Who created God The answer

[AnonyMOUSE1177]

If you accept that God did not have to be created, then you accept that there are things that exist that do not need to be created. This directly conflicts with the premise of intelligent design. If you say that everything that has complexity requires a creator, then so does your god.

[Bowmaj21]

Ya know, someone could repost this video and replace the words "God" with "Flying Spaghetti Monster" and "The Bible" with "The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster".

It's basically the same idea!

[UndeadPyro]

Your answer is a logical fallacy. The ironic thing about your circle example is that you're merely using circular logic instead of linear logic. Circular Logic is always going to fail as an argument because it serves only to reaffirm the fallacy that was initially postulated. The real answer, if you study history and the cultures/mythologies of the world, you'll see that Man created god, and in his own image, not the other way around like you think.

[NLBheating]

@UndeadPyro Yeah, that's what the great deceiver (Satan) would have people believe. It's ironic, how people can put their "faith" into false idols and worship things that are only a product of this evil world. Yet when it comes to walking by faith, faith in Jesus Christ that is, so many people are blind, blind to the truth. We (Christians) walk by faith, not by sight. Faith is a very simple concept, really. It's believing in something that you cannot see. I challenge to read the Bible.

[UndeadPyro]

@NLBheating I have read the bible, cover to cover, several times, each a different version. Faith is the boast of one who is too lazy to investigate. Faith is believing in something you know deep down isn't true. Faith is a self-perpetuating mental illness. To quote Nietzsche, "I have read the bible, and at no point does christianity come into contact with reality or morality." Believing in something you can't see? THAT sounds like the very definition of what it is to live with blindness.

[gklr]

@UndeadPyro,

Faith is any belief held strongly. I have faith that tommorow 1+1=2 will be true, it cannot be proven. Calling faith a mental illness is just funny.

[UndeadPyro]

@gklr You are incorrect. Faith is a belief in that which cannot be proven. It is indeed a mental illness, especially in the religious sense, as the beliefs and behaviors of the religious are that of paranoid schizophrenia. Also, you clearly don't know dick about math, because that entire equation is what proves that 1+1=2.

[gklr]

@UndeadPyro,

All beliefs cannot be proven, that is what makes them beliefs. All beliefs are possibly true and possibly false, none are true or false. No burden of proof exists for any belief. If they are proven, they are not beliefs.

That 1+1=2 is true tommorow is a belief. You apparently have faith in that belief. Nothing is true for tommorow, we only have beliefs for anything about tommorow.

"behaviors of the religious are that of paranoid schizophrenia"

News to the medical world?

[UndeadPyro]

@NLBheating I personally suggest you actually start doing some research, and cast your childish delusion of faith aside to seek the real truth. Its out there, and none of it is in the bible, or in any other mythological text. The only true way to understanding is through investigation and the scientific method of study and trial. "There are none more ignorant or useless than those who seek the answers one their knees with their eyes closed."

[Agentbromsnor]

"God isn't created because he's god" is nót a valid argument.

[onlypeaceindeath]

If I ever meet God i will ask him to chop down a tree without chopping it down. If he can't solve that problem then he is not omnipotent and can't possibly have created the universe.

[pur3o3end]

@onlypeaceindeath

He could just seperate its outside layers.

[onlypeaceindeath]

@pur3o3end He would still bring the tree down. I want him to bring the tree down without actually bring it down. I

[pur3o3end]

@onlypeaceindeath

modify the Earths gravitation so it would float. If it means anything other then that the setence is incorrect, a fallacy. Sort of like "Why isn't my dog a fish? therefore God doesn't exist"

[onlypeaceindeath]

@pur3o3end I just thought if God is omnipotent he could theoretically do the impossible. If he do exist i want to see him bring down a tree without actually doing it. An impossible act that i want to see. And if it floats its not down, it's just hanging in the air. Or maybe create something that is stronger then he/she/it is, witch would also be impossible if he is omnipotent, but if he is omnipotent nothing is impossible hence why God is not omnipotent if he can't do it.

[NLBheating]

@onlypeaceindeath Don't count on meeting God unless your saved. But then in the final day, there Will be the Judgement. if you wait until That day, it will be too late for you. God owes You no proof or explainations. You will have to bow to Him. And trust me, you WILL bow down and beg for forgiveness. I look at it this way. If you try the faith and your right, what did you lose. If you do not get in the faith and We are right, you will have Hell to pay. I have received more than enough proof.

[onlypeaceindeath]

@NLBheating What proof have you recieved? A book, or a sound beating by the local priest?

[NLBheating]

@onlypeaceindeath If you are athiest, you won't know what I am talking about. There is this thing called "prayer" and there is what is called an "answer" to prayer. There are also "miracles" and I have been witness to both, over and over again in my lifetime. There is also that time when the Holy Spirit enters your body for the very first time. There are no doubts, there are no questions. There's only the undescribable, intense feeling of the spirit in you. You have to believe first.

[onlypeaceindeath]

Technically I'm a protestant, but I don't really care if there is a God or not. If there is a God there is, and if there is not a God it wouldn't really bother me either. We live to short lives to really need to bother about such things, and that's why I really don't care about God or Jesus or any other form or religious belief. And sorry if my former comment might have appeared a bit rude, I meant no offense. And those miracles could still be pure luck. How do you tell the difference?

[acamp1995]

He answered a question by saying it doesn't need a question and then tried to support it with verses from the bible.

...Urrrgh... I think some of my brain cells just committed suicide...

[Agentbromsnor]

I know. I never saw a christian that didn't resort to bible-verses as a argument.

[NLBheating]

@Agentbromsnor Have you ever had the nerve to even read the Holy Bible. The truth will set you free. Stop believing everything that the world tells you and brainwashes you into believing and read the good book. I guarantee that you cannot disprove any of it. People have been trying to disprove the Bible and God's precious WORD for over 2,000 years and nobody has come up with Any hard eveidence to prove ANy of it untrue. In fact there is more undeniable proof to the contrary. What if we're right?

[Agentbromsnor]

@NLBheating If Christians are right, I'm going to burn in hell for eternity. My question is, do you feel that I deserve this? Do you think that just because we disagree in our worldview, that I deserve to burn forever? Even if the existence of your god could be 100% certified (which I think it cannot), I would never put my trust into a entity that supports these primitive and violent punishments just because I do not accept the bible to be true based on the lack of evidence.

[NLBheating]

@Agentbromsnor If as a young child or even a young adult, you did something wrong, wouldn't you expect your father to scold you and teach you the right way? Wouldn't your father love you enough to teach you what is Right and how you should live your life to it's fullest in great abundance, how to treat others and love others? Would he not get mad and make you pay the consequences if you defy him, and maybe be more strict if you continue to defy him and ignore his Good teachings?

[Agentbromsnor]

@NLBheating God torturing me forever in a lake of fire is in no way or form on par with my father scolding me for doing something wrong, and I honestly can't believe you are making such a wild comparison. However you want to put it, god's actions are still immoral and he's still a sick and perverted entity for asking such depraved things of his followers like he does in the bible.

[NLBheating]

@Agentbromsnor So, let me ask you this......Who or what do You believe in? Do you believe there is a Heaven? Do you believe there is a Hell? Do you believe there is evil, or Satan, or sin? Do you believe that you were just born out of chance and you were put here on this planet to simply live and then die? Do you believe in the big bang? Do you think all of this universe just came to be out of Nothing? Do you believe in ET's and UFO's? Why are you Here? What's your purpose in this life?

[Agentbromsnor]

@NLBheating I believe in intelligent reason and logic. I don't believe in a heaven, hell, or any devine punishment or revelation because there is simply no proof to substanciate such a claim. Extraordinary claims requires extraodinary evidence. I think the big bang is the best explanation we have for the existence of the universe as we know it, and I don't think it requires a devine explanation. My purpose in life is to live my life to its fullest and make the best of it.

[IjinKaion]

@Agentbromsnor and @NLbheating

Resorting to bible verses that you don`t often read are the ones condoning slavery and adultry and so on, true that you don`t stone people to death anymore, no you resorted to mental stoning by cutting all bonds and excommunicating wich sometimes results in suicide, or if they are yet hardcore even after dispelling, they force themselves to live in a state to wich you believe will make that person go to hell, so it`s not god`s will here, but your desire, not fair.

[111111111plus2]

you didn't answer the question. you simply said that the question doesn't deed an answer. that's not enough for me..

[pur3o3end]

The question was answerd. You didn't watch the video then.

[jerrysaen]

Amen!

[Ryfasol]

God is so powerful it is almost like he doesn't exist, oh.. wait..

[kingkaga898]

No, he's so powerful he dosent NEED a creator.

[Ryfasol]

I'm God. Prove me wrong.

[kingkaga898]

No, you're an athiest. And what kind of reply is that?

[Ryfasol]

I'm not an atheist, I'm totally open to a god existing, but until there's proof other than "faith" I will not. Why would I? I was a devout christian for 6 years straight and now that I don't go and laugh about the idea of religion nothing is different other than I'm free to do whatever I want on Sunday. I think everyone is wrong, we're only human, we can't even pretend to know what we're talking about.

[kingkaga898]

Well I apologize for calling you an athiest. I tend to jump to conclusions a little to fast. But from what I belive that's apart of christianity. Having faith in Jesus Christ and trusting a BOOK when it says that the LORD of all creation sent his only son to us for him to die so that we won't be doomed for eternity in the fires of Hell.

[pur3o3end]

Sure thing, 1 John 2:22 says "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." You denied God existed, so your an anti-christ not God. God is sinless your not.

[Ryfasol]

You can't really use bible scripture to prove someone wrong who doesn't believe the Bible is what it claims to be :P circular logic never wins. Plus, being the anti-christ sounds pretty badass.

[pur3o3end]

lol that was reffering to you saying "im God prove me wrong" by Gods words your not God just answeing your comment.

[Ryfasol]

Well, it's pretty obvious I'm not God and I don't believe I am.

[pur3o3end]

That's all I wanted to hear :) God bless you.

[MrRDuggs]

you can prove the "i'm god prove me wrong scenario even quicker than that"

he exists, therefore, he is not god :p

[ScrapGoldBass]

great vid

[benlardo]

this video means nothing really cuzz no ones right cuzz no ones really knows if there is a god or if there isnt

[pur3o3end]

If I may....

Feredir are you saying the Universe has been eternal?

[Feredir28]

By this logic, we can say the universe did not need a creator.

The law of conservation says energy cannot be CREATED nor destroyed, so not everything in the universe is contingent.

Also, this video shows a fallacy. You cannot say that everything needs a creator, except.... Therefore, this argument fails. Not everything needs a creator.

[Ainesis3]

That is an argument based on error. The video does not say "everything needs a creator" as you assert. The video says that "only created things" need a creator...thereby the argument holds true.

The indirect implication in asking who created God assumes that He is subject to a Creator. He is not because He IS the Creator.

[Feredir28]

They what created the Creator? It has to keep going.

Plus, we weren't "created" we came through natural processes. Clouds may looked created or designed, but they did not have a creator.

The argument in this video "only created things" need a creator does not apply to life.

[Ainesis3]

If the Creator was NOT created, then why would He need a Creator? He would not.

Now, you say that this principle of "only created things needing a Creator" does not apply to life may be a valid argument. What is your evidence for this position?

[Feredir28]

If everything does not need to be created, like God, then who says the universe did not need a creator and came through natural processes like quantum physics.

There is is no evidence in favor that life was created or designed.

[Ainesis3]

Who said "everything does not need to be created like God"? I haven't and neither has the video asserted this.

The premise is that every thing BUT God has need of a Creator. 

You assert that living things need no Creator.

I have asked for your proof that this is so. Do you have any? I am willing to consider your argument.

[saggard]

who is imposing a view on another person?

davo merely pointed out flaws within his argument which he posted on YT

[DavothaRavo123]

The only way to escape the infinate cycle of who created x, is to declare that God was, or just is. I'd like to ask everyone now, which seems more likely? That the universe has always existed, something concurred by Steven Hawking and has a large body of evidence, or that a mysterious entity, excempt from the natural laws of this world and created the universe along with little sentient beings has always existed? I think everyone with a free thinking mind would choose the universe.

[Ayebutkinyedance]

I am not a religious man, nor am I a scientific one.

I have problems believing both theories of how the universe began.

Lets Start with religion since this is a religious video.

"God created Heaven and Earth"

Out of what, he just magically made everything?

The Scientific explaination:

"In the beginning there was nothing"

Which then exploded.

Seriously, What The Fuck?

[pur3o3end]

Well, if you go to God with an open heart He won't turn you away, but that's up to you. Anyway out of thoses 2 theories id say the God one makes more sense atleast something always existed, and if you think about it I could see a bang after all. "and God said let there be light" and Bang! there was light? that could be possible. But yeah if you go to God with an open heart he won't turn you away. Alright Davo/Saggard/Dub start basing away at this comment....

[DavothaRavo123]

' Davo/Saggard/Dub start basing away at this comment.... ' With pleasure. First of all, there are countless theories as to the origin of this universe, none of the scientifc ones involve God because the assumption that there is a God would be so improbable it be regarded as sound. Theories like Smolin's Dawinesque baby-universes in black hole theory and Stephen Hawking's Megaverse theory are examples of the most dominant, because they have the most evidence.

[pur3o3end]

That had nothing to do with what I responded to aye....LOL.......

[DavothaRavo123]

"and God said let there be light" and Bang! there was light? that could be possible." So too could the theory that a magical dwarf that existed outside the natural laws of this universe clapped his hands so hard together that it spawned our universe. Why not? It could be possible. There is no evidence to support it, but hey, thats good enough for God theory right?

[2222554]

pur3o3end: "I could see a bang after all. "and God said let there be light" and Bang! there was light? that could be possible."

Me: And you'd be right... The way I recall it, He spoke and bang! And there was light..He started building all things, that are mentioned in the bible, that way. But before He made light He made the waters...

[DavothaRavo123]

The scientific explanation you have cited is one that has been twisted and manipulated by creationists. There are many explanations for the creation of the universe, and not one of them involves nothing exploding. Some to involve the spontaneous tranisition of nothing into something, and can be argued using the 'snowflake' example, see my video on Aaronk1994.

[Dubhuir]

Your video cracks me up! =)

You are correct, created things do indeed need a creator. Where we disagree is that science says - and has enormous amounts of evidence to prove - that things can be "created" (as you put it) through a natural process that obeys the rules of logic. I challenge you to find me a single thing in the entirety of the cosmos that doesn't obey logic as science determines it, and that is also backed up by evidence. It's pointless invoking the existence of a magical being.

[Ayebutkinyedance]

Ach Leave the kid be, if he wants to believe in God, let him, what harms he doing?

[pur3o3end]

thanks aye.

[DavothaRavo123]

Fuck off aye, the kid is going to live a life of ignorance and intolerance and its pacifists like you that prevent him from seeing the light.

[Ayebutkinyedance]

Why do you care if he's going to "live a life of ignorance and intolerance" its his life, let him live it his way,

[DavothaRavo123]

For the same reason we put people in mental asylums. Im only trying to help him, not punish him for believing in God.

[Ayebutkinyedance]

If he wants help, He'll ask for it

[lolatmyfluffydog]

yeah... stop tryin to shove your views onto other people.

and i wouldnt call it "help" by trying to shove your religious propaganda in his face.

another group of people tried something like that once... do you know what they were called? NAZIS!!!!!!!!!

[lolatmyfluffydog]

listen "davo" or whatever the fuck your name is. i'd much rather hang around with a pasafist than a fucking prude like you.

other people are entitled to their views as well, i was raised catholic, but i have no spesific religious views as long as everyone is good to one another then its all cool... people like you are the ones that start shit between religions.

[DavothaRavo123]

A pacist? You mean the kind of pacifst that starts conversations like 'people like you are the ones that start shit between religions'? Does that sound like pacifist behaviour to you?Other people are entitled to their views, but they shouldnt force it upon others, campaigning to ban abortion or same sex marriages like so many catholics do. And making a child, who is naturaly programmed to accept what they hear, worship and praise a God is to me the same kind of abuse of trust as paedophilia

[lolatmyfluffydog]

ooook.... i didnt say i was a pasafict.

and i dont shove my views into other peoples faces and judge them for not beliving what i belive...

you ovbiously do!

people can bring they're kids up anyway they please if you ask me.

i couldnt give a shit how they raised they're children.

my idea is, try to be good to people and act civil towards people, let them belive what they want unless they start giving you shit for not being one of them... but then again thats just my opinion!

[DavothaRavo123]

You are a catholic but you have no religious views?

[lolatmyfluffydog]

i was "RAISED" catholic... that doesnt mean i cant break away and hold views of my own.

and i dont need some single minded little biggot telling me what i can and cant belive in over a fucking website!

[DavothaRavo123]

'I couldnt give a shit how they raised they're children.'

So you wouldnt give a shit if a child tormented and bullied into believing that there is a place where you will experience incredible pain for eternity if you do not do x, y and z in my opinion consitutes the same degree of child abuse as sexual abuse does, especialy when it comes to the psychological damage that occurs as a result. It is society's responsiblity to prevent child abuse, and you know that.

[DavothaRavo123]

And you, being a breakaway catholic and all, are quite happy to defend this kids belief that evolution does not occur? The catholic church strongly supports the theory of evolution, so you must have broken quite far away.

Don't you agree that if a child is being abused by his parents, something should be done about it? It's not totalitariate, its common sense.

[lolatmyfluffydog]

considering u attempted to link "child abuse" to being raised to belive a particular religion.

i said "i couldnt give a shit how they raise teir kids as long as there is no abuse". now, i dont see why being raised to belive in something your family holds dear to them is considered abuse. though you obviously see something wrong with it... but then again thats your opinion... everyone is entitled to an opionion and i dont appreciate being told mine is wrong for no particular reason.

[saggard]

illogical argument ,

[kingkaga898]

OMG NICE, BIBLE PK THOSE ATHIEST NOOBS

[pur3o3end]

LOL that cracked me up

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

@kingkaga898 athiest noobs? lol, we are smarter than you.

[kingkaga898]

@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7

Mmk, so what you're saying is that beliving humans 'evolved' from mud or some hairy thing makes you smart? We're not pokemon. We don't evolve.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

@kingkaga898 well, not mud, but hairy things is right. things are evolving now u know. its a fact, get over it. look at the other reasons we are here, a magical sky daddy? i think not.