I agree completely, the Fusen Ryu-BJJ connection is mostly a myth because the Gracies did not want to site Judo as the parent art. Sadly, it has been often repeated.
Watch Judo newaza of the period and compare it to BJJ.
That's half the school right there. Only about 5 more kata left undemonstrated, all from seiza (idori).
No ground fighting- not as we know it today (like Finny said). That was a strategy used to "defeat" the Kodokan boys. Sit down, choke and lock. That looks like a kendojo/multi-purpose room. That is opposed to the Judojo, which is usually laid with Tatami and spring floors.
Fusen Ryu AFAIK is not specifically a "ground oriented" style. I believe that is a myth that arose due to the Fusen Ryu beating Kano's Kodokan Judo folks using ground techniques, which led to the creation of Kosen Judo, which is supposedly the origin of BJJ.
Not completly, beause maeda was a high ranked kosen judoka and also high ranked fusen ryuka! He was send from kano to brazil (america didn´t want him) where he fought matchfights and taught the gracies. read "mastering jiu jitsu" from renzo gracie i got the info from there! greetings!
kosen rules didnt exist when maeda went to brazil,all kodokan judo was heavily into groundwork at the time so much so that kano deliberately limited it which created the breakaway kosen universities
Billysue is correct. Maeda left Japan before kosen judo even existed. He also did not train fusen ryu. Neither of those things are stated in "Mastering Jujutsu" by Renzo Gracie as I own the book.
@holdyerground1 kosen judo isnt a style and was never created by anyone,its a ruleset that the kodokan abandoned to make for more spectacular contests.Everything in kosen was once in all of judo.The judo taught to carlos gracie was just regular judo of the time and tactics maeda picked up in matchfights
@billysue2 OMG. Another person who get's it!! Maeda sensei taought x% of his judo to Carlos. Carlos lived to what? 90 something? Does anyone know how long he really studied with Maeda and can anyone believe he really passed up his yondan (back in the day) teacher? Doubtful.
Kosen = Koko Gakko Semon Gakko ... high school and technical colleges where old rules tournaments still flourished ... but is is judo.
the founder of Sambo died (firing squad) rather than say "not Japanese"
@Finny1996 I think Maeda taught little Carlos Gracie self-defense techniques and, told him (and the other students in the class) that it was jujitsu, since the western world used that term to describe all Japanese martial arts. They wouldn't have understood the difference between Judo and, Jujitsu and, if he told them it was Judo and, not jujitsu, they would have been disappointed.
Kosen is not a style, it's the rules used in the Japanese technical schools, that favor ground tactics, or Ne Waza.
Gostei muito, pena que a arte hoje é desvalorizada!!
MARCELO58494 2 months ago
Great technic
r4venshield 10 months ago
I agree completely, the Fusen Ryu-BJJ connection is mostly a myth because the Gracies did not want to site Judo as the parent art. Sadly, it has been often repeated.
Watch Judo newaza of the period and compare it to BJJ.
Then watch Fusen Ryu & compare it to BJJ.
The answer is clear.
mesa449 1 year ago
ouch! those are some nasty hardwood floor ukemi. tough dudes!
pacificimporters 1 year ago
Great throwing techniques. I have to forget the story of Fusen Ryu as ground fighting style of JJ, or not?
juottavi 2 years ago
I like this one.
ninjazz 2 years ago
uchimata ftw
youthfatality 2 years ago
This is from Fujitani sensei's lineage.
That's half the school right there. Only about 5 more kata left undemonstrated, all from seiza (idori).
No ground fighting- not as we know it today (like Finny said). That was a strategy used to "defeat" the Kodokan boys. Sit down, choke and lock. That looks like a kendojo/multi-purpose room. That is opposed to the Judojo, which is usually laid with Tatami and spring floors.
uberfox 3 years ago
This is pretty neat, but I thought it would be 100% ground fighting.
T850CSM101a1676 3 years ago
Fusen Ryu AFAIK is not specifically a "ground oriented" style. I believe that is a myth that arose due to the Fusen Ryu beating Kano's Kodokan Judo folks using ground techniques, which led to the creation of Kosen Judo, which is supposedly the origin of BJJ.
Finny1996 5 years ago
Neat video. Got anymore from Fusen-ryu?
AntiGracieJiujitsu 4 years ago
"which led to the creation of Kosen Judo, which is supposedly the origin of BJJ."
This last portion is totally fallacious. Kosen Judo was not created for this reason. BJJ does not come from Kosen Judo.
holdyerground1 2 years ago
Not completly, beause maeda was a high ranked kosen judoka and also high ranked fusen ryuka! He was send from kano to brazil (america didn´t want him) where he fought matchfights and taught the gracies. read "mastering jiu jitsu" from renzo gracie i got the info from there! greetings!
joergus 2 years ago
kosen rules didnt exist when maeda went to brazil,all kodokan judo was heavily into groundwork at the time so much so that kano deliberately limited it which created the breakaway kosen universities
billysue2 2 years ago
Billysue is correct. Maeda left Japan before kosen judo even existed. He also did not train fusen ryu. Neither of those things are stated in "Mastering Jujutsu" by Renzo Gracie as I own the book.
holdyerground1 2 years ago
@holdyerground1 in all fairness,anything a gracie comes out with is not to be believed,theyre notorious liars where thyre art is concerned.
billysue2 1 year ago
@holdyerground1 kosen judo isnt a style and was never created by anyone,its a ruleset that the kodokan abandoned to make for more spectacular contests.Everything in kosen was once in all of judo.The judo taught to carlos gracie was just regular judo of the time and tactics maeda picked up in matchfights
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Yeah, did I say any of that?
holdyerground1 1 year ago
@billysue2 OMG. Another person who get's it!! Maeda sensei taought x% of his judo to Carlos. Carlos lived to what? 90 something? Does anyone know how long he really studied with Maeda and can anyone believe he really passed up his yondan (back in the day) teacher? Doubtful.
Kosen = Koko Gakko Semon Gakko ... high school and technical colleges where old rules tournaments still flourished ... but is is judo.
the founder of Sambo died (firing squad) rather than say "not Japanese"
shinjukool 1 year ago
@Finny1996 I think Maeda taught little Carlos Gracie self-defense techniques and, told him (and the other students in the class) that it was jujitsu, since the western world used that term to describe all Japanese martial arts. They wouldn't have understood the difference between Judo and, Jujitsu and, if he told them it was Judo and, not jujitsu, they would have been disappointed.
Kosen is not a style, it's the rules used in the Japanese technical schools, that favor ground tactics, or Ne Waza.
MrPotatoesLatkie 1 year ago
@Finny1996 The origin of BJJ is just Kodokan Judo, Mitsuyo Maeda never trained Kosen.
Rnt911 11 months ago
@Finny1996 It is a misunderstanding reproduced by John Danaher in his Mastering Jujitsu.
EunusRex 2 months ago
the second to last technique is my favorite =)
KageNinja12 5 years ago
But... Fusen ryu is a ground oriented school, or i am wrong?
ska4fun 5 years ago
yes it is, but these throwing techniques are how you get your opponent on the ground in the first place ^.^
KageNinja12 5 years ago
only can see black :O it's not working.
onniman 5 years ago
thats ace. on a hard floor too-ouch
rottunpunk 5 years ago
awesome, I saw this video awhile back on bushinjuku & liked it. here it is again.
idma 5 years ago
Oww. Floor is hard. :)
markainslie 5 years ago
wood flooring is traditional in japanese martial arts studios, and it's not as hard as you might think (plus they know how to fall correctly)
KageNinja12 5 years ago
it's a floor similar to the one used on basketball
it's made to don't hurt (much)
efsq 4 years ago
um no...its the technique of ukemi that lessens the impact of falling...not the floor
legitpl 4 years ago