Wether the relationships plutonic, sexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual, homo-sexual etc. Because this culture does not train people to practice the process of being respectful, rational, honorable, moral etc I don't see polygamy or monogamy as better than either. Instead I see people failing and blaming and pointed fingers at each other. Women are victimized in monogamous relationships ad nauseum, men too are victimized in these mate relationships.
I know very few people if any who have a "happy relationship of any type" based on the comments being made. Happiness cannot be guaranteed by monogamy nor polygamy, happiness is a result of proper diet, exercise, rest, being respected (if you deserver it), justice, lawfullness and so on and so forth. And "this culture" does not install moral practice (not simply dogma) in its populace. So regardless of monogamy or polygamy I see unhealthy relationships period.
I guess none of them have to exercise or take care of themselves....my husband knows I am still gorgeous after 14 years of marriage and hot enough to keep him coming back over and over again....I love being a woman, they don't!
@Maiitreya That would be sick and disgusting and it serves no rational purpose. A woman can not be pregnant by more than one man at a time. Yet 10 women can be pregnant by the same man at the same time.
@SalafeeSpot Having as many children as possible isn't the ultimate goal for all polygamists, lol. Maybe the woman wants more than one husband because one man isn't enough to satisfy her wild sexual appetite?
@Maiitreya More than one husband makes no sense. She can't be pregnant more than once at a time. Plus men can not handle the idea of another man being with his wife. Unless he has something wrong with him.
@SalafeeSpot What does this have to do with pregnancy? Maybe it's about sex. And there are plenty of (sane) men in the world who can handle the thought of their wife sleeping with other men... some even enjoy this and encourage their wives to do so. On what basis do you think its natural for a woman to be okay with sharing her husband but a man not?
@Maiitreya Men and women are created differently and are not equal in ability but are equal in status. Men feel, act, and have different priveledges than women due to our biological nature. A man who enjoys his wife being with another man needs his head to be checked.
@SalafeeSpot I don't know what part of the world you are from, but here in North America men and women enjoy the exact same rights and priveledges. I really don't buy the argument that men are different than women, in fact I believe that the only difference between the genders are our physical makeup. Any differences in psychology are (rightly I believe) attributed to the influence of social constructs.
@SalafeeSpot There have been many well-documented matriarchal cultures throughout history. Within these cultures, women were the heads of their house holds, the dominants, and displayed more aggressive characteristics while the men where submissive to them. Considering that it's possible for either gender to take on 'male-typical' characteristics under the right social conditions, its hard to continue believing that there's any innate psychological difference between the genders.
The Masuo in the Himalayas, the Nagovisi of Bougainvillea in the South Pacific, the Khasi of Meghalaya, India, and the Machinguenga of Peru, to name a few. Won't let me put links here but message me if interested.
I'm definitely not saying all polygamous relationships are this way. I'm just noting that a pedosexual man would seek this choice out for it gives him a foothold to use. In addition, I ask: Why do you refer to God as "it" not He?
Really, I'm sorry if I come across hostile, I just would like to comprehend what could ever possess these women to, by their own free-will, to want to share that which is supposed to be their Earthly foundation with another woman! How does this close jealousy's door?
Why "it", not "He"? Well, first of all, to me it is absurd that a god should have a penis and Y-chromosomes, at least such an abstract type of god as a monotheistic creator god. Polytheistic gods, like in greek mythology, of course, are more prone to be gendered. But still I would call them "it", rather than "he/she". You know, I'm one of those radical feminists, haha. I don't think it is necessary to have gendered pronouns, but instead of creating artifical new gender neutral...
...terms, I use the one we already got, "it". It's a bit confusing and feels a little objectifying at first, but start using it, and you'll soon get used to it. Hungarian, for instance, have no gendered pronouns, they just "it" all persons, no matter their gender. I like that, and try to make it in my language and english :D
Don't worry! I don't mind hostility, I mind only non-communication. I think these women are "brainwashed", growing up in a society, where polygyny is...
...considered good. There are lots of crazy cultures. We are brainwashed, growing up thinking monogamy is a good thing. What possess us to think it is right to deny love? Jealousy is a natural thing when you live a very materialistic life. You know, matter is a scarce resourse, and if someone takes something, it means that that will not be around for you to have it, so egoism is necessary. Love is not materialistc. You give all your love to one person, and there is still more...
...than enough to give to others. In a perfectly polyamorous society, I don't think there will be much jealousy. I don't think these women, and their culture is quite there yet, hell, they haven't even learned gender equality, haha, but they are not about closing the door to jealousy. Theirs is a fight against it, to endure it, that's what makes them tough, after all, they are probably going to be goddesses in the hereafter. I wish they knew they were goddesses already! :D
Well, there is certainly a difference between friends and partners. I do not think that God made the people on this Earth to give themselves, intimately, to more than one man or woman. I am sure of this, even. In the Bible, no verses about marrige and relationships meantion how to keep a healthy relationship between wives. Just between a man's wife. 3) This lifestyle opens doors for pedosexuality because the man now has access to more than one woman. More than one child. ...
2) Why do you think we weren't made to give ourselves to each other, intimately? Even sure of it?
3) Oh? How so? So if you have access to one non-particular, adult woman, the doors to pedosex are closed, but if you have access to two non-particular, adult woman, that is pedosexuality? That I don't understand, really. If a woman can have two or more husbands, is that also opening the doors to pedosexuality? And if a man can have husbands, or a woman wives?
I can see where you are coming from and you have made a few interesting points. 1) On the literal meaning of Genesis: I do believe that there are some things in this book that might not be meant to be taken in the literal sense. However, I do not believe that the creation of man and women are one of them. 2) You say that if God wanted us to do things that we couldn't do with more than one man and one woman, maybe He shouldn't have made so many other people...
1) As I said, even if you take Genesis literally, there might still be "details" that are not mentioned. Maybe the ones who wrote it never thought about just mentioning one of the male characters and one of the female characters would later be used to defend homophobia and monogamy. In my mind you EITHER take things literally, then they don't MEAN stuff, or you take them symbolically, where you can interpret them, didactically.
Polygamy is ok. Love isn't about being with 1 person. Some of these women are so ugly, i'm glad they found someone, and that one man is handling all these ugly women, congrats to him; and thank you.
The real issue here is not so much polygamy as much as people living a life-style from the Old Testament with pre-medieval values in a modern world and the use of religion to elevate men and, essentially, enslave women. What people do in their private lives to be happy really should be their own business, but there is a point when the manipulation by religion becomes abuse of the individual. This is that point.
i am mormon there are 2 types 1 there there has loads of wife and one that aniti this act i am anit this i dnt hang on every word of the good book says and dnt think of weddings but thats me but this documentary makes people think all momons are like thisthey are not
I'm a guy. I'm not a Mormon. I also believe that it's possible to love more than one person at a time. Raising/Watching kids is not just a task for women but also for men.
@kellyannabama I am pretty sure that if a traffic light goes red on you at a four-way stop, you blame Obama. Indeed, the entire marriage question is up for grabs. There is a serious discussion to be had on who can marry whom (like a 17 year-old and a 70 year-old, for instance), but it is not going to be intelligently addressed and resolved with pointless blither about President Obama being Satan's Agent on Earth.
Polygamy doesn't exit in the modern Mormon church, there isn't any evidence of it either!
So why are you people producing such blasphemous TV programs which go directly against revised LDS Church doctrine?!
Just to get more views on YouTube, that makes TLC a troll and a view whore!!
What a shallow, worthless TV show!
You must be very proud of your mindless lies and Satanic blasphemous attempt to destroy the purest Church on Earth, this goes against the teachings of our Holy Founder Joseph Smith!
Actually, I am on the board of these women and I can quite confidently tell you that for the most part, each of them ARE happy. If worshiping a rock makes you happy, you should worship a rock. As for me, I am with these fine ladies that I love and adore. You should contact them if you think they are lying, any of them will take you into their homes and show you how beautiful this lifestyle is when lived correctly.
@Petfal Yes, but did he create several women in the beginning for one man? No, he created the woman for the man not the womEn for the man. (And I'm not saying that the woman should be held at a standard below men)... If God wanted this to be our way of life, don't you think he would have had us start out this way? Besides, this is obviously not healthy! It opens a door for pediophelia and jealousy in the relationship!
I really don't know. Unless you are a creationist, you probably also know that genesis is not necessarily meant literally. Some people think there was actually a bunch of people in the beginning, and Adam and Eve could have been abstract symbols of these, or actual representatives (which would explain how their children could get offspring). It was never said there were no others. If this God wanted us to never do stuff we couldn't do with more than one man and one woman...
...maybe it shouldn't have made so many other people? Or at least it could have said so. Instead it gives us love, which proves polyamory is right, from a religious viewpoint. Is it wrong to have friends? If not, why didn't God make enough people to have friends from the beginning!?
Really? How does having two consenting adult life partners open more doors for pedosexuality than having one consenting adult life partner!? Monogamy opens for jealousy, where you have to get rid...
sweetpea91472, you speak from a position of weakness. Read all you want about poly-folks, but unless you on the inside, its impossible for you or anyon eelse to know anything at all concerning the topic. Besides, not all poly are sick people who marry off children. None of the poly people I know married children despite all the wives I've seen.
If all man were like my husband, there would be no woman on earth trying to excuse their patherick life style, and no man would try to make poly look good, this world would be better if all man were like my husband. Praise God for his life.
Wow, there it is, defending their cult. They drop their sons off at the bus stop, leave them crying, with a bag of clothes. They drive home, leave their husbands and go to a new husband assigned to them, faithfully, their daughters get married off to 60 year old men, and here they are, defending that horse manure life they call holy. holy my behind. They live in constant fear.
There are ways to resolve that problem other than just breaking up polygamous marriages. One thing that would help is that the husband should not be bringing in any other woman unless his 1st wife chooses and wants it. And to go beyond that, the husband should have the first wife help out in picking a potential 2nd wife and ideally that wife should be compatible with the first wife.. This way, both are getting a girl that's good for ALL of the adults in the relationship.
@PolyPride3 Bingo. That's HEALTHY polygamy and a HEALTHY relationship amongst everyone, not this brainwashed fundie bullshit that makes every poly look bad. I'm not a poly, but dammit, I'm a libertarian, and I believe that as long as everyone consents and no one gets hurt, people should be with who they want. These women don't get to consent, and it DOES hurt them emotionally. I wish people, both those involved and those observing, would wake up and see this.
@PolyPride3 Dude, you are trying so hard to make poly look good, you are in almost every poly channel there is, hahahaha.. You wives are just as sick as you, you couldn't have a wife that thinks been a secund wife is not ok, you must be allllll sick in the head.
Yes, I'm trying to show that there are good examples of polygamy and that some of the problems that people bring up can be solved without having to ban polygamy altogether. Nothing wrong with that just as long as I'm doing so reasonably rather than with insulting comments and bashing and with no logic to go by like SOME who are against poly tend to do.
Being 2nd wife does not mean being 2nd rank. In polygamy the interaction is not just about romance between the wife and husband, there's also friendship and social companionship between the wives. If you want to add a bisexual aspect then there can even be sex between the wives and husband also. Women can benefit socially by having an extra women to turn to for help, etc and guys benefit sexually. Everyone can benefit financially w/ the potential of 3 incomes instead of 2.
There's also nothing unfair or immoral about benefits even if to some the guy gets more sex or the women outnumber the man. Everyone is getting what they chose and wanted. The guy is getting more sex and the women may not have cared for more sex and just wanted more of the socializing and extra companionship aspect that can come from 2 women sharing a man. Again, just as long as ALL adults chose their form of poly, then they are all getting what they want.
I was a realtionship with a man who was not only in love with me but another woman...As you can see it didn't work out. Not because I was jealous...but because I didnt know my place as a woman..where did I belong in that relationship? its more than just being married ladies...You can't possibly tell me you are happy when a man brings a younger and prettier lady home to be his next wife...You ladies are seriously brainwashed.
they are victims. they may deny it but they are. they have there hearts rip out daily watching the man they love be in love with 2 other girls. if someone really loves you, you become there everything, not just 1/3
This all depends on what the women is looking for out of a marriage. Not all have the standard for marriage being only a 2 person marriage, some women actually want 3 people and that's for extra companionship. Some women are very social. They enjoy companionship and would not mind being so close with a best friend that she'd actually want to share a marriage with her. So really the woman who want these relationships oftentimes are looking for both a husband AND another wife.
NONE of these women are happy. NONE of them. They can say what they want but when their OLD husband brings home a 16 year old, how the hell can they be happy? I have read extensively about polygamy and the Fundamentalist Mormon cult and NONE of those women are truly happy. LIES!!!
@Sweetpea91472 Who are you to say what makes people happy or not? Are you in their brains? Are you in their minds? Then how can you possibly say whether they're genuinely happy?
@Sweetpea91472 I agree. It really isn't rocket science that men are programed to spread their fucking seed, hell you can learn that from watching porn, you don't have to read the fucked up book of moron. These women most certainly are brainwashed
@Sweetpea91472 First off, you're basing your opinion on what several others do as well, which is the marriage of underage girls to men that could be their fathers, and into marriages they don't want to be in. But several, nearly all Fundamentalist Mormon sects don't believe in this practice. They encourage young women to become educated and well rounded before marrying, and who and when they marry is entirely up to them. I suggest you read more points of view then just what you agree with.
@Sweetpea91472 It's called not having insane jealousy. A man is naturally programmed to want and need more than one woman. Hence why christians, muslims, hindus, buddhists all over the world acknowledge this and don't look down on a man's natural desires. A man wanting another wife is like a woman wanting another necklace.
@SalafeeSpot Just because you are a man yourself you think that all other men in the world think the same way you do? Sorry buddy but I'm not convinced.
I recall interracial and gay relationships being non-mainstream, hopefully those in them aren't brainwashed. There are those who who are okay with poly relationships and not for religiously mandated reasons. I know non-Mormons who are okay with and even living in polygamy. Plenty polygamists children are also okay with monogamy and would not engage in polygamy, watch the show Sister Wives to find that out. HOpefully all these people aren't brainwashed.
I didn't hear any of these women mention having sex with 12 year olds is okay. I also think the word 'brainwash' is thrown around SELFISHLY. Just because someone lives in a different lifestyle than the mainstream does not automatically make them brainwashed. I would only say that if their lifestyle was proven to be wrong beyond a reasonable doubt and people were trying to still teach that it's right.
...''How dare you judge us....'' what the HELL...what you should say: ''how dare you have some old geezer fuck a 12 year old!
Just face it, in order to say it is OK, or it ''your choice'' and say ''it is for us'' you HAVE to be brainwashed....because it is a sick thing to do...let alone the fact that I have no idea how a man could even get hard looking at you heifers....just that inbred Mo' look is scary! I guess, that must be the reason: no other fellow would fuck you!
Government has no ability to control or recognize marriage. Why are we asking them for permission? Lets bring back freedom of religion to this country. Why do we want to control everyone? Government free marriage is the only way to fix this issue. Time to change the argument. Why are we asking the government to control our lives? Why do we want the government to recognize anything? For or against should not be the argument, government free marriage NOW!
The question is not why we ask them for pemission, because there the answer is they secure our rights.
The question is why the government does not give permission. Same sex marriages and polygamy ought to be legal in a perfect society. Freedom of religion is ok, but not freedom of all practices involved therein. But freedom of love should be! The overnment needs to understand this! It has no right denying, but it has all right endowing, and "sanctifying" our relationships!
Freedom of religion? Please, what if some religion believes in raping kids, or killing a certain race. Officiously the law is there in-order to protect us, a man can live with how ever many women he wants, but he can only put 1 person's name down on his marriage certificate.
Live and let live. Get government out of the marriage licensing business period. Anything it can give, it can take away. The way to resolve all marriage issues, whether, gay, polygamist, etc. is to get government out of the process. By supporting the government free marraige movement you support resolution to the angst and problem. Government free marriage now.
I'm sorry but I can't except polygamy :< I try to keep my mind open to these things, but what better way to show that a woman is not important and only a baby making machine then to not be true to her and marry other women. It is immoral and demeaning and I feel bad for those raised in this life style.
@ColMustardseed If you're against polygamy, then don't marry a man with 2 wives. Other than that, let other people decide what's best for them and don't interfere with their personal choices.
Well... if an adult woman CHOOSE a life as a part-time sex toy and a slut, it is up to her. But only monogamy marriages should be allowed, and kids brought up in a such environment should be moved away and taken care of.
It sucks that perverse customs may be accepted because of a religious disguise.
While screwing a lot of girls may seem cool to any man for a while, don't treat it as anything to respect! The perversity is not the screwing itself, but the confirmation of degrading women.
I believe in polygamy. In the unperverted, true polygamy. I think until men stop cheating on their wives, have kids with six different women and not caring for them everyone should just shut up and leave these people alone! If they are happy, healthy and content what business is it of ours anyway? You can't believe everything you hear about them. Not all polygamist are bad and not all non polygamist are right. So lets all be for understanding of each other. They don't tell you how to live.
Yes and when part of your check goes to support the kids of polygamists come back and post. Many polygamists have their wives file as single mothers to collect social services.
Oh, and i guess You believe that it is very healthy in mind, body and soul for a child to have the unbelieveable confusion of all these moms and dad screwing around with all of them like a harem? Jealousies and igorance abound.
Let the adults do what they want, don't drag their children down.
@wwwpower1 And so is sex outside the marriage in many states. Many attorneys will not waste the courts time with this law as our nation (america) has degenerated into a corrupt society.
HUGE court case in Canada right now about Polygamy and how out of hand it got in a small community because MEN turned the other way.
Young girls being trafficked across the border, both to and from the States for Jeff Warrens and Winston Blackmore and all the grudgy perverted OLD men leaching after young nubile bride slaves.
It is a blight and shame and an abuse and sex slave situation for young girls.
Yes i do spend time in the Holy scriptures and if you did too..... you would then discover that their are several passages in scripture where homosexuality is not condoned and referred to as perverse. yet nowhere in scripture dose it look down on polygamy.
Find me where JESUS says MEN can have more than one wife?
The OT is NOT the guide for men and marriage. Nor the guide for living a CHRISTIAN life, otherwise we would still see God apparently telling men to invade other tribes and kill married women and children and take the virgins.
JESUS said that NO one should look at another with lust in their eyes if they are married otherwise they commit adultery.
I don't how or why but ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right even when you study Holy Scriptures and /or history multiple wives have always been a way of life.... it is only modern society that frowns on this.... yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not OK any normal human being can tell you that it is not.
@118100006 if you would study biology you would know that homosexuality is a very common thing in both animals and humans. In certain monkeys it is used as a way of conflict solving. Maybe try to spend less time with holy scriptures and more time in real life :) sincerely, a not like minded woman.
Actually, homosexuality is RARE in the animal kingdom. Very few species or insects are homosexually inclined or a form of androgynous. Why don't you name all the homosexual species in the animal kingdom?
@wwwpower1 Actually homo sexuality is common in the animal kingdom, however mans sin (Adam), brought everything animate/inanimate with him as God gave him dominion over everything and he (Adam) with his sin gave dominion of earth to Satan. Go to your local library or a search on the internet for the list. The bible says that nature groans from the sin placed upon it by Adam. Because of sin so are the many diseases, wars etc...
actually, homosexuality is NOT common in the animal kingdom and does exist in some respects, but NOT at all common.
The ancient bronze age men had to blame something or someone for the natural earth cycles of species, plant, and animal kingdom. Not sure I would blame Adam. But I am very grateful you did not put all the blame on Eve as so many do.
@wwwpower1 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality wwwnews-medicaldotnet/news/2006/10/23/20718dotaspx.. I'm not saying it's right. I am saying it is a fact. This is brought about by mans sin. Eve was deceived and the Bible states that sin entered the world through Adam, this is not my idea or claim but Gods claim. Sometimes when our beliefs meet reality it is a bitter pill. I remember telling someone I did not want to know about wolves as that would destroy my own beliefs about them
As far as - homosexuality is brought about by mans sin? hmm, how about by man just acting like a base animal and not controlling himself.
Men claim that sin came through Adam. God is subjective in this story as it is ancient bronze age men who were suppositioning about creation and God.
Fear comes from the unknown. No one can know God, so men throughout the centuries are trying to figure out the nature of God or how creation really happened.
What we can know is that our lives can be immeasurably improved by following Christ and Christ alone. If we get caught up in all sorts of other idols it does not bode well.
Jesus is quite straightforward and following what he asks is the way.
But how many really know or are doing what JESUS asks.
Note I do NOT refer to Paul for Paul is NOT Jesus.
Jesus says simple rules:
Follow the 10 commandments, Love God first, love neighbour as thyself, feed the poor, tend the sick etc.
It proves the polygamous man is sinful, gluttonous, greedy, selfish, prideful, an adulterer and making many women adulterers, in addition to giving into lusts.
No one can convince healthy people that polygamy is right. It is a HUGE sin and leads many others into that sin.
It harms women. But for any MAN who is brainwashed or ignorant he will not see it.
If the parents are normal..ish, then the kids will grow up to be normal people.
I grew up in a cult, and in that cult, polygamy is OK.
Right after I became an atheist, I kinda rebelled against everything that the cult said, so I'm not saying that polygamy's OK because of my upbringing. But now that I think about it, it's fine.
I grew up in in that cult, and I'm not gonna lie, me and my brothers and sisters have a few issues, but it's not because of the polygamy part.
"me and my brothers and sisters have a few issues"
Just to make things clear, that's not because we were abused, we weren't. It's because of the cult's literature, that kinda influenced us cause we were reading it and thinking it was true at a young age.
So, now we're normal, most of the time, just sometimes, we're kinda antisocial and stuff.
@Eliotcor most yough boys are kicked out becuse of that they are called ''lost boys'' the reson they the called that is not only becuse the are kicked out not also becuse their family are not alowed to see their family.
@akissy, Why don't you ask these women why they broke with the monogamist model? How do you know they are being manipulated any more than anyone else is in our materialistic society? And if you want to reduce their stress then totally recognize their marriage arrangement under law. Why don't you ask Patricia Ireland, former NOW president, if her having a husband and lesbian girlfriend at the same time if she felt exploited. Or is it different for feminists than for traditionalists?
@edwardsson I never received a notification of this comment. XD Sorry. ^^
The stress isn't derived from their marriages not being legal. It's derived from the fact that the husband can and will get a newer "model" whenever it hits his fancy, and the other wife believes she cannot feel jealous or angry, when she has a right to feel so!
I'm a traditionalist, I hate feminism, because it's not real feminism, and I would never be a polygamist. continue...
That the man can and will get newer models isn't because of polygamy, that's because of the man being a jerk. Those jerks are also in our culture, but here they have to ditch the old wife, and then, somehow, we think it is moral. Polygyny is not coool, but polyGAMY is, this is not polygamy. Of course a person in a good relationship has the right to feel whatever it wants/feels like, and the others in the relationship ought to try to fix it, somehow.
@edwardsson ...continue. also, why did you throw in the comparison? People get manipulated all the time outside of polygamy, but polygamy is one of the biggest breeding nests for manipulation and brainwashing. Why? Because they don't have basic human rights. At least in the "outside world" we have human rights and can call the cops if we are being beaten, can say "NO MORE!" and walk away. They can't.
@prom6767 No, I mean respect for their wishes, and their feelings. As I said, they think they don't have the right to feel angry or jealous, they think that they HAVE to have a polygamist marriage to be happy, that it's their duty to shut up and just listen. If they had entered a polygamist marriage because they wanted to,not because their religion tells them to do in order to be saved, then I wouldn't say anything. But many of these women don't know any better, because they aren't allowed.
If polygamy was legal, normal people, that had no other reasons than that to confine themselves away from society, would have the same rights as others. These people are crazy in so many ways that their polygyny is just one factor of. Abuse will get more efficient with polygamy, yes, but there will not be abuse that wouldn't be there in any case.
By the way, the international human rights convention says everyone shall be able to marry whomever they want, which okays polygamy and gay m
@Petfal So because in marriage there's abuse there's no reason why not to legalize polygamy? Oh great! then because there's wife beaters all over the place let's give cheaters and abusers and spouse killers one more way to do their thing, no? It's nothing new and will happen anyways.
And the joke's on you sweetie: those women aren't married they are single mothers. And please, I, being bisexual, take it as an offense if you place gay marriage and polygamy in the same boat.
Since there is abuse in all marriages, monogamous and polygamous, that is no reason for to forbid one and not the other. I'll admit that polygamy will allow for more efficient abuse, especially polygyny, but here the women are in greater numbers, and can unite, if they choose, of course. With true, gender neutral polygamy, I don't think there would be as much abuse. But polygamy would necessarily enable polygyny (unless we make it an exception).
@Petfal SAdly, true, gender neutral polygamy isn't possible with these people. It's in their RELIGIOUS belief. If we were to legalize polygamy we would legalize this people's lifestyle too. Since everybody has a right to pursue their religion of choice there's no way we could say "Hey Mormon! You can't be a polygamist, but you Christian, can be able because you're a bit more gender neutral than the Mormon!" That's one of the reasons, at least in my opinion, not to legalize it. Unfair, but true.
But I'll tell you, these conservative polygynist would be te fiercest opponents to true polygamy (as polygyny is further away from polygamy than monogamy is), and I'm not really sure they would use it at all. Maybe some, but not all of them, some would think it would be to endorse an immorality.
My suggestion would be, until polygyny is gone, have polygamy as an exception. In our country, the legal age for marriage is 18...
...but if a lensman, or something, approves, you can marry at the age of 16 (legal sexual age here), if it finds no reason to deny it. This would be gold for polygamy. There WILL be few polygamous marriages, so it will still be an exception, and then it would be easy to give a reason not to, if the marriage was abusive, or assymmetric in any way.
Nonetheless, I think it is more important to grant the rights to someone that don't abuse it, than to take it away from the abusers.
Therefore, if we legalize polygamy, we would have to improve the laws and the help against marital abuse. This would also benefit abused parties in monogamous marriages. It will happen anyways. Those who want to practice non-legal polygyny or -gamy, -andry or -amory (this would be legal, though), will, and if they want to abuse, they will. Legalizing could help it a little, but mainly the effect would be that polyamory would be more accepted in society, and that is a good thing.
@Petfal As I said, not only improve the laws against abuse, which the government doesn't care about, but we would need to review freedom of religion. And believe me, people will not like it.
I love being the source of laughter and happiness :D
Which women aren't married, but single mothers?
Please don't be offended. That I might take as an offense :D But I won't, I totally understand you. Everything can be put in a boat together. There are differences between homophilia and polyamory, but there are also likenesses. Both "lifestyles" has been shunned, and viewed as immoral in our heteromonogamous world society.
@Petfal But we don't mix religion in the formula...
Polygamist mothers aren't married, they are single mothers living off welfare. So they can't be called married women. o.o So they cannot be placed on the the Human Rights convention. Gays, lesbians and us bisexuals can, because we would marry a single person, which is legal. o.o
They are not married juridically, so there is legal certificates, no marital economical benefits (except if they live collectively, of course), and no laws being broken. But the government is not the only authority for marriage. Some god/church/clergy/congregation might be, for a religious marriage, and something else for those who want that. I think these are married in the eyes they care about, and you can say they are not, in the eyes you care about.
You are always placed in the Human Rights Convention. You don't have to be married, the convention says you have a right to GET married.
There are still a lot of places where it is not legal for gays and bis to marry (anyone of the same gender). That doesn't mean homophilia is wrong, it simply means those countries haven't gotten enlightened enough yet. I believe so is the case with polygamy
I am almost offended when people put polygamy in the same boat as polygyny. Polygyny is a subtype of polygamy, but it is about as imprecise as calling it "marriage" or "something". I believe polygynies can be good and loving, not abusive, but the very notion of having different rules for some people is just absurd.
@Petfal I dislike polygyny. I'm quite traditional myself, but I believe in equal rights and even though I hate polygamy, I believe polygyny is stupid. If a man can have multiple women, why can't a woman have multiple men? What makes her less able? Moeny? Both can genders can work now, so we can help too. Sex? We are the ones able to sustain several orgasms. XDD Education? We can attend university and higher educations too. What is it then?
Well,if you are such a conservative,then perhaps the woman can't do all that stuff anyway,in your ethos. Therefore I think polyandry would be even better for those, where many men could work and make money, haha.
But as you said, polygyny IS stupid...I don't think you're gonna find anything if you try to find a good reason for it.
Polygamy/-amory is better, even if you hate it. I wish you didn't. I won't ask you to understand it, or live it, but I would be happy if you respected it.
@akissy A woman having multiple husbands is not human nature. That's why. Women focus all their energy on finding the one right mate to devote all her reproductive resources to whereas a man has a shrapnel effect, pretty much aiming at anything he can hit and hoping something lands. Women have only one chance a month to make one offspring whereas a man can produce hundred of offspring given the chance. Simply put: in order to create more humans, women having multiple husbands is pointless.
As I see it, polygyny is the most primitive of marriages, then you advance to monogamy, where you learn equality, first between genders. The final step of the monogamous phase is when you legalize same sex marriages, equality within genders :D Then you will be ready for the next phase, the gender neutral polygamy, the most advanced of marriages, in my opinion.
@Petfal I don't see it as advanced. Be content that you can have one wife or one husband. It's like the people who want to have more than one car. Does it make them look cool or powerful to have more than one spouse? Does it give you more love? Imo, it stresses everybody out even more, because we are naturally selfish, and it's not bad if we don't exaggerate. Why should I share my spouse with somebody else?
I will never be content until everyone can marry the people they love, and want to live with. Spouses are not cars or property. They may be viewed as such, and that is unfortunate, and we must work against it, but not by banning marriage for the rest. It doesn't give more love, because love is infinite in its nature. One person gives infinite love, but it isn't really about love, it is about us, the persons. I'm not i love with love itself, I'm in love with my girlfriend(s).
Should you be content with one of your children? Does more children give you more love? "Sorry, I don't need you, I have filled my love quota"?
The question is, why shouldn't you share your spouse with somebody? If you have an answer, then don't, there is no obligation. There are lots of good answers to why you SHOULD share, but if you don't want to, you shouldn't do it anyway. Some people are selfish, some are not. I'm one of the latter.
Women with low self-esteme lured into polygamy? @akissy, I would bet that if you did one of those interviews to see where on the Maslow pyramid these women fall they would be at the self-actualization peak! These women need to be able to break with the prevailing social norm of monogamy and then live a life on the outside for teh rest of their lives. I really do not think these are female sheep.
@edwardsson Why break with monogamy? Many of these women don't realize that they are being abused, controlled and manipulated. Do you have any idea of the physical, mental and emotional stress these women are under? Enter an open relationship, or simply take part in a threesome and you'll see what they go through. Many think they have no right to feel jealous, angry or shunned. They forget themselves completely, how is that self-actualization?
I would NEVER let my partner share something thats supposed to be sacred between me and him with other wives.If I'm interchangeable,what does that say about my own value?
It's sad that these women consider themselves beneath their "husband" and are willing to put up with sharing him in marriage.
Really,if these women are so about family morals and all that,why don't the they take on a second,third and fourth husbands?They don't because their brainwashed into submission.Its illegal for a reason
No way could I do that....call me selfish but i couldn't share my man with 4+ women. Its not right. Too bad they will find out too late that having more than one wife wont help them at all.
The only thing that had me puzzeled was, what was that man in the yellow shirt at 1:20 referring to when he was talking about courage? If anyone knows explain it to me please.
I guess if the guy has enough money whores will line up, duh. Any poor man polygamists? Send them ALL to jail! Also Obamas half brother has 3/4 wives fact!
Im wondering how many of these women are actually interested in men? I suppose there are a lot of women out there who want a family and they want kids and security, but the one thing that appeals to them much less than these things is a man. So.. the more wives a man has, the less they have to deal with the man individually.
I don't wanna be rude, but I just noticed that there's very few of what you could call attractive women at that table. o.o and I can't help but wonder why they get so defensive. I mean, yes they get attacked, but getting so defensive, at such a level...
@Maiitreya selfsteem. o.o Women who are lured into this kind of society usually have a low self-steem. o.o Low sel-steem sometimes comes from the fact that you or others think or see your as unatractive. Now, once you're in, if they keep it up, making you look plain and not boosting your ego in a healthy way, then why should you get out? That's one of the characteristics I've seen so far. call it farfetched, but it does work. o.o
@akissy self-esteem is a part of being manipulated and brainwashed. I just wish these women realized that they where worth more then being one of their husbands' many playthings/house keepers
@akissy Yeah, self-esteem is a part of being manipulated and brainwashed. I just wish that these women would realize that they are worth more then being another one of their husbands' playthings/house keepers
Wether the relationships plutonic, sexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual, homo-sexual etc. Because this culture does not train people to practice the process of being respectful, rational, honorable, moral etc I don't see polygamy or monogamy as better than either. Instead I see people failing and blaming and pointed fingers at each other. Women are victimized in monogamous relationships ad nauseum, men too are victimized in these mate relationships.
GodGenesDecoded 3 weeks ago
I know very few people if any who have a "happy relationship of any type" based on the comments being made. Happiness cannot be guaranteed by monogamy nor polygamy, happiness is a result of proper diet, exercise, rest, being respected (if you deserver it), justice, lawfullness and so on and so forth. And "this culture" does not install moral practice (not simply dogma) in its populace. So regardless of monogamy or polygamy I see unhealthy relationships period.
GodGenesDecoded 3 weeks ago
I guess none of them have to exercise or take care of themselves....my husband knows I am still gorgeous after 14 years of marriage and hot enough to keep him coming back over and over again....I love being a woman, they don't!
lucy9359 1 month ago
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Bobsterz77 1 month ago
The interviewer is hot compared to the other hogs at the table.
stives57 2 months ago 2
Id be okay with polygamy if the women could have brother husbands
Maiitreya 2 months ago
@Maiitreya
That is the important thing! Polygyny is wrong, polygamy is right!
And (homophile) men should be able to have (brother) husbands, and (homophile) women have (sister) wives.
Petfal 2 months ago
@Maiitreya That would be sick and disgusting and it serves no rational purpose. A woman can not be pregnant by more than one man at a time. Yet 10 women can be pregnant by the same man at the same time.
SalafeeSpot 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot Having as many children as possible isn't the ultimate goal for all polygamists, lol. Maybe the woman wants more than one husband because one man isn't enough to satisfy her wild sexual appetite?
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
@Maiitreya More than one husband makes no sense. She can't be pregnant more than once at a time. Plus men can not handle the idea of another man being with his wife. Unless he has something wrong with him.
SalafeeSpot 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot What does this have to do with pregnancy? Maybe it's about sex. And there are plenty of (sane) men in the world who can handle the thought of their wife sleeping with other men... some even enjoy this and encourage their wives to do so. On what basis do you think its natural for a woman to be okay with sharing her husband but a man not?
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
@Maiitreya Men and women are created differently and are not equal in ability but are equal in status. Men feel, act, and have different priveledges than women due to our biological nature. A man who enjoys his wife being with another man needs his head to be checked.
SalafeeSpot 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot I don't know what part of the world you are from, but here in North America men and women enjoy the exact same rights and priveledges. I really don't buy the argument that men are different than women, in fact I believe that the only difference between the genders are our physical makeup. Any differences in psychology are (rightly I believe) attributed to the influence of social constructs.
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot There have been many well-documented matriarchal cultures throughout history. Within these cultures, women were the heads of their house holds, the dominants, and displayed more aggressive characteristics while the men where submissive to them. Considering that it's possible for either gender to take on 'male-typical' characteristics under the right social conditions, its hard to continue believing that there's any innate psychological difference between the genders.
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
@Maiitreya Exactly what societies were matriarchal with primarily female leaders?
Nepthu 2 weeks ago
The Masuo in the Himalayas, the Nagovisi of Bougainvillea in the South Pacific, the Khasi of Meghalaya, India, and the Machinguenga of Peru, to name a few. Won't let me put links here but message me if interested.
Maiitreya 1 week ago
CULT!
jagara1 3 months ago
I'm definitely not saying all polygamous relationships are this way. I'm just noting that a pedosexual man would seek this choice out for it gives him a foothold to use. In addition, I ask: Why do you refer to God as "it" not He?
Really, I'm sorry if I come across hostile, I just would like to comprehend what could ever possess these women to, by their own free-will, to want to share that which is supposed to be their Earthly foundation with another woman! How does this close jealousy's door?
luciousllama 3 months ago
@luciousllama
Why "it", not "He"? Well, first of all, to me it is absurd that a god should have a penis and Y-chromosomes, at least such an abstract type of god as a monotheistic creator god. Polytheistic gods, like in greek mythology, of course, are more prone to be gendered. But still I would call them "it", rather than "he/she". You know, I'm one of those radical feminists, haha. I don't think it is necessary to have gendered pronouns, but instead of creating artifical new gender neutral...
Petfal 3 months ago
@luciousllama
...terms, I use the one we already got, "it". It's a bit confusing and feels a little objectifying at first, but start using it, and you'll soon get used to it. Hungarian, for instance, have no gendered pronouns, they just "it" all persons, no matter their gender. I like that, and try to make it in my language and english :D
Don't worry! I don't mind hostility, I mind only non-communication. I think these women are "brainwashed", growing up in a society, where polygyny is...
Petfal 3 months ago
@luciousllama
...considered good. There are lots of crazy cultures. We are brainwashed, growing up thinking monogamy is a good thing. What possess us to think it is right to deny love? Jealousy is a natural thing when you live a very materialistic life. You know, matter is a scarce resourse, and if someone takes something, it means that that will not be around for you to have it, so egoism is necessary. Love is not materialistc. You give all your love to one person, and there is still more...
Petfal 3 months ago
@luciousllama
...than enough to give to others. In a perfectly polyamorous society, I don't think there will be much jealousy. I don't think these women, and their culture is quite there yet, hell, they haven't even learned gender equality, haha, but they are not about closing the door to jealousy. Theirs is a fight against it, to endure it, that's what makes them tough, after all, they are probably going to be goddesses in the hereafter. I wish they knew they were goddesses already! :D
Petfal 3 months ago
Well, there is certainly a difference between friends and partners. I do not think that God made the people on this Earth to give themselves, intimately, to more than one man or woman. I am sure of this, even. In the Bible, no verses about marrige and relationships meantion how to keep a healthy relationship between wives. Just between a man's wife. 3) This lifestyle opens doors for pedosexuality because the man now has access to more than one woman. More than one child. ...
luciousllama 3 months ago
@luciousllama
2) Why do you think we weren't made to give ourselves to each other, intimately? Even sure of it?
3) Oh? How so? So if you have access to one non-particular, adult woman, the doors to pedosex are closed, but if you have access to two non-particular, adult woman, that is pedosexuality? That I don't understand, really. If a woman can have two or more husbands, is that also opening the doors to pedosexuality? And if a man can have husbands, or a woman wives?
Petfal 3 months ago
I can see where you are coming from and you have made a few interesting points. 1) On the literal meaning of Genesis: I do believe that there are some things in this book that might not be meant to be taken in the literal sense. However, I do not believe that the creation of man and women are one of them. 2) You say that if God wanted us to do things that we couldn't do with more than one man and one woman, maybe He shouldn't have made so many other people...
luciousllama 3 months ago
@luciousllama
1) As I said, even if you take Genesis literally, there might still be "details" that are not mentioned. Maybe the ones who wrote it never thought about just mentioning one of the male characters and one of the female characters would later be used to defend homophobia and monogamy. In my mind you EITHER take things literally, then they don't MEAN stuff, or you take them symbolically, where you can interpret them, didactically.
Petfal 3 months ago
Polygamy is ok. Love isn't about being with 1 person. Some of these women are so ugly, i'm glad they found someone, and that one man is handling all these ugly women, congrats to him; and thank you.
acuseme 3 months ago
I don't know how Dawn could keep a straight face. Phaha
Svenhartley 5 months ago
The real issue here is not so much polygamy as much as people living a life-style from the Old Testament with pre-medieval values in a modern world and the use of religion to elevate men and, essentially, enslave women. What people do in their private lives to be happy really should be their own business, but there is a point when the manipulation by religion becomes abuse of the individual. This is that point.
SolofTarsus5 6 months ago 3
she his a hepless stupid creature.....
elyzazaza 6 months ago
i am mormon there are 2 types 1 there there has loads of wife and one that aniti this act i am anit this i dnt hang on every word of the good book says and dnt think of weddings but thats me but this documentary makes people think all momons are like thisthey are not
2006vicki 6 months ago
@SweetDivaism
I'm a guy. I'm not a Mormon. I also believe that it's possible to love more than one person at a time. Raising/Watching kids is not just a task for women but also for men.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@requiemofi13 true, but because of gay marriage it will be legal thanks to obama getting rid of doma
kellyannabama 6 months ago
@kellyannabama I am pretty sure that if a traffic light goes red on you at a four-way stop, you blame Obama. Indeed, the entire marriage question is up for grabs. There is a serious discussion to be had on who can marry whom (like a 17 year-old and a 70 year-old, for instance), but it is not going to be intelligently addressed and resolved with pointless blither about President Obama being Satan's Agent on Earth.
SolofTarsus5 6 months ago
I love how everyone seems to think they know what these women are really thinking.
pinkpixiechic 6 months ago
Sometimes I think they're just insecure.....
JustYouWatchingMe 6 months ago
Polygamy doesn't exit in the modern Mormon church, there isn't any evidence of it either!
So why are you people producing such blasphemous TV programs which go directly against revised LDS Church doctrine?!
Just to get more views on YouTube, that makes TLC a troll and a view whore!!
What a shallow, worthless TV show!
You must be very proud of your mindless lies and Satanic blasphemous attempt to destroy the purest Church on Earth, this goes against the teachings of our Holy Founder Joseph Smith!
Mormonites 7 months ago
@Mormonites Because there IS evidence that the Mormon faith DID practise religion. It might be past-tense, but it's still there.
watercoloursgrey 6 months ago
Actually, I am on the board of these women and I can quite confidently tell you that for the most part, each of them ARE happy. If worshiping a rock makes you happy, you should worship a rock. As for me, I am with these fine ladies that I love and adore. You should contact them if you think they are lying, any of them will take you into their homes and show you how beautiful this lifestyle is when lived correctly.
RobertKnudson18 8 months ago
In the beggining God made a man and a woman. NOT A MAN AND 5 WOMEN!!!!!
luciousllama 8 months ago 2
@luciousllama
But after a while God, if this God exists and did everything, created several billions men and women.
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal Yes, but did he create several women in the beginning for one man? No, he created the woman for the man not the womEn for the man. (And I'm not saying that the woman should be held at a standard below men)... If God wanted this to be our way of life, don't you think he would have had us start out this way? Besides, this is obviously not healthy! It opens a door for pediophelia and jealousy in the relationship!
luciousllama 3 months ago
@luciousllama
I really don't know. Unless you are a creationist, you probably also know that genesis is not necessarily meant literally. Some people think there was actually a bunch of people in the beginning, and Adam and Eve could have been abstract symbols of these, or actual representatives (which would explain how their children could get offspring). It was never said there were no others. If this God wanted us to never do stuff we couldn't do with more than one man and one woman...
Petfal 3 months ago
@luciousllama
...maybe it shouldn't have made so many other people? Or at least it could have said so. Instead it gives us love, which proves polyamory is right, from a religious viewpoint. Is it wrong to have friends? If not, why didn't God make enough people to have friends from the beginning!?
Really? How does having two consenting adult life partners open more doors for pedosexuality than having one consenting adult life partner!? Monogamy opens for jealousy, where you have to get rid...
Petfal 3 months ago
@luciousllama
...of your partner before you can be with a new partner. In polyamory there is one less reason for to be jealous.
Petfal 3 months ago
sweetpea91472, you speak from a position of weakness. Read all you want about poly-folks, but unless you on the inside, its impossible for you or anyon eelse to know anything at all concerning the topic. Besides, not all poly are sick people who marry off children. None of the poly people I know married children despite all the wives I've seen.
MonkeyKingDisciple 8 months ago
If all man were like my husband, there would be no woman on earth trying to excuse their patherick life style, and no man would try to make poly look good, this world would be better if all man were like my husband. Praise God for his life.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
I rather have one okay looking girl than 50 of these ugly bitches.
HubsDrunk 9 months ago
@HubsDrunk
Then you'd better hope no one is making it illegal for you to have what you want! We should fight for everyone's rights!
Petfal 3 months ago
Wow, there it is, defending their cult. They drop their sons off at the bus stop, leave them crying, with a bag of clothes. They drive home, leave their husbands and go to a new husband assigned to them, faithfully, their daughters get married off to 60 year old men, and here they are, defending that horse manure life they call holy. holy my behind. They live in constant fear.
Marflet11 9 months ago
LaChiChi,
There are ways to resolve that problem other than just breaking up polygamous marriages. One thing that would help is that the husband should not be bringing in any other woman unless his 1st wife chooses and wants it. And to go beyond that, the husband should have the first wife help out in picking a potential 2nd wife and ideally that wife should be compatible with the first wife.. This way, both are getting a girl that's good for ALL of the adults in the relationship.
PolyPride3 9 months ago
@PolyPride3 Bingo. That's HEALTHY polygamy and a HEALTHY relationship amongst everyone, not this brainwashed fundie bullshit that makes every poly look bad. I'm not a poly, but dammit, I'm a libertarian, and I believe that as long as everyone consents and no one gets hurt, people should be with who they want. These women don't get to consent, and it DOES hurt them emotionally. I wish people, both those involved and those observing, would wake up and see this.
TheCircusReject 9 months ago
@PolyPride3 Dude, you are trying so hard to make poly look good, you are in almost every poly channel there is, hahahaha.. You wives are just as sick as you, you couldn't have a wife that thinks been a secund wife is not ok, you must be allllll sick in the head.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
Yes, I'm trying to show that there are good examples of polygamy and that some of the problems that people bring up can be solved without having to ban polygamy altogether. Nothing wrong with that just as long as I'm doing so reasonably rather than with insulting comments and bashing and with no logic to go by like SOME who are against poly tend to do.
PolyPride3 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
Being 2nd wife does not mean being 2nd rank. In polygamy the interaction is not just about romance between the wife and husband, there's also friendship and social companionship between the wives. If you want to add a bisexual aspect then there can even be sex between the wives and husband also. Women can benefit socially by having an extra women to turn to for help, etc and guys benefit sexually. Everyone can benefit financially w/ the potential of 3 incomes instead of 2.
PolyPride3 8 months ago
@PolyPride3
Cont'd
There's also nothing unfair or immoral about benefits even if to some the guy gets more sex or the women outnumber the man. Everyone is getting what they chose and wanted. The guy is getting more sex and the women may not have cared for more sex and just wanted more of the socializing and extra companionship aspect that can come from 2 women sharing a man. Again, just as long as ALL adults chose their form of poly, then they are all getting what they want.
PolyPride3 8 months ago
I was a realtionship with a man who was not only in love with me but another woman...As you can see it didn't work out. Not because I was jealous...but because I didnt know my place as a woman..where did I belong in that relationship? its more than just being married ladies...You can't possibly tell me you are happy when a man brings a younger and prettier lady home to be his next wife...You ladies are seriously brainwashed.
LaChiChi09 9 months ago
Lol...Male looking for sister wives.....
BankingOnTechnology 9 months ago
Polygamy is great. I wish I could have 3 wives!!! I promise to God I would remain faithful.
BankingOnTechnology 9 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
Marriage to them is for love and social reasons.
PolyPride3 9 months ago
they are victims. they may deny it but they are. they have there hearts rip out daily watching the man they love be in love with 2 other girls. if someone really loves you, you become there everything, not just 1/3
FallenAngel6499 10 months ago 35
@FallenAngel6499
This all depends on what the women is looking for out of a marriage. Not all have the standard for marriage being only a 2 person marriage, some women actually want 3 people and that's for extra companionship. Some women are very social. They enjoy companionship and would not mind being so close with a best friend that she'd actually want to share a marriage with her. So really the woman who want these relationships oftentimes are looking for both a husband AND another wife.
PolyPride3 9 months ago
@FallenAngel6499
My girlfriends are my everythings, even if they have other boyfriends (and girlfriends! :D )
Petfal 3 months ago
NONE of these women are happy. NONE of them. They can say what they want but when their OLD husband brings home a 16 year old, how the hell can they be happy? I have read extensively about polygamy and the Fundamentalist Mormon cult and NONE of those women are truly happy. LIES!!!
Sweetpea91472 10 months ago 50
@Sweetpea91472 stfu, some ppl exist outside of your judgemental bubble.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 10 months ago
@Sweetpea91472 The ancients did it for thousands of years. Sorry my friend that's a modern view of things.
raieyez 10 months ago
@Sweetpea91472 Who are you to say what makes people happy or not? Are you in their brains? Are you in their minds? Then how can you possibly say whether they're genuinely happy?
watercoloursgrey 6 months ago
@Sweetpea91472 I agree. It really isn't rocket science that men are programed to spread their fucking seed, hell you can learn that from watching porn, you don't have to read the fucked up book of moron. These women most certainly are brainwashed
fatty14275 6 months ago
@Sweetpea91472 First off, you're basing your opinion on what several others do as well, which is the marriage of underage girls to men that could be their fathers, and into marriages they don't want to be in. But several, nearly all Fundamentalist Mormon sects don't believe in this practice. They encourage young women to become educated and well rounded before marrying, and who and when they marry is entirely up to them. I suggest you read more points of view then just what you agree with.
purple1316 3 months ago in playlist More videos from TLC
@Sweetpea91472 Unless they happen to have a different outlook to you of course, but then that *couldn't* be the case could it!
andy7666 2 weeks ago
@Sweetpea91472 It's called not having insane jealousy. A man is naturally programmed to want and need more than one woman. Hence why christians, muslims, hindus, buddhists all over the world acknowledge this and don't look down on a man's natural desires. A man wanting another wife is like a woman wanting another necklace.
SalafeeSpot 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot How do you know men are "naturally programmed" a certain way? Are you in every single man's head?
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
@Maiitreya It's called being a man. Plus nature
SalafeeSpot 2 weeks ago
@SalafeeSpot Just because you are a man yourself you think that all other men in the world think the same way you do? Sorry buddy but I'm not convinced.
Maiitreya 2 weeks ago
Big Pimpin'
GoblinsnHobbits 10 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
I recall interracial and gay relationships being non-mainstream, hopefully those in them aren't brainwashed. There are those who who are okay with poly relationships and not for religiously mandated reasons. I know non-Mormons who are okay with and even living in polygamy. Plenty polygamists children are also okay with monogamy and would not engage in polygamy, watch the show Sister Wives to find that out. HOpefully all these people aren't brainwashed.
PolyPride3 11 months ago
Nathalia,
I didn't hear any of these women mention having sex with 12 year olds is okay. I also think the word 'brainwash' is thrown around SELFISHLY. Just because someone lives in a different lifestyle than the mainstream does not automatically make them brainwashed. I would only say that if their lifestyle was proven to be wrong beyond a reasonable doubt and people were trying to still teach that it's right.
PolyPride3 11 months ago
If I was their husband, I'd run a train on them bitchez.
DangerD205 11 months ago
...''How dare you judge us....'' what the HELL...what you should say: ''how dare you have some old geezer fuck a 12 year old!
Just face it, in order to say it is OK, or it ''your choice'' and say ''it is for us'' you HAVE to be brainwashed....because it is a sick thing to do...let alone the fact that I have no idea how a man could even get hard looking at you heifers....just that inbred Mo' look is scary! I guess, that must be the reason: no other fellow would fuck you!
NathaliaArroyo 11 months ago
Wow. Some people comment and some people stand on soap boxes.
teeleecee 1 year ago
Government has no ability to control or recognize marriage. Why are we asking them for permission? Lets bring back freedom of religion to this country. Why do we want to control everyone? Government free marriage is the only way to fix this issue. Time to change the argument. Why are we asking the government to control our lives? Why do we want the government to recognize anything? For or against should not be the argument, government free marriage NOW!
sarah9miller 1 year ago
@sarah9miller
The question is not why we ask them for pemission, because there the answer is they secure our rights.
The question is why the government does not give permission. Same sex marriages and polygamy ought to be legal in a perfect society. Freedom of religion is ok, but not freedom of all practices involved therein. But freedom of love should be! The overnment needs to understand this! It has no right denying, but it has all right endowing, and "sanctifying" our relationships!
Petfal 1 year ago
Freedom of religion? Please, what if some religion believes in raping kids, or killing a certain race. Officiously the law is there in-order to protect us, a man can live with how ever many women he wants, but he can only put 1 person's name down on his marriage certificate.
alwayshayla 1 year ago
@alwayshayla
That goes for women, too, and that is wrong. If you love someone, you shall have the right to marry them, no matter if you are married from before.
Petfal 1 year ago
Hue heffner doesnt got anything on their man.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
Join the Government Free Marriage now and solve these divisive issues surrounding the government's definitions of marriage.
joshfarmer76 1 year ago
Live and let live. Get government out of the marriage licensing business period. Anything it can give, it can take away. The way to resolve all marriage issues, whether, gay, polygamist, etc. is to get government out of the process. By supporting the government free marraige movement you support resolution to the angst and problem. Government free marriage now.
joshfarmer76 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I can't except polygamy :< I try to keep my mind open to these things, but what better way to show that a woman is not important and only a baby making machine then to not be true to her and marry other women. It is immoral and demeaning and I feel bad for those raised in this life style.
ColMustardseed 1 year ago
@ColMustardseed If you're against polygamy, then don't marry a man with 2 wives. Other than that, let other people decide what's best for them and don't interfere with their personal choices.
prom6767 1 year ago
omg!! i bet 10years from now they will be fighting for EEEEEQUAL RIGHTS! :o
DusterxAmaranth 1 year ago
Well... if an adult woman CHOOSE a life as a part-time sex toy and a slut, it is up to her. But only monogamy marriages should be allowed, and kids brought up in a such environment should be moved away and taken care of.
It sucks that perverse customs may be accepted because of a religious disguise.
While screwing a lot of girls may seem cool to any man for a while, don't treat it as anything to respect! The perversity is not the screwing itself, but the confirmation of degrading women.
Mbenzi 1 year ago
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fincenMIB 1 year ago
I don't understand how self-esteem rolls into this?.. anyone care to explain?
Invadurr 1 year ago
I believe in polygamy. In the unperverted, true polygamy. I think until men stop cheating on their wives, have kids with six different women and not caring for them everyone should just shut up and leave these people alone! If they are happy, healthy and content what business is it of ours anyway? You can't believe everything you hear about them. Not all polygamist are bad and not all non polygamist are right. So lets all be for understanding of each other. They don't tell you how to live.
thearmywife88m 1 year ago
@thearmywife88m
Yes and when part of your check goes to support the kids of polygamists come back and post. Many polygamists have their wives file as single mothers to collect social services.
Oh, and i guess You believe that it is very healthy in mind, body and soul for a child to have the unbelieveable confusion of all these moms and dad screwing around with all of them like a harem? Jealousies and igorance abound.
Let the adults do what they want, don't drag their children down.
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118100006 1 year ago
ISNT THIS ILLEGAL??!!
whiteasiangirl 1 year ago
@whiteasiangirl
if the marriages aren't register with the state then its not illegal.
rania3830 1 year ago
@rania3830
UM, YES it is ILLEGAL whether they are registered or NOT.
Living with many women in a polygamous relationship is ILLEGAL in NORTH AMERICA.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 And so is sex outside the marriage in many states. Many attorneys will not waste the courts time with this law as our nation (america) has degenerated into a corrupt society.
etcharrison 1 year ago
@etcharrison
HUGE court case in Canada right now about Polygamy and how out of hand it got in a small community because MEN turned the other way.
Young girls being trafficked across the border, both to and from the States for Jeff Warrens and Winston Blackmore and all the grudgy perverted OLD men leaching after young nubile bride slaves.
It is a blight and shame and an abuse and sex slave situation for young girls.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@etcharrison
So if some get away with it and it grows in proportions? how would it look if it got legalized?
Some men will abuse and if given carte blanche? wow, poor young vulnerable girls will get brainwashed into this.
It is plain and simple. EVIL!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@whiteasiangirl
TOTALLY ILLEGAL!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Yes i do spend time in the Holy scriptures and if you did too..... you would then discover that their are several passages in scripture where homosexuality is not condoned and referred to as perverse. yet nowhere in scripture dose it look down on polygamy.
118100006 1 year ago
@118100006
Find me where JESUS says MEN can have more than one wife?
The OT is NOT the guide for men and marriage. Nor the guide for living a CHRISTIAN life, otherwise we would still see God apparently telling men to invade other tribes and kill married women and children and take the virgins.
JESUS said that NO one should look at another with lust in their eyes if they are married otherwise they commit adultery.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
I don't how or why but ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right even when you study Holy Scriptures and /or history multiple wives have always been a way of life.... it is only modern society that frowns on this.... yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not OK any normal human being can tell you that it is not.
I would like to meet like minded women Tico
118100006 1 year ago
@118100006 So you wanna marry lots of women, but don't think a man loving ONE other man is "OK"?
Delusional.
eljagg01 1 year ago
@118100006 if you would study biology you would know that homosexuality is a very common thing in both animals and humans. In certain monkeys it is used as a way of conflict solving. Maybe try to spend less time with holy scriptures and more time in real life :) sincerely, a not like minded woman.
ConstantlyDayDreamin 1 year ago
@ConstantlyDayDreamin
Actually, homosexuality is RARE in the animal kingdom. Very few species or insects are homosexually inclined or a form of androgynous. Why don't you name all the homosexual species in the animal kingdom?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Actually homo sexuality is common in the animal kingdom, however mans sin (Adam), brought everything animate/inanimate with him as God gave him dominion over everything and he (Adam) with his sin gave dominion of earth to Satan. Go to your local library or a search on the internet for the list. The bible says that nature groans from the sin placed upon it by Adam. Because of sin so are the many diseases, wars etc...
etcharrison 1 year ago
@etcharrison
actually, homosexuality is NOT common in the animal kingdom and does exist in some respects, but NOT at all common.
The ancient bronze age men had to blame something or someone for the natural earth cycles of species, plant, and animal kingdom. Not sure I would blame Adam. But I am very grateful you did not put all the blame on Eve as so many do.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality wwwnews-medicaldotnet/news/2006/10/23/20718dotaspx.. I'm not saying it's right. I am saying it is a fact. This is brought about by mans sin. Eve was deceived and the Bible states that sin entered the world through Adam, this is not my idea or claim but Gods claim. Sometimes when our beliefs meet reality it is a bitter pill. I remember telling someone I did not want to know about wolves as that would destroy my own beliefs about them
etcharrison 1 year ago
@etcharrison
As far as - homosexuality is brought about by mans sin? hmm, how about by man just acting like a base animal and not controlling himself.
Men claim that sin came through Adam. God is subjective in this story as it is ancient bronze age men who were suppositioning about creation and God.
Fear comes from the unknown. No one can know God, so men throughout the centuries are trying to figure out the nature of God or how creation really happened.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
What we can know is that our lives can be immeasurably improved by following Christ and Christ alone. If we get caught up in all sorts of other idols it does not bode well.
Jesus is quite straightforward and following what he asks is the way.
But how many really know or are doing what JESUS asks.
Note I do NOT refer to Paul for Paul is NOT Jesus.
Jesus says simple rules:
Follow the 10 commandments, Love God first, love neighbour as thyself, feed the poor, tend the sick etc.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@ConstantlyDayDreamin
that is exists is true, but not in abundance as you claim.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@118100006
Polygamy is wrong, illegal, and immoral.
It is harmful to women and children.
It proves the polygamous man is sinful, gluttonous, greedy, selfish, prideful, an adulterer and making many women adulterers, in addition to giving into lusts.
No one can convince healthy people that polygamy is right. It is a HUGE sin and leads many others into that sin.
It harms women. But for any MAN who is brainwashed or ignorant he will not see it.
We pray for them.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@118100006
I agree that polygamy is fine IF :
1) Everyone in the marriages is OK with it.
2) Women are allowed to have a bunch of spouses also.
3) Everyone involved in the marriages are old enough to not be completely naive.
But not for the same reason as you, because there's free will. And if it doesn't hurt anybody, it's not wrong.
But unlike you, I think that being gay is OK. If it's not hurting anyone why is it wrong? It's a victimless crime.
mejustmeamy 1 year ago
@mejustmeamy the kids don't get to choose they are stuck
dupont4sure 1 year ago
@dupont4sure
If the parents are normal..ish, then the kids will grow up to be normal people.
I grew up in a cult, and in that cult, polygamy is OK.
Right after I became an atheist, I kinda rebelled against everything that the cult said, so I'm not saying that polygamy's OK because of my upbringing. But now that I think about it, it's fine.
I grew up in in that cult, and I'm not gonna lie, me and my brothers and sisters have a few issues, but it's not because of the polygamy part.
mejustmeamy 1 year ago
@dupont4sure
"me and my brothers and sisters have a few issues"
Just to make things clear, that's not because we were abused, we weren't. It's because of the cult's literature, that kinda influenced us cause we were reading it and thinking it was true at a young age.
So, now we're normal, most of the time, just sometimes, we're kinda antisocial and stuff.
mejustmeamy 1 year ago
A man can have women . But women can't.
What about the boys in this community?.
Where can they meet girls enouth far them if the odest men take all the beauty under age girls??????
Eliotcor 1 year ago
@Eliotcor most yough boys are kicked out becuse of that they are called ''lost boys'' the reson they the called that is not only becuse the are kicked out not also becuse their family are not alowed to see their family.
huggabelchick 1 year ago
@akissy, Why don't you ask these women why they broke with the monogamist model? How do you know they are being manipulated any more than anyone else is in our materialistic society? And if you want to reduce their stress then totally recognize their marriage arrangement under law. Why don't you ask Patricia Ireland, former NOW president, if her having a husband and lesbian girlfriend at the same time if she felt exploited. Or is it different for feminists than for traditionalists?
edwardsson 1 year ago
@edwardsson I never received a notification of this comment. XD Sorry. ^^
The stress isn't derived from their marriages not being legal. It's derived from the fact that the husband can and will get a newer "model" whenever it hits his fancy, and the other wife believes she cannot feel jealous or angry, when she has a right to feel so!
I'm a traditionalist, I hate feminism, because it's not real feminism, and I would never be a polygamist. continue...
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
That the man can and will get newer models isn't because of polygamy, that's because of the man being a jerk. Those jerks are also in our culture, but here they have to ditch the old wife, and then, somehow, we think it is moral. Polygyny is not coool, but polyGAMY is, this is not polygamy. Of course a person in a good relationship has the right to feel whatever it wants/feels like, and the others in the relationship ought to try to fix it, somehow.
Petfal 1 year ago
@edwardsson ...continue. also, why did you throw in the comparison? People get manipulated all the time outside of polygamy, but polygamy is one of the biggest breeding nests for manipulation and brainwashing. Why? Because they don't have basic human rights. At least in the "outside world" we have human rights and can call the cops if we are being beaten, can say "NO MORE!" and walk away. They can't.
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy "They don't have basic human rights"
Uhh, you mean basic human rights like the right to love and marry who they want?
I agree!!!
Legalize polygamy now!!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 No, I mean respect for their wishes, and their feelings. As I said, they think they don't have the right to feel angry or jealous, they think that they HAVE to have a polygamist marriage to be happy, that it's their duty to shut up and just listen. If they had entered a polygamist marriage because they wanted to,not because their religion tells them to do in order to be saved, then I wouldn't say anything. But many of these women don't know any better, because they aren't allowed.
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
If polygamy was legal, normal people, that had no other reasons than that to confine themselves away from society, would have the same rights as others. These people are crazy in so many ways that their polygyny is just one factor of. Abuse will get more efficient with polygamy, yes, but there will not be abuse that wouldn't be there in any case.
By the way, the international human rights convention says everyone shall be able to marry whomever they want, which okays polygamy and gay m
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal So because in marriage there's abuse there's no reason why not to legalize polygamy? Oh great! then because there's wife beaters all over the place let's give cheaters and abusers and spouse killers one more way to do their thing, no? It's nothing new and will happen anyways.
And the joke's on you sweetie: those women aren't married they are single mothers. And please, I, being bisexual, take it as an offense if you place gay marriage and polygamy in the same boat.
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
Since there is abuse in all marriages, monogamous and polygamous, that is no reason for to forbid one and not the other. I'll admit that polygamy will allow for more efficient abuse, especially polygyny, but here the women are in greater numbers, and can unite, if they choose, of course. With true, gender neutral polygamy, I don't think there would be as much abuse. But polygamy would necessarily enable polygyny (unless we make it an exception).
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal SAdly, true, gender neutral polygamy isn't possible with these people. It's in their RELIGIOUS belief. If we were to legalize polygamy we would legalize this people's lifestyle too. Since everybody has a right to pursue their religion of choice there's no way we could say "Hey Mormon! You can't be a polygamist, but you Christian, can be able because you're a bit more gender neutral than the Mormon!" That's one of the reasons, at least in my opinion, not to legalize it. Unfair, but true.
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
Anything is possible! Anyone can come to senses.
But I'll tell you, these conservative polygynist would be te fiercest opponents to true polygamy (as polygyny is further away from polygamy than monogamy is), and I'm not really sure they would use it at all. Maybe some, but not all of them, some would think it would be to endorse an immorality.
My suggestion would be, until polygyny is gone, have polygamy as an exception. In our country, the legal age for marriage is 18...
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy
...but if a lensman, or something, approves, you can marry at the age of 16 (legal sexual age here), if it finds no reason to deny it. This would be gold for polygamy. There WILL be few polygamous marriages, so it will still be an exception, and then it would be easy to give a reason not to, if the marriage was abusive, or assymmetric in any way.
Nonetheless, I think it is more important to grant the rights to someone that don't abuse it, than to take it away from the abusers.
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy
Therefore, if we legalize polygamy, we would have to improve the laws and the help against marital abuse. This would also benefit abused parties in monogamous marriages. It will happen anyways. Those who want to practice non-legal polygyny or -gamy, -andry or -amory (this would be legal, though), will, and if they want to abuse, they will. Legalizing could help it a little, but mainly the effect would be that polyamory would be more accepted in society, and that is a good thing.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal As I said, not only improve the laws against abuse, which the government doesn't care about, but we would need to review freedom of religion. And believe me, people will not like it.
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
I love being the source of laughter and happiness :D
Which women aren't married, but single mothers?
Please don't be offended. That I might take as an offense :D But I won't, I totally understand you. Everything can be put in a boat together. There are differences between homophilia and polyamory, but there are also likenesses. Both "lifestyles" has been shunned, and viewed as immoral in our heteromonogamous world society.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal But we don't mix religion in the formula...
Polygamist mothers aren't married, they are single mothers living off welfare. So they can't be called married women. o.o So they cannot be placed on the the Human Rights convention. Gays, lesbians and us bisexuals can, because we would marry a single person, which is legal. o.o
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
They are not married juridically, so there is legal certificates, no marital economical benefits (except if they live collectively, of course), and no laws being broken. But the government is not the only authority for marriage. Some god/church/clergy/congregation might be, for a religious marriage, and something else for those who want that. I think these are married in the eyes they care about, and you can say they are not, in the eyes you care about.
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy
You are always placed in the Human Rights Convention. You don't have to be married, the convention says you have a right to GET married.
There are still a lot of places where it is not legal for gays and bis to marry (anyone of the same gender). That doesn't mean homophilia is wrong, it simply means those countries haven't gotten enlightened enough yet. I believe so is the case with polygamy
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy
I am almost offended when people put polygamy in the same boat as polygyny. Polygyny is a subtype of polygamy, but it is about as imprecise as calling it "marriage" or "something". I believe polygynies can be good and loving, not abusive, but the very notion of having different rules for some people is just absurd.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal I dislike polygyny. I'm quite traditional myself, but I believe in equal rights and even though I hate polygamy, I believe polygyny is stupid. If a man can have multiple women, why can't a woman have multiple men? What makes her less able? Moeny? Both can genders can work now, so we can help too. Sex? We are the ones able to sustain several orgasms. XDD Education? We can attend university and higher educations too. What is it then?
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
Well,if you are such a conservative,then perhaps the woman can't do all that stuff anyway,in your ethos. Therefore I think polyandry would be even better for those, where many men could work and make money, haha.
But as you said, polygyny IS stupid...I don't think you're gonna find anything if you try to find a good reason for it.
Polygamy/-amory is better, even if you hate it. I wish you didn't. I won't ask you to understand it, or live it, but I would be happy if you respected it.
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy A woman having multiple husbands is not human nature. That's why. Women focus all their energy on finding the one right mate to devote all her reproductive resources to whereas a man has a shrapnel effect, pretty much aiming at anything he can hit and hoping something lands. Women have only one chance a month to make one offspring whereas a man can produce hundred of offspring given the chance. Simply put: in order to create more humans, women having multiple husbands is pointless.
girlascope 11 months ago
@akissy
As I see it, polygyny is the most primitive of marriages, then you advance to monogamy, where you learn equality, first between genders. The final step of the monogamous phase is when you legalize same sex marriages, equality within genders :D Then you will be ready for the next phase, the gender neutral polygamy, the most advanced of marriages, in my opinion.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal I don't see it as advanced. Be content that you can have one wife or one husband. It's like the people who want to have more than one car. Does it make them look cool or powerful to have more than one spouse? Does it give you more love? Imo, it stresses everybody out even more, because we are naturally selfish, and it's not bad if we don't exaggerate. Why should I share my spouse with somebody else?
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy
I will never be content until everyone can marry the people they love, and want to live with. Spouses are not cars or property. They may be viewed as such, and that is unfortunate, and we must work against it, but not by banning marriage for the rest. It doesn't give more love, because love is infinite in its nature. One person gives infinite love, but it isn't really about love, it is about us, the persons. I'm not i love with love itself, I'm in love with my girlfriend(s).
Petfal 1 year ago
@akissy
Should you be content with one of your children? Does more children give you more love? "Sorry, I don't need you, I have filled my love quota"?
The question is, why shouldn't you share your spouse with somebody? If you have an answer, then don't, there is no obligation. There are lots of good answers to why you SHOULD share, but if you don't want to, you shouldn't do it anyway. Some people are selfish, some are not. I'm one of the latter.
Petfal 1 year ago
Women with low self-esteme lured into polygamy? @akissy, I would bet that if you did one of those interviews to see where on the Maslow pyramid these women fall they would be at the self-actualization peak! These women need to be able to break with the prevailing social norm of monogamy and then live a life on the outside for teh rest of their lives. I really do not think these are female sheep.
edwardsson 1 year ago
@edwardsson Why break with monogamy? Many of these women don't realize that they are being abused, controlled and manipulated. Do you have any idea of the physical, mental and emotional stress these women are under? Enter an open relationship, or simply take part in a threesome and you'll see what they go through. Many think they have no right to feel jealous, angry or shunned. They forget themselves completely, how is that self-actualization?
akissy 1 year ago
I would NEVER let my partner share something thats supposed to be sacred between me and him with other wives.If I'm interchangeable,what does that say about my own value?
It's sad that these women consider themselves beneath their "husband" and are willing to put up with sharing him in marriage.
Really,if these women are so about family morals and all that,why don't the they take on a second,third and fourth husbands?They don't because their brainwashed into submission.Its illegal for a reason
Maiitreya 1 year ago
No way could I do that....call me selfish but i couldn't share my man with 4+ women. Its not right. Too bad they will find out too late that having more than one wife wont help them at all.
mizamaysing 1 year ago
The only thing that had me puzzeled was, what was that man in the yellow shirt at 1:20 referring to when he was talking about courage? If anyone knows explain it to me please.
tbone2872 1 year ago
I guess if the guy has enough money whores will line up, duh. Any poor man polygamists? Send them ALL to jail! Also Obamas half brother has 3/4 wives fact!
drahm33 1 year ago
Im wondering how many of these women are actually interested in men? I suppose there are a lot of women out there who want a family and they want kids and security, but the one thing that appeals to them much less than these things is a man. So.. the more wives a man has, the less they have to deal with the man individually.
Just a thought.
kurjast 1 year ago
the next thing will be marrying underage. we have to have some moral code existent.
LauraPuffyCloud 1 year ago
freedom of religion is if you believe in what the government believes in.
tbear357 1 year ago 5
@tbear357 no it's not
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
I don't wanna be rude, but I just noticed that there's very few of what you could call attractive women at that table. o.o and I can't help but wonder why they get so defensive. I mean, yes they get attacked, but getting so defensive, at such a level...
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy what does attractiveness have to do with anything???
Maiitreya 1 year ago
@Maiitreya selfsteem. o.o Women who are lured into this kind of society usually have a low self-steem. o.o Low sel-steem sometimes comes from the fact that you or others think or see your as unatractive. Now, once you're in, if they keep it up, making you look plain and not boosting your ego in a healthy way, then why should you get out? That's one of the characteristics I've seen so far. call it farfetched, but it does work. o.o
akissy 1 year ago
@akissy self-esteem is a part of being manipulated and brainwashed. I just wish these women realized that they where worth more then being one of their husbands' many playthings/house keepers
Maiitreya 1 year ago
@akissy Yeah, self-esteem is a part of being manipulated and brainwashed. I just wish that these women would realize that they are worth more then being another one of their husbands' playthings/house keepers
Maiitreya 1 year ago
LOST.
DurtyDominican 1 year ago
I would trade all those women for 1 pretty one.
specialross77 1 year ago 29