Everyone had a lot of injuries but the sevrety varies with T-Mac it basically ended hie career short. I think he and Arenas are the 2 affected by injuries the most, i think without injuries he could easily be the top player today
@ramennoodlechef Ya but vince is more known for his spectular inside post plays and his dunks more so than his scoring ability, but i agree they are also 2 players affected by injuries.
@gilless429 T-Mac is good but we have to admit he's not on Kobe's level. The latter has the intangibles which the former doesn't have. This from a Kobe hater.
@gilless429 Well I don't know you do not believe in reality. It's not like T-Mac's career was like Penny that we never saw his full potential, T-Mac played his prime but kept us waiting and waiting for that 'potential'. Never had the guts to show his A-game cum Playoffs time. He's just not on Kobe's level, fact.
@coolcut11 Alright, I was ready to leave it at : We don't agree, live and let live. But if you spew shit like that and say I "don't believe in reality", and say YOUR opinion is fact, then let's get to it : T-mac as he was before his injuries, was already as good as Kobe if not better. In his prime years, not only was his points per game stat around the same as Kobe's, but it was the same for his assists and steals stats, AND he got better blocks stats. Same for rebounds.
@gilless429 I really hope we're in the same page buddy, but sad to say you're just being biased. You're not looking at it wholly. And don't get me wrong, I like T-Mac 100x more than Kobe, he's been my compensation after Penny's lost, but we should consider that T-Mac, as much as I don't like to, is not on Kobe's level. You're basing everything from stats? That's ridiculous. It's the intangibles that makes them to a Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc. level. Kobe has tha,t T-Mac didn't and doesn't.
@coolcut11 You can't base yourself entirely on stats I agree, but ignoring them completely is stupid. The only thing Kobe has more than T-mac is that he copied Jordan's style, which makes it a lot more spectacular. And, also, he's been much more publicized. Everything else tends to show T-mac has a better level. Not the same difference as between Jordan and, say, Chalmers, far from it, but T-mac was on top when he didn't have to deal with injuries as far as I'm concerned.
@gilless429 Of course you can't base anything from stats, but Kobe and T-Mac they both have monstrous stats so the stats factor, we can cancel it now. So what's left? It's the intangibles. Throw that Jordan-thing outside the window, that's nonsense. T-Mac on top of everything else? Do you really believe in that? Besides stats, what else does T-Mac has that Kobe doesn't have? None. T-Mac has the greatest potential, yes, 8 years of playing, and still, that potential remained as potential.
@coolcut11 What does he have more ? Better three points shooting for starters. Better blocking skills too. And Kobe openly based his style on Jordan, it's not like some big woowoo secret or anything, it's just like that. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that it makes his playing style more spectacular, and that means more attention is brought to him.
And I think when T-mac was in his best shape, he was better than any other NBA player at that time, but not than MJ or Bird at their best.
@gilless429 WTF kid you don't even know what stats mean? "Better three pt shooting for starters, better blocking skills" -- those are also kinds of stats. ROFLMAO. And so, does that two things made him a better player than Kobe? And who cares about Kobe copying Jordan? We're not talking about being flashy here, it's the players' greatness. Kobe is a Playoff performer while T-Mac is a season performer. That's it. Bird, MJ live for the Playoffs, same as Kobe. T-Mac? Did he ever pass the 1st rd?
@coolcut11 "what else does T-Mac has that Kobe doesn't have?". Stats sheet or not he blocks and shoots 3s better. If you consider that stats talk, then what ISN'T stats talk ? If whatever part of the guy's game I bring up is stats talk, then noone has anything over anyone by those standards. What do you define as the non-stat, that has some kind of importance to judge a guy's skill level ?
And the bit about copying MJ was just a passing mention while telling what Kobe did different than T-mac.
@gilless429 I don't mean to be harsh dude but your basketball IQ is very low, you don't even know what statistics are. Blocks and 3FG % are stats, in fact blocks is considered one of the major statistical categories. I kept stressing that what makes Bird, Magic, MJ and Kobe on a different level is the INTANGIBLES. You don't know what stats mean so I don't expect you to know what intangibles mean. Well then, if you really believe T-Mac is better be it, I'm not surprised based on your IQ.
@coolcut11 You don't understand shit to what I say. I understand very well what stats are. But what is it exactly that makes a player good besides his stats ? Just saying : "It's the intangibles" doesn't mean shit, it just puts the question on hold. How can there be anything that makes someone good at basketball that is not seen in stats ? What isn't in stats that makes someone good ? Unless you can answer properly your argument falls apart, no matter how much you criticize my basketball IQ.
@gilless429 You keep saying you know what stats are when you're still pushing that 3FG% and blocks are not part of it. Jeez, this is what I'm saying, when someone knows about basketball once he sees or hears the word INTANGIBLES he knows what it is, but since you're, you know, I'll explain to you. Intangibles include clutch, leadership, composure, poise under pressure and the list goes on. Unfortunately, your BETTER THAN KOBE guy didn't and doesn't have any. He's just a stat-freak.
@coolcut11 Finally... You fucking finally said what you think the intangibles are... And no, I didn't keep insisting 3pt and blocks aren't stats you moronic idiot. Where do you see me saying that in my last comm for starters ? Nowhere. Cause I hadn't realized when I had first answered that you wanted NON-STATS factors. Then, you didn't say what you thought of as intangibles.
And would you please acting superior like that ? You're as arrogant as Paris Hilton in that last comment. ...cont...
@coolcut11 2nd part, read the first one too: Just a little thing : If those things are intangibles, they can't be measured. So you can't really know who has what more than who alright ? So how can we know whether Kobe has more of any of those than T-mac, is my question. You can't. You can judge from your personal, subjective opinion, but can't know. So how, in fucking hell do you DARE insult my intelligence over having another standpoint on that ? A subjective factor is by definition not fact.
@gilless429 I really hope I'm arguing with a 12 year old, 'cause if you're a grown-up I don't know how you grew up that old w/o gaining enough knowledge about the sport that you love. Of course I'm not the one who measured those INTANGIBLEs, it's them, it's their careers. We saw how T-Mac can't play during game 7s while Kobe made the Finals his personal playground. T-Mac can play great during the season but not during Playoffs--that's the reason he's not on Kobe's level. Simple logic bro.
@gilless429 I asked you besides stats what more can T-Mac has to offer then you said 3FG% and blocks for starters, which means you believe that the two categories you mentioned are not stats. You're not only, you know, you're also in denial. I'm sorry you have to gain knowledge the hard way.
@drod0886 It actually helps a lot. But what I'm pointing out here is TMac's succumbing to pressure. He had Yao and some other good players enough for him to make it at least in the semis, but we all saw how he didn't make it past the first.
@coolcut11 He did choke against Detroit having a 3-1 lead one year. But so did Kobe when they had a 3-1 lead against the Suns a while back.
He's always been injured come playoff time. He left on a stretcher against Charlotte. And if Tmac was healthy Yao wasn't. So that duo never took full force. 100% T-Mac >100% Kobe. Problem is T-Mac is made of glass while Kobe is granite.
@drod0886 Actually, the injury of T-Mac is a blessing in disguise. Now he has an excuse of not making it as one of the greatest. Kobe's team when they lost to the Suns in '06 was never a good team, it wasn't even a playoff team but they made it, while T-Mac's team is good to make it to the Semis. And he's not always injured, he started becoming prone in '08. He was there since '97.
McGrady didn't just suddenly become injury-prone. Injuries had already began taking their toll on him '08. There's a will to succeed Kobe has that T-Mac doesn't, but McGrady could have been even greater than he was had he stayed relatively healthy.
@Ginga When will people stop stressing that "what if T-Mac"? Dude, I'm a Penny and Grant Hill die hard fan but I never say things like "he will be better if, what if he didn't get injured.. " and the list goes on. That's what happened to their careers, period. And if you'll look closely, you can use that argument to Penny and Grant Hill, but not with T-Mac. He's healthy from 2000-2007 but he never made it past the 1st round. Accept it guys, accept it.
I'm not stressing about what could have been with T-Mac. Even with the injuries(he actually missed a significant amount of time as early as his second year and in '05), the man was still an amazing player. Him not being able to advance out of the first round is a bad blemish on his career and chalking it all up to injuries is foolish. There were times he simply didn't do enough and other times('07 play-offs) where he did all he could but was simply facing a better team.
@Ginga I agree in the early part of his career he was always facing better teams, way better. But the '05 and '07 Playoffs were just intolerable. In '05 they're evenly matched with Dallas while in '07 they're even favored against Utah. But the most significant part was he was terrific from games 1-6 (both series) but suddenly gone in the deciding games. That's how he is. I still believe the injuries are blessings, he now has an excuse of "what could have been" when in fact, there's nothing.
I can't comment on the '05 game but in '07, he was huge in the deciding game. Houston just couldn't stop Utah on defense.
I don't get your last sentence though. "Nothing"? Even with the play-off failures, he was an amazing player. 13 points in 30 seconds, scoring titles, a 60-point game, the guy had some great moments.
@Ginga Before we mislead ourselves, I'm also a T-Mac fan. I used to fool myself that he's Penny since he's in Orlando and he wore jersey no. 1. Yeah he's good, but I was here in the first place 'cause of those comparing him to Kobe, and when you say Kobe, it's all-time greats. What I mean with "nothing" is he's really just an exciting and explosive player, not one of the all-time greats. That nothing means with or without the injuries, NO "T-Mac as one of the all-time greats" will exist.
We can agree there. He's not all-time great. I think the reason a lot of people are hung up on whether he could have been all-time great is because of he was an undoubted all-time talent.Without the play-off success though, he still more than a lot of players have though.
@Ginga He's way beyond average. It's just a pity that a monster player like him could suddenly become a so-so 'cause of injuries. But again I can't imagine him playing healthy and spending 14 seasons in the NBA without making it past the 1st rd. It's more of a pity so on the brighter side, I really am thankful he got that injuries. He can use it as a cover-up.
damn, watching this video shows how bad Tmac's decline is, he was a prolific scorer and great talent, but injuries tore him down,now he is a bench player for a bad Detroit team..smh
@NotoriousYeshi i love tmac, but honestly i think he didnt put enough effort into developing his skills. whenever he needed it, he would just tap into his athletic ability; then when he got hurt, he lost his game and style of play.
@redtrex94 I can agree with that...but his style of play was real dependent on the athleticism...he got real good elevation on his jump shots and with his length and speend could go around defenders and finish at the rim, with the athleticism gone, he lost his quickness and his verticle, therefore his game took a big hit...only adjustment i see is for him to become a shooting specialist or something of the sort, but he hasnt done too good since his last healthy season in Houston
@TheLimitiedEdition23 He was a more consistent version of Kobe. He wasn't as explosive of a scorer and a touch below him on D, but he was more consistent, versatile, and more reliable.
@kobeb365 Kobe may have been a better on-ball defender but T-Mac was a better shot blocker. T-Mac was also a better rebounder and scored better than Kobe during that season, although Kobe had a better squad. Plus, T-Mac was just as clutch as Kobe. T-Mac has an edge over Kobe in passing. As for handles and breaking down defenders, T-Mac all the way.
@TheLimitiedEdition23 TMac was a crazy skilled and athletic dude, but he never was surrounded by the cast Kobe had. Injuries did eventually take his potential away but TMac was on his way to greatness. I think he would have flourished on the Lakers in place of Kobe. Prime TMac and dominant Shaq with good shooters all around; that would have been great to see.
@pbkic46 i know you all wanna blow Rik Smits. I'm pretty sure I was thinking of Jon Konkac not Rik Smits. Yeah Kwame is down there with Jon Konkac and Joe Wolf - that better? I'm only saying this for the third time now. Smits was a solid center and a former NBA all-star in 1998. I know he put up good numbers with the Pacers. I'm getting old - all the names of big white goofy centers in NBA history sometimes cluster-F*** into one giant Rik Smits. My bad.
@pbkic46 yeah he was in 98. dude you guys all wanna blow him or something? lol people keep sticking up for Rik Smits. I don't even remember saying he sucks. He was a solid player - nothing great. One time all star from what i remember.
I hope T-Mac comes to Orlando to start. Howard, R.Lewis, Carter, Nelson and T-Mac for cheap would be hard to stop even though R.Lewis is overated. Orlando needs T-Mac this offseason because there is no better F's in free agents that come by cheap i would take Dirk over Tracy but Tracy is worth noting anymore like he was 10 years ago
@Erikhaos ,He's showing some signs of his old self now back on the Detroit Pistons.Look at his highlights on his Detroit games.NOt fully there yet but he can still ball.Look out for the Kobe game tonight.
@jaydastar23 All right I'ma watch it, and yeah, since the big injury when he was on the Rockets he can't do shit like back then, but he's still ok though
@Campbewc yeah you're right Smits was actually a good player. he helped indiana get to the conference finals a few times and had some decent games against the knicks. got to the finals with them in 2000 and put up respectable numbers. kwame is more in joe wolf or jon koncak's league haha
@LamarMatic well i've only said this about fifteen times now but i meant to say Greg Kite not Rik Smits. I know Smits was good. I'm a Bulls fan we played against him a lot. He was an all star in 98. Solid big man. Read more comments dumb ass. Such an ignorant post LamarMatic. hahah
@DClem1 haha you're a fuckin genius. read more of the comments dumb ass. i agreed. i corrected myself and said Greg Kite but somehow my Rik Smits comment got 21 thumbs up.
And the people have spoken. banging your mom is like fuckin a bucket of water.
@animebrawler he had a respectable year in Charlotte for a back-up center... one of the best post defenders in the league tho? So you put him up there with KG, Dwight Howard, Kendrick Perkins? To me that's stretchin the truth. He had a shot in LA and he was booed right out of town. He did nothing in Detroit or Memphis (he was laughed out of both towns) .. now he's back with his maker, Mr. Jordan, in Charlottle... 7.9ppg 6.8rpg is respectable but only if he'd been doing that his whole career.
@animebrawler one more thing... he averages about 55 games played a season for his career.... why??? cuz he comes into training camp every year out of shape. he's a solid post defender and he had a good year - i hope he gets even better next year - but the guy's almost 30 years old now.... its not about developing him as a player anymore - he is who he is at this point - its a matter of him putting in the work and staying in shape in the off season...sorry but one of the best post defenders?? no
@lyc16 i know dude idk how that got like 32 thumbs up lol but i think i meant he's down there with Greg Kite. Smits was an all star in 98, he averaged around 15 points and 6 boards for his career.... Kwame's not even in his league.
@moose423 lol exactly. i am by no mean saying rik smit is a great player nor i love him. but to compare kawme brown to him is just an insult to rik smit that rik does not deserve lol . kwame brown should be in his own league lol
@Anttheladd7 maybe you should try reading my last few comments? i don't care if he's your nigga or not he sucks dude. he could have worked a lot harder than he did. just start with the fact he only plays about 55 games a season.... hmmmmmmmm he's either a 29 year old with weak knees or he comes into the season out of shape and misses a lot of games (or just isn't good enough to get in the games even if he does suit up) like i said tho read my last few commets.
You're right. He's not the worst - just biggest disappointment. Jordan shouldn't have drafted him #1 overall. He should have gone with Pau, but he didin't want another lanky tall white guy in his way in the lane when he drove to the basket (ala Will Perdue). If Brown were drafted where he should have been (top ten) he probably would have had a solid career. He showed potential early in his second & third season. Jordan and Collins broke him. He's a "solid" big man now..r u Kwame Brown???
Out of all the names Bill Walton named, only Kobe remains as a dominant force.
harriszsultan 1 week ago
did i just see hubert davis?
Shunoo13 3 weeks ago
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Shunoo13 3 weeks ago
not to belittle tmac because hes great and i <3 him but who hasnt dunked on kwame
lakerlover48 1 month ago
Everyone had a lot of injuries but the sevrety varies with T-Mac it basically ended hie career short. I think he and Arenas are the 2 affected by injuries the most, i think without injuries he could easily be the top player today
KanameKashita 1 month ago
@KanameKashita you forgot VC and also Penny Hardaway.
ramennoodlechef 6 days ago
@ramennoodlechef Ya but vince is more known for his spectular inside post plays and his dunks more so than his scoring ability, but i agree they are also 2 players affected by injuries.
KanameKashita 6 days ago
CrazZzy McGrady! Luv ya mac you're still no.1 in our hearts.
NuttyErika 3 months ago
LOL and the lizards are within 2.
ChrisTheBaller12 3 months ago
00:07 "and the lizards are within 2?"
coonballoon 3 months ago
lmao Allen iversiooon
alcoholicsemenspill9 4 months ago
How do you stop that!
youngdadd 4 months ago
I remember the days where T Mac dunked on someone every single night he played because it was just so easy for him. Damn I miss those days.
Tlev1984 4 months ago
i thought robert horry was a fat chris tucker
SlySniperFox 4 months ago
kwame brown ? xaxaxaxaxa
jnisiotis 4 months ago
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i wish he stayed healthy! he could be in the hall of fame after he retires, easily!!!
peplajso 4 months ago
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peplajso 4 months ago
That was awesome...especially the second dunk
CarmelotheSnake 4 months ago
Mcgrady would be on Kobe's level if it wasn't for all his injuries
Jeremiah2305 5 months ago
@Jeremiah2305 i agree. he might be a jordan of this era if he just stays healthy..
sawakadin 5 months ago
@Jeremiah2305 Actually I think he might have been better than him. Bloody shame we'll never get to see who's right.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 T-Mac is good but we have to admit he's not on Kobe's level. The latter has the intangibles which the former doesn't have. This from a Kobe hater.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 I guess we disagree on that one. And this is from a non-Kobe hater. =)
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 Well I don't know you do not believe in reality. It's not like T-Mac's career was like Penny that we never saw his full potential, T-Mac played his prime but kept us waiting and waiting for that 'potential'. Never had the guts to show his A-game cum Playoffs time. He's just not on Kobe's level, fact.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 Alright, I was ready to leave it at : We don't agree, live and let live. But if you spew shit like that and say I "don't believe in reality", and say YOUR opinion is fact, then let's get to it : T-mac as he was before his injuries, was already as good as Kobe if not better. In his prime years, not only was his points per game stat around the same as Kobe's, but it was the same for his assists and steals stats, AND he got better blocks stats. Same for rebounds.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 I really hope we're in the same page buddy, but sad to say you're just being biased. You're not looking at it wholly. And don't get me wrong, I like T-Mac 100x more than Kobe, he's been my compensation after Penny's lost, but we should consider that T-Mac, as much as I don't like to, is not on Kobe's level. You're basing everything from stats? That's ridiculous. It's the intangibles that makes them to a Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc. level. Kobe has tha,t T-Mac didn't and doesn't.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 You can't base yourself entirely on stats I agree, but ignoring them completely is stupid. The only thing Kobe has more than T-mac is that he copied Jordan's style, which makes it a lot more spectacular. And, also, he's been much more publicized. Everything else tends to show T-mac has a better level. Not the same difference as between Jordan and, say, Chalmers, far from it, but T-mac was on top when he didn't have to deal with injuries as far as I'm concerned.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 Of course you can't base anything from stats, but Kobe and T-Mac they both have monstrous stats so the stats factor, we can cancel it now. So what's left? It's the intangibles. Throw that Jordan-thing outside the window, that's nonsense. T-Mac on top of everything else? Do you really believe in that? Besides stats, what else does T-Mac has that Kobe doesn't have? None. T-Mac has the greatest potential, yes, 8 years of playing, and still, that potential remained as potential.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 What does he have more ? Better three points shooting for starters. Better blocking skills too. And Kobe openly based his style on Jordan, it's not like some big woowoo secret or anything, it's just like that. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that it makes his playing style more spectacular, and that means more attention is brought to him.
And I think when T-mac was in his best shape, he was better than any other NBA player at that time, but not than MJ or Bird at their best.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 WTF kid you don't even know what stats mean? "Better three pt shooting for starters, better blocking skills" -- those are also kinds of stats. ROFLMAO. And so, does that two things made him a better player than Kobe? And who cares about Kobe copying Jordan? We're not talking about being flashy here, it's the players' greatness. Kobe is a Playoff performer while T-Mac is a season performer. That's it. Bird, MJ live for the Playoffs, same as Kobe. T-Mac? Did he ever pass the 1st rd?
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 "what else does T-Mac has that Kobe doesn't have?". Stats sheet or not he blocks and shoots 3s better. If you consider that stats talk, then what ISN'T stats talk ? If whatever part of the guy's game I bring up is stats talk, then noone has anything over anyone by those standards. What do you define as the non-stat, that has some kind of importance to judge a guy's skill level ?
And the bit about copying MJ was just a passing mention while telling what Kobe did different than T-mac.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 I don't mean to be harsh dude but your basketball IQ is very low, you don't even know what statistics are. Blocks and 3FG % are stats, in fact blocks is considered one of the major statistical categories. I kept stressing that what makes Bird, Magic, MJ and Kobe on a different level is the INTANGIBLES. You don't know what stats mean so I don't expect you to know what intangibles mean. Well then, if you really believe T-Mac is better be it, I'm not surprised based on your IQ.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 You don't understand shit to what I say. I understand very well what stats are. But what is it exactly that makes a player good besides his stats ? Just saying : "It's the intangibles" doesn't mean shit, it just puts the question on hold. How can there be anything that makes someone good at basketball that is not seen in stats ? What isn't in stats that makes someone good ? Unless you can answer properly your argument falls apart, no matter how much you criticize my basketball IQ.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 You keep saying you know what stats are when you're still pushing that 3FG% and blocks are not part of it. Jeez, this is what I'm saying, when someone knows about basketball once he sees or hears the word INTANGIBLES he knows what it is, but since you're, you know, I'll explain to you. Intangibles include clutch, leadership, composure, poise under pressure and the list goes on. Unfortunately, your BETTER THAN KOBE guy didn't and doesn't have any. He's just a stat-freak.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 Finally... You fucking finally said what you think the intangibles are... And no, I didn't keep insisting 3pt and blocks aren't stats you moronic idiot. Where do you see me saying that in my last comm for starters ? Nowhere. Cause I hadn't realized when I had first answered that you wanted NON-STATS factors. Then, you didn't say what you thought of as intangibles.
And would you please acting superior like that ? You're as arrogant as Paris Hilton in that last comment. ...cont...
gilless429 4 months ago
@coolcut11 2nd part, read the first one too: Just a little thing : If those things are intangibles, they can't be measured. So you can't really know who has what more than who alright ? So how can we know whether Kobe has more of any of those than T-mac, is my question. You can't. You can judge from your personal, subjective opinion, but can't know. So how, in fucking hell do you DARE insult my intelligence over having another standpoint on that ? A subjective factor is by definition not fact.
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 I really hope I'm arguing with a 12 year old, 'cause if you're a grown-up I don't know how you grew up that old w/o gaining enough knowledge about the sport that you love. Of course I'm not the one who measured those INTANGIBLEs, it's them, it's their careers. We saw how T-Mac can't play during game 7s while Kobe made the Finals his personal playground. T-Mac can play great during the season but not during Playoffs--that's the reason he's not on Kobe's level. Simple logic bro.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@gilless429 I asked you besides stats what more can T-Mac has to offer then you said 3FG% and blocks for starters, which means you believe that the two categories you mentioned are not stats. You're not only, you know, you're also in denial. I'm sorry you have to gain knowledge the hard way.
coolcut11 4 months ago
@coolcut11 Having Shaq on your side helps a bit.
drod0886 2 months ago
@drod0886 It actually helps a lot. But what I'm pointing out here is TMac's succumbing to pressure. He had Yao and some other good players enough for him to make it at least in the semis, but we all saw how he didn't make it past the first.
coolcut11 2 months ago
@coolcut11 He did choke against Detroit having a 3-1 lead one year. But so did Kobe when they had a 3-1 lead against the Suns a while back.
He's always been injured come playoff time. He left on a stretcher against Charlotte. And if Tmac was healthy Yao wasn't. So that duo never took full force. 100% T-Mac >100% Kobe. Problem is T-Mac is made of glass while Kobe is granite.
drod0886 2 months ago
@drod0886 Actually, the injury of T-Mac is a blessing in disguise. Now he has an excuse of not making it as one of the greatest. Kobe's team when they lost to the Suns in '06 was never a good team, it wasn't even a playoff team but they made it, while T-Mac's team is good to make it to the Semis. And he's not always injured, he started becoming prone in '08. He was there since '97.
coolcut11 2 months ago
@coolcut11
McGrady didn't just suddenly become injury-prone. Injuries had already began taking their toll on him '08. There's a will to succeed Kobe has that T-Mac doesn't, but McGrady could have been even greater than he was had he stayed relatively healthy.
Ginga 1 month ago
@Ginga When will people stop stressing that "what if T-Mac"? Dude, I'm a Penny and Grant Hill die hard fan but I never say things like "he will be better if, what if he didn't get injured.. " and the list goes on. That's what happened to their careers, period. And if you'll look closely, you can use that argument to Penny and Grant Hill, but not with T-Mac. He's healthy from 2000-2007 but he never made it past the 1st round. Accept it guys, accept it.
coolcut11 1 month ago
@coolcut11
I'm not stressing about what could have been with T-Mac. Even with the injuries(he actually missed a significant amount of time as early as his second year and in '05), the man was still an amazing player. Him not being able to advance out of the first round is a bad blemish on his career and chalking it all up to injuries is foolish. There were times he simply didn't do enough and other times('07 play-offs) where he did all he could but was simply facing a better team.
Ginga 1 month ago
@Ginga I agree in the early part of his career he was always facing better teams, way better. But the '05 and '07 Playoffs were just intolerable. In '05 they're evenly matched with Dallas while in '07 they're even favored against Utah. But the most significant part was he was terrific from games 1-6 (both series) but suddenly gone in the deciding games. That's how he is. I still believe the injuries are blessings, he now has an excuse of "what could have been" when in fact, there's nothing.
coolcut11 1 month ago
@coolcut11
I can't comment on the '05 game but in '07, he was huge in the deciding game. Houston just couldn't stop Utah on defense.
I don't get your last sentence though. "Nothing"? Even with the play-off failures, he was an amazing player. 13 points in 30 seconds, scoring titles, a 60-point game, the guy had some great moments.
Ginga 1 month ago
@Ginga Before we mislead ourselves, I'm also a T-Mac fan. I used to fool myself that he's Penny since he's in Orlando and he wore jersey no. 1. Yeah he's good, but I was here in the first place 'cause of those comparing him to Kobe, and when you say Kobe, it's all-time greats. What I mean with "nothing" is he's really just an exciting and explosive player, not one of the all-time greats. That nothing means with or without the injuries, NO "T-Mac as one of the all-time greats" will exist.
coolcut11 1 month ago
@coolcut11
We can agree there. He's not all-time great. I think the reason a lot of people are hung up on whether he could have been all-time great is because of he was an undoubted all-time talent.Without the play-off success though, he still more than a lot of players have though.
Ginga 1 month ago
@Ginga He's way beyond average. It's just a pity that a monster player like him could suddenly become a so-so 'cause of injuries. But again I can't imagine him playing healthy and spending 14 seasons in the NBA without making it past the 1st rd. It's more of a pity so on the brighter side, I really am thankful he got that injuries. He can use it as a cover-up.
coolcut11 1 month ago
Bring back NBA on NBC, fuck ABC
BIGBOSS1983100 5 months ago
Kwame Brown, the biggest mistake in the history of Basketball.
kanguesso 5 months ago
The coaches reaction at the end was priceless lmao
PrinceCorbinTV 5 months ago
damn, watching this video shows how bad Tmac's decline is, he was a prolific scorer and great talent, but injuries tore him down,now he is a bench player for a bad Detroit team..smh
NotoriousYeshi 5 months ago
@NotoriousYeshi i love tmac, but honestly i think he didnt put enough effort into developing his skills. whenever he needed it, he would just tap into his athletic ability; then when he got hurt, he lost his game and style of play.
redtrex94 5 months ago
@redtrex94 I can agree with that...but his style of play was real dependent on the athleticism...he got real good elevation on his jump shots and with his length and speend could go around defenders and finish at the rim, with the athleticism gone, he lost his quickness and his verticle, therefore his game took a big hit...only adjustment i see is for him to become a shooting specialist or something of the sort, but he hasnt done too good since his last healthy season in Houston
NotoriousYeshi 5 months ago
0:19 the best indeed.
MrlhOise 6 months ago
That was just an aerial assault on the rim.
jagemobe 6 months ago
0:30 - 0:35 = Typical Kwame Brown
kralcnamron 6 months ago 27
Kwame Brown < Cobe Karl
Wahhoooo22 6 months ago
kwame....worst draft ever.
derrty42 6 months ago
holy crap i forgot mac grady used to do that
SWTV2K11 7 months ago
LMAO kwame brown tryin to post up :31-:37
JamesGS23 7 months ago 2
Why was Bill Walton talking about the last two minutes of the ball game and it wasn't even halftime yet?! LOL
iHypeTV 7 months ago
kwame sucks
Salva46 8 months ago
T-Mac was probably better than kobe back then... injuries took away his career
TheLimitiedEdition23 8 months ago 70
@TheLimitiedEdition23 he wasnt better but he was nasty
artfuldodger11100 7 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 He was a more consistent version of Kobe. He wasn't as explosive of a scorer and a touch below him on D, but he was more consistent, versatile, and more reliable.
Derek70388 6 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 maybe as good as a scorer as kobe butnot a better player
kobeb365 4 months ago
@kobeb365 At that time, T-Mac was better than Kobe... Whether you look at the stat sheet or watched the games.
SmoothMM 3 months ago
@SmoothMM kobe was a better defender, passer, they both had around the same ppg and kobe was more clutch.
kobeb365 3 months ago
@kobeb365 Kobe may have been a better on-ball defender but T-Mac was a better shot blocker. T-Mac was also a better rebounder and scored better than Kobe during that season, although Kobe had a better squad. Plus, T-Mac was just as clutch as Kobe. T-Mac has an edge over Kobe in passing. As for handles and breaking down defenders, T-Mac all the way.
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@TheLimitiedEdition23 maybe as good as a scorer as kobe butnot a better player
kobeb365 4 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 TMac was a crazy skilled and athletic dude, but he never was surrounded by the cast Kobe had. Injuries did eventually take his potential away but TMac was on his way to greatness. I think he would have flourished on the Lakers in place of Kobe. Prime TMac and dominant Shaq with good shooters all around; that would have been great to see.
Shermstyle23 3 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 he was
israbiu 2 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 I think you mean kwame brown was better than kobe
123212go 2 months ago
@TheLimitiedEdition23 i used to say this but Kobe had his share of injuries as well.
tmac13in34 1 month ago
Popeye Jones>Kwame Brown
SchmerzUndFeuer 8 months ago
kwame brown disliked this video
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TheROCKapple 9 months ago
lol 10 years later Hamilton and T-Mac are on the same team
adi1096 9 months ago
hes like the old brandon roy.. but now adays they publicize stars on teams more
abyss213k 9 months ago
Damnnnnnn, now i realise why everyone misses old t-mac.
Anttheladd7 10 months ago
vintage tmac.
billiedanny 11 months ago
@billiedanny So how is Tracy McGrady doing these days anyways?
MrBlair56 10 months ago
@MrBlair56 hobbled with injuries its really sad actually..................
moose423 10 months ago
lol doug collins
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This is the T-Mac I miss watching.
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kayu38 1 year ago 2
I agree with the commentators.
oAwesomeAndrew 1 year ago
just like in nba 2k3 ;)
josejoe123 1 year ago 2
i love him so much but this will all be history now...
kaede23 1 year ago
He's so tall he can almost touch the rim on his tippy toes. :P
megatroll 1 year ago
I recon Jeff Van gundy and Marv Albert are better in the lay up line then Kwame Brown.
Diamontoplis 1 year ago
I can imagine what MJ was thinking after the first dunk. Then i can imagine what he was thinking after Kwames crazy shot attempt.
32JSE 1 year ago
Since when does Will Smith play for the Magic? haha
1stlakerfan 1 year ago 24
@1stlakerfan I thought Robert Horry is Will :)
BMACPOLAND1 1 year ago 35
@1stlakerfan LOL
Erikhaos 1 year ago
@1stlakerfan If Will Was An Evil Silent Heroin Doped Assasin Then Maybe He Could Be T-MAC THE GREAT
PlowThrough8 11 months ago
"facial on Kwame Brown" LOL
adi1096 1 year ago
thats kwame on his prime.. haha
kentotzz 1 year ago
@kentotzz LMAO THUMBS UP
ctx60 1 year ago
@pbkic46 i know you all wanna blow Rik Smits. I'm pretty sure I was thinking of Jon Konkac not Rik Smits. Yeah Kwame is down there with Jon Konkac and Joe Wolf - that better? I'm only saying this for the third time now. Smits was a solid center and a former NBA all-star in 1998. I know he put up good numbers with the Pacers. I'm getting old - all the names of big white goofy centers in NBA history sometimes cluster-F*** into one giant Rik Smits. My bad.
moose423 1 year ago
correction... Jon Koncak.... i think
moose423 1 year ago
@pbkic46 yeah he was in 98. dude you guys all wanna blow him or something? lol people keep sticking up for Rik Smits. I don't even remember saying he sucks. He was a solid player - nothing great. One time all star from what i remember.
moose423 1 year ago
rik smits was great
ASAManifesto 1 year ago
the days when vince carter was mentioned in top players
chrissmooveJR 1 year ago
@chrissmooveJR these were the days mcgrady was even mentioned in a game
whomiketrann 1 year ago
nba on nbc.....sigh*
jlee222ballin 1 year ago
damn
prieto2409 1 year ago
remember tha times?...
aarondoug1 1 year ago
2 bad he wasnt this good wen he came to houston his back was already mess up.
DecaMMM 1 year ago
dayum i miss a prime t-mac, may be the sickest player i have ever seen
mjharleem 1 year ago
kwame brown was not late on the rotation he justs sucks lol
kothftw 1 year ago
Maybe next time M.J.
wcmaster26 1 year ago
Doug Collins: yo kwayme wtf are u doing son,fukin retard
at the end lol
stevechen1991 1 year ago
i miss him too!!!!hope he is strong as before!!Go iDol T-mac!Ur da man!!And im the next T-mac!
kenut012 1 year ago
I hope T-Mac comes to Orlando to start. Howard, R.Lewis, Carter, Nelson and T-Mac for cheap would be hard to stop even though R.Lewis is overated. Orlando needs T-Mac this offseason because there is no better F's in free agents that come by cheap i would take Dirk over Tracy but Tracy is worth noting anymore like he was 10 years ago
Crabman2186 1 year ago
i wish he never got a injury cuzz hed be shitting on bryant james all of them
TrayCook20 1 year ago
T-Mac is coming back! Its over!
trunks06 1 year ago
2010-2011 the T-Mac attack will come back
curryboy7 1 year ago
T-Mac to the rackkk!!!!!
traverter 1 year ago
That facial was NASTY
xYellowFlashx 2 years ago 3
didnt you used to have this mcgrady full game highlight ? i miss it lol
paigem2127 2 years ago
tmac was soooo good
4everlove100 2 years ago 3
man i miss T-Mac so much.
jaydastar23 2 years ago 91
@jaydastar23 So do I boy...
Erikhaos 1 year ago
@Erikhaos ,He's showing some signs of his old self now back on the Detroit Pistons.Look at his highlights on his Detroit games.NOt fully there yet but he can still ball.Look out for the Kobe game tonight.
jaydastar23 1 year ago
@jaydastar23 All right I'ma watch it, and yeah, since the big injury when he was on the Rockets he can't do shit like back then, but he's still ok though
Erikhaos 1 year ago
@jaydastar23 the OLD Tmac
Htown9611 1 year ago
@jaydastar23 a healthy T-mac is at least on par with kobe
Bennymac99 8 months ago 2
lol kwame brown is one of the worst players ever in the nba... i mean he's down there with rik smits
moose423 2 years ago 38
worst drath pick ever lol that fool need college d league some etra help or something lmao hes trash
TrayCook20 1 year ago
@moose423
No way. Smits was actually a valuable contributor to those Pacers teams. Brown has sucked from day 1.
Campbewc 1 year ago
@Campbewc yeah you're right Smits was actually a good player. he helped indiana get to the conference finals a few times and had some decent games against the knicks. got to the finals with them in 2000 and put up respectable numbers. kwame is more in joe wolf or jon koncak's league haha
moose423 1 year ago
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moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 funny seeing how rik smits for his career averages 15 ppg dont ever put kwame in the same sentence as smits
1DJSTUNNA1 1 year ago
@1DJSTUNNA1 funny how i still get comments on that shit lol... i agree i think i was trying to say jon konkac not smits STUNNA haha
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 i figured you were mistaking smits with another player lol
1DJSTUNNA1 1 year ago
@moose423 he was just to big to play in high school but in the nba
aidsanity 1 year ago
@aidsanity what r u talkin about
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 sorry, i typed in wrong, i meant kwame brown was just to big to play in high school so he played in the nba
aidsanity 1 year ago
@aidsanity haha somebody should have told him college basketball existed maybe he could have worked on his game there a lil bit.
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423
Ah Come on... That post move wasn't bad....
Except when he lost the ball and was blocked... ;) lmao
Kidz24 1 year ago
@moose423 Rik Smits? He averaged about 15 points through out the whole 90s. Such an ignorant post.
LamarMatic 1 year ago
@LamarMatic well i've only said this about fifteen times now but i meant to say Greg Kite not Rik Smits. I know Smits was good. I'm a Bulls fan we played against him a lot. He was an all star in 98. Solid big man. Read more comments dumb ass. Such an ignorant post LamarMatic. hahah
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 Alright, my bad. But why the hell it is up there as the 2nd best comment!? :)
LamarMatic 1 year ago
@LamarMatic lol i have no idea
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 Comparing Rik Smits to Kwame Brown is like comparing Detlef Schrempf to Michael Olowokandi. Your post is lame my friend.
DClem1 1 year ago
@DClem1 i don't think its lame... its like comparing your mom's vag to a bucket of water.... its exaggerated but not completely untrue
and if you've never heard the term its "fucking her is like fucking a bucket of water"
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 I think the people have spoken Moose. Your comparision is bad.
DClem1 1 year ago
@DClem1 haha you're a fuckin genius. read more of the comments dumb ass. i agreed. i corrected myself and said Greg Kite but somehow my Rik Smits comment got 21 thumbs up.
And the people have spoken. banging your mom is like fuckin a bucket of water.
moose423 1 year ago
@moose423 dude Rik Smits was good he was an All Star too
darab123456789 1 year ago
@moose423 Thats a huge stereotype. He's a solid role player now and one of the best post defenders in the league.
animebrawler 11 months ago
@animebrawler he had a respectable year in Charlotte for a back-up center... one of the best post defenders in the league tho? So you put him up there with KG, Dwight Howard, Kendrick Perkins? To me that's stretchin the truth. He had a shot in LA and he was booed right out of town. He did nothing in Detroit or Memphis (he was laughed out of both towns) .. now he's back with his maker, Mr. Jordan, in Charlottle... 7.9ppg 6.8rpg is respectable but only if he'd been doing that his whole career.
moose423 10 months ago
@animebrawler one more thing... he averages about 55 games played a season for his career.... why??? cuz he comes into training camp every year out of shape. he's a solid post defender and he had a good year - i hope he gets even better next year - but the guy's almost 30 years old now.... its not about developing him as a player anymore - he is who he is at this point - its a matter of him putting in the work and staying in shape in the off season...sorry but one of the best post defenders?? no
moose423 10 months ago 5
@moose423 ,,,rik smits was an all star.... kwame brown isn't even close to a quater of rik smits
lyc16 10 months ago
@lyc16 i know dude idk how that got like 32 thumbs up lol but i think i meant he's down there with Greg Kite. Smits was an all star in 98, he averaged around 15 points and 6 boards for his career.... Kwame's not even in his league.
moose423 10 months ago
@moose423 lol exactly. i am by no mean saying rik smit is a great player nor i love him. but to compare kawme brown to him is just an insult to rik smit that rik does not deserve lol . kwame brown should be in his own league lol
lyc16 10 months ago
@moose423 Prove it.
Anttheladd7 10 months ago
@Anttheladd7 prove what
moose423 10 months ago
@moose423 That Kwame (My Nigga) is one of the worst players ever in the nba.
Anttheladd7 10 months ago
@Anttheladd7 maybe you should try reading my last few comments? i don't care if he's your nigga or not he sucks dude. he could have worked a lot harder than he did. just start with the fact he only plays about 55 games a season.... hmmmmmmmm he's either a 29 year old with weak knees or he comes into the season out of shape and misses a lot of games (or just isn't good enough to get in the games even if he does suit up) like i said tho read my last few commets.
moose423 10 months ago
@moose423 Lol settle down.. Kwame Ain't the worst. he can't be.
Anttheladd7 9 months ago
You're right. He's not the worst - just biggest disappointment. Jordan shouldn't have drafted him #1 overall. He should have gone with Pau, but he didin't want another lanky tall white guy in his way in the lane when he drove to the basket (ala Will Perdue). If Brown were drafted where he should have been (top ten) he probably would have had a solid career. He showed potential early in his second & third season. Jordan and Collins broke him. He's a "solid" big man now..r u Kwame Brown???
moose423 9 months ago
@moose423 Lol no i just think he's not the worst player. If he was the worst then he wouldn't be still playing in the nba
Anttheladd7 9 months ago
@Anttheladd7 LOL Greg Kite played in the NBA for 12 years!! He averaged 2.5 points, 3.8 rebounds in about 15 mi