Humanity has lost it's way with ideology instead of using intuition and instinct.We need sovereignty(conservativism) and we need community(socialism).One or the other isn't fluid enough to have equilibrium.Tribal hunter gatherers had/have the only sane lifestyle that encompasses all of these issues.99% of our problems started when we stopped living close to the earth, and each other.Selfishness,ego depend on automated societies.Total sovereignty is impossible without cancerous technologies.
In this day and age, being lazy is actually a virtue, as long as you own it and it's a conscious decision.Ambition has become a fucking liability to society,used to puppeteer people.I dig some of what he's saying,but people need to stop alienating people,using the man's value system to make them feel worthless.Let's really address the roots of these issues,continuing the insanity by elevating the system and it's bullshit values just hurts everybody.
@94Cioppa True socialism might make the population more egalitarian, but so what? Ever been to Switzerland? EVERYONE is the same! Sweden? Never been, but it is on my list.
Point being, Rogan has spoken the truth. Most people expect equality of results without even putting in equal labor.
Not everyone is smart enough to "carve out" a niche. Not everyone has marketable skills. There is NO WORK for many kinds of people. Not everyone is a self managing wizard.
i get called a hippy all the time because i speak out against the absurd government we have.. but im nothing like the average hippy.. i hate socialism, i hate the way most stoners talk, i hate community living, i hate the grateful dead.. except for a couple songs... im all for individual sovereignty and responsibility.. but the fuckin government wont have any of that shit.. it seems to me that im about the only american that isnt a damn socialist that wants everything spread around by force
This mans knowledge of politics and economics seems to be somewhat limited. Your typical prick that becomes successful and then moulds his political ideas so as to essentially brag about his own success and independence. what a great man. what an inspiration.
Socialism, Communism, Satanism. Abolishment of faith in God. Control taken over by a tiny number of men. Period. Libertarian are no better. Look at each concept/who developed them. And their end results are always the same, death of the poor by the millions.
People call these lazy folks on state aid parasites. But a parasite is a parasite when its host doesn't know its being used. The real parasites in this system are not the lazy people, its the rich people that rob us right out from under our noses with out ever getting caught.
Well at least they are still urning their money and what they need. Instead of begging. And don't give me "there are no jobs" bull shit, because everyday in the newspaper there is about 30 jobs. You can't expect things to be given to you, and even if there are none you can provide for children with unemployment and welfare. Also if you live in Washington there is WICK
nope, i disagree. would u prefer a hard working nazi or a lazy guy who lives and lets live? and i mean someone whos NOT working for you. hard work isnt everything. as humans we have ONE resposibility in my opinion. To gain as much knowledge as possible. NOT opinions or beliefs, but KNOWLEDGE. otherwise you'll be building your own prison, with an air of self righteousness that your 'working so hard', 'achieving things', until u find u DONT GET THAT PENSION, etc. meanwhile ur fking evrythng
Wow, I never figured Joe Rogan for an intellectual/social commentator. Joe Rogan for president! Unfortunately, the fuckwits he's describing in this are now basically running the country.
You know how I know a collective approach is the only way forward? Because I've met twenty something, homeless people, who've been homeless since they were teens, have no familiar support, and are unemployable due to mental illness. That's how I know that this framework we live within is dishonorable, and why I don't fall for anecdotal critiques based on "I've known some lazy Socialists". I could say all the fuck ups I've known were self-identified capitalists, but that's not a valid argument.
San Francisco full of lazy people!?! Are you kidding me? It's so expensive there, everyone needs three jobs just to pay rent. Nobody can live on handouts in SF.
I agree with Rogan on almost everything, but Socialism is not about people waiting for a handout. For Socialism to work, everyone who can work must work.
@SlapToneBass Exactly. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". The cornerstone of real socialism is labor. Also, I think Joe assumes that "hippie" equals "socialist". I've actually met very few hippies that believed in taxation. Most had fantasies of living "off the grid". Socialists, both historically and now, are typically stout working class people, with working class backgrounds. It's a call for the extension of democracy into the industrial sphere
@uberrrich Well, thanks to imperialism, colonialism, manifest destiny, etc., we can't really say what would've "worked out" for them, now can we? It wasn't exactly their lack of Nationalism that decided the issue. It was a technological gap and the fact that those with the tech saw fit to do them in.
Native Americans had Rifles. See we traded with them because by and large we got along. It wasn't until Manifest Destiny, and unsurprisingly it was a Democrat Andrew Jackson who savaged the Natives. That is the one thing you got right.
Did you know early settlers bought the Island of Manhattan from Native people? They laughed at us while they did it too because in their mind no Man can own the Earth.
@fishblades This is not true. Pilgrims stole from the Native Americans within hours of their first landing, and it never got any better. Breaking into their cairns and whatnot.
@Amills11 No, every tribe did not have a hierarchical structure, nor was every tribe "built on war". And even if it were the case, we would still not be discussing nationalism.
@VintageburstStandard Yes they did even if it was as simple as the oldest made the decisions or certain members had a vote. Most tribes were based on war by the simple fact they didn't want you on there land. It was there buffalo, it was there lake, or you had something they want which is the deciding factor for most war.Your the one who brought up tribes. The fact they were territorial is relevant when your talking about nationalism.
@Amills11 Not every tribe was "territorial", nor has there been any evidence to date that any tribe had even a concept of ownership. In many pre-European tribes, even the Chief served no other purpose than to act as figurehead, and dispense advice or suggest a direction. Even the children were allowed to decide for themselves how to fill their day. There was a capacity for war within every tribe, but that's different from saying they were "built on war". Still, not nationalism. cont.
@VintageburstStandard Nationalism is the belief that your culture is superior, and a nationalist society propagates and encourages such beliefs in order to strengthen the allegiance and devotion of it's subjects. A territorial dispute, in and of itself, does not constitute nationalism.
I'm neither a fan nor a hater of joe rogan, but while he made some valid points he also made some very 'arm-chair' analysis type of comments. I'd be interested in finding out just how much research has he done over the scandinavian countries which economically are amongst the top, as well as being socialist. The definition of socialist in the U.S. has been very much influenced by propaganda and when we hear the word we initially picture the old U.S.S.R. At the same time...
... the idea of capitalism and a free market economy is also affected by propaganda but unlike socialism, it is normally thought that the U.S. employs a pure free market economy when in reality, most well informed people will tell you that it does not. So I'm just surprised that Joe Rogan, someone who tends to be pretty well informed, would be a victim to such a distorted view of 'socialists' or 'hippies' as lazy. Hippies back then were painted in the same manner as OWS protesters are right now.
all any of these comments prove is that socialism is not a realistic ideal since it requires the absence of human selfishness, which cannot be eradicated. Socialism is a mythical altruistic ideal, any practical application of it is doomed to fail in one way or another.
@RottyB There are a lot of innately human qualities that we have learned to control over centuries, throughout the progress of modern civilization, for the sake of civilization. If we based civilization on "do whatever comes natural", the environment would be steeped in violence, to say the least. The theory (and it is more theory than fact), that greed is simply human, and not a learned/cultivated trait, is not alone a valid critique of altruism.
@VintageburstStandard That may be true but until altruism is a natural born human trait socialist practices will always come through the subjugation of one to benefit another and very rarely we will see the subjugated seeing it as being civilized. Socialism is based in corruption despite being the war cry of the bleeding heart. Socialism preys on the gullibility of those with good intentions. You want to help? Donate to a charity and stop caring whether I do or not.
@RottyB Just because decades of relentless corporate propaganda have destroyed it in most Americans doesn't mean that things like basic decency, solidarity, empathy, compassion or altruism aren't basic human traits. It means that Americans are dehumanized beings.
@RottyB Consider it an asshole tax on you, then. Any decent people voluntarily chips in for the greater good. The rest, like you, are paying an asshole tax.
@Pastor9764 You act as though I've never donated in my life and I have know compassion I do, but more and more when I see a donation bin I have to think I already donated I paid taxes this week. Only to become more irate to know its not going to any one who needs it its filling up some rich corrupt bureaucrat's pocket. The asshole is you sir for thinking you or any one else should have the authority to tell me what to do with the spoils of my labor.
@Pastor9764 The more people with that moronic view I hear from the more i wish I could just go live on food stamps, section 8, welfare, etc. and sit around having chumps like you carry my tab, but I couldn't the fact that socialist morons carry my life would drive to commiting an "honor-killing" on myself
Your faith in capitalism is just as misplaced. It requires that when people have been outdone they move aside. In fact the so called capitalists we have will hamstring competitors rather than produce better products. In your world capitalists win by being the best, in fact they have many ways of getting money. Many of these are nothing to do with supplying the best service. Altrusim and greed are both human traits, you just happen to be willing to make excuses for greed.
@Goobag My point is that socialism is driven by the same greed that capitalism is. People are quick to forget how quickly government can become too powerful so they believe it to be the answer. Your politicians answer to the same capitalists you despise. Those promoting socialism benefit these capitalists by using their goods and services to dish out the socialism. You're just choosing which fat-cat you prefer to further fatten.
I understand what you are saying, I don't think the problem is with the idea of socialism. It's with the people that administer it. What you and most people are understandably aggrieved about is the inefficiency in doling out tax money. As wary as you are of politicians(and rightfully so) I am more wary still of capitalists. They are not answerable to the people in any way but help shape policy. A politician still has to worry about keeping his/her constituents happy to some extent.
@Goobag There is in essence no difference between a needy person stealing from me directly than having an intermediary i.e. the government steal it from me. Government robs me of my desire to be charitable by forcing me to do so and then taking all the credit for it. I would even be more persuaded to be bound by law to make a documented donation to the charity of my choice, but having the gov't take it from me and waste over 60% of itj ust trying to get it where it needs to go?
I'll also say the line between capitalists and politicians had blurred to the point where there it can be very hard to see the difference. Sickening I know, but some checks and balances are better than none.Government moderation trumps unfettered capitalism.
I also disagree that socialism is driven by greed.It is altruism and is seen in the animal kingdom from chimps to vampire bats.Those that never help anyone else are not helped when they need it.
From my experience of the poor they are not tight fisted, in most countries in fact poor people will share more than they should.Most people don't want to live on handouts.For people on the bottom it is hard to see the way out especially as social mobility has been grinding to a halt in the West.There are a small minority who don't want to work but in a society where everyone does their bit they would be bred out eventually.A fairer society would weed out scroungers.
Wasn't meant to be an ad hominem. Greed is a naturally occouring human trait. You can't be selfless all the time but it is a primitive trait that should be held in check if we are ever to progress as a species. I merely said you are more willing to defend this particular trait.
@Goobag I am glad you see that my position is not from selfishness we all want the best for our communities we just have different ideas on how to get there. I respect your opinion regardless of how intensely I disagree with it. I believe a utopian society would be quite socialist even borderline communist, but human error is an ever present constant. Though do we not control capitalists through our ability to take our money else where when their evils are revealed?
As you say, we disagree on things.Let's be honest the chances of changing each other's minds on this issue are minimal, add to that, this is youtube.You can articulate your viewpoint intelligently and without a verbal assault which I respect.
On some matters we have the same opinion (the human race is not of of a very high standard),again I agree we differ on where to go from here. We may be wasting each other's time but respond to any of my comments you found interesting.
@Goobag There are few if any complete monopolies around today, and I support anti-trust laws. Do you follow the politics? Legislating in agreement with the constituency is not really the standard. I also know of dozens of people personally that abuse the system. I believe that socialism is great in the microcosm but in the macrocosm it doesn't work there's too much distance between the providers and the receivers for either to really care about the other.
@Goobag Also is gov't regulation one of those things a big evil company can use against its possible competitors a big company has the funds to adapt to the regulation while smaller ones just cannot afford it. Socialism would work if gov't was more efficient but I dont think that would be good either gov't mainly just robs us of our freedoms and thats one thing that makes me glad they are clumsy stumbling buffons that barely can get anything done.
@Antiks72 The notion that there are "stupid lazy hippies" is not a valid argument. In case you haven't noticed, stupid lazy people espouse all manner of ideologies, and occupy all manner of tax brackets, for that matter.
the "ideal" of socialism is noble enough i guess, but then so is world peace. So, if you jump headlong into the ideal you're gonna get served. Like a kung fu guy in a prison fight
@themi90 If you knew the actual history, you'd know that to be false. I'd advice you to read some Noam Chomsky, if you want to learn the reality of socialism and its history.
@Vilibrato I'm familiar with Chomsky. But I still think socialism only works under false pretenses in regards to human nature. "The village cow is always over milked and underfed." If human ever reach a point where that is no longer true I will welcome socialism gladly. Until then I will continue to be very wary of it. Its not based on a hatred or extremist view, for me it really is pragmatism, I am very aware of the problems in capitalism as well, I'm just more tolerant of them
@themi90 You might be familiar, but have you actually read his books on these matters? I don't think you have, because if you had, you would would know how much rescource has gone into destabalizing socialist societies, and feeding the US society with propaganda at the same time. This propaganda has been going on for about 60 years now, so I understand why so many people fall for it ... we don't know anything else.
But please trust me, humans are better and bigger that this shit.
Joe is a very bright guy, I'm with him on almost everything, but like a lot of guys his age he's bought into some revisionist history about the 60s, Socialism, etc. The best minds of the 60s/70s counterculture were right about almost everything. War, the rise of corporatism, the trashing of the environment, sexism, racism, on & on. Yeah, lazy people are lazy whether they're hippies or Wall St. swindlers. Lazy's bad..we get it. But when did the Bush family ever break a sweat, the pope, the queen?
I can agree with everything except his definition of socialism, because he has the same screwed-up idea of it that most Americans have of it. Socialism is not allowing people to be lazy, and someone else will pay the bills. Socialism is EXACTLY what he described himself to be, everyone working their asses off, everyone pitching in, and when one of us is having a rough time, there's a pot to draw from so that cat can get back on his feet. THAT is true socialism, and it works.
@Russebby In theory it does and so does Democracy but not one culture has practiced them the way they were designed and it is because they were written as Utopias and thus human nature takes a toll on those ideas but socialism was practiced in a much more fucked up way by the nations that had it than western societies.
@Russebby There are no differences in either of those definitions except what actually happens when the theory leaves paper and starts being implemented in a real world society with real people. I agree that if everyone had the right idea socialism would be a beatifull thing, but the reality is that people (now at least) are not going to make it work they are going to exploit it, yhe way they did everything. Remember thst their is no clause against charity in capatalism. People are just greedy
@Russebby ya it works in theory...here is why it doesnt work in a human world. in a human world we are motivated by selfishness and greed. with that premise in mind, which is unfortunately true, socialism does require a central "pot", the pot everyone sends their excess to, that called the "state," the state becomes like a bank for that excess and whoever is in charge of that central pot ultimately reallocated more to themselves than they should under the guise of "public welfare."
@Antiks72 You do realize that medicaid and medicare have cost the United States over 900 Billion dollars in debt since their enactment, right? I wouldn't necessarily describe that as "working"... With the way the system is set up, the United States will continue to suffer exponentially increasing debt from the programs, as well as other welfare programs, as the population growth of the United States is slowly down. If you look at population pyramids of our country, this statement holds true.
@TheMrVogue Woops, forgot to proof read, capitalization mistakes in there, and I forgot to change slowly to "slowing"... Anyways, I hope we can have a polite and decent debate :)!
@TheMrVogue I don't buy it. Nine hundred billion (if what you say is true) is nothing compared to the billions wasted on the Iraq War. Raises taxes on greedy rich fucks to pay for the programs that the people want. Single payer for all would force the insurance industry to lower prices, which would curb costs. Price controls would be nice as well.
@Antiks72 I don't agree on the war in Iraq either my good sir, hell, I'm not a fan of wasted tax dollars aswell. I'm not a fan of taxes to be quite frank. That's why I propose that instead of letting the government deal with our money and piss it away through it's bureaucracy, we the people should instead invest in private social programs and charities to avoid the corruption of government. It is money and power that lead to the inefficiency. Take away the power, and it gets a whole lot sweeter.
@TheMrVogue Bureaucracy does not require government, nor do state institutions automatically fall prey to it. Any and all large scale institutions, be they state or private, are prone to it. Volunteerism can never meet the scale required to address as wide-scale an epidemic as poverty. Libertarians consistently seek to divest large public structures of their power, under the assumption that large private institutions, unaccountable to the public, will somehow fair better.
@Antiks72 Thus, if it wasn't for the fact that we let big business and big banking get into our politics, then such establishments would actually be of benefit our nation with their assets. Organized Corporate lobbying, and the corporatism that we currently allow our government to subject us to, is the underlying reason for so many of our economic problems. Decentralize government, localize, and deregulate. Maintain a policy of neutrality, and we may just have something on the verge of working!
@TheMrVogue You've partially rooted out the problem. It is, in fact, large monied interests that muddy the works when it comes to governance. But the solution is not to simply transfer the responsibility of seeing to the well-being of the people from an overall public institution, to local private institutions devoid of democratic input, then allowing those same large private interests, that you admit are scoundrels, the go ahead to pursue wealth in any manner they deem fit. cont.
@VintageburstStandard The solution is to get money, effectively, out of the political decision making process. Then, allow citizens to vote on actual policy, rather than simply voting for a representative. Then, since hopefully by now in the evolution of civilization we've all come to the conclusion that democracy is superior, extend that democracy into the industrial sphere: shared ownership of the means of production, whilst still protecting personal property.
@Antiks72 Sorry, I am constantly having trouble fitting all of this text into this box D:, if you would so kindly waive any grammatical error, I'd greatly appreciate it! I meant to write "...would actually be of benefit to our nation with their assets." :o
@TheMrVogue Well that explains it. The last thing I'd give the current people who run this country is more money. One thing's for certain: any change must be followed by cleaning house, if you get my drift.
@OneWorldGoverment86 The world is full of socialist institutions that function well, and have done so in some cases for decades, if not longer. Sweden ranks consistently number 1 in welfare state spending, and was one of the least effected by the Euro crisis. Still going strong. Germany's Universal Health system has been trucking since the days of Bismark. And of course, and example that you hopefully will never have to experience first hand: your local Fire Dpt. cont.
@VintageburstStandard In truth, there's never been a "Socialist System" that's ever died under the weight of it's own merits and tenets. It's always required interference from outside sources (embargo, sanction, economic sabotage, outright military crackdown). I gather that Rogan's only insight into Socialism has been by way of the anecdotal experiences he relates, rather than real research. I grew up in the South, and have met many lazy, RAGING Capitalists. cont.
@VintageburstStandard The sad truth is that every ideology has it's bad apples, but interestingly enough, at least as far as the these two camps are concerned, the bad apples tend to be driven by the same agenda: exploitation. The bad apples I've met in the socialist camp (my camp), don't know much about what they support, and only see "free stuff", wrongly, embodied in the term. Capitalist bad apples simply envision a day when they can exploit labor to their own ends.
@VintageburstStandard The most peculiar aspect of Joe's take here, is that he readily admits that the system is fucked up, but that we're simply meant to "find our own path". Recognizing that a system is "fucked up", then telling people that the only solution isn't to search for a solution at all, but to "find your own path", is simply saying "it's wrong, I know, but shut up and contribute to the madness". It's this sentiment that causes human progress to stagnate.
Social democracy is going pretty well in Scandinavia. On most measures for quality of life they are near the top. Plenty of chance to make money there too. There is no true socialist system anywhere, nor has there ever been for that matter.Some countries said they were, they lied.
Even in theory it doesn't work because in your theory every person must care only for the collective people/species. That is not Human nature. They will say it's a bad thing to be selfish and greedy. Is the Butcher who opens a Shop selfish because he did it to provide for himself and his family?
We as individuals work to increase our standard of living, it naturally benefits everyone else. If you all we be provided for even if don't work, why work?
@OneWorldGoverment86 Socialism doesn't work for the majorities, it is a debilitating system to enslave masses. Communism works, that's why it has always been the bait. Communism has always been the bait for the goal of Socialism. And they don't even try to hide it; USSR "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics".
Remember this whenever you hear someone say that 'Communism has already failed'; it never even got a chance. Wasn't intended to. It was supposed to be ideal: bait.
@OneWorldGoverment86 Actual socialism has never been tried anywhere any time in history. Also, it's always going to be a compromise somewhere in the middle between fascism (=Tea Party "Libertarian" ideal) and socialism.
@OneWorldGoverment86 France's system works really well. It's a public private system, which means private non-profit companies administer government services. The only reason the French system is having trouble now is because of a huge influx of immigration. The most successful governmental systems are a mix of private and public sectors - including our system. Social Security was created because old people were dying in their homes. Now they're not. Socialism isn't bad or good. It's a system.
@OneWorldGoverment86 That depends how you define socialism. Pure socialism aka Marxism, Communism never works. But other forms as social (capitalistic) democracy, social conservatism, National Socialism, fascism do work. And function more or less as promised. But you will not agree with this if you have liberalistic or libertarian, anarchistic viewpoint.
@OneWorldGoverment86 because they make a deal of : The People get every need equally paid for (house, education, job) in exchange for freedom, voice and power. That is not a good deal for innovation and progress, so the economy will always tank because youth incentive for participation with a authoritarian government is low and out of disrespect the people begin to rob their own government, causing further decline.
@OneWorldGoverment86 Every person wants to be admired and understood, and socialism neither admires you for your individuality; instead own your talent, or seeks to hear anything you have to say. It is similar to a relationship between a battered wife and domineering husband, who provides every monetary need with no deep appreciation or respect, and that kind of relationship can never coexist in harmony and will eventually end in chaos.
hes talking about true socialism, not countries where there are some socialized aspects like post-secondary education or medicine
true socialism is a perfect system. humans arent perfect. You cant apply a perfect system to imperfect subjects. The humans always end up beating their comrade for some extra money because their income is locked in.
im canadian and I love our socialized medicine. I could do with some socialized university too, but true socialism wont work here
@asd6787 No, he's talking about socialism across the board. Socialism is a scourge. It's a system for moochers and the weak minded. There is nothing wrong with charity but institutionalized theft masquerading and charity (socialism) is immoral. Socialism gets it's foot in the door with things like education and medical. Cut it off before the cancer grows my friend. ;)
@OneWorldGoverment86 Its because most systems were based on infinite resources. Almost every system we have now was based on infinite resources. We need a new system. One that makes sense.
There's more to it than that. It's anti-authoritarian and calls for worker self-management. People would work their asses off for each other and ultimately themselves. Even a one man business could fall into this category because it's self-managed.
@Dusted000 You'll go to any length to insult me, will you? Can't be helped I guess. You seem to be quite a bitter person. You want to end the debate, so this will be my last reply. By the way, I don't hate America, just the direction its headed to, and the people controlling it. Good day.
@Dusted000 Wow, just wow lol. You did a background check on me? That is unbelievably low. But it does prove my point. You resort to petty insults based on my weight and interests, shows that you're desperate to get under my skin. Not very mature of you. This is YouTube. There's no need to go that far.
@Dusted000 Lol don't give me that nonsense. Were all homosapiens, and we all live on planet earth. Nationalism, and intolerance keep us from ever uniting. It shouldn't matter what country you're from, what color you are, or any other bullshit like that.
@DieByTheSword420 You claim to understand Homosapians. Yet you posit that it is possible for everyone on planet Earth to "unite." This absolutely utopian/idiotic thought process proves you have no understanding of human nature whatsoever. But that is only the beginning of your issues. Trust me, the fact that you're fat, unattractive, hairy as shit, and obsessed with cartoons, has NOTHING to do with the fact you're single.
Well, I never said I understood homosapiens, though I do suppose I have a pretty good understanding of them. Humans like to feel superior to other humans, so they brag about things like wealth, looks, and how much better their country is than another's. Kinda like you. First I see you on here bragging about how much better America is than somebody else's country, then during our argument you went as far as doing a background check on me for the sole purpose of putting me down.
@DieByTheSword420 And I only bragged about America because some Norweigian fuck was trashing it first. You may dislike America as well, thats your right. But as I said in my last comment. We're done here. you win, I lose. You, in your long life understand all there is to know about what people want and what is possible. Take Care, Actually don't. I don't care.
You're a dipshit, and an ignorant one at that. You assume that i'm single based off of my appearance and my YouTube favorites, when you know nothing of my personal life. But let's go back to our debate about nationalism. Sure, a nation uniting together to overthrow tyranny IS indeed a beautiful thing, but wouldn't it be even more beautiful for humanity to unite together to evolve as a species? It's been a dream of mine for a long time, like other people such as Carl Sagan and Bill H
@DieByTheSword420 I think we are done here. You allege to be a fan of the Enlightenment. Seems to me that you need to read some more Adam Smith and John Locke. Throw some Edmund Burke in there as well. Human nature is what it is my friend. Either we can accept that, be realistic and try to create the most humane society possible, within reason. Or we can pretend history doesn't matter, throw caution to the wind and attempt to remake humanity in our likeness. You're not original
It's been a dream of mine for a long time, like other people such as Carl Sagan and Bill Hicks. It does seem impossible, but I still have some faith left. As soon as people discard intolerance, nationalism, religion, and other things like that, we will be able to evolve as a species and possibly explore the cosmos. Like I said, it's only a dream.
Fuckin' hippies...I remember them the first time around!!! They went to Canada, I went to Viet Nam! And before somebody calls me a conservative douchebag, I'm a staunch Libertarian and a BIG Ron Paul supporter....
As a hippie I gotta agree with this guy on the fact that there are definitely people like this that give a lot a of bad vibes to these kinds of movements, but in my experience usually these are the people in these groups that get ostracized fairly fast. Nobody likes a mooch, even if you are a hippie.
ATTENTION all Ron Paul supporters. This Saturday, January 14, marks another Ron Paul Moneybomb. If you believe in the cause of liberty as much as you say you do please go to ronpaul2012 . com and pledge to give what you can on Saturday. Always make good on your word just as Dr. Paul has through his life.
From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.
Is not a recipe for laziness.
Socialism does not entail an abrogation of responsibility.It also has very little to do with Hippies.Joe if you happen to read this one day...Well all I can say is,you don't even have an elementary grasp of what classical Marxist philosophy is.It's not surprising very few Americans (even educated ones) do.Now,there's a reason for that.1% leech off everybody,far more than hippies ever knew how to.
The universe as it relates to conscious life can be understood now. It is the ultimate truth; the truth that will transform mankind and the world. If this reaches everyone, it will unite all human beings. It is what we all have in common, and that will never change.
Google 'Truth Contest' and open the entry called 'The Present'. Its the truth you can check for yourself.
4:14- 4:23 is fucking gold. I suffer from depression and a lot of times I am guilty (hell, maybe ALL the time) of asking someone else to step in and take all the pain away while I sit on my ass and don't even TRY to be positive, social, happy, exercise, eat right, get a hobby, get a job etc, etc, etc. I think I learned something today. If you need help, the first thing you need to do is help yourself...
@tpstrat14 Nothing like an epiphany!! Depression is a bitch but drugs wont fix it, you have to. Use this as something to motivate you and say fuck the knock backs you had and will get, it's a part of life. New year, new start, new you!! Go and get it!!
@sixamsedna I agree. I was researching a modern day commune called twin oaks and each member has to put in 40 hours a week working on various things like farming or making hammocks or working for the community tofu business. Anyone that claims to be a hippie a stupid though and I agree that people need to find their own way to survive without freeloading.
Humanity has lost it's way with ideology instead of using intuition and instinct.We need sovereignty(conservativism) and we need community(socialism).One or the other isn't fluid enough to have equilibrium.Tribal hunter gatherers had/have the only sane lifestyle that encompasses all of these issues.99% of our problems started when we stopped living close to the earth, and each other.Selfishness,ego depend on automated societies.Total sovereignty is impossible without cancerous technologies.
demerc 20 hours ago
In this day and age, being lazy is actually a virtue, as long as you own it and it's a conscious decision.Ambition has become a fucking liability to society,used to puppeteer people.I dig some of what he's saying,but people need to stop alienating people,using the man's value system to make them feel worthless.Let's really address the roots of these issues,continuing the insanity by elevating the system and it's bullshit values just hurts everybody.
demerc 20 hours ago
People who can't afford to have kids should just get abortions.
RadioFreeWisconsin 1 day ago
I am surrounded by ignorance. Go to Sweden then tell me Socialism is evil.
94Cioppa 3 days ago
@94Cioppa True socialism might make the population more egalitarian, but so what? Ever been to Switzerland? EVERYONE is the same! Sweden? Never been, but it is on my list.
Point being, Rogan has spoken the truth. Most people expect equality of results without even putting in equal labor.
BARCACROSSESTHEALPS 2 days ago
Not everyone is smart enough to "carve out" a niche. Not everyone has marketable skills. There is NO WORK for many kinds of people. Not everyone is a self managing wizard.
That said, yes, many are lazy.
Inannalu 3 days ago
Is Joe Rogan an idiot philosopher?
thesecondjesus 4 days ago 2
You were too young to know the real Hippies!
mark1952able 4 days ago
That was a waste of time.
winteriscomin2021 4 days ago 3
i get called a hippy all the time because i speak out against the absurd government we have.. but im nothing like the average hippy.. i hate socialism, i hate the way most stoners talk, i hate community living, i hate the grateful dead.. except for a couple songs... im all for individual sovereignty and responsibility.. but the fuckin government wont have any of that shit.. it seems to me that im about the only american that isnt a damn socialist that wants everything spread around by force
longfootbuddy 5 days ago
That shit was well said, Thanks!
mobilechief 1 week ago
I'm a generous guy.
So, I do good things for other people.
Because I'm a generous guy.
That's why.
Cuz, I'm good.
And, other people suck.
And, stuff.
beeblmeyer 1 week ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Actually it doesn't even work out in theory, due to the economic calculation problem.
TheCapitalistdog 1 week ago
This mans knowledge of politics and economics seems to be somewhat limited. Your typical prick that becomes successful and then moulds his political ideas so as to essentially brag about his own success and independence. what a great man. what an inspiration.
MadDogQ 1 week ago
Socialism, Communism, Satanism. Abolishment of faith in God. Control taken over by a tiny number of men. Period. Libertarian are no better. Look at each concept/who developed them. And their end results are always the same, death of the poor by the millions.
wikkid61 1 week ago
Yeah, the far right sucks, but so does the far left. I don't like Yuppies or Hippies. Fuck'em both.
HiSpeedDrifter 1 week ago
@HiSpeedDrifter I hear that. I'm with you but as I get older I lean more left.
marvelous211 1 week ago
I pass the love to the left everyday!!!!
mdedic1 1 week ago 3
Sometimes I smoke a huge amount of weed all the time.
youdevil6 1 week ago
Joe, never tell hippies to get off their asses and make something happen, that's like showing a cross to a vampire.
mocus1 2 weeks ago
People call these lazy folks on state aid parasites. But a parasite is a parasite when its host doesn't know its being used. The real parasites in this system are not the lazy people, its the rich people that rob us right out from under our noses with out ever getting caught.
iJuStEriC 2 weeks ago 2
@iJuStEriC funny thing is one of the ways they rob us is buy telling us they are helping the poor lazy people with the money they take
RottyB 2 weeks ago
Well at least they are still urning their money and what they need. Instead of begging. And don't give me "there are no jobs" bull shit, because everyday in the newspaper there is about 30 jobs. You can't expect things to be given to you, and even if there are none you can provide for children with unemployment and welfare. Also if you live in Washington there is WICK
CrazyMadYeti 2 weeks ago
nope, i disagree. would u prefer a hard working nazi or a lazy guy who lives and lets live? and i mean someone whos NOT working for you. hard work isnt everything. as humans we have ONE resposibility in my opinion. To gain as much knowledge as possible. NOT opinions or beliefs, but KNOWLEDGE. otherwise you'll be building your own prison, with an air of self righteousness that your 'working so hard', 'achieving things', until u find u DONT GET THAT PENSION, etc. meanwhile ur fking evrythng
natmanprime 2 weeks ago
amen
z91952 2 weeks ago
eric cartman supports joe rogan lol
daleva187goligo 2 weeks ago
Lazy people piss me off soooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!!!
broadcastmyass4u 2 weeks ago
Wow, I never figured Joe Rogan for an intellectual/social commentator. Joe Rogan for president! Unfortunately, the fuckwits he's describing in this are now basically running the country.
GuyWithGuitars1 3 weeks ago
You know how I know a collective approach is the only way forward? Because I've met twenty something, homeless people, who've been homeless since they were teens, have no familiar support, and are unemployable due to mental illness. That's how I know that this framework we live within is dishonorable, and why I don't fall for anecdotal critiques based on "I've known some lazy Socialists". I could say all the fuck ups I've known were self-identified capitalists, but that's not a valid argument.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
oh shit im the lazy bitch.....(leaves room)
xtcottonballx 3 weeks ago
a foundation of bullshit lmao
xtcottonballx 3 weeks ago
San Francisco full of lazy people!?! Are you kidding me? It's so expensive there, everyone needs three jobs just to pay rent. Nobody can live on handouts in SF.
I agree with Rogan on almost everything, but Socialism is not about people waiting for a handout. For Socialism to work, everyone who can work must work.
SlapToneBass 1 month ago
@SlapToneBass Exactly. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". The cornerstone of real socialism is labor. Also, I think Joe assumes that "hippie" equals "socialist". I've actually met very few hippies that believed in taxation. Most had fantasies of living "off the grid". Socialists, both historically and now, are typically stout working class people, with working class backgrounds. It's a call for the extension of democracy into the industrial sphere
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
Can't have socialism without nationalism. Only time it's ever worked.
uberrrich 1 month ago
@uberrrich Except for thousands of years of tribal cultures like the Native Americans, as well as similar aboriginal cultures globally.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard lol yeah, that's worked out real well for them.
uberrrich 3 weeks ago
@uberrrich Well, thanks to imperialism, colonialism, manifest destiny, etc., we can't really say what would've "worked out" for them, now can we? It wasn't exactly their lack of Nationalism that decided the issue. It was a technological gap and the fact that those with the tech saw fit to do them in.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard
Native Americans had Rifles. See we traded with them because by and large we got along. It wasn't until Manifest Destiny, and unsurprisingly it was a Democrat Andrew Jackson who savaged the Natives. That is the one thing you got right.
Did you know early settlers bought the Island of Manhattan from Native people? They laughed at us while they did it too because in their mind no Man can own the Earth.
I wouldn't call buying land "colonialism"
fishblades 2 weeks ago 7
@fishblades This is not true. Pilgrims stole from the Native Americans within hours of their first landing, and it never got any better. Breaking into their cairns and whatnot.
ArchaicJ 1 week ago
@fishblades history fail.
7CATALYST25 1 week ago
@VintageburstStandard Every tribe had a hierarchy everyone was not equal. Almost every tribe was built on war.
Amills11 3 weeks ago
@Amills11 No, every tribe did not have a hierarchical structure, nor was every tribe "built on war". And even if it were the case, we would still not be discussing nationalism.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard Yes they did even if it was as simple as the oldest made the decisions or certain members had a vote. Most tribes were based on war by the simple fact they didn't want you on there land. It was there buffalo, it was there lake, or you had something they want which is the deciding factor for most war.Your the one who brought up tribes. The fact they were territorial is relevant when your talking about nationalism.
Amills11 3 weeks ago
@Amills11 Not every tribe was "territorial", nor has there been any evidence to date that any tribe had even a concept of ownership. In many pre-European tribes, even the Chief served no other purpose than to act as figurehead, and dispense advice or suggest a direction. Even the children were allowed to decide for themselves how to fill their day. There was a capacity for war within every tribe, but that's different from saying they were "built on war". Still, not nationalism. cont.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard Nationalism is the belief that your culture is superior, and a nationalist society propagates and encourages such beliefs in order to strengthen the allegiance and devotion of it's subjects. A territorial dispute, in and of itself, does not constitute nationalism.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard all types of wrongs being typed out by you
uberrrich 3 weeks ago
theres more straight up homeless bum's than actual hippies in boulder, co
ghettoslider 1 month ago
I'm neither a fan nor a hater of joe rogan, but while he made some valid points he also made some very 'arm-chair' analysis type of comments. I'd be interested in finding out just how much research has he done over the scandinavian countries which economically are amongst the top, as well as being socialist. The definition of socialist in the U.S. has been very much influenced by propaganda and when we hear the word we initially picture the old U.S.S.R. At the same time...
squishynoodle22 1 month ago
... the idea of capitalism and a free market economy is also affected by propaganda but unlike socialism, it is normally thought that the U.S. employs a pure free market economy when in reality, most well informed people will tell you that it does not. So I'm just surprised that Joe Rogan, someone who tends to be pretty well informed, would be a victim to such a distorted view of 'socialists' or 'hippies' as lazy. Hippies back then were painted in the same manner as OWS protesters are right now.
squishynoodle22 1 month ago
all any of these comments prove is that socialism is not a realistic ideal since it requires the absence of human selfishness, which cannot be eradicated. Socialism is a mythical altruistic ideal, any practical application of it is doomed to fail in one way or another.
RottyB 1 month ago
@RottyB There are a lot of innately human qualities that we have learned to control over centuries, throughout the progress of modern civilization, for the sake of civilization. If we based civilization on "do whatever comes natural", the environment would be steeped in violence, to say the least. The theory (and it is more theory than fact), that greed is simply human, and not a learned/cultivated trait, is not alone a valid critique of altruism.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard That may be true but until altruism is a natural born human trait socialist practices will always come through the subjugation of one to benefit another and very rarely we will see the subjugated seeing it as being civilized. Socialism is based in corruption despite being the war cry of the bleeding heart. Socialism preys on the gullibility of those with good intentions. You want to help? Donate to a charity and stop caring whether I do or not.
RottyB 2 weeks ago
@RottyB Just because decades of relentless corporate propaganda have destroyed it in most Americans doesn't mean that things like basic decency, solidarity, empathy, compassion or altruism aren't basic human traits. It means that Americans are dehumanized beings.
Pastor9764 2 weeks ago
@RottyB Consider it an asshole tax on you, then. Any decent people voluntarily chips in for the greater good. The rest, like you, are paying an asshole tax.
Pastor9764 2 weeks ago
@Pastor9764 You act as though I've never donated in my life and I have know compassion I do, but more and more when I see a donation bin I have to think I already donated I paid taxes this week. Only to become more irate to know its not going to any one who needs it its filling up some rich corrupt bureaucrat's pocket. The asshole is you sir for thinking you or any one else should have the authority to tell me what to do with the spoils of my labor.
RottyB 2 weeks ago
@Pastor9764 The more people with that moronic view I hear from the more i wish I could just go live on food stamps, section 8, welfare, etc. and sit around having chumps like you carry my tab, but I couldn't the fact that socialist morons carry my life would drive to commiting an "honor-killing" on myself
RottyB 2 weeks ago
@RottyB
Your faith in capitalism is just as misplaced. It requires that when people have been outdone they move aside. In fact the so called capitalists we have will hamstring competitors rather than produce better products. In your world capitalists win by being the best, in fact they have many ways of getting money. Many of these are nothing to do with supplying the best service. Altrusim and greed are both human traits, you just happen to be willing to make excuses for greed.
Goobag 1 week ago
@Goobag My point is that socialism is driven by the same greed that capitalism is. People are quick to forget how quickly government can become too powerful so they believe it to be the answer. Your politicians answer to the same capitalists you despise. Those promoting socialism benefit these capitalists by using their goods and services to dish out the socialism. You're just choosing which fat-cat you prefer to further fatten.
RottyB 1 week ago
@RottyB
I understand what you are saying, I don't think the problem is with the idea of socialism. It's with the people that administer it. What you and most people are understandably aggrieved about is the inefficiency in doling out tax money. As wary as you are of politicians(and rightfully so) I am more wary still of capitalists. They are not answerable to the people in any way but help shape policy. A politician still has to worry about keeping his/her constituents happy to some extent.
Goobag 1 week ago
@Goobag There is in essence no difference between a needy person stealing from me directly than having an intermediary i.e. the government steal it from me. Government robs me of my desire to be charitable by forcing me to do so and then taking all the credit for it. I would even be more persuaded to be bound by law to make a documented donation to the charity of my choice, but having the gov't take it from me and waste over 60% of itj ust trying to get it where it needs to go?
RottyB 1 week ago
@RottyB
I'll also say the line between capitalists and politicians had blurred to the point where there it can be very hard to see the difference. Sickening I know, but some checks and balances are better than none.Government moderation trumps unfettered capitalism.
I also disagree that socialism is driven by greed.It is altruism and is seen in the animal kingdom from chimps to vampire bats.Those that never help anyone else are not helped when they need it.
Goobag 1 week ago
@Goobag also nice subtly placed ad hominem there
RottyB 1 week ago
@RottyB
From my experience of the poor they are not tight fisted, in most countries in fact poor people will share more than they should.Most people don't want to live on handouts.For people on the bottom it is hard to see the way out especially as social mobility has been grinding to a halt in the West.There are a small minority who don't want to work but in a society where everyone does their bit they would be bred out eventually.A fairer society would weed out scroungers.
Goobag 1 week ago
@RottyB
Wasn't meant to be an ad hominem. Greed is a naturally occouring human trait. You can't be selfless all the time but it is a primitive trait that should be held in check if we are ever to progress as a species. I merely said you are more willing to defend this particular trait.
Goobag 1 week ago
@Goobag I am glad you see that my position is not from selfishness we all want the best for our communities we just have different ideas on how to get there. I respect your opinion regardless of how intensely I disagree with it. I believe a utopian society would be quite socialist even borderline communist, but human error is an ever present constant. Though do we not control capitalists through our ability to take our money else where when their evils are revealed?
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Cont 2
As you say, we disagree on things.Let's be honest the chances of changing each other's minds on this issue are minimal, add to that, this is youtube.You can articulate your viewpoint intelligently and without a verbal assault which I respect.
On some matters we have the same opinion (the human race is not of of a very high standard),again I agree we differ on where to go from here. We may be wasting each other's time but respond to any of my comments you found interesting.
Goobag 6 days ago
@Goobag There are few if any complete monopolies around today, and I support anti-trust laws. Do you follow the politics? Legislating in agreement with the constituency is not really the standard. I also know of dozens of people personally that abuse the system. I believe that socialism is great in the microcosm but in the macrocosm it doesn't work there's too much distance between the providers and the receivers for either to really care about the other.
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@Goobag Also is gov't regulation one of those things a big evil company can use against its possible competitors a big company has the funds to adapt to the regulation while smaller ones just cannot afford it. Socialism would work if gov't was more efficient but I dont think that would be good either gov't mainly just robs us of our freedoms and thats one thing that makes me glad they are clumsy stumbling buffons that barely can get anything done.
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Goobag 6 days ago
He has a point, there are stupid lazy hippies running around out there who want a hand out and don't want to work.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Antiks72 The notion that there are "stupid lazy hippies" is not a valid argument. In case you haven't noticed, stupid lazy people espouse all manner of ideologies, and occupy all manner of tax brackets, for that matter.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard Sure dude, but Rogan was talking about a particular group of people. Go down to Berkley, California and you'll see.
Antiks72 3 weeks ago
Rogan, handing down the truth. Love it!
madbradwilson 1 month ago
the "ideal" of socialism is noble enough i guess, but then so is world peace. So, if you jump headlong into the ideal you're gonna get served. Like a kung fu guy in a prison fight
parvojudo1 1 month ago
socialism has never worked. Some socialist states have thrived but the bill comes due fast and the system is revealed. history shows this endlessly
parvojudo1 1 month ago
I love Joe, but his views on socialism is a result of propaganda.
Vilibrato 1 month ago
@Vilibrato or pragmatism
themi90 1 month ago
@themi90 If you knew the actual history, you'd know that to be false. I'd advice you to read some Noam Chomsky, if you want to learn the reality of socialism and its history.
Vilibrato 1 month ago
@Vilibrato I'm familiar with Chomsky. But I still think socialism only works under false pretenses in regards to human nature. "The village cow is always over milked and underfed." If human ever reach a point where that is no longer true I will welcome socialism gladly. Until then I will continue to be very wary of it. Its not based on a hatred or extremist view, for me it really is pragmatism, I am very aware of the problems in capitalism as well, I'm just more tolerant of them
themi90 1 month ago
@themi90 You might be familiar, but have you actually read his books on these matters? I don't think you have, because if you had, you would would know how much rescource has gone into destabalizing socialist societies, and feeding the US society with propaganda at the same time. This propaganda has been going on for about 60 years now, so I understand why so many people fall for it ... we don't know anything else.
But please trust me, humans are better and bigger that this shit.
Vilibrato 1 month ago
Joe is a very bright guy, I'm with him on almost everything, but like a lot of guys his age he's bought into some revisionist history about the 60s, Socialism, etc. The best minds of the 60s/70s counterculture were right about almost everything. War, the rise of corporatism, the trashing of the environment, sexism, racism, on & on. Yeah, lazy people are lazy whether they're hippies or Wall St. swindlers. Lazy's bad..we get it. But when did the Bush family ever break a sweat, the pope, the queen?
pyannaguy 1 month ago
I like this guy better than Corrolla . He makes sense and it isn't just complain,complain complain like a girl.
Moviesandvideo 1 month ago
Rogan is getting wiser
beefking69er 1 month ago
fuck u
colombino66 1 month ago
I can agree with everything except his definition of socialism, because he has the same screwed-up idea of it that most Americans have of it. Socialism is not allowing people to be lazy, and someone else will pay the bills. Socialism is EXACTLY what he described himself to be, everyone working their asses off, everyone pitching in, and when one of us is having a rough time, there's a pot to draw from so that cat can get back on his feet. THAT is true socialism, and it works.
Russebby 1 month ago 3
@Russebby In theory it does and so does Democracy but not one culture has practiced them the way they were designed and it is because they were written as Utopias and thus human nature takes a toll on those ideas but socialism was practiced in a much more fucked up way by the nations that had it than western societies.
EvilDanzig 1 month ago
@Russebby There are no differences in either of those definitions except what actually happens when the theory leaves paper and starts being implemented in a real world society with real people. I agree that if everyone had the right idea socialism would be a beatifull thing, but the reality is that people (now at least) are not going to make it work they are going to exploit it, yhe way they did everything. Remember thst their is no clause against charity in capatalism. People are just greedy
themi90 1 month ago
@Russebby Socialism doesnt work. Its been proved over and over again through out history.
gunbunny13bravo 1 month ago
@gunbunny13bravo Define "socialism". Western Europe is doing just fine blending socialism into their economies.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Russebby ya it works in theory...here is why it doesnt work in a human world. in a human world we are motivated by selfishness and greed. with that premise in mind, which is unfortunately true, socialism does require a central "pot", the pot everyone sends their excess to, that called the "state," the state becomes like a bank for that excess and whoever is in charge of that central pot ultimately reallocated more to themselves than they should under the guise of "public welfare."
h0norebel 1 month ago
@h0norebel Social programs work; social security and medicare have worked fine in the U.S.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Antiks72 You do realize that medicaid and medicare have cost the United States over 900 Billion dollars in debt since their enactment, right? I wouldn't necessarily describe that as "working"... With the way the system is set up, the United States will continue to suffer exponentially increasing debt from the programs, as well as other welfare programs, as the population growth of the United States is slowly down. If you look at population pyramids of our country, this statement holds true.
TheMrVogue 1 month ago
@TheMrVogue Woops, forgot to proof read, capitalization mistakes in there, and I forgot to change slowly to "slowing"... Anyways, I hope we can have a polite and decent debate :)!
TheMrVogue 1 month ago
@TheMrVogue I don't buy it. Nine hundred billion (if what you say is true) is nothing compared to the billions wasted on the Iraq War. Raises taxes on greedy rich fucks to pay for the programs that the people want. Single payer for all would force the insurance industry to lower prices, which would curb costs. Price controls would be nice as well.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Antiks72 I don't agree on the war in Iraq either my good sir, hell, I'm not a fan of wasted tax dollars aswell. I'm not a fan of taxes to be quite frank. That's why I propose that instead of letting the government deal with our money and piss it away through it's bureaucracy, we the people should instead invest in private social programs and charities to avoid the corruption of government. It is money and power that lead to the inefficiency. Take away the power, and it gets a whole lot sweeter.
TheMrVogue 1 month ago
@TheMrVogue Bureaucracy does not require government, nor do state institutions automatically fall prey to it. Any and all large scale institutions, be they state or private, are prone to it. Volunteerism can never meet the scale required to address as wide-scale an epidemic as poverty. Libertarians consistently seek to divest large public structures of their power, under the assumption that large private institutions, unaccountable to the public, will somehow fair better.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@Antiks72 Thus, if it wasn't for the fact that we let big business and big banking get into our politics, then such establishments would actually be of benefit our nation with their assets. Organized Corporate lobbying, and the corporatism that we currently allow our government to subject us to, is the underlying reason for so many of our economic problems. Decentralize government, localize, and deregulate. Maintain a policy of neutrality, and we may just have something on the verge of working!
TheMrVogue 1 month ago
@TheMrVogue You've partially rooted out the problem. It is, in fact, large monied interests that muddy the works when it comes to governance. But the solution is not to simply transfer the responsibility of seeing to the well-being of the people from an overall public institution, to local private institutions devoid of democratic input, then allowing those same large private interests, that you admit are scoundrels, the go ahead to pursue wealth in any manner they deem fit. cont.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard The solution is to get money, effectively, out of the political decision making process. Then, allow citizens to vote on actual policy, rather than simply voting for a representative. Then, since hopefully by now in the evolution of civilization we've all come to the conclusion that democracy is superior, extend that democracy into the industrial sphere: shared ownership of the means of production, whilst still protecting personal property.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@Antiks72 Sorry, I am constantly having trouble fitting all of this text into this box D:, if you would so kindly waive any grammatical error, I'd greatly appreciate it! I meant to write "...would actually be of benefit to our nation with their assets." :o
TheMrVogue 1 month ago
@TheMrVogue Well that explains it. The last thing I'd give the current people who run this country is more money. One thing's for certain: any change must be followed by cleaning house, if you get my drift.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Russebby Example of it working?
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Antiks72 1 month ago
@Russebby socialism works in theory. but i can't remember a socialist system that actually worked out well.
OneWorldGoverment86 1 month ago 6
@OneWorldGoverment86 The world is full of socialist institutions that function well, and have done so in some cases for decades, if not longer. Sweden ranks consistently number 1 in welfare state spending, and was one of the least effected by the Euro crisis. Still going strong. Germany's Universal Health system has been trucking since the days of Bismark. And of course, and example that you hopefully will never have to experience first hand: your local Fire Dpt. cont.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard In truth, there's never been a "Socialist System" that's ever died under the weight of it's own merits and tenets. It's always required interference from outside sources (embargo, sanction, economic sabotage, outright military crackdown). I gather that Rogan's only insight into Socialism has been by way of the anecdotal experiences he relates, rather than real research. I grew up in the South, and have met many lazy, RAGING Capitalists. cont.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard The sad truth is that every ideology has it's bad apples, but interestingly enough, at least as far as the these two camps are concerned, the bad apples tend to be driven by the same agenda: exploitation. The bad apples I've met in the socialist camp (my camp), don't know much about what they support, and only see "free stuff", wrongly, embodied in the term. Capitalist bad apples simply envision a day when they can exploit labor to their own ends.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard The most peculiar aspect of Joe's take here, is that he readily admits that the system is fucked up, but that we're simply meant to "find our own path". Recognizing that a system is "fucked up", then telling people that the only solution isn't to search for a solution at all, but to "find your own path", is simply saying "it's wrong, I know, but shut up and contribute to the madness". It's this sentiment that causes human progress to stagnate.
VintageburstStandard 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard What about Greece?
Amills11 3 weeks ago
@VintageburstStandard lol im from germany myself i think i misunderstood the term"socialism" ...confused it with communism.
OneWorldGoverment86 3 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Yugoslavia. Worked out pretty well until ethnic tensions picked up. Also Czechoslavakia, same thing.
Konform2zoidberg 3 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86
Social democracy is going pretty well in Scandinavia. On most measures for quality of life they are near the top. Plenty of chance to make money there too. There is no true socialist system anywhere, nor has there ever been for that matter.Some countries said they were, they lied.
Goobag 3 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86
Even in theory it doesn't work because in your theory every person must care only for the collective people/species. That is not Human nature. They will say it's a bad thing to be selfish and greedy. Is the Butcher who opens a Shop selfish because he did it to provide for himself and his family?
We as individuals work to increase our standard of living, it naturally benefits everyone else. If you all we be provided for even if don't work, why work?
fishblades 2 weeks ago
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fishblades 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Socialism doesn't work for the majorities, it is a debilitating system to enslave masses. Communism works, that's why it has always been the bait. Communism has always been the bait for the goal of Socialism. And they don't even try to hide it; USSR "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics".
Remember this whenever you hear someone say that 'Communism has already failed'; it never even got a chance. Wasn't intended to. It was supposed to be ideal: bait.
PresAndrewJackson 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Norway.
iJuStEriC 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Denmark bitch.
heroesfan236 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Actual socialism has never been tried anywhere any time in history. Also, it's always going to be a compromise somewhere in the middle between fascism (=Tea Party "Libertarian" ideal) and socialism.
Pastor9764 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 France's system works really well. It's a public private system, which means private non-profit companies administer government services. The only reason the French system is having trouble now is because of a huge influx of immigration. The most successful governmental systems are a mix of private and public sectors - including our system. Social Security was created because old people were dying in their homes. Now they're not. Socialism isn't bad or good. It's a system.
fatouche99 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 That depends how you define socialism. Pure socialism aka Marxism, Communism never works. But other forms as social (capitalistic) democracy, social conservatism, National Socialism, fascism do work. And function more or less as promised. But you will not agree with this if you have liberalistic or libertarian, anarchistic viewpoint.
Carpediem8110101 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 because they make a deal of : The People get every need equally paid for (house, education, job) in exchange for freedom, voice and power. That is not a good deal for innovation and progress, so the economy will always tank because youth incentive for participation with a authoritarian government is low and out of disrespect the people begin to rob their own government, causing further decline.
elsemerian 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Every person wants to be admired and understood, and socialism neither admires you for your individuality; instead own your talent, or seeks to hear anything you have to say. It is similar to a relationship between a battered wife and domineering husband, who provides every monetary need with no deep appreciation or respect, and that kind of relationship can never coexist in harmony and will eventually end in chaos.
elsemerian 2 weeks ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 germany,uk,sweden,australia,japan,canada,the united states,etc.stop hearing socialist and thinking communist.
osp80 1 week ago
@osp80 THANK YOU
jas0n78 1 week ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 works alright in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.
7CATALYST25 1 week ago
@7CATALYST25
hes talking about true socialism, not countries where there are some socialized aspects like post-secondary education or medicine
true socialism is a perfect system. humans arent perfect. You cant apply a perfect system to imperfect subjects. The humans always end up beating their comrade for some extra money because their income is locked in.
im canadian and I love our socialized medicine. I could do with some socialized university too, but true socialism wont work here
asd6787 1 week ago
@asd6787 Glad you can distinguish between the two. A cut above.
7CATALYST25 1 week ago
@asd6787 No, he's talking about socialism across the board. Socialism is a scourge. It's a system for moochers and the weak minded. There is nothing wrong with charity but institutionalized theft masquerading and charity (socialism) is immoral. Socialism gets it's foot in the door with things like education and medical. Cut it off before the cancer grows my friend. ;)
neue01 1 week ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Socialism does not work in theory because the theory itself is built on incorrect premisses about the human animal.
neue01 1 week ago
@OneWorldGoverment86 Its because most systems were based on infinite resources. Almost every system we have now was based on infinite resources. We need a new system. One that makes sense.
alieninventions 1 week ago
@Russebby
There's more to it than that. It's anti-authoritarian and calls for worker self-management. People would work their asses off for each other and ultimately themselves. Even a one man business could fall into this category because it's self-managed.
catbuffalo 1 month ago
@Russebby I can't believe the mileage I got from this one post, positive and negative.
Russebby 1 month ago
agree with this man 100%!
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VVVVVVVVVVVVV all you people arguing on you tube....LoL...waist of time much? come on..
jeffdkillman 1 month ago
@jeffdkillman yea now you are one of them.
thebest129397 1 month ago
@Dusted000 You'll go to any length to insult me, will you? Can't be helped I guess. You seem to be quite a bitter person. You want to end the debate, so this will be my last reply. By the way, I don't hate America, just the direction its headed to, and the people controlling it. Good day.
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
@Dusted000 Wow, just wow lol. You did a background check on me? That is unbelievably low. But it does prove my point. You resort to petty insults based on my weight and interests, shows that you're desperate to get under my skin. Not very mature of you. This is YouTube. There's no need to go that far.
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
@DieByTheSword420 Fair enough.
Dusted000 1 month ago
@Dusted000 Lol don't give me that nonsense. Were all homosapiens, and we all live on planet earth. Nationalism, and intolerance keep us from ever uniting. It shouldn't matter what country you're from, what color you are, or any other bullshit like that.
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
@DieByTheSword420 You claim to understand Homosapians. Yet you posit that it is possible for everyone on planet Earth to "unite." This absolutely utopian/idiotic thought process proves you have no understanding of human nature whatsoever. But that is only the beginning of your issues. Trust me, the fact that you're fat, unattractive, hairy as shit, and obsessed with cartoons, has NOTHING to do with the fact you're single.
Dusted000 1 month ago
@Dusted000
Well, I never said I understood homosapiens, though I do suppose I have a pretty good understanding of them. Humans like to feel superior to other humans, so they brag about things like wealth, looks, and how much better their country is than another's. Kinda like you. First I see you on here bragging about how much better America is than somebody else's country, then during our argument you went as far as doing a background check on me for the sole purpose of putting me down.
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
@DieByTheSword420 And I only bragged about America because some Norweigian fuck was trashing it first. You may dislike America as well, thats your right. But as I said in my last comment. We're done here. you win, I lose. You, in your long life understand all there is to know about what people want and what is possible. Take Care, Actually don't. I don't care.
Dusted000 1 month ago
@Dusted000
You're a dipshit, and an ignorant one at that. You assume that i'm single based off of my appearance and my YouTube favorites, when you know nothing of my personal life. But let's go back to our debate about nationalism. Sure, a nation uniting together to overthrow tyranny IS indeed a beautiful thing, but wouldn't it be even more beautiful for humanity to unite together to evolve as a species? It's been a dream of mine for a long time, like other people such as Carl Sagan and Bill H
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
@DieByTheSword420 I think we are done here. You allege to be a fan of the Enlightenment. Seems to me that you need to read some more Adam Smith and John Locke. Throw some Edmund Burke in there as well. Human nature is what it is my friend. Either we can accept that, be realistic and try to create the most humane society possible, within reason. Or we can pretend history doesn't matter, throw caution to the wind and attempt to remake humanity in our likeness. You're not original
Dusted000 1 month ago
@Dusted000
It's been a dream of mine for a long time, like other people such as Carl Sagan and Bill Hicks. It does seem impossible, but I still have some faith left. As soon as people discard intolerance, nationalism, religion, and other things like that, we will be able to evolve as a species and possibly explore the cosmos. Like I said, it's only a dream.
DieByTheSword420 1 month ago
Fuckin' hippies...I remember them the first time around!!! They went to Canada, I went to Viet Nam! And before somebody calls me a conservative douchebag, I'm a staunch Libertarian and a BIG Ron Paul supporter....
MadTarnsman 1 month ago
As a hippie I gotta agree with this guy on the fact that there are definitely people like this that give a lot a of bad vibes to these kinds of movements, but in my experience usually these are the people in these groups that get ostracized fairly fast. Nobody likes a mooch, even if you are a hippie.
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Vote4RonPaulLiberty 1 month ago
Pearl Street in Boulder is not representative of "hippies," IMO... "Just fucking figure it out"...easy for you to say, rich boy.
tvswnet 1 month ago
@tvswnet It's not like he inherited his money, he figured his shit out
TheDougass 1 month ago
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From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.
Is not a recipe for laziness.
Socialism does not entail an abrogation of responsibility.It also has very little to do with Hippies.Joe if you happen to read this one day...Well all I can say is,you don't even have an elementary grasp of what classical Marxist philosophy is.It's not surprising very few Americans (even educated ones) do.Now,there's a reason for that.1% leech off everybody,far more than hippies ever knew how to.
069fid 1 month ago
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069fid 1 month ago
The universe as it relates to conscious life can be understood now. It is the ultimate truth; the truth that will transform mankind and the world. If this reaches everyone, it will unite all human beings. It is what we all have in common, and that will never change.
Google 'Truth Contest' and open the entry called 'The Present'. Its the truth you can check for yourself.
jzs1501 1 month ago
Hell yeah! Some people worm their way into the circle. It's not your circle, get with reality!
JBroMarketing 1 month ago
4:14- 4:23 is fucking gold. I suffer from depression and a lot of times I am guilty (hell, maybe ALL the time) of asking someone else to step in and take all the pain away while I sit on my ass and don't even TRY to be positive, social, happy, exercise, eat right, get a hobby, get a job etc, etc, etc. I think I learned something today. If you need help, the first thing you need to do is help yourself...
tpstrat14 1 month ago
@tpstrat14 Nothing like an epiphany!! Depression is a bitch but drugs wont fix it, you have to. Use this as something to motivate you and say fuck the knock backs you had and will get, it's a part of life. New year, new start, new you!! Go and get it!!
celticnutjob 1 month ago
Joe Rogan is wrong about thing when he mentions "socialist ideals = lazy" the entire socialist idea is based on work.
sixamsedna 1 month ago 2
@sixamsedna I agree. I was researching a modern day commune called twin oaks and each member has to put in 40 hours a week working on various things like farming or making hammocks or working for the community tofu business. Anyone that claims to be a hippie a stupid though and I agree that people need to find their own way to survive without freeloading.
newrealization12 1 month ago