@Chinaculiacan Hey my friend, did you notice that when I asked imtherealthing to show us where the words "soteriology," "harmartiology," "transcendence," "immanence," "preexistence," or "Christology" are found Scripture, words that codify teachings he probably believes in, he responded to me by stating for me not to use big words. Just a smoke and mirrors response for him. So his argument about the words "essence" or "substance" not being found in Scripture is irrelevant, just like he is.
@TheJpgr1958 He never answers to me when I asked him if Mormonism was in the scriptures! He couldn't answer to me either if his mother is practicing Polyandry, due to the teachings of his false prophets Joe when he took 11 already married women. Oh well! He spammed my posts!
(Ibid., vol. 2, p. 191). Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde received similar blessings, although Hyde's blessing has been falsified somewhat in modern printings of the History of the Church Of course none of the Mormon Apostles lived to see the Lord come.
*YAWN*...nice copy and paste job and putting these out of context...and not showing what we have said about these ...lol..you make me laugh serpent....you truly do. Your IGNORANCE on LDS theology is so blantant...and sad.
@imtherealthing "*YAWN*" Yep, and that about sums up your IGNORANCE of Christian theology as well, you urine drinking punk. "you make me laugh" Well you make all of us who reads your dribble PUKE!! "Your IGNORANCE on LDS theology is so blantant...and sad." See previous comment. What's so sad is that you think because you have these so-called degrees, that you are above repraoch for some reason...that everyone who disagrees with you are morons, serpents, etc.
YOUR QUOTE: "because you have these so-called degrees, that you are above repraoch for some reason...that everyone who disagrees with you are morons, serpents, etc.
MY REPLY: Um...its not because of my education...it's because of your "LACK" of an education you are stupid...sorry get it right.
@imtherealthing The only people who were lacking in education were your parents. They should have aborted you. Again, you are nothing but a punk who thinks he is smart because of his puesdo-degrees which will mean nothing when you are on your death bed. Still waiting for prove of your so-called debate you had with atheists. Post it so we all can all see it. Oh I forgot, debating to you means youtube, the gym or Starbucks. Keep staying save behind your keyboard.
You make me laugh as do most anti-mormons...I have NEVER met and intellgient anti-mormon...and you are just one of thousands...although you rank up there for the dumbest ones I have met. ;)
@imtherealthing And again, you would never state what you wrote to my face, nor any one else's. You are just a low life chicken shit, wanna be debater, who drinks his own mom's urine. Keep hiding behind your keyboard punk. I also see you didn't comment on any of Chinculiacan's quotes. Oh but I know what you will state, he's stupid, just like everyone else is who dosen't agree with Mormonism. Punk. LOL!! Too bad your mom didn't abort you. The world would be a better place.
Wow..listen to your "christianity"...can we say "anger problems"? Yup..yessir...your brand of christianity sure is the true christianity...your kind makes all sorts of excuses for not living like christians...that is what your "faith alone" doctrine teaches...it makes excuses for living the life of a dsiciple of Christ...keep your false religion and your 3-headed god. Have you found the words "essence" or "substance" yet in the Bible to support your nicene god? Well?
@imtherealthing Oh my, what tripe you spew. I'm just throwing back at you what YOU throw at everyone else. You want to call me and others names such as stupid, moron, uneducated, serpent, plus others? GREAT!! I can play that game as well. Remember the old cliche: "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." And this is YOUR "True Christianity?" Pot meet kettle stupid chicken shit. Keep hiding behind your keyboard punk ass. Your degrees won't mean squat in the end.
The difference is you are VULGAR...and your words are evil. Again, where are the words "essence" or "substance" in the Bible...go to ANY professor of the Bible (THD) and ask him this...tell him to find your "god" in the Bible.
@imtherealthing "The difference is you are VULGAR...and your words are evil." What a idiot you are. ALL name calling is vulgar and evil. There is no distinction. All right numb nuts, I'll answer your question if you can show us where the words "soteriology," "harmartiology," "transcendence," "immanence," "preexistence," or "Christology" are found Scripture. Yet I bet you believe the teachings that each one of those words represents. If you can't, then we dismiss your arguments as irrelevant.
Don't use big words if you don't have a clue about what they mean and especially in relation to LDS theology. The words I am asking you for are NEEDED in order for your god to exist in scripture..otherwise...you are interpreting INTO the scripture a god that just does not exist...that is your dilemma. Calling you "an idiot" or "stupid" is no different than the saviour calling people fools and serpents/vipers...they are modern equivalents...but your words are just VULGAR.
@TheJpgr1958 Your comment: "What a idiot you are. ALL name calling is vulgar and evil. There is no distinction. All right numb nuts, I'll answer your question" So, its ok for YOU to call someone an idiot & numb nuts? As YOU said "ALL name calling is vulgar & evil. But you're special & its not evil for YOU to do so?
The only thing i want to know, is how to get those annoying missionaries to quit knocking at my door, calling my home/cell (everyday) leave me alone & quit STALKING ME?
@imtherealthing I also see you didn't comment on any of Chinculiacan's quotes. Oh but I know what you will state, he's stupid, just like everyone else is who dosen't agree with Mormonism.
@imtherealthing Always keep remembering that you would NEVER state those things to some one's face. Just keep hiding behing your keyboard and brag about your half-ass education. Keep drinking your mom's urine punk.
@imtherealthing Oh yes, you stated in a previous comment, that you have debated atheists. If this is true, post these debates on line so we can all see and hear them. Or are these debates done on the internet, Starbucks, the gym etc? If so, those are not even in the same ball park as a REAL scholastic debate urine head. When you do one of those and post it for all to see, then you may have something, but until then, you should zip the lip.
Still waiting for you to prove your 3-headed god exists in the Bible...yessir...where are the words "essence" or "substance" in the Bible....stop running from this...you have to face it...because without those words "in the Bible"...your god simply ceases to exist...lol..you make me laugh...an uneducated hick...thinks he knows theology...yessir..that is funny.
MY REPLY: This coming from you?...ROFL!!!!...the guy who still can't prove his "god" is in the Bible with simply looking for a couple of words "essence" or "substance"...oh you make me laugh...lol..it sucks believing in a god you can't prove existed in the Bible huh?
@imtherealthing Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner. Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions.
@imtherealthing Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. Oh sure sure, I would love to be a member of your organization, NOOOOOOOOOT.
by Parley P. Pratt, p. 15; copied from a microfilm of the original at the Mormon church historian's library). This tract was reprinted in the book Writings of Parley P. Pratt, but this entire prophecy was deleted without any indication. Your Mormon leaders forgot that their lies were not going to be hidden forever! (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 188). William Smith's blessing stated: "He shall be preserved and remain on the earth, until Christ shall come to take vengeance on the wicked"
and Joseph Smith's statement that "fifty-six years should wind up the scene" did not come to pass. Writing in 1838, Apostle Parley P. Pratt said the following: "Now, Mr. Sunderland. I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false" (Mormonism Unveiled-Truth Vindicated,
which he granted by laying his hands upon my head, in the name of Jesus Christ, and declaring that I should continue in the Priest's office until Christ comes." When the Twelve Apostles were first ordained in the Mormon church some of them also received the promise that they would live until Christ came: "The blessing of Lyman E. Johnson was, that he shall live until the gathering is accomplished. and he shall see the Savior come and stand upon the earth with power and great glory" (continue)
(A servant of God, holding the power and keys of the Holy Apostleship does not speak in this manner for mere pastime. There is more in these utterances than we are apt to attach to them, unless we are aided by the Spirit of God.) ("Daily journal of Abraham H. Cannon," October 14, 1886, BYU Library). Under the date of January 23, 1833, Joseph Smith recorded the following in his History of the Church, volume 1, page 323: " my father presented himself, I asked of him a father's blessing, (continue)
"It is my belief, that the time of our deliverance will be within five years; the time indicated being February 14th, 1891. And that the man raised up will be no other than the Prophet Joseph Smith in his resurrected body. the government will pass into the hands of the Saints, and that within five years. There will not be a city in the Union that will not be in danger of disruption by the Knights of Labor, who are becoming a formidable power in the land." (continue)
not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890."Klaus J. Hansen says that "in 1890 there was a widespread belief among church members that Joseph Smith's prediction of 1835, that fifty-six years would 'wind up the scene,' would be fulfilled" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1966, p. 76). On October 14, 1886, Abraham H. Cannon recorded the following in his journal: Thursday, Oct. 14th:-The following are words spoken by Apostle Moses Thatcher, at Lewiston
On the same page Joseph Smith said: "There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." Joseph Smith then proceeded to make a prophesy about the coming of Christ. Since the last six words have been deleted in the History of the Church (under the date of April 6, 1843) but the cite on the original source is—i.e., Joseph Smith's diary, March 10, 1843-July 14, 1843: ". I prophecy in the name of the Lord God-& let it be written: that the Son of Man will (conti)
should wind up the scene." Joseph Smith later said that a voice once told him the following: " 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.' I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make his appearance or I shall go where He is" (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 336). (continue)
In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied that the coming of the Lord was near and that fifty-six years should wind up the scene. In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, we read as follows: "President Smith then stated, it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh-even fifty-six years (continue)
@Chinaculiacan lmfao you're debating with "therealthing" haha His name should let you know it is impossible to argue rationally with him. I remember debating him and he is ignorant and will never learn. He would rather believe in what he wants to be true rather than want to know what the facts say loool
@liamlloyd77 I see!! Most of them are! I get your meaning! He is a devout Moron, I mean Mormon! Let's not worry about him; he will be doing what is asked of him by Joe! Joe is going to ask for his wife when he gets to Kolab, maybe not his wife, maybe his little girl. I guess that's an lol! Yeah,is an Loooooollll. :)
Your comments made me laugh...thanks ignoramus...you certainly are mental like most of your kind. Complete uneducated morons. You know absolutely ZERO about LDS theology...no wonder you worship a 3-headed god...now that's funny.
this bullshit is exactly why i am an anti theist....a world of debate for nothing except for the sake of argument...everyone drop religions and find your own path to God. Clowns....
I enjoy reading the byu/lds/mormon educated self appointed church apologist. Still waiting for the 12 or monson to validly say something of solid truth.
RE :USING EXTRA-SCRIPTURAL SOURCES IN LDS THEOLOGY
LDS theology is only based on the following:
The Bible
The Book of Mormon
The D&C
The PofGP
And General Conferance talks that eventually get sustained as revelation to be binding on the saints (i.e. The Proclamation to the World)
These are called the STANDARD WORKS - and if it doesn't come from any of these..then it is just speculation and "theory" - not doctrine nor binding on the saints.
The Jews were first polytheistic then they shifted to henotheism then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
@imtherealthing Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses! My servant. The God of Israel and repeatedly predicted the future accurately, which allowed Israel to testify to its accuracy and truth (verse 13) and thus confirm the reality that He is the only eternal and living God. This witness also take place in the millennial kingdom.
@Chinaculiacan I'm glad you are using sound Biblical doctrine friend. May you be blessed for standing for Holy Scripture. I call you brother indeed for standing for the truth!
@BrotherMichael1000 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word, (continue)
@BrotherMichael1000 and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on him, and poor him and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy. Sister Here! :)
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”.
Why is it that one can sin against the FATHER and the SON but not against the HOLY GHOST as we read in the "bible"..if they are of the same essence or substance or MIND as trinitarians say ..why is it that you are not sinning against the HOLY GHOST when you sin against the Father and Son..if they are the same ESSENCE or SUBSTANCE or MIND?
YET ANOTHER MORON QUOTE: "Take the New Testament off the bible, can you find the Father the Son and the Holy spirit in the Old testament?"
MY REPLY: Absolutely. Jesus was Jehovah (although the "title" of Lord or Jehovah was sometimes shared with the Father). The Father God was mostly known as Elohim but again that "title" was also at times used for Jesus/ Jehovah. And the Spirit was indeed found in the OT...moron
Why is it that false christianity needs analogies like an egg, a triangle, or water in its three phases to EXPLAIN thier 3-headed god?..can you point to just ONE place in the Bible where ANY of the prophets or apostles use these very analogies or ANY analogies for that matter to explain the GODHEAD?..well?
Show me where your nicene god is in the bible...show me where the words "essence" or "substance" are in the bible to describe the ONENESS in that context? Where are these words in ANY of the ORIGINAL langauges?..well? ..tell me..why does one not find the words "essence" or "substance" in the bible when you speak of the GODHEAD being ONE GOD...those words are NOT found in the bible in ANY of the original languages..it is EXTRA-BIBLICAL..that means outside of the bible.
Why is it that false christianity needs analogies like an egg, a triangle, or water in its three phases to EXPLAIN thier 3-headed god?..can you point to just ONE place in the Bible where ANY of the prophets or apostles use these very analogies or ANY analogies for that matter to explain the GODHEAD?..well?
YOUR MORONIC QUOTE : "Guess Mormonism is not in the bible! "
MY REPLY: You are a moron. But hey, if that is the best you can do...lol..then like the rest of your kind...your IQ might just be a tad up from a vegetable.
Oh man...that video you sent me was soooo funny...that guys is you isn't it?...he sounds like a real simpleton...sounds like he is reading a script ...it's obvious he was never active in the LDS church...probably got baptized and left within a year..never knew his own theology....or was never one to begin with...like most of your lying kind...you are all lying serpents.,,LOL...oh man..thanks for the laugh....
@imtherealthing do you recall how Jesus walked on water? Well, the prophet has been given the keys to walk on air and extends it to all the priesthood. Here, watch this." Jeff steps off the ledge and walks out about ten feet and stands there in mid air. "Wow!" says Ralph, "Do you mean I can do that?" "Certainly", replies Jeff, "Just make a leap of faith." Ralph takes a step from the ledge and plunges screaming to the pavement 60 floors below. (continue)
@imtherealthing Jeff walks back to the building and calls to another worker, "Hey, Mac, come over here." Meanwhile on the street a passerby notices the occasional rain of bodies and approaches an apparently unconcerned worker nearby, "Say, didn't you see several workers falling from above?" "Oh yea, it's just Superman screwing around with the Mormons again." So dude! If you believe in Mormonism so bad! Be careful with superman. LOL
What's the matter?..feelings hurt because I pointed out your stupidity? Still want to spar simpleton? Come on..show me what you know of LDS theology.....lol
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
@imtherealthing 1.I think your mother made a deal with the devil, because you were born and now believes in demonic teachings! Oh yes! You haven’t answer if Moron, I mean Mormon is in the bible, So believe in your prophet? Well can you answer his false prophesies? Saints to gather to Independence, Mo. and build Temple (D&C 84) No longer teach the gathering and temple never built. Zion (Independence, Mo.) cannot fall (D&C 97:19) Mormons driven out. Army to redeem Zion (Independence, MO)
Mormons driven out. Army to redeem Zion (Independence, MO) (D&C 103)
Mission unsuccessful. V.30-34 God seems to be unsure about how large an army to raise. Civil War Prophecy (D&C 87)mEngland and other nations did not join in. United Order (D&C 104)V.1 Commanded as everlasting order; V.48 & 53 dissolved and reorganized. Riches of Salem to pay church debt (D&C 111) No riches found, debts not paid. Apostle Patten to go on mission in Spring 1839 (D&C 114)
@imtherealthing He was shot in Oct. of 1838. Wouldn't God have known he was going to die before the next spring? New gathering place and temple in Far West (D&C 115)
LDS driven out, never built the temple. Build a temple in Nauvoo and house for Smiths (D&C 124) Temple and house not completed. Christ to return in 1890-1891 period (D&C 130:14-15)
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
As he spake BY THE MOUTH OF HIS HOLY PROPHETS, which have been SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”
Show me where your nicene god is in the bible...show me where the words "essence" or "substance" are in the bible to describe the ONENESS in that context? Where are these words in ANY of the ORIGINAL langauges?..well? ..why does one not find the words "essence" or "substance" in the bible when you speak of the GODHEAD being ONE GOD...those words are NOT found in the bible in ANY of the original languages..it is EXTRA-BIBLICAL..that means outside of the bible
@imtherealthing Look dude! you keep wearin your green Masonic Apron, and keep answeing to lucifer when Adam prays for religion. Keep believing the were 6 feet tall men in the moon, Keep believing Joe saw G-d and Christ, or Christ and an angel, or an Angel and G-d, or G-d and the Holy spirit, how many versions are there? about 11, Poor guy, he couldn't even get the first vision right! Lol on him.
I just love how morons like you "think" they know LDS theology by simply doing a "google" search...as expected...ALL of your so-caqlled knowledge is from "google"..no academic discipline...no quoting PRIMARY SOURCES...if they are..like most cut and paste jobs from the internet...99% are out of context or straight out lies....I'm laughing so hard now..lol..thanks for demonstrating just how stupid you are...no surprise...you fit in with most anti-mormons...uneducated and stupid.
@imtherealthing How about LDS(dotorg. or Mormon(dot)com? Is your own church history and records, I just love how morons like you use the word google and think we can be dismiss.
No simpleton...you will not find the stuff you are quoting on the LDS website...sorry...nice try. If it is there...then I believe it..have no problem with it....like the doctinre of "Theosis" or Deification...moron...as taught in the EARLY Christian church...I can't stress just how stupid you are...seriously
@imtherealthing What was that Stupid? Oh yes! What happened to your prophets false prophesies? why didn't they come to pass? Oh Yes! that's because your prophet was a false one to the core! Y te lo puedo decir tambien en otra lengua! Que tal esta? Eres el hombre mas estupido y ciego que pueda ver! sigue creendo en tu falso profeta, cuando llegues a tu planeta asegurate que le des tu esposa!
YOUR MORONIC QUOTE: "What happened to your prophets false prophesies?"
MY REPLY: ROFL!!!!...this is just too funny...there is not ONE single prophecy that has failed...the prophecies of the Bible can be litterally turned around like you serpents dfo with modern revelation...I know..I debate atheists on thier attacks on FAILED BIBLICAL prophecies...dimwit...all the answers are there...but like most of your seprent kind..you can TWIST the truth
@imtherealthing Hey dude! Let me give you your life's definition when you believe in Mormonism! is = Birdbrain, blockhead, dolt, boor, bonehead, donkey, chump, dope, boob, clown. You want to know what Mormons leaders taught in early Mormonism? I tel you if you believe in that! There is something really serious with you! Well! Your mother made a deal with he devil, I guess you are his offspring! Wait? Mormon, Your brother is Lucifer! you sure he is not your father?
I just love how morons like you "think" they know LDS theology by simply doing a "google" search...as expected...ALL of your so-caqlled knowledge is from "google"..no academic discipline...no quoting PRIMARY SOURCES...if they are..like most cut and paste jobs from the internet...99% are out of context or straight out lies....I'm laughing so hard now..lol..thanks for demonstrating just how stupid you are...no surprise...you fit in with most anti-mormons...uneducated and stupid.
@imtherealthing English is not even my first language and can still give you proof of how stupid and demonic your doctrines are! I'm not anti-Mormon, I'm anti-false prophets, anti-false teachers, and anti-lies, and anti-stupidities like your church leaders taught. So go and keep wearing your green Masonic Apron. I guess is an LOL? Oh yes, LOL on you and Joe Smith. Wait! I can't go to heaven because I don't accept him as a true prophet, Oh no, someone save me, Waaaahahaha Yeap, is in LOL big time
@imtherealthing Tu eres una escusa de humano! le hubiera sido mejor a tu padre haber eyaculado en la tierra! de todas maneras no tienes otro proposito mas que puro hacer tropezar a las personas con tu doctrina de demonios.
@imtherealthing Está uma desculpa para humano! teria sido melhor ter o seu pai ejaculou na terra! de qualquer maneira você não tem outra finalidade que não pura para as pessoas viagem com sua doutrina de demônios.
@imtherealthing Doctrine & Covenants 132:19-22 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be (continue)
LOL..I had to laugh at your supposed accurate D&C 132:19-22 quote...LOL...oh my...you dimwit...go read it at LDS(dot)org...moron!!!...like I said..ALWAYS check your stupid cut and paste jobs...lol
@imtherealthing Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory. For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation (contin)
@imtherealthing of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me. Are you sure you know your LDS scriptures? LOL
@imtherealthing lds(dot)org and institute(dot)lds(dot)org. Don't make excuses for your pathetic believes in Mormnism. No wait? you are a Moron, I mean Mormon! therefore you are pathetic. LOL
@imtherealthing Hey sex man, you didn't respond to me. I see that you are still bragging about all of your so-called education. Let me ask you this: How do we know you are telling the truth about yourself and not reading a script or is not one of the "lying kind" or "serpent" that you like to call others who don't agree with Mormonism? And again, you would never say any of those things to someone's face you punk. Perhaps you should stop drinking urine, it's really destroying your brain cells.
@imtherealthing Have you answer if Mormonism is in the bible? No wait? how about the angel Moroni? Wait again! Let me answer this one for ya! the angel Moroni is in the Satanic bible! did you know that? LOl again.
@imtherealthing Oh thank you! mental problem? oh you are talking about Mormons who have to believe in Joseph smith in order to go to heaven! I thought Jesus was the way and our mediator for that! Just keep believing you need a passport form Joseph to be where Christ and G-d is. This is your demonic theology. Oh I forgot. LOL
@imtherealthing "Mental case...you have serious mental problems...just keep on blathering...you make for a good case study of what your kind is." Oh my you should talk future sex machine man. Hey dude, how do we know you are telling the truth about all of this so-called education you claim to be taking? You can state anything on youtube to make yourself sound good. And that's what you are doing punk. Remember, stop drinking your mom's urine, it's really making you an unhappy wittle fellow.
In LDS theology we say that The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE in PURPOSE not BEING...this GODHEAD is what we LDS say constitutes "ONE GOD" - a unity of GODS who are ALL FULLY GOD working as ONE unit in a GODHEAD
THREE seperate GODS worthy of worship, yet we pray to the FATHER GOD in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST and receive confirmation by the Holy Ghost.
TITLES like : Eternal Father or LORD can be applied to both the FATHER GOD and JESUS, Elohim also ...these are "TITLES" in MOST cases we LDS know that Lord is Jehovah/Jesus as Elohim is the Father
“And this is ‘LIFE ETERNAL’, that THEY might KNOW THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, “and” Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.”
Notice the “and”…who sent Jesus?...did Jesus send himself? Silly Trinitarians. The Godhead is NOT a “mystery” like you Trinitarians teach..but it is LIFE ETERNAL to know them both as they are distinct separate beings here in this verse.
Hey bubba....regarding your argument that our prophets spoke of a trinity...they spoke of the Godhead in that conext when in the FEW cases they used the word "trinity" to show we are refering to the council of THREE GODS who make up the Godhead. WE have NEVER taught a belief in your nicene trinity...CONTEXT...context...but like most of your kind who cut and paste objections out of context you find via a google search...you lack the intelligence to actually do REAL research.
@imtherealthing Jo 22:10-34. The special altar built by the two and half tribes near the river, though well intentioned, aroused suspicion enters the western tribes. Feared the rebellion against the altar at Shiloh, which served to all tribes in unity. When they were challenged, the men of the tribes of this explained their reasons for following the true God, be in unity with the rest of Israel, and not be considered as foreigners. The explanation was found with the approval of other Israelites!
@imtherealthing Read Abraham 4:1 Pearl of great price Gospel Principal, 245 1997 edition, And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that are the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth and you know the rest! So accordingly to your beliefs there is ONE God! So do I. and your leaders theology’s use the bible, I say your leaders have speculated a lot.
The Shema which is what Deut 6:4 is refering to would not recognize your trinity..as a matter of fact that is why the Jews and Muslims refer to the trinity as "polytheism"..no matter how you SPIN it..the trinity still says they are "three seperate GODS" but are connected by this non-biblical "essence" or "substance" thus making them really ONE GOD...sorry..but the Shema does not RECOGNIZE your 3-headed god.
Here is a scholarly proof of your corrupted, man-made Trinity. The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicaea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
The New Encyclopedia Britannica: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: (Deut. 6:4). . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since." -- Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. (1976)
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man
Are you suggesting the Monarchianists, Arius, Eusebius and their entourage were few in number? Infact Eusebius was certain that he would prevail with logic against trinitians, and he would haved done so but the politically dominitant trinitarians siding with Athanasius,the black Dwarf, loaded the council with their own bishops, preventing members of the other camp from even voting on the issue. The vote was fixed..
Jesus' on the false "christian" churches of men and thier CREEDS: JS-H 1: 19
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
“And this is ‘LIFE ETERNAL’, that THEY might KNOW THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, “and” Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.”
Notice the “and”…who sent Jesus?...did Jesus send himself? Silly Trinitarians. The Godhead is NOT a “mystery” like you Trinitarians teach..but it is LIFE ETERNAL to know them both as they are distinct separate beings here in this verse.
THREE seperate GODS worthy of worship, yet we pray to the FATHER GOD in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST and receive confirmation by the Holy Ghost.
TITLES like : Eternal Father or LORD can be applied to both the FATHER GOD and JESUS, Elohim also ...these are "TITLES" in MOST cases we LDS know that Lord is Jehovah/Jesus as Elohim is the Father
In LDS theology we say that The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE in PURPOSE not BEING...this GODHEAD is what we LDS say constitutes "ONE GOD" - a unity of GODS who are ALL FULLY GOD working as ONE unit in a GODHEAD.
@imtherealthing I've given you scripture and you give me man made books? I frankly don't care what encyclopedia says. It is quite evident from scripture that the God head aka trinity was fully believed by the apostles.(The only true apostles I might add.) Chinaculiacan has lambasted you as well. You will never win this argument as you have no basis for any of your beliefs. True Christians use the Holy Bible for all sound doctrine. Unlike LDS heretics.
YOUR QUOTE: "I've given you scripture and you give me man made books?"
MY REPLY: Listen simpleton..your "scriptures you quote..do NOT have the words "essence" or "substance" or "nature" in them for your 3-headed god. The "man-made" books...like the Encyclopedias I CITED to show you that your "trinity" was a "man-made" doctrine upsets you huh? Well those "men" happen to be BIBLICAL SCHOLARS...you know the ones who get divinity degrees and THD's (doctrates) in theology
YOUR QUOTE: "True Christians use the Holy Bible for all sound doctrine."
MY REPLY: You are just a stupid as Shawn in this video above...lol..listen simpleton.. most "Christians" NEVER had the Bible for the first almost 1800 years after Christ..dimwit...so how were they able to have "sound doctrine"? In the early church (1st-3rd century) they never had the Bible PERIOD...they had the leaders of the church guide them by the spirit..not a "book"...but by men chosen by God.
@imtherealthing Thanks for showing that your not a Christian by your comments. The more you type the more we can show mormonism isn't Biblical Christianity. Matthew 37 AD Mark 57 AD Luke 63 AD. Those are the Gospels They where around and in abundance so much so there are in total 24,000 extant manuscripts in various languages and all of them agreeing with each other from the first century. Christians had scripture. This further shows your ignorance.
Simpelton..those books are CLAIMED to have been written in those times...they were NOT available to the Christians like you want to believe. They were circulated amongst SOME of the churches ALONG WITH so many others that were not in the Bibles of today. How do I know this? I only did a theology degree at Masters College in Newhall CA before my conversion to the TRUTH. I later earned a Relgious Studies degree from Canada and now working on my MA in Early Christian history.
I find it so funny that you want to play so innocent while I have heard you mock my faith and belittle me and others of my faith. I saw you comment on here and other places in like manner....you are so like the FALSE christians I always meet. I believe the Saviour called people like you "hypocrites"
@imtherealthing By the way those Gospels where written by men chosen by God. Joseph Smith who was into witch craft, sorcery, lying, stealing, adulterating, fornicating, arrogant, and just plain evil man was not chosen by God. He was a false prophet.
YOUR QUOTE: "By the way those Gospels where written by men chosen by God. Joseph Smith who was into witch craft, sorcery, lying, stealing, adulterating, fornicating, arrogant, and just plain evil man was not chosen by God. He was a false prophet."
MY REPLY: Like most of your uneducated kind...you never bother to "think" before commenting. Let me ask you..how do YOU know those men who wrote the Bible were called by God? Again, you mock my faith - hypocrite..the irony.
All your "OPINON"..remeber serpent...the same accusations were made against the apostles and even Christ in his day by the MAINSTREAM church (The Saducees and Pharisees). Keep this in mind serpent: Acts 28: 22
But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this SECT [cult], we know that every where it is spoken against.
Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Luke 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
Notice in Luke 11 - the words "YE BUILD"<-- not past tense...speaking of that time and those now
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”.
RE: Acts 7:51-54 Note that people REJECT and PERSECUTE the prophets and the Holy Spirit is resisted - when we ask you to pray to know the truth...you mock us..you do not put your faith in answers one receives by the Holy Spirit...you persecute the prophets HE sends and the gospel by ANGELS...when we tell you these things you "gnash" on us with your teeth. TRUTH burns the wicked...you hate on the TRUTH...look at all the anti-mormon(christian) people attacking..ie this video
You and your kind are like your counterparts the Saducees and Pharisees. when the Christians of the first century went about proclaiming NEW REVELATIONS (NT)...they clung to thier T.A.N.Ahk's (OT) saying those revelations were false and no need for more of God's word...sound familiar? YOU reject MORE of God's word (i.e. The Book of Mormon) as given by prophets like those wicked souls did in earlier times.
You and your kind when asked that if you had lived in those days: "Would you have followed the apostles and the prophets"? most say "yes"...but I say to you...the very same "spirit" that possesses you now...would have possessed you then...and like today where you REJECT HIS servants...you would have rejected and persecuted them in those days...for the "spirit" of the wicked one is in you.
@imtherealthing No I wouldn't reject the word of a True Apostle. Which is what they where. None of them spoke from pride, deceit, and arrogance. They spoke the truth. Joseph Smith whom boasted he did more than John, Peter, Paul, and Jesus Christ. Honestly really you call that lie from God? Jesus Christ is the chief and the cornerstone of the faith. Joseph Smith dares say he did more than Christ Jesus. Not revelations one revelation in Christ Jesus not Joseph Smith.
Stop getting your information from anti-mormon websites that are not accurate...also.. you forget that ALL men have fallen short of the glory of God for ALL have sinned. Prophets throughout the ages were NEVER perfect. Moses committed murder & took credit for drawing water from a rock rather than give glory to God for it, etc, David - we know his sins, Solomon also, Peter and Paul had a fall out with each other in the NT, etc, etc...don't cast a stone unless you have no sin
@imtherealthing None of them claimed to be greater than God. I cast a stone at this farce because that is what it is. The moment he dared utter the words that he did more than any many alive even Jesus Christ. You realize the man obviously didn't believe in Jesus. No one who is born again would have uttered those words much less call Christ a man.
@imtherealthing Friend indeed I am a sinner. I may well be the most wretched of all sinners. I have never done one thing that could match the majesty and glory of Christ who hung suspended between heaven and earth for the sake of a entire fallen race. Have I forgotten my sins no friend I have to repent daily but the key here is I'm forgiven. I do not glory in my perceived righteousness nor greatness because frankly I don't have any. Jesus Christ is the King of Righteousness
@imtherealthing LDS: Father & Son are resurrected men with physical bodies. Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body. Three totally separate Gods. God is married. Other Gods for other worlds. (D&C 130:22; Teachings, pp. 345-346, pp. 370 373; Doctrines of Salvation,v1, p. 10-12) BIBLE: God is not a man. (Num. 23:19) He has always been God. (Psa. 90:2; Mal. 3:6; Hab. 1:12; Rom.1:22-25)Only one God. (Isa. 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22) Father is Spirit and invisible.(John 4:24; 1 Tim. 1:17)
@imtherealthing "He just keeps getting fatter and uglier since he left the TRUTH...the Darkness in him has done this to him." Yep, with comments like this from you, we can all see that in spite of
no offense it getting annoying when you talk about a load of rubbish!
Lexi04121 6 days ago
Ok then! Imtheralthing is a son of viper! LOL
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan Hey my friend, did you notice that when I asked imtherealthing to show us where the words "soteriology," "harmartiology," "transcendence," "immanence," "preexistence," or "Christology" are found Scripture, words that codify teachings he probably believes in, he responded to me by stating for me not to use big words. Just a smoke and mirrors response for him. So his argument about the words "essence" or "substance" not being found in Scripture is irrelevant, just like he is.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@TheJpgr1958 He never answers to me when I asked him if Mormonism was in the scriptures! He couldn't answer to me either if his mother is practicing Polyandry, due to the teachings of his false prophets Joe when he took 11 already married women. Oh well! He spammed my posts!
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan I also see that imtherealthing never responded to any of your quotes you gave.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
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imtherealthing 2 weeks ago
(Ibid., vol. 2, p. 191). Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde received similar blessings, although Hyde's blessing has been falsified somewhat in modern printings of the History of the Church Of course none of the Mormon Apostles lived to see the Lord come.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
*YAWN*...nice copy and paste job and putting these out of context...and not showing what we have said about these ...lol..you make me laugh serpent....you truly do. Your IGNORANCE on LDS theology is so blantant...and sad.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing "*YAWN*" Yep, and that about sums up your IGNORANCE of Christian theology as well, you urine drinking punk. "you make me laugh" Well you make all of us who reads your dribble PUKE!! "Your IGNORANCE on LDS theology is so blantant...and sad." See previous comment. What's so sad is that you think because you have these so-called degrees, that you are above repraoch for some reason...that everyone who disagrees with you are morons, serpents, etc.
TheJpgr1958 3 weeks ago
@TheJpgr1958
YOUR QUOTE: "because you have these so-called degrees, that you are above repraoch for some reason...that everyone who disagrees with you are morons, serpents, etc.
MY REPLY: Um...its not because of my education...it's because of your "LACK" of an education you are stupid...sorry get it right.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing The only people who were lacking in education were your parents. They should have aborted you. Again, you are nothing but a punk who thinks he is smart because of his puesdo-degrees which will mean nothing when you are on your death bed. Still waiting for prove of your so-called debate you had with atheists. Post it so we all can all see it. Oh I forgot, debating to you means youtube, the gym or Starbucks. Keep staying save behind your keyboard.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@TheJpgr1958
You make me laugh as do most anti-mormons...I have NEVER met and intellgient anti-mormon...and you are just one of thousands...although you rank up there for the dumbest ones I have met. ;)
imtherealthing 1 week ago
@imtherealthing And again, you would never state what you wrote to my face, nor any one else's. You are just a low life chicken shit, wanna be debater, who drinks his own mom's urine. Keep hiding behind your keyboard punk. I also see you didn't comment on any of Chinculiacan's quotes. Oh but I know what you will state, he's stupid, just like everyone else is who dosen't agree with Mormonism. Punk. LOL!! Too bad your mom didn't abort you. The world would be a better place.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@TheJpgr1958
Wow..listen to your "christianity"...can we say "anger problems"? Yup..yessir...your brand of christianity sure is the true christianity...your kind makes all sorts of excuses for not living like christians...that is what your "faith alone" doctrine teaches...it makes excuses for living the life of a dsiciple of Christ...keep your false religion and your 3-headed god. Have you found the words "essence" or "substance" yet in the Bible to support your nicene god? Well?
imtherealthing 1 week ago
@imtherealthing Oh my, what tripe you spew. I'm just throwing back at you what YOU throw at everyone else. You want to call me and others names such as stupid, moron, uneducated, serpent, plus others? GREAT!! I can play that game as well. Remember the old cliche: "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." And this is YOUR "True Christianity?" Pot meet kettle stupid chicken shit. Keep hiding behind your keyboard punk ass. Your degrees won't mean squat in the end.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@TheJpgr1958
The difference is you are VULGAR...and your words are evil. Again, where are the words "essence" or "substance" in the Bible...go to ANY professor of the Bible (THD) and ask him this...tell him to find your "god" in the Bible.
imtherealthing 1 week ago
@imtherealthing "The difference is you are VULGAR...and your words are evil." What a idiot you are. ALL name calling is vulgar and evil. There is no distinction. All right numb nuts, I'll answer your question if you can show us where the words "soteriology," "harmartiology," "transcendence," "immanence," "preexistence," or "Christology" are found Scripture. Yet I bet you believe the teachings that each one of those words represents. If you can't, then we dismiss your arguments as irrelevant.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@TheJpgr1958
Don't use big words if you don't have a clue about what they mean and especially in relation to LDS theology. The words I am asking you for are NEEDED in order for your god to exist in scripture..otherwise...you are interpreting INTO the scripture a god that just does not exist...that is your dilemma. Calling you "an idiot" or "stupid" is no different than the saviour calling people fools and serpents/vipers...they are modern equivalents...but your words are just VULGAR.
imtherealthing 1 week ago
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@TheJpgr1958 Your comment: "What a idiot you are. ALL name calling is vulgar and evil. There is no distinction. All right numb nuts, I'll answer your question" So, its ok for YOU to call someone an idiot & numb nuts? As YOU said "ALL name calling is vulgar & evil. But you're special & its not evil for YOU to do so?
The only thing i want to know, is how to get those annoying missionaries to quit knocking at my door, calling my home/cell (everyday) leave me alone & quit STALKING ME?
venuslock35 1 week ago
@imtherealthing I also see you didn't comment on any of Chinculiacan's quotes. Oh but I know what you will state, he's stupid, just like everyone else is who dosen't agree with Mormonism.
TheJpgr1958 1 week ago
@imtherealthing Always keep remembering that you would NEVER state those things to some one's face. Just keep hiding behing your keyboard and brag about your half-ass education. Keep drinking your mom's urine punk.
TheJpgr1958 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Oh yes, you stated in a previous comment, that you have debated atheists. If this is true, post these debates on line so we can all see and hear them. Or are these debates done on the internet, Starbucks, the gym etc? If so, those are not even in the same ball park as a REAL scholastic debate urine head. When you do one of those and post it for all to see, then you may have something, but until then, you should zip the lip.
TheJpgr1958 3 weeks ago
@TheJpgr1958
Still waiting for you to prove your 3-headed god exists in the Bible...yessir...where are the words "essence" or "substance" in the Bible....stop running from this...you have to face it...because without those words "in the Bible"...your god simply ceases to exist...lol..you make me laugh...an uneducated hick...thinks he knows theology...yessir..that is funny.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Mitt Romney is an embarrassment to your church lol
liamlloyd77 3 weeks ago
@liamlloyd77
*YAWN*...sorry did you say something?
imtherealthing 2 weeks ago
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@TheJpgr1958
YOUR QUOTE: "scholastic debate"
MY REPLY: This coming from you?...ROFL!!!!...the guy who still can't prove his "god" is in the Bible with simply looking for a couple of words "essence" or "substance"...oh you make me laugh...lol..it sucks believing in a god you can't prove existed in the Bible huh?
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner. Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions.
Chinaculiacan 2 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. Oh sure sure, I would love to be a member of your organization, NOOOOOOOOOT.
Chinaculiacan 2 weeks ago
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LOL..whatever mental case. Go worship your 3-headed god. I will stay with the TRUTH.
imtherealthing 2 weeks ago
by Parley P. Pratt, p. 15; copied from a microfilm of the original at the Mormon church historian's library). This tract was reprinted in the book Writings of Parley P. Pratt, but this entire prophecy was deleted without any indication. Your Mormon leaders forgot that their lies were not going to be hidden forever! (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 188). William Smith's blessing stated: "He shall be preserved and remain on the earth, until Christ shall come to take vengeance on the wicked"
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
and Joseph Smith's statement that "fifty-six years should wind up the scene" did not come to pass. Writing in 1838, Apostle Parley P. Pratt said the following: "Now, Mr. Sunderland. I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false" (Mormonism Unveiled-Truth Vindicated,
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
which he granted by laying his hands upon my head, in the name of Jesus Christ, and declaring that I should continue in the Priest's office until Christ comes." When the Twelve Apostles were first ordained in the Mormon church some of them also received the promise that they would live until Christ came: "The blessing of Lyman E. Johnson was, that he shall live until the gathering is accomplished. and he shall see the Savior come and stand upon the earth with power and great glory" (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
(A servant of God, holding the power and keys of the Holy Apostleship does not speak in this manner for mere pastime. There is more in these utterances than we are apt to attach to them, unless we are aided by the Spirit of God.) ("Daily journal of Abraham H. Cannon," October 14, 1886, BYU Library). Under the date of January 23, 1833, Joseph Smith recorded the following in his History of the Church, volume 1, page 323: " my father presented himself, I asked of him a father's blessing, (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
"It is my belief, that the time of our deliverance will be within five years; the time indicated being February 14th, 1891. And that the man raised up will be no other than the Prophet Joseph Smith in his resurrected body. the government will pass into the hands of the Saints, and that within five years. There will not be a city in the Union that will not be in danger of disruption by the Knights of Labor, who are becoming a formidable power in the land." (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890."Klaus J. Hansen says that "in 1890 there was a widespread belief among church members that Joseph Smith's prediction of 1835, that fifty-six years would 'wind up the scene,' would be fulfilled" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1966, p. 76). On October 14, 1886, Abraham H. Cannon recorded the following in his journal: Thursday, Oct. 14th:-The following are words spoken by Apostle Moses Thatcher, at Lewiston
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
On the same page Joseph Smith said: "There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." Joseph Smith then proceeded to make a prophesy about the coming of Christ. Since the last six words have been deleted in the History of the Church (under the date of April 6, 1843) but the cite on the original source is—i.e., Joseph Smith's diary, March 10, 1843-July 14, 1843: ". I prophecy in the name of the Lord God-& let it be written: that the Son of Man will (conti)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
should wind up the scene." Joseph Smith later said that a voice once told him the following: " 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.' I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make his appearance or I shall go where He is" (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 336). (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied that the coming of the Lord was near and that fifty-six years should wind up the scene. In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, we read as follows: "President Smith then stated, it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh-even fifty-six years (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
I have to go! but I'll come back tomorrow, I'm still waiting for you answer realthing if Mormonism is in the bible.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan lmfao you're debating with "therealthing" haha His name should let you know it is impossible to argue rationally with him. I remember debating him and he is ignorant and will never learn. He would rather believe in what he wants to be true rather than want to know what the facts say loool
liamlloyd77 3 weeks ago
@liamlloyd77 I see!! Most of them are! I get your meaning! He is a devout Moron, I mean Mormon! Let's not worry about him; he will be doing what is asked of him by Joe! Joe is going to ask for his wife when he gets to Kolab, maybe not his wife, maybe his little girl. I guess that's an lol! Yeah,is an Loooooollll. :)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Your comments made me laugh...thanks ignoramus...you certainly are mental like most of your kind. Complete uneducated morons. You know absolutely ZERO about LDS theology...no wonder you worship a 3-headed god...now that's funny.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
this bullshit is exactly why i am an anti theist....a world of debate for nothing except for the sake of argument...everyone drop religions and find your own path to God. Clowns....
mytubedude532 3 weeks ago
I enjoy reading the byu/lds/mormon educated self appointed church apologist. Still waiting for the 12 or monson to validly say something of solid truth.
BayAreaSun 3 weeks ago
SO LEARN SOMETHING
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
RE :USING EXTRA-SCRIPTURAL SOURCES IN LDS THEOLOGY
LDS theology is only based on the following:
The Bible
The Book of Mormon
The D&C
The PofGP
And General Conferance talks that eventually get sustained as revelation to be binding on the saints (i.e. The Proclamation to the World)
These are called the STANDARD WORKS - and if it doesn't come from any of these..then it is just speculation and "theory" - not doctrine nor binding on the saints.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing not doctrine nor binding on the saints. I say you are well binding with your false prophet.
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
RE: Isa. 43:10
The Jews were first polytheistic then they shifted to henotheism then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
That is the context. FALSE gods
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses! My servant. The God of Israel and repeatedly predicted the future accurately, which allowed Israel to testify to its accuracy and truth (verse 13) and thus confirm the reality that He is the only eternal and living God. This witness also take place in the millennial kingdom.
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan I'm glad you are using sound Biblical doctrine friend. May you be blessed for standing for Holy Scripture. I call you brother indeed for standing for the truth!
BrotherMichael1000 4 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word, (continue)
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Seriously - your arguments are lame.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000 and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on him, and poor him and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy. Sister Here! :)
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Acts 7:54
“When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.”
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Acts 7:51-53
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
How can GOD send himself as "The Only "Begotten"?..did he "beget" himself?
What about Being the "First born"..was he the first born of himself?..I thought there was no begining for God?
God the Father + God the Son + God (HS)
EQUALS "ONE GOD" according to trinitarianism...so let's add that up again:
1+1+1 = 1...lol. silly trinitarians
Don't give me the 1x1x1=1 garbage because there is NO word "essence" to support this "in" the Bible.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Is the Word Mormonism in the BIBLE?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Why is it that one can sin against the FATHER and the SON but not against the HOLY GHOST as we read in the "bible"..if they are of the same essence or substance or MIND as trinitarians say ..why is it that you are not sinning against the HOLY GHOST when you sin against the Father and Son..if they are the same ESSENCE or SUBSTANCE or MIND?
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Take the New Testament off the bible, can you find the Father the Son and the Holy spirit in the Old testament?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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@Chinaculiacan
YET ANOTHER MORON QUOTE: "Take the New Testament off the bible, can you find the Father the Son and the Holy spirit in the Old testament?"
MY REPLY: Absolutely. Jesus was Jehovah (although the "title" of Lord or Jehovah was sometimes shared with the Father). The Father God was mostly known as Elohim but again that "title" was also at times used for Jesus/ Jehovah. And the Spirit was indeed found in the OT...moron
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Why is it that false christianity needs analogies like an egg, a triangle, or water in its three phases to EXPLAIN thier 3-headed god?..can you point to just ONE place in the Bible where ANY of the prophets or apostles use these very analogies or ANY analogies for that matter to explain the GODHEAD?..well?
Guess your "god" is not found in the bible huh?
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Show me where your nicene god is in the bible...show me where the words "essence" or "substance" are in the bible to describe the ONENESS in that context? Where are these words in ANY of the ORIGINAL langauges?..well? ..tell me..why does one not find the words "essence" or "substance" in the bible when you speak of the GODHEAD being ONE GOD...those words are NOT found in the bible in ANY of the original languages..it is EXTRA-BIBLICAL..that means outside of the bible.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
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@Chinaculiacan
Why is it that false christianity needs analogies like an egg, a triangle, or water in its three phases to EXPLAIN thier 3-headed god?..can you point to just ONE place in the Bible where ANY of the prophets or apostles use these very analogies or ANY analogies for that matter to explain the GODHEAD?..well?
Guess your "god" is not found in the bible huh?
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Guess Mormonism is not in the bible!
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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@Chinaculiacan
YOUR MORONIC QUOTE : "Guess Mormonism is not in the bible! "
MY REPLY: You are a moron. But hey, if that is the best you can do...lol..then like the rest of your kind...your IQ might just be a tad up from a vegetable.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Oh man...that video you sent me was soooo funny...that guys is you isn't it?...he sounds like a real simpleton...sounds like he is reading a script ...it's obvious he was never active in the LDS church...probably got baptized and left within a year..never knew his own theology....or was never one to begin with...like most of your lying kind...you are all lying serpents.,,LOL...oh man..thanks for the laugh....
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Oh no hon! Thank you for the laughs your false prophet gives! Check this out.
Recently atop the new 60 story building being constructed in down town Salt lake City the following was overheard:
"Hey Mac, come over here to the edge with me; what's your name?"
"I'm Ralph, who are you?"
"Well, Ralph, I'm Jeff, sent here by
the prophet to bring good news, are you a member of the priesthood, Ralph?" "Yea, sure, Melchizedek in fact, Why Jeff?" "Well, Ralph, (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing do you recall how Jesus walked on water? Well, the prophet has been given the keys to walk on air and extends it to all the priesthood. Here, watch this." Jeff steps off the ledge and walks out about ten feet and stands there in mid air. "Wow!" says Ralph, "Do you mean I can do that?" "Certainly", replies Jeff, "Just make a leap of faith." Ralph takes a step from the ledge and plunges screaming to the pavement 60 floors below. (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Jeff walks back to the building and calls to another worker, "Hey, Mac, come over here." Meanwhile on the street a passerby notices the occasional rain of bodies and approaches an apparently unconcerned worker nearby, "Say, didn't you see several workers falling from above?" "Oh yea, it's just Superman screwing around with the Mormons again." So dude! If you believe in Mormonism so bad! Be careful with superman. LOL
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
What's the matter?..feelings hurt because I pointed out your stupidity? Still want to spar simpleton? Come on..show me what you know of LDS theology.....lol
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing What's the matter? angry because I don't believe in your false prophet! lol again.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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@Chinaculiacan
YOUR QUOTE: "What's the matter? angry because I don't believe in your false prophet! lol again."
MY REPLY: Not at all moron...like the Saducees and Pharisees...your kind have always rejected the Lord's servants.
Luke 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Matt. 10: 41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing 1.I think your mother made a deal with the devil, because you were born and now believes in demonic teachings! Oh yes! You haven’t answer if Moron, I mean Mormon is in the bible, So believe in your prophet? Well can you answer his false prophesies? Saints to gather to Independence, Mo. and build Temple (D&C 84) No longer teach the gathering and temple never built. Zion (Independence, Mo.) cannot fall (D&C 97:19) Mormons driven out. Army to redeem Zion (Independence, MO)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing cannot fall (D&C 97:19)
Mormons driven out. Army to redeem Zion (Independence, MO) (D&C 103)
Mission unsuccessful. V.30-34 God seems to be unsure about how large an army to raise. Civil War Prophecy (D&C 87)mEngland and other nations did not join in. United Order (D&C 104)V.1 Commanded as everlasting order; V.48 & 53 dissolved and reorganized. Riches of Salem to pay church debt (D&C 111) No riches found, debts not paid. Apostle Patten to go on mission in Spring 1839 (D&C 114)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing He was shot in Oct. of 1838. Wouldn't God have known he was going to die before the next spring? New gathering place and temple in Far West (D&C 115)
LDS driven out, never built the temple. Build a temple in Nauvoo and house for Smiths (D&C 124) Temple and house not completed. Christ to return in 1890-1891 period (D&C 130:14-15)
Christ did not return.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Luke 1:68-72
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
As he spake BY THE MOUTH OF HIS HOLY PROPHETS, which have been SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Look dude! there was nothing holy about any prophets, You got that one really wrong! among so many things. LOL
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in WORKS they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Acts 7:54
“When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.”
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Acts 7:51-53
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Show me where your nicene god is in the bible...show me where the words "essence" or "substance" are in the bible to describe the ONENESS in that context? Where are these words in ANY of the ORIGINAL langauges?..well? ..why does one not find the words "essence" or "substance" in the bible when you speak of the GODHEAD being ONE GOD...those words are NOT found in the bible in ANY of the original languages..it is EXTRA-BIBLICAL..that means outside of the bible
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Where is the word Mormnism in the bible? now! that is an exxxxttttrrrrraaaa and is way outside of the bible.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Look dude! you keep wearin your green Masonic Apron, and keep answeing to lucifer when Adam prays for religion. Keep believing the were 6 feet tall men in the moon, Keep believing Joe saw G-d and Christ, or Christ and an angel, or an Angel and G-d, or G-d and the Holy spirit, how many versions are there? about 11, Poor guy, he couldn't even get the first vision right! Lol on him.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
LOl..what a moron...lol...so uneducated and plain stupid...as stupid gets....thanks for the laughs...lol
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing What was that stupid? I mean moron? no wait, brain washed, What happened to Joe's prophesies?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
I just love how morons like you "think" they know LDS theology by simply doing a "google" search...as expected...ALL of your so-caqlled knowledge is from "google"..no academic discipline...no quoting PRIMARY SOURCES...if they are..like most cut and paste jobs from the internet...99% are out of context or straight out lies....I'm laughing so hard now..lol..thanks for demonstrating just how stupid you are...no surprise...you fit in with most anti-mormons...uneducated and stupid.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing How about LDS(dotorg. or Mormon(dot)com? Is your own church history and records, I just love how morons like you use the word google and think we can be dismiss.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
No simpleton...you will not find the stuff you are quoting on the LDS website...sorry...nice try. If it is there...then I believe it..have no problem with it....like the doctinre of "Theosis" or Deification...moron...as taught in the EARLY Christian church...I can't stress just how stupid you are...seriously
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing What was that Stupid? Oh yes! What happened to your prophets false prophesies? why didn't they come to pass? Oh Yes! that's because your prophet was a false one to the core! Y te lo puedo decir tambien en otra lengua! Que tal esta? Eres el hombre mas estupido y ciego que pueda ver! sigue creendo en tu falso profeta, cuando llegues a tu planeta asegurate que le des tu esposa!
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
YOUR MORONIC QUOTE: "What happened to your prophets false prophesies?"
MY REPLY: ROFL!!!!...this is just too funny...there is not ONE single prophecy that has failed...the prophecies of the Bible can be litterally turned around like you serpents dfo with modern revelation...I know..I debate atheists on thier attacks on FAILED BIBLICAL prophecies...dimwit...all the answers are there...but like most of your seprent kind..you can TWIST the truth
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing What was that doofus? Tell us why Jesus didn't come when Joe said he was?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing TWIST the truth? Joe was pretty good in that one! Hey dude! are you ready to give your wife to joe?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Hey dude! Let me give you your life's definition when you believe in Mormonism! is = Birdbrain, blockhead, dolt, boor, bonehead, donkey, chump, dope, boob, clown. You want to know what Mormons leaders taught in early Mormonism? I tel you if you believe in that! There is something really serious with you! Well! Your mother made a deal with he devil, I guess you are his offspring! Wait? Mormon, Your brother is Lucifer! you sure he is not your father?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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@Chinaculiacan
I just love how morons like you "think" they know LDS theology by simply doing a "google" search...as expected...ALL of your so-caqlled knowledge is from "google"..no academic discipline...no quoting PRIMARY SOURCES...if they are..like most cut and paste jobs from the internet...99% are out of context or straight out lies....I'm laughing so hard now..lol..thanks for demonstrating just how stupid you are...no surprise...you fit in with most anti-mormons...uneducated and stupid.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing English is not even my first language and can still give you proof of how stupid and demonic your doctrines are! I'm not anti-Mormon, I'm anti-false prophets, anti-false teachers, and anti-lies, and anti-stupidities like your church leaders taught. So go and keep wearing your green Masonic Apron. I guess is an LOL? Oh yes, LOL on you and Joe Smith. Wait! I can't go to heaven because I don't accept him as a true prophet, Oh no, someone save me, Waaaahahaha Yeap, is in LOL big time
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
YOUR QUOTE: "English is not even my first language"
MY REPLY: I doubt any langauge is your first language...don't make excuses for your stupidity.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Tu eres una escusa de humano! le hubiera sido mejor a tu padre haber eyaculado en la tierra! de todas maneras no tienes otro proposito mas que puro hacer tropezar a las personas con tu doctrina de demonios.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Está uma desculpa para humano! teria sido melhor ter o seu pai ejaculou na terra! de qualquer maneira você não tem outra finalidade que não pura para as pessoas viagem com sua doutrina de demônios.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Doctrine & Covenants 132:19-22 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be (continue)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
LOL..I had to laugh at your supposed accurate D&C 132:19-22 quote...LOL...oh my...you dimwit...go read it at LDS(dot)org...moron!!!...like I said..ALWAYS check your stupid cut and paste jobs...lol
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory. For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation (contin)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me. Are you sure you know your LDS scriptures? LOL
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. How are these for your LDS official website quoting?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing lds(dot)org and institute(dot)lds(dot)org. Don't make excuses for your pathetic believes in Mormnism. No wait? you are a Moron, I mean Mormon! therefore you are pathetic. LOL
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Hey sex man, you didn't respond to me. I see that you are still bragging about all of your so-called education. Let me ask you this: How do we know you are telling the truth about yourself and not reading a script or is not one of the "lying kind" or "serpent" that you like to call others who don't agree with Mormonism? And again, you would never say any of those things to someone's face you punk. Perhaps you should stop drinking urine, it's really destroying your brain cells.
TheJpgr1958 3 weeks ago
@TheJpgr1958
...still wating for you to show me where your nicene god is in the Bible nut case...keep on running with your tail between your legs ;)
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing What was that Serpernt?
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Have you answer if Mormonism is in the bible? No wait? how about the angel Moroni? Wait again! Let me answer this one for ya! the angel Moroni is in the Satanic bible! did you know that? LOl again.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Mental case...you have serious mental problems...just keep on blathering...you make for a good case study of what your kind is.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Oh thank you! mental problem? oh you are talking about Mormons who have to believe in Joseph smith in order to go to heaven! I thought Jesus was the way and our mediator for that! Just keep believing you need a passport form Joseph to be where Christ and G-d is. This is your demonic theology. Oh I forgot. LOL
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing LDS Teachings on Temple Work.
LDS teaches heavenly father was once a man,.
LDS teaches sins paid for by Christ primarily in the garden.
LDS teaches prayer Joseph was a true prophet and should be taken as such.
LDS teaches How the LDS Husband Hopes to Resurrect His Wife According to the LDS Temple Ceremony - Wife's salvation dependant on husband.
LDS Church Leaders Declare Christianity to be in a State of Total Apostasy.
LDS Leaders Define Their Concept of JESUS CHRIST.
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
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@imtherealthing "Mental case...you have serious mental problems...just keep on blathering...you make for a good case study of what your kind is." Oh my you should talk future sex machine man. Hey dude, how do we know you are telling the truth about all of this so-called education you claim to be taking? You can state anything on youtube to make yourself sound good. And that's what you are doing punk. Remember, stop drinking your mom's urine, it's really making you an unhappy wittle fellow.
TheJpgr1958 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
In LDS theology we say that The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE in PURPOSE not BEING...this GODHEAD is what we LDS say constitutes "ONE GOD" - a unity of GODS who are ALL FULLY GOD working as ONE unit in a GODHEAD
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
LDS THEOLOGY(that has NEVER changed):
The Father = Fully GOD
The Son (Jehovah/Jesus) = Fully GOD
The Holy Spirit = Fully GOD
THREE seperate GODS worthy of worship, yet we pray to the FATHER GOD in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST and receive confirmation by the Holy Ghost.
TITLES like : Eternal Father or LORD can be applied to both the FATHER GOD and JESUS, Elohim also ...these are "TITLES" in MOST cases we LDS know that Lord is Jehovah/Jesus as Elohim is the Father
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
John 17:3
“And this is ‘LIFE ETERNAL’, that THEY might KNOW THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, “and” Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.”
Notice the “and”…who sent Jesus?...did Jesus send himself? Silly Trinitarians. The Godhead is NOT a “mystery” like you Trinitarians teach..but it is LIFE ETERNAL to know them both as they are distinct separate beings here in this verse.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
Hey bubba....regarding your argument that our prophets spoke of a trinity...they spoke of the Godhead in that conext when in the FEW cases they used the word "trinity" to show we are refering to the council of THREE GODS who make up the Godhead. WE have NEVER taught a belief in your nicene trinity...CONTEXT...context...but like most of your kind who cut and paste objections out of context you find via a google search...you lack the intelligence to actually do REAL research.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
The CONTEXT of the SHEMA (Deut 6:4) is that they were not to follow after "FALSE" gods.
Read Joshua 22:22
God is the God of gods...
Now is God the God of TRUE gods or FALSE gods?
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Jo 22:10-34. The special altar built by the two and half tribes near the river, though well intentioned, aroused suspicion enters the western tribes. Feared the rebellion against the altar at Shiloh, which served to all tribes in unity. When they were challenged, the men of the tribes of this explained their reasons for following the true God, be in unity with the rest of Israel, and not be considered as foreigners. The explanation was found with the approval of other Israelites!
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Read Abraham 4:1 Pearl of great price Gospel Principal, 245 1997 edition, And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that are the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth and you know the rest! So accordingly to your beliefs there is ONE God! So do I. and your leaders theology’s use the bible, I say your leaders have speculated a lot.
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Since they write their own versions of who G-d is.
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
The Shema which is what Deut 6:4 is refering to would not recognize your trinity..as a matter of fact that is why the Jews and Muslims refer to the trinity as "polytheism"..no matter how you SPIN it..the trinity still says they are "three seperate GODS" but are connected by this non-biblical "essence" or "substance" thus making them really ONE GOD...sorry..but the Shema does not RECOGNIZE your 3-headed god.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Dude Your prophet taught and preached of the Trinity! Whay are you doing here trying to prove something even your false prophet did.
Chinaculiacan 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
TRINITY
Here is a scholarly proof of your corrupted, man-made Trinity. The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicaea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
The New Encyclopedia Britannica: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: (Deut. 6:4). . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since." -- Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. (1976)
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
On the devil-inspired doctrine of the “Trinity”
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Are you suggesting the Monarchianists, Arius, Eusebius and their entourage were few in number? Infact Eusebius was certain that he would prevail with logic against trinitians, and he would haved done so but the politically dominitant trinitarians siding with Athanasius,the black Dwarf, loaded the council with their own bishops, preventing members of the other camp from even voting on the issue. The vote was fixed..
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Jesus' on the false "christian" churches of men and thier CREEDS: JS-H 1: 19
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
John 17:3
“And this is ‘LIFE ETERNAL’, that THEY might KNOW THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, “and” Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.”
Notice the “and”…who sent Jesus?...did Jesus send himself? Silly Trinitarians. The Godhead is NOT a “mystery” like you Trinitarians teach..but it is LIFE ETERNAL to know them both as they are distinct separate beings here in this verse.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
LDS THEOLOGY(that has NEVER changed):
The Father = Fully GOD
The Son (Jehovah/Jesus) = Fully GOD
The Holy Spirit = Fully GOD
THREE seperate GODS worthy of worship, yet we pray to the FATHER GOD in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST and receive confirmation by the Holy Ghost.
TITLES like : Eternal Father or LORD can be applied to both the FATHER GOD and JESUS, Elohim also ...these are "TITLES" in MOST cases we LDS know that Lord is Jehovah/Jesus as Elohim is the Father
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
In LDS theology we say that The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE in PURPOSE not BEING...this GODHEAD is what we LDS say constitutes "ONE GOD" - a unity of GODS who are ALL FULLY GOD working as ONE unit in a GODHEAD.
imtherealthing 4 weeks ago
@imtherealthing I've given you scripture and you give me man made books? I frankly don't care what encyclopedia says. It is quite evident from scripture that the God head aka trinity was fully believed by the apostles.(The only true apostles I might add.) Chinaculiacan has lambasted you as well. You will never win this argument as you have no basis for any of your beliefs. True Christians use the Holy Bible for all sound doctrine. Unlike LDS heretics.
BrotherMichael1000 4 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
YOUR QUOTE: "I've given you scripture and you give me man made books?"
MY REPLY: Listen simpleton..your "scriptures you quote..do NOT have the words "essence" or "substance" or "nature" in them for your 3-headed god. The "man-made" books...like the Encyclopedias I CITED to show you that your "trinity" was a "man-made" doctrine upsets you huh? Well those "men" happen to be BIBLICAL SCHOLARS...you know the ones who get divinity degrees and THD's (doctrates) in theology
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
YOUR QUOTE: "True Christians use the Holy Bible for all sound doctrine."
MY REPLY: You are just a stupid as Shawn in this video above...lol..listen simpleton.. most "Christians" NEVER had the Bible for the first almost 1800 years after Christ..dimwit...so how were they able to have "sound doctrine"? In the early church (1st-3rd century) they never had the Bible PERIOD...they had the leaders of the church guide them by the spirit..not a "book"...but by men chosen by God.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Thanks for showing that your not a Christian by your comments. The more you type the more we can show mormonism isn't Biblical Christianity. Matthew 37 AD Mark 57 AD Luke 63 AD. Those are the Gospels They where around and in abundance so much so there are in total 24,000 extant manuscripts in various languages and all of them agreeing with each other from the first century. Christians had scripture. This further shows your ignorance.
BrotherMichael1000 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
Simpelton..those books are CLAIMED to have been written in those times...they were NOT available to the Christians like you want to believe. They were circulated amongst SOME of the churches ALONG WITH so many others that were not in the Bibles of today. How do I know this? I only did a theology degree at Masters College in Newhall CA before my conversion to the TRUTH. I later earned a Relgious Studies degree from Canada and now working on my MA in Early Christian history.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
I find it so funny that you want to play so innocent while I have heard you mock my faith and belittle me and others of my faith. I saw you comment on here and other places in like manner....you are so like the FALSE christians I always meet. I believe the Saviour called people like you "hypocrites"
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing By the way those Gospels where written by men chosen by God. Joseph Smith who was into witch craft, sorcery, lying, stealing, adulterating, fornicating, arrogant, and just plain evil man was not chosen by God. He was a false prophet.
BrotherMichael1000 3 weeks ago
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@BrotherMichael1000
YOUR QUOTE: "By the way those Gospels where written by men chosen by God. Joseph Smith who was into witch craft, sorcery, lying, stealing, adulterating, fornicating, arrogant, and just plain evil man was not chosen by God. He was a false prophet."
MY REPLY: Like most of your uneducated kind...you never bother to "think" before commenting. Let me ask you..how do YOU know those men who wrote the Bible were called by God? Again, you mock my faith - hypocrite..the irony.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
All your "OPINON"..remeber serpent...the same accusations were made against the apostles and even Christ in his day by the MAINSTREAM church (The Saducees and Pharisees). Keep this in mind serpent: Acts 28: 22
But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this SECT [cult], we know that every where it is spoken against.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
This is the New Testament speaking of prophets:
Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Luke 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
Notice in Luke 11 - the words "YE BUILD"<-- not past tense...speaking of that time and those now
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
Acts 7:54
“When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.”
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
Acts 7:51-53
“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.
Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
RE: Acts 7:51-54 Note that people REJECT and PERSECUTE the prophets and the Holy Spirit is resisted - when we ask you to pray to know the truth...you mock us..you do not put your faith in answers one receives by the Holy Spirit...you persecute the prophets HE sends and the gospel by ANGELS...when we tell you these things you "gnash" on us with your teeth. TRUTH burns the wicked...you hate on the TRUTH...look at all the anti-mormon(christian) people attacking..ie this video
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
You and your kind are like your counterparts the Saducees and Pharisees. when the Christians of the first century went about proclaiming NEW REVELATIONS (NT)...they clung to thier T.A.N.Ahk's (OT) saying those revelations were false and no need for more of God's word...sound familiar? YOU reject MORE of God's word (i.e. The Book of Mormon) as given by prophets like those wicked souls did in earlier times.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
You and your kind when asked that if you had lived in those days: "Would you have followed the apostles and the prophets"? most say "yes"...but I say to you...the very same "spirit" that possesses you now...would have possessed you then...and like today where you REJECT HIS servants...you would have rejected and persecuted them in those days...for the "spirit" of the wicked one is in you.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing No I wouldn't reject the word of a True Apostle. Which is what they where. None of them spoke from pride, deceit, and arrogance. They spoke the truth. Joseph Smith whom boasted he did more than John, Peter, Paul, and Jesus Christ. Honestly really you call that lie from God? Jesus Christ is the chief and the cornerstone of the faith. Joseph Smith dares say he did more than Christ Jesus. Not revelations one revelation in Christ Jesus not Joseph Smith.
BrotherMichael1000 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
Stop getting your information from anti-mormon websites that are not accurate...also.. you forget that ALL men have fallen short of the glory of God for ALL have sinned. Prophets throughout the ages were NEVER perfect. Moses committed murder & took credit for drawing water from a rock rather than give glory to God for it, etc, David - we know his sins, Solomon also, Peter and Paul had a fall out with each other in the NT, etc, etc...don't cast a stone unless you have no sin
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing None of them claimed to be greater than God. I cast a stone at this farce because that is what it is. The moment he dared utter the words that he did more than any many alive even Jesus Christ. You realize the man obviously didn't believe in Jesus. No one who is born again would have uttered those words much less call Christ a man.
BrotherMichael1000 3 weeks ago
@BrotherMichael1000
You sound like a broken record...all the while forgetting your own sins...it's easier to see the perceived faults of others isn't it?
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Friend indeed I am a sinner. I may well be the most wretched of all sinners. I have never done one thing that could match the majesty and glory of Christ who hung suspended between heaven and earth for the sake of a entire fallen race. Have I forgotten my sins no friend I have to repent daily but the key here is I'm forgiven. I do not glory in my perceived righteousness nor greatness because frankly I don't have any. Jesus Christ is the King of Righteousness
BrotherMichael1000 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing LDS: Father & Son are resurrected men with physical bodies. Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body. Three totally separate Gods. God is married. Other Gods for other worlds. (D&C 130:22; Teachings, pp. 345-346, pp. 370 373; Doctrines of Salvation,v1, p. 10-12) BIBLE: God is not a man. (Num. 23:19) He has always been God. (Psa. 90:2; Mal. 3:6; Hab. 1:12; Rom.1:22-25)Only one God. (Isa. 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22) Father is Spirit and invisible.(John 4:24; 1 Tim. 1:17)
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@imtherealthing Ill get back to you on monday probly! if not sooner. Take care
Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
*YAWN*...you obviously do NOT understand LDS theology nor the scriptures.
imtherealthing 3 weeks ago
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@imtherealthing "He just keeps getting fatter and uglier since he left the TRUTH...the Darkness in him has done this to him." Yep, with comments like this from you, we can all see that in spite of