years ago
Lol i was reading about this phenomenon just yesterday :3
ZerqTM 2 years ago
you do know that a "Quantum Jump" is the SMALEST modification Physics are able to measure, don't you?
ewrh78 2 years ago 2
yes ... but how he used it was in the sense of going from zero to one without passing through 0.00000001 , 0.5 or 0 .9999999etc.
SaintCog 2 years ago
Well, in this case "quantum jump" has a double meaning:
- a relevant innovation
- a jump between quantifying directions and positions and NOT quantifying such information, without passing through info like NorthNorthEast.
VolksNav 2 years ago
...danke schoen for clarifying...
SaintCog 2 years ago
a "quantum leap" is an event in which a quantum particle (not an atom or bigger) passes a "wall" which's resistance shouldn't allow it to.
in the macro-world, that would be a person going through a wall, without actually passing the barrier.
in the macro world, that would be equivalent to a "wormhole", which connects two areas of spacetime, without an actual, measurable distance.
for an analogous event, see the "Tunneleffekt".
Würde mich über einen Email-Kontakt freuen!Tolle Idee, Henrique
dagod79 2 years ago
Hey Great stuff! Thanks for great info!
catsaysmeow007 2 years ago