@soloscriptura1 Romans 1:4-5 John 15:26 Isaiah 48:16-17 John 1:14 Matt. 2:2 Jesus' resurection: Romans 1:4-5 1 Peter 1:3 If Jesus' resurrection was only spiritual, where was his body and why was the rock in front of his tomb moved?
@artistdigital The resurrection of Jesus was a bodily resurrection which is why there is no body today! His spirit reenered his body and he resurrected and came out of the tomb! Praise God our LOrd is living & well today, Christ is KIng!
@soloscriptura1 This has been refuted. A national geographic documentary is dedicated to it. A 1988 carbon-dating study determined that a piece of the shroud was created between A.D. 1260 and 1390. Ever since, the conventional wisdom has been that the shroud, which resides in Turin, Italy, was a medieval fake.
@artistdigital show me where it has been refuted. its not been proven. but show me where it has been refuted. a video, some literature. even wiki saying that the shroud has been refuted please
@artistdigital u have absolutely no knowledge about any of the things u start to argue and talk about today.. That test to which u are referring was wrong and i tell u why.. its because they examined the cloth from a area that was re-woven.. the actual material of the cloth dates back to the time of Christ.. But i know u don't like to hear the truth
@OneBibleOneGod art has been following me about replying to my coment thinking that by replying and having a last word...he is some what victorious about something. its the Islamic way. deceit is drilled into them unfortunatly. they have the opportunity to investigate their religion and to read the bible but out of ignorance and fear they rather pick a verse from the bible thinking that the controversary proves something wrong. atleast he is watching your videos
@artistdigital your video 'bible found in paastine' was a joke produced by channel4 and has been refuted by the letters of Jesus brother james where he call jesus 'my brother and MY LORD'
were waiting for the evidence of the shroud. it looks like you are new to this debating thing
@artistdigital there is where your video aobut the bible in palastine get refuted when you actually read ALL the letters in depth. its rather entertaining how it all makes sence when you do research
@artistdigital ok so you have accepted the video that i sent you. thats good because you keep choping and changing. we know that lord has been used for many different example but not the SAME as the context of the bible
digital...do you acutally have a real concern or.....whats up...whats on your shoulders. tell me what it is thats actually bothering you that you have so many problems with christianty. do you want to leave islam? are you happy in islam?
@artistdigital thanks for the kind thought. im sorry that i dont have all the videos at hand to give to you but...unfortunatly for islam...i belive that God had a son he was Jesus who was also God. he gave us Jesus as a sacrafice for the sins of all mankind and that Jesus Christ is our savious. you are welcome to reject Jesus...but maybe you should also think...turn a blind eye to speculation and have a go at looking at reliable evidences and not specualtion documentaries. Jesus is ETERNAL
@soloscriptura1 Nopes! Read the verse! God covered Moses(pbuh) with His hand(Veil :) ), while showing him(pbuh) a short glimpse of His glory. No eye can grasp His vision, and live. :)
@artistdigital but that doesnt stop the fact that moses spoke directly to God. we know that man can not grasp the might of God. infact the isrelis asked moses for God to send an intemediator and later arrived Jesus who is God speaking directly to us
@soloscriptura1 What are those paintings in the Churches? What comes to your mind when you think of God? The first image? Now, thats the idol.
Jesus(pbuh) was a man, with human short comings. God isn't a man, and would never come to us as a man. You may say that God can do anything, I ask you "Can God lie?" No! Its unGodly for a God to lie or to come to us as a man.
Jesus(pbuh) was a messenger of God to the Bani-Israel.
@artistdigital paintings in the church are man made. but christians do not worship paintings.
Jesus had 2 forms. 100% humand 100% God. your right...a man is not God. but God came to us in his creation. another reason that Gos close to his children. God can not lie nor be a deceiver for those are sins and neither can he trick his creation into beliveing that Jesus died on the cross thus starting christianity.
there is nothing unGodly about God doing good and walking with his creation
@artistdigital So would it be "more Godly" if God would manifest Himself as 1 billion man ? Would that not show His power? What u muslims will probably never understand is that in Christianity God never left His throne.. He never seized to be God.. Even Quran states that Allah was manifested in the fire when he spoke to Moses (Sura 27:7-9)
@artistdigital no Jesus was eternal. he was before and is after. Jesus, spirit and God....are ONE. they are 1 God. God created man.
look. stop talking about Jesus. they quran says that Jesus is eternal. they quran said that Jesus is unique. they quran says that Jesus created birds from nothing. the quran desbribes Allah as the truth, light, alpha and omega just as Jesus did. the quran speaks that Jesus is the only untouched by satan. its simple. that alone is enough for Jesus
@soloscriptura1 Different miracles were given to different prophets. By the way, The Qur'an says that David(pbuh) created birds, and that was when once how was questioning within himself about afterlife.
Jesus(pbuh) was unique, so was Adam(pbuh). :)
God can't die! None can trace the beginning or end of God, in any way, by any means.
@artistdigital adam did not do miracle, raise from the dead, is not a sinner like adam and bla bla bla. really just going around in circles now.
your right God desnt die thats why there is the trinity. the body od Jesus died as a blood atonment form mans sins that adam did but God is eternal and as the spirit of God is the comforter with Jesus who will be with us always Jesus body rose from the dead.
@soloscriptura1 Who was the Prophet, at the time of Jesus(pbuh) to reveal the secrets that was hidden from his ordinary men? Didn't the father reply when Jesus(pbuh) was calling to Him "My God, My God, Have you forsaken me" ?
@artistdigital your not reading the whole context and the other verses to show what Jesus did and said. HE gave his own life. HE decided when it was time. HE knew that he is the sacrifice.
you wanted that God the father boomed down from the clouds and reply to Jesus....just to satisfy you? you have made your choise. as allah said...be with your religion and i be with mine
@soloscriptura1 I was up to say "To you is your way, to me is mine" k
Read the literal translation: The word is "Finaar". These are two words "Fi" and "Naar" Fi in arabic is used for "at".
Qur'an is poetry, and poetry uses, as less words as possible. Read the literal translation, and then the one that had been interpreted, in accordance with Hadith.
@artistdigital There is no begotton.. the correct translation is "unique son" And even if it was begotten.. the Bible says that God is Spirit which means that begotten would have to be taken in a spiritual sense not from a human perspective
Jesus claimed to be son (servant) of God and ur Quran denies that Jesus is a son (servant) of God.. it is ur Quran that got it wrong..
@artistdigital Why is God our Heavenly Father? Because from the beginning in the Bible we can see that God is like a Father to the israelites.. God has relationships with the people and he has covenants.. these are characteristics of a God who is like a Father to His Creation.. YHWH was never a distant God like Allah of islam.. YHWH interacted with the people.. So God being like a Father has to be taken in a spiritual sense.. Everyone who does the will of the Father will be called sons of God
@artistdigital ur Quran rejects the idea that Jesus is begotten in the sense as we humans beget children.. this shows that Quran was inspired by Muhammad because as i said "begotten" is a inaccurate translation because the more accurate one is unique.. So the fact that Quran objects to Jesus being "begotten" proves that Quran is wrong.. Also, no christian believes that Jesus is even begotten in the sense as Quran takes it to mean..
@OneBibleOneGod :) God never speaks in His voice. God is beyond comprehension. His voice is beyond comprehension. God can command your brain cells to produce that sensation. Even with Moses(pbuh), God communicated from behind a veil.
God communicates with a Prophet(man) in three ways: From behind a veil, tthrough a messenger(angel), or through inspiration ie to the heart.
@artistdigital It doesnt change the fact that the God of the Bible has the characteristics of a Father.. and God did manifest Himself several times.. He showed His power and He always interacted with people.. And Moses talked to God
@OneBibleOneGod No we don't call upon God, as father. We have been restricted because people often taken literal meanings from it. Its discouraged.
God sent Moses(pbuh) with laws, to put Bani Israel in order, and they got over strict and insincere. God sent Jesus(pbuh) to inject some love into their rituals/dealings and people started worshiping him.
@OneBibleOneGod :) How would you define "God in a form" ? :) Its Idol!! Idolatry is strictly forbidden in the law of God. According to the theology of the Bible, everyone led by the Spirit is the son of God. Now, like some Christians interpreted, something similar like it literally, they may think of it in a similar way, even momentarily. Those moments are moments of greatest sin.
If you strictly define that everyone led by spirit of God is the son of God, no problem but avoid it is better!
@artistdigital to worship a stone, painting, building is idolitory. it can be smashed. Jesus defeated death and claimed to be the resurection. thats not idolitory
@OneBibleOneGod Nopes! The Qur'an doesn't say that God manifested in fire. There is no manifestation of God. God, in the Qur'an says that He called Moses(pbuh) from behind a tree!! :) Even the scriptures of Hinduism, that is know to the world to be Polymorphic religion, idol worshiping and idol crafting is forbidden, and that God doesn't have a manifestation. How can you believe such a thing about Islam?
@artistdigital "When Moses said to his people 'I observe a fire, and will bring you news of it, or I will bring you a flaming brand, that haply you shall warm yourselves.' So, when he came to IT, he was called: 'Blessed is he who is IN the fire, and he who is ABOUT it. Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise. Sura 27:7-9
Sorry but this is what Quran says.. Allah was in the fire..
@soloscriptura1 Allah is a made up pegan Moon God! Muhammad used a Pegan God which was already called Allah by the Pegans of the day! He was no prophet of God!
God doesn't die. God can't die. If God could have been born to a mother, then there would be God The Mother, God the Grandmother... and God the GrandFather, God the Grand Grand Father.
John 3:16 had been a subject to fabrication. The word, I guess,Monogenes, was deliberately translated as "The begotten son". Its cleaned from RSV, and the claim is gone! :) :)
@soloscriptura1 hmm.. As you are not a prophet, right?, what proof do you have from your scriptures? About the begotten son, or Jesus(pbuh) claiming divinity?
@soloscriptura1 “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. ....
Okay! I'm really happy to know that you don't use the word "Begotten". :) and its cool! :) :) :) The word begotten has enormous negativity attached to it.
Lets mark this one settled.
Now, do you believe that Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity?
@artistdigital Allah is distant in many ways.. the best example is that he does not want to be called as Father.. like Jesus called God in the Bible.. and he never even talked directly to Muhammad.. While God did talk directlty to prophets of the Bible..
@soloscriptura1 You believe Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity. hmm.. So do you believe that Jesus(pbuh) didn't come to break the Laws given to Moses(pbuh)?
@artistd Well that passage means only that Allah is close to you but are muslims close to Allah? I dont think so.. Can u as a muslim call Allah as ur Father? And actually have a relationship with Him and talk to Him like Jesus did? Or do u only have to bow ur head 5 times a day on the ground for Him?
So yes Allah is close to you but not the other way around.. in Christianity we become children of God when we follow His commandments and Jesus teachings where as muslims become slaves in islam
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
@soloscriptura1 You claimed that Jesus(pbuh) by himself decided his time of death, right? "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
@artistdigital no its not. an idol is MAN made. like the black stone in the kabbah. the black stone was destroyed and was found in baihran. it was later returned to mecca.
the black stone that muslims kiss is an idol it can be destroyed. Jesus can not be destroyed. he is eternal.
@soloscriptura1 Ah! I'm felling dizzy! Gota sleep! Nice chatting! :) Keep the discussion going! I believe OneBibleOneGod would also get this post, as I'm commenting on his video. :)
:) Read the context. The fire wasn't the manifestation of God, and was neither the being of God. It was to attract Moses. It was cold, so he saw an appearant fire. :)
@artistdigital Ur wrong man, again this is what it says in Sura 27-7-9
"when he came to IT, he was called: 'Blessed is he who IS IN THE FIRE, and he who is ABOUT it."
There is no way around this.. Allah was in his creation according to this verse.. So if Allah can manifest himself in a fire while not having to leave his throne, why can't he manifest in a human while not having to leave his throne?
@artistdigital False.. no one has ever reproduced it.. nor does anyone know how the image was formed because it has unexplainable properties which they cannot explain.. no artist can make it with a dead body u lying muslim.. and no one claimed that either
@artistdigital Well i don't care.. this video is about the shroud of turin and anyone can look up the information about the shroud on internet.. As i said no one has explained it so far how the image was formed nor has anyone answers to the properties of the image in the shroud of turin.. so for u to come here and assert that it is a fake, that someone can make that with a body is quite ridiculous because none of the people that examined the cloth have said anything close to what u said
@OneBibleOneGod "There have now been only two cases of textiles discovered in Jewish burials from this period," said archaeologist Amos Kloner of Bar Ilan University. And both appear to contradict the idea that the Shroud of Turin is from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
As for the analysis of the newfound shroud, the researchers "checked their findings with the best experts, and this textile was found to be different [from the Shroud of Turin],"
@artistdigital So the other shroud was different.. whats ur point? We are not talking about other objects of ancient history.. we are talking about the shroud of turin..
Christians can go choke, religion is the pestilence of the earth.
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@kingofqwerty "Christians can go choke, religion is the pestilence of the earth."
Pure gospel of Professor Dawkins, I presume.
Porphyrygrampus 3 months ago
@kingofqwerty I agree that religion messes with ancient records. But don't you think that's a little harsh to say that about Christians?
divud123 3 days ago
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@divud123 Yes, I wouldn't say something like that today. Still not a fan of religion/religious people though.
kingofqwerty 2 days ago
The shroud is so obviously fake, or do you believe a man from the middle east would make an image like a western man on the cloth?
kingofqwerty 9 months ago
@kingofqwerty Actually he looks rather semitic. Jews are Caucasian, not members of the two other existing races, the African and the Mongoloid.
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ElysianFields100 9 months ago
Oh. My. God. Massive science face palm.
devourerofbabies 10 months ago
ofcourse God can manifest himself without leaving his throne. what .... what person in the right mind thinks that a God....can not.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Romans 1:4-5 John 15:26 Isaiah 48:16-17 John 1:14 Matt. 2:2 Jesus' resurection: Romans 1:4-5 1 Peter 1:3 If Jesus' resurrection was only spiritual, where was his body and why was the rock in front of his tomb moved?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital read the bible and find out
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital The resurrection of Jesus was a bodily resurrection which is why there is no body today! His spirit reenered his body and he resurrected and came out of the tomb! Praise God our LOrd is living & well today, Christ is KIng!
ChristianHamOperator 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod the dean show. lol
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital then allah deceived his 'slaves' into thinking that jesus died on the cross and hence starting christianity.
okay art. it was nice talking.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
Jesus Christ is Real!!
soloscriptura1 1 year ago 3
@soloscriptura1 This has been refuted. A national geographic documentary is dedicated to it. A 1988 carbon-dating study determined that a piece of the shroud was created between A.D. 1260 and 1390. Ever since, the conventional wisdom has been that the shroud, which resides in Turin, Italy, was a medieval fake.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital show me where it has been refuted. its not been proven. but show me where it has been refuted. a video, some literature. even wiki saying that the shroud has been refuted please
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital u have absolutely no knowledge about any of the things u start to argue and talk about today.. That test to which u are referring was wrong and i tell u why.. its because they examined the cloth from a area that was re-woven.. the actual material of the cloth dates back to the time of Christ.. But i know u don't like to hear the truth
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod art has been following me about replying to my coment thinking that by replying and having a last word...he is some what victorious about something. its the Islamic way. deceit is drilled into them unfortunatly. they have the opportunity to investigate their religion and to read the bible but out of ignorance and fear they rather pick a verse from the bible thinking that the controversary proves something wrong. atleast he is watching your videos
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 My victory doesn't is nothing. I'm very humble, down to the ground person. :)
I would send you on another marvelous tour! :)
Youtube "An old Bible found in Palestine"
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital your video 'bible found in paastine' was a joke produced by channel4 and has been refuted by the letters of Jesus brother james where he call jesus 'my brother and MY LORD'
were waiting for the evidence of the shroud. it looks like you are new to this debating thing
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital there is where your video aobut the bible in palastine get refuted when you actually read ALL the letters in depth. its rather entertaining how it all makes sence when you do research
watch?v=5y6UTIyzuDM&feature=related
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 What about "The Lost Gospels" :)
Let google help you in translating the word "Lord". Read all other meanings of the word "Lord", than the Paulistic one! :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital ok so you have accepted the video that i sent you. thats good because you keep choping and changing. we know that lord has been used for many different example but not the SAME as the context of the bible
digital...do you acutally have a real concern or.....whats up...whats on your shoulders. tell me what it is thats actually bothering you that you have so many problems with christianty. do you want to leave islam? are you happy in islam?
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 I'm making you think! :)
My problem with the present day Christianity is:
It accuses God of begetting a son.
It accuses Jesus(pbuh) of claiming divinity.
God is pure. Jesus(pbuh) is innocent. :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital thanks for the kind thought. im sorry that i dont have all the videos at hand to give to you but...unfortunatly for islam...i belive that God had a son he was Jesus who was also God. he gave us Jesus as a sacrafice for the sins of all mankind and that Jesus Christ is our savious. you are welcome to reject Jesus...but maybe you should also think...turn a blind eye to speculation and have a go at looking at reliable evidences and not specualtion documentaries. Jesus is ETERNAL
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Nopes! Read the verse! God covered Moses(pbuh) with His hand(Veil :) ), while showing him(pbuh) a short glimpse of His glory. No eye can grasp His vision, and live. :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital but that doesnt stop the fact that moses spoke directly to God. we know that man can not grasp the might of God. infact the isrelis asked moses for God to send an intemediator and later arrived Jesus who is God speaking directly to us
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Pl. quote from the scriptures! :) God in a form is idol. I have addressed this issue, of how God communicates with man!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 What are those paintings in the Churches? What comes to your mind when you think of God? The first image? Now, thats the idol.
Jesus(pbuh) was a man, with human short comings. God isn't a man, and would never come to us as a man. You may say that God can do anything, I ask you "Can God lie?" No! Its unGodly for a God to lie or to come to us as a man.
Jesus(pbuh) was a messenger of God to the Bani-Israel.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital paintings in the church are man made. but christians do not worship paintings.
Jesus had 2 forms. 100% humand 100% God. your right...a man is not God. but God came to us in his creation. another reason that Gos close to his children. God can not lie nor be a deceiver for those are sins and neither can he trick his creation into beliveing that Jesus died on the cross thus starting christianity.
there is nothing unGodly about God doing good and walking with his creation
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital So would it be "more Godly" if God would manifest Himself as 1 billion man ? Would that not show His power? What u muslims will probably never understand is that in Christianity God never left His throne.. He never seized to be God.. Even Quran states that Allah was manifested in the fire when he spoke to Moses (Sura 27:7-9)
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 What did Jesus(pbuh) say on the cross? Will a God pray to God? or pray to Himself?
If the cross, blood, sins forgiven.. was the main teaching of Jesus(pbuh), won't we find it extensively, in his teachings, Very Very Clearly?
I quoted you the verse, the commandment, that drawing/painting images of God is not allowed in the laws, which Jesus(pbuh) didn't come to break.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital christians dont pray to idols. told you that. Jesus is not an idol. he is not man made.
yes Jesus prayed to God the father. he also spoke to the other criminals pardoning them for their sins because they belived Luke 23:42-43
HE also decided when it was time for him to die John 19:30 and Luke 23:46
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Who created 'man'? Wasn't Jesus(pbuh), created in the Womb of Virgin Marry(pbuh)??
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital no Jesus was eternal. he was before and is after. Jesus, spirit and God....are ONE. they are 1 God. God created man.
look. stop talking about Jesus. they quran says that Jesus is eternal. they quran said that Jesus is unique. they quran says that Jesus created birds from nothing. the quran desbribes Allah as the truth, light, alpha and omega just as Jesus did. the quran speaks that Jesus is the only untouched by satan. its simple. that alone is enough for Jesus
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Different miracles were given to different prophets. By the way, The Qur'an says that David(pbuh) created birds, and that was when once how was questioning within himself about afterlife.
Jesus(pbuh) was unique, so was Adam(pbuh). :)
God can't die! None can trace the beginning or end of God, in any way, by any means.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital adam did not do miracle, raise from the dead, is not a sinner like adam and bla bla bla. really just going around in circles now.
your right God desnt die thats why there is the trinity. the body od Jesus died as a blood atonment form mans sins that adam did but God is eternal and as the spirit of God is the comforter with Jesus who will be with us always Jesus body rose from the dead.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Who was the Prophet, at the time of Jesus(pbuh) to reveal the secrets that was hidden from his ordinary men? Didn't the father reply when Jesus(pbuh) was calling to Him "My God, My God, Have you forsaken me" ?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital your not reading the whole context and the other verses to show what Jesus did and said. HE gave his own life. HE decided when it was time. HE knew that he is the sacrifice.
you wanted that God the father boomed down from the clouds and reply to Jesus....just to satisfy you? you have made your choise. as allah said...be with your religion and i be with mine
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 I was up to say "To you is your way, to me is mine" k
Read the literal translation: The word is "Finaar". These are two words "Fi" and "Naar" Fi in arabic is used for "at".
Qur'an is poetry, and poetry uses, as less words as possible. Read the literal translation, and then the one that had been interpreted, in accordance with Hadith.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital There is no begotton.. the correct translation is "unique son" And even if it was begotten.. the Bible says that God is Spirit which means that begotten would have to be taken in a spiritual sense not from a human perspective
Jesus claimed to be son (servant) of God and ur Quran denies that Jesus is a son (servant) of God.. it is ur Quran that got it wrong..
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod :) So, you don't believe that Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity?
:) What would a father of a child say, if you call him "Hey, begotten son, come here"?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital i gave verses of the divinity. 1bible1god was corecting me but replying to you.
hei begotten son. dont act silly please
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital Why is God our Heavenly Father? Because from the beginning in the Bible we can see that God is like a Father to the israelites.. God has relationships with the people and he has covenants.. these are characteristics of a God who is like a Father to His Creation.. YHWH was never a distant God like Allah of islam.. YHWH interacted with the people.. So God being like a Father has to be taken in a spiritual sense.. Everyone who does the will of the Father will be called sons of God
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@artistdigital ur Quran rejects the idea that Jesus is begotten in the sense as we humans beget children.. this shows that Quran was inspired by Muhammad because as i said "begotten" is a inaccurate translation because the more accurate one is unique.. So the fact that Quran objects to Jesus being "begotten" proves that Quran is wrong.. Also, no christian believes that Jesus is even begotten in the sense as Quran takes it to mean..
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod :) God never speaks in His voice. God is beyond comprehension. His voice is beyond comprehension. God can command your brain cells to produce that sensation. Even with Moses(pbuh), God communicated from behind a veil.
God communicates with a Prophet(man) in three ways: From behind a veil, tthrough a messenger(angel), or through inspiration ie to the heart.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital but God still communicated directly with moses and with us. if god can communicate in 3 ways he can also reveal himself in 3 ways
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital It doesnt change the fact that the God of the Bible has the characteristics of a Father.. and God did manifest Himself several times.. He showed His power and He always interacted with people.. And Moses talked to God
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod No we don't call upon God, as father. We have been restricted because people often taken literal meanings from it. Its discouraged.
God sent Moses(pbuh) with laws, to put Bani Israel in order, and they got over strict and insincere. God sent Jesus(pbuh) to inject some love into their rituals/dealings and people started worshiping him.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod :) How would you define "God in a form" ? :) Its Idol!! Idolatry is strictly forbidden in the law of God. According to the theology of the Bible, everyone led by the Spirit is the son of God. Now, like some Christians interpreted, something similar like it literally, they may think of it in a similar way, even momentarily. Those moments are moments of greatest sin.
If you strictly define that everyone led by spirit of God is the son of God, no problem but avoid it is better!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital to worship a stone, painting, building is idolitory. it can be smashed. Jesus defeated death and claimed to be the resurection. thats not idolitory
christianity does not allow idols
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital To refer to God as Father is not putting Him in a form..
According to Jesus, everyone who does the will of the Father will be called sons of God
Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God"
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod Nopes! The Qur'an doesn't say that God manifested in fire. There is no manifestation of God. God, in the Qur'an says that He called Moses(pbuh) from behind a tree!! :) Even the scriptures of Hinduism, that is know to the world to be Polymorphic religion, idol worshiping and idol crafting is forbidden, and that God doesn't have a manifestation. How can you believe such a thing about Islam?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital it doesn say behind a tree. it says 'from a tree'
who is worshiping idols. let me give you the explination of an idol = An idol is a man-made object that is worshipped in some way
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital "When Moses said to his people 'I observe a fire, and will bring you news of it, or I will bring you a flaming brand, that haply you shall warm yourselves.' So, when he came to IT, he was called: 'Blessed is he who is IN the fire, and he who is ABOUT it. Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise. Sura 27:7-9
Sorry but this is what Quran says.. Allah was in the fire..
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod "...who is at the fire..." :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital moses was at the fire...and allah was in the fire
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Allah is a made up pegan Moon God! Muhammad used a Pegan God which was already called Allah by the Pegans of the day! He was no prophet of God!
ChristianHamOperator 1 year ago 2
@ChristianHamOperator Youtube "A Jew explains why Allah" :)
God doesn't die. God can't die. If God could have been born to a mother, then there would be God The Mother, God the Grandmother... and God the GrandFather, God the Grand Grand Father.
John 3:16 had been a subject to fabrication. The word, I guess,Monogenes, was deliberately translated as "The begotten son". Its cleaned from RSV, and the claim is gone! :) :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@ChristianHamOperator Have you ever studied Isiah 42??
artistdigital 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 hmm.. As you are not a prophet, right?, what proof do you have from your scriptures? About the begotten son, or Jesus(pbuh) claiming divinity?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital firstly you dont need to say pbuh because Jesus is peace.
John 1:1 , John 1:14, Exodus 3:14, John 20:28 + more
onebible1god corrected me
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
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@soloscriptura1 “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. ....
artistdigital 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 ..cont...To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. ” Qur'an 4:171
Everything we see around us is the word of God. Its the Islamic Philosophy. "Be, and it is" The divine order of creation.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital Jesus already created in the quran.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 John 1:14 requires some explanation. "The only son"? The only son that was born from the womb of a mother, without male intervention.
"I AM" means that no matter what you call me, I'm unchangeable, and at this time, this is important, that "I AM" and none else.
John 28:30 is the key. Some unrecorded may would have possibly made its way into the Bible, as well.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital thats right. without male intervention
'i am' mean he that is before abraham. meaning that Jesus is eternal. before and after. alpha and omega
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 No you are wrong. Thats not the reason why the theology of the Bible calls upon God, as father: My response is from the Bible itself:
Romans 8:14
Okay! I'm really happy to know that you don't use the word "Begotten". :) and its cool! :) :) :) The word begotten has enormous negativity attached to it.
Lets mark this one settled.
Now, do you believe that Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Allâh is closer to him (the human) than [his] jugular vein."(Qur'ân 50:16). Who told you that Allah is the distant God? :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital so where is he...is he a spirit? is he close to the vain because it can stop life? where is the logic in being close to my vain?
yes i belive jesus claimed divinity
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@artistdigital Allah is distant in many ways.. the best example is that he does not want to be called as Father.. like Jesus called God in the Bible.. and he never even talked directly to Muhammad.. While God did talk directlty to prophets of the Bible..
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 You believe Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity. hmm.. So do you believe that Jesus(pbuh) didn't come to break the Laws given to Moses(pbuh)?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital lol are you trying to trick me into a snare here art. just come out with it and stop wasting 1bible1gods page
no jesus didnt change the laws
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Close to the Jugular vein means, that He is close to us than our own very self! :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistd Well that passage means only that Allah is close to you but are muslims close to Allah? I dont think so.. Can u as a muslim call Allah as ur Father? And actually have a relationship with Him and talk to Him like Jesus did? Or do u only have to bow ur head 5 times a day on the ground for Him?
So yes Allah is close to you but not the other way around.. in Christianity we become children of God when we follow His commandments and Jesus teachings where as muslims become slaves in islam
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
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@soloscriptura1 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]
artistdigital 1 year ago
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@soloscriptura1 You claimed that Jesus(pbuh) by himself decided his time of death, right? "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]
How do you explain this?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 let me give you the simplest definition:
God in a form is Idol!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital no its not. an idol is MAN made. like the black stone in the kabbah. the black stone was destroyed and was found in baihran. it was later returned to mecca.
the black stone that muslims kiss is an idol it can be destroyed. Jesus can not be destroyed. he is eternal.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 :) Allow me to answer this from most secret Hindu scripture:
"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol etc.
Fix the "Man" either in natural things or the created ones. I leave this to you!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital a table is compleatly different from a human. the table is not eternal. Jesus is. a chair is not Eternal. Jesus is.
a table is man made. Jesus was not
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Ah! I'm felling dizzy! Gota sleep! Nice chatting! :) Keep the discussion going! I believe OneBibleOneGod would also get this post, as I'm commenting on his video. :)
Its gudnite here! ;-)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital lol
:) Read the context. The fire wasn't the manifestation of God, and was neither the being of God. It was to attract Moses. It was cold, so he saw an appearant fire. :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital Ur wrong man, again this is what it says in Sura 27-7-9
"when he came to IT, he was called: 'Blessed is he who IS IN THE FIRE, and he who is ABOUT it."
There is no way around this.. Allah was in his creation according to this verse.. So if Allah can manifest himself in a fire while not having to leave his throne, why can't he manifest in a human while not having to leave his throne?
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Google and download "National.Geographic.Leonardo.the.Man.Behind.the.Shroud"
artistdigital 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod :) I suggest better watch that documentary. It shows how can such an image be painted by an artist. The artist used dead body!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital False.. no one has ever reproduced it.. nor does anyone know how the image was formed because it has unexplainable properties which they cannot explain.. no artist can make it with a dead body u lying muslim.. and no one claimed that either
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod lol
I'm not saying this! I'm referring you to the source. National Geographic has a complete documentary on it. I have watched it! :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital Well i don't care.. this video is about the shroud of turin and anyone can look up the information about the shroud on internet.. As i said no one has explained it so far how the image was formed nor has anyone answers to the properties of the image in the shroud of turin.. so for u to come here and assert that it is a fake, that someone can make that with a body is quite ridiculous because none of the people that examined the cloth have said anything close to what u said
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
@OneBibleOneGod "There have now been only two cases of textiles discovered in Jewish burials from this period," said archaeologist Amos Kloner of Bar Ilan University. And both appear to contradict the idea that the Shroud of Turin is from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
As for the analysis of the newfound shroud, the researchers "checked their findings with the best experts, and this textile was found to be different [from the Shroud of Turin],"
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital So the other shroud was different.. whats ur point? We are not talking about other objects of ancient history.. we are talking about the shroud of turin..
OneBibleOneGod 1 year ago
Islam is a Satanic lie to deceive the world....and it is sad...
NWOogle 1 year ago 3