Can you explain about the origin of the attention on the belly area? In the North-east monks like to do the pu-to practice (nose area). I would like to know about the origin of these methods..
the nose is okay... as long as it is a part of the body... the important thing is to make the correct acknowledgement, so that the clear thought arises. Saying Bud-dho (the Buddha) says nothing about the reality of the experience, and tends to create delusions of enlightenment (since "Buddho" also means "the one who knows"). It is important to see things as they are, not as we would like them to be.
I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the answer. Do you know something about the origin of your style? I know the Budd-ho style was recommended bij adjaan Mun.
My teacher is from Chiang Mai province in Northern Thailand, but the technique spread first in Myanmar under his teacher, the Late Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw.
Sure, it depends on who you ask. If you ask me, there's a difference between calling a spade a spade and calling it a Buddha. The key to mindfulness is sampajanya, or "full and complete knowledge" of the object, which I don't think can arise if one is noting other than what the object actually is. It is worth noting that the Buddha explained diversification - making more of something than it actually is, to be the cause for craving and eventual suffering.
For me, i use the parikama Bu-ddho as an extra guide to guide attention. This means i sometimes say this word very quickly in order to control the attention. In this case i can not use 'breathing in' or a description like that. I understand when you say the more descriptive the better (the way it is) on the other hand: you have to use the brain in order to know if you are doubting, liking or disliking (free thinking..)
Yes, well, if your intention is to control, something like bud-dho would be useful... but you should remember that the Buddha taught us at everything in the world is not self, and that we should not try to control the things inside of ourselves or outside. Vipassana is to understand the three characteristics of impermanence, suffering, and non-self which are inherent in everything we cling to.
I don't understand your "on the other hand". Where does the brain fit in? You use the mind to know.
In the 'Mun-style' there are 2 practices. Samatha and vipassana. The buddho (samatha) practise is to gain calm and develop sati. In the vipassana practise you look at the 5 kandas as being anatta, anicca, dukkha and consisting of the 4 elements.
The brain part: i use your advise during my samatha practise. When i'am too distracted, liking too much or something like that, then i will for instance say...liking, liking.... But recently i was THINKING: what am i feeling/what is happening...so that's where the barin comes in. It was just free thinking which i wrote,,,
So, do you use other methods? Asubha (filthyness) for instance?
It is easy to say that a practice looks at the five khandas, harder to actually do it. I don't use asubha that often... it is only a temporary cure. Most important is to see the three characteristics; this will set you free.
But you are right. My problem is that of wanting to control. If i don't use Buddho along with watching the breath, then i have the tendency to control the breath...
If you don't use Buddho, then use "rising", "falling". What you mean by "I have the tendency to control" is that the breath is not as you would like it. This is the truth of the matter; it is impermanent, unsatisfying and uncontrollable. This is an uncomfortable thing to see, but we must see it. Better than pretending that you can make things always pleasant.
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slpp11 1 year ago
Good advice, thank you. anumothana.
free6006 1 year ago
Can you explain about the origin of the attention on the belly area? In the North-east monks like to do the pu-to practice (nose area). I would like to know about the origin of these methods..
Thanks in advance...crubaa/adjaan
lazariopops 2 years ago
the nose is okay... as long as it is a part of the body... the important thing is to make the correct acknowledgement, so that the clear thought arises. Saying Bud-dho (the Buddha) says nothing about the reality of the experience, and tends to create delusions of enlightenment (since "Buddho" also means "the one who knows"). It is important to see things as they are, not as we would like them to be.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the answer. Do you know something about the origin of your style? I know the Budd-ho style was recommended bij adjaan Mun.
lazariopops 2 years ago
My teacher is from Chiang Mai province in Northern Thailand, but the technique spread first in Myanmar under his teacher, the Late Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
Thank you very much for your answer.
lazariopops 2 years ago
I;ve watched some video's on Venerable Mahasi Sayadaw. Impressive.
Searching threw the internet i found this website which stated 3 methods:
... the monk Mun bhuritatto uses bhudho; the monk Sod Juntasaro uses Samma-Arahung; the way of Mahatart Temple uses Yub-nor- Pong-nor....
Maybe you can add some knowledge concerning these methods?
Thanks in advance...
lazariopops 2 years ago
Happy to help...
Sure, it depends on who you ask. If you ask me, there's a difference between calling a spade a spade and calling it a Buddha. The key to mindfulness is sampajanya, or "full and complete knowledge" of the object, which I don't think can arise if one is noting other than what the object actually is. It is worth noting that the Buddha explained diversification - making more of something than it actually is, to be the cause for craving and eventual suffering.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
For me, i use the parikama Bu-ddho as an extra guide to guide attention. This means i sometimes say this word very quickly in order to control the attention. In this case i can not use 'breathing in' or a description like that. I understand when you say the more descriptive the better (the way it is) on the other hand: you have to use the brain in order to know if you are doubting, liking or disliking (free thinking..)
Do you do body contemplation (5 kandas)?
lazariopops 2 years ago
Yes, well, if your intention is to control, something like bud-dho would be useful... but you should remember that the Buddha taught us at everything in the world is not self, and that we should not try to control the things inside of ourselves or outside. Vipassana is to understand the three characteristics of impermanence, suffering, and non-self which are inherent in everything we cling to.
I don't understand your "on the other hand". Where does the brain fit in? You use the mind to know.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
In the 'Mun-style' there are 2 practices. Samatha and vipassana. The buddho (samatha) practise is to gain calm and develop sati. In the vipassana practise you look at the 5 kandas as being anatta, anicca, dukkha and consisting of the 4 elements.
lazariopops 2 years ago
add to the text below..
The brain part: i use your advise during my samatha practise. When i'am too distracted, liking too much or something like that, then i will for instance say...liking, liking.... But recently i was THINKING: what am i feeling/what is happening...so that's where the barin comes in. It was just free thinking which i wrote,,,
So, do you use other methods? Asubha (filthyness) for instance?
lazariopops 2 years ago
It is easy to say that a practice looks at the five khandas, harder to actually do it. I don't use asubha that often... it is only a temporary cure. Most important is to see the three characteristics; this will set you free.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
But you are right. My problem is that of wanting to control. If i don't use Buddho along with watching the breath, then i have the tendency to control the breath...
Do you have any advise on this?
lazariopops 2 years ago
If you don't use Buddho, then use "rising", "falling". What you mean by "I have the tendency to control" is that the breath is not as you would like it. This is the truth of the matter; it is impermanent, unsatisfying and uncontrollable. This is an uncomfortable thing to see, but we must see it. Better than pretending that you can make things always pleasant.
yuttadhammo 2 years ago
uhh..what? lol
Forsaken593 2 years ago