This is the most learned discussion I've ever seen on YouTube. It's nice to know that there's somebody with brains out there. As for Gesualdo, he's a sexually perverted 20th Century musician who stepped into a timewarp and found himself in the body of the Prince of Venona in the 1500s. It's the only explanation that makes sense.
These disagreements over vibrato are just silly. A vibrato is part of a well-functioning singing voice. Sometime in the 1980s choral singers started turning the vibrato off. The production of the Diller singers is superb and the vibratos are natural and human. I sang with the San Francisco Symphony chorus, sans vibrato, while the string section continued producing vibrato. Is this inconsistent? No, just a matter of performance taste at this time.
This must have been ground-breaking stuff when the Deller consort recorded it, both musically challenging and also commercial, because not many people knew about Gesualdo and his style of music. There's no doubt that Youtube has opened up so much of Gesualdo's wonderful music for all to hear and so it's many thanks once again to jaaaaaayynnee et al for uploading these tracks and videos.
I like it very much in this low tempo version ! I always instinctively thought it should be this slow. Very good all in all but the vibrato is very strong. Thats not that bad but i think a little less would not be wrong.
when I heard this performance for the first time, I thought it was too slow. today I'm able to understand the tempo chosen, the flow of forces which this consort intend to put in action. by the way: I adore it.
EXCELLENT ENSEMBLE!!! What a composer! What a tortured life he had, but what music he created!!!! I wonder if Richard Wagner came across his music when he resided in Venice at the time of "Tristan". Stravinksy, too was overwhelmed by this composer, as am I!!!!
I think this group is very good, but honestly, let the extreme vibrato go! Its good in moderation, but this kind of music doesn't necessarily call for crazy vibrato from every voice all the time....ahg
@TheFlutegirl15 If only Alfred Deller could have lived long enough to be schooled by you in the YouTube comment section, I'm sure after searching for, and then instituting your corrections, he would have pulled this and re-recorded it and be FOREVER FRICKIN' GRATEFUL........NOT!
Moro lasso, Madrigal by Carlo Gesualdo I die, alas! from my pain, And who can give me life, Alas, kills me and will not give me life. I die, alas! from my pain, And who can give me life, Alas, kills me and will not give me succour, Oh painful lot, Who can give me life, Alas, gives me death. Translation giiven in: A Treasury of Early Music, compiled and edited by Carl Parrish pp, 181 to 188. which includes complete score. Thank you for this wonderfully enriching site!
Whatever one may think of the historical-stylistic aspects of this performance, it is still IMHO an inspired performance, like so much else of Deller's work. And although I would not enjoy other groups singing it at this tempo, yet I love Deller's group singing it at this tempo.
It is a version very different from which I have listened, surely less stylistically correct so that it is known nowadays much more on the period of the life of the composer who when it was recorded. But it is a beautiful version!
Es una versión muy diferente a todas las que he escuchado, seguramente la menos "estilísticamente correcta" por que se sabe hoy en día mucho mas sobre el período de la vida de el compositor que cuando fue grabado. Pero es una versión hermosa!
What an experience...! Lovely!
cgculprit 1 month ago
This is the most learned discussion I've ever seen on YouTube. It's nice to know that there's somebody with brains out there. As for Gesualdo, he's a sexually perverted 20th Century musician who stepped into a timewarp and found himself in the body of the Prince of Venona in the 1500s. It's the only explanation that makes sense.
Axgoodofdunemaul 2 months ago
I only just heard of Gesualdo. There's a good article about him -- his bloodiness -- in the December 19 & 26 issue of The New Yorker.
Axgoodofdunemaul 2 months ago
The best interpretation of Gesualdo's Madrigals that I know is that of La Venexiana!
Birgita 2 months ago
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It's between them and The Kassiopeia Quintet I think, both are superb.
cavealieniv 2 months ago
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Birgita 2 months ago
These disagreements over vibrato are just silly. A vibrato is part of a well-functioning singing voice. Sometime in the 1980s choral singers started turning the vibrato off. The production of the Diller singers is superb and the vibratos are natural and human. I sang with the San Francisco Symphony chorus, sans vibrato, while the string section continued producing vibrato. Is this inconsistent? No, just a matter of performance taste at this time.
4gregorysf 5 months ago
In not comparing Gesualdo to Wagner musically only the vibrato which can be more extreme in Wagnerian singers !
jaaaaaayynnee 5 months ago
This must have been ground-breaking stuff when the Deller consort recorded it, both musically challenging and also commercial, because not many people knew about Gesualdo and his style of music. There's no doubt that Youtube has opened up so much of Gesualdo's wonderful music for all to hear and so it's many thanks once again to jaaaaaayynnee et al for uploading these tracks and videos.
NiallMS 8 months ago
CREO QUE NADIE PODRIA SER CAPAZ DE EXPRESAR SEMEJANTE SENSACION.
altalaguerri666 9 months ago
I like it very much in this low tempo version ! I always instinctively thought it should be this slow. Very good all in all but the vibrato is very strong. Thats not that bad but i think a little less would not be wrong.
GrauenausderTiefe 10 months ago
when I heard this performance for the first time, I thought it was too slow. today I'm able to understand the tempo chosen, the flow of forces which this consort intend to put in action. by the way: I adore it.
kassurin 10 months ago
wow. this is a fantastic interpretation. i did not think that gesualdo madrigals could sound even more eerie.
dkfaust 11 months ago
EXCELLENT ENSEMBLE!!! What a composer! What a tortured life he had, but what music he created!!!! I wonder if Richard Wagner came across his music when he resided in Venice at the time of "Tristan". Stravinksy, too was overwhelmed by this composer, as am I!!!!
VariationsOnNoTheme 11 months ago
Amount of vibrato is a personal taste, and no insult was meant..just a personal opinion.
TheFlutegirl15 1 year ago
this is wild....
BeauJames59 1 year ago
The Vibrato is not extreme _ if you want extreme then listen to Wagner !
jaaaaaayynnee 1 year ago
How can you compare Gesualdo to Wagner??? This is absurd!
Birgita 5 months ago
@Birgita
Waldvogel91 5 months ago
@Birgita it makes PERCECT sense. If only the mad Prince wrote operas too...
Waldvogel91 5 months ago
Deller had such an impressive voice and distinct tone you can only follow his line... he draws you to listen only to him. Great man!!!!
amatorynumber 1 year ago 2
I think this group is very good, but honestly, let the extreme vibrato go! Its good in moderation, but this kind of music doesn't necessarily call for crazy vibrato from every voice all the time....ahg
TheFlutegirl15 1 year ago
@TheFlutegirl15 If only Alfred Deller could have lived long enough to be schooled by you in the YouTube comment section, I'm sure after searching for, and then instituting your corrections, he would have pulled this and re-recorded it and be FOREVER FRICKIN' GRATEFUL........NOT!
BeauJames59 1 year ago
Thanks for reminding me how great Gesualdo is.
Composerland 1 year ago
Awesome. It's deeper than most modern interpretations of Gesualdo.
raxmeger 1 year ago
I really like this verson,don't feel too slow at all
avivi0000 1 year ago
Thankyou below for the translation
FAB!!!
jaaaaaayynnee 1 year ago
likeatide 2 years ago 2
Lovely in its strangeness, but a beautiful and otherworldly rendering by this ensemble!
(Thanks to Kievest for directing me here!)
mariandelochs 2 years ago
I've heard lots of versions of this work but it works best slow - it really exposes the harmony and the tension it creates.
Regardless of this and whatever tempo people enjoy Gesualdo's music so keep listening to his music.
jaaaaaayynnee 2 years ago 2
Whatever one may think of the historical-stylistic aspects of this performance, it is still IMHO an inspired performance, like so much else of Deller's work. And although I would not enjoy other groups singing it at this tempo, yet I love Deller's group singing it at this tempo.
kkallebb 2 years ago
Waaaaaaay too slow. But otherwise nice sound!
isikenai 2 years ago
Singing of the most aching beauty, in-
timacy, emotional pain and psychic
devolution! Thank you for posting
this rare treasure!
Kievest 2 years ago
Many thanks for translation ! X
jaaaaaayynnee 2 years ago
Can someone translate the Spanish below ?
jaaaaaayynnee 2 years ago
It is a version very different from which I have listened, surely less stylistically correct so that it is known nowadays much more on the period of the life of the composer who when it was recorded. But it is a beautiful version!
Charlote61 2 years ago
Es una versión muy diferente a todas las que he escuchado, seguramente la menos "estilísticamente correcta" por que se sabe hoy en día mucho mas sobre el período de la vida de el compositor que cuando fue grabado. Pero es una versión hermosa!
tomatoso27 2 years ago
This ensemble, with fewer voices than in a whole choir allows to seize all the nuances of this complex and beautiful work.
Very well sung indeed.
ludowicovan 2 years ago 4
madness itself
awesome!
kv310 2 years ago
I think this music is fantastic - the opening chords!
So modern.
But this was a man in turmoil for murdering his wife.
Just wonderful & the Deller consort's special sound at this time was warm - perfect combination of voices!
jaaaaaayynnee 2 years ago