Troy Movie - Extended Part - Achilles, Patroclus & Odysseus

[harpiyon]

an Odyssey movie with modern special effects and Sean Bean as Odysseus

by Zeus, that would be an epic movie

[bettyletita]

Odysseus is my love..Sean Bean...oooohhh..mmmhhhh

[morbentfel]

odysseus is the best hero in all greek mythology

[startingsprinter]

this background music, isn't it from Count of Monte Cristo??!!@@

[Giancarlodude]

thats Boromir of Lord of the rings!!!! what is he doing in troy? lol

[SlaveExplosion]

@Giancarlodude What his doing in it? Acting? Maybe? Crazy, I know.

[davecolombia]

cousins! false! Achilles and Patroclus had a pederastic relationship ;) research it people... hollywood will always be hollywood (i.e. the reluctance of conveying verisimilitude). But i still love this movie

[Lhein33]

@davecolombia Probably it's you that has to search some things. Where in the Iliad is said that they had a sexual relationship? Give me a verse.

If you mean the analysises that Plato does in his works, note that some people oftet try to alter some things to fit in their theories. Xenophon e.g. had a different opinion.

But of course your greatest mistake was the reference to a pederastic (not just sexual) relationship. Don't you know that Patroclus was older, how could he be Achilles' eromenos??

[davecolombia]

@Lhein33 well thank you for clearing it up.. so who is the author of the Iliad? Homer right? and if it was him is it true that when he wrote it (that and the Odyssey), it was already centuries old?

[davecolombia]

i apologies for my ignorance...i will do my research next time

[Lhein33]

@davecolombia You don't need to apologise, we make a friendly talk. But be sure that a lot of things have changed through the millenia of history and great attention is needed when you talk about ancient ethics.

There are 2 dangers: generalization (if you think that because classical era Greeks had homo relationship, all the Greeks even of others eras did so) and wrong perception: to think that doing the same act (sex with a man) means the same thing in all ages (today you are homo/bi, then no)

[harpiyon]

@Lhein33 well said. and there´s another danger: ppl watching a movie like "Troy" and then thinking they know the Iliad. they don´t: not only are the fates of some major characters different in the movie than in the Iliad (or in other classic literary writings), but the movie fails to transmit the deeper meaning behind many events & incidents.

but that´s how it is nowadays: ppl watching a movie think they know the classic writings.

[mastigoz]

i love the dramatic zoom in 3:52, modern directors dont use it much.

[AdamBauer85]

@mastigoz I totally agree. I always like that bit, it's a very classic hollywood epic shot.

[Porly62]

Damn, Sean Bean...one of the best genre actors in his generation. (and of course beyond that) :D

[WutangClan4LiF3]

Paris's Dick caused all of that lol ( im greek )

[harpiyon]

I wish they make a new movie about the Odyssey with Sean Bean playing the leading part, he´s such an amazing Odysseus.

And maybe Brian Cox, Brad Pitt & Eric Bana could play again Agamemnon, Achilles & Hector: in Homer´s Odyssey, Odysseus meets them again in Hades, the Greek afterworld.

[dsdgjj]

These people lived thousands of years ago, if at all, it's a bit late to be arguing about their decisions. In any case, the thing to remember when reading mythology is that all the characters are created as symbols for the people who are listening, offering role models to emulate, and villains to avoid acting like. If you treat them superficially as though they were real people (with flaws like the rest of us) you're missing the point of the story.

[katniss2000]

i so want to learn from achilles...he's amazing, fast, strong and charming ^_^ and yes ima girl

[Spyritus]

I wish someone would cast Sean Bean in an Odyssey movie.

It would be brilliant and you all know it.

[donnie86dc]

"This war will never be forgotten".

Ulysses is the best character in that movie. Sean Bean is perfect!

[EudorosFTW]

Man, Sean Bean makes a Bad ass Odysseus. His voice is perfect for the ending scene where he talks about 'Living in the time of Achilles'

[ensarace]

God I love Sean Bean in this scene and we know that as always this is far away from the real greek mythology but hey it is still one of the best movies I've ever seen. :)

[Avenged747]

patroclus would have destroyed paris :D:D:D:D

[hiimmittchel]

damn patroclus got his ass kicked!!

[RoneyFilms]

thats weird. the music used in this scene is from the count of monte cristo, not troy

[RoemerS8]

In the myth Achilles was dressed like a girl as cover because her mother had a really bad feeling about the war (that's also why she dropped him in the styx) eventually Odysseus tricked him but I wanted to see that: Brad Pitt dressed like a girl!!

[PanthereMauV]

Nice fight but Patroclus sounds/looks so much like a HOR. >(

And Achilles' voice sounds better in the french version, me thinks :D

[MeltedDeath]

I'll never fathom why they pick English actors to play greek roles.

But still, this is the best film I've seen based off Greek's History, mythology or not.

[mrchrisdavis09]

It's so childish and pathetic that they made these two "cousins". Can't American audiences deal with homosexuality?

[GosekkkkK]

@mrchrisdavis09 no they cant, because fags arent socially acceptable. get over it

[EudorosFTW]

@mrchrisdavis09 Well, due to uncertainty about Patroclus' family line, it is possible that Achilles and Patroclus are related, though in a very distant way.

[TCal3772]

@mrchrisdavis09 Unfortunately no. America is still pretty homophobic (as as well as other nations).

[assassinofdoom12345]

count of Monte Cristo music?!

[octobermadison]

kinda portrayed achilles as a soft spoken warrior, whereas in mythology, he was always angered by his killings, especially at not killing hector until the fall of troy.

[ProneSniper123]

LOVE THIS movie even though im a boy i still think Brad Pitt is SICK

[LJITLOML]

"you have your sword i have my words"-odysseus hahahaha touche :)

[molgorita19]

wich temple is this exactly? i need its name! first of all is this a tmeple ? plz someone help me !

[nimalakers24]

man i wish i could fight like achillies

[EuterpesBard]

As far as the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus goes, you also have to understand that the language of the time was much more florid than it is now, and people weren't so isolated when it came to physical contact. Men could hug or kiss each other in greeting or friendship and no one thought anything of it, and it certainly didn't make them gay.

[EuterpesBard]

What you have to understand before criticizing Odysseus is that all his mistakes serve as plot devices. Having him accidentally annoy Poseidon makes him a more believable character to the people who would be hearing the story 3-4 thousand years ago, because it mean he's not perfect. As for his infidelity, it serves the same purpose as the stories of Zeus's affairs did; it allows him to live out every ancient Greek man's fantasy of being able to have any woman he wanted. He's not bad, he's human.

[orlandogirl213]

Even if he's human, it doesn't give him a right to diss his wife behind her back. Poor Penelope had no idea how cruel Odysseus was to her. It only makes him a pig. No, he's not perfect. He's terrible. He slaughtered an entire city with no remorse and thought he should be a god. He's disgusting. I don't call him Odysseus the Odious for no reason.

[EuterpesBard]

Yes, he's human, but he's an ancient human. Infidelity was a common thing back then. As the myth goes, Odysseus told Penelope about the women he slept with after he returned to Ithaca, and she thought nothing of it. Since he was king and male, it was almost expected of him. As far as slaughtering an entire city goes, all I can say is, that's war. Specifically, that's ancient war. Victory in battle was measured by the death toll, and the death toll counted everyone, soldiers or not.

[orlandogirl213]

I have read the Odyssey(unfortunately) and Odysseus the Odious never told Penelope he was shagging other women. He's supposed to be desperate to get to his wife, but yet he's shagging goddesses. What a hypocrite.

Slaughtering Troy is not war. Odysseus should've had the common sense to know that. Since he didn't, that proves he's as dumb as I think he is.

[EuterpesBard]

It might depend on the translation you read. They differ from scholar to scholar, but the one I read did mention that he told her.

Slaughtering Troy, while it wasn't pleasant, was war. It happened all the time, and he was by no means the first person to do such things. This is the same era where even small issues were solved by fighting; civilization had not advanced as far as we have now, so it was a more violent time. It doesn't make him good, but if you look closely, no one in myths was good.

[orlandogirl213]

In my book he never told her. War is with soldiers, not civilians. If he was supposed to be as smart as people praised him to be, he would've found a way to defeat Troy w/o bloodshed of civilians or not bothered at all.

I disagree that no one in myths was good. Paris was a good man, so was Hector, Helen, etc.

[EuterpesBard]

Not necessarily. The story of Helen voluntarily running away with Paris was added on after Homer wrote the Iliad. In all likelihood, he kidnapped her. And war, unfortunately, is not just always with soldiers. There are civilian deaths too. I point to events such as the bombing of Dresden, Germany by Allied forces at the end of WWII. It was bloody, it was horrific, and it was tragic, but we won. It doesn't make things like that right, but back in the day, they worked.

[orlandogirl213]

I believe Helen did run away with Paris. Why stay with Menelaus? YUCK. Dresden is not the same. We didn't want to kill civilians but when you're dropping bombs on a city, casualties can't be avoided. The Horse was different. It didn't have to be done. The Trojans weren't the enemy to the Greeks. They just wanted them out of their country. Odysseus willingly slaughtered every Trojan for what? There's no proof of his victory. How would he like it if another army took over Ithica?

[EuterpesBard]

In Homer's story it didn't say anything about how Helen felt about Menelaus. And the bombing of Dresden, for all intents and purposes, was an avoidable act. And the fact that Greece won the war is proof of his victory.

[orlandogirl213]

Didn't say she loved him. She went with Paris and didn't fight. I don't think anyone can hate Paris. We were trying to stop a madman in the bombing of Dresden. It was only with that bombing did he finally fall. Not so with the Trojans. They weren't an enemy to the Greeks. They should've been spared. What I mean is that if the Greeks won the war, where's the proof? I see none. They burned the entire city 4 no reason. That's not so victorious. All it does is make them bloodthirsty devils.

[EuterpesBard]

She didn't fight because the Greeks didn't have a very high view of women; they didn't think they could fight back. As far as Dresden goes, there was no strategical advantage to bombing it to stop Hitler; it was done to demoralize the Germans. Same principle here: since Troy had been conquered, the Greeks were making a show of power to the rest of the world. It was like saying, "Look what we did to them. Try to conquer us if you dare." The proof of victory is mostly in the land they obtained.

[orlandogirl213]

I meant that Helen didn't fight Paris's advances on her. I'm saying that the Dresden caused Hitler's fall. He was the enemy. Not so with the Trojans. The Ancient Greeks just needed someone to bully. They didn't scare anyone. They didn't even take land at Troy because they burned it. That's why I ask how do they prove their victory.

[BabyPyschedelic]

I hate Paris. :D

[glakshmiratan]

you got a great point---"war is the father of all things" - Heraclitus

and in many ways, these myths are bryond good and evil; they were created in freedom, for freedom--they are not shackled like we are with morality and other garbage.

[EuterpesBard]

I wouldn't say they didn't have morality in myths, but theirs was different then our modern morality.

And there was really no military reason to bomb Dresden; it didn't produce many weapons, ammunition, tanks, etc. At the time, it was the center of German culture. By destroying it, the Allies demoralized Germany. Fire-bombing Dresden did not cause Hitler's fall. And they did scare people. Greece remained an independent nation until it was conquered by Rome around 30 BC.

[glakshmiratan]

I don't think you understood what I said--I didn't say Hilter was evil, where did that come from. Have you read Nietzsche? I was just saying what he said, that anicent civilizations embraced "the discipline of great suffering." That to them was more important that a pointless hierarchy called morality.

[EuterpesBard]

I didn't say Hitler was evil (though he was). I have been meaning to read some Nietzsche, and what he said about ancient civilizations is true, but their morality was based on the "discipline of great suffering." Spartan society, for example; the only 2 categories of people who were allowed into "Heaven," were soldiers who died in battle or women who died in childbirth. The morality here was that everything was for the benefit of the state.

[HawkProductions44]

Why would Odysseus tell Penelope whom he slept with. I mean, she's his wife for god's sake. You just don't tell your wife whom you slept with. That's crazy.

[zackhanscom]

achilles buggered petrocolus in the tent numerous times

[TheRealSeanoftheDead]

I love Odysseus. What a tricky bastard. And played by one of my favorite actors as well. Good combination.

[DarthVladious]

i love the fighting style they gave achilles

it looks so fluid

[KCjones707]

the begging song sounds like something the Hans Zimmer would make.

[midnightmeringue]

i know, that's exactly what i was thinking!

[jamesupjimmy]

woooow u are all so mean to Odysseus. maybe he was like that, but read the books by david gemmel of troy, the are just stories, but you may feell a little more light hearted to Odysseus.... ^_^

[HawkProductions44]

I know, these people are being a bit harsh about him. I like Odysseus.

[cefanine]

i really like the colour of the clothes that Achilles is wearing

[NorthEast81]

Why are they sword fight amongst ruins??? Were there ruins in ancient Greece?!! No! It's amazing what Hollywood feeds the American public and still they have no clue :)

[jamesupjimmy]

maybe it was a place that was sacked, and now nobody has rebuilt it and they use it to doss about in??

[Chintmaster23]

this movie is about Achilles and troy and greece and spartttttttttttttttttttttttttt­ttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[AquaRing]

itt we completely fail history

[ReyCazonci]

the movie troy is about the odyssey???

[ares12790]

no its about the Trojan war, but Odysseus as you probably know, fights in the trojan war for the greeks

[fatsackofchron]

the trojan war is in the Iliad, the Odyssey is the sequel to the Iliad. the Odyssey focuses on the adventures of Odysseus (the hero of the trojan war) after the war. greek mythology is so fucking cool you should check it out. the story basically is that the gods of greece placed bets on who would win the war. Poseidons pick was the trojans, when they didnt win he was pissed at Odysseus so he fucks with him for ten years before returning to Ithica.

[orlandogirl213]

One question: how does Odysseus get his own story? He should've died a horrible bloody painful death at Troy and deserved to rot in Hades for all the innocents he killed. Troy was never his enemy. He only thought that way because he was too stupid and wimpy to stand up for his own kingdom. He slaughtered everyone and they never harmed or insulted him. What a moron.

Although, I did read he never got a happy ending. He had a son with Circe and he was killed by said son.

[JC12712]

I think it's because they changed it around so that it looked like he was doing the right thing but really wasnt

[orlandogirl213]

If you are referring to Odysseus the Odious, then he does not do the right thing ever. I'm glad that his illegitimate son killed him. I despise Odysseus the Odious and no character in literature has annoyed me so, not even Rosalie Hale of Twilight.

[mileyhilaryvanessarf]

Why?? Alright, he made a mistake, but he's a genious!!!!! If it weren't him, they would never have won the Trojan War!! The Gods love him, I can't see your point.

[orlandogirl213]

Would a genius use his intelligence to slaughter innocent people? What proof does Odysseus the Odious have of his "victory"? His plan was moronic and you don't win wars like that, I don't care if its Ancient Times or now. The Gods don't love him. Only ones that did were Calypso, Athena and Circe(probably because he slept with 2 of them.) Poseidon hated him and Zeus got pissed for the cattle of the sun incident. He claims he wants to go home but meanwhile he's sleeping around.

[APocketOfTime]

You talk about it like it's so easy. What about the people of Ithaca? Agamemnon was totally happy to slaughter the population of Troy over an affair- doesn't that tell you what he's like? If Odysseus refused, Agamemnon would have attacked Ithaca, and one of two things would happen; either he'd burn the city down and kill or enslave them all, or else he'd replace Odysseus with someone else who would fight for him. A good king has to look out for himself and his own people first, that's his job.

[orlandogirl213]

I just don't like it that Odysseus the Odious is convinced that the Trojans must die. They're not his enemy. He had no reason to make that stupid horse. I think he should've left Troy alone.

[APocketOfTime]

Maybe so. But he didn't have a lot of options. He was a flawed character, just like everyone in the Iliad. Achilles was a spoiled brat, Paris was a womanising coward, Agamemnon was a cruel tyrant. And the gods aren't too awesome either. I feel like Homer was trying to get the point across that war is a nasty business and it brings out the best and (more often) worst in people. It makes it more real, somehow.

[orlandogirl213]

I don't believe Paris was a coward. Homer just wrote him that way for an odd reason. He had the option of NOT burning Troy to the ground, killing men, raping and enslaving women and children, etc. He did it anyway. He's a complete villain.

[APocketOfTime]

Probably the Greek readers were meant to take him as a coward. I don't think it's a coincidence that he was an archer, anyway.

And like I said, he's not a perfect character. We all make choices in life we're not proud of. Being a king, his choices just affect a lot more people. I think of him like I think of all the middle-ranking people in history who had to choose berween options that were all horrible. I can only feel sympathetic to thie situation.

[orlandogirl213]

Yeah, but he didn't have to make up that stupid horse. No good came of it. All it called for was more blood. That's why I don't believe the Greeks won because that's not winning a war. And where's the proof?

Odysseus chose to kill all the Trojans and rape women and enslave children. He shouldn't be sympathized with.

[jamesupjimmy]

yes,. but they were both wrote about 400 years after the trojan war was over. so most of it was incorect..

[harpiyon]

@fatsackofchron this is partly true. the real grudge of Poseidon against Odysseus emerged when Odyssus blinded Polyphemus the Cyclops, a son of Poseidon. Poseidon never liked Odysseus, but from this moment he hated him. and the message of the story: never fuck up with a Sea God when your only way of getting home is by the sea.

but i agree, Greek mythology is very cool and what I like about Odyssus is, he is both a fighter & a thinker. he finds a solution for every problem. he´s a real badass.

[krazybadger78]

@fatsackofchron Oh really, I always thought it was Achilles's mother, the emortal goddess, who cursed Odysseus for recruiting Achilles in the war.

[Lhein33]

@fatsackofchron You are wrong about Poseidon. Poseidon supported fiercely the Greeks in the war. I can give you a lot of quotes from the Iliad where he encourages or even fights alongside the Greeks.

The Greeks after the fall of Troy desecrated a lot of trojan temples, that's why the gods sent them a lot of storms when they were returning to Greece. Poseidon got angy with Odysseus additionally, because he blinded his son, the cyclops Polyphemus.

[Tuomasholic]

it is about the Homer's Iliad ^^

[HidansBabe]

Garrett Hedlund is so hot! Hee hee. (That's Patroclus)

[Leader131]

could you upload the last scene where paris and the trojans escaped please

[dimedizzle]

the zoom in at 3:53 always reminds me of days of our lives

[leslie741202]

I love this music! Could you help me anyone where I find it?

[rogueshdw]

"Nervous?"

"Petrified"

5/5 Classic!!!

[ninananajna]

Please, especially the Briseis/Achilles scenes!

[Jazmin3319]

Ugh! I hate Briseis. She's such an ungrateful bitch in the movie! But Brad Pitt/Achilles is so hot, that it just might make it worth it... ok it does :)

[Animeangel722]

@Jazmin3319 wait, how is Briseis ungrateful? I mean, in her defense, her entire family forgot about her until the last half hour of the movie...

[jcadams303]

@Animeangel722 THEY thought she was DEAD!!! they didn't just forget about her!

[Animeangel722]

@jcadams303 they explicitly said that? Cause I never heard it from them, so I thought they did... well then, i obviously didn't pay attention as much as i should have.

[WutangClan4LiF3]

@Jazmin3319 ahahhaahahhahaahhaah cute and funny comment 

[christinekuli7]

@Jazmin3319 Ungrateful?! Are you kidding me? She's willing to leave her family, home and basically everyone she knows for Achilles, and he responds by *killing* her brother.

[jcadams303]

@christinekuli7 They didn't kill her brother, it was her cousin... and Achilles saved her from all those men that were going to brand and rape her, and even after that, she was acting all self justified and angry at Achilles.

[christinekuli7]

@jcadams303 She had known Achilles for all of 2 hours or something at that point. All she knew about him was that he was the leader of the men who had killed everyone at her temple. Excuse her for not weeping with gratitude...

[FlashGORDONXVFFR]

thx. Could you post all scenes with pat, exspecially their last talk and Achilles reraction on his death?