Thatcher was a bitch whore fascist and murdress. Idiot. Without brain. Mad. Madness provokes Alzheimer. France hate her. Mitterand hated her. You will suffer old mad garbage. The actress is a bloody idiot to have accepted this role or she is her herself a bitch thatcherian. Die also cretin !
NOT ME IS NO DOUBT THAT IF expropriated .. ALL COMPANIES IN LATIN AMERICA BRITISH EMPIRE THAT RUSTY falls apart ... AY ME ONLY IMAGINE THAT CAN VOTE THE NATIVE Scottish REFERENDUM
As an American, I definitely say that Thatcher's biggest accomplishment was sucessfully implementing monetarism to control inflation. The US was doing the same thing at the time. Here a Democrat was held of our central bank and he actually implemented the policy independent of President Reagan. The Republicans were crushed in 1982 midterms because of a deep recession caused by the tightening of the money supply. When fighting inflation, things always get worse before they get better!
British industry was destroyed by the union movement in the 1960s and 70s, quite deliberately. The thinking of the left at the time was that if industry and the economy collapsed, it would create the condiions for the socialist revolution they genuinely believed was imminent. All Thatcher did was turn off the life support.
So sad..to think we had Churchill and Thatcher, how they loved Britain..now we got this lying weasel David ( you can have a referendum ) Cameron. god help the U.K
Bravo! Wish she was still around - wish any politician (male or female) in the UK had half her patriotism, loyalty, integrity, intellect, honesty, class and yes BACKBONE to raise the UK out of its current Socialist cesspools.
capitalism benefits from unemployment because it creates competition for increasingly un-gainful employment, if there is an abundance of high quality work then workers can afford to be very picky which doesn't bode well for the capitalists
It is the capitalism that has saved China from the fate of North Korea. China was like North Korea before 1976. I grew up in China during the period of Culture Revolution from 1966 to 1976 when China was worse than the current North Korea. Unfornately, China has been a state capitalist country where the government is the largest capitalist and the only owner of every inch of land. That is why corruption is normal there.
@topperheartramada why dont you die soon tosser ......socialist you could not be further from the truth this fucking bitch srarted the decline of our industry thats why we are fucked
Mary we don't believe in labour at all, one man cannot rule another, nor labouring can continue forever. We believe a code, just like the jedi's code, but a code of the bible not yours autopia, and removal of all banks and money of all totalitarians and capitalists of all seeking subversion and false revolution. We say lets try to evolve.
Capitalism cannot provide and neither can Socilaism. So where do we go from here? The answer is staring us in the face, the cancer in society is Money itself. Pure and simple. We need a RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY. Please resarch, we need to evolve. Change is the only constant and we must not fear it. In the words of this lady, 'There is NO alternative'.
These idiots who cant wait for Thatcher to die - what does it matter?! She left office over twenty years ago, her legacy, whether you like it or not, will continue long after she has died.
@morgansifer yes and that's why we want her to die, we fucking hate her and she'll rot in hell for her crimes against humanity, or should that be her crimes against the working class? either way i hate the old bastard
@Salladsdressing good question to Cuntcameron. Had it not been for this great lady, Cuntcameron would be unable to afford a computer to post his thoughts.
@prben2 Uh? Sweden has a population of under 10m people, has ultra high taxes, the worlds highest suicide rate and a responsible govt who impose budget ceilings to avoid deficit. France? If you think their system proudly demonstrates successful socialism, then I expect Burger King will be awarded 4 Michelin Stars. French are more fucked than us. She didn't invent the wheel, merely kept the nuts on until the next Labour horror show.
@maclachj1 15th highest suicide rate. Lowest in arctic circle besides Finland and Canada. Look into the suicide rate of Canadian Indigenous peoples of the arctic and elsewhere. Finland has a similar economic model to Sweden and Norway.
@Salladsdressing She was NOT the most successfull prime minister. She did however succeed where the Luftwaffe failed. She fucked up British manufacturing & industry.
@CuntCameron Actually dick-head, Hate to say it but the British economy was well and truly fucked by your left wing brothers long before Thatcher took over.
@Jellypoker Twatcher once said: "There is no such thing as society". That makes her a CUNT in my book. You keep your money you sad bastard. The state this country is in now is the results of the de-regulation of the banks that was started by Twatcher in 1986. Your money is becoming more worthless by the day bacause of that cock up. I prefer society.
@CuntCameron - Your "Society" as you call it, this is the one created by Tony & Gordon, the one in which "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme & I want" became the chant of the Feckless jobless.
I actually do believe in "society" as you call it, but prefer to give my money to those who need it most, rather than those that can't be arsed to work.
P.s when you resort to sending private insulting messages, you've lost your argument.
The British industry was outdated didn't stand a chance at the world market. That is why the British government PAYED hundreds of millions of pounds to that industry just to keep it alive. Never ever ever subsidize an industry! That's like the first lesson in economics!
So she saved hundreds of millions of pounds for the government and in addition to that she transformed the economy so that it became more efficient.
She saved us from union blackmail, public finance bankruptcy and encouraged ambition. Sadly today's broken economy and comtemptuous society is once again the product of socialism. Spend all our money and encourage no productivity.
And we uneducated so-called unwashed socialist masses, thinking it was those useless, greedy crooked capitalist banksters that were to blame for all the economic shite that is effecting the world today, and all the time it was those evil socialists.
@prben2 uneducated unwashed is your descripton, not mine. I agree, it would be misguided to think all the economic shite was down to those greedy useless capitalist bankers. The evil socialist govt's willfully spent all your hard earned taxes in the blind hope that capitalists would continue to pick up the tab. What a shame they where too busy drinking champagne to impose strict regulations on such irresponsible casino activities.
Thatcherism was a plague for Britain. This lady is just a puppet chosen by powerful corporations interests to destroy welfare and trade unions. Welfare and workers rights legal slaughter.
If she hadn't privitized all the industries that she did you would be in a much much bigger debt crises right now because the government owned industries lost BILLIONS of pounds each year and their expenses for being outdated and inefficient was payed by none other then the tax payers. If you are interested in this subject....PLEASE! READ ECONOMICS!
@demarch77 . U really have a way with words! Comrade Marx talks highly of you from the grave. You really are a twit. Do you get your facts from the Dandy and Beano?
Ummh what is wrong with that.Some people love to be fat and lazy and thats ok but when you try to make a whole society or even a country fat and lazy then thats a problem then expect the government to continue that because their fat and lazy.Everything become soft and mushy.With the Iron lady a society would not get to be a sloppy mess.So whats wrong with that.Nothing.Society needs to be proud just once.Another words put in your time contribute and then enjoy the things that you can be proud of.
I think the issue wasn't too many or too few mines, but what to do with the miners. Whole towns had coal at their center, and people wanted to keep them going out of compassion and nostalgia, not because they were the best way to get coal. Why wasn't there more effort to re-train the miners? Surely they'd prefer anything to taking dole the rest of their lives? In the US there is at best a very short-term dole; if you can't pay for re-training you're literally homeless.
Your missing my point, open cast mining is cheaper and more productive with a far lower workforce. Coal isn't really big business compared to the days when every home used coal for cooking and heating, every train and ship was coal powered. Power and gas came from coal and many factories used coal for production power. You just dont see coal any more I bet most kids under 15 have never touched any unless their home has a working fireplace.
@pimpUK1 They use it every time they flick a light switch or boil the kettle, we still generate 50% of our energy using coal. And yes opencasting is cheaper, but not all reserves can be opencasted. You are talking to a mining engineer.
@123hero321 You are still in denial, coal use is in decline. Look at how many UK coal powered stations are about to shut down and look at the new stations about to open, only 1 will be coal, the rest are going to be gas. Those that are to stay open are mainly biofuel.
Its cheaper to import coal, if i wasn't then it would be mined here, thats the way the free market works.
@pimpUK1 So explain to my why I work at a private large scale coal mine and we make over £50 on every ton of anthracite we sell, the mine over the road is also in profit, there is to be a new mine started less than 30 miles away and we have more demand than we can keep up with due to steel/power generation. Also explain how tower colliery which the torys branded "uneconomical" was worked at massive profit for another 14 years? Honestly, you torys are all the same "Screw the facts, shut it down"
@123hero321 You know the answer to that surely, anthracite is a high quality coal and has a far higher value, its also in demand worldwide. The profit is made becuase its a private company, if it was nationalised in would run at a loss. There is also going to be the UKs first pot ash mine opening soon for the first time in years because some bright spark has seen that profit can be made from it and the market wants it. I'm not shut everything down at all, the fact is we didnt need so many mines
@pimpUK1 . The closure of mines was all down to The Ridley Plan. It was about smashing the NUM. Yes you can always buy cheaper when you buy goods from countries who pay poor wages and have no H and S laws. Free markets are a fallicy as there it is not a level playing field.
@grandslam1998 I would rather a buy a better quality product that is good value for money and so did the rest of the world which is why we have no manufacturing. The UK industry was arrogant in its belief it made a "quality" product and buried its head in the sand. Look at all the last British car models made, they were shit, expensive and unreliable.
@pimpUK1 . Britain has always produced quality goods and it still does. Capitalists know they can produce goods cheaper in developing countries because they can expliot a docile workforce. That is why set up and relocate in such countries. Welsh steam coal was the best but still they closed the mines. Thatcher was a reactionary. She harped back to the Victorian age when workers had little or no rights. Just read The Ridley Plan and then you will understand Thatchers actions.
You lose after the the words "exploit the docile workforce" 300,000 million people have been brought out of proverty in Indian and China from their embrace of capitalism.
I'll do the math for you , that's 30 million a year.
Captialism is the right of the workers to be employed at will , Socialism is the right of ownership and control by the government.
@Yababoos123 You do talk tosh. Capitalism = wage slavery. Workers in India and China are being exploited that is why these countries have so many billionaires. Socialism is not about state control. It is about freedom. The freedom from Capitalism!
@Yababoos123 You do talk tosh. Capitalism = wage slavery. Workers in India and China are being exploited that is why these countries have so many billionaires. Socialism is not about state control. It is about freedom. The freedom from Capitalism!
@Yababoos123 You really do talk tosh. The workers in China and India are being explioted that is why there are so many billionaires in these countries. Capitalism = wage slavery. Socialism = freedom. The freedom from Capitalism. Workers of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your chains, K Marx
@grandslam1998 Nope, Socialist economies have never lasted more than 100 years. And the greatest massacres occurred in socialist/ Communist states. Even Hitler was head of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Key word here is Scoailism mate = Chains
@grandslam1998 Nope, That was the exact ~*reason*~ for the revolts in the late 80's. The government was rich and fat while the people thin and poor. Basic things like bread were in shortage, This is why it failedl, socialists like you lived in fantasy world while everyone else was in reality. It has never worked, and never will. Now: Name on current socialist state that is in good shape. Now a capitalist one, :D Touche' Theres a reason for that
@Dalek1230 Reality is subjective! A fantasy world is a world for those who consider they live in reality. You will become a socialist when your belly button is close to your back bone. Socialists like me are progresive thinkers Capitalist Tories are reactionary. People like you who make absolute statements are deluded and arrogant.
@Dalek1230 O angry person. Loas.I think you may be living in a fools paradise. Take a good look at yourself. Anyway Capitalist economics is juggling by financally comics
@grandslam1998 : All government is a form of socialism. It is a sliding scale of fascism, central planning, and tyranny. Socialism does not create wealth. The more socialism exists, the less freedom and liberty there is. Socialism is inherently anti-human nature, and anti-progress. The cake is NOT static. Capitalism creates more wealth and thus a bigger cake. And where there is freedom, opportunity exists for everyone to enjoy a larger slice of the cake.
@rippinsteo Utter tosh! There is no such thing as human nature only human natures. Capitalism creates great wealth for the few while the many beg for more from the Capitalists, The division of the cake is getting smaller for the many as the rich hoard their riches in the primative system of capitalism. Money makes the world go round. So share it arond with socialist policies.
@grandslam1998 "Not sharing" was never part of Thatcher's policy at all. To be responsible for oneself firstly and then responsible for others. It's archetypal, it's the basis of family and unity. It starts at home-and today, it doesn't. Government regulation does not stop this. It's part of how human beings are. But this does not change the fact that more opportunity creates more chances. So by all means share! I don't need socialist policies to be able to do that. Why do you?
@HeinzHornsby A Government with socialist policies can redistribute wealth better that other ways. They can reach the most needy such asthe old and infirmed.
@grandslam1998 It is precisely the Government that cannot do this best. There is no such thing as public money. It's our money. We can choose. I don't need Mummy and Daddy to donate money or food to local causes, such as leaving 5 quid for food baskets for the local red cross or leave food for the homeless if I see them in the street. Everyone can give within their means. The rich do it, and perhaps they should do it more, true, but I can decide what I want to give.
@grandslam1998 : Government is the most inefficient, wasteful and potentially corrupt way to manage most human affairs--including reaching the most needy.
@grandslam1998: What is the difference between human nature vs human “natures”? Is self-interest a human nature? Or does it fall under the rubric of "human natures"?
Wealth must be created before it can be shared. If fewer incentives exist for creating wealth, there is less wealth to share. Thus, under socialist policies, the rich will be poorer and so will the poor.
On the flip side, under socialism, those who receive the shared wealth have less incentive to create wealth--leaving them poor.
@rippinsteo . Under socialism everyone is better off. Humans are motervated in different ways. Not all people are self interested. Workers create wealth hence they should have a fair share. The rich are rich because they keep most of the profit made by workers.
@grandslam1998: I disagree completely with Marx on his labor theory of value as you have described it. Unless the worker owns the plant, the equipment, the process, the raw materials, and/or otherwise takes on all the risks involved in the production of goods and services, the entrepreneur owns the surplus value he or she can negotiate in an exchange with his or her customer. The laborer agrees that his or her labor is worth whatever wage he or she is willing to work for--nothing more or less.
@rippinsteo Money makes the world go round. So share it. Socialism = social equality based on ones contribution to society. It serves the interest of society as a whole. Capitalism is reactionary. Socialism is visionary.
@grandslam1998: I want to be able to voluntarily share and not because I’m FORCED to do so by the state. Socialism involves force. It is fascism and tyranny. Capitalism involves economic freedom. I’d rather be poor and free than rich and enslaved. If I am free, I have the chance to better myself in a way that works for me and not according to someone else’s dictates. I want to follow my own dreams—and not be forced to adhere to someone else’s “vision” of what “should” be or “ought” to be.
@grandslam1998 : Under socialism, everyone is more equally LESS well off. Unless they are on a death watch or wish to commit suicide, ALL people have SOME level of self-interest. It's called sense of self-preservation.
@Yababoos123 But how many people cannot eat due to the inequality of wealth? One percent of the world's population control forty percent of the world's wealth. Just under fifty percent of the sub-Saharan children live in extreme poverty, and over fifty percent of Indian children are malnourished. Even in our own countries, neo-liberalism and 'free market' ideology allow the rich to get richer and the poor poorer. Unregulated capitalism only sustains these social and economic injustices.
@GalenAus No it's not. Whenever Labour are in government we see them tax more and regulate more and nationalise more. ANARCHY is the lack of government.
@Yababoos123 I agree with grandslam here. After the fall of 'Socialism' as you see it, in 1989/90, we, the capitalist world look now, to where for the next pills to solve our ills? China!!! - a highly centralized command economy - it's market reforms, and the new economy that's running around is all on a leash from Beijing. Grandslam is right, it is a sliding scale. We have to break this dichotomy as we rely on the central bank to manipulate the interest rate, not just the market.
@Yababoos123 It's a shame that's not what capitalism has grown into... It's now grab as much money as you can and fuck off laughing at the tax payer. But yeah, socialism isn't the way forward, to many people are quick to through off any sort of liberal ideology as socialism though.
@grandslam1998 "Britain has always produced quality goods" - Au contraire, it's one of the great illusions that Britons delude themselves with. Along with "Punching above our weight", and "Best army in the world".
If we have always produced quality goods, why is it that we had to indirectly import magnetos and machine tools from Germany in WWI? Or buy American machinery to equip our factories in WWII? Why, post-war, did we not boom with the help of American aid?
@BertrumPantyshield Bertrum old chap. Why do you knock our homeland? Britain is one of the richest countries in the world and this bcause we produce quality goods and and services. Fact!
@grandslam1998 I don't knock our homeland, I knock the arrogance that is always used as a block for criticism or development.
The reason why we had to import from our enemies in WWI was because industry was allowed to continue on a small scale. We were convinced we made quality goods, and our way was best. We were proved wrong.
I am proud to be a Briton and an Englishman, and more than happy to live in this green and pleasant land, but to ensure it remains great we must combat complacency.
@BertrumPantyshield I am pleased you a patriot. I know that there are many problems in Britain and at times we can be arrogant but having said that we do live in a country that delivers a good standard of living. We have a hard working workforce and systems that are seemingly democratic. Britain is not complacent it is dynamic that is why many people from all over the world wish to live here.
@pimpUK1 I disagree. I don't think there was apathy - notwithstanding the effects of industrial disputes and deliberate sabotage, I think they really tried to improve products and innovate throughout the decline. I think the reality is simply cheaper labour in Asia, along with lax or no environmental restrictions, better transport and it all added up to better exploitation. Globalization is a nice word for it.
Oil, my dear lady, oil. This your speach stinks of it, from your castrol-burmah husband no doubt, you puppet tory PM.
What Britain could have done without winding up the emptions of all and sundry around you and your husbands liitle mind. And what are to do now. Thatch, with your out of control personal army, still out of control and totally ad - the once Great British Police Force that you destroyed in the 1980s.
Thatchter was a puppet cunt, and her husband Denis held the fecking strings.
She is right, the only way to kill inflation was to cut the money supply. That was a scientific FACT. Sorry to the socialists but fact have a market liberal bias.
@TheRealTaco87 State dependant? I own my own Engineering Company and have probably contributed more to the tax coffers than you ever have. I'm just not a conservative tosser.
@JosephIrvin12 because now in the cold light of day you are all being proven wrong just as you were in the 80's honestly, your all very silly people. Anyone who kills the whole of British industry and thinks it is a good thing is a tosser.
@123hero321 Killing the industry? So closing down mine's that were already losing money was a bad thing to do? I have family who were miners and after they were laid off they were given £35,000 each. Thatcher privatised BP, which was at the time a mediocre oil company that was barely staying afloat. It's now privatised, and one of the biggest grossing oil companies in the world. You're seriously saying what she did was wrong?
@JosephIrvin12 Which ones where loosing money? I want you to give me facts, I know 7 pits in my area shut on profit, on fucking PROFIT! Who closes an induxtry on profit? and who vetos any attempt at buy outs? A stupid yank and a frazzled old tory granny with a silver spoon in her arse and no concept of reality thats who.
@pimpUK1 That's garbage. open-casting is only efficient where the overburden has a ration of less than 10 to one coal, some areas of reserves cannot be opencasted. Otherwise all the reserves assigned to former pits would now be gone because coal was and still is big business.
@123hero321 You clearly know very little about industry if you think that closing UNPROFITABLE mines amounts to 'killing an industry'. If you actually care to look at the figures, as opposed to relying on your out of date misconceptions, you'll see that the manufacturing sector of the economy GROW under the Thatcher/Major govts, whilst it shrank under Blair + Brown. As JosephIrvin12 points out, privatisation resulted in outstanding success for BT, BA + BP around the world as industry leaders!
@UnitedBritannia I'm a Mechanical Engineer, I know a fair bit about industry thanks. How many of your growth companies are british? And yes some pits were uneconomical, but what about the ones that close in profit? Explain that away. Also none of you where actually there, you apply market forces to people lives at a greater cost of putting people on the dole and closing dependant industries, look at the bigger picture, we subsidies the farmers why dont we shut them down? Lies lies lies.
@123hero321 Do you actually have ANY figures whatsoever to back up your point? All I'm getting from you is the same ignorance and lack of willingness to look at the facts that was portrayed by the student protesters. I'm sorry but ask any economist with a sound understanding of what happened and they will tell you that what Thatcher did wasn't wrong, it wasn't to further the Conservative ideology of the free market, it was to benefit the country!
@JosephIrvin12 Diversionary tactics, smoke and mirrors and tory lies, every pit in my area closed on profit, you can go to companies house if you wish to examine the figures. You also cannot apply market forces to an industry which proivided the country with energy of which we still need over 40% for electricity generation. Weigh the cost of subsides agains the impact of closure on comunities and dependant industries, it really dosent add up.
Therefore, Thatcher is telling the truth when she says "that there is some obscure economic religion that demands this level of unemployment as part of its grisly ritual." That's it, exactly...
@lordhighexecutioner I don't know whether you are a genuine economic illiterate or just like spreading lies to others that don't know better. Either way, what you said was absolute garbage. Also the NAIRU is accepted by the large majority of serious economists unlike economic religions like Marx's labour theory.
When Callaghan was in charge the official view was that inflation would be reduced through an incomes policy. Thatcher changed that to a mass unemployment and bankruptcy method of controlling inflation. The Friedmanites have something called NAIRU used to justify this. Unemployment is designed to lower the price of labour and undercut inflation that way. That is the way western governments control inflation in the neoliberal age. An unemployment rate under the NAIRU is said to be undesirable.
@lordhighexecutioner WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT??? The NAIRU was done to show that the phillip's curve is bullshit in the long term. Ironically the way you would cut inflation in the OLD days as the Neo Keynesians such as Paul Samuelson would say was to create higher unemployment. They said the two goals were mutually exclusive and couldn't rise together which they did under stagflation. The monetarists the real way to cut inflation is to cut the money supply dummy.
The UK's unemployment rate never has returned to that of the Callaghan era - officially though it did drop under 5% in the 2000s, it had been redefined many times during Thatcher's time to make it artificially low.
rumour has that is why the Fokke-Wulf 190 fighter landed at Pembrey, because he was so impressed at all of us waving at 'im, even if what the fuck was going on in the rest of europe.....
a long range german fighter, with drop tanks, straffing the marvellous anthracite coalfields of west wales, in the last serious war to affect us, Marge,
might as well post Marges favorite piece of pop music, and fair play, it is an out and out and total classic. Yes, I would ,move to see Marge jigging her legs to this early electronica track from the early sixties in her local dads Conservative Club,
don't worry marge, comes to us all, even me, a day which I am certainly not looking forward to, but it comes to all of us, and I am shit scared of that day. But since you are going to be around for at least the next twenty years, I might get there before you. I'll send you a postcard of the sites.
when are you going to die Marge? only a joke, you must have heard it a thosand times, especially on those shallow beb comedy shows. Live to a hundred Marge, fuck them.
Shut the fuck up Maggie, you total waste of historical history. I don't blame you, I blame the piped-pippers that used and abused you, including your husband.
Christ, she was just an inocent girl from a corner shop in Lincolnshire. Why did she get involved with these south-eastern British fascists?
Fascists? Fascism is a type of Socialism. Just look at Mussolini the so called father of Fascism. His parents were socialists, he was named after a socialist, he became a prominent member of the socialist party, edited a socialist newspaper but apparently he is somehow "right wing".
""We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
@smoochym I liked the girl with her sprit, allowing me to fprget her snatching milk from youngsters mouths. Anyway, I thought I would give her a bit of slack, and then she semed to turn our police force into some sort of army, doing things like preparing for civil revolt and that such stuff. Us brits do not do revolt, we just do back our rights, that is all. And the poncing police service has not recovered to Sgt. Blaktons Heartbeat levels since.
@closertofiftythanyew by the way, we have the less asbo rate in england and wales down here, Dyfed-Powys region - shows what true stock we are, the pride of a shithouse GB country we try to pick up, yes.
And by the way, some people think that Margaret Thatcher was the british prime minister then! IDIOTS! It was Dennis Thatcher by proxy! He said, listen to me Marge, or I will not give you an outlet for your megalomaniac ways, so listen to everything I say, 'WORKING PEOPLE ARE THE DEVIL'...
Quite amusing that BP, where Dennis made his money is fucking up bigtime now. Dennis was a true cunt.
if i could press a button, most of britain then would have hopped you would have blown up then.
But you overestimated brits from Wales , Scotland and any part of england you choose thatch not to victimise, a fact depending on how close it is to the home counties verses oil income
@closertofiftythanyew Your comments are symptomatic of the malaise the Left finds itself in. No positive agenda - just tired old attacks based on social class and nothing else. Did Blair's attendance at the Scottish version of Eton (Fettes) automatically disqualify him from political leadership? What about Brown as a member of the Scottish aristocracy? What about the vast majority of Labour's front benches populated by public school and Oxbridge educated politicians?
@UnitedBritannia Have a look at this chart, the figures at the bottom, GDP with debt percentage, Google-
' ukpublicspending uk_national_debt_chart '
It shows we weren't doing too bad at all until the bankers caused all the trouble they did from 2008 onwards! Even still, now is much better than WWI to about 1970s, and borrowing only started to fall as a %age due to paying off WWII debt and North Sea oil coming on stream.
@closertofiftythanyew The bankers? Not seen how much was spent on bailing the banks out compared to the debt we have? How do you explain the 25% deficit on the bankers? We are not bailing out banks daily; Labour just can't do maths so always borrow beyond the countries means so now we all have to pay an average of £10,000 each to pay for their mistake.
@closertofiftythanyew You are imagining class divides between the parties that don't exist! I think you may like to ask yourself why it is that meritocracy was halted in this country and why fewer people from ordinary backgrounds have a high profile role in our public life. It's because the Labour party took a sledge-hammer to our education system in the 1960's with their "progressive" methods and vandalized the most successful institution for social mobility we've ever had - Grammar Schools.
wow. Great quality for 1980!
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Financial crises, the housing, nutrition and climate catastrophes but ESPECIALLY the debt crisis... Oh what a Nemesis it has become.
"There is no such thing as a society" (M.H.Thatcher)
CaptainBluebear08 5 days ago
Financial crises, the housing, nutrition and climate catastrophes but ESPECIALLY the debt crisis... Oh what a Nemesis it has become.
"There is no such thing as a society" (M.H.Thatcher)
CaptainBluebear08 5 days ago
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Thatcher was a bitch whore fascist and murdress. Idiot. Without brain. Mad. Madness provokes Alzheimer. France hate her. Mitterand hated her. You will suffer old mad garbage. The actress is a bloody idiot to have accepted this role or she is her herself a bitch thatcherian. Die also cretin !
lionelagarde 1 week ago
NOT ME IS NO DOUBT THAT IF expropriated .. ALL COMPANIES IN LATIN AMERICA BRITISH EMPIRE THAT RUSTY falls apart ... AY ME ONLY IMAGINE THAT CAN VOTE THE NATIVE Scottish REFERENDUM
dario2015 1 week ago
ENGLISH THESE are a Class Act ... IRELAND RETURN OF THIEVES AND PEÑON GIBRALTAD AND FALKLAND ....
dario2015 1 week ago
As an American, I definitely say that Thatcher's biggest accomplishment was sucessfully implementing monetarism to control inflation. The US was doing the same thing at the time. Here a Democrat was held of our central bank and he actually implemented the policy independent of President Reagan. The Republicans were crushed in 1982 midterms because of a deep recession caused by the tightening of the money supply. When fighting inflation, things always get worse before they get better!
MrSaemisch 2 weeks ago
British industry was destroyed by the union movement in the 1960s and 70s, quite deliberately. The thinking of the left at the time was that if industry and the economy collapsed, it would create the condiions for the socialist revolution they genuinely believed was imminent. All Thatcher did was turn off the life support.
kevinto1972 2 weeks ago
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So sad..to think we had Churchill and Thatcher, how they loved Britain..now we got this lying weasel David ( you can have a referendum ) Cameron. god help the U.K
1225MAGNA 3 weeks ago
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Bravo! Wish she was still around - wish any politician (male or female) in the UK had half her patriotism, loyalty, integrity, intellect, honesty, class and yes BACKBONE to raise the UK out of its current Socialist cesspools.
tinketteful 1 month ago
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tinketteful 1 month ago
Under Thatcher Britain had mass unemployment. Infation over 20 per cent. Street riots. Strikes .War. She was a disaster!
grandslam1998 1 month ago
Troll. That monkey on your back is controlling you.
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam.
define 'poverty'.
all rural workers are 'poor'.
giving them credit and a city to live in doesn't mean their lives are better.
ask the millions and millions of children working 18 hours a day in China assembling iphones.
yeah...capitalism is wonderful.
koralis2010 1 month ago
Margaret Thatcher was Milton Friedman in drag!
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 yes!
FadeToBlack888 1 month ago
capitalism benefits from unemployment because it creates competition for increasingly un-gainful employment, if there is an abundance of high quality work then workers can afford to be very picky which doesn't bode well for the capitalists
RadicalSyndicate 1 month ago
It is the capitalism that has saved China from the fate of North Korea. China was like North Korea before 1976. I grew up in China during the period of Culture Revolution from 1966 to 1976 when China was worse than the current North Korea. Unfornately, China has been a state capitalist country where the government is the largest capitalist and the only owner of every inch of land. That is why corruption is normal there.
songjj 2 months ago
blood on her hands
1killerbilly 2 months ago
im looking forward to the death of this bitch i just hope its painfull
peppersdog1 2 months ago
@peppersdog1 your socialist balls still hurt?
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada why dont you die soon tosser ......socialist you could not be further from the truth this fucking bitch srarted the decline of our industry thats why we are fucked
peppersdog1 2 months ago
@peppersdog1 You really are a sick person then.
mikesheen741 2 months ago
@mikesheen741 no im a complete selfish nasty cunt ...a true product of thatchers im alright jack fuck you britain
peppersdog1 2 months ago
@CuntCameron
Whether or not you like her, wanting her too die is just sick and weakens your argument anyway. :(
Priestner 2 months ago
Mary we don't believe in labour at all, one man cannot rule another, nor labouring can continue forever. We believe a code, just like the jedi's code, but a code of the bible not yours autopia, and removal of all banks and money of all totalitarians and capitalists of all seeking subversion and false revolution. We say lets try to evolve.
SomeUser9753 3 months ago
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Capitalism cannot provide and neither can Socilaism. So where do we go from here? The answer is staring us in the face, the cancer in society is Money itself. Pure and simple. We need a RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY. Please resarch, we need to evolve. Change is the only constant and we must not fear it. In the words of this lady, 'There is NO alternative'.
nansir 3 months ago
Meryl streep
yampier1161 4 months ago
What a fucking wonderful women.
Took this country from the sick man of Europe under Labour to 4th on the world Economic table.
Who cares if socialists hate her? What are socialists opinions worth?
Nothing.
Kozzy06 5 months ago 41
These idiots who cant wait for Thatcher to die - what does it matter?! She left office over twenty years ago, her legacy, whether you like it or not, will continue long after she has died.
morgansifer 5 months ago
@morgansifer yes and that's why we want her to die, we fucking hate her and she'll rot in hell for her crimes against humanity, or should that be her crimes against the working class? either way i hate the old bastard
EddieHitler7 2 months ago
Hurry up and die you bitch.
CuntCameron 5 months ago
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@CuntCameron
Dear me.
You sad little man. Get a life my friend.
Kozzy06 5 months ago
@CuntCameron How can you say that about your countries most succsessfull prime minister? - Sweden
Salladsdressing 4 months ago
@Salladsdressing good question to Cuntcameron. Had it not been for this great lady, Cuntcameron would be unable to afford a computer to post his thoughts.
maclachj1 4 months ago
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prben2 3 months ago
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@maclachj1
So how come socialistic Sweden and France had these wonderful technologies at the same time or before we did?
You people seem to think, Thatcher invented the wheel.
prben2 3 months ago
@prben2 Uh? Sweden has a population of under 10m people, has ultra high taxes, the worlds highest suicide rate and a responsible govt who impose budget ceilings to avoid deficit. France? If you think their system proudly demonstrates successful socialism, then I expect Burger King will be awarded 4 Michelin Stars. French are more fucked than us. She didn't invent the wheel, merely kept the nuts on until the next Labour horror show.
maclachj1 3 months ago
@maclachj1 15th highest suicide rate. Lowest in arctic circle besides Finland and Canada. Look into the suicide rate of Canadian Indigenous peoples of the arctic and elsewhere. Finland has a similar economic model to Sweden and Norway.
Your argument is flawed.
MacGyverinSpace 2 months ago
@Salladsdressing She was NOT the most successfull prime minister. She did however succeed where the Luftwaffe failed. She fucked up British manufacturing & industry.
CuntCameron 1 month ago
@CuntCameron Actually dick-head, Hate to say it but the British economy was well and truly fucked by your left wing brothers long before Thatcher took over.
Jellypoker 1 month ago
@Jellypoker Listen cunt-face, you're not old enough to remember the good times before Twatcher.
CuntCameron 4 weeks ago
@CuntCameron "the good times before Thatcher", who are you really?, Arthur Scargill!
Your lefty mates have got previous for almost bankrupting the country numerous times with their habit of spunking other peoples money.
Jellypoker 3 weeks ago
@Jellypoker Twatcher once said: "There is no such thing as society". That makes her a CUNT in my book. You keep your money you sad bastard. The state this country is in now is the results of the de-regulation of the banks that was started by Twatcher in 1986. Your money is becoming more worthless by the day bacause of that cock up. I prefer society.
CuntCameron 3 weeks ago
@CuntCameron - Your "Society" as you call it, this is the one created by Tony & Gordon, the one in which "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme & I want" became the chant of the Feckless jobless.
I actually do believe in "society" as you call it, but prefer to give my money to those who need it most, rather than those that can't be arsed to work.
P.s when you resort to sending private insulting messages, you've lost your argument.
Jellypoker 3 weeks ago
@CuntCameron Why don't you read the "no society" interview again in order to get the context and meaning of the phrase.
sircharles2012 2 weeks ago
@CuntCameron
The British industry was outdated didn't stand a chance at the world market. That is why the British government PAYED hundreds of millions of pounds to that industry just to keep it alive. Never ever ever subsidize an industry! That's like the first lesson in economics!
So she saved hundreds of millions of pounds for the government and in addition to that she transformed the economy so that it became more efficient.
Salladsdressing 3 weeks ago
She saved us from union blackmail, public finance bankruptcy and encouraged ambition. Sadly today's broken economy and comtemptuous society is once again the product of socialism. Spend all our money and encourage no productivity.
maclachj1 6 months ago
@maclachj1
And we uneducated so-called unwashed socialist masses, thinking it was those useless, greedy crooked capitalist banksters that were to blame for all the economic shite that is effecting the world today, and all the time it was those evil socialists.
prben2 3 months ago
@prben2 uneducated unwashed is your descripton, not mine. I agree, it would be misguided to think all the economic shite was down to those greedy useless capitalist bankers. The evil socialist govt's willfully spent all your hard earned taxes in the blind hope that capitalists would continue to pick up the tab. What a shame they where too busy drinking champagne to impose strict regulations on such irresponsible casino activities.
maclachj1 3 months ago
Stupid bitch.
euanm00re 7 months ago
Thatcherism was a plague for Britain. This lady is just a puppet chosen by powerful corporations interests to destroy welfare and trade unions. Welfare and workers rights legal slaughter.
Francesko263 7 months ago
@Francesko263
If she hadn't privitized all the industries that she did you would be in a much much bigger debt crises right now because the government owned industries lost BILLIONS of pounds each year and their expenses for being outdated and inefficient was payed by none other then the tax payers. If you are interested in this subject....PLEASE! READ ECONOMICS!
Salladsdressing 4 months ago
@demarch77 . U really have a way with words! Comrade Marx talks highly of you from the grave. You really are a twit. Do you get your facts from the Dandy and Beano?
grandslam1998 9 months ago
Ummh what is wrong with that.Some people love to be fat and lazy and thats ok but when you try to make a whole society or even a country fat and lazy then thats a problem then expect the government to continue that because their fat and lazy.Everything become soft and mushy.With the Iron lady a society would not get to be a sloppy mess.So whats wrong with that.Nothing.Society needs to be proud just once.Another words put in your time contribute and then enjoy the things that you can be proud of.
openedup09 10 months ago
Read the ragged trousered philanthropists to learn why high unemployment is of benefit to capitalists....
suefew 11 months ago
yeah, this is the true politician.
Pablo260492 11 months ago
I think the issue wasn't too many or too few mines, but what to do with the miners. Whole towns had coal at their center, and people wanted to keep them going out of compassion and nostalgia, not because they were the best way to get coal. Why wasn't there more effort to re-train the miners? Surely they'd prefer anything to taking dole the rest of their lives? In the US there is at best a very short-term dole; if you can't pay for re-training you're literally homeless.
TheMagmagoblin 1 year ago
Your missing my point, open cast mining is cheaper and more productive with a far lower workforce. Coal isn't really big business compared to the days when every home used coal for cooking and heating, every train and ship was coal powered. Power and gas came from coal and many factories used coal for production power. You just dont see coal any more I bet most kids under 15 have never touched any unless their home has a working fireplace.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 They use it every time they flick a light switch or boil the kettle, we still generate 50% of our energy using coal. And yes opencasting is cheaper, but not all reserves can be opencasted. You are talking to a mining engineer.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 You are still in denial, coal use is in decline. Look at how many UK coal powered stations are about to shut down and look at the new stations about to open, only 1 will be coal, the rest are going to be gas. Those that are to stay open are mainly biofuel.
Its cheaper to import coal, if i wasn't then it would be mined here, thats the way the free market works.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 So explain to my why I work at a private large scale coal mine and we make over £50 on every ton of anthracite we sell, the mine over the road is also in profit, there is to be a new mine started less than 30 miles away and we have more demand than we can keep up with due to steel/power generation. Also explain how tower colliery which the torys branded "uneconomical" was worked at massive profit for another 14 years? Honestly, you torys are all the same "Screw the facts, shut it down"
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 You know the answer to that surely, anthracite is a high quality coal and has a far higher value, its also in demand worldwide. The profit is made becuase its a private company, if it was nationalised in would run at a loss. There is also going to be the UKs first pot ash mine opening soon for the first time in years because some bright spark has seen that profit can be made from it and the market wants it. I'm not shut everything down at all, the fact is we didnt need so many mines
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 . The closure of mines was all down to The Ridley Plan. It was about smashing the NUM. Yes you can always buy cheaper when you buy goods from countries who pay poor wages and have no H and S laws. Free markets are a fallicy as there it is not a level playing field.
grandslam1998 1 year ago
@grandslam1998 I would rather a buy a better quality product that is good value for money and so did the rest of the world which is why we have no manufacturing. The UK industry was arrogant in its belief it made a "quality" product and buried its head in the sand. Look at all the last British car models made, they were shit, expensive and unreliable.
pimpUK1 1 year ago 26
@pimpUK1 . Britain has always produced quality goods and it still does. Capitalists know they can produce goods cheaper in developing countries because they can expliot a docile workforce. That is why set up and relocate in such countries. Welsh steam coal was the best but still they closed the mines. Thatcher was a reactionary. She harped back to the Victorian age when workers had little or no rights. Just read The Ridley Plan and then you will understand Thatchers actions.
grandslam1998 1 year ago
@grandslam1998
You lose after the the words "exploit the docile workforce" 300,000 million people have been brought out of proverty in Indian and China from their embrace of capitalism.
I'll do the math for you , that's 30 million a year.
Captialism is the right of the workers to be employed at will , Socialism is the right of ownership and control by the government.
Yababoos123 11 months ago 18
@Yababoos123 You do talk tosh. Capitalism = wage slavery. Workers in India and China are being exploited that is why these countries have so many billionaires. Socialism is not about state control. It is about freedom. The freedom from Capitalism!
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@Yababoos123 You do talk tosh. Capitalism = wage slavery. Workers in India and China are being exploited that is why these countries have so many billionaires. Socialism is not about state control. It is about freedom. The freedom from Capitalism!
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@Yababoos123 You really do talk tosh. The workers in China and India are being explioted that is why there are so many billionaires in these countries. Capitalism = wage slavery. Socialism = freedom. The freedom from Capitalism. Workers of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your chains, K Marx
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@grandslam1998 Nope, Socialist economies have never lasted more than 100 years. And the greatest massacres occurred in socialist/ Communist states. Even Hitler was head of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Key word here is Scoailism mate = Chains
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@Dalek1230 Socialism = sharing and giving workers a bigger slice of the cake. What is wrong with that? Hitler was a fascist and not a socialist.
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@grandslam1998 Nope, That was the exact ~*reason*~ for the revolts in the late 80's. The government was rich and fat while the people thin and poor. Basic things like bread were in shortage, This is why it failedl, socialists like you lived in fantasy world while everyone else was in reality. It has never worked, and never will. Now: Name on current socialist state that is in good shape. Now a capitalist one, :D Touche' Theres a reason for that
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@Dalek1230 Reality is subjective! A fantasy world is a world for those who consider they live in reality. You will become a socialist when your belly button is close to your back bone. Socialists like me are progresive thinkers Capitalist Tories are reactionary. People like you who make absolute statements are deluded and arrogant.
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@grandslam1998 what? you become a socialist when your brains become dust! Now name a successful socialist economy, your living a lie.
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@Dalek1230 O angry person. Loas.I think you may be living in a fools paradise. Take a good look at yourself. Anyway Capitalist economics is juggling by financally comics
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@grandslam1998
I'm afraid it' not atall that simple, if you don;t agree with me you are plain retarded.
403766 8 months ago
@grandslam1998 : All government is a form of socialism. It is a sliding scale of fascism, central planning, and tyranny. Socialism does not create wealth. The more socialism exists, the less freedom and liberty there is. Socialism is inherently anti-human nature, and anti-progress. The cake is NOT static. Capitalism creates more wealth and thus a bigger cake. And where there is freedom, opportunity exists for everyone to enjoy a larger slice of the cake.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@rippinsteo Utter tosh! There is no such thing as human nature only human natures. Capitalism creates great wealth for the few while the many beg for more from the Capitalists, The division of the cake is getting smaller for the many as the rich hoard their riches in the primative system of capitalism. Money makes the world go round. So share it arond with socialist policies.
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 "Not sharing" was never part of Thatcher's policy at all. To be responsible for oneself firstly and then responsible for others. It's archetypal, it's the basis of family and unity. It starts at home-and today, it doesn't. Government regulation does not stop this. It's part of how human beings are. But this does not change the fact that more opportunity creates more chances. So by all means share! I don't need socialist policies to be able to do that. Why do you?
HeinzHornsby 1 month ago
@HeinzHornsby A Government with socialist policies can redistribute wealth better that other ways. They can reach the most needy such asthe old and infirmed.
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 It is precisely the Government that cannot do this best. There is no such thing as public money. It's our money. We can choose. I don't need Mummy and Daddy to donate money or food to local causes, such as leaving 5 quid for food baskets for the local red cross or leave food for the homeless if I see them in the street. Everyone can give within their means. The rich do it, and perhaps they should do it more, true, but I can decide what I want to give.
HeinzHornsby 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 : Government is the most inefficient, wasteful and potentially corrupt way to manage most human affairs--including reaching the most needy.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@grandslam1998: What is the difference between human nature vs human “natures”? Is self-interest a human nature? Or does it fall under the rubric of "human natures"?
Wealth must be created before it can be shared. If fewer incentives exist for creating wealth, there is less wealth to share. Thus, under socialist policies, the rich will be poorer and so will the poor.
On the flip side, under socialism, those who receive the shared wealth have less incentive to create wealth--leaving them poor.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@rippinsteo . Under socialism everyone is better off. Humans are motervated in different ways. Not all people are self interested. Workers create wealth hence they should have a fair share. The rich are rich because they keep most of the profit made by workers.
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam1998: I disagree completely with Marx on his labor theory of value as you have described it. Unless the worker owns the plant, the equipment, the process, the raw materials, and/or otherwise takes on all the risks involved in the production of goods and services, the entrepreneur owns the surplus value he or she can negotiate in an exchange with his or her customer. The laborer agrees that his or her labor is worth whatever wage he or she is willing to work for--nothing more or less.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@rippinsteo Money makes the world go round. So share it. Socialism = social equality based on ones contribution to society. It serves the interest of society as a whole. Capitalism is reactionary. Socialism is visionary.
grandslam1998 1 month ago
@grandslam1998: I want to be able to voluntarily share and not because I’m FORCED to do so by the state. Socialism involves force. It is fascism and tyranny. Capitalism involves economic freedom. I’d rather be poor and free than rich and enslaved. If I am free, I have the chance to better myself in a way that works for me and not according to someone else’s dictates. I want to follow my own dreams—and not be forced to adhere to someone else’s “vision” of what “should” be or “ought” to be.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 Oh that's fucking hilarious, More worthless gobshite rhetoric from another leftie
So what have we got left after 13 years of Nu Liebour?
Biggest Deficit in history - Check
High Unemployment - Check
Highest number of Feckless Benefit Scroungers - Check
Yep - Socialism really works!
Jellypoker 1 month ago 13
@Jellypoker Ahh yeah, New Labour the true socialist party......
jonnyspence 1 month ago
@Jellypoker did you just call New Labour socialist? hahahhahaha you fucking cunt.
KantorekBaumerB14 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 : Under socialism, everyone is more equally LESS well off. Unless they are on a death watch or wish to commit suicide, ALL people have SOME level of self-interest. It's called sense of self-preservation.
rippinsteo 1 month ago
@Yababoos123
I think they are both myths - everyone wants to make money - everyone wants it to be fair.
It's a matter of administering both in a reasonable way.
superhamzah85 8 months ago
@Yababoos123 But how many people cannot eat due to the inequality of wealth? One percent of the world's population control forty percent of the world's wealth. Just under fifty percent of the sub-Saharan children live in extreme poverty, and over fifty percent of Indian children are malnourished. Even in our own countries, neo-liberalism and 'free market' ideology allow the rich to get richer and the poor poorer. Unregulated capitalism only sustains these social and economic injustices.
thatcher88 6 months ago
@Yababoos123 See my essay about how unbelievable and undeniably wrong this is. Source for facts plox?
Also
GEORGE BUSH JR RIPPED THATCHER OFF! and poorly, with his stuttering Magic Wand phrase.
MacGyverinSpace 2 months ago
@Yababoos123 socialism is the lack of government. derp.
GalenAus 2 months ago
@GalenAus No it's not. Whenever Labour are in government we see them tax more and regulate more and nationalise more. ANARCHY is the lack of government.
mikesheen741 2 months ago
@mikesheen741 Labour aren't socialists.
GalenAus 2 months ago
@GalenAus Lol. What are they then, capitalists?
mikesheen741 2 months ago
@Yababoos123 I agree with grandslam here. After the fall of 'Socialism' as you see it, in 1989/90, we, the capitalist world look now, to where for the next pills to solve our ills? China!!! - a highly centralized command economy - it's market reforms, and the new economy that's running around is all on a leash from Beijing. Grandslam is right, it is a sliding scale. We have to break this dichotomy as we rely on the central bank to manipulate the interest rate, not just the market.
mistersmith6000 1 month ago
@Yababoos123 It's a shame that's not what capitalism has grown into... It's now grab as much money as you can and fuck off laughing at the tax payer. But yeah, socialism isn't the way forward, to many people are quick to through off any sort of liberal ideology as socialism though.
SilverAnxo 1 month ago
@grandslam1998 "Britain has always produced quality goods" - Au contraire, it's one of the great illusions that Britons delude themselves with. Along with "Punching above our weight", and "Best army in the world".
If we have always produced quality goods, why is it that we had to indirectly import magnetos and machine tools from Germany in WWI? Or buy American machinery to equip our factories in WWII? Why, post-war, did we not boom with the help of American aid?
BertrumPantyshield 10 months ago
@BertrumPantyshield Bertrum old chap. Why do you knock our homeland? Britain is one of the richest countries in the world and this bcause we produce quality goods and and services. Fact!
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@grandslam1998 I don't knock our homeland, I knock the arrogance that is always used as a block for criticism or development.
The reason why we had to import from our enemies in WWI was because industry was allowed to continue on a small scale. We were convinced we made quality goods, and our way was best. We were proved wrong.
I am proud to be a Briton and an Englishman, and more than happy to live in this green and pleasant land, but to ensure it remains great we must combat complacency.
BertrumPantyshield 10 months ago
@BertrumPantyshield I am pleased you a patriot. I know that there are many problems in Britain and at times we can be arrogant but having said that we do live in a country that delivers a good standard of living. We have a hard working workforce and systems that are seemingly democratic. Britain is not complacent it is dynamic that is why many people from all over the world wish to live here.
grandslam1998 10 months ago
@pimpUK1 I disagree. I don't think there was apathy - notwithstanding the effects of industrial disputes and deliberate sabotage, I think they really tried to improve products and innovate throughout the decline. I think the reality is simply cheaper labour in Asia, along with lax or no environmental restrictions, better transport and it all added up to better exploitation. Globalization is a nice word for it.
mistersmith6000 1 month ago
Haters gonna hate, God bless Thatcher.
WimpBastard 1 year ago
Oil, my dear lady, oil. This your speach stinks of it, from your castrol-burmah husband no doubt, you puppet tory PM.
What Britain could have done without winding up the emptions of all and sundry around you and your husbands liitle mind. And what are to do now. Thatch, with your out of control personal army, still out of control and totally ad - the once Great British Police Force that you destroyed in the 1980s.
Thatchter was a puppet cunt, and her husband Denis held the fecking strings.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
She Well done Maggie, you took the Great out of British.
123hero321 1 year ago
She is right, the only way to kill inflation was to cut the money supply. That was a scientific FACT. Sorry to the socialists but fact have a market liberal bias.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
What a skyscrapingly huge fucking slutbitchwhore.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 Real mature. Although I expect that from a whiney, baby like, state dependent liberal such as yourself.
TheRealTaco87 1 year ago
@TheRealTaco87 State dependant? I own my own Engineering Company and have probably contributed more to the tax coffers than you ever have. I'm just not a conservative tosser.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 Maybe not a Conservative, but quite certainly a tosser.
JosephIrvin12 1 year ago
@JosephIrvin12 because now in the cold light of day you are all being proven wrong just as you were in the 80's honestly, your all very silly people. Anyone who kills the whole of British industry and thinks it is a good thing is a tosser.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 Killing the industry? So closing down mine's that were already losing money was a bad thing to do? I have family who were miners and after they were laid off they were given £35,000 each. Thatcher privatised BP, which was at the time a mediocre oil company that was barely staying afloat. It's now privatised, and one of the biggest grossing oil companies in the world. You're seriously saying what she did was wrong?
JosephIrvin12 1 year ago
@JosephIrvin12 Which ones where loosing money? I want you to give me facts, I know 7 pits in my area shut on profit, on fucking PROFIT! Who closes an induxtry on profit? and who vetos any attempt at buy outs? A stupid yank and a frazzled old tory granny with a silver spoon in her arse and no concept of reality thats who.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 They would of shut not long after anyway. Pits cant compete with open cast mining.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 That's garbage. open-casting is only efficient where the overburden has a ration of less than 10 to one coal, some areas of reserves cannot be opencasted. Otherwise all the reserves assigned to former pits would now be gone because coal was and still is big business.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 You clearly know very little about industry if you think that closing UNPROFITABLE mines amounts to 'killing an industry'. If you actually care to look at the figures, as opposed to relying on your out of date misconceptions, you'll see that the manufacturing sector of the economy GROW under the Thatcher/Major govts, whilst it shrank under Blair + Brown. As JosephIrvin12 points out, privatisation resulted in outstanding success for BT, BA + BP around the world as industry leaders!
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia I'm a Mechanical Engineer, I know a fair bit about industry thanks. How many of your growth companies are british? And yes some pits were uneconomical, but what about the ones that close in profit? Explain that away. Also none of you where actually there, you apply market forces to people lives at a greater cost of putting people on the dole and closing dependant industries, look at the bigger picture, we subsidies the farmers why dont we shut them down? Lies lies lies.
123hero321 1 year ago
@123hero321 Do you actually have ANY figures whatsoever to back up your point? All I'm getting from you is the same ignorance and lack of willingness to look at the facts that was portrayed by the student protesters. I'm sorry but ask any economist with a sound understanding of what happened and they will tell you that what Thatcher did wasn't wrong, it wasn't to further the Conservative ideology of the free market, it was to benefit the country!
JosephIrvin12 1 year ago
@JosephIrvin12 Diversionary tactics, smoke and mirrors and tory lies, every pit in my area closed on profit, you can go to companies house if you wish to examine the figures. You also cannot apply market forces to an industry which proivided the country with energy of which we still need over 40% for electricity generation. Weigh the cost of subsides agains the impact of closure on comunities and dependant industries, it really dosent add up.
123hero321 1 year ago
all she is thinking about is profit
supermorshu 1 year ago
@supermorshu Socialism makes everyone poor as we saw in the 70s
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
To be fair she did fantasise about pressing buttons. Well, the big one anyway.
And at least one of her fantasies will come true - she will never EVER be forgotten. Or forgiven.
groinhat 1 year ago
Therefore, Thatcher is telling the truth when she says "that there is some obscure economic religion that demands this level of unemployment as part of its grisly ritual." That's it, exactly...
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner I don't know whether you are a genuine economic illiterate or just like spreading lies to others that don't know better. Either way, what you said was absolute garbage. Also the NAIRU is accepted by the large majority of serious economists unlike economic religions like Marx's labour theory.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
When Callaghan was in charge the official view was that inflation would be reduced through an incomes policy. Thatcher changed that to a mass unemployment and bankruptcy method of controlling inflation. The Friedmanites have something called NAIRU used to justify this. Unemployment is designed to lower the price of labour and undercut inflation that way. That is the way western governments control inflation in the neoliberal age. An unemployment rate under the NAIRU is said to be undesirable.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT??? The NAIRU was done to show that the phillip's curve is bullshit in the long term. Ironically the way you would cut inflation in the OLD days as the Neo Keynesians such as Paul Samuelson would say was to create higher unemployment. They said the two goals were mutually exclusive and couldn't rise together which they did under stagflation. The monetarists the real way to cut inflation is to cut the money supply dummy.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
The UK's unemployment rate never has returned to that of the Callaghan era - officially though it did drop under 5% in the 2000s, it had been redefined many times during Thatcher's time to make it artificially low.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
We need Lady Thatcher back to sort our Labour's mess again. What a woman!
Dendiol 1 year ago
anything to tickle the thatch, I am a ladies man, by the way, thatch.
watch?v=BomGeUv3wNw
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
rumour has that is why the Fokke-Wulf 190 fighter landed at Pembrey, because he was so impressed at all of us waving at 'im, even if what the fuck was going on in the rest of europe.....
watch?v=0292ZQgmxqI
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew and by the way welsh breasts exposed might or might have not downed that cross-eyed Fokke-Wulf pilot.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
a long range german fighter, with drop tanks, straffing the marvellous anthracite coalfields of west wales, in the last serious war to affect us, Marge,
watch?v=FDbXqP7z-Uc
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
songs for Marge,
watch?v=Y54ABqSOScQ and
watch?v=8y3FFWPBvBs
I know where you were always coming from, Margaret. kiss
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
Indigo Pipkin, and Hartley,
watch?v=wpTx3cS4X4c
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
so what, Belle and Sebastien, a real and classic memory,
watch?v=vAlR9JWULEw
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
but this is quite good from the late sixties, horses,
watch?v=iR6z8GUywyc
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
You really are a laughably pathetic person. You spent an entire hour posting inane comments that no one is going to read.
smoochym 1 year ago
might as well post Marges favorite piece of pop music, and fair play, it is an out and out and total classic. Yes, I would ,move to see Marge jigging her legs to this early electronica track from the early sixties in her local dads Conservative Club,
watch?v=eGhxayGDa5Q
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
An 'oh dear' american, if I am allowed to welcome to the party, Marge. from the turn of abouts1970s. Gram,
he's dead by the way, watch?v=BITiY8M_oDo
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
I reckon Madge just loves George Jones from old, here uou are Madge, just for you, Margaret,
watch?v=jEkA6MvcjTE
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
don't worry marge, comes to us all, even me, a day which I am certainly not looking forward to, but it comes to all of us, and I am shit scared of that day. But since you are going to be around for at least the next twenty years, I might get there before you. I'll send you a postcard of the sites.
watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
June Carter this time, the other 'alf of later Johnny Cash, but wiih that giant now, Don Gibson,
watch?v=jmgtjkehTI8
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
The Carter Family,
watch?v=ewnfWoSQz3o
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
when are you going to die Marge? only a joke, you must have heard it a thosand times, especially on those shallow beb comedy shows. Live to a hundred Marge, fuck them.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
A song for Margaret, because, she is lovely really,
watch?v=nECoA-uVGfw
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
Shut the fuck up Maggie, you total waste of historical history. I don't blame you, I blame the piped-pippers that used and abused you, including your husband.
Christ, she was just an inocent girl from a corner shop in Lincolnshire. Why did she get involved with these south-eastern British fascists?
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
Fascists? Fascism is a type of Socialism. Just look at Mussolini the so called father of Fascism. His parents were socialists, he was named after a socialist, he became a prominent member of the socialist party, edited a socialist newspaper but apparently he is somehow "right wing".
You're so wrong it's comical.
smoochym 1 year ago
""We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym I liked the girl with her sprit, allowing me to fprget her snatching milk from youngsters mouths. Anyway, I thought I would give her a bit of slack, and then she semed to turn our police force into some sort of army, doing things like preparing for civil revolt and that such stuff. Us brits do not do revolt, we just do back our rights, that is all. And the poncing police service has not recovered to Sgt. Blaktons Heartbeat levels since.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew by the way, we have the less asbo rate in england and wales down here, Dyfed-Powys region - shows what true stock we are, the pride of a shithouse GB country we try to pick up, yes.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@smoochym oh christ, that is what you said. I have been wasting my time then. Ah well, such is life, and moving times, and that usual.
This film is out soon, if you can read between the lines.
watch?v=eERUqYM8_zo
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
So who, Thatch loike people, do you think needs re-educating, artists or fascists amongst us?
watch?v=gYG8OA2nYzI
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew Tidy better post of above/below video, yews and their Oireland, to be trew,
watch?v=HqRPsLTItGs
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
And by the way, some people think that Margaret Thatcher was the british prime minister then! IDIOTS! It was Dennis Thatcher by proxy! He said, listen to me Marge, or I will not give you an outlet for your megalomaniac ways, so listen to everything I say, 'WORKING PEOPLE ARE THE DEVIL'...
Quite amusing that BP, where Dennis made his money is fucking up bigtime now. Dennis was a true cunt.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
if i could press a button, most of britain then would have hopped you would have blown up then.
But you overestimated brits from Wales , Scotland and any part of england you choose thatch not to victimise, a fact depending on how close it is to the home counties verses oil income
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
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closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew Your comments are symptomatic of the malaise the Left finds itself in. No positive agenda - just tired old attacks based on social class and nothing else. Did Blair's attendance at the Scottish version of Eton (Fettes) automatically disqualify him from political leadership? What about Brown as a member of the Scottish aristocracy? What about the vast majority of Labour's front benches populated by public school and Oxbridge educated politicians?
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia Have a look at this chart, the figures at the bottom, GDP with debt percentage, Google-
' ukpublicspending uk_national_debt_chart '
It shows we weren't doing too bad at all until the bankers caused all the trouble they did from 2008 onwards! Even still, now is much better than WWI to about 1970s, and borrowing only started to fall as a %age due to paying off WWII debt and North Sea oil coming on stream.
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew The bankers? Not seen how much was spent on bailing the banks out compared to the debt we have? How do you explain the 25% deficit on the bankers? We are not bailing out banks daily; Labour just can't do maths so always borrow beyond the countries means so now we all have to pay an average of £10,000 each to pay for their mistake.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia
exactly. Thatcher videos are addictive-The transformation from socialism.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@closertofiftythanyew You are imagining class divides between the parties that don't exist! I think you may like to ask yourself why it is that meritocracy was halted in this country and why fewer people from ordinary backgrounds have a high profile role in our public life. It's because the Labour party took a sledge-hammer to our education system in the 1960's with their "progressive" methods and vandalized the most successful institution for social mobility we've ever had - Grammar Schools.
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago