Lumeta: peel & stick solar - 2.25 kw in 34 minutes

[gamesfree2010]

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[papetoes]

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[cheitner]

Great two more tools on youtube. Congrats

[florydory]

My car gets SO HOT in parking lots in Texas. We need covered parking that are made up of solar collectors, so that I can plug my car in while it is parked...and then get into a COOL car after shopping or whatever. win-win

[MegaDeathwarrant]

solar panels are too expensive to maintain and need special care about twice a week. My neighbor wasted his money on solar panels and within half a year he's now getting half of what he's suppose to get at max sun light. Some of the panels are just not working at all he claims and he's a certified electrician.

[shakaama]

@MegaDeathwarrant your neighbor is stupid and has no clue what he did or is doing. it doesn't mean the industry is bad. In fact, you're the first person to even say there's weekly maintenance. Your comment seems suspect.

[MegaDeathwarrant]

@shakaama You're right he was stupid in purchasing solar panels now look what happened, big mistake.

[shakaama]

@MegaDeathwarrant A woman was convicted of leaving her baby in the car OVERNIGHT.

by your logic: women shouldn't be allowed to have kids; cars are a danger to kids and should not be allowed to hold children; night is dangerous and shouldn't be allowed to follow day.

[MegaDeathwarrant]

@shakaama cool story bro you should write a book.

[pgm98387]

There is no air gap between the panels and the roof surface. Photovoltaic produce less power when hot. Is heat a problem with these? Ventilation between the panel and roof surface?

[shinku0hadouken]

@pgm98387 we're installing these in Ft. worth, TX and the gap between panels (as i've heard) is primarily because the material expands and if they were butted up,the glass would possibly crack. I'm guessing they don't get too hot in this state because there is more surface area, and they are also are efficient enough its maintains a decently high voltage even if the temperature rises. These things are like 7 foot by 4 foot.

Anyone else notice how much they walk on these...lol

[honkydudeman]

imagine,if electricity companies,or gas,or businessmen+women ,put these on your home.+you "rent"them,they would have no overheads ?no squads of men having to dig up roads,repairing +fitting cables ,reading meters etc etc ,the profits would be HUGE,environmentaly a godsend,no fossil fuel pollution,consumers would JUMP at a chance to rent em ,saving a small fortune in bills ,whoever does this will make a HUGE fortune GAURANTEED 100%,approx 60 to 70% return over 20 years the life of panels????????

[sschoon86]

@honkydudeman Only problem is storage. Solar panels make no energy at night, therefore still requiring power lines, or a storage device i.e. batteries. That would be costly beyond reason. In reality, power lines are still a very cost effective way to transmit power, even with all the maintenance involved.

[WizzRacing]

This is all fine and great, but when you search for prices or were to buy, you hit a brick wall. seems you can't just buy the panels and install them your self. you have to ask for a quote and hope they get back to you!

Thin film solar panels are a great product. just make them easy for the consume to buy and install them his self.

[jimvandamme]

@WizzRacing That will come, when the panels are cheap enough. Just not now. The money is all being made in installing, and paid out by the government. Oh, that's YOUR money.

[Briansgarage]

Why are they wearing hard hats.. They're on the roof... Nothing above them..

[purity4all]

@Briansgarage So if they fall they will break everything but their heads lol.

[kurtu5]

So the average solar flux is about 1000 watts per square meter. Ideally of course.

If each panel is about 2 square meters that means 6 of them could ideally collect 12 kW. Ideally.

2.25 kW is about 5% of that ideal. Thats not as good as I expected, but for a non ideal system that lacks solar tracking, this is pretty good.

[sschoon86]

@kurtu5 The unfortunate reality is that most thin film has peaked at about 8% efficient. Crystalline panels have peaked at about 20% efficiency. However, the good news is that the efficiency only relates to the panels production vs. its size. The amount of the sun's energy is so abundant that efficiency is of very little importance. A more important figure to consider is $/Watt.

[yayaman57]

Might be nice for RV rooftops

[SOLARTRADERdotCA]

Most roofs, in Ontario at least, have a gravel top layer. If they were to develope a mounting frame that could be sold separate which these panels stick to, that would be more practical. At least then you would be able to mount the panels conventionally as well, but conventional mounting isn't very difficult with all of the innovative designs out there.

[markr1413]

Solar is still in its awe fase. When cost, durability, options and where it is made come to the forefront, then people will start buying in mass. and lame ass video.

[Berkut13]

Those things are goign to heat the roof up quite a bit. Need an air gap.

[chouabali]

deep cycle battery are very expensive, useless you cannot use the solar cell without this high price deep cycle battery.

[fumfulapenguin]

how much this cost?

[ShawnHydedotcom]

what happens when the sticky wears out and they fly away?, to bad these solar panels are made mostly with oil based products. better solar is mirror/steam based systems. but I think wind and wave power is really the future.

[sasktank]

great untill -- youre on the roof with a snowblower clearing 4eet of snow

[FabioGiehl]

Can this system can be used with a air compressor?

[Harimurtiable]

installation was fast .. but also requires preparation time .. This includes updates that are clearly more energy efficient. in the state of Indonesia, solar panel electric system has not been widely used, we get the electricity that was still in subsidies by the government.

[eddiequest4]

Hmmm. nice idea, but... you try peel & stick in Phx, and the sun will simply laugh at you. Also, those panels were installed on a flat roof. Unless that building is at the equator, it would not be very efficient. Need to consider the angle... which is why other PV systems are rigid..... and, what's with the hard hats?

[IRONMAIDENFAN2006]

peel and stick is bad

because if yo uwant to take it off to move to another home or ap it will rip it or cant get it up.... just use modualr plus water i mean its sealed but over time if your roof floods it will get in eventually... not worth it..

[harmsworth1]

I bet it took 2 weeks to prep that roof.

[davidrrrd]

now make them smaller so they assemble like standard home roofing shingles!

that's what i need!

[Maccan]

The sooner that technology hits the market, the better

[mikeymike77123]

and to think... I got 13 watt light bulbs ran all threw out my house that give off plenty of light. So in the near future 10 cents a WATT is $1.30 and i can run that 1 of many light bulbs for a while, and of coarse all other electronics will be ran for a great price.

[mikeymike77123]

New solar panel technologies from plastic and fabric? Yep! Not sure what kind of solar panels "these" are n the vid but if you look up the video title "Your World: Bringing it Home - Konarka Technologies" you will see a new solar panel technology that may possibly be ready to hit the shelves very soon if it isn't already(I'm looking into it). I think they say ATM its about half the price of regular solar panels, easier to make, and soon will be 10 cents per WATT in terms of cost when you buy it!

[TuberCharged]

Dude!!!!! You forgot to broom the third module! Will it fly away??? Fly birdie, fly!!!

[mikeymike77123]

Good eye...(it got me looking more closely at the video)... but actually I think he did broom it because the clip skips ahead about 24 seconds @ about 6:30 on there clock in the video and if you look closely the broom handle is in a different position after the clip comes back on at around 6:54 ;-) also looks like he put the peel off plastic into a container in the same spot beside the broom if u watch the vid a bit longer u will see what I mean by that lol

[claudius2u]

The best, most efficient, and by far most beneficial solar collector is any form of photosynthisizing plant; bar nothing.

Using solar enegy to produce electrical power is silly, extremely inefficient, and wastefull of so many dirty-technologies it should be banned for its massive ill-effects on human, animal and biosphere health!

But, big biz is good gov't biz, so we have stupid zombies hyping up solar electricity like it was candy! Get real, people! Grow food, NOT power!

[sequoiaorchids]

@claudius2u Dan Nocera: Personalized Energy Look this up this youtube lecture and tell me what you think

[UFOMAN618]

Is that really better than a plywood board?

[clnmyjts]

thats what I`m talking about..LOL

It the price is right we are good to go..

I like the idea of peel and stick solar panels..

What i worry about most is the price..

[davea0511]

Interesting idea, but they need to address some issues when they present this mounting technology if they want market acceptance...

Some kind of weird roof prep first - it's shiny. Also ... panels need air underneath to stay cool for optimal efficiency ... 1/2% per degree. Also, electrical connectors nearly flush with the ground ... reliability problems? non-angled ... pooling water ... water deposit problems? Adhesive lifetime testing data?

[sfortuna]

Mstaff657 - which oil company do you work for? Must be the only reason you're against people spending their own money to become energy independent. If you have a problem with government incentives to develop a resource that comes to your FREE every day, you should also have a problem with paying a TRILLION bucks so we can have 220 military bases around the world.

[Darkwizzrobe]

Sorry to tell you but if they are so economically great then they would not need tax incentives they would sell themselves on the market making the company that produces them rich, but whats the problem hmm well when solar or wind aren't producing power you are spending money on things like natural gas or coal and we do need better storage for this to not to happen

[lecochonfavourites]

The google staff persons' video on their home solar panels is in YouTube.

Search in YouTube: "Google My own solar system installing"

These persons are financially very well off most would assume, but thse are the same panels for anyone. In the vid. the man with the dormer style home may be more inspiring than the man who seems to spen an arm and a leg on panels in his back garden. But it seems the prices are to fall.

The film is nearly film length - it is worth it when you've some time

[lecochonfavourites]

I don't know why some people suddenly call solar PV a scam. I've never come across it before. If it were a scam, a lot of people would be saying that. It is expensive as a payment, but, again, will be recouped and after will save a good amount. These are the facts and there's no other way to look at it than an upfront investment.

Don't be rash, though - it's not cheap. After the panels come:

a big inverter or 2, grid sending equipment (v. expensive) and / or batteries, installation.

[ssssaaafff]

The $1 a watt solar cells are here and the 1st ones are going to coming out of Germany with a plant being built in San Jose, CA. Just watch out then when one can put 5000 to 10000 watts on his roof and charge his electric cars up and run the air conditioner and even a machine to draw water out of the air. So long oil and water companies. LOL

[zmanthao]

You will need a lot more than a roof size to get 5000 to 10000 watts of AC power out

[ssssaaafff]

Lets see, a small 40ft by 50 ft house with just a flat roof is 2000 sq ft. The most commonly used solar panels have efficiencies ranging from 11%-14% and produce about 10-13 watts per square foot. So to me just using a 10 watt efficiency would be 20,000 watts a hour, which would be less when the sun is off angle, but still producing more than 10,000 per hour on the average.

[zmanthao]

The problem is when you convert it to 110 AC and 240 AC, it won't be enough to run your AC unit. Maybe you might get enough to run your lighting if you convert them to LED. I read that mud/clay houses are natural air conditioner, not sure how to build one that would look like a modern house.

[ssssaaafff]

10,000 watts is the same in all voltages and will be plenty to run a house and store energy for a car. 6 hours x 10,000 watts equals 60,000 watts. And I think a 20,000 watt system would make much more than that a day. Just add a porch and add another 1000 sq ft feet for 10,000 more watts. and one could generate more than 100,000 watts a day easily. A well insulated house with a r factor 50 ceiling and 40 walls would not need much heat or cooling.

[joerond]

@ssssaaafff they will try to own that too so dont get your hopes so high lol

[lecochonfavourites]

<<< cont

... but there are many who power their whole homes by solar, and many, many, many more who want to.

I watched the video made by some of the chiefs at Google who chose to power all of their home energy from common or garden (not latest nor most expensive technology) solar P.V. panels from bp, ge, sharp (those companies are old & huge, they will not disappear). The video evidence is clear - their meters run backwards every day, selling elec. to the grid.

It will make you feel good.

[mstaff657]

look rocky

Electric bills run $2100/year for my home 4,000sqft. western colorado.

Fact is $4/kw for pv, it will never pay for itself. I bet you 5 years from now 80% of those green "power companies" will be out of business. green power is another scam perpetrated on the American public. Someone has to pay for those incentive programs and in the long run it is us - johnny punch clocks. we need to park these gov. parasites before we are all slaves to the state.

[lecochonfavourites]

Even if you choose just 1 reasonably high power consuming device, say a flat screen T.V. used a lot - to make up its power alone from solar energy - you will appreciate the benefits within 5-10 years.

No one is suggesting to people that you need to, today, tommorrow or next year, power your whole home from solar power. Within 3 years if most people power their L.C.D. T.V.s, the pollution decrease would be very big. And that's a brilliant way to try it.

Then expand if and when you want.

[mstaff657]

Save the World rocky.

just quit doing it with our tax dollars

[mstaff657]

no innovation here

Just another expensive scam perpetrated on american taxpayers.

[mstaff657]

I see nothing but companies taking advantage of consumers.

at 4 times the cost of traditional

electricity. there is no benefit to solar.

[Dummerd]

Four times the cost? WTF are you talking about?

The sun and wind are free.

If you are receiving a bill from DNR, don't pay it.

[mstaff657]

think you get the solar panels for free do ya?

[disndat11]

I agree 100%. THe cost of going solar is ridiculous. I have a Honda 2000 Wats generator that uses about a gallon of gas every 6 hours and it cost me 800$. To get that kind of power with solar panels it'd cost me roughly 18,000$.

I heard on the discovery channel that making solar cells is as cheap as printing news papers now. So where is it then?

I would go Solar in a heart beat. But at these prices gas is the way to go for the next few years

[mstaff657]

Most of the green power schemes are a cam run by a bunch of Liberal Democrat felons

[lecochonfavourites]

It's an investment. You pay upfront. Buy from the companies which guarantee their panels for 25 years at over 80 percent, often 90 to 100 percent at after 10 years, and you have an investment that can't lose. Your money will be recouped in probably 10 years, with a noticeable profit in 15. By the time the items are out of guarantee you should have profited nearly enough for replacements (but they might not be needed for a decade or so longer).

And you know in that whole time you're green.

[mstaff657]

lecochonfavourites

You are full of baloney

noticeable profit in 15 years what a load of bull, just like solar heating panels the lasted 8 months tops and the company backing the warranty went broke.

Green Power - Liberal Democratic SCAM

GREEN POWER = HAVEN FOR FELONS

[lecochonfavourites]

No, no. I'm talking about the big, reliable companies - bp, ge, sharp.

And, look, this topic isn't anything to do with solar heating panels. I'm not recommending solar heating panels. I'm from the U.K. We in the U.K. can get pretty good results from Photovoltaic panels, but not nearly as good as you people in America. There are people here in U.K. who buy solar heating panels and I'm very sceptical without something short of a dangerous fresnel lense!!! But in U.S.A. P.V. solar is amazing.

[andruha11234]

thats pretty f-ing awesome!

[timclassic]

So they put down 2 quare of peel n seal in 34 min. BFD.  ITS PEEL N SEAL!! That should go fast

[dflah5]

This is the only "HIgh Output" Built In Photoovoltaic module currently in the world.The reason this makes this a big deal is the fact that this is "not" a thin film module. Therefore this makes the panel more efficient than the current thin-film technology. You have to lay down nearly half the amount of panels as you would to get the same KW's,so with less roof space you can maximize the entire square footage of the entire building for companies requiring extreme power consumption. 2.25KW 34min

[iSkateboardStaff]

yotube lol

[rennanmaraba]

you tafjspkfjhjnnngo the kamikaze..

[Oznow]

Ever lay flat on a beach in the sun?

[bluediamond2077]

Maybe that was the only spot they had. It's better then nothing.

[Anothercoilgun]

Shut the fuck up snogcunt.

[hmazzocco]

That's a bit harsh to call them idiots, Maybe their goal was to shave peak demand during the summer which then makes it OK to install the modules flat. Furthermore maybe someone did a comparative analysis and found out that they would produce more KWh by using 100% of the roof area vs spacing angled modules to avoid shading or simply maybe this installation was done in a country where Feed-in tariff is in place and requires the modules to be integrated to the roof ... tbc

[hmazzocco]

... , Finally I challenge you to find a contractor that will install 2.25KW in a little over 1 man-hour, with traditional mounting systems Yes Installation cost has a big role in determining the IRR of your system.... anyways, there are many reasons why one would install modules Flat on the roof and you can't call everybody idiots under the pretext you took a $200 Workshop and someone told you tilted modules produce more!!!! there is a tiny bit more that comes into consideration... tbc

[hmazzocco]

...you should be more humble given your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject...

[Anothercoilgun]

1. Installers adhere to a plan. Do not blame them, for you should blame the design plan.

2. Do you know here these were installed?

3. Go get a clue and find out that this is common for flexible peel and stick on flat roof commercial buildings.

4. Waste not of exclamation points and question marks.  That simply fortifies your stupidity.

[kurdishmob]

2.25kw? yea right. what kinds of cells are these?

[aeroscope]

that is amazing!!!!

[rdhilliardeh]

Bmed18: You must in in the north country. If you are in T.O. your roof wood have been clear the last few weeks. My solar hot water panels have been running fine this month. Rgardless, if you follow the scuttle on the company, the product either doesn't work or has been bought out by a competitor and they're sitting on it.

[rdhilliardeh]

Productiondesignmax: I live in Ontario Canada. The roof is covered only 1/6 of the year. They would work here too.

[bmed19]

i live in ontario as well but roofs are covered for most of nov, dec, jan, feb, march. thats 5/12 almost bout 1/3 the year. so thats 1/3 a year w/o power being generated. i applaud solar energy. but it doesnt make sense to use in the nothern latitudes

[bmed19]

how bout water drainage? ond not to mention the blast u'll have scraping off the sun baked bird droppings

[theslimeylimey]

What happens when the roof needs to be redone? Can you unpeel them without damage?

[boxa888]

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[speedway510]

What are the chances that the adhesive will not stick after two or three strong winters. Especially in Florida where they seem to get hurricanes on a regular basis. I would hate to see my investment blow down the street because it was no longer sticking to the surface of the roof. Great product if it stays put.

[ProductionDesignrMAX]

??? Speedway thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard !!!

Strong winters? Why the phuck would someone put solar cells on a roof that gets covered in snow?

Thats the thing I never got about solar, why people farther north would want it? Lower angle of incidence to the sun, etc.

Here in Los Angeles, where it is sunny 320 days a year, solar actually COULD pay for itself at 5-6$ per watt.

[TornadoesNMusic]

Can it last through a hail storm? That would be amazing. Although it's an awesome looking product anyway.

[brandkirby]

Very cool technology. I can't wait for them to hit residential.

-Brandon

[prezgay]

These look pretty cool. Are they available for residential, or just businesses?

[bunylver]

Nice product! When will it hit the market?

[AutoTom]

it looks a little too flimsy to me, how many of those cells got cracked ?!!!

[progressivepathway]

Installation of my solar water heater took nearly a whole day. Granted, a great deal of plumbing was involved but STILL!

Exciting!

[egrab]

they are getting cheaper & cheaper to make. Many companies can produce them as low as $1 to $1.30 per watt which is 30% of the avg cost last year.

[alejandromatos]

neat!

[AutoTom]

this is also great news as it currently costs more for installation than the actual solar panels, at least on slanted house roofs where they have to drill into the tiles and install brackets and stuff..

[greenmanlv]

I recently added 1.5Kw to my array at a cost of $8,000 for the panels, $500 for the rails & legs, and $500 for the roofing work on concrete Spanish tiles to mount the rails. Another $1,750 for an electrician to wire it up into the existing system. The installation was $2,250 total and the panels, rails,etc. was $8,500. The equipment cost me more than the installation.

[AutoTom]

In most places the government heavily subsadises solar arrays, here in australia the govt will cover the first 5k of solar panels and up to 30k for schools this however does not cover the cost of installation.

[flyingpigstuff]

So are they making these for us or for companies? If they make them for us, cheaply, like US$700 each then most people working a normal job can afford them. Until they can do that, the power companies and government will continue to dictate to us how we live.

[alejandromatos]

$700 is still too expensive for chepos like me more like $200 like the price of an ipod or Wii!

[coolflatroof]

to flyingpigstuff :

they make them for integrators/roofers. It is produced by Open Energy of California. I did hear a "speculation" from people in the industry that there were problems with this product (like 1/3 or a 1/2 of the panel shorted out) ...

Each panel is almost 500 watts (the big ones), so you definitely can't buy them for $700. More like $5-6 per watt, so do the math.

[MonkabooProject]

I wonder if you can pick it up and take it with you later on?

[dalbertson]

very cool product.