OVERPOPULATION (Let's Create Awareness)

[watchensee]

We need to have a limit on how much we reproduce!!! I mean really!

[limoboss6242]

@watchensee- No limit necessary, sole purpose on earth is to procreate and reproduce, allowing humanity

to swell and fill the earth. No control, let population swell beyond the earth.

[shairaptor]

I'm educated, and I'm gay. I find girlies unsexy. Who's as intelligent as myself? Stop overpopulate the planet I say! :)

[k0stik7]

People are stupid they think only about sex.

[xXFlameDogXx]

ITWASNT FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES!!!!! IT WAS FOR THE HELL OF IT! Not to mention sexual desire...

[xXFlameDogXx]

HA HA HA HA HAAA!!!!!!! EVENTUALLY MAN LEARNED HOW TO MULTIPLY ITSELF!!!!!

[xXFlameDogXx]

LOL You cannot POSSIBLY talk about this from a religious side of things, because god is a load of bull! There was a LONG time before humans existed, and it was a pretty earth. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN A 60 MILLION YEAR GAP IN TIME FROM THE DINOSAURS TO US IF IN THE BIBLE IT WAS ONLY ONE DAY???

[MichaelPT91]

@xXFlameDogXx There was no 60 million year gap in time.

[keithtetrault123]

I have no faith in humanity at all! I don't see how anybody could. Just look out your window and you tell me why I should have faith in humanity, why anyone should have faith!! People like Protanilist make me have less faith in humanity. Somebody give me 5 good reasons why I should have faith in humanity!!

[justanotherturtle]

Your argument: We need to kill people, because if we don't, people will die.

anyone see how dumb this is?

[pronatalist]

To justanotherturtle:

I wish more people would more readily see how phony and wrong the population phobics are.

What's easier than trying to lie and scheme to "control" the growth of human populations? How about not trying to "control" what must be of God's jurisdiction anyway? It is God who commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, so I say that implies it is then God's determination as to what level God would multiply us to, also implies that God provides the means.

[Apple6128]

The sounds same as VV Cephei on size star comparson (actually the musics same)

[HyperIndividualist]

If overpopulation is real and carrying capacity has been exceeded, how is it possible for population growth to continue? If you believe this is a real problem, the only solution is some form of global totalitarianism as every other solution (wars, famines, plagues, etc.) has failed miserably.

[pronatalist]

To HyperIndividualist:

Those who reject God, or who place nature, God's creation, over the Creator God, and over God's masterpiece of creation Man, don't like to admit that humans are already designed for extremely vast and dense human population density, if ever need be.

Humans, when they aren't too busy sinning, can be among the most kind and docile of creatures to get along with, far more so than a pack of wild animals, and trade and cooperate making very large sheer numbers very possible.

[cpisretartedmuch]

i see your stupid religeous posts on most of these vids talking about "overpopulation"

seriously no1 cares what u say about god!

just cause u believe in god doesn't make it a good idea to reproduse like rabbits idiot!

[pronatalist]

To cpisretartedmuch:

Why is it "surprising" to you, that overpop videos would attract my comments about pop growth being GOOD? Wouldn't they go together, say like a hand and a glove?

For humans to reproduce babies, is a completely natural and proper process, especially for married couples who have been responsible to prepare the family nest to receive and love and provide for their possibly many children.

We don't criticize and allow people to eat, breathe, etc., so why not let babies push out?

[pronatalist]

To HyperIndividualist:

Did you know Paul Ehrlich called "family planning" a FAILURE, in his largely discredited old 1960s population panic era book, The Population Bomb? Why a failure? Because by allowing choice (to not have children) to families and individuals, society is denied any choice in what size population to have. See? The statist population phobics OPPOSE choice. They dictate to us, how many children we will be allowed.

Only solution is global dictatorship? That's NO SOLUTION at all

[StigmataBOB1]

In revelation John describes that the kingdoms of the world will unite to go to war against God, at Armageddon. Why? It is because the creator is coming back to destroy the Demonic spirits. It is the Demonic spirits who want as many people as possible, to use in their fight against the Creator. Demonic Spirits will take possession of mortal bodies in this fight. That is why so many people. So it is Demonic Spirits that want the overpopulation.

[russell7771181]

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[Hanksalot]

Why don't people who really believe that the world is overpopulated all get together at a big party and just kill themselves? Because If they REALLY believe it, they should also believe that their OWN existence is a burden on the eco-system and do the rest of us a favor and top themselves.

They never will tho', will they?

They're more interested in killing those who they consider to be all the "useless" people-the blind, the crippled, the lame, the retarded, the old, the unborn and the poor

[LimitsToGrowth]

Even in the U.S.A. we apparently need more family planning education. Stats for 1987 show

5.4 million pregnancies among American women, about 3.1 million (57 percent) were unintended at the time of conception. Of these, about 1.6 million were aborted

[LimitsToGrowth]

Education is the key.

"In parts of Egypt and India, people believe that men contribute a fully formed foetus; the quality of the womans womb and menstrual blood determines how the foetus develops. Some Asian and African cultures define infertility as womens inability to produce sons. Some societies consider infertile women to have been cursed." (UNFPA 2008).

[cuttlefisch]

A superb video! As a member of the Optimum Population Trust I am right behind you. Overpopulation is the No.1 problem facing the world today. We need to get the awareness of this problem to as many people as possible. Viva abortion!!!! Marie Stopes: feminist heroine!!

[neofeliciano]

yeah!! optimize population! hail hitler!

[mgilbo1]

The population numbers are under-reported by the US gov't. We are near 7.5 billion and adding 80-100 million more per year or roughly 9-12 NYC's a year in population. Every problem were facing today including global warming, deforestatiion, soil erosion, increased diseases, massive storms, inceased earthquake & volcano activity and more are ALL due to overpopulation. Selfish and ignorant people can't understand overpopulation and their babble should be ignored.

[cuttlefisch]

I absolutely agree with you. Pronatalist must be insane, there's no other possible rational explanation. Viva abortion!!!

[pronatalist]

To mgilbo1:

I agree with population undercounting theories that world population could be around 7.5 billion. U.S. politicians can't even balance a budget, often not even their own checkbooks, so why should we trust that government can count populations which may include many births not even officially recorded on paper?

But there's plenty of places that don't have enough people, or could hold lots more people.

Selfish is blocking the natural flow of human life, denying life, spewing untruths

[pronatalist]

Ratio of number of people to available resources. TYPE MISMATCH ERROR. Invalid comparison. Resources not quantifiable in the same way. Nor "fixed" in amount, dependent on human labor and decisions.

"Educate." Now there's a "sacred cow" of the liberal radical Left, to spread their lying anti-people, Big Brother government, propaganda.

What part of "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth," do we not understand? God commands such things, because God knows of the confusion and lies to come.

[missingperson9]

I don't want to live in a "soylent Green" world just because of something your precious book of fairy tales says.Get real.

[pronatalist]

To missingperson9:

Why do you talk as if we had any choice? Not long ago, population was what it was. Now there's so much socialistic, manipulative thinking, that it's so pathetic. People have no concept of freedom anymore?

If you or I don't reproduce, don't you suppose there are billions of people who will still reproduce? More and more people would be glad to live. Married parents willing or open to have children, is reason enough to enlarge population, as the children will be provided for.

[lzardo2003]

there´s one billion people already starving in the world, it needs to be really stupid to think unrestrained growth is of any good to mankind...and, God must be really cruel if it´s the fate he planned to us

[pronatalist]

To lzardo2003:

First of all, I take issue with your figure. I don't believe a billion people are starving. More accurately, most people find or produce food, until times of famine or war, which disrupts their activities

In more developed countries, most people like me, don't want to be bothered with growing our own food, because there's plenty of food out there in markets for people with money

But lack of money, and economic destruction/corruption makes people depend on gardens or food caches

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

80% of the population live on less than $10 a day, that's pretty bad, you in your rich easy to live in country wouldn't exactly accept the fact people are starving as you eat the food theyve grown but cant afford to keep themselves and eat

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

You speak of an economic and political problem, not a "population" problem. Evil politicians and the evil banksters that fund them, steal the people's money with fiat paper currencies designed to lose value, so as to transfer wealth from the people to the government, and in the process, jobs are destroyed, quite many people are excessively left out in the cold with too little economic or trading participation, what else do they have but their children?

They grow own food.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

Ok i know your probably going to think i'm overthinking or misunderstanding, but i find that the "evil (and i agree with you 110% there) politicians are the ones that steal all the things needed for these poor people, but i can only look at it is that because of them takign recources like any other wildly "predators" would the other people no longer have the recourses, thus still being overpopulated because of them politicians, any living thing reaches overpopulation so we would be eventualy

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

What? How can you try to have it both way? Make a decision! Decide what you will believe. If the problem isn't "overpop," then it isn't overpop.

Everybody can't be equally to blame, just for living. Where's the justice or remedy in that?

When I was younger, I was too timid, too serious, didn't know how to play or yell. Dad told me to yell.

I have a similar exercise for you. Repeat after me, no, make that YELL after me:

Obama, some politicians, evil banksters are LIARS!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

i just said, for current situation we are overpopulated, what i said was IF stress the word "IF" we could share all the food and stuff out we wouldn't, live isn't just, it's cruel and unfair. i already said that politicians pm's presidents whatever you call them are liars, but the fact is once you share all recourses out, population will grow even further until it's back to the state it is in, in nature if there is too many they starve until there isnt, humans just use a countries power instead

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice

What theory do they call that? The dismal theory of overpop, or something or other? Nothing does any good, because pop will always overgrow? But humans transcend nature, we aren't just part of nature, so we aren't subject to "carrying capacity." Those evil pop phobic liars claim humans are but mere animals to manipulate. What an insult to God who created us humans in his image!

Don't let them scapegoat pop, for those who oppose the people and their needs/freedom, are LIARS

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

we do however take up space and yes we do have carrying capacity, we can just exceed that many times over any other species, and we don't transcend nature quite yet, also i'd rather leave food and space for otehr animals on the planet not just overtake everything build over all wildlife and kill off teh consuption competition for one species, and now you mention god, that's the wordt arguement you can use in a debate about this, why would god make all those third world children starve for naught

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (round wrap-up):

Humans may already be among the most populous of the large mammals, but there's so many reason why we should be so incredibly numerous.

God commanded us to and caused it.

Humans store up food and resources for later.

Humans are intelligent, social creatures, and pop-efficient.

We should welcome our families to grow naturally, "nearly as many people as possible," because more and more would be glad to live.

Procreation is natural.

Space needed 4 HUMANS.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok your first point, prove god exists and said that, actual proof not jsut a bible extract soem whackpot wrote in his free time, humans storing food doesnt mean we SHOULD populate more, it would mean we COULD, there would still be pplenty of people to socialize with i'm not suggesting decrease it by a huge amount, ok and you cant use "they would be glad to live as an arguement as if they are not born they can't relish in that fact, i'm not pro death or anything -->

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok now lets look at it this way, if you are wrong what would it be like, the wildlife would dissapear even more (we dented the rainforests pretty badly already) people would be starving, crim rates would ensue jsut to get food and water liek africans stealing any valubles, now on the other hand if i am wrong wht then? some people who wern't born can't despise the fact they where not born and there is what? less people around to rape the land

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (2 of 2):

With people naturally growing to be so many, we have to allow/welcome human habitats to grow larger and closer together, so we and all our progeny can somehow fit upon the planet. God provided plenty of resources if we will do the work, but as they say, God is done making land.

Maybe just a few more billions? = a little urban sprawl here and there. Yes, less room for wildlife, but they don't know, don't understand, don't care, and are of lesser value than humans.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok as such a beliver maybe you owe it to god to do as the bible says "care for his other creations" and a few more billions means more than a few urban sprawls, apart from making more megatropali you need a multiplication factor in the food plans, water treatment which is abd as it is in most of the world, and of course you think other animals are of lesser value to humans we evolved liek that any person who gave animal rights over his own died and thus no children as such, just dont kill all

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (2of2):

We probably agree the world is now much too densely/heavily populated, for everybody to live primitive lives like the Amish. Some can, but not all?

Thus we have indoor flush toilets and clean natural gas and electricity for cooking, to make hugely populated cities appear far more comfortable and cleaner

All those technologies we already know, are hugely scalable for whatever dramatic pop increases may yet occur

Plenty of room for babies, not so for wild elephants

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yes you seem to see the concept of living space, how about food? farmland you know.

try giving natural gas to an even larger growing population later, bet it starts to run out.

and great so you want to turn the whole world into an industrial pre-china where everywere is cramped water is dirty and poorness wriddles everywere

so you also want to kill all wildlife and animals, arn't you god's little gift

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (last comment):

There's an overpop theory that we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom. Gee, could the eco-freaks please figure out which to worry us about? Too little or too much food? You would think once in a while, the one worry would cancel out the other worry?

People procreate even in cramped spaces. We are social creatures. Babies were conceived on the Mayflower and in concentration camps.

Better build lots more homes!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

you cleary dont understand overpopulation, defined as "when an organism's recource demand grows above the surrounding capacitence" so yes animal kingdom will grown bigger but then overpop and die down a bit then reoccur, liek waht you want humans to do, i would rather miss out the starving of children though those ideas are exactly whats ames us slightly overpopulated at the current so anyway basis is you want people to fight for survival and food later i dont

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

The world seems pretty much saturated with wildlife. For the world to hold much any more, would require human help. But the world isn't anywhere near full of people, which is a reason why world pop grows and grows.

Human behavior and society is not adequately explained by biology concepts such as "carrying capacity. We humans are not just mere animals, as the evolutionists and atheists so commonly claim.

I understand pop/overpop far better than pop phobics/Malthusians.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

what the hell? if it is saturated why are there these huge scares of land clearing rainforest come from or the fact i can't see any plantlife in cities like new york, also farmland is hardly wildlife if your going to use that excuse it's just a pesticide ridden wasteland with plants, have you ever seen anture or do you assume? the world is full of people i can't go anywere without actualy seeing them, and yes we are just animals, intelligent but not born from dirt god made

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Today's false liberal fascists tell lies, exxagerating issues of land clearing as if the sky was about to fall.

I find it hard to believe there is no plant life in New York city, when most every city has trees and grass.

What means anture?

You can go lots of places without much people, yet you choose to go to the places with people?

Why do you think you have any right to go far away from people? You have a right to live, but not to limit numbers. Let world grow fuller!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

theres pictures if you need to be sheeped along like most people, and no thats the complete opposite of what those liberalists would do, why would they tarish their own recourse supply? they want you to think everything is perfectly fine so they can continue to harvest everything, you need more trees and grass to be sturated, i want pointing out there was no life mearly arguing you thought of natural saturation is dead wrong, those decorationshardly count anyway, so i HAVE to be near someone?

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice

There's pictures? Of what? Pictures of "overpop" don't prove anything at all. Why do pop phobics use some opportunist picture of some crowd at some event or festival, as if it was "overpop?" Most overpop photos, if the people in those photos were asked, would say they choose to be there and it isn't overpop at all

Would you kill people, so as to have more living space upon the planet for yourself? Yes, you HAVE to be near other people, if world was so crowded. But it isn't

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

pictures of natural destruction, keep up, but you want overpop pictures? check cities liek beijing, the human created smog was so bad they had to (you guessed it) "control" the amount of vehicles being used, and no you are the one who wants people to kill each other, we are ok now but you seem to want some baby boom then die of old age lwaving them to fight each otehr for food and water, i'm jsut saying anywere i go there is people and you seem to think we got bags of room

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

I've seen the internet overpop photos. Most are phony, because it's just some event or festival. Yes, some communities are crowded. But it's because everybody wants to live in the same place, or because of much needed land reform, poor people can't get clear title to their land.

It's your own fault, because you never go to "the middle of nowhere. People are attracted to places of people. More places need to have lots of people, because our numbers naturally go on growing.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

i bet that smog alll over the cities isall made up too, and no they live their because its the onyl place they can afford to live, easier money no travel etc, excuse me i LIVE in the middle of nowhere my villiage doesnt even come up on google maps search yet i still see people everywhere, you on the other hand probly not, and why is having more people a good thing? how does it benifit anyone?

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Because there's now so many people in the world, sure we have to be a little careful. Don't litter. More of the people, especially in the huge growing cities, to use indoor flush toilets now, not the old outhouses or the woods. Be considerate of other people, doesn't require draconian attacks against liberty, nor any pop quotas. People can still have their traditionally very large families, in the huge cities or wherever they live.

More people is more people benefiting.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yes it's ok for now, for us first worlders anyway, but havign large families makes it all worse, england hardly has any schooling places left as it is due to immigration and such.

and what if more people need to share out same amount of recourses? doesnt sound very benificial.

i know you think your god will make everyhting ok but i dislike your idealogy to wipe everyhting and turn earth into some human sustaining factory

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

I'm glad you agree that so many people enjoying having large families, is okay for now, but why not complete the idea? Large families help make huge world pop even huger, even more parents in the future, so it must be okay for people to have large families in future also.

Crowded schools are caused by gov monopoly piling kids of entire city into a few buildings. More private schools, Church-schools, home-schools are answer

Pop phobics oppose world as "human feedlot." Why?

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

well because of my silly mother i have no choice but to indulge in the oh so magnificence of a "large" family (sarcasm if you couldn't tell) no i'm tellign you i wouldnt mind it it was just a tad more crowded that wouldnt bother me to that extend but natural destruction food supply water medical care when you need it, no actualy we have more schools being built all teh time albeit muslim only schools get more funding, because humans arn't the only ones living here.

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Huh? How is your mother so silly, for having a large family? That what you were saying? The reasons why people don't bother with artificial unnatural awkward birth control are very UNDERSTANDABLE, and I don't expect parents to make any effort to "control" their sometimes high fertility or birthrates.

Sure, a tad more crowded should be easily doable, even for entire countries.

My pastor says Muslims multiply like rabbits. But we all should!

I'm human so I care about humans.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

because all four and soon to be the fifth child are all pure accidents, actualy birht control is all natural its all hormones that the body produces by itself we just trickt eh female body into thinking it's at the same point in her menstrual cycle, and yes you should see what other things the muslims do, they have plenty of things that subcontineously control their population, stoned if you gay hands cut of for theiving, women have to be clad head from toe, sharia law is there prefered anyway

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

The 4th or 5th child, is worth just as much as the 1st child. Like I said, I do not expect people to use any means of birth control. Let babies come as they come.

Was an old TV commercial that said "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature." I forget what they were trying to sell, but yes, I do accept that as an argument AGAINST "the pill." Let the body achieve REAL pregnancies, don't fool the body.

Muslims rebel against God with false religion, but OBEY in multiplying babies.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yes i agree it's not worthless but not being born doesnt make it a waste, as it never existed, all pregnancies are real, and that would be a crappy life thinking about it, people bond together with sex and not having it in fear of pregnancy, that also damages the mothers body which they are never happy about, refuting your arguement would get you shot down, and no you fool mulims follow a diffrent religeous path, it's diffrent to yours. both flase

[sharkblubber]

Pronatalist is insane, he wants to deny women accesss to contraception and choice in how many children they have. He prefers quantity over quality of life and hasn't read the millenium ecosystem assessments four volumes of peer reviewed papers that state that humans are already living beyond the means of the planet to support them.

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (1 of 2):

I agree with Make love, not war; but that means BABIES, because I reject the rampant contraceptive pushing. Sure, with so many billions in the world, so much breeding material all around, I advocate that people mate very prolifically rather than fight each other, responsibly within stable marriage of course, so that children can be properly cared for.

I can't prove God exists, for YouTube keeps crashing Ff, almost time for me to go somewhere. Thus I must be brief

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

nooo love as in love thy neigbor, not baby making the bible would outright say sex else i belive, and did you know religious people divorce more than non-god belivers, and you dont seem to see go to south africa, see what too amny people does there, with masses comes fighting, and yes but i've heard almsot every stupid theory on god try your best but also have a nice day because i'm not trying to be your enemy

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (1of2):

Love thy neighbor sure, but still marriage and procreation applies. I do not expect people to use any means of "birth control" because it is unnatural, contrary to the natural flow of human life, and contrary to God's commandment to people to multiply. Such commandment should also mean sensible financial planning, avoiding debt, to prepare for prospect of possibly LARGE families from growing naturally

Some religious people are phony or legalistic. Some few divorces

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok now you mention unnaturality great job, ok everyhthing you do is unnatural, farming is unnatural clothes are computers, cars, buildings, medicine the lsit is almost never ending, and who says using contraception means you dont multiply eventualy you can have children jsut becasue youve used contraception before is as bad as not having sex, all those gamete you make that die (assuming your male) every second, and when the bible was hoaxed there wasnt these financial probs so no advice for it

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (1 of 2):

The reasons people have so many children as they do are very good, compelling, and very UNDERSTANDABLE, and I agree with most any that can be cited. Even that "sex feels good."

We have no moral right to "pick and choose" who gets to live and have children, and who doesn't. Hitler pretty well discredited eugenics. We must allow EVERYBODY BREEDS even if that someday means "crowded" planet. But we need mix of natural/artificial techno to go on multiplying naturally.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

who said anyone couldnt have children? china's one child policy would work untill you get desired pop then maintain, and no it's not compelling you seem to want to poisen the earth with the thought, "i'ts ok god will save us" and really, your talkign about morals when you want a crowded planet, and i'm sorry according to the bible most technology would be immoral as is research such as stem cells, because god must have severed soemones spine therefore we are nto alowed to fix it

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (last comment for today?):

Who's trying to rescue every sperm and egg? No, I simply reject the rampant contraceptive pushing, and believe in keeping the door to life open, respecting the body's reproductive rhythms, not fighting the body's natural monthly cycles trying to get pregnant. I believe in neither "birth control" nor pop "control" of humans

Let people enjoy having "all the children God gives." Sex is supposed to be natural, procreative

More and more glad to live!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

in fact mayeb your right, no contraception at all, then sti's can wipe a majority off, would probly work in the way i didnt want it to, suffering you know, so anyway yes if you want a world you all ahve to struggle in because if you can support billions more then even more billions will coem in uncontrollable amounts leaving only a few humans on the planet, some don't enjoy being born into the horrible countries if you could see, thats why they emmigrate to first worlds

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Sorry I couldn't reply anymore on Friday, but I did need to go somewhere.

Most everybody in the world didn't use contraception, until the rebellious "free love" 1960s of "the pill." But in no way has the bewildering array of shoddy, experimental Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, obligated us to use any of them. Still around half the world does not regularly practice "birth control." We don't want to comply, but rather not to fight the natural flow of human life

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

becuase over half the world is too poor to afford them, way mroe than half the world lives in third world the reason is no contraception so they overgrow, condoms can stop disease like aids aswell or do you enjoy seeing such fates? so you happily except anything that you want unattural but argue against anything you dont like

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Not only does every married mother in the world, have a natural, primal, God-given right/duty to welcome "unlimited" babies into the world that she may have, but as more children grow up and the number of women of childbearing age grows ever larger in many regions of the world, they also inherit the basic primal procreative right/duty as well.

What is this obsession humans have with excessive "control" of everything? Let baby booms grow/persist/spread "out of control."

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok she can not give unlimited, not enough eggs or time, and she wouldn't be able to cope bringing them up we just shoulder society to help taht along, you should see some of the irrsponible mothers that hardly have a right to have a child yet do anyway, no you moron if you dont control things it gets out of control as you said, you ever seen anythign get out of control, it is never a good thing, lose control of your car it will crash, lose control of something your carrying you will drop it.

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Satan wants to control everything. Do you agree with letting Satan, or outsiders, or corrupt politicians, control and decide everything? I don't. Many of us freedom-loving patriots just want to be left alone. You can't hardly tie your shoes or take a breath anymore, without getting permission/a permit from gov.

If mothers are irresponsible, tell them to be more responsible. But don't deny life to their children.

Can we control a volcano? Let God "control" some things.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

to be perfectly fair even if magical fairies god and satan were real, satan has less horror stories behind him then god, hey why not slag god off at that he controls everything aswell people belive he sets you fates and purposes, i'm a freedom loving patriot i just like to get things along smoothly, baby booms arn't so good, and your exaggerating a bit there you think your bad look at russia thats a real corrupt government, not liek our ones, no they themselves deny their children by killing em

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Now you are bashing my religious beliefs, because you make so little effort to understand Christianity?

Why aren't baby booms so good? My Church bulletin, a few years ago, said "Our baby pop is growing by leaps and bounds with no end in sight." They seemed to be happy about it.

Russia isn't overpop, and yet housing units are small. Why? Dull uncompetitive socialist economic system. Not much colors. Drab.

Our ancestors accepted babies come when they come. Why can't we?

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

i understand christianity quite well, i have nothing against it, out of the world protestant christianity has to be the best one, belive it or not though religion ahs killed mroe people that youd care to think, yes the people who right church bulletins, i would hardly suspect they can see any flaws in their oh so great gods handiwork, you don't think youd overfill hospitals or create more child mortality rates do you.

and russia is opressed and poor, because our ancestors could afford to do so

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

So what if growing or persisting baby booms overfill the hospitals? Additional birthing clinics could be opened, and maybe it would cheaper/better to explore the advantages of more people homebirthing.

Having babies doesn't raise percentage infant mortality, but rather we are getting so populated, because so many babies are healthy and now grow up to have still more babies.

Russia is poor because of lack of Christianity and communism.

We can afford large families also!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yes because that wouldn't take more natural space, oh wait i forgot that doesn't concern you, really? you care to overthink this, what if hospitals are filled, i doubt new clinics can be opened so quickly, and now what of those babies that when born need medical assistance, they wont be able to recive it unlike normaly because the hospitals have no room hombirths which wouldn't expect it have no equipment and such, and yes becuase christianity help that, take a look at japan no religion there

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Why should it overly concern me? I don't live so much in the "natural" space, as in the city with other people anyway. So what's the difference? Pop phobics want to feign cry over losing something they didn't take time to notice or use anyway?

People depopulated the countryside to move to cities. I think it would be cool for them to move back to countryside, but now at urban densities as there gets to be so many of us.

Baby booms don't grow so "suddenly" as you suggest.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

because you want to kill everythign for your own gain, you about as merciful as your god in retrospect, only in your belifes he actuayl gave the life in the first place you jsut want to undo it, and losing what exactly? we use nature all the time, without it our ultimatly important human race would die, there is no room in the countryside i look to the horizen i jsut see patchwork fields all around me, oh quicker than you suggest though, they can be deadly quick.

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Humans are under no obligation to go against nature and God, to stop babies from coming out of our bodies.

So humans supposedly obey 1 commandment "too well," that of multiplying like God commanded and designed us to? Why can't we obey even 1 commandment?

There's plenty of room for everybody and their progeny, but with now 6.8 billion people and growing, there's not so much room for too many to live too excessively far apart

So what you see people? You attract to people?

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

oh really? everyhting you do now is against nature, and most of the time against god, hey youd still be obeying it youd still need to multiply 2 or 3 times to keep the pop up and third child to replace mortalities, just no as many as you can, noone said stop entirely, and no you got that wrong living apart would still work its just the housing gets closr and closer together untill you got one big unhappy city state

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

I disagree with the rebels against God, who want to rebuild their own Babel utopia that can't possibly work. They reject God, and yet want to build their own false god corrupt idol? New World Order global tyranny?

So I reject "Stop at 2" anti-family, anti-child slogan. Keep the door to life open, have however many children God gives. God has a great purpose for every human life. Not pop "stabilization," but beauty of human race BLOSSOMING in size.

Japan isn't too close.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

they don't the soundly belive after they die for there "righteous" life they get to go to heaven and get something liek 72 virgins, no mention about women as always, hey christianity has been a world tyrant for many years now but i agree id rather have christianity over muslim, albeit i would rather have no religion, fien have those children taken away by god aswell then, not all humans want what you want and youd be on your own eventualy humans dont have a purpose thats wishful thinking

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Yell after me:

9-11 was an inside job!

9-11 was an inside job!

Add almost a slight musical rhythm to it as you yell it out. True reporters from Infowars almost having fun disrupting the DemocRAT Party Convention before tyrant Obama was elected. Somebody cut the cord on their megaphone. But they had more, and within minutes, they were at it again. Watch Extras, Bonus on The Obama Deception DVD.

LIARS! LIARS!

Overpop is a lie!

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

well i wouldn't know, i didn't notice too much about it as in the uk at that age i wasn't watchign news or anything, and i didn't know obama was pushing the concept of overpopulation on people, but check africa that place is overpopulated for its recourses being stolen liek they are

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

Different liars tell different lies. But this much we can know. Obviously not everybody is telling truth, because the contradictions are rampant. Every view can't be true. So in order to have clear minds, we must study diligently, to find who the liars are.

Overpop is a fishy theory, and also still sort of taboo, as overpop doesn't win elections so well with breeding parent voters.

Socialists don't like criticism, reason to CRITICIZE THEM MORE. Socialist theories are false

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

hey religion is as fishy as theories come, full of those contradictions you mentioned. you see of course it's fihy when it's a taboo subject if noone will elect you because they would get the wrong idea thinking you wanted to exterminate the overpop you'd never win the elections, that's why a blind eye is turned to it, people never liek to accept they are wrong and for some reason seem to think making as many people as possible is the best option in life.

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (P.S.):

Religion isn't nearly so fishy as the systems that are bad religion but don't admit to being religion. Radical environmentalism, socialism, atheism.

For babies to push out between their mother's legs, is just as proper and NATURAL as eating or breathing. We see in nature, life spreads, and especially human life is supposed to multiply, for God commanded us to.

Of course so many people love baby-making. Make love, not war. Those liar liberals! Follow through =BABIES

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yes and cruel fact about nature is when there are too many, tehy start to starve untill the weaker ones die off, hey thats natural evolution for you, and for the last time proove religion first then i'll belive the "go forth and multiply" command, i thought humans were above harming themselves and everyhting else but obviously not to advantageous most of the time and destroy everything, who says less population would create war aswell

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (2 of 2):

If there are "too many" people for a region, they can either overspill into surrounding regions that might be made to hold more people, and/or they can explore how best to populate denser and denser. Sci-fi ideas even include vertical cities pop arcologies, to stack more people onto multiple floors not using as much land area.

Let world naturally grow "pregnant" with people. Cities can coelesce to make room for massive enormous pop, as/if necessary

Understanding

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

ok yes but they already did that now look, english went over and did it to america, spread the disease of religion, ok and how unatural are you aiming for, it's about more than verticle houses food energy and other things, if we were ever like your sci-fi your religion would dissapear, why do you want such a huge pop anyway?

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (1 of 1):

I'm much more for the natural traditional human reproduction within marriage, than for "natural" primitive Amish living. We must ADAPT anyway, the huge pop is already here. They say the world has a billion teenagers. Surely you don't think they are so gullible as to be tricked to never have any babies?

Within next few decades, there's no way to prevent surpassing 8 or 9 billion. But we know they are coming and have ample time to keep building

We all like living!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

I'm 17 years old and i want children later, jsut not a huge family like the catholics i see every morning on teh way to school they have 8 children all in preschool, and no we can't "keep" building with all the scares such as global warming people are cutting down on all the industrial times, try making a billion more livign facilities, you won't so it easily,

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (1 of 2)

Author Mary Pride says typical family size without use of awkward "birth control," is 5 or 6 children, evidenced by family size in countries where b.c. is rarely used. Sure, some people have 8 children or more, but unless you marry young and your wife is very fertile, expect maybe 5 or 7 children. Not so many, because children "sneak up" and grow upon us, and we find we love big family life, once it's too late

It's already working out, so relax, let families GROW!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

well if you want to live like that unrestrained then using all teh things like healthcare technology and still have the nerve to say wahts moral or not is wrong, 5 or 6 children is quit high you know multiply your pop add on the parents for a few mor years now divide the new generation by 2 then multiply by 5 or 6 again gets pretty high unrestrained, you want to kill all nature yet in the end natural order will cull all these children you want to be spurting out

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice:

My old Mac flaky, Firefox keeps crashing. So if I can't respond for a while, it's either because of that, or I am busy, or the Feds came and got me for telling too much truth?

So many NWO cabal conspiracy theories underlying the corruption of this world. Fed Reserve System passed in U.S. 1913, to flood the world with paper fiat currency money easy to manipulate, no longer backed by gold. Paper fiat to be paid back with interest, national bankruptcies, =rape their resources

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

yer you see countries liek america require other countries recources to be raped as you say, but america in iteslf doesnt have the agricultural capacity to maintain it's own population 100% and england is even worse, if there not bad enough look at honk kong you get 22.4 people per acre there, but as i said before due to that debt and greedy people taking all the recources countries liek africa ARE to overpopulated to survive on what they have for themselves

[pronatalist]

To PumpkinMelonJuice (round wrap-up):

People don't want to be told how many children they can have. That's not only religious, but a practical issue.

Resource shortages are MANUFACTURING of scarcity, by corrupt govs, bad economics, and LIAR "environmental protections"

With more people coming alive every day, we need more houses, more streets/roads, more cities. The people already want to build all that, for the jobs. Self-solving. But a corrupt evil world robs the money, then stuff not built!

[PumpkinMelonJuice]

I wouldnt want to tell my future child(ren) that someone would stab them for there possesions or do anything to harm them, how is it practical, people already get banned from all sorts in the world having children is one unacceptable thing? either taht or they die more, hey recourses are finate, you peronaly in your comfy house with your electricity wouldn't see it the way others do you take it fro granted youd be living third world when they run out, ok so landscape comes from where?

[pronatalist]

To lzardo2003:

Do you really think I advocate "unrestrained" growth of human populations? I may say that, but technically, I am really for "LIGHTLY restrained" or the LAX restraints I see in the Bible. Get married first and provide for any children that come along.

I do not believe God created humans too fertile, but rather commanded and designed humans to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth

Everything argues for more population. More people to harvest for heaven. Parents want children