It's A Sin - Pet Shop Boys - Version 2

[neukrapsio]

jajaj ALEJANDRO jajajaja

[MsLunnica]

Choreography is really good, but i think first oficcial vid is better. I don't understand what's this one about! And I'm sorry but where do you see lesbians?

[PandaRojo100]

Alejandro Ale Ale Ale Alejandro

[tube4625]

there is no sin if the chicks keep their undies on;lol

[cutcopyboy]

"GO BOYS DO IT DO IT"

Kung Fu Junkie - Go Boyz

[umbdude]

Pet Shop Boys is awesome

[timothy0729]

I could do without the red and green rectangles ... it is very distracting ...

[redkuruc]

Kurva nagy még mindig!!!!!

[bumblebeebattv]

This video version scared the mess out of me!! Sorry, didn't like it... What were the Pet Shop Boys trying to say anyway?

[cindyao]

STILL THE BEST!!!

[gayfriendspain]

So gay! Very nice :)) 

[carb8686s]

movie BRONSON IS SO F...ING COOL!!!!!

[justjack78]

well, it's later that day, and i have aged, got a really cool car. but i still blast this song as i'm driving. now, instead of a cassette, it's on my digital sound system. this song is ageless. happy thanksgiving everybody!

[guyfronts]

OMG I wears same the same JOCKEY Y FRONTS as they dus except mine are a bit larger .. AWESUM VID buddy x

[Captain2Pig]

great synth sounds; anybody know what the arpegio was done on? like the bass sound also..

[ckgan19]

good song

[FROJDSK]

IS IT A SIN TO LOVE SOMEBODY?!

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@FROJDSK it depends on the way you love him/her.

[helloweenarctico]

AlejandroooOOooo

[DonnerDaumen]

@helloweenarctico

haha... so true!

[george6900]

I had a crush on Mother Superior... to bad Father Joe had a crush on me....

[FATGAINER100]

lillybellebutterfly is as thick as they come

[lillybellebutterfly1]

But with all these genes influences don't anull our free will. We ARE responsible for our lives, including for homosexual relations, which are sinful, with NO EXEPTION, and can very negatively influence the genes of biological children. This is the CHRISTIAN view for homosexuality and homosexual relations. clubremix, I don't know if you are a christian or not, but what I've told you it's the historical and traditional christian Church's view.

[jothakape]

@lillybellebutterfly1

God created nature as polymorphously perverse.

Norms and morals are man-made

Nature knows no sin, but greedy humans invented the idea of good and evil to justify their power.

God is beyond good and evil.

The only sin against God you can commit is not to follow your natural desires.

[TroyBilt007]

@lillybellebutterfly1 So your view is the CHRISTIAN view. Well big deal. Not everyone chooses to believe/hold the christian view. You have your opinion and you have the right to it. But that doesn't mean your view is correct but you do have the right to hold that view. Now guess what? Others have the right to have opposing views. It's called freedom....deal with it.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@TroyBilt007 I have nothing against freedom of expression. Please don't put words in my mouth which were not said by me.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Christians must not suggest homosexuals should not have sex with who they are attracted to as to do so would mean they would have to live a lie. The major psychological, scientific and psychiatric bodies recognise homosexuality as something which cannot be changed, and there is not a shred of evidence that sin can effect the genes of children. Furthermore, you have no right to claim your views are the 'Christian' view because there is no single 'right' interpretation.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 According to the Bible, there is no exception for considering homosexual acts sinnful. Search for answers to gay theology and you will find explanations. So, if Christians tell homosexuals that is right not to fight against temptation, that means hipocrisy and blasphemy, because they contradict the Bible, which clearly states that homosexual acts are sins. And there ARE such paragraphs in the Bible, even if gay activists don't like it.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Why would I rely on a book that is not the word of qualified psychological, scientific and psychiatric bodies who recognise homosexuality as something that cannot be changed. Why would I rely on a book that does not conform to the evidence based concensus that forcing an individual to ignore their sexuality is extremley abusive and traumatic. Furthermore, the Bible is open to interpretation, and historical analysis which inhibit the so called 'clearly stated' paragraphs.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 It depends which theory you prefer to believe in. There is biological-genetical theory and developemental theory. In my opinion, I think truth is somewhere in the middle.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Its not a question of 'belief' but what theory credible, peer reviewed research and evidence supports.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Developemental theory may also be credible, but there is strong pressure so that it would not be discussed in media and in schools. That's what I think. And the reasons behind this may be malthusianism, lowering birth rate through social engineering. That's my humble opinion.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 The truth may be somewhere in the middle, between genetics and developemental theory. Time and future researches will tell which factor has more influence than the other.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 This is a fairly neutral statement. It is heartening that you are can say something sensible in amongst your more irrational statements about people choosing their sexuality, that they can change, and that they should repress their sexuality. Fundmentally, the fact is that most of these psychological bodies and scientific evidence support the claim that sexuality cannot be changed, and that attempting to change it has an abusive, damaging effect on ones mental health.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Don't get me wrong, please. I am not against science, but I also don't think there is no conflict between science and religion, as many may think. Religion speaks about creator, science about the creation. But some conclusions can/may be misinterpreted, according to pollitical pressures.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 I am very sorry if you feel offended by my words, but this is the cruel truth. And if a Christian contradicts it, he/she can be considered atheist, agnostic, free thinker, New Age follower etc., because that means he/she doesn't believe the Bible is God's word or God does mistakes, like us humans do.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Who are you to say that a Christian who contradicts your words is an agnostic, free thinker etc. I hope you have at least the capacity of free thought, and are not just spouting what has been beaten into you, but, frankly, you rely only on faith to reassure you that you are right in your interpretation of the bible. The fact is that your interpretation is no more right than anothers interpretation, and you have no more right than they do assess who is or isn't a christian.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Lies can't be mixed with truth. Gay can be either right or wrong. And the Bible leaves no doubt here: IT'S WRONG, GENETICAL INFLUENCED OR NOT.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 A certain behaviour can't be both right and wrong. This is illogical. It's either right or wrong. And the tradition of Church says gay is wrong. So, you have 2 options: you accept or you reject Church's teachings for a combination of neo pagan concepts with Christian flavour. The choice is YOURS.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 And this applies to all sins, not only to sexual sins.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 There is not a single shred of evidence supported by the vast majority of scientists or evidence that suggests that "a parents sins affect the health and even temper of their children and even evidece that homosexual attractions can be overcome". Most credible evidence suggests the contrary, stating that genes are not effected by the behaivior or sin of a parent and that homosexuality, in close to 100% and effectivley all cases cannot be 'overcome'.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 That is a debatable issue.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 There is not a single shred of evidence supported by the vast majority of scientists or evidence that suggests that "a parents sins affect the health and even temper of their children and even evidece that homosexual attractions can be overcome". Most credible evidence suggests the contrary, stating that genes are not effected by the behaivior or sin of a parent and that homosexuality, in close to 100% and effectivley all cases cannot be 'overcome

THAT'S A DEBATABLE ISSUE. NOTA DOGM

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 How is it debatable issue when there is not a single shred of scientific evidence to support your argument?

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 It may depend on who controls the information for public. And if those scientists who research sexology are themselves gay or militant atheists/satanists, it's perfectly understandable why they want to equalize opposition against homosexual relationships with racism, which is a term everyone is scared to death to be associated with.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 It is extremley unlikley and worthy of conspiracy fiction to assert that scientists are lying on purpose because they are gay, millitant atheists or satanists. Not all scientists are gay, millitant atheists. To prevent bias and misconduct, and more importnatly, substansiate their work, Scientists publish evidence and peer reviewed articles that are scrutinised. You provide no evidence to suggest that scientists are biased, and good factual evidence does not lie.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 it's a good thing to be optimistic, but conspiracy fiction may be more than plain fiction. Conspiracy theory, that is, may be more than theory. Just my opinion.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 I'm not a specialist in genetics to give you strong arguments for what I've told you, but I personally think science and Church may not exclude each other and Christian teachings may not be mere superstitions and folklore.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 The church excludes science when it claims that the world was created in seven days, that Jesus came back from the dead, that Noah built a ship and took a pair of each animal on a journey, that god intervense in the lives of humans, and that, frankly a god can exist at all. It produces no evidence. Science and the church are quite seperate, and there is a need for Christians to at least relent on the fundementalist belief in a literal interpretation of scripture.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 As for denominations which split from the historical mother church, of course they may have different interpretations for various moral and dogmatic issues, but that only means their believers fell into heresy and not the Church has multiple"right" interpretations on sexual and moral issues.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 You haven't walked into many Catholic churches have you. The ornate naturalist art, a grotesque yet beautiful mannifestation of corruption and self interest by a church that was rejected by the massess because it covered up events, modified docterine, and controlled peoples lives for its own benifit. The Catholic church has been the temple of greed and every proceeding self indulgent sin. Even if its followers are genuine today, how can they claim to be the 'right' church?

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 I have entered Catholic churches, even in Vatican. I know what you are talking about, but I am NOT reffering to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the Orthodox Church, from which Rome split in 1054, by introducing a series of dogmatical innovations. These inovations led the Western Christians into the harm you mentioned above. Orthodox Church and Roman Church are NOT one and the same. I am sorry I have deluded you.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 "The major psychological, scientific and psychiatric bodies recognise homosexuality as something which cannot be changed". You may be PARTIALLY right here, but that only means one thing: that wrong passions can be very strong, indeed, and the Christian's fight against them may endure for all his/her life. I recommend you the lives of saints who fought homosexual temptations but did NOT consider them rightfull by giving in. And thus they became saints.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 I am not partially right, these are what these qualified and reliable scientific bodies state. I appreciate your misguided attempt to help me with something I don't need help with, however, such feelings are not passions but are chemical and psychological processess that the individual has very little control over. Unfortunatley, for you and the beliefs of whatever church you represent, this is a fact established by the research of these organisations.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Scientific theories change over time. They are not absolute truths. Some theories are modified or even replaced by more accurate ones.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Plus, we modern people prefer not to believe in devils because of the multitudes of splits and denominations in Christian world, which make any moral issue opened to interpretation. And that's why trust in scientific facts seems more convenient for us.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 These things are scary and weird for us modern people, as fighting against legal temptations nowadays is a weird thing to do, but in old times it was not.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 In the old times, people were just as gay and enjoyed gay sex just as much, give or take the social impact of the execution of their contempories, as they do now.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 I think you are just partially right here, as social enviroment and laws have a lot of influence on the individual, no matter how much he/she enjoys gay sex.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 You are PARTIALLY right. Laws have a lot of influence on people's mentality, and if laws forbid a certain behaviour, there are very low chances that people would accept it.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Don't be so sure. You may be wrong.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 There is a HUGE difference between having homosexual attractions, which is NOT one's fault, and acting or having fantasies upon them, which is her/his fault, as the Church teaches. Abstinence is a scary concept for us modern people, indeed, as sexual pleasure has become very advertised as a supreme value in our culture.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 @lillybellebutterfly1 Abstinence is not scary it is abusive. Of course, if one feels more comfortable not engaging in sex than engaging in it, that is fine. But what is not acceptable is the abusive effect, which has been directly proven to lead to isolation of youth and the suidide of some, of the insistance that the only way they can be part of a religion or a church is to not live according to their perfectly normal and accetable sexual orientation they have within them.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 You may be only partially right. And every sexual relationship outside the Church blessed marriage between a man and a woman is wrong, traditional Christianly speaking, although some may also pretend that they are genetic built to be womanizers or bigamists or poligamists.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 You are right ONLY in some cases, not in all of them, that's my humble opinion.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 "Christians must not suggest homosexuals should not have sex with who they are attracted to as to do so would mean they would have to live a lie." No they would not live in a lie. They would refuse to act upon their desires, that's all. Of course abstinence is a scary thing for us modern people, as sexual pleasure is very advertised in our modern society as a life goal.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Going against, or 'refusing to act upon their desires', or what should correctly seen as their mentally developed sexual orientation, has been directly demonstrated to be harmful to the mental health, leads to isolation in youth and the suicide of some. The fact is, not acting upon the perfectly normal and scientifically explainable urges due to the influence of non- scientific lies is going against the natural course of human sexuality and is an abusive form of repression.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

As for the so called gay gene, there may be some genetical influences for homosexuality, as for any other sin, but that doesn't mean someone would not be able to choose NOT to engage in homosexual relations because of the "gay gene". And these possible genetic influences are the result of the parents or ancestors' sins, especially sexual sins, which influence the children's gene too. This means humankind is a whole, spiritually speaking, unlike animal world.

[GypsyRaeyven]

@lillybellebutterfly1 As long as an individual doesn't prevent someone else from living there life as they want to, then they should be allowed to live their life as they want. No matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe I have an idealistic view of life but I really believe that if people stopped worrying about what everyone else was doing and made their own life the best they possibly could, in any way they desired, we'd all have a much happier and peaceful time.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@GypsyRaeyven Don't be so defensive against me. I'm not the Middle Ages inquisitor, you know. But the song is about capital sins in Church's view, especially homosexuality, which is linked to lust,  and I expressed some of the old Church's teachings about it, that's all. Man, you sure can be easily hurt, that's for sure.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 "And these possible genetic influences are the result of the parents or ancestors' sins, especially sexual sins, which influence the children's gene too." Genes are not effected by the way people mate, not the way people act. You don't understand how genes work.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 I'm talking about children's genes, not parents'. And yes, children's temper takes after parents'.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 People don't mate, they make love. That's an offensive darwinistic word, that suggest we are just animals, which IS a lie.

[thatcher88]

@lillybellebutterfly1 Can you produce a single shred of scientific evidence that suggests that we are not animals? The human species are mammals, and we are part of the genus 'Homo' which is a member of the 'great apes' family.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 Biologically we are mammals, but I am talking from the spiritual point of view, not evolutionary one.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@thatcher88 And spiritually speaking, even sufferings have their purpose. That's why abortions and euthanasia are murders, not mercy deeds.

[lillybellebutterfly1]

clubremix, having homosexual desires is one thing and having homosexual relations or being gay is a totally different thing. Homosexuals desires are temptations from the Devil so that we would give in and disobey God by preffering sin over virtue; homosexual desires are like any other sinful desires, but giving in or choosing abstinence makes the difference. And no, God doesn't damn anybody from the moment he/she is conceived. That's nonsense spread by heretics. We choose sin or virtue in life

[clubremix]

if being gay was a sin than why would "god" let it be.. you trying to tell me that from the day I was concieved that I would be damned for eternity? Makes no sense. I think what "god" would want is for you to learn to love no matter what race, sexuality one may be... it is YOU that has failed the lords love not a person that has no choice in thier sexuality.

[FATGAINER100]

@clubremix she's a thick bitch (but we obviously cant blame her for that because she was born that way) oh wait, apparently according to her she chose to be thick (so we can blame her lols)

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@FATGAINER100 That's the problem with living in a free and democratical society: you have to accept also people who don't agree with your lifestyle or way of thinking and not to consider them in all cases your enemies. Don't be so pissed off, get over it.

[panko68]

mozda je satanska pesma..ali svi smo mi gresoli..na nekima ..i gde smo bili i gde cemo biti.. Song is extra

[khalilscheidl]

this songs Its its its s sin

its its its a hell

[FamishAmerica]

What on earth are you going on abou, child.

[FROJDSK]

@khalilscheidl you don't understud this video, terribble for you!

[khalilscheidl]

It is a satan songs.

[finntroll01]

@khalilscheidl

and i will rather go to hell, than believe in a god, that tells you that you're a sinner because of the way you are born....

[lillybellebutterfly1]

@khalilscheidl You are too though. It's a song about repentance for sins and acknowledgement that we are under the power of our ancestors' Adam and Eve's sin. Therefore, humankind has disobedience in blood. Forbidden fruit is always more desirable than conventional and inocent pleasures.

[Tetka69]

Лучшие!!!

[ptygr]

Beautiful choreography!

[fhurvhur]

@ptygr Yeah, you just said it all.

[deeperwaterz]

Great song west end girls was the worst song on the CD there`s about 10 songs that are awesome though.

[liontrebol]

nice

[Mrjames433]

I grew up in the 80's and everything that was fun was a SIN.This is a powerful song for anyone that has that feeling inside them that will never go away and yes it will always be a...

[BerilacBulge]

Man oh man,would I like to help those girls with their sinning.

[lykkesmed]

@BerilacBulge Bad ... Boy?

[ravercabbie]

This Is great!!

[hannukolo]

this is more than real

its the eighties

[markpos1976]

<3 the film clip. A metaphor for everything. Had their Greatest Hits CD since I was 15 and am 33 now...and never saw the film clip. Loved the song but this film clips adds much more to it.

Love ya Boys of the Pet Shop! x

[bandex94ab]

freaking awesome song. brings me back to the 80's!!

[terribleenfant]

temazo, los PSB los mejores por siempre

que vuelvan a argentina!

[Adionse]

QUINTUSMAXIMUS creo que hablas rocas! lo que quiere decir puede ser interpretado de dos maneras: el pata no puede dejar de pecar aunque sabe que es pecado (como que le da pena) y la vez se burla sutilemnte cantando que todo lo que hace es un pecado

[anders3009]

speak english

[tinofilipino]

speak swahili

[jonlovecandy]

this a grate song and video

[anders3009]

great **

[Woraz96]

Bisschen gestört das video ô.o aber geiles lied ^^

[tribun100]

Auf sowas mußt Du erstmal kommen.

Ich finde die Frauen in Unterwäsche recht nett.

[lizjohnevers]

like tinofilipino " what !!!!!!!!!!!"

[darwleg]

It´s a sin if you don´t like this song!

[zizocd]

best of the best

[OneNJen77]

this song is awsome. thanks for posting, like totally...lol

[justjack78]

love this song. use to put the top down on my car and drive through the hollywood hills with this song blasting. also, as a gay recovering catholic. this video is HOT!!! peace to all in 2009!!!

[tinofilipino]

Gay recovering catholic?

[QUINTUSMAXIMUS]

A gay recovering Catholic means he feels free now that he doesn't believe in Catholicism. That's what he meant. Anyway, this song is about how religion was used to judge the singer, I guess?

[markpos1976]

I disagree, I'd say it was more about how the church perceives both genders who choose to love the same sex.

[CashForGash]

I think it's more about male homosexuality than female homosexuality.

[wnoise]

I don't think it's about homosexuality in particular, either way. Consider the other video, which clearly depicts sloth, greed, gluttony, etc.

[CashForGash]

hmm...could be about the general controlling nature of religion I suppose, never thought about this song in THAT light...hmm :)

[JimmelHappyFunTime]

@CashForGash Yeah, but... lesbians.

[neveralmostthere]

their sound reminds me of new order

[alphapook]

treamenda cancion una de las mejores de los 80

[pallortor]

ya it looks so gay, but thats ok and before you idiots say, "so what if its gay are you prejudice" I dont care that it is gay a single bit, I am just saying it looks gay, and last time I checked their was freedom of speech so..lol.

[Mellywelly29]

This is probably my favourite PSB song.Hands down!

[jaimett23]

alguien que comente en español ............

[deepbreakfast1960]

We are from all walks of life and I'm not sorry for being this way I'm just sorry for those who condone us! Peace to my brother's and sister's!

[CathPresbyter]

>>We are from all walks of life and I'm not >>sorry for being this way

I understand this part, but this part confuses me?

>>I'm just sorry for those who condone us!

To condone is to allow, to permit, and even to approve of. (If this is from the position of alternative life styles why would one be sorry one approves of their life style?) Do you mean condone or condemn? (Ie you are sorry for those people who condemn alternative life styles?)

[TomCRaymond]

Gay skinheads? Now you're talking!

[frankiespencer999]

Yes, that's like, it. I'm like, totally valley.

[Piko6262]

So what if it's gay, doesn't mean it's inferior or anything like that....

[frankiespencer999]

Um, It's like, totally gay.

[frankiespencer999]

Totally Gay!!!

[oleirao]

And when it seems so an Hetero Video , you say "TOTALLY HETERO"? idiot.

[2fastSpeedy]

Gaylords :D LOL

Nice song

[danceaddict75]

My first crush on a band was b/c of this track

[GBOY69GAY]

This video version is actually much better that the another totally different "It´s a Sin" video version, which they showed on MTV commonly when this song was a smash hit. This video has classical style, that is visually timeless, when the another video is visually only average 80´s music video :)

[javoman13]

nice video.

[obliv4eva2k7]

i luv this song iv got it on my mp3 player