will people stop posting their joining the SF its fucking pointless you join 2 dissapear its highly secretive and those who blab on the internet most likey wont be selectect as part of a security pack they go over your internet 2 make sure your not a fucking terroist so shut the fuck up if you are keep it between your mates the internet does not have 2 know your ambitions if you want glory be a fucking actor on sea patrol..
In the US, individual sections tend to focus on special roles whereas we are pretty much Jack of all trades - and masters of a few of them. We are able to perform at a level in many different tasks and roles that would require five or six or even seven American units to fulfill .CD's are often described as 'special forces' in the military sense or mistaken for US Navy SEALS. We are neither. We are Royal Australian Navy 'Clearance Divers'.
Do the RAN clearance divers do assault teams like the commando's and the SAS regiment? I think I read about the RAN Clearance Diver TAG regiment or something? Just wondering if someone could confirm it.
@PhenakismMedia Well from what i heard they only do things like disarm bombs and shit. They can disarm a bomb that can destroy a whole battle ship just by their touching senses. However, i did see a book that was about the clearance divers and it said that they train with commandos on counter terrorism. The Navy Clearance Divers are not part of the special operations command so they are not really Special Forces but they train with each other.
@daaskapital1 Well I am joining the RAN clearance divers and they can apply to join SASR after a bit of service I think. I am hoping to do TAG east or TAG west eventually.
@PhenakismMedia mate, i wish you luck with your future career paths. I have done some more research on the Navy clearance divers and they do infact train in counter terrorism for tag east. They are constantly on hold just in case there is a problem with bombs out at sea. I too am hoping to one day try out for the SASR or commandos. If you really want to do TAG East or West, i suggest you should probably join the army in infantry, after 2 years, either try out for SASR or CDO and then you will be
@PhenakismMedia chosen to do TAG West or East. Or, alternatively, you could apply to RAN straight to Clearance Divers and hopefully be chosen for TAG East. (It may be a bit harder through the RAN as there are fewer Clearance Divers and tougher as there are less positions. Anyway, i wish you the best
@daaskapital1 Thanks mate. I will be doing clearance diving first for the RAN just because I want the challenge and the lifestyle. After that I will probably try for TAG east or west or SASR, if there are no positions for clearance divers I will then go to commando's and then SASR. Thanks again for clarifying and helping me. Best of luck to you to mate.
@AUSmanci Yeah, upon further research, i have came to the conclusion that they are Special Forces. Considering they make up a part of TAG E, there is no doubt they are.
@12TCB Standard comment from, more than likely, a shit cunt Deck Ape who knows fuck-all! You're more than welcome to come down one of the teams a voice your opinion in person hero!!
They used to be parachute trained during their IET phase years ago...now they dont get their golden icecream cone wings.
Do they still use the .50 AW Anti material rifle anymore? I have never seen any photos or or news about it since the teams acquired the rifle back in '02/03.
@birdfly43 Lol , No the clearance diver is more qualified as we have alot less of them so they are trained to do all duties, where as navy seals are much more abundent they tend to specialize in a certain area.
if you are not afraid of death and can stand mental and physical pain to breaking point and are the fittest personn in the world then maybe this job is for you
story lads? im irish and was wondering if i could join the australian navy as i would love to be a clearance diver? any advice would help or maybe the us navy
Grahto is right dude...and now we're over there helping out with the last tsunami providing construction and medical aid. I don't see why you would possibly want to be a prick towards us.
What the fuck are you on about? We were protecting Indonesia from the Japanese in World War 2. And guess who trains your military? We might not have the numbers Indonesia has, but our soldiers are 100 times better trained. So grab your bolt action .22 rifles (because your poor government can't afford anything better) and shove them up your inbred arse.
Oh and when is Indonesia going to pick up the dead bodies of Indonesian children that floated onto our beaches after the 2004 tsunami? Cunt
Hey, can any one tell me if the maritime tactical operation men wear body armour on a real life operation?? oh and if you know aswell can you please tell me how long the gate to gate is in the 2 weeks testing entry for clearance divers... thinking of joining after my HSC! really would appreciate any advise
This is a sick vid! Hope i get in, it's a very Competitive role, that requires elite fitness - this is not a special forces role, but that do conduct specialst diving roles, and the requirements are not seen anywhere elses besides SF.... and CD are highly regarded by there SF peers.
The pre-requisites for this kinda sport, old man, is an ability to be competitive in an Ironman triathlon, and a deathwish.
Oh, and a brain to think on your feet. The only issue is coping with the deep sea dives, benz tolerance, with a nitrogen mixture in your lungs, nasty stuff like going on an ecstasy rave party, except you drown happily. Its the only time where a person dies with a tranquil smile whilst being garroted by water.
stop comparing your dick sizes and give me some advice, i will have a yr 12 hsc qualification with a UAI as an extra, i go to the gym regularly and i am quite healthy. i have done diving etc before and i love the ocean. im only 16 now but im in yr 11, im an above average student but only by a little. can i make it as a clearance diver?
mate uai and shit doesnt matter at all for clearance diver, a clearance diver is a sailor not an officer. hsc may help with recruitment but not specifically for a cd. all that will help you in regards to being a cd is showing you really want it. call the recruitment centre asking for positions. and obviously... be very fit.
hmm true... i would love to be a clearance diver... or an engineer officer... i have to choose soon so that i can get in by the time im 18... cause of the 2 year waiting period
It is quite a hard course from what ive heard, it is like 6 months longer then to become a Navy SEAL for america, I may be trying out for it in two and a bit years when i finish year 12. Good Luck! tell me if you make it = )
"In the US, individual sections tend to focus on special roles whereas we are pretty much Jack of all trades - and masters of a few of them. We are able to perform at a level in many different tasks and roles that would require five or six or even seven American units to fulfil.
CDs are often described as 'special forces' in the military sense or mistaken for Navy SEALS.
We are neither. We are Royal Australian Navy 'Clearance Divers'."
For those of you who are interested the best description about what a CD can or could do can be found at the Wikipedia page for "Frogmen" youtube wont let me enter the URL. gl!
Dont make comment on shit you know fuck all about dipshit!!!
If anyone wants to find a good description on what we do then use your fucking brains and check out the defence web sites as everything can be found in these pages..!
And sharpz123, dont bother applying for Diving Officer or Clearance Diver cause from the sound of things you know fuckall and would just be an embarrassment to the branch..!!!
Was looking into becoming a Navy Officer myself, grandad and great grandad were both officers in the RAN. Clearance Dive Officer looks the way to go! Not sure if the RAN's staff shortfall would include this unit tho...
Yeah ok mate...!! Diving officers do fuck all in terms of diving but if you enjoy being stuck behind a desk and having the piss taking out of you by the AB's and alike then go right ahead...There are only a few good diving officers and the rest are shit fights but go ahead im sure you'll fit right in....
Жаль, но я не говорю на чешском языке, и Вы вероятно не говорите на болгарском языке. Таким образом я пишу этому на русском языке, надеясь, что Вы говорите на русском языке.
Как Вы знаете об австралийских Морских водолазах? Вы имеете друга, который был водолазом? :)
As a diver it would be shit, because normally they wear auscam, and now they've got to wear blue auscam with reflective strips and rate badges and crap...... Divers should be excluded from having to wear them, besides I prefer the one piece as you can never misplace it unlike two!
You never have put on a pair of the gray overalls havent you they are so FUCKING HOTTT I feel sorry for the poor MT's who have to wear them FUCK THE GRAY OVERALLS HOT N HEAVEY!!!!!!
Umm yes I certainly fucken have worn them.... And yes I have a good understanding what the stokers have to endure,especially wearing them together with fearnought firefighting suit, OCCABA, helmet etc when doing fire exercises in the MMR spaces... (Ex RAN 2004-2008)
I always wonder... Are they carryng their combat boots to walk when they get out of the ocean??? Sorry I just did apnea and I can"t imagine how they change their fins for their boots so fast.
In responce to your question, no. Personally, I have not seen the SASR using their skills. However, I do have a friend who is ex SASR who was assigned to do free fall. Even in that role, part of his basic training was underwater demolitions and diving to around 10m, including submerged submarine insertions. If that is what a free fall qualified operator does, imagine what it is for someone actually assigned to specialise in underwater work.
Yes, they all, after some time, cross train in one other, and in most situations, two extra, methods of insertion. For once you've got something right :)
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I did a bit of research, and CDs can transfer to TAG(E). However, in order to they must meet the same requirements as 4RAR (much higher than CD minimum requirements). In TAG(E), CDs mainly provide support for water based operations, however may also be employed as 'maritime snipers' and assaulter's.
Having said that, the only Australian SF unit the standard CD matches up to is the Air Defence Guards, being as they have their skills + water skills. TAG(E) CDs are a different story.
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I don't see what was so off. Air Defence Guards are essentially light infantry confined to airfields. RAN CDs have the basic infantry skills, though are specialised in water and demolition ops + some CT. Next up is the Army Reserve Commandos which have their own water and demolition experts, though are more diverse. 4RAR is similar, only better trained + CT. Finally, the SASR is on top with the most training in all fields for it's specialists (with everyone specialising in several skills).
You 'don't see what was so off'. Exactly... you've made my point for me; you just don't get it, do you?
Is your entire argument premised upon the basis of one's infantry skills? Further, you, like the majority who frequent this site, seem to think that you can just reduce the variables down to a simplistic imperative, and compare & contrast outfits & units that simply can't be equated. They all specialise in different fields of expertise, albiet with some overlap in certain areas.
My entire argument is not based on infantry skills. I was just mentioning them because that is all Air Defence Guards have, whereas every single other SF unit has basic infantry skills + additional skills. Every single unit can be compared on the skills they have in common.
Yes, there are some over-arching that units share in common, However, the other variables are too many and complex, so as to render any effective comparison moot. The whole exercise of trying to compare microwaves with dishwashers is as useless as it is pointless.
You also seem to think, and somewhat erroneously, that there's a 'pecking order' in terms of who's the most elite & so on. You go as far as to say that SASR are at the apex, with the 'most training fields for its spedcialists'. Are you suggesting that their divers eclipse the standard and expertise of the CDs? They use their swimming skills as a method of insertion, nothing else! Their training in the water pales into insignificance when compared to a Clearance Diver's.
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I didn't suggest that SASR diving specialists eclipse the CDs, I practically said it out right. They have specialists who can dive to the same depths, yet specialise in several skills, and basic SASR demolition skills far exceed that of the CDs. You honestly think the SASR only uses it's water skills as a method of insertion? Then why do they do underwater demolitions? Why do they do deep water diving when water insertions are from relatively shallow depths? Think.
They have specialists who can dive to the same depths? Are you having a laugh? Just where do you source your information?
The basic demolitions skills of an SASR trooper surpass that of a CD? Again, mate, what in Christ's name are you on about? I've seen first hand what their 'basic demolition skills entail Have you? Please tell me, have you? Underwater demolitions are the CDs bread & butter. It's not a primary tasking within the SASR.
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Well, lets look at this in a different way. Does a CD know exactly what explosive to use in what quantity to blow a hole in a door so that there is no excess blast (even NZSAS can't do that). The SASR is not purely a recon force. They do everything, from sabotage, to neutralisation of specific personnel, to long range recon, to close target recon (eg. recceing a beach), counter terrorism, personal protection etc. etc. the basic demolition skills of an SASR trooper are easily on par with CDs.
How do I know this? Because I served on line in the CT capacity in the '80s, when the boat troop of the sabre squadron on line was divided amongst Regiment swimmers & CDs. They're fantastic operators, they're second to none in terms of long-range-reconnaisance - there's nobody better. But they don't cut the mustard when it comes to keeping up with clandestine beach recces, ship attack or any other 'frogman' type of operation.
CDs are Australia's premier water operators, simple.
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They are a RECONNAISSANCE based force. You honestly expect me to believe that CDs are superior to them in ANY recon operation? Their primary role in exactly that, and they receive the longest and best training in that field.
Not as good at ship assaults? You do realise that you are talking about a group that rotates all of it's members through TAG(W) right? They are just as good at ship assaults as TAG(E), if not better (a civilian can basically join TAG(E) for crying out loud...).
Smallfryzie, please read my posts carefully. I stated in an earlier post that SASR's reconniasance skills are second to none... i'e., they're the best at it. That's long-range, deep penetrative reconnaisance behind enemy lines.
Clandestine beach recces are another thing entirely - completely different set of skills, different environment etc.
I did read your posts carefully, as I am reading this one. I don't think you really understand the skills of the SASR. You are aware that some CDs do go on to the SASR right (rarely)? It is designed to be capable of doing everything every other SF unit is capable of. Upon joining the regiment, a trooper or officer is assigned to either do free fall work or deep water work. In amongst those you have demolition specialists, snipers, signallers, all which are trained to the top of their fields
Don't tell me that I don't understand the skills of the SASR, Little boy! I mentioned to you that I served as a CD in the '80s, which included a stint 'on line... that's on line CT. In addition to the CD course, I attended the Regiment Cadre course, followed by CQB. I say again, DO NOT attempt to suggest that I don't understand what I'm saying here. Your misguided, confused and altogether inaccurate rambling is becoming rather boring.
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Don't brag about attending SASR selection for two reasons. Firstly, you clearly failed. Secondly, my friend who I mentioned earlier has worked as an assessor in the course on more than one occasion (because he passed and he was very good at what he did). I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about when he told me that the SASR has deep diving specialists. In the regiment, your either that or a free fall parachute specialist, and even in free fall you do underwater work to around 10m.
Sorry mate. You wanna' run that one by me again? Boasting about the cadre course... failing?
Back before Tag East/West, CT operations were conducted solely by SASR in the west, with CDs making up the numbers in the boat troop from the on-line sabre squadron.
All CDs, prior to attending the assaulter's or sniper's course, fast driving etc., were required to attend and pass the cadre course as a prerequisite.
If your'alleged' mate is so informed, ask him about this.
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I am well aware that before East and West, the SASR ran the only TAG. My friend rotated through there a couple of times. Tell me, did the CDs actually get used on a real mission in the original TAG, or were they there just for training?
There was a period where it was trialled so that all special forces used the SASR selection course, but that cut the number of successful applicant to the lesser units that it was abolished. Is that what you are talking about?
The CDs functioned as fully intregrative members of the on-line boat troop, whether as assaulters, snipers or MOEs (Method Of Entry). The CDs that rotated back on-line for a second 'tour' were usually made team leaders. In other words, there was no distinction made between CD or Trooper.
(I know this may sound like semantic nit-picking, but they were referred to as 'options' rather than 'missions'. :)
To answer the question regarding selection, I know what you mean by the collapsing' of SF selection into the one package; that initiative came about with the advent of commandoes being raised as a fulltime force. That occurred after my time.
No, we had to satisfy the Regiment by successfully comleting the old cadre selection course, which was held at Northam, but included phases at Bindoon army training area as well as the Stirling Ranges.
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You still didn't answer the question. Did any clearance divers actually get deployed on a real mission/option with the TAG, or were they just there making up numbers?
If the CDs attempted the course, the pass rate would have been extremely low. The majority would have certainly been made up of actual SASR troopers. I guess that they would have been accpted into the TAG after meeting SASR requirements. Still, that doesn't prove they are better at water based missions.
1. Yes. I thought the point was rather explicit. Everyone in the boat troop is an integral member of the whole operation.
2. NO... The CDs enjoyed an extremely high pass rate. Seven CDs started my course, six were successful. the one who didn't finish was withdrawn medically due to achilles tondonitis. The courses prior to and subsequent to mine yielded similar results.
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1. You still didn't answer my question. Looks like you read it wrong. Have CDs been deployed with the TAG on a REAL mission? I'm talking about assaulting a target that contains real people with real hostages and real weapons.
2. How many people were on the course and how many passed in total, including the CDs?
So what you are trying to say it that you have bigger kahounies than somebody else. Good for you! :-) Personally, I am just glad that we have all of you. Navy, Army, Airforce, Regiment etc. Thanks guys, you don't need to be toughter than each other, you guys are all tougher than most already.
I wish these fucking boxes allowed for a higher word count!
The aim of CDs doing the cadre course was purely to satisfy the Regiment that they were getting the sort of personnel they needed. It didn't mean the CDs were in any way members of the Regiment! There was no requirement to attend the patrol course or anything like that, either. After CQB & fast driving etc., It was straight on-line, and then back to one of the diving teams after the 12 month period. Hope that clears up any confusion.
No, no, no. And once again, no. They DO NOT engage in deep water work. (Stop pretending that you don't know what you're talking about.)
It sounds as though you're attempting to endow me with your expansive wealth of knowledge on what happens within the confines of two highly specialised outfits, despite never having been exposed to either. This I find kond of amusing, if not insulting.
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The SASR is not highly specialised. In fact, it probably just about has the most capabilities of any other SF unit of it's type in the world. People in the regiment specialise in several skills, not just one. For example, in addition to my friend being a free fall specialist, he was also a sniper and a hand-to-hand combat specialist, and that is just half the fields in which he specialised that I know of. You may have worked with the SASR, but clearly not with their diving specialists.
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"Who the fuck else are CDs going to combine with? The bloody HALO jumpers?" Free fall specialists do not only do HALO jumps. In answer to your question, quite possibly yes. Even those who are not diving specialists are trained in underwater work as part of their basic skills, including demolitions and submarine insertions. Because they do not specialise in this field, they may, on occasion, work with Navy personnel who do.
I didn't say 'ship assaults'. Rather, I bore reference to 'ship attack', which is a specifically used turn-of-phrase within the military with reference to underwater frogman attacks against shippiing by way of attaching limpet mines or other similar devices.
It's often considered a mistake to take someone to task on an issue when you've scant knowledge on the subject matter.
Ah, now I understand what you mean by 'ship attack'. Lets have a look at where the SASR came from. There was input from several existing SF units around the world into the creation of the SASR, in particular the 'Z Forces'. They got in trouble at one stage for sneaking into a harbour and planting fake explosives on a ship as part of a training exercise. To this day, almost every unit called SAS practices this kind of activity.
OK... you've been subjected to a torrent of bullshit on this site by a variety of armchair experts claiming this & that about CDs.
I want you to know one thing: the only people that enjoy privileged access to the goings on of Clearance Divers and their capabilities/roles & tasks are Clearance Divers themselves. To this end, I suggest that you exercise some caution as to what you read here. (That includes what I say!)
To answer your last question: CDs and SEALs engage in a variety of different operational taskings. Some of these overlap, allowing for operational cross-training between the two groups. But essentially, they are very different. CDs are more your classic 'frogmen' in the true sense of the word, whilst SEALs spend more time involved in what's known as 'back-of-beach operations'. In other words, CDs spend more time under the water. A better analogy would be between the former US UDTs and CDs.
So having said this, the answer is no... CDs are not the equivalent of SEALs, and by logical extension, SEALs are not the equivalent of CDs. Each have extremely high levels of specialisation.
However, in terms of professionalism & commitment, both are on par with each other. During my time as a CD, I engaged in a number of beach recces and other exercises with SEALs, and the mutual respect for each other was unprecedented. In fact, I'm still in contact with two of them from the early 1990s.
thanks zdlx, and is the job all it is cracked up to be, or not, or should i just become a boatswains mate- much easier, as i heard they also do diving. And what is the differnece between working on a team and on a ship? what differnt roles. Thanks
I'll need to answer your questions segmentally, as the limited word-count is insufficient for detail.
To address your first point - is it 'all it is cracked up to be', well, I don't know what your expectations are, so it's difficult to assess this.
It most certainly is a difficult and arduous selection process, and the operational tasking within the teams can indeed prove test the mettle of the best of 'em.
Bosun's Mate or CD? I was a Weapons Mechanic, then a Quarter Master Gunner prior to CD (the former two ratings pretty much equate to that of Bosun's Mate). Personally, there's no comparison - my career as a CD wins hands down! The rewards far exceed that of anything that Bosun's Mate is likely to offer.
Yes, you can dive as a BM; everyone in the Navy is entitled to train as a ship's diver. This is in effect the first 3 weeks of a CD course (at least it was when I was serving). Obviously it's not entirely easy, but at the same time, nowhere near as competetive as the CD course proper.
Remember though, that as a ship's diver, you're still primarily a BM, and there may be quite a few drinks in between dives. (Don't expect to get your head wet on a routine basis!)
Once you finish the clearance diving training, are you automatically posted to a Clearance Diving Team, or do you first serve on naval ships and shore establishments. I was just curious as i am interested in becoming one, i know all about the training and what they do, I'm just not 100% sure what happens after the training is finished. Help would be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot
If you're 'selected' upon completion of the CD course, then it's highly unlikely that you wouldn't be posted to one of the operational teams.
A very small number of clearance divers serve part of their careers at sea, but this is hardly representative of a diver's naval career.
I was a CD from 1986-1996 and served for ten months on the HMAS Darwin and 3 months on the Stuart. The rest of my time was spent between Teams one and two, along with a 12 month stint at Campbell Barracks.
Late '89... Stuart returned to Garden Island in early '90. We spent Christmas & the new year in Hong Kong. Were you still onboard for that deployment?
Heh, I certainly was, an ABRP. That was the trip with Torrens. I still remember Christmas day - the Yanks looking over at us from their dry ship(I forget the name now) in envy as we all had a feast and got pissed on 1 deck aft.
Yeah... I do remember there being a US ship alongside over Christmas. It was a supply ship or something.
One of my most enduring memories of that trip was of a certain bridge watch-keeping officer, whose hand-over policy for the oncoming officer-of-the-watch included hunting for these plastic dinosaurs that he'd hidden around the bridge. But then, if you were an RP, it's not likely that you would have been partial to this charade, being locked away in the darkened confines of the ops room.
i don't know why the f**k everybody refers to american commandos like their shit don't stink. america wouldn't have commando or and special forces at all if it wasn't for the british commando the american decided they needed a commando unit and who did they turn to the brits even now they still turn to the brits even the australians.
also if the wanted to recon a beach in enemey terri they wouldnt send cdo or SAS CD's are trained for that ive read in many threads on sites CD's training the only training supasses is the SAS
They are no special forces. They are not a part of SOCOMD. The specialize in mine warfare, hydrographic survey, underwater repair and recovery. They are nothing like SEALs. They do no have the same selection, training or mission sets as SEALs. They are not an offensive force by any stretch. Google them or check the Navy website and do a search. If people want to run around on the land shooting people then join the army and then army SF-not the navy.
fucking hell you don't know shit about them man. I was speaking to a SEAL on a forum and he even said the cross train alot and they do most the shit they do but CD's dont go into raiding building in deep inland etc CD's have maritime tactical operations where they recon the beach clear all seamines clear any enemies on the beach you have no idea what they do
CD's can be Special forces when the get the chance to try out for TAG they come under Socomd and if you want me to show you something with that just ask
You know FUCK ALL you little PISS ANT other than what you've read or seen on TV. Dont bother making comment on shit you know nothing about unless your there or you've been there and clearly you're neither...!!!
And dont bother joining our branch (cd's) cause you sound like a fucking tool and we dont need shit cunts like you...!!!
LMAO, there is no fucking way your a CD your a twat who loves to TRY to start fights over the net, you one tough son of a bitch swearing over the internet dam your cool, get a life, and man don't call people tools lol, your the biggest tool on the net, you don't know crap all about anything, your most probably some toilet cleaner in the Navy, aww actaully i nah you worth shit
Well Actually i looked back at the comments and yea i see where your coming from, but you didnt need to act all king shit, and most of what i said is true, some off it is shit
Slugga if you are who you say you are you should have a lot more bloody sense than to embarrass your service over the net with excessive abuse and bogan rhetoric.
For your information, I have no plans on joining the CDT or the Navy, as I am already in the Australian Army, which by the way, sees far more action than the chocco's in the Navy ever will.
I was merely ponitificating what it would be like to be a CD officer and if it means dealing with undiciplined shitheads like you count me out!
It's disappointing to notice they don't do combat parachuting as part of their basic training anymore. Years ago you were awarded the Gold parachute wings after doing your qualification jump, but now it seems all old hat. Shame really!
CD's training is really classified you don't hear much about it from my point of veiw it's about nearly the same to the SAS training 24 try out 14 only get in. On the 28th of October,ABC1 20:00 :) (8:00pm) and show is on them doing training it's a first ever seen there like SEALs nobody know what they train only the basic stuff
I also have heard that there is a 12 month waiting list for CD wannabes, is that correct? Why the allure if they are not really SF? Personally I reckon alot of these wannabes have been watching NAVY SEALS too many times but if there is a different explaination please provide!
So the CD's are NOT SF? I can understand the argument presented by a few of you here explaining why the divers are not special forces. Seems to me the ADF thinks it already has enough SF capability with SASR and Cdo units.
But is it true that SASR and Cdo get alot of taskings to the point that that they're getting stretched to the limit?
If so then why not have the CDs get that kind of capability and missions?
No thanks...I prefer to earn an honest living!:P I can go home everyday knowing that I did work and that I did earn my pay!
Australia hasn't been attacked since World War 2, and has never been invaded since 1788. Australia has no natural enemies and is not in danger of invasion, so why join up? And don't say anything along the lines of "Muslim Terrorists want to blow up our cities and rape our women"!
So...aspiring to become a CD eh? Lucky for you spelling is not a requirement to join!:D
Australia hasnt been invaded! "thanks for doing such a great job at protecting my freedom australian defence force"
and no i preffer my real career fixing choppers. which i might add will pay more than your job ever will and ill never work as hard. Lucky for you no one gets paid for good spelling!
OMG i would fucvking slatter you good luck when i go in the navy and being saved you do realise that there are russian terriorists with a possiblility of nuclear bombs.
U cunt theeres always a chance of something happening you really expect a country to not defend itself of course we would be invaded if we didnt have an army look what happened to aboriginies and indians u reatreded fuck.
Everyday theres a chance of dieing hopefully yours is today.
They do bud they do alot of classified shit that you don't hear about you hear more about 4RAR thenCD's 4RAR and SAS think there special forces there training is fucked and only about 26 people are allowed to try out and only around 12-14 make it it's everybit like SEALs
Glad to see the bubblies are getting a bit of limelight for a change... Yeah the SASR and Cdo's are at the top of the spear in AUS Spec Ops, but we do an equally hazardous and just as thankless task regardless!!!
Outside Special Forces, the RAN CDT is the toughest unit to get into, and with very good reason. Some of you tubers think alot if its for show, but in reality there's more to than meets the eye...
Aus CD's are shit. Get REAL MEN to do the job like me....Platoon 3 Swanbourne SASR. Just keep blowing up mines you fckn pussy cunts!
12TCB 1 month ago
will people stop posting their joining the SF its fucking pointless you join 2 dissapear its highly secretive and those who blab on the internet most likey wont be selectect as part of a security pack they go over your internet 2 make sure your not a fucking terroist so shut the fuck up if you are keep it between your mates the internet does not have 2 know your ambitions if you want glory be a fucking actor on sea patrol..
laserscope1 3 months ago
In the US, individual sections tend to focus on special roles whereas we are pretty much Jack of all trades - and masters of a few of them. We are able to perform at a level in many different tasks and roles that would require five or six or even seven American units to fulfill .CD's are often described as 'special forces' in the military sense or mistaken for US Navy SEALS. We are neither. We are Royal Australian Navy 'Clearance Divers'.
chanceaust 4 months ago 2
Hey mate nice vid! I watched the ABC 'Navy Divers' doco which was awesome!Cheers!
jesseka1989 8 months ago
Do the RAN clearance divers do assault teams like the commando's and the SAS regiment? I think I read about the RAN Clearance Diver TAG regiment or something? Just wondering if someone could confirm it.
PhenakismMedia 8 months ago
@PhenakismMedia Well from what i heard they only do things like disarm bombs and shit. They can disarm a bomb that can destroy a whole battle ship just by their touching senses. However, i did see a book that was about the clearance divers and it said that they train with commandos on counter terrorism. The Navy Clearance Divers are not part of the special operations command so they are not really Special Forces but they train with each other.
daaskapital1 7 months ago
@daaskapital1 Well I am joining the RAN clearance divers and they can apply to join SASR after a bit of service I think. I am hoping to do TAG east or TAG west eventually.
PhenakismMedia 7 months ago
@PhenakismMedia mate, i wish you luck with your future career paths. I have done some more research on the Navy clearance divers and they do infact train in counter terrorism for tag east. They are constantly on hold just in case there is a problem with bombs out at sea. I too am hoping to one day try out for the SASR or commandos. If you really want to do TAG East or West, i suggest you should probably join the army in infantry, after 2 years, either try out for SASR or CDO and then you will be
daaskapital1 7 months ago
@PhenakismMedia chosen to do TAG West or East. Or, alternatively, you could apply to RAN straight to Clearance Divers and hopefully be chosen for TAG East. (It may be a bit harder through the RAN as there are fewer Clearance Divers and tougher as there are less positions. Anyway, i wish you the best
daaskapital1 7 months ago
@daaskapital1 Thanks mate. I will be doing clearance diving first for the RAN just because I want the challenge and the lifestyle. After that I will probably try for TAG east or west or SASR, if there are no positions for clearance divers I will then go to commando's and then SASR. Thanks again for clarifying and helping me. Best of luck to you to mate.
PhenakismMedia 7 months ago
@PhenakismMedia No problem mate. Thanks for wishing me luck. I wish you luck as well in any and every choice you make.
daaskapital1 7 months ago
@daaskapital1 nah mate they are special forces... they rotate between 4 different awesome categories wich does include maritime tactical operations
AUSmanci 5 months ago
@AUSmanci Yeah, upon further research, i have came to the conclusion that they are Special Forces. Considering they make up a part of TAG E, there is no doubt they are.
daaskapital1 5 months ago
Great tribute to an often overlooked ( by the gerneral public) Special unit.
Thanks for everything you do, lads.
Antifaith29 11 months ago
yeah which one bubble head cock licker, waterhen or Penguin. Even better meet at Bells Hotel....FUCKSTICK LOSER CUM GARGLER.
12TCB 11 months ago
YOU CUNTS ARE FUCK ALL. AND IM A EX PUSSER RAN
12TCB 11 months ago
@12TCB Standard comment from, more than likely, a shit cunt Deck Ape who knows fuck-all! You're more than welcome to come down one of the teams a voice your opinion in person hero!!
slugga1278 11 months ago
All these photos were leached from the rancd-assoc. web page
TCFan25 1 year ago
They aren't special forces ladies and gents, they are highly trained but they are no navy SEALs, expecially SEAL team 6.
thetowndrunk1 1 year ago
They used to be parachute trained during their IET phase years ago...now they dont get their golden icecream cone wings.
Do they still use the .50 AW Anti material rifle anymore? I have never seen any photos or or news about it since the teams acquired the rifle back in '02/03.
TCFan25 1 year ago
AHAHAHAHA lucas!!!!!!
its mackenzie :D
nicoleisawsome931773 1 year ago
The only job really worth pursuing in the navy...the rest is second best
TCFan25 1 year ago
WHAT is this music!? I have heard it somewhere before!
s0052701 1 year ago
Mate awesome vid! Vey well done. I'm literally torn between Navy and Army as to I want to do after school... This vid is great, good work.
s0052701 1 year ago
the aussie navy seal
birdfly43 1 year ago
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phans12 1 year ago
@birdfly43 Lol , No the clearance diver is more qualified as we have alot less of them so they are trained to do all duties, where as navy seals are much more abundent they tend to specialize in a certain area.
phans12 1 year ago
@birdfly43 The Aussie UDT more like it...just better trained.
TCFan25 1 year ago
if you are not afraid of death and can stand mental and physical pain to breaking point and are the fittest personn in the world then maybe this job is for you
fenrecords 2 years ago
story lads? im irish and was wondering if i could join the australian navy as i would love to be a clearance diver? any advice would help or maybe the us navy
davidharry 2 years ago
Какво искаш да каҗеш? Сериозно ли с вашите коментари? Вие трябва да се направят някои изследвания върху историята на Австралия и Индонезия!
This sounds an awful lot like a cry for attention, purbanegoro. I think you need a hug...
zdlx 2 years ago 8
Grahto is right dude...and now we're over there helping out with the last tsunami providing construction and medical aid. I don't see why you would possibly want to be a prick towards us.
TheSixxes 2 years ago
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TheSixxes 2 years ago
Hey boys... just wondering, which job is more similar to navy seals... Australian commando or clearance diving??
Navyfighter100 2 years ago
Commando. If you need a reason just PM me.
Khang112 2 years ago
What the fuck are you on about? We were protecting Indonesia from the Japanese in World War 2. And guess who trains your military? We might not have the numbers Indonesia has, but our soldiers are 100 times better trained. So grab your bolt action .22 rifles (because your poor government can't afford anything better) and shove them up your inbred arse.
Oh and when is Indonesia going to pick up the dead bodies of Indonesian children that floated onto our beaches after the 2004 tsunami? Cunt
grahto 2 years ago 8
usually i wouldn't laugh at these kind of things, but that honestly made me chuckle.
jtojin06 2 years ago
CD's are awesome..they can be jokers one minute then totally professional the next.. Good on you CD's im so proud of you all..
josbub 2 years ago 4
Hey, can any one tell me if the maritime tactical operation men wear body armour on a real life operation?? oh and if you know aswell can you please tell me how long the gate to gate is in the 2 weeks testing entry for clearance divers... thinking of joining after my HSC! really would appreciate any advise
Navyfighter100 2 years ago
This is a sick vid! Hope i get in, it's a very Competitive role, that requires elite fitness - this is not a special forces role, but that do conduct specialst diving roles, and the requirements are not seen anywhere elses besides SF.... and CD are highly regarded by there SF peers.
Thaone007 2 years ago 2
Wow, i am amazed at the resounding display of maturity showed.. i havent seen anything this bad since the last SF video i watched..
kempaku982 2 years ago
The pre-requisites for this kinda sport, old man, is an ability to be competitive in an Ironman triathlon, and a deathwish.
Oh, and a brain to think on your feet. The only issue is coping with the deep sea dives, benz tolerance, with a nitrogen mixture in your lungs, nasty stuff like going on an ecstasy rave party, except you drown happily. Its the only time where a person dies with a tranquil smile whilst being garroted by water.
timtufuga 2 years ago 2
stop comparing your dick sizes and give me some advice, i will have a yr 12 hsc qualification with a UAI as an extra, i go to the gym regularly and i am quite healthy. i have done diving etc before and i love the ocean. im only 16 now but im in yr 11, im an above average student but only by a little. can i make it as a clearance diver?
Ultimagnet 2 years ago
mate uai and shit doesnt matter at all for clearance diver, a clearance diver is a sailor not an officer. hsc may help with recruitment but not specifically for a cd. all that will help you in regards to being a cd is showing you really want it. call the recruitment centre asking for positions. and obviously... be very fit.
LukeAussie90 2 years ago
hmm true... i would love to be a clearance diver... or an engineer officer... i have to choose soon so that i can get in by the time im 18... cause of the 2 year waiting period
Ultimagnet 2 years ago
i think there are sub-specialist options for officers to specialise in mine warfare and clearance diving.
jtojin06 2 years ago
Wow, this is Pathetic, you are sposta be Comrades
beastboy834 2 years ago
Hey im goin away soon to join the clearance diveing team.. can anyone tell me what the training is like??
bigshaneoner 2 years ago
It is quite a hard course from what ive heard, it is like 6 months longer then to become a Navy SEAL for america, I may be trying out for it in two and a bit years when i finish year 12. Good Luck! tell me if you make it = )
M4ROWNER 2 years ago
hell haha, toughest thing you'll face in your life more than likely
blakeblake321 2 years ago
haha yeah ive been hearing that.. im only doin the half recruit course that only goes for 4weeks soo hopefully it foes fast.
bigshaneoner 2 years ago
how are you only doing a 4 week recruit course!? is that a new gap year thing or something?
LukeAussie90 2 years ago
@LukeAussie90 choco, in reserves i think is only a few weeks, GAP is for 1 year.
benna696 1 year ago
You'll find out soon enough mate and hopefully your not a fuck up like half the retards their letting in now...!!!
slugga1278 2 years ago
Does being a clearance diver mean you get the ladies??
MrRandom61 2 years ago 2
Quote from an ex OIC CDT4:
"In the US, individual sections tend to focus on special roles whereas we are pretty much Jack of all trades - and masters of a few of them. We are able to perform at a level in many different tasks and roles that would require five or six or even seven American units to fulfil.
CDs are often described as 'special forces' in the military sense or mistaken for Navy SEALS.
We are neither. We are Royal Australian Navy 'Clearance Divers'."
sharpz123 2 years ago
For those of you who are interested the best description about what a CD can or could do can be found at the Wikipedia page for "Frogmen" youtube wont let me enter the URL. gl!
sharpz123 2 years ago
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slugga1278 2 years ago
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS DICKHEAD- SHARPZ123...!!!
Dont make comment on shit you know fuck all about dipshit!!!
If anyone wants to find a good description on what we do then use your fucking brains and check out the defence web sites as everything can be found in these pages..!
And sharpz123, dont bother applying for Diving Officer or Clearance Diver cause from the sound of things you know fuckall and would just be an embarrassment to the branch..!!!
Become a BOATSWAINS MATE you DUMBFUCK!
slugga1278 2 years ago
Is commenting working?
Was looking into becoming a Navy Officer myself, grandad and great grandad were both officers in the RAN. Clearance Dive Officer looks the way to go! Not sure if the RAN's staff shortfall would include this unit tho...
sharpz123 2 years ago
Yeah ok mate...!! Diving officers do fuck all in terms of diving but if you enjoy being stuck behind a desk and having the piss taking out of you by the AB's and alike then go right ahead...There are only a few good diving officers and the rest are shit fights but go ahead im sure you'll fit right in....
slugga1278 2 years ago
HDND........ Yeah baby !
diver05 3 years ago
HDND - now that's a rather particular old turn of phrase that not too many would be familiar with :)
Prvnipes 3 years ago 4
Have you copped a bit of HDND yourself babe?
diver05 3 years ago
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Prvnipes 3 years ago 8
Жаль, но я не говорю на чешском языке, и Вы вероятно не говорите на болгарском языке. Таким образом я пишу этому на русском языке, надеясь, что Вы говорите на русском языке.
Как Вы знаете об австралийских Морских водолазах? Вы имеете друга, который был водолазом? :)
zdlx 3 years ago
zdlx,
мое знание русского языка не хорошо, и мое знание болгарского языка - то же самое. но я понимаю то, что Вы говорите.
Да, я знаю австралийского военного водолаза :)
Prvnipes 3 years ago
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TCFan25 3 years ago
Now they have to wear the gay arse shit two piece grey auscam DPCUs. What an insult to the egos.
TCFan25 3 years ago
i dont mind it ayy looks better than all grey i reckon
blakeblake321 3 years ago
As a diver it would be shit, because normally they wear auscam, and now they've got to wear blue auscam with reflective strips and rate badges and crap...... Divers should be excluded from having to wear them, besides I prefer the one piece as you can never misplace it unlike two!
TCFan25 3 years ago
You never have put on a pair of the gray overalls havent you they are so FUCKING HOTTT I feel sorry for the poor MT's who have to wear them FUCK THE GRAY OVERALLS HOT N HEAVEY!!!!!!
NAVY76 2 years ago
Umm yes I certainly fucken have worn them.... And yes I have a good understanding what the stokers have to endure,especially wearing them together with fearnought firefighting suit, OCCABA, helmet etc when doing fire exercises in the MMR spaces... (Ex RAN 2004-2008)
TCFan25 2 years ago
yeah its fucken hot... but the DPNU's arent much better
LukeAussie90 2 years ago
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Ask a CD to fill in the blanks without googling it. this simple test will show you what they know about 'Special Operations'
QUESTION: The following are McRaven's Principles with regard to the theory of Specil Operations.
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cdsem 3 years ago
Do you really hope to be taken seriously, after posting this mindless drivel?
Prvnipes 3 years ago 3
i wuld love to see you say that to a Clearance Divers face your probley some1 who didnt make seadat try outs for the CD.
NAVY76 3 years ago
@cdsem
Surprise
Speed
Repetition
Security
Simplicity
Purpose... am i right? and no i did not use google!
enzo12ify1 1 year ago
@cdsem learn to spell before asking others to take a mini-test you prat :L
TheDrummerboi94 11 months ago
@cdsem its funny cause special wrong u dumb fuck you spelt it specil
usnavysealsguy 4 months ago
I always wonder... Are they carryng their combat boots to walk when they get out of the ocean??? Sorry I just did apnea and I can"t imagine how they change their fins for their boots so fast.
Dudongo86 3 years ago
In responce to your question, no. Personally, I have not seen the SASR using their skills. However, I do have a friend who is ex SASR who was assigned to do free fall. Even in that role, part of his basic training was underwater demolitions and diving to around 10m, including submerged submarine insertions. If that is what a free fall qualified operator does, imagine what it is for someone actually assigned to specialise in underwater work.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Yes, they all, after some time, cross train in one other, and in most situations, two extra, methods of insertion. For once you've got something right :)
zdlx 3 years ago
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I did a bit of research, and CDs can transfer to TAG(E). However, in order to they must meet the same requirements as 4RAR (much higher than CD minimum requirements). In TAG(E), CDs mainly provide support for water based operations, however may also be employed as 'maritime snipers' and assaulter's.
Having said that, the only Australian SF unit the standard CD matches up to is the Air Defence Guards, being as they have their skills + water skills. TAG(E) CDs are a different story.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Based upon your alleged 'research' and comparative analogies, I'd suggest you go home and revise your notes.
The last part of your blurb about the comparison between CDs & Air Defense Guards is so wide of the mark as to be less than laughable.
zdlx 3 years ago 5
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I don't see what was so off. Air Defence Guards are essentially light infantry confined to airfields. RAN CDs have the basic infantry skills, though are specialised in water and demolition ops + some CT. Next up is the Army Reserve Commandos which have their own water and demolition experts, though are more diverse. 4RAR is similar, only better trained + CT. Finally, the SASR is on top with the most training in all fields for it's specialists (with everyone specialising in several skills).
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Part I
You 'don't see what was so off'. Exactly... you've made my point for me; you just don't get it, do you?
Is your entire argument premised upon the basis of one's infantry skills? Further, you, like the majority who frequent this site, seem to think that you can just reduce the variables down to a simplistic imperative, and compare & contrast outfits & units that simply can't be equated. They all specialise in different fields of expertise, albiet with some overlap in certain areas.
zdlx 3 years ago 4
My entire argument is not based on infantry skills. I was just mentioning them because that is all Air Defence Guards have, whereas every single other SF unit has basic infantry skills + additional skills. Every single unit can be compared on the skills they have in common.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Yes, there are some over-arching that units share in common, However, the other variables are too many and complex, so as to render any effective comparison moot. The whole exercise of trying to compare microwaves with dishwashers is as useless as it is pointless.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
Part II
You also seem to think, and somewhat erroneously, that there's a 'pecking order' in terms of who's the most elite & so on. You go as far as to say that SASR are at the apex, with the 'most training fields for its spedcialists'. Are you suggesting that their divers eclipse the standard and expertise of the CDs? They use their swimming skills as a method of insertion, nothing else! Their training in the water pales into insignificance when compared to a Clearance Diver's.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
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I didn't suggest that SASR diving specialists eclipse the CDs, I practically said it out right. They have specialists who can dive to the same depths, yet specialise in several skills, and basic SASR demolition skills far exceed that of the CDs. You honestly think the SASR only uses it's water skills as a method of insertion? Then why do they do underwater demolitions? Why do they do deep water diving when water insertions are from relatively shallow depths? Think.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
They have specialists who can dive to the same depths? Are you having a laugh? Just where do you source your information?
The basic demolitions skills of an SASR trooper surpass that of a CD? Again, mate, what in Christ's name are you on about? I've seen first hand what their 'basic demolition skills entail Have you? Please tell me, have you? Underwater demolitions are the CDs bread & butter. It's not a primary tasking within the SASR.
zdlx 3 years ago 4
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Well, lets look at this in a different way. Does a CD know exactly what explosive to use in what quantity to blow a hole in a door so that there is no excess blast (even NZSAS can't do that). The SASR is not purely a recon force. They do everything, from sabotage, to neutralisation of specific personnel, to long range recon, to close target recon (eg. recceing a beach), counter terrorism, personal protection etc. etc. the basic demolition skills of an SASR trooper are easily on par with CDs.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
No I don't 'think' I know what the SASR achieve with their water skills; rather, I KNOW.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
Part III
How do I know this? Because I served on line in the CT capacity in the '80s, when the boat troop of the sabre squadron on line was divided amongst Regiment swimmers & CDs. They're fantastic operators, they're second to none in terms of long-range-reconnaisance - there's nobody better. But they don't cut the mustard when it comes to keeping up with clandestine beach recces, ship attack or any other 'frogman' type of operation.
CDs are Australia's premier water operators, simple.
zdlx 3 years ago 4
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They are a RECONNAISSANCE based force. You honestly expect me to believe that CDs are superior to them in ANY recon operation? Their primary role in exactly that, and they receive the longest and best training in that field.
Not as good at ship assaults? You do realise that you are talking about a group that rotates all of it's members through TAG(W) right? They are just as good at ship assaults as TAG(E), if not better (a civilian can basically join TAG(E) for crying out loud...).
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Smallfryzie, please read my posts carefully. I stated in an earlier post that SASR's reconniasance skills are second to none... i'e., they're the best at it. That's long-range, deep penetrative reconnaisance behind enemy lines.
Clandestine beach recces are another thing entirely - completely different set of skills, different environment etc.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
I did read your posts carefully, as I am reading this one. I don't think you really understand the skills of the SASR. You are aware that some CDs do go on to the SASR right (rarely)? It is designed to be capable of doing everything every other SF unit is capable of. Upon joining the regiment, a trooper or officer is assigned to either do free fall work or deep water work. In amongst those you have demolition specialists, snipers, signallers, all which are trained to the top of their fields
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Don't tell me that I don't understand the skills of the SASR, Little boy! I mentioned to you that I served as a CD in the '80s, which included a stint 'on line... that's on line CT. In addition to the CD course, I attended the Regiment Cadre course, followed by CQB. I say again, DO NOT attempt to suggest that I don't understand what I'm saying here. Your misguided, confused and altogether inaccurate rambling is becoming rather boring.
zdlx 3 years ago 5
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Don't brag about attending SASR selection for two reasons. Firstly, you clearly failed. Secondly, my friend who I mentioned earlier has worked as an assessor in the course on more than one occasion (because he passed and he was very good at what he did). I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about when he told me that the SASR has deep diving specialists. In the regiment, your either that or a free fall parachute specialist, and even in free fall you do underwater work to around 10m.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Sorry mate. You wanna' run that one by me again? Boasting about the cadre course... failing?
Back before Tag East/West, CT operations were conducted solely by SASR in the west, with CDs making up the numbers in the boat troop from the on-line sabre squadron.
All CDs, prior to attending the assaulter's or sniper's course, fast driving etc., were required to attend and pass the cadre course as a prerequisite.
If your'alleged' mate is so informed, ask him about this.
zdlx 3 years ago 7
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I am well aware that before East and West, the SASR ran the only TAG. My friend rotated through there a couple of times. Tell me, did the CDs actually get used on a real mission in the original TAG, or were they there just for training?
There was a period where it was trialled so that all special forces used the SASR selection course, but that cut the number of successful applicant to the lesser units that it was abolished. Is that what you are talking about?
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
The CDs functioned as fully intregrative members of the on-line boat troop, whether as assaulters, snipers or MOEs (Method Of Entry). The CDs that rotated back on-line for a second 'tour' were usually made team leaders. In other words, there was no distinction made between CD or Trooper.
(I know this may sound like semantic nit-picking, but they were referred to as 'options' rather than 'missions'. :)
zdlx 3 years ago 5
To answer the question regarding selection, I know what you mean by the collapsing' of SF selection into the one package; that initiative came about with the advent of commandoes being raised as a fulltime force. That occurred after my time.
No, we had to satisfy the Regiment by successfully comleting the old cadre selection course, which was held at Northam, but included phases at Bindoon army training area as well as the Stirling Ranges.
zdlx 3 years ago
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You still didn't answer the question. Did any clearance divers actually get deployed on a real mission/option with the TAG, or were they just there making up numbers?
If the CDs attempted the course, the pass rate would have been extremely low. The majority would have certainly been made up of actual SASR troopers. I guess that they would have been accpted into the TAG after meeting SASR requirements. Still, that doesn't prove they are better at water based missions.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
1. Yes. I thought the point was rather explicit. Everyone in the boat troop is an integral member of the whole operation.
2. NO... The CDs enjoyed an extremely high pass rate. Seven CDs started my course, six were successful. the one who didn't finish was withdrawn medically due to achilles tondonitis. The courses prior to and subsequent to mine yielded similar results.
zdlx 3 years ago 6
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1. You still didn't answer my question. Looks like you read it wrong. Have CDs been deployed with the TAG on a REAL mission? I'm talking about assaulting a target that contains real people with real hostages and real weapons.
2. How many people were on the course and how many passed in total, including the CDs?
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
There were no 'real' options; they were all training.
Once again, seven started the cadre, one dropped out due to achilles tendonitis. One failed CQB.
End of, OK?
Prvnipes 3 years ago
I could have sworn I was talking to someone else...
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
if you wondering how many CD's are in tag right now about 30 i wanted to find out as well so i rang up the DOD i was doing a research project
blakeblake321 3 years ago
That would be TAG(E). There would be no CDs in TAG(W) (seeing as it is purely SASR).
Everyone was involved in the boarding of that ship; SASR, 4RAR and CDs because it was a joint operation between TAG(W) and TAG(E).
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
So what you are trying to say it that you have bigger kahounies than somebody else. Good for you! :-) Personally, I am just glad that we have all of you. Navy, Army, Airforce, Regiment etc. Thanks guys, you don't need to be toughter than each other, you guys are all tougher than most already.
Regards, Rick (EX RAN from a long tome ago.)
seabrooke22 3 years ago
Yes CD's helped with the boarding when the heroin ship i think
blakeblake321 3 years ago
I wish these fucking boxes allowed for a higher word count!
The aim of CDs doing the cadre course was purely to satisfy the Regiment that they were getting the sort of personnel they needed. It didn't mean the CDs were in any way members of the Regiment! There was no requirement to attend the patrol course or anything like that, either. After CQB & fast driving etc., It was straight on-line, and then back to one of the diving teams after the 12 month period. Hope that clears up any confusion.
zdlx 3 years ago
No, no, no. And once again, no. They DO NOT engage in deep water work. (Stop pretending that you don't know what you're talking about.)
It sounds as though you're attempting to endow me with your expansive wealth of knowledge on what happens within the confines of two highly specialised outfits, despite never having been exposed to either. This I find kond of amusing, if not insulting.
zdlx 3 years ago 6
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The SASR is not highly specialised. In fact, it probably just about has the most capabilities of any other SF unit of it's type in the world. People in the regiment specialise in several skills, not just one. For example, in addition to my friend being a free fall specialist, he was also a sniper and a hand-to-hand combat specialist, and that is just half the fields in which he specialised that I know of. You may have worked with the SASR, but clearly not with their diving specialists.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
"[I] may have worked with the SASR, but clearly not with their diving specialists."
Care to expand on this? Who the fuck else are CDs going to combine with? The bloody HALO jumpers?
Think a little before posting.
zdlx 3 years ago 5
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"Who the fuck else are CDs going to combine with? The bloody HALO jumpers?" Free fall specialists do not only do HALO jumps. In answer to your question, quite possibly yes. Even those who are not diving specialists are trained in underwater work as part of their basic skills, including demolitions and submarine insertions. Because they do not specialise in this field, they may, on occasion, work with Navy personnel who do.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
The 'HALO' comment was purely rhetorical; in other words, of course the work environment entailed that of their swimmers :)
zdlx 3 years ago 7
I didn't say 'ship assaults'. Rather, I bore reference to 'ship attack', which is a specifically used turn-of-phrase within the military with reference to underwater frogman attacks against shippiing by way of attaching limpet mines or other similar devices.
It's often considered a mistake to take someone to task on an issue when you've scant knowledge on the subject matter.
zdlx 3 years ago
Ah, now I understand what you mean by 'ship attack'. Lets have a look at where the SASR came from. There was input from several existing SF units around the world into the creation of the SASR, in particular the 'Z Forces'. They got in trouble at one stage for sneaking into a harbour and planting fake explosives on a ship as part of a training exercise. To this day, almost every unit called SAS practices this kind of activity.
Smallfryzie 3 years ago
Yes, you're right here too.
zdlx 3 years ago
thanks and one last question would you consider clearance divers to be the equivalent of Navy Seals?
dowdo16 3 years ago
First point
OK... you've been subjected to a torrent of bullshit on this site by a variety of armchair experts claiming this & that about CDs.
I want you to know one thing: the only people that enjoy privileged access to the goings on of Clearance Divers and their capabilities/roles & tasks are Clearance Divers themselves. To this end, I suggest that you exercise some caution as to what you read here. (That includes what I say!)
zdlx 3 years ago 4
To answer your last question: CDs and SEALs engage in a variety of different operational taskings. Some of these overlap, allowing for operational cross-training between the two groups. But essentially, they are very different. CDs are more your classic 'frogmen' in the true sense of the word, whilst SEALs spend more time involved in what's known as 'back-of-beach operations'. In other words, CDs spend more time under the water. A better analogy would be between the former US UDTs and CDs.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
So having said this, the answer is no... CDs are not the equivalent of SEALs, and by logical extension, SEALs are not the equivalent of CDs. Each have extremely high levels of specialisation.
However, in terms of professionalism & commitment, both are on par with each other. During my time as a CD, I engaged in a number of beach recces and other exercises with SEALs, and the mutual respect for each other was unprecedented. In fact, I'm still in contact with two of them from the early 1990s.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
thanks zdlx, and is the job all it is cracked up to be, or not, or should i just become a boatswains mate- much easier, as i heard they also do diving. And what is the differnece between working on a team and on a ship? what differnt roles. Thanks
dowdo16 3 years ago
I'll need to answer your questions segmentally, as the limited word-count is insufficient for detail.
To address your first point - is it 'all it is cracked up to be', well, I don't know what your expectations are, so it's difficult to assess this.
It most certainly is a difficult and arduous selection process, and the operational tasking within the teams can indeed prove test the mettle of the best of 'em.
Conversely, there are periods of complete ennui.
zdlx 3 years ago 3
Part II
Bosun's Mate or CD? I was a Weapons Mechanic, then a Quarter Master Gunner prior to CD (the former two ratings pretty much equate to that of Bosun's Mate). Personally, there's no comparison - my career as a CD wins hands down! The rewards far exceed that of anything that Bosun's Mate is likely to offer.
zdlx 3 years ago 2
Part III
Yes, you can dive as a BM; everyone in the Navy is entitled to train as a ship's diver. This is in effect the first 3 weeks of a CD course (at least it was when I was serving). Obviously it's not entirely easy, but at the same time, nowhere near as competetive as the CD course proper.
Remember though, that as a ship's diver, you're still primarily a BM, and there may be quite a few drinks in between dives. (Don't expect to get your head wet on a routine basis!)
zdlx 3 years ago 2
Clearance Diver all the way buddy 1 more year than im off
blakeblake321 3 years ago
Once you finish the clearance diving training, are you automatically posted to a Clearance Diving Team, or do you first serve on naval ships and shore establishments. I was just curious as i am interested in becoming one, i know all about the training and what they do, I'm just not 100% sure what happens after the training is finished. Help would be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot
dowdo16 3 years ago
If you're 'selected' upon completion of the CD course, then it's highly unlikely that you wouldn't be posted to one of the operational teams.
A very small number of clearance divers serve part of their careers at sea, but this is hardly representative of a diver's naval career.
I was a CD from 1986-1996 and served for ten months on the HMAS Darwin and 3 months on the Stuart. The rest of my time was spent between Teams one and two, along with a 12 month stint at Campbell Barracks.
zdlx 3 years ago 4
Hey zdlx, you weren't on Stuart during the trip up top in early '89, were you?
mongrellius 3 years ago
Late '89... Stuart returned to Garden Island in early '90. We spent Christmas & the new year in Hong Kong. Were you still onboard for that deployment?
zdlx 3 years ago
Heh, I certainly was, an ABRP. That was the trip with Torrens. I still remember Christmas day - the Yanks looking over at us from their dry ship(I forget the name now) in envy as we all had a feast and got pissed on 1 deck aft.
mongrellius 3 years ago
Yeah... I do remember there being a US ship alongside over Christmas. It was a supply ship or something.
One of my most enduring memories of that trip was of a certain bridge watch-keeping officer, whose hand-over policy for the oncoming officer-of-the-watch included hunting for these plastic dinosaurs that he'd hidden around the bridge. But then, if you were an RP, it's not likely that you would have been partial to this charade, being locked away in the darkened confines of the ops room.
zdlx 3 years ago
i don't know why the f**k everybody refers to american commandos like their shit don't stink. america wouldn't have commando or and special forces at all if it wasn't for the british commando the american decided they needed a commando unit and who did they turn to the brits even now they still turn to the brits even the australians.
coledale1 3 years ago
also if the wanted to recon a beach in enemey terri they wouldnt send cdo or SAS CD's are trained for that ive read in many threads on sites CD's training the only training supasses is the SAS
blakeblake321 3 years ago
and there training is set to be SEALs training and hell week search alot buddy also CD's are allowed to go into TAG East if the cut the butter for it
blakeblake321 3 years ago
They are no special forces. They are not a part of SOCOMD. The specialize in mine warfare, hydrographic survey, underwater repair and recovery. They are nothing like SEALs. They do no have the same selection, training or mission sets as SEALs. They are not an offensive force by any stretch. Google them or check the Navy website and do a search. If people want to run around on the land shooting people then join the army and then army SF-not the navy.
cdsem 3 years ago
fucking hell you don't know shit about them man. I was speaking to a SEAL on a forum and he even said the cross train alot and they do most the shit they do but CD's dont go into raiding building in deep inland etc CD's have maritime tactical operations where they recon the beach clear all seamines clear any enemies on the beach you have no idea what they do
blakeblake321 3 years ago
CD's can be Special forces when the get the chance to try out for TAG they come under Socomd and if you want me to show you something with that just ask
blakeblake321 3 years ago
Oi blakeblake321 SHUT THE FUCK UP..!!
You know FUCK ALL you little PISS ANT other than what you've read or seen on TV. Dont bother making comment on shit you know nothing about unless your there or you've been there and clearly you're neither...!!!
And dont bother joining our branch (cd's) cause you sound like a fucking tool and we dont need shit cunts like you...!!!
By the way... Sweet comments deadwood223..
slugga1278 2 years ago
LMAO, there is no fucking way your a CD your a twat who loves to TRY to start fights over the net, you one tough son of a bitch swearing over the internet dam your cool, get a life, and man don't call people tools lol, your the biggest tool on the net, you don't know crap all about anything, your most probably some toilet cleaner in the Navy, aww actaully i nah you worth shit
blakeblake321 2 years ago
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slugga1278 2 years ago
Well Actually i looked back at the comments and yea i see where your coming from, but you didnt need to act all king shit, and most of what i said is true, some off it is shit
blakeblake321 2 years ago
Slugga if you are who you say you are you should have a lot more bloody sense than to embarrass your service over the net with excessive abuse and bogan rhetoric.
For your information, I have no plans on joining the CDT or the Navy, as I am already in the Australian Army, which by the way, sees far more action than the chocco's in the Navy ever will.
I was merely ponitificating what it would be like to be a CD officer and if it means dealing with undiciplined shitheads like you count me out!
sharpz123 2 years ago
respect to the senior service please
LukeAussie90 2 years ago
fuckin bubble heads
nva2low 3 years ago
It's disappointing to notice they don't do combat parachuting as part of their basic training anymore. Years ago you were awarded the Gold parachute wings after doing your qualification jump, but now it seems all old hat. Shame really!
Revenant83 3 years ago
they do parachuting later on in training.
CD's basically do everything SEALs do.
CD's training is really classified you don't hear much about it from my point of veiw it's about nearly the same to the SAS training 24 try out 14 only get in. On the 28th of October,ABC1 20:00 :) (8:00pm) and show is on them doing training it's a first ever seen there like SEALs nobody know what they train only the basic stuff
blakeblake321 3 years ago
I also have heard that there is a 12 month waiting list for CD wannabes, is that correct? Why the allure if they are not really SF? Personally I reckon alot of these wannabes have been watching NAVY SEALS too many times but if there is a different explaination please provide!
fanofrhymeswithstar 3 years ago
yehh its somethin like that, but theres a 70% failure/drop out rate.
NEStastic 3 years ago
Rather be around and on the ocean, mate..Cant live with out it.. Plus the allowances and your pay levels are much greater...
edeo23 3 years ago
it's nearly compared to SAS training
blakeblake321 3 years ago
So the CD's are NOT SF? I can understand the argument presented by a few of you here explaining why the divers are not special forces. Seems to me the ADF thinks it already has enough SF capability with SASR and Cdo units.
But is it true that SASR and Cdo get alot of taskings to the point that that they're getting stretched to the limit?
If so then why not have the CDs get that kind of capability and missions?
fanofrhymeswithstar 3 years ago
instead of going on youtube talking about the military why dont u just fuckin join you oxygen theif.
Malisedave 3 years ago
No thanks...I prefer to earn an honest living!:P I can go home everyday knowing that I did work and that I did earn my pay!
Australia hasn't been attacked since World War 2, and has never been invaded since 1788. Australia has no natural enemies and is not in danger of invasion, so why join up? And don't say anything along the lines of "Muslim Terrorists want to blow up our cities and rape our women"!
So...aspiring to become a CD eh? Lucky for you spelling is not a requirement to join!:D
fanofrhymeswithstar 3 years ago
Australia hasnt been invaded! "thanks for doing such a great job at protecting my freedom australian defence force"
and no i preffer my real career fixing choppers. which i might add will pay more than your job ever will and ill never work as hard. Lucky for you no one gets paid for good spelling!
Malisedave 3 years ago
OMG i would fucvking slatter you good luck when i go in the navy and being saved you do realise that there are russian terriorists with a possiblility of nuclear bombs.
U cunt theeres always a chance of something happening you really expect a country to not defend itself of course we would be invaded if we didnt have an army look what happened to aboriginies and indians u reatreded fuck.
Everyday theres a chance of dieing hopefully yours is today.
jonobubbles92 3 years ago
think about it think wat wuld happen if every1 thinks like you do think wat will be happening to Australian STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT.
NAVY76 3 years ago
They do bud they do alot of classified shit that you don't hear about you hear more about 4RAR thenCD's 4RAR and SAS think there special forces there training is fucked and only about 26 people are allowed to try out and only around 12-14 make it it's everybit like SEALs
blakeblake321 3 years ago
Glad to see the bubblies are getting a bit of limelight for a change... Yeah the SASR and Cdo's are at the top of the spear in AUS Spec Ops, but we do an equally hazardous and just as thankless task regardless!!!
Outside Special Forces, the RAN CDT is the toughest unit to get into, and with very good reason. Some of you tubers think alot if its for show, but in reality there's more to than meets the eye...
ex LSCD (1992-2002)
Revenant83 3 years ago