himara during the ottoman times was an "albanian vilayet", the problem is that the last 3000 the inhabitants are greeks.of course there were (and still there are) albanians, however all the sources prove that the majority were greeks.
Like in two other villages in the region (Himara and Palasa), the daily language for the Drimadhiotes is a vulgar form of Greek. Albanian comes second. A hypothesis for this is that Himariotes are a Greek minority. Another hypothesis is that the Greek was adopted as working language during Turkish attempts to occupy the place and the Himariotes were forced to flee in the neighboring Greek islands as well as during the trade with them, especially Corfu.
. In 167 B.C., it was a Roman naval base. Julius Caesar was the first great leader that set his foot in the beach near Drimadhes in his battle against Pompeus and it is said that while he is sailing close to these dangerous Acroceraunian shores pronounce the famous sentences to his sailors "Don't fear as you are carrying the Caesar and his luck". For a certain period, Himara was under the Bulgarian rule (904 AD).
The foundation of the village is lost in the history. Himara, where Dhermi is included, has been inhabited by the Epirote tribe of Chaonians. Philip of Macedonia (father of Alexander the Great) attacked Himara in 214 BC. In 167 B.C., it was a Roman naval base.
e Skanderbeg Division was formed and trained in Kosovo and was made up mostly of muslim Shqiptar Kossovars. There were only a small number of Albanians from Albania proper in the division. The Skanderbeg Mountain Division of the Wafen SS was thus essentially a Kosovo or Kosmet Division. The Division was stationed and operated in Kosovo and other Serbian regions almost exclusively.
po keta moterqirat greke skane emer piro po spiro eshte me se kuptushme qe nga greku i thone vorjo ipro ne nga shqiperia i themi epiri dhe pirua ishte SHQIPTAR o moterqira grek kur do te kuptoni apo kur tu ve kufiri ne pater
himara will be greek only in dreams!!!! read you greek(arab) bastards the video the guy its giving facts names of writers dates and biside that the all world knows that albanians never invaded other territories,,,,never fought a war for inviding another country
koloalvanoi gamo tin mana sas...tsirakia twn tourkwn twn germanwn kai twn amerikanwn...mia zoi oi tsoules tous eisastan kai tha eiste..apolitistoi kai akamathdes...mono gia na douleuoun sta mpourdela oi kores sas kai oi gynaikes sas aksizetai!!!
koloalvanoi gamo tin mana sas...tsirakia twn tourkwn twn germanwn kai twn amerikanwn...mia zoi oi tsoules tous eisastan kai tha eiste..apolitistoi kai akamathdes...mono gia na douleuoun sta mpourdela oi kores sas kai oi gynaikes sas aksizetai!!!
CRIME INDEX Acted by “Albanian Political Administration System” (“K.S.I.L.I.A.”) Murdered by Tsamis, either alone or in collaboration with the Occupation armed forces: 632 Disappeared and taken as hostages: 428 Rapes of women and girls: 209 Kidnaps: 31 Houses burnt down: 2.332 Entirely looted villages: 53 Plundered sheep and goats: 37.556 Oxen: 9.285 Horses: 4.148 Poultry (counting only a few villages): 30.000 Beehives: 742
ata shkerdhatat nga himara qe mendojne se jan grek te ken kujdes se zoti i deno me ferr nese e mohojne gjakun e tyre te shejnt shqiptar....gjithcka ndrysho, feja etj por gjaku kurr..
gjaku i shqiptarit edhe nese derdhet prap nuk humb...
Dua te informoj te gjithe Shqipetaret qe jetojne dhe punojne ne greqi se: Me qetesi dhe pa rene ne sy duhet te terheqin Parate qe kane futur ne Bankat greke sa me Shpejt te jete e mundur, se ka shume mundesi qe shteti grek me Hilera tja Sekuestroje. Ngaqe greqia eshte ne prag te inflacionit. Lajmeroni dhe te aferm, miq e shoke sa s`eshte vone.
i wonder if you are as tough face to face, to say something like that,,,,grow up and dont cus specialy if you can not back it up face face... you little faker, i so wish i meet of of you face to face here in london...
lol it funny with greeks you know.. they even addopted our national costume cuz we FREED them and they reject us and what we have done for them.. they forget that if it wasnt for Albanians they would be speaking turkish right now
koloalvana turkospermata den ehete kamia shesi me tous ilirius oute mia triho apo tarhidiatus den ehete to katalawate pastardi-- koloturki isaste .......kai tha sas swisome mia mera apo ton harti ton valkanion pomakia ----
first of all the double headed eagle was albanian before it belonged to greece i have a book written by a very credible writer who explains the history of the eagle it will actually blow your mind its very interesting but long story fuck all greeks RNOFT SHQIPERIA JA QISHJA NONEN PILDH!!!!! and yeah we fought wit nazis motherfucker because were the only country thats down n brutal like that we kill all you fucken gayreeks!!!!!
The double-headed eagle motif was used as the emblem of the Byzantine Empire during the 14th and 15th centuries, when ruled by the Palaiologos Dynasty. Double-headed eagle emblem of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, based on insignia of the Byzantine Empire. The head on the left (West) symbolizes Rome, the head on the right (East) symbolizes Constantinople.
the albanian populace was way more important and significant in both the eastern and western empire than the grekogipsy one... just cause ur a dirty orthodox today, doesnt give u the right to claim all the achievements by the western or the eastern empire, now stfu retard, go lie to ur uneducated gipsy race cause they're the only ones capable of believing such bullshit
ur said dykefalos, very said... sad little ethiopian gypsi who wants to be greek so badly... rofl
check out the greek students that hang out together in every college campus across the US, and if u(well u wont admit it ROFL), or another other westerner wont think they're some type of middle easterners or arabs, or some type of turks, ill go jump off of the empire state building... and ur calling us a mixed inbred turko-asiatic race??? ROFL!!!!
Turks, the Albanians conquerors, called Albanians, ARNAUD's, which mean "Forbiden to retrieve back" as albanians soldiers and officers never turned back in battles, when they fought for Ottomans in Nizam system
HA. Bring your passport when you enter Cameria you mongolian piece of shit. Your race of pederasts will be exterminated, and should any of you remain, you will be subject to a program of forced sterilization so that you cannot pollute the world with your genetic defects.
@superouaou fuck you bitch but you know the truth that if you motherfuking greeks want to enter himara you have to bring your passport with you and you better have a fucking visa as well cos your fucking greek passport is not valid anymore without a visa greece is going down this is why you do propaganda in albania cos you are finished bitches of europe you come from egypt you cunts fuck you nigga race, himara was, is and always will be albanian dispite all greek government propaganda
@superouaou Barbarian language? Our names are not Yannoulatos or Papadopoulos hahaha, Greek is a language which a normal people couldn't ever learn, Greeks are related with Ethopians and Egypts, some Greeks i know are dark, darker than Turks .. the white Greeks are mostly Albanians, some are Slavs or other Eurpeans. You are a mixed people, fake history (Albanian) and with lots of Homosexual people.
jason stfu, only a matter of time before cameria gets back in the hands of the ppl that it belongs... usually forcefully conquered places, whose ethnic inhabitans are treated like shit, dont seem to stand occupied for a long time...
fuckin pathetic pieces of shit, no wonder u call serbs ur brothers...
you are telling lies...there are documents that show that himara was,is and wiil steel greek whatever you do!shut up and don't sai all these fucking lies!you are what you feel and himara is and feels greek!!!!!!!!!!!!! this from himaragirl
like the good dogs that u are, obeyed ur masters, payed ur annual tax and didnt bother them much...
where as the albanian popullation was never totally subdued... hence the forcefully conversion of the ppl from catholic to muslim.. turks thought that it would bring an end to local uprisings, but as history proved it, never did...
now stfu and accept the truth, for it shall set u free....
greeks didnt do shit during the ottoman conquest of the ballkans, no one really did except hungarians and albanians...
history proves it my friend.. u greeks needed albanians to give u independence... meanwhile serbs denied scanderbeg the right to pass through their lands and go help John Hunyadi against the turks...
if u greeks were so great, constantinople would have never fell, and the turks would have never enterted the balkans...
çameria(epirus) was NEVER, EVER part of greece till the 1940s when with the help of the british empire they conquered it and displaced and massacred the albanian populaiton(muslims) meanwhile the orthodx albanians were not allowed to speak albanian, if they did they were prosecuted..jailed for life, or killed.
çameria will be back... there are stil displaced çams in albania, and their sons and daughters, and all of em have legitamite documents of their possesions(lands they own)
of course the years past , and the turkish tribe slave all this region
The truth is that Greece have help you more than you imagine , just read the truth history based in facts ,do not imagine thing , do not be fanatics. with respect
now about illyria you show ,of course has no relation with the albania tribe that came after Crist and settled in north albania . just dig your land you live in north albania and all you see is greek coins , greek architecture and murbles writen in west greek dialect, greek names,That was Illirian people,
in the years of the turkish thousands people skotadism of this region skotadism all villages some occasions under of the turkish knife changed and become muslims with turkish concious the today many albanians of you,
Go to vatican library and you see the truth about Kastriotis and what the people of this land you called now albania you live in believed about their origin and concious . Kastriotis say about in all his letters about his greek epirotic origin , the truth is that if was not Turkish skotadism now you will be the strongest Greeks.
turks faired us the most, they only gave us a name. arnaud., they gave nobody a name in the empire.. we alomst took the whole empire and had the highest functions. we kild them and tryd to take over the empore, thats why they hated the albanians. and killed 100 ooo thousands of us. shut the fuck up greek bastard, your peope didnt play an role in nothing. only sitting and eating grapes. and fucking eachtohter in the ass. the real warriors are the albanians. and always will be.
JAM NJE DJAL KOSOVARë TRIMERINE E KAM TE PARë.rroft shqiperia etnike.GOD BLESS UNITED STATES OF ALBANIA.YOU FUCKIN GREEKS BETTER SHUT UP OR COMMON ON BATTLE AND DO NOT EAT SHIT LIKE PUSSY.IF U WANNA FIGHT WITH ALBANIANS COMON WE ARE READY.KOSOVA IS TOO ALBANIA.o shqiptar hajde te nisim nje lufte e ti trembim greket sepse ne Kosovaret kemi prejardhje prej Shqiperie dhe do ta mbrojm me gjak shqiperine.un personalisht fisin e te parevet e kam nga Fieri.pershendetje.
Himara is Albanian land, cameria also will be, you gaygreek if you need for more territory go on small asia...upss sorry there are turkish, what to do??...hmm go on sea and after call pls other balcan bullshits slaves.....
That whole Region was inhabited by Greeks 2000 plus years ago. Alexander The Great Mother was Queen of That region, an ancient Greek peoples the dwdones inhabited that region. Epirus is Greek and Albanians live in post communist propaganda blur of lies and fog to the brain. It's because they really don't know there identity. There national hero was Greek and the Albanian flag is a The Greek Byzantine war flag.. So you Albanians can keep talking out of your asses. I feel sorry for you people
You forget Albanians were of the Byzantine era, you forget George fought for Albanians, you didnt know his father came from my village in North Albania, You really must of forgotten that ALL of your major national heroes are ARVANITE who even the most ignorant of them ADMIT they originate from ALBANIANS. YOU FORGET that Arvanites were the staple population of "greece" untill 'foreign races' began populating the land. YOUR NATION IS A PATHETIC LIE of the Corrupt ORTHODOX church. M'HA KARRE'N
you are a muslim nation... who faught with the nazis and the turks...
because that area was once part of a Christian Empire doesn't give you pigs the right to use our symbol, THE DOUBLE HEADED EAGLE WITH RED BACK GROUND!! as your muslim inbred turko asiatic race!!
don't talk about Greece like you know what the fuck your talking about.. I have 1 word to say to your mind, Hodxa! that means you people are dumber than dogs.
Himara is a greek city that is currently under illegal albanian occupation.Greek state should immedialtely demand from the rest of europeans and americans to recognize an autonomous northern epirus with Himara being the capital. we must put this demand in the negotiations between albania and greece and albania should liberate northern epirus in order for Greece to recognize an autonomous Kosovo.....Albanians hand over Northern Epirus first and then we ll see what we can do about Kosovo
Fuck the italians. You greeks used that as an excuse to annex Cameria, and you MASSACRED the people there... the ALBANIANS there. SO FUCK YOU, GREEK BASTARD. FOR THE RECORD WE KICKED THE ITALIANS THE FUCK OUT, LOSER. WE FOUGHT THEM OUT.
The only English in Albania at the time were the one based with National Liberation Movement (Partisan) to assist and support the Partisan fighting the Nazis.
There aren't any english cemetry in Albania and none were killed from the Albanians.
Not a single english historian or any goverment agencies ever has made such a claim.
Please do not insist on this.
England is my adopted country and i'm educated in this country.
There is no way to compare Greece with Albania,i know.Look i respect your right to believe that albania deserve more respect!It is your right but it is my right too to believe that it doesn't because of its behavior against my country!Look Greece was fighting with albania,italy,bulgaria and germany!It was the only which fought 4 countries at the same time in WW2!I can say that u deserve a mpravo for the change of your behavior at the end but this doesn't change the fact that u were enemies
Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient Helens. They are a bunch of Turks, Arabs, Egyptians, Slavs, Pontians, etc........ They claim a history, land, of a civilization that had nothing to do with them. Please shut up, You cannot compare to Albanians. Pseudo-Greek. The truth hurts, I know.
The true owners of Illyria, Eprius and some parts of Greece, are the Albanians and their brothers the Arvanite/Albanians, not Greeces Turks, Arabs, Egyptians, Pontians, Slavs, etc...... You are just a bunch of liars and thieves.
I have nothing against Arabs, Turks, Egyptians,Pontians, and any other ethnicity or race. We are all human beings. When anyone lies, steals, kills, rapes, destroys livestock, property, and tortures, Albanians, or anyother people, I will state it.
U said:"Albanian deserve respect and recognition for the blood their given against the fascist and the Nazis"...And what they deserve about the Greek and English soldiers who killed by those Albanians?(It is a rhetoric question)
Thank u too for this debate and i hope that u learn too something new!Bye Bye
"before the sure fall of Axis you came out itself and became against it"
Again i can't blame you becouse you do not know mush about albania history.
Summer 1944 the National Liberation Movement very near to Albania liberation was turned to a goverment and the prime minister was elected Hoxha who declare Albania a Republic Country!
This was the only goverment recognized by the Allie forces and the only one who could speak on behalf of Albania.
OrionasGR7 The monument Nena Shqiperi (Mother Albania) 12 m tall in central Tirana is the biggest monument in Albania and dedicated to the people war against the Faschist and the Nazis.
Every town or city in Albania has a WW2 cemetry.
28.000 Albanian partisan were killed fighting for the freedom of Albania and Kosovo.
Like i said all these cemetries and monument are all for the Partisan and none for the others.
I know the issue of cemeteries in N.Epirus man!it is na issue with age allmost 65yrs!Anyway your argument about the dead albanian soldiers can not be accepted even from u because this would mean that albanians didn't fight for or against Axis!Something that it is impossible according to my or your statments!Maybe you must find an anwser my friend!
look if u want to continue this conversation lets go to personal massages because it is really tiring for my to right and propambly for u to right 2 3 or 4 messeges!ok?
Look u can not count your self as an occupied country man!How difficult is this do be undestanded by u?U can compare the situation in Greece and the situation in your country!You offered volunteers to Axis but we don't offered evene one man!It isn't my job to analyze why certain months before the sure fall of Axis you came out itself and became against it!At least it was something!
In Albania, November 29, 1944 is remembered as the day of national liberation. On that day, after five years of intense fighting and internecine political struggles, the National Liberation Movement emerged victorious. Beginning with the Italian invasion of April 1939, the Albanian people were embroiled in a seemingly endless battle to expel the Italians, and later, the Germans.
These are facts!! Albanian celebrate every year this day!! Why don't you visit Albania for yourself one day to see?
"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers".can u see it?"
Againg you get fulled by the Fachist propaganda at the time.
Please explain me this!
How come we know how many Greek and Italian soldier die during that War but no one knows how many "Albanian Soldier" die???
We know were the Greek and Italian soldier cemeteries are but in these cemeteries there is no mention of Albanian soldier or Albanian names to be found
Look i do not know bout your deads or italians!i know that many greeks soldiers of WW2 r missing untill today!I don't know where u learned history but it seems that u ignore basic thing and facts!I am not a victim of italian propaganda!if it was a propaganda then why we don't have the same for greece too?after all the propaganda was more important against greece than for albania!You can deny italian facts but what about the English,Germans,and Greeks?They all support that u were part of Axis
Look this conversation guids to nothing!You don't accept the reallity and this is tiring for me!i offer u so many official historical facts but deny everything.Well ok this not my problem!My country is an official member of E.U.Our history is part of the official European history and it is accepted by E.U..So in this history(and in other histories of European countries)Albania is recorded as an ally of Axis!
English list of Axis allies"european countries:Germany,Italy, Slovakia,Finland,Estonians,Lithuanians,Latvians,Muslim USSR,Ukraine,Bulgaria,Croatia,Slovenia,Albania,Vichy's France(the France of Charles de Gaulle wasn't ally with Axis),Hungary,Romania"
I wonder why the English didn't count albania for an ally when it gave 70000 soldiers against Axis's forces!Well it seems that hole world has exactly the opposite opinion for albania!U can keep your opinion but u must accept the official opinion too
The partizans entirely liberated Albania from German occupation on November 29, 1944. The Albanian partisans also liberated Kosovo,part of Montenegro and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina.National Liberation Army consisting of up to 70 thousand people, also took part in the war alongside the antifascist coalition. The World War Two ended with the victory of the antifascist coalition. The triumph over fascism in Albania led to the creation of the People's Republic of Albania.
The Antifascist National Liberation War of the Albanian people started with the people's resistance against fascist aggressionon April 7, 1939 and ended on November 29, 1944. During the antifascist national liberation war, the Albanian people fought against Italy and Germany, which occupied our country one after the other. In 1939-1941 period, the antifascist resistance was led by communist groups and later by the Communist Party.
"what is your opinion about the issue of N.Epirus and its autonomy?At least Northen Epirutes are not immigrands but natives!"
You need first to make clear what you call Nothern Epirutes??? Are you talkin about the south of Albanian?
My self know a lot of Albanians with Greek origins. They speak in greek and albanian and from my personal experience are the most frendly and lovely people one could meet.
As a matter of fact part of my family (relatives) are greek origins!
It always been the Italian fascist regime to proclaim themself as "liberators"
They even claimed at the time that they were "leberating" Greece
So yes they may have been people from Cham community welcoming them with flowers due to propaganda manipulation!
Don't forget that a lot of people did the same in countries like France,Holland, Belgium, Austria and others. Italy did put in place a puppet goverment in Athens during the occupation made of Greek people!
Look u made very serius mistakes!Italy never claimed that liberate greece.greece actually was under repression because it was against Axis forces not only the army but the people too,contrary to you!Not only greek soldiers and villagers but english soldiers too support the fact that albanians soldiers were part of italy army!Can i ask u something?Albania was or wasn't part of Axis alliance?Do u believe that albania belongs to the countries that resist or to the countries that support Axis?
They have italian because they were italic battalions as a part of italic army but they were composed from Albanian volunteers!"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers".can u see it?
"Yes evryone must accept and agree with the decisions of international courts! "
I couldn't agree less!!!
At most this is LEGAL issue and an International Court could help solve this dispute.
It should never ever be an issue to stop the two countrys to progress and certinaly not something that it may produce hate and bitterness in the future.
i accept your statment about internation court and the relations of our countries!can i ask u somthing else becaus i see that u respect the human rights!what is your opinion about the issue of N.Epirus and its autonomy?At least Northen Epirutes are not immigrands but natives!
Try to answer the Greek Helsinki Monitor about the minorities in Greece first ,and then we can talk about how many vlachs or gypsis wannabe greek lives in South Albania!
I explain u and i gave u facts that the italian and albanian army was one!Revealingly it is what he writes in his diary Fernando Kompione, reserve infantry lieutenant of the 51st Mountainous Division"Sienna":At the time interval from 28 October until 14 November 1940,when Italian divisions had reached parts of Greece,tsams received in all villages Italian as as liberators, with enthusiasm and songs"
V. Praska at a section of his book "The development of enterprises from 28 to 31 October 1940", writes in conclusion on the participation and for the attendance of Albanian units as follows:"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers,
Central Administration Division convoy and "Ferrara" I Volunteer Battalion Albanians...."
"I am of the opinion that the Albanian government, the Albanian parliament, should insist on opening discussions in the proper time and manner. We are not conditioning Greece for further development of relations. If the Greeks are going to categorically refuse to confront this very real problem, then the assistance of a third party might be required."
orionasGR7 if the European Court of Human Rights would decide in favor of Chams would you agree with it? Do you think Greece should respect it?
"its dicision based on european lows and agreements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So if u blaim us you blaim all europe!" Albanian authorities refuse to let the matter rest. Republican parliamentary Deputy Sabri Godo is the country's most outspoken politician on the Chams issue. He says the issue is sufficiently important to take to an international court should the two countries fail to resolve it on a bilateral level
i accept the solution of the international court!Ofcourse if your goverment chooses to fallow this path then it more than sure that it gives us the right to open the case of "Northen Epirus"issue!It is very obvious who is going to loose more things!ofcourse if the descendants of tsams want to solve this issue in international curt then they must do it alone!and ofcourse it is obvious that they'll face tha chance to pay indemnity to the greek state for the war crimes of their ancestors!
"The German writer Vilimpalnt Kolegker in his book that was released in 1942"
Under those year Albania was under Italian fascist regime and later on under the German Nazi.
Again u seem to not get it. Never has been an indepedent Albanian goverment or Albanian army attacking Greece!
Germany invaded Russia through other countries or regions but Russia never blamed these countries even though the Germans did find some aliance in those countries.
But Vilimpalnt Kologker spoke about the Italian army!lol!we say exactly the same!I think that u r the one who doesn't get it fro one more time!an indepedent albanian goverment is the one that been a member of Axis and the albanian parliament was the one the voted the union of albanian and italian army
OrianasGR7 the chams were forcibly deported from the province of Chameria in 1944-45.!
There is no dispute about it!
Qani Biraci, a 65-year-old musician living in the Albanian capital Tirana, was just 7-years-old when he and his parents along with some 30,000 mostly Muslim Albanians were forcibly expelled from the province of Chameria in Greece.
When germans left,tsams did exactly the same chased by greek forces of Zerbas!it was very normal to follow them their families!The official number is 23.048.not even 25.ooo.where do u found the other 7000?In the end 175 tsams families choosed to stay in greece and they lived without problems!In our days there r 25 families i think!anyway it was their decision to leave!and what matters if the borned in greece?they made crimes against it!Aftrel all how many of them r alive after so many years!
"As for the your king if check again my massage u will see that the dates match between them!In 14/4/39 your king(Zogu)left and italian king became your king".
A young Albanian patriot Vasil Laci attempted to assassinate Italian emperor Vittorio Emanuele III. Mussolini's fascist regime had invaded Albania, deposed their king Zog, and named Emanuele king of Albania. Not happy about this, Laci shot at Emanuele on the road (Rruga e Durresit) during the Italian King parade in Tirana.
...may things have changed!Like the IDs!the old IDs has no power any more!So their Ids have no power!Their children and they grandchildren borned in albania so they r albanian citizens and not Hellines citizens!Another issue is that Hellas has a cadastre which created for E.U..All the fortunes were recored and the time which someone had the right to disagree with the cadaster had passed long ago!So there is no issue man!Hellas isn't just a country,it is member of E.U. too and....
i don't think that we say something different!ofcourse i didn't know this detail about the assasination of italian king!but has it to say something?take a look in this......
The German writer Vilimpalnt Kolegker in his book that was released in 1942, the attitude of the Albanians in the Greek-Italian war 1940-41 writes the following:"Greeks were forced to fight against Albanian gangsters,at the moment where Albanian volunteers arrived massively in the Italian columns.Innumerable were the cases to award distinctions Albanians ..."ofcourse i said u again that i am not blaiming u for the mistakes of your ancestors!
orionasGR7 you wrote:"forgot to anwser in this one!tsams r not any more greek citizens!after their alliance with the end of WW2 greek goverment remove their right to be greek citizens blammed them for treachery in war time!"
I know that very well becouse the Albanian Partizan under Hoxha who liberated Albania and Kosovo without any help from foreign trops hanged a lot of these people. However you can't hang their children or remove their children and family rights including citezenship.
I tell u again that i am not speaking for their descendants!ok?my positon besed on official arguments between our states!I don't know much about the agreements with Hoxha!after all he begun this game with tsams's properties again!But i know about your x-president Meidani that ask a finall solution about the issue of the"belligerent situation"between us!The result was an agreement for good neighborhood and peace!After all hellas is a member of European Union and because of that.....
At least we agree in these!We must bulid a peaceful future!Finally something good!The west Europe had the same problems in the past!But look them now!They live together and with a high life level!We must do the same!After all Balkans always was the cradle of culture in eurpopean continent
I am really very happy with your statment in your last massage!At least we agree in the most serious issue!We need peace!Thank u so much for this man!Thank u!
1) Only ignorants and people with narrow minded (which by the way Albania is not imune of them) think that somehow "Chameria" would unite with Albania or somehow claim indepedence.
2) Having said that Greece need to recognize the past mistakes that made against these people. Do you know that the Chams in Albania still have the ID-s from Greece. Do you know that they still have property in Greece?
i forgot to anwser in this one!tsams r not any more greek citizens!after their alliance with the end of WW2 greek goverment remove their right to be greek citizens blammed them for treachery in war time!Do you know what panishment is imposed for treachery in war time in all countries around the glob?The punishment of execution and death!As for the your king if check again my massage u will see that the dates match between them!In 14/4/39 your king(Zogu)left and italian king became your king
Albanian Tzantarmerias did not have any power in "Chameria".. That's becouse 1) "Chameria" was under Greek jurisdictions and 2) Under the Italian regime wasn't an Albanian Tzantarmerias becouse the King left the country April 1939 and never to return.
Again your ignorance of Albania Histrory is clear to see.
I did not ask for the address with the Flat number included however you fail to bring even the name of a single town, city or village..
lolololololololololololol...your anwser shows what happend in your mind!look if u choose to believe me or not it is your problmem!i gave u infos!even if i was able to give u fotos u would find another issue for me to prove!My country resisted and stayed free for more than 200 days.The biggest number of resistance days in Europe.We lost more than 700.000 Greeks in this war(10% of hellinic population)when USA which had the 10 times more population from us lost 500.000.
I know that many albanians killed by Hellinic forces but this was part of war man!r u joking?Many Italians had killed too!Do u know that Hellas in WW2 lost the 10% of its population by axis forces?how many people albania lost!i am not hate albania.Actually i don't even care.The only thing that i do is to defence my country by propagandistic minds like u and the others here!maybe u can take this seriously:"leave the glorius history of my country alone man".At least the world knows who hellines r
From the first acts of the German after their arrival in the region,existed the effort for the most organised constitution of armed teams of Tsams that acted in Epirus!
Almost the entire Albanian population aged 14 and over equipped,formed a new armed sections were under the guidance of Mazar Nouri and Dino.All Albanians of these teams wore military uniforms,Italian&German,as well as brassard with the word «Tsamis» which enable them to move freely in cities and the countryside, carrying weapons!
The jurisdictions of the Albanian Tzantarmerias(gendarmerie or constabulary),were extended and also were assigned the duty of keeping the order(afterall Tsams were the only allies of axis in the era!),development that Tsams themselves in a lot of cases exploited so that they close "accounts of past"!
I hope that i anwserd in your question about names and events!As for your request about their addresses i take it as a joke.Maybe you want their email and mobile numbers too!
Look i don't blame you for the sins and the false decisions of your ancestors!the only think that i want for u is some respect about the history of my country!U want Epirus and the half ancient Hellinic history,Skopians want Macedonia(era and history)and Turks want Aegean sea,islands,Thrack and even Homer and the Troic war!Can u imagine it?Everyone ask something from Hellas(era,history or both of them),just to make their profile better and more glorius!How much is inaf?
orionasGR7 you write:"Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc)."
I asked you :"Who is this cham leader? Got a name and address? Could you tell me a single name of cham man alliance with Axi's forces?? Tell me the name of a leader or the name of single cham batalion who fought with the germans?
You can't give any names or any reliable evidence. Right?
14/4/39 albania leave the "Leage of Nations".15/4 an alabnian team with leader the prime minister Berlatsi been accepted in by Itthe king of Italy.Berlatsi named the italian king "emperor" first in albanic and after this in italic language and he offered him the crown of"Skenterbay"!The final chapter was in 3/6 when verlatsi and dino gave to the king Victor Emmanuel a letter according to the albanian army became part of italic and axis's forces!Want more?i can offer u more if u want!
ohhh yeh orionasGR7 if you want to find a name or an evidence please do not be like the other greek nutcases who search hours on google and come back with false names from greek extreme websites and forums. :)
Please try to find a german officer who "fought" alongside the chams or any other reable source. Good luck ! ;)
it is not y job to find who tsam fought with Axis!My history is a glorius fight against Axis's forces as the international history have proved!U must try to find if there is any albanian or tsam against Axis!good luck!!lolololol
it is not me job to find who tsam fought with Axis!My history is a glorius fight against Axis's forces as the international history have proved!U must try to find if there is any albanian or tsam fought against Axis!good luck!!lolololol
But if u insist i can give u some info(with names of persons!)about the act of albanians in WW2!Well???lolololololol
orionasGR7 i'm not going now to make you learn how to read in english or how to understand what you wrote yourself. I have tryed to explain to you my point. Is up to you to sort your self out.
OrionasGR7 you write to me :"Don't tell me that u mean the castle of Ali Pashas!lol....anyway from your arguments its more than obvious that u ignore the history!Truly when the germans leave Epirus the greek forces chased tsams!It was order of England to Napoleon Zerva to chase the tsams"
Ali Pasha of Tepelena or of Yannina, the "Lion of Yannina", (1741 January 24, 1822)
You are writing about the terrorist Zerva 1945!!!!!!
About the "Chams" (albanians, arvinats) could you tell me a single name of cham man alliance with Axi's forces?? Tell me the name of a leader or the name of single cham batalion who fought with the germans?
You write :"Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc)." Who is this cham leader? Got a name and address?
oriansGR7 you write to me: "I know very well Ioannina because my roots" that's why i wrote this to you "orionasGRt if your roots are in Ionnina than you should know the castle and the guy wich the castle belongs too"
Now you write to me this: "U r fanatasm makes u blind!Did i say that i am from ioannina?go and chek again my massage!"
i think that u have great problem with the communication!I think too that the "lie" flows in your blood!look what i said:-->"I know very well Ioannina because my roots r from Epirus and from west Hellas in a more general view"
Following the battle of Pydna(167 BC), where the Greek forces were defeated,the Epirots experienced the Romans'severity and vengeful fury.70 cities were destroyed & 150000 inhabitants were sold into slavery. The wars of the Epirots against the enemies of Hellenism,in Italy as well as in Greece, generated a panhellenic responsePolybius the historian wrote:It is the Epirots' ancestral custom to fight and put themselves in danger for their friends, and die for their country!!!
"The Molossians were the strongest and,decisive for Macedonia,most easterly of the 3 most important Epeirot tribes,which,like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians,still retained their monarchy.They were Greeks,spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots"California University Press,
Aristotle states that Epirus, the district around Dodona, was the first region to be called Hellas and its inhabitants Hellenes, adding, in fact, that this was where the Greeks were first called Graikoi, a name that the Romans would later spread through Western Europe.
Hecataeus of Miletus (545-475 BC), the greatest historian and geographer before Herodotus, identifies Oricuml as a port of Epirus. Many years later, Strabo (67 BC-AD 23), who crossed the valley of the Genusus in his travels, confirms in a way that leaves no doubt that the Epirots lived to the right (south) of the Egnatian Way, while the Illyrians lived to the left (north) of it. Many other historians and geographers of antiquity also repeat the same information, in greater or lesser detail
Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks.
Robert Morkot, The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece,
orionasGRt if your roots are in Ionnina than you should know the castle and the guy wich the castle belongs too. Time and time again you use the region name Epirus to somehow assume that is a greek land.. That's the same with all your guys.. It's a name and does not mean you have any rights over it.. What you call Epirus in Greece we call Chameria!
And how the hell you claim chams are war crimminals? Any chams in war world 2 crimminals court? Women and children WW2 crimminals?
Don't tell me that u mean the castle of Ali Pashas!lol....anyway from your arguments its more than obvious that u ignore the history!Truly when the germans leave Epirus the greek forces chased tsams!It was order of England to Napoleon Zerva to chase the tsams because of their alliance with Axi's forces!So it is very normal to faollow the the tsams their families!It is proved and accepted from international community that tsams were allies with the italians and with the germans
Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc).Yes ok!why did i call tsams war criminals??r u joking?if someone is pa
himara during the ottoman times was an "albanian vilayet", the problem is that the last 3000 the inhabitants are greeks.of course there were (and still there are) albanians, however all the sources prove that the majority were greeks.
brennusduxgallorum 6 months ago
HIMARA IS ALBANIA !!
FREEDOM TO CHAMERIA !!
GREEKS , DIRTY ETHIOPIANS , GO BACK TO AFRICA !
IllyriPower 8 months ago
αλβανοι η χειμαρα και η ηπηρος ηταν ειναι και θα παραμηνει ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tzanis15 8 months ago
ΧΕΙΜΑΡΡΑ IS FOREVER GREEK! FREEDOM TO NOTHERN EPIRUS, GREEK LAND!
voodca69 8 months ago
Freedom to Chameria!
TheValmirZz 9 months ago
Like in two other villages in the region (Himara and Palasa), the daily language for the Drimadhiotes is a vulgar form of Greek. Albanian comes second. A hypothesis for this is that Himariotes are a Greek minority. Another hypothesis is that the Greek was adopted as working language during Turkish attempts to occupy the place and the Himariotes were forced to flee in the neighboring Greek islands as well as during the trade with them, especially Corfu.
JIMY45GR 11 months ago
. In 167 B.C., it was a Roman naval base. Julius Caesar was the first great leader that set his foot in the beach near Drimadhes in his battle against Pompeus and it is said that while he is sailing close to these dangerous Acroceraunian shores pronounce the famous sentences to his sailors "Don't fear as you are carrying the Caesar and his luck". For a certain period, Himara was under the Bulgarian rule (904 AD).
JIMY45GR 11 months ago
The foundation of the village is lost in the history. Himara, where Dhermi is included, has been inhabited by the Epirote tribe of Chaonians. Philip of Macedonia (father of Alexander the Great) attacked Himara in 214 BC. In 167 B.C., it was a Roman naval base.
JIMY45GR 11 months ago
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e Skanderbeg Division was formed and trained in Kosovo and was made up mostly of muslim Shqiptar Kossovars. There were only a small number of Albanians from Albania proper in the division. The Skanderbeg Mountain Division of the Wafen SS was thus essentially a Kosovo or Kosmet Division. The Division was stationed and operated in Kosovo and other Serbian regions almost exclusively.
JIMY45GR 11 months ago
po keta moterqirat greke skane emer piro po spiro eshte me se kuptushme qe nga greku i thone vorjo ipro ne nga shqiperia i themi epiri dhe pirua ishte SHQIPTAR o moterqira grek kur do te kuptoni apo kur tu ve kufiri ne pater
TheVanova2 11 months ago
himara will be greek only in dreams!!!! read you greek(arab) bastards the video the guy its giving facts names of writers dates and biside that the all world knows that albanians never invaded other territories,,,,never fought a war for inviding another country
chapkeni 11 months ago
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koloalvanoi gamo tin mana sas...tsirakia twn tourkwn twn germanwn kai twn amerikanwn...mia zoi oi tsoules tous eisastan kai tha eiste..apolitistoi kai akamathdes...mono gia na douleuoun sta mpourdela oi kores sas kai oi gynaikes sas aksizetai!!!
jimmybobos 1 year ago
koloalvanoi gamo tin mana sas...tsirakia twn tourkwn twn germanwn kai twn amerikanwn...mia zoi oi tsoules tous eisastan kai tha eiste..apolitistoi kai akamathdes...mono gia na douleuoun sta mpourdela oi kores sas kai oi gynaikes sas aksizetai!!!
jimmybobos 1 year ago
NORTHERN EPIRUS IS GREEK
CHIMARA IS GREEK
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
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JIMY45GR 1 year ago
HIMARA, AGIOI SARANDA,ARGYROKASTRO,PREMETI,KORYTSA GREEK TO THE BONE.FREEDOM TO NORTHERN EPIRUS.
ANOTHER 1940 GREEK BROTHERS OF HIMARA WILL COME AND THEN!!!
EVDIMOS 1 year ago
respekte bro per kete video...
ata shkerdhatat nga himara qe mendojne se jan grek te ken kujdes se zoti i deno me ferr nese e mohojne gjakun e tyre te shejnt shqiptar....gjithcka ndrysho, feja etj por gjaku kurr..
gjaku i shqiptarit edhe nese derdhet prap nuk humb...
HEIL ALBANIA
dardanoz1 1 year ago
VINI RE - VINI RE - VINI RE - VINI RE - VINI RE
Dua te informoj te gjithe Shqipetaret qe jetojne dhe punojne ne greqi se: Me qetesi dhe pa rene ne sy duhet te terheqin Parate qe kane futur ne Bankat greke sa me Shpejt te jete e mundur, se ka shume mundesi qe shteti grek me Hilera tja Sekuestroje. Ngaqe greqia eshte ne prag te inflacionit. Lajmeroni dhe te aferm, miq e shoke sa s`eshte vone.
u1s1a1 2 years ago
fuck off albanian bastards!!!!
littlebillym 2 years ago
ca ke me albanian more apo te kane qire ate qe te ka bere koken albanezet dhe se kaperdin dote
albania646 1 year ago
fuck your mother in pussy or greek bastard
pidhaj 1 year ago
@littlebillym
i wonder if you are as tough face to face, to say something like that,,,,grow up and dont cus specialy if you can not back it up face face... you little faker, i so wish i meet of of you face to face here in london...
ervin1983 1 year ago
GOOD JOB I LOVE IT ,ITS THE TRUTH
TheSonOfEagle 2 years ago
lol it funny with greeks you know.. they even addopted our national costume cuz we FREED them and they reject us and what we have done for them.. they forget that if it wasnt for Albanians they would be speaking turkish right now
gun220 2 years ago
Himariotet e kane origjinen nga kruja dhe mirdita!
1thepeacemaker 2 years ago
Η ΧΕΙΜΑΡΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΟΣΟ ΚΙΑΝ ΤΗΝ ΘΕΛΕΤΕ ΚΑΦΡΟΙ ΑΛΒΑΝΟΙ!!!!
FilEllinas92 2 years ago
@FilEllinas92 DO T'U QIM ROPT KUR TE VIJE DITA,MORE BYTHE VRIM GREQIE
labtepelene1 1 year ago
koloalvana turkospermata den ehete kamia shesi me tous ilirius oute mia triho apo tarhidiatus den ehete to katalawate pastardi-- koloturki isaste .......kai tha sas swisome mia mera apo ton harti ton valkanion pomakia ----
georgios1359 2 years ago
first of all the double headed eagle was albanian before it belonged to greece i have a book written by a very credible writer who explains the history of the eagle it will actually blow your mind its very interesting but long story fuck all greeks RNOFT SHQIPERIA JA QISHJA NONEN PILDH!!!!! and yeah we fought wit nazis motherfucker because were the only country thats down n brutal like that we kill all you fucken gayreeks!!!!!
Frluckaj 2 years ago
The double-headed eagle motif was used as the emblem of the Byzantine Empire during the 14th and 15th centuries, when ruled by the Palaiologos Dynasty. Double-headed eagle emblem of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, based on insignia of the Byzantine Empire. The head on the left (West) symbolizes Rome, the head on the right (East) symbolizes Constantinople.
REtiPATHAME 2 years ago
--Eh cna gjeti dhe ne--Po keta Bujqit e Himares dihet qe jane te ardhur nga veriu
-----Por keta tani e quajne veten grek
-Se vdiq Enveri qe ju shkerdhente Himariotkat ne bythe--
-----Ndaj tani po te kete shtet---Kush e quan veten grek--ta ndjeki ta coje ne Greqi------
----Edhe atje ne Himare te ndertoje ndonje Tec me qymyr qe te ngordhin fare edhe ata pese pleq te pjerdhur qe kane ngelur
Kot qe harxhoni frymen me keta muter--me mire beni video dhe tallni karet me keta bajgat e grekut --
aspetosi 2 years ago
long live GREECE!
gorosXimarra 2 years ago
the albanian populace was way more important and significant in both the eastern and western empire than the grekogipsy one... just cause ur a dirty orthodox today, doesnt give u the right to claim all the achievements by the western or the eastern empire, now stfu retard, go lie to ur uneducated gipsy race cause they're the only ones capable of believing such bullshit
valdrin85 2 years ago
ur said dykefalos, very said... sad little ethiopian gypsi who wants to be greek so badly... rofl
check out the greek students that hang out together in every college campus across the US, and if u(well u wont admit it ROFL), or another other westerner wont think they're some type of middle easterners or arabs, or some type of turks, ill go jump off of the empire state building... and ur calling us a mixed inbred turko-asiatic race??? ROFL!!!!
valdrin85 2 years ago
very sad, not said lol
valdrin85 2 years ago
Exactly man, exactly.
DustyWtf 2 years ago
GREECE 4 EVER!!!!
NICKTHEDIG1989 2 years ago
The question beckons...what rock did this video maker crawl out from under...LOL
1Maniatis 2 years ago
Turks, the Albanians conquerors, called Albanians, ARNAUD's, which mean "Forbiden to retrieve back" as albanians soldiers and officers never turned back in battles, when they fought for Ottomans in Nizam system
RenaldoNjeshi 2 years ago
Bla bla bla..........................
Well suck my huge HELLENIC dick...
You know that i am Greek and i don't speak your barbarian language...
I don't care what you said...
When you'll enter Himara bring your passport with you...
Fuck you...
superouaou 2 years ago
...kurse ti sill motrat per mallakastriotin kur te vish ne Himaren Shqiptare....
pigene na gamithis tora mazi me tous turkospores san esi apo do...
mallakastrioti 2 years ago 6
@mallakastrioti AIDE KAI YAMISOU KOLO ALBAVE, THA PESI EMMA STA BOUVA!!!!!!!!KLEFTES !!!!PALIKARIA!!!!!! TA ARMATA SAS!!!!!!!!!!
georgeellas 1 year ago
HA. Bring your passport when you enter Cameria you mongolian piece of shit. Your race of pederasts will be exterminated, and should any of you remain, you will be subject to a program of forced sterilization so that you cannot pollute the world with your genetic defects.
AntiShkja 2 years ago
superouaou you are HELLENIC COCK SUCKER.FUCK OF FUCKIN GYPSY GREEK=GYPSI SAME RACE SAME SHIT.
POGRADEC27 2 years ago
@superouaou PER KAR VINI JU GREKT NE SHQIPRI .VIN EDHE POPET TUJ PER KAR SHQIPTARI. PO KE NEVOJ EDHE TI EJA SE TA BEJME BYTHEN ME DY BIRA
labtepelene1 1 year ago
@superouaou fuck you bitch but you know the truth that if you motherfuking greeks want to enter himara you have to bring your passport with you and you better have a fucking visa as well cos your fucking greek passport is not valid anymore without a visa greece is going down this is why you do propaganda in albania cos you are finished bitches of europe you come from egypt you cunts fuck you nigga race, himara was, is and always will be albanian dispite all greek government propaganda
TheProudenglish 10 months ago
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IllyrianDefender 10 months ago
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@superouaou Barbarian language? Our names are not Yannoulatos or Papadopoulos hahaha, Greek is a language which a normal people couldn't ever learn, Greeks are related with Ethopians and Egypts, some Greeks i know are dark, darker than Turks .. the white Greeks are mostly Albanians, some are Slavs or other Eurpeans. You are a mixed people, fake history (Albanian) and with lots of Homosexual people.
Fuck Gayreeks
Rroftë Shqipëria e bashkuar!
IllyrianDefender 10 months ago
This video stincks like the turkalbanian...
Hey barbarians will you ever realise the ΧΕΙΜΑΡΡΑ will always be HELLENIC...
Fuck this piece of shit that made this video...
superouaou 2 years ago
te qifte karamanlis gjithe gjinine femerore dhe karatsaferis ate mashkullore....po nuk kuptove cte thashe...fuck off of the here
mallakastrioti 2 years ago
jason stfu, only a matter of time before cameria gets back in the hands of the ppl that it belongs... usually forcefully conquered places, whose ethnic inhabitans are treated like shit, dont seem to stand occupied for a long time...
fuckin pathetic pieces of shit, no wonder u call serbs ur brothers...
valdrin85 2 years ago
HAHA thiat rrine me thiat mar vla, grek edhe shkja t'jon ni saj edhe si ni saj kem me marru krejt
DustyWtf 2 years ago
you are telling lies...there are documents that show that himara was,is and wiil steel greek whatever you do!shut up and don't sai all these fucking lies!you are what you feel and himara is and feels greek!!!!!!!!!!!!! this from himaragirl
jasonheart11 2 years ago
ik moj budallacke andej meso ndonje liber historie njehere e pastaj ec te me japesh mend mua....
mallakastrioti 2 years ago
@jasonheart11 ama esthanete elinas na pai stin elada i xmara itan ke tha ine alvaniki
mgkolonjari 8 months ago
@mgkolonjari τραβα γαμησου ρε αλβανιαρη που μιλας...οπου θελει αθ παει ο καθενας δεν θα ρωτησει εσενα,βλακα
MrAbagaz 8 months ago
like the good dogs that u are, obeyed ur masters, payed ur annual tax and didnt bother them much...
where as the albanian popullation was never totally subdued... hence the forcefully conversion of the ppl from catholic to muslim.. turks thought that it would bring an end to local uprisings, but as history proved it, never did...
now stfu and accept the truth, for it shall set u free....
valdrin85 2 years ago
greeks didnt do shit during the ottoman conquest of the ballkans, no one really did except hungarians and albanians...
history proves it my friend.. u greeks needed albanians to give u independence... meanwhile serbs denied scanderbeg the right to pass through their lands and go help John Hunyadi against the turks...
if u greeks were so great, constantinople would have never fell, and the turks would have never enterted the balkans...
but u serbs and greeks.....continued
valdrin85 2 years ago
thats how it is shqipe...nothing left to say ;)
ylley 2 years ago
çameria(epirus) was NEVER, EVER part of greece till the 1940s when with the help of the british empire they conquered it and displaced and massacred the albanian populaiton(muslims) meanwhile the orthodx albanians were not allowed to speak albanian, if they did they were prosecuted..jailed for life, or killed.
çameria will be back... there are stil displaced çams in albania, and their sons and daughters, and all of em have legitamite documents of their possesions(lands they own)
valdrin85 2 years ago
the fantasy of the filthy Ethiopian gypsies is beyond human imagination
BJORG99 2 years ago 2
of course the years past , and the turkish tribe slave all this region
The truth is that Greece have help you more than you imagine , just read the truth history based in facts ,do not imagine thing , do not be fanatics. with respect
kalikratiss 2 years ago
now about illyria you show ,of course has no relation with the albania tribe that came after Crist and settled in north albania . just dig your land you live in north albania and all you see is greek coins , greek architecture and murbles writen in west greek dialect, greek names,That was Illirian people,
kalikratiss 2 years ago
hahaha fuck of egyptian dog
708426 2 years ago
in the years of the turkish thousands people skotadism of this region skotadism all villages some occasions under of the turkish knife changed and become muslims with turkish concious the today many albanians of you,
kalikratiss 2 years ago
with a few words :
Go to vatican library and you see the truth about Kastriotis and what the people of this land you called now albania you live in believed about their origin and concious . Kastriotis say about in all his letters about his greek epirotic origin , the truth is that if was not Turkish skotadism now you will be the strongest Greeks.
kalikratiss 2 years ago
turks faired us the most, they only gave us a name. arnaud., they gave nobody a name in the empire.. we alomst took the whole empire and had the highest functions. we kild them and tryd to take over the empore, thats why they hated the albanians. and killed 100 ooo thousands of us. shut the fuck up greek bastard, your peope didnt play an role in nothing. only sitting and eating grapes. and fucking eachtohter in the ass. the real warriors are the albanians. and always will be.
agon1984 2 years ago
You are smoking huge amounts of crack.
eroshi 2 years ago
Γαμώ την ζωή σας πούστες αλβανοί...Η Χειμάρρα ήταν,είναι και θα είναι για πάντα ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ότι και να κάνετε...
Τώρα τον μπούλο και πίσω στα βουνά του Καυκάσου από όπου ήρθατε...
superouaou 2 years ago
JAM NJE DJAL KOSOVARë TRIMERINE E KAM TE PARë.rroft shqiperia etnike.GOD BLESS UNITED STATES OF ALBANIA.YOU FUCKIN GREEKS BETTER SHUT UP OR COMMON ON BATTLE AND DO NOT EAT SHIT LIKE PUSSY.IF U WANNA FIGHT WITH ALBANIANS COMON WE ARE READY.KOSOVA IS TOO ALBANIA.o shqiptar hajde te nisim nje lufte e ti trembim greket sepse ne Kosovaret kemi prejardhje prej Shqiperie dhe do ta mbrojm me gjak shqiperine.un personalisht fisin e te parevet e kam nga Fieri.pershendetje.
guguflica 2 years ago 2
Himara is Albanian land, cameria also will be, you gaygreek if you need for more territory go on small asia...upss sorry there are turkish, what to do??...hmm go on sea and after call pls other balcan bullshits slaves.....
Shehut 2 years ago 3
u gamotos fuck you greek people. u are malakas
ALBANİANS FOREWER
bubashpata 2 years ago
That whole Region was inhabited by Greeks 2000 plus years ago. Alexander The Great Mother was Queen of That region, an ancient Greek peoples the dwdones inhabited that region. Epirus is Greek and Albanians live in post communist propaganda blur of lies and fog to the brain. It's because they really don't know there identity. There national hero was Greek and the Albanian flag is a The Greek Byzantine war flag.. So you Albanians can keep talking out of your asses. I feel sorry for you people
Dykefalos 2 years ago
You forget Albanians were of the Byzantine era, you forget George fought for Albanians, you didnt know his father came from my village in North Albania, You really must of forgotten that ALL of your major national heroes are ARVANITE who even the most ignorant of them ADMIT they originate from ALBANIANS. YOU FORGET that Arvanites were the staple population of "greece" untill 'foreign races' began populating the land. YOUR NATION IS A PATHETIC LIE of the Corrupt ORTHODOX church. M'HA KARRE'N
DustyWtf 2 years ago
you are a muslim nation... who faught with the nazis and the turks...
because that area was once part of a Christian Empire doesn't give you pigs the right to use our symbol, THE DOUBLE HEADED EAGLE WITH RED BACK GROUND!! as your muslim inbred turko asiatic race!!
don't talk about Greece like you know what the fuck your talking about.. I have 1 word to say to your mind, Hodxa! that means you people are dumber than dogs.
Dykefalos 2 years ago
I dont waste brain cell on Arvanite/ foreign race Gypsy hybrids. Give me your tears gypsy!
DustyWtf 2 years ago
@Dykefalos hahaha idiot..alexandra the great wasnt greek,,
ktm066 1 year ago
Himara is a greek city that is currently under illegal albanian occupation.Greek state should immedialtely demand from the rest of europeans and americans to recognize an autonomous northern epirus with Himara being the capital. we must put this demand in the negotiations between albania and greece and albania should liberate northern epirus in order for Greece to recognize an autonomous Kosovo.....Albanians hand over Northern Epirus first and then we ll see what we can do about Kosovo
GREEKGOD20000 2 years ago
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
xhakshqiptari 2 years ago 4
ihaaaaaaaaaaa nice music ma knaqi zemren
manhattanmodel 2 years ago
Mallakastrioti Kenga Jam nje djal ketu eshte fenomenale! Te falemenderoj perzemersisht per kete video.
AntiShkja 3 years ago
5* Vlla per video dhe kenge!
albanleo 3 years ago
albanians didn't fight against italy, they just let them go throw albania and they reached greece, greeks fight and won them
crazyhermy 3 years ago
Fuck the italians. You greeks used that as an excuse to annex Cameria, and you MASSACRED the people there... the ALBANIANS there. SO FUCK YOU, GREEK BASTARD. FOR THE RECORD WE KICKED THE ITALIANS THE FUCK OUT, LOSER. WE FOUGHT THEM OUT.
AntiShkja 3 years ago
The only English in Albania at the time were the one based with National Liberation Movement (Partisan) to assist and support the Partisan fighting the Nazis.
There aren't any english cemetry in Albania and none were killed from the Albanians.
Not a single english historian or any goverment agencies ever has made such a claim.
Please do not insist on this.
England is my adopted country and i'm educated in this country.
bye-bye. :)
specialalb 3 years ago
In Albania very soon is going to be build a new cemetry for the Greek soldier who died in Albania in the War against the Italian fascist!
This is going to be build with Greek goverment assistance and Albanian goverment help.
Respect for the fallen Greek soldier is showed from Albanians
This is a memorial of the Greek soldier die fighting the Italians not Albanians
This is the Greek goverment official line
Surely u must trust you own historian and goverment
I hope you will visit this memorial
specialalb 3 years ago
Please note oriansGR7 that i do not compare Greece with Albania!
I'm just speaking out about Albania and their history becouse i feel Albania is not treated with the respect it should.
It's so much ignorance towards their history that i find it unbelivible.
Albanian deserve respect and recognition for the blood their given against the fascist and the Nazis.
Jesus said:Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods."
Thanks for the debate and hope you learn something new .. :)
specialalb 3 years ago
There is no way to compare Greece with Albania,i know.Look i respect your right to believe that albania deserve more respect!It is your right but it is my right too to believe that it doesn't because of its behavior against my country!Look Greece was fighting with albania,italy,bulgaria and germany!It was the only which fought 4 countries at the same time in WW2!I can say that u deserve a mpravo for the change of your behavior at the end but this doesn't change the fact that u were enemies
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient Helens. They are a bunch of Turks, Arabs, Egyptians, Slavs, Pontians, etc........ They claim a history, land, of a civilization that had nothing to do with them. Please shut up, You cannot compare to Albanians. Pseudo-Greek. The truth hurts, I know.
greekliersandthieves 3 years ago
The true owners of Illyria, Eprius and some parts of Greece, are the Albanians and their brothers the Arvanite/Albanians, not Greeces Turks, Arabs, Egyptians, Pontians, Slavs, etc...... You are just a bunch of liars and thieves.
greekliersandthieves 3 years ago
I have nothing against Arabs, Turks, Egyptians,Pontians, and any other ethnicity or race. We are all human beings. When anyone lies, steals, kills, rapes, destroys livestock, property, and tortures, Albanians, or anyother people, I will state it.
greekliersandthieves 3 years ago
U said:"Albanian deserve respect and recognition for the blood their given against the fascist and the Nazis"...And what they deserve about the Greek and English soldiers who killed by those Albanians?(It is a rhetoric question)
Thank u too for this debate and i hope that u learn too something new!Bye Bye
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"before the sure fall of Axis you came out itself and became against it"
Again i can't blame you becouse you do not know mush about albania history.
Summer 1944 the National Liberation Movement very near to Albania liberation was turned to a goverment and the prime minister was elected Hoxha who declare Albania a Republic Country!
This was the only goverment recognized by the Allie forces and the only one who could speak on behalf of Albania.
The war against the Fachist started 1939!!!
specialalb 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 The monument Nena Shqiperi (Mother Albania) 12 m tall in central Tirana is the biggest monument in Albania and dedicated to the people war against the Faschist and the Nazis.
Every town or city in Albania has a WW2 cemetry.
28.000 Albanian partisan were killed fighting for the freedom of Albania and Kosovo.
Like i said all these cemetries and monument are all for the Partisan and none for the others.
specialalb 3 years ago
Now let me clear this last thing for you.
In Albania very soon is going to be build a new cemetry for the Greek soldier who died in Albania in the War against the Italian fascist
We know the Greek fought against the Italians becouse we have their remains in Albania,
Also we have old cemetries of Italian Soldiers and their remains are taken back to Italy.
Again we know about the Italians!
But there are no Albanian soldier remains or cementry!
Do you know why OrianasGR7?
You find the answer! ;)
specialalb 3 years ago
I know the issue of cemeteries in N.Epirus man!it is na issue with age allmost 65yrs!Anyway your argument about the dead albanian soldiers can not be accepted even from u because this would mean that albanians didn't fight for or against Axis!Something that it is impossible according to my or your statments!Maybe you must find an anwser my friend!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
look if u want to continue this conversation lets go to personal massages because it is really tiring for my to right and propambly for u to right 2 3 or 4 messeges!ok?
orionasGR7 3 years ago
A list of countries that joined the Allie later officially recognized by the Allie!!
Greece: 28 October 1940
Soviet Union: 22 June 1941
United States: 8 December 1941
Yugoslavia: 1 December 1943
Albania: 26 October 1944 (formerly occupied by Fascist Italy and later Nazi Germany)
specialalb 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 i'm sorry you don't understand
I try to make it more simple to you
Follow me with patience!
1) Albania was occupied by Italy april 1939
2) Allie were created Semptember 1939 following the Invasion of Poland from Germany!!!!!
Can you see now the difference??
Albania was occupied by the fachist and the war of the Allie did not start till Semptember!
This mean Albania was officialy recognized an occopied country from the Allie by the fascist Italian!
specialalb 3 years ago
Look u can not count your self as an occupied country man!How difficult is this do be undestanded by u?U can compare the situation in Greece and the situation in your country!You offered volunteers to Axis but we don't offered evene one man!It isn't my job to analyze why certain months before the sure fall of Axis you came out itself and became against it!At least it was something!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
In Albania, November 29, 1944 is remembered as the day of national liberation. On that day, after five years of intense fighting and internecine political struggles, the National Liberation Movement emerged victorious. Beginning with the Italian invasion of April 1939, the Albanian people were embroiled in a seemingly endless battle to expel the Italians, and later, the Germans.
These are facts!! Albanian celebrate every year this day!! Why don't you visit Albania for yourself one day to see?
specialalb 3 years ago
"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers".can u see it?"
Againg you get fulled by the Fachist propaganda at the time.
Please explain me this!
How come we know how many Greek and Italian soldier die during that War but no one knows how many "Albanian Soldier" die???
We know were the Greek and Italian soldier cemeteries are but in these cemeteries there is no mention of Albanian soldier or Albanian names to be found
It's impossible not even a single albanian die!!!
specialalb 3 years ago
Look i do not know bout your deads or italians!i know that many greeks soldiers of WW2 r missing untill today!I don't know where u learned history but it seems that u ignore basic thing and facts!I am not a victim of italian propaganda!if it was a propaganda then why we don't have the same for greece too?after all the propaganda was more important against greece than for albania!You can deny italian facts but what about the English,Germans,and Greeks?They all support that u were part of Axis
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Look this conversation guids to nothing!You don't accept the reallity and this is tiring for me!i offer u so many official historical facts but deny everything.Well ok this not my problem!My country is an official member of E.U.Our history is part of the official European history and it is accepted by E.U..So in this history(and in other histories of European countries)Albania is recorded as an ally of Axis!
Well bye bye,keep studing and be happy man!Cheers
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"Albania was or wasn't part of Axis alliance?Do u believe that albania belongs to the countries that resist or to the countries that support Axis?"
Albania was occupied in WW2 not part of Axis.
The proudest moment in Albania History is the war against the faschist and the Nazis.
So YES Albania was part of Allie forces officaly recognized by the Allie patners!
If you ever would visit Albania you will see houndred of monument dedicated to the National Liberation Army (Partizan) in WW2.
specialalb 3 years ago
English list of Axis allies"european countries:Germany,Italy, Slovakia,Finland,Estonians,Lithuanians,Latvians,Muslim USSR,Ukraine,Bulgaria,Croatia,Slovenia,Albania,Vichy's France(the France of Charles de Gaulle wasn't ally with Axis),Hungary,Romania"
I wonder why the English didn't count albania for an ally when it gave 70000 soldiers against Axis's forces!Well it seems that hole world has exactly the opposite opinion for albania!U can keep your opinion but u must accept the official opinion too
orionasGR7 3 years ago
The partizans entirely liberated Albania from German occupation on November 29, 1944. The Albanian partisans also liberated Kosovo,part of Montenegro and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina.National Liberation Army consisting of up to 70 thousand people, also took part in the war alongside the antifascist coalition. The World War Two ended with the victory of the antifascist coalition. The triumph over fascism in Albania led to the creation of the People's Republic of Albania.
specialalb 3 years ago
The Antifascist National Liberation War of the Albanian people started with the people's resistance against fascist aggressionon April 7, 1939 and ended on November 29, 1944. During the antifascist national liberation war, the Albanian people fought against Italy and Germany, which occupied our country one after the other. In 1939-1941 period, the antifascist resistance was led by communist groups and later by the Communist Party.
specialalb 3 years ago
"what is your opinion about the issue of N.Epirus and its autonomy?At least Northen Epirutes are not immigrands but natives!"
You need first to make clear what you call Nothern Epirutes??? Are you talkin about the south of Albanian?
My self know a lot of Albanians with Greek origins. They speak in greek and albanian and from my personal experience are the most frendly and lovely people one could meet.
As a matter of fact part of my family (relatives) are greek origins!
specialalb 3 years ago
It always been the Italian fascist regime to proclaim themself as "liberators"
They even claimed at the time that they were "leberating" Greece
So yes they may have been people from Cham community welcoming them with flowers due to propaganda manipulation!
Don't forget that a lot of people did the same in countries like France,Holland, Belgium, Austria and others. Italy did put in place a puppet goverment in Athens during the occupation made of Greek people!
specialalb 3 years ago
Look u made very serius mistakes!Italy never claimed that liberate greece.greece actually was under repression because it was against Axis forces not only the army but the people too,contrary to you!Not only greek soldiers and villagers but english soldiers too support the fact that albanians soldiers were part of italy army!Can i ask u something?Albania was or wasn't part of Axis alliance?Do u believe that albania belongs to the countries that resist or to the countries that support Axis?
orionasGR7 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 please do not be fulled by the Italian fascist regime propaganda at the time.
"51st Mountainous Division"Sienna" and "Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion" are from the Italian army!!
If you look at the names "Solina" and "Sienna" are Italian names..
Why would an Albanian Batalion have Italian names?
specialalb 3 years ago
They have italian because they were italic battalions as a part of italic army but they were composed from Albanian volunteers!"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers".can u see it?
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"Yes evryone must accept and agree with the decisions of international courts! "
I couldn't agree less!!!
At most this is LEGAL issue and an International Court could help solve this dispute.
It should never ever be an issue to stop the two countrys to progress and certinaly not something that it may produce hate and bitterness in the future.
specialalb 3 years ago
i accept your statment about internation court and the relations of our countries!can i ask u somthing else becaus i see that u respect the human rights!what is your opinion about the issue of N.Epirus and its autonomy?At least Northen Epirutes are not immigrands but natives!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Try to answer the Greek Helsinki Monitor about the minorities in Greece first ,and then we can talk about how many vlachs or gypsis wannabe greek lives in South Albania!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
"But Vilimpalnt Kologker spoke about the Italian army"..
My Point Exactly!!!! ITALIAN ARMY not ALBANIAN ARMY!!!!!!!!!
Never as been an union with Italian Army by any Albanian parlament becouse the country is occupied!
Are you aware of the date 7/04/1939 and what this date mean to the Albanians ????
The only Albanian army at the time were the Partizan under the command of Hoxha who fought against the Italian fascist regime!
specialalb 3 years ago
I explain u and i gave u facts that the italian and albanian army was one!Revealingly it is what he writes in his diary Fernando Kompione, reserve infantry lieutenant of the 51st Mountainous Division"Sienna":At the time interval from 28 October until 14 November 1940,when Italian divisions had reached parts of Greece,tsams received in all villages Italian as as liberators, with enthusiasm and songs"
orionasGR7 3 years ago
V. Praska at a section of his book "The development of enterprises from 28 to 31 October 1940", writes in conclusion on the participation and for the attendance of Albanian units as follows:"Column "Solina" II 1st Battalion of the Legion of Albanian volunteers,
Central Administration Division convoy and "Ferrara" I Volunteer Battalion Albanians...."
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"I am of the opinion that the Albanian government, the Albanian parliament, should insist on opening discussions in the proper time and manner. We are not conditioning Greece for further development of relations. If the Greeks are going to categorically refuse to confront this very real problem, then the assistance of a third party might be required."
orionasGR7 if the European Court of Human Rights would decide in favor of Chams would you agree with it? Do you think Greece should respect it?
specialalb 3 years ago
Yes evryone must accept and agree with the decisions of international courts!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"its dicision based on european lows and agreements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So if u blaim us you blaim all europe!" Albanian authorities refuse to let the matter rest. Republican parliamentary Deputy Sabri Godo is the country's most outspoken politician on the Chams issue. He says the issue is sufficiently important to take to an international court should the two countries fail to resolve it on a bilateral level
specialalb 3 years ago
i accept the solution of the international court!Ofcourse if your goverment chooses to fallow this path then it more than sure that it gives us the right to open the case of "Northen Epirus"issue!It is very obvious who is going to loose more things!ofcourse if the descendants of tsams want to solve this issue in international curt then they must do it alone!and ofcourse it is obvious that they'll face tha chance to pay indemnity to the greek state for the war crimes of their ancestors!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"The German writer Vilimpalnt Kolegker in his book that was released in 1942"
Under those year Albania was under Italian fascist regime and later on under the German Nazi.
Again u seem to not get it. Never has been an indepedent Albanian goverment or Albanian army attacking Greece!
Germany invaded Russia through other countries or regions but Russia never blamed these countries even though the Germans did find some aliance in those countries.
specialalb 3 years ago
But Vilimpalnt Kologker spoke about the Italian army!lol!we say exactly the same!I think that u r the one who doesn't get it fro one more time!an indepedent albanian goverment is the one that been a member of Axis and the albanian parliament was the one the voted the union of albanian and italian army
orionasGR7 3 years ago
OrianasGR7 the chams were forcibly deported from the province of Chameria in 1944-45.!
There is no dispute about it!
Qani Biraci, a 65-year-old musician living in the Albanian capital Tirana, was just 7-years-old when he and his parents along with some 30,000 mostly Muslim Albanians were forcibly expelled from the province of Chameria in Greece.
Like him are thousand more like it.
We talking about people born in Greece!!!!!!!!!!
specialalb 3 years ago
When germans left,tsams did exactly the same chased by greek forces of Zerbas!it was very normal to follow them their families!The official number is 23.048.not even 25.ooo.where do u found the other 7000?In the end 175 tsams families choosed to stay in greece and they lived without problems!In our days there r 25 families i think!anyway it was their decision to leave!and what matters if the borned in greece?they made crimes against it!Aftrel all how many of them r alive after so many years!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"As for the your king if check again my massage u will see that the dates match between them!In 14/4/39 your king(Zogu)left and italian king became your king".
A young Albanian patriot Vasil Laci attempted to assassinate Italian emperor Vittorio Emanuele III. Mussolini's fascist regime had invaded Albania, deposed their king Zog, and named Emanuele king of Albania. Not happy about this, Laci shot at Emanuele on the road (Rruga e Durresit) during the Italian King parade in Tirana.
specialalb 3 years ago
...may things have changed!Like the IDs!the old IDs has no power any more!So their Ids have no power!Their children and they grandchildren borned in albania so they r albanian citizens and not Hellines citizens!Another issue is that Hellas has a cadastre which created for E.U..All the fortunes were recored and the time which someone had the right to disagree with the cadaster had passed long ago!So there is no issue man!Hellas isn't just a country,it is member of E.U. too and....
orionasGR7 3 years ago
i don't think that we say something different!ofcourse i didn't know this detail about the assasination of italian king!but has it to say something?take a look in this......
orionasGR7 3 years ago
The German writer Vilimpalnt Kolegker in his book that was released in 1942, the attitude of the Albanians in the Greek-Italian war 1940-41 writes the following:"Greeks were forced to fight against Albanian gangsters,at the moment where Albanian volunteers arrived massively in the Italian columns.Innumerable were the cases to award distinctions Albanians ..."ofcourse i said u again that i am not blaiming u for the mistakes of your ancestors!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
orionasGR7 you wrote:"forgot to anwser in this one!tsams r not any more greek citizens!after their alliance with the end of WW2 greek goverment remove their right to be greek citizens blammed them for treachery in war time!"
I know that very well becouse the Albanian Partizan under Hoxha who liberated Albania and Kosovo without any help from foreign trops hanged a lot of these people. However you can't hang their children or remove their children and family rights including citezenship.
specialalb 3 years ago
I tell u again that i am not speaking for their descendants!ok?my positon besed on official arguments between our states!I don't know much about the agreements with Hoxha!after all he begun this game with tsams's properties again!But i know about your x-president Meidani that ask a finall solution about the issue of the"belligerent situation"between us!The result was an agreement for good neighborhood and peace!After all hellas is a member of European Union and because of that.....
orionasGR7 3 years ago
....its dicision based on european lows and agreements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So if u blaim us you blaim all europe!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
By the way i do think that today Macedonia has nothing to do with history and tradition of old Greek.
They are slavs not Greek and should not call themself Macedonian!
Also Turkey stole a lot of lands from Greece but we can not change this today and need to look build a peacful future.
specialalb 3 years ago
At least we agree in these!We must bulid a peaceful future!Finally something good!The west Europe had the same problems in the past!But look them now!They live together and with a high life level!We must do the same!After all Balkans always was the cradle of culture in eurpopean continent
orionasGR7 3 years ago
I am really very happy with your statment in your last massage!At least we agree in the most serious issue!We need peace!Thank u so much for this man!Thank u!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 now that you calmed down please note.
1) Only ignorants and people with narrow minded (which by the way Albania is not imune of them) think that somehow "Chameria" would unite with Albania or somehow claim indepedence.
2) Having said that Greece need to recognize the past mistakes that made against these people. Do you know that the Chams in Albania still have the ID-s from Greece. Do you know that they still have property in Greece?
They are Greek citizen only with albanian origin
specialalb 3 years ago
i forgot to anwser in this one!tsams r not any more greek citizens!after their alliance with the end of WW2 greek goverment remove their right to be greek citizens blammed them for treachery in war time!Do you know what panishment is imposed for treachery in war time in all countries around the glob?The punishment of execution and death!As for the your king if check again my massage u will see that the dates match between them!In 14/4/39 your king(Zogu)left and italian king became your king
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Albanian Tzantarmerias did not have any power in "Chameria".. That's becouse 1) "Chameria" was under Greek jurisdictions and 2) Under the Italian regime wasn't an Albanian Tzantarmerias becouse the King left the country April 1939 and never to return.
Again your ignorance of Albania Histrory is clear to see.
I did not ask for the address with the Flat number included however you fail to bring even the name of a single town, city or village..
Do not mix Albania main land with "Chameria".
specialalb 3 years ago
hahahah tipical!!! After hours searching the google you come up with another nonsence claim.
Are you telling me that the albanians had german and italian military uniforms???
Does this mean that weren't any Albanian army or an Albanian military organisation who fought with the Germans and Italian? Is this what you saying?
Have you got a photo of uniform with "as well as brassard with the word «Tsamis»" or any reliable source to confirm this?
Or is it just you who know this?
specialalb 3 years ago
lolololololololololololol...your anwser shows what happend in your mind!look if u choose to believe me or not it is your problmem!i gave u infos!even if i was able to give u fotos u would find another issue for me to prove!My country resisted and stayed free for more than 200 days.The biggest number of resistance days in Europe.We lost more than 700.000 Greeks in this war(10% of hellinic population)when USA which had the 10 times more population from us lost 500.000.
orionasGR7 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 you know hom many were killed and the manner they were killed but somehow you do not know who killed them.
No one in right frame of mind could possibly make sence of it.
Does this mean that your hated towards anythink Albanian makes you so bitter?
Or is it just plain simple ignorace of Albanian culture, tradition and history?
I doubt is the first one and i'm sorry i can't take you seriously.
In a mean time enjoy our marvellous and beautiful tradition songs.
specialalb 3 years ago
I know that many albanians killed by Hellinic forces but this was part of war man!r u joking?Many Italians had killed too!Do u know that Hellas in WW2 lost the 10% of its population by axis forces?how many people albania lost!i am not hate albania.Actually i don't even care.The only thing that i do is to defence my country by propagandistic minds like u and the others here!maybe u can take this seriously:"leave the glorius history of my country alone man".At least the world knows who hellines r
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"...Albanian culture, tradition and history"...lolololololol...yes ok...whatever!lololololol
orionasGR7 3 years ago
From the first acts of the German after their arrival in the region,existed the effort for the most organised constitution of armed teams of Tsams that acted in Epirus!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Almost the entire Albanian population aged 14 and over equipped,formed a new armed sections were under the guidance of Mazar Nouri and Dino.All Albanians of these teams wore military uniforms,Italian&German,as well as brassard with the word «Tsamis» which enable them to move freely in cities and the countryside, carrying weapons!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
The jurisdictions of the Albanian Tzantarmerias(gendarmerie or constabulary),were extended and also were assigned the duty of keeping the order(afterall Tsams were the only allies of axis in the era!),development that Tsams themselves in a lot of cases exploited so that they close "accounts of past"!
I hope that i anwserd in your question about names and events!As for your request about their addresses i take it as a joke.Maybe you want their email and mobile numbers too!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Look i don't blame you for the sins and the false decisions of your ancestors!the only think that i want for u is some respect about the history of my country!U want Epirus and the half ancient Hellinic history,Skopians want Macedonia(era and history)and Turks want Aegean sea,islands,Thrack and even Homer and the Troic war!Can u imagine it?Everyone ask something from Hellas(era,history or both of them),just to make their profile better and more glorius!How much is inaf?
orionasGR7 3 years ago
orionasGR7 you write:"Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc)."
I asked you :"Who is this cham leader? Got a name and address? Could you tell me a single name of cham man alliance with Axi's forces?? Tell me the name of a leader or the name of single cham batalion who fought with the germans?
You can't give any names or any reliable evidence. Right?
specialalb 3 years ago
14/4/39 albania leave the "Leage of Nations".15/4 an alabnian team with leader the prime minister Berlatsi been accepted in by Itthe king of Italy.Berlatsi named the italian king "emperor" first in albanic and after this in italic language and he offered him the crown of"Skenterbay"!The final chapter was in 3/6 when verlatsi and dino gave to the king Victor Emmanuel a letter according to the albanian army became part of italic and axis's forces!Want more?i can offer u more if u want!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
ohhh yeh orionasGR7 if you want to find a name or an evidence please do not be like the other greek nutcases who search hours on google and come back with false names from greek extreme websites and forums. :)
Please try to find a german officer who "fought" alongside the chams or any other reable source. Good luck ! ;)
specialalb 3 years ago
it is not y job to find who tsam fought with Axis!My history is a glorius fight against Axis's forces as the international history have proved!U must try to find if there is any albanian or tsam against Axis!good luck!!lolololol
orionasGR7 3 years ago
it is not me job to find who tsam fought with Axis!My history is a glorius fight against Axis's forces as the international history have proved!U must try to find if there is any albanian or tsam fought against Axis!good luck!!lolololol
But if u insist i can give u some info(with names of persons!)about the act of albanians in WW2!Well???lolololololol
orionasGR7 3 years ago
orionasGR7 i'm not going now to make you learn how to read in english or how to understand what you wrote yourself. I have tryed to explain to you my point. Is up to you to sort your self out.
Goodnight!
specialalb 3 years ago
If u can not understand what i wrote is becuase of your iq and not because of my english!good night!!!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
OrionasGR7 you write to me :"Don't tell me that u mean the castle of Ali Pashas!lol....anyway from your arguments its more than obvious that u ignore the history!Truly when the germans leave Epirus the greek forces chased tsams!It was order of England to Napoleon Zerva to chase the tsams"
Ali Pasha of Tepelena or of Yannina, the "Lion of Yannina", (1741 January 24, 1822)
You are writing about the terrorist Zerva 1945!!!!!!
Do you get your madness?
Again your ignorance is clear to see.
specialalb 3 years ago
About the "Chams" (albanians, arvinats) could you tell me a single name of cham man alliance with Axi's forces?? Tell me the name of a leader or the name of single cham batalion who fought with the germans?
You write :"Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc)." Who is this cham leader? Got a name and address?
specialalb 3 years ago
oriansGR7 you write to me: "I know very well Ioannina because my roots" that's why i wrote this to you "orionasGRt if your roots are in Ionnina than you should know the castle and the guy wich the castle belongs too"
Now you write to me this: "U r fanatasm makes u blind!Did i say that i am from ioannina?go and chek again my massage!"
Do you get your madness??
specialalb 3 years ago
i think that u have great problem with the communication!I think too that the "lie" flows in your blood!look what i said:-->"I know very well Ioannina because my roots r from Epirus and from west Hellas in a more general view"
so whose madness spoke?lolololololol
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Following the battle of Pydna(167 BC), where the Greek forces were defeated,the Epirots experienced the Romans'severity and vengeful fury.70 cities were destroyed & 150000 inhabitants were sold into slavery. The wars of the Epirots against the enemies of Hellenism,in Italy as well as in Greece, generated a panhellenic responsePolybius the historian wrote:It is the Epirots' ancestral custom to fight and put themselves in danger for their friends, and die for their country!!!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
"The Molossians were the strongest and,decisive for Macedonia,most easterly of the 3 most important Epeirot tribes,which,like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians,still retained their monarchy.They were Greeks,spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots"California University Press,
1990
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Aristotle states that Epirus, the district around Dodona, was the first region to be called Hellas and its inhabitants Hellenes, adding, in fact, that this was where the Greeks were first called Graikoi, a name that the Romans would later spread through Western Europe.
orionasGR7 3 years ago
The first inhabitants are Greeks, those that are called Epirots. [They dwell] as far as the city of Epidamnus. which is situated on the sea.
[History of the Wars, 5.15.24]
orionasGR7 3 years ago
APPIAN - HISTORY OF ROME ?
The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Danube.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Hecataeus of Miletus (545-475 BC), the greatest historian and geographer before Herodotus, identifies Oricuml as a port of Epirus. Many years later, Strabo (67 BC-AD 23), who crossed the valley of the Genusus in his travels, confirms in a way that leaves no doubt that the Epirots lived to the right (south) of the Egnatian Way, while the Illyrians lived to the left (north) of it. Many other historians and geographers of antiquity also repeat the same information, in greater or lesser detail
orionasGR7 3 years ago
have u got any other argument?It is very funny to rpove the how unstable r your arguments!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks.
Robert Morkot, The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece,
Penguin Publ., 1996
orionasGR7 3 years ago
orionasGRt if your roots are in Ionnina than you should know the castle and the guy wich the castle belongs too. Time and time again you use the region name Epirus to somehow assume that is a greek land.. That's the same with all your guys.. It's a name and does not mean you have any rights over it.. What you call Epirus in Greece we call Chameria!
And how the hell you claim chams are war crimminals? Any chams in war world 2 crimminals court? Women and children WW2 crimminals?
Pathetic claim..
specialalb 3 years ago
Don't tell me that u mean the castle of Ali Pashas!lol....anyway from your arguments its more than obvious that u ignore the history!Truly when the germans leave Epirus the greek forces chased tsams!It was order of England to Napoleon Zerva to chase the tsams because of their alliance with Axi's forces!So it is very normal to faollow the the tsams their families!It is proved and accepted from international community that tsams were allies with the italians and with the germans
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Let me remind u that in 29-9-1943 the tsams leaders decided the execution of the leaders of greek communite!50 tsams and 15 germans executed 49 men of the greek elite(priests,doctors,etc).Yes ok!why did i call tsams war criminals??r u joking?if someone is pa