Sample Shogi Play using Eurasia-Chess pieces

[hoskinsds]

gold swing at 3:15

[spazitude80]

how can I get one of these

[eurasiachess]

@plaaitaekaat

... How about using some other shapes than staunton

Well, in fact, I'm currently working on it:

eurasia-chess com /AsianChessmen.jpg

And here is also some interesting shapes:

google on japanese polychrome carved wood figural shogi set

[plaaitaekaat]

i don't like the idea of westernizing everything

i never see an orientalized version of western chess

(i.e. making them look like disks and engrave chinese characters on them)

we asian learn your culture as it is

so when you learn ours, try to learn it the way it is

you just have to memorize a few characters

[eurasiachess]

@plaaitaekaat

Well, this westernized adaptation is a good way for Western people to discover Asian chess.

Sometimes, people won't make the first step to learn during one week all asian chess symbols; and such adaptation is a powerful way to promote Asian chess. No doubt that if western people like such asian chess, they will move to traditional pieces set.

Besides, I like the idea of making Asianized pieces sets for European Chess... I already made some prototypes some years ago...

[eurasiachess]

@plaaitaekaat

The important is not the shape of the pieces (we can also play with starwars/egyptian figurine in chess, with same pleasures as with staunton shaped pieces), but the game itself, and the ability to play with a wider range of players.

Don't you want to play with western people? do you think they are already widely open to play directly with asian symbols pieces? I don't think so. Let's show the similitudes between chess game cousins, promote and make people discover asian chess

[plaaitaekaat]

@eurasiachess

lol Actually I liked the set you made, but what I questioned was only whether we should westernize everything even our most precious culture that could only be appreciated at its highest form through a traditional approach.

Come to think of it, it's true that if a westerner really discovers the charm of shogi, he may move to a traditional set later. He then may appreciate the sound of the piece snapping on the board, the beautiful characters, and the way to set up the pieces.

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@eurasiachess

yes, i agree.

but please hide your red-neck thinking...

asian chess?

"international chess" is rooted in india or middle east...

there's chinese chess and korean chess and japanese chess, i.e. shogi.

asian chess? which one? ...

[shogi4fun]

@plaaitaekaat

How many chinese books you have seen???

I've read in a book, that in china they are using Kanji also for western chess. Still I don't know in ALL books, or only partly.

Searching in internet, I also found sides, showing that I'm right.

For example: sohobros dot com/blog/?p=40

[plaaitaekaat]

@shogi4fun

I followed your link, and that is NOT western chess.

It's called 盲棋 (blind chess) which is a game using Chinese chess pieces and half its board.

I used to play this game when I was young, so I recognised it immediately.

For your information, the pieces are arranged face down in each square. Each player takes turn turning up one face-down piece or move one. The pieces capture by rank, except that soldiers captures general.

I must ask, how much Chinese do you know???

[shogi4fun]

@plaaitaekaat

I can't speak any Chinese at all.

Sorry about that link, I wasn't observant. I thought about it, because putting pieces between the lines.

Giving links on youtube is not easy (filtered) and an other one uses UNICODE. But I remember tinyurl, so try this one: tinyurl dot com/5r5gee3

It's not easy to find western chess in chinese language, instead of Xiangqi.

This book I've told says, chinese use kanji for westernchess, so we can use symbols for xiangai.

BTW: I PREFERE ONLY KANJI !!!

[shogi4fun]

@plaaitaekaat

Knowing to search for 國際象棋 it's much easier to find western chess in Cina.

Still found a lot of western equiment.

Maybe the writer of the book was wrong. But this was many years ago, when internet wasn't born.

Maybe also western chess wasn't popular then in China. And maybe today China like to show, compare with westerners, there ability. And to play tournaments in western world, you need to learn using western equipment.

[abaiyo1]

Habu vs. Katou?

[eurasiachess]

Sorry for the orthograph; We can sometimes see this orthograph, but your version seems to be the more usual. That has been corrected.

You can also see commented play (kid=9815): youtube /watch?v=s5JF89Ayzyg

I used this very famous game (1989) to present an innovative westernized way of playing with 3D chessmen, that can help to popularize Shogi to western countries.

[n3mon3mo]

But,,, the promoted piece is quite confuse to people. Maybe put a red mark like the king's crown is better as you know which one is promoted beside the king

[eurasiachess]

not sure... a mark on top of the pieces would probably be more difficult to handle (as it would be tiny), and less harmonious (an empty hole on top, when not promoted?).

Besides, I'm thinking of embeded promotion discs using spring mechanisms for making it more easy to promote pieces.

[n3mon3mo]

How many promote coin available? if all the pieces are promoted,,, it needs about 34 pieces promote coins...

[eurasiachess]

Actually, there's 8+8=16 such promote discs in the game. Half of it should be enough for usual games.

- Even for the "Famous Mate Problems: Shogi Zukou #99 'Smoke Mate'", where all pieces are used on this tsume, there's only max 13 promoted pieces at a time.

- Maybe such promotion discs would be better located at the middle of each sides, in order to promote faster and share the promotion discs with oponent.

[eurasiachess]

Besides, you can still use "2 pence" UK coins (in Nickel), as replacement solution, in case you don't have enough promotion discs ;)

[plaaitaekaat]

@eurasiachess

btw I have another suggestion.

How about using some other shapes than staunton?

The staunton shapes are easy to recognise, of course.

But we can make it look more Japanese, with some other creative designs.

No characters, of course, but other designs.