God cares only about the sincerity of the heart... and whether or not we, His kids, take Him seriously when Jesus said: • Matthew 6:33 “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” • Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." • John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
Scott Wesley Brown put this hymn on one of his albums...a looong time ago...probably in the 70s or early 80s...great song! David Crowder Band does a great job bringing it back!
@lederfind And dont forget to mention this song is originaly jesuit catholic from the Jesuit hymnal Ausserlesene Catholische Geistliche Kirchengesänge (Cologne, 1623), "Lasst uns erfreuen". Pax et Bonum
I think it's incredible that his name is David Crowder and looks the way that he does. He is what I would expect King David to have looked like. David was the ultimate worship leader!
I think it's incredible that his name is David Crowder and looks the way that he does. He is what I would expect King David to have looked like. David was the ultimate worship leader!
My daughter and son-in-law used this as the processional for their wedding. It was so beautiful, so perfect for their special day. Thank you, David, for illuminating St. Francis's message for us all.
This song and David for that matter are a glimpse of the man behind the music, St. Francis of Assisi (the one who wrote the lyrics). I love all of it, they are a picture of simple poverty and childlike wonder at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
For more than two years I've listened to this song. Not once did I realize how eccentric and peculiar David actually looked physically. I have a long way to go in being overly-judgemental. Thank you, Jesus, for showing me the way, the truth and the light once again.
@care1281 Heh, for a while I just assumed Crowder was the dude with the headphones on the cover of the "Can You Hear Us?" CD. I was a bit surprised the first time I glimpsed the "gnome hair".
But I think it's sad that we seem to expect all of our worship leaders to be clean-shaven metrosexuals.
It's called a tricky stick...they do come in a pair...."tricky sticks" they are kinda bamboo rods bound with plastic and are for playing in a quiet way but still beat the drums hard.
...or bundle sticks, they come in all different rod sizes, and Vic Firth also produce some with an adjustable rubber 0-ring to adjust the tension of the rods at the end of the stick. Cool stuff.
@yesmanyesman1 I agree, haha but he actually didn't write this particular song. The words are from St. Francis of Assisi, and the music I believe goes back to the 17th century where it was from a Catholic hymnal.
When the widow put her two mites into the treasury, I'm sure it didn't look very impressive to many, especially if the quality and human value of the coin was the focus. However, as we know, it was her sacrifice that made her offering acceptable. This man seems to be giving back that which was first given to him. I don't think that we need to spend time debating the quality of his offering based upon the human value of what we see/hear on the outside. Just my "two cents" worth.
what do you mean by that? I see nothing butchered by this arrangement..if anything, a wider audience of christians are more likely to be exposed to this version than keeping it lock up within the catholic church and hardly be sung.
A "wider audience" of Christians? By that you mean a small sub-culture of 21st century white American middle class evangelical-protestant hipsters. If people want religious music they deseve the best (Bach, Mozart, Gregorian Chant, Byzantine Chant, classic hymns etc), if people want secular music they can find much better than this arrangment.
Faith is not a fad, when you try to make it such, it is amazing how quickly it looks dated.
I agree with holdenmcgroin3..when i say issues, i mean it in a way that we totally miss the purpose of why these songs are written. Times change, people change..history has changed, but we still worship the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with all we have..our hearts.
I agree with coolerking04. "Faith is not a fad, when you try to make it such, it is amazing how quickly it looks dated." There are many many people who need to get cut up by that.
What is interesting, however, is that you are willing to come back here a week after you have left your comment to further cut on people who don't agree with you... Are you just commenting for the argument, or because you actually care about making the faith if the people who read it come away from a fad...?
You have every right as far as the Bible is concerned to point out the wrongs of your fellow Christians to improve their faith, but not to purely hammer on about your personal feelings on the quality of the rendition of the hymn. Obviously, I am exempt from this as much as you are.
I understand your point about a "wider audience" not appreciating properly. However, a time period can't dictate whether a piece of music is religious or not: it is, as has been said, the heart of those offering it.
The bottom line is: which do you think is more effective in bringing "the unsaved" into a relationship with God? After all, that is what Jesus told us to do: go spread the word! tell the Good News! Our debts are paid! : are more people going to hear that message, which is in this hymn, because of Dave's version, of by leaving it as Francis did it...?
I find it very difficult to side with the latter.
I don't expect you to suddenly "see the light" of my thinking, but at least consider it, please.
nathp89, i don't get it...? for starters, i work for a living so don't get to monitor youtube responses everyday like maybe some people do...this would explain my comments with some delay. and as for cutting on people who don't agree with me, where did i do that?
(continued) Because i made a response to someones opinion of a song? what i was trying to express was that we should not get caught up with the arrangement of a song. this coolerking saying the song was butchered is mere opinion..and that's okay..but stay focused.
(continued) i never said faith was a fad..that's crazy. as for the wider audiance, face it, a large community of the christian faith listen to modern worship (i.e. DCB). so lets get over this 'cut on people who don't agree with you' stuff and move.
All of those comments were directed towards colerking04. I was saying I agree in part with what they said. Seemed to me that coolerking04 was just after a fight and not looking to further anyone, so I asked what the motives were.
Personally, I love this hymn and adore this version. The first time I saw DC*B, I hadn't really heard of them and they opened with this, and it set the tone for their whole set.
This is why Christian art is in such terrible shape. People who don't accomplish anything for the Kingdom write pages of commentary criticizing the people who are trying to get something done.
Yes, music is in a decline. Secular music is awful, and Christian music is a bad imitation of that. But, it won't get any better as long as kids are more concerned with being rock stars than being good musicians. The CCM INDUSTRY forces the crap it owns onto a public that wishes it had better...too bad.
1Elbereth1, you show your opinion to be duplicidous and opinionated. "Most of the success of his ministry..." ? Looks like self-evaluation might help, should you consider yourself humble enough to do so. Who, my friend, decides the "success" in ministry and Who is apt to decalre it so? No need to respond with an answer because you already did, yourself. "Better music" doesn't determine better "effect". To be honest I believe "your" stantards cannot be met.
1Elbereth1, you seem to focus on the worldly aspect and not the heart. Yes you can critique style and all that "stuff". Yet, David leads worship from the inside of the way God made him. So what's the point of "training" when the effect is quite evident. You would do well not to focus on the technical and reflect on why there is such an abundance of fruit from Mr. Crowder's ministry.
Because the effect could be so much more. Most of the success of his ministry comes from his helping kids and college students, running camps and the like. He could add to that tremendously with better music.
But really, the purpose of art is not to be useful, but to display a beautiful, excellent new way of looking at reality. If one is creating art, he should focus beauty, excellence, and creativity, not how useful his work might be. The universe wasn't necessary, but God still...
took the time to create everthing beautifully, excellently, creatively, and harmoniously. Most Christians see art as a tool for evangelism, where really it's meant to be a reflection of God by being "sub-creators" in his image, making our own beautiful, excellent, and unique creations.
I like how he is getting the idea out there that to be a God loving man doesn't mean you need to wear a tie or have short hair or dress a certain way but be who you are.
Yeah, it's because I study singing and am majoring in it in college.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the song, but I just wish he (and most Christian singers) took the time to actually learn how to sing and be real artists in their performances. It makes me sad mostly that they don't care about beauty and excellence. :(
I think he's using what God has given him to the best of his ability. Maybe his pitch and vocal range isn't appealling to you, but "how" he sings and his inflection make up for that. Besides...it's not about "being an artist", to me it's about giving glory to and praising God. Maybe that's why I can see past his imperfections.
Or maybe he should accept the fact that God gives everyone different gifts and talents, and go develop the ones he truly has. Or, maybe he should try to sing to the best of his ability - he can easily learn how to sing correctly. He has great pitch, he just needs to learn to project, get proper placement, and all that jazz. Then, maybe more people would take him seriously - if one is really serious about pursuing an art form, they try to do it excellently.
And also, it is about being an artist. God set standards of beauty, order, excellence, and creativity when he created the earth. Every area of life has standards, including art, unlike many postmodernists (and it seems Christians too!:( ) believe. If we are made in the image of God and called to "be like Christ", we should be so in every area of life, including art. We should stive for beauty, excellence, and creativity in art - singing in this case.
Who are you talking to? The circles I run in find his ministry inspiring. As a music major myself, I can appreciate what you've said about his vocal quality, but in the end I don't agree. There's a place for a classical trained sound, a broadway/showtunes sound, a pop sound, and there's a place for Crowder's unique earthy sound. One of the reasons our God is so awesome is that creation is infinitely complex. To try to put God (or a voice) in a box is to not recognize the depth of creation.
And yet, isn't our God a God of excellence and beauty? Yes, He doesn't care what we sound like when we are just worshiping Him in church or as a congregation of prayer group, but the area of art is a whole different matter. Artists are in pursuit of excellence. What if God hadn't worried about being excellent and beautiful when creating the earth? Creation is complex AND beautiful. That is what I find amazing about God. That He can be so creative and..
Yes, there are many genres of music, but there are also standards for each genre. Art isn't all creativity. It is creativity within a form or design. David Crawdor is just basically talking on pitch. I'm not saying he needs to become an opera singer or anything, but he should learn how to sing in more of the rock. He could keep the the rough, earthy texture in his voice that is so cool, and sing excellently. That would display the uniqueness of his voice so much better...
Yes, artists are in pursuit of excellence. And God is a God of excellence and beauty. But what you are saying is that there is one definition of beauty. In that case, why didn't God give us all the same face? Because many combinations of eye, nose and mouth shape exist and all are beautiful. The voice is the same. There isn't even just one style of "rock". Singing in the exact center of every note is perfect for classical singing, but would sound completely out of character in this genre.
Instead, this style calls for a raw and earthy sound, which calls for a bit of roughness around the edges. I would hate it if he changed his voice quality. Basically, you are saying you don't prefer this style... which is fine. That's the beauty of God creating many musical styles and performers. However, I'd prefer if you'd refrain from saying Crowder doesn't care about beauty and excellence (unless of course you've met him and had this conversation with him?). I doubt he'd agree with you.
No actually, I LOVE the rock-style voices - the rough, earthy ones. He has SUCH a good voice for it, but he's throwing away his gift by not training it to sound beautiful. Yes, beautiful does not mean opera or broadway - it means (in the realm of art) being as excellent as you can in a certain genre. His is the more rock kind of genre (so cool! my brother has his kind of voice too :)), and I'm just saying if he really is an artist, he should strive and train to be the best he possibly can...
Yes, God gives each of us unique voices, so there's no way we could ever all sound the same! And I'm SO glad there are so many different styles of singing (music would be SO boring if there weren't). But, the point is, each one can be done WELL. He has a certain genre, and he's not doing it well. Have you ever read The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis? I think he makes an awesome point about how some things merit our respect and veneration more than others do. If there's no standard for...
beauty, why train to sing (or act, dance, write, ect.)? That would be pointless. Also, nobody could be truly gifted at anything, because everything would be beautiful. There are standards for everything in the universe (housing construction, cars, criminals etc), so why wouldn't there be for different genres of singing? Our culture has lost our respect for beauty because of the rise of postmodernism, and the church should really be the one in the forefront being the most...
You have a lot of good things to say. However, it seems you're wavering around the issue. You say you like the earthy style, wavering around the pitch, etc... so what exactly is your problem with Crowder's voice? And again I ask, have you spoken to Crowder to learn that he doesn't value excellence? ...to find out what he does to train his voice? You seem to be highly critical of this performance, but I challenge you as one Christian to another to be careful with your words...
in any public forum. To say most Christian singers don't care about being excellent is #1 a personal opinion, #2 false in the sense that I can almost guarantee you haven't spoken to a "majority" of them to be an expert on their psyches, and #3 it can possibly lead non-believers to believe you and to not listen to their music and therefore have a possible conversion experience. God will bring people to himself if He wants, but is your best testimony standing in His way? Just be careful. :)
Like I said before, my problem is he's not doing that style excellently. Singers like David Cook, Pink, Bon Jovi, and Steven Curtis Chapman are good examples of that genre done well.
Actions speak louder than words. If most Christian artists cared about excellence and beauty more in their art, wouldn't it be excellent and beautiful? I would love to talk to him to see what he says. So far, I have found nowhere where he took vocal training. If you could find me some good sources...
Also, it's not just a personal opinion. Great Christian artists like Steve Turner, Franky Schaeffer, Barbara Nicolosi, Thom Parham, etc. agree with me. They write many books about the decline of Christian art.
They all agree that Christian art has declined because nowadays Christian artists are more concerned with evangelizing through art than creating it beautifully. I was shocked when I first read that, but then it started to make a whole lot of..
evangelistic in and of itself, just in a different way.
Non-Christians already look down on Christian art enough, I don't think my criticism of it would make that much of a difference. True, some may be turned away from listening to it, but some may be refreshed that there are some Christians left that understand Christian art is really not that great, and don't just praise it because it happens to be about God. It can work both ways. I'm not criticizing all Christian art,just poorly done art
sense. They all make the point that art is meant to show, prod, and suggest things, not lay them out clearly and systematically like in a sermon. There is nothing wrong with either preaching or art, but they are such opposite mediums, that it just doesn't work when you try to put them together. Preaching is for calling non-Christians to Christ, and art is for showing that there is beauty and excellence in the universe and celebrating those aspects God has given us...which can still be...
I'm curious: Let's say that he is actually performing at the best level he can achieve. What do you think he should do then? Should he refuse an opportunity to perform? What? Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of all performers of all types are, by the very definition of the word, average and not excellent. What should they do? Should they all quit? What do you suggest?
Then I think it would be pretty clear he should focus on what he's really gifted in - running ministries for kids and colleges like he's doing along with his music. He could do recreational type singing and music because it's fun, but not as a career. This would give him much more time to do what he is much more gifted and effective in.
Because most of them don't train hard enough. I suggest to them to keep training to get better. As long as they're not content to stay only average and...
wish to work to constantly improve, then I'm perfectly fine with them not being excellent now. Of course most won't be, because it takes years or work and training to be so. I don't suggest quitting, but pushing forward to improve.
I think David Crawdor has so much more potential with his voice and song-writing. It just mostly makes me sad that his songs and ministry could be so much more effective if he trained and became good at those skills.
Here's one for you: What fraction of performers should be allowed on stage? The top 1% maybe? Who should judge? Who will explain to the audience that someone they like (like Browder) won't be allowed to entertain them because the jugdes didn't like his vocal technique?
Wow. Calm down. Sorry, I guess I come across pretty hard.
I never said they shouldn't be allowed on stage, but that they should be pushing to constantly improve themselves. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing well. A really good book to read about this is Imagine: A Vision for Christians in the Arts by Steve Turner, if you're interested. He explains it a lot better that I do. :)
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I like this rendtion of this great old hymn so much, I included it at the On-line Hymnal.
To find it, search for; Whateveristrue On-line Hymnal
God Bless You and
Praise be His Holy Name!
Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
dougp59 2 weeks ago
Praise God
teamjacobortiz 1 month ago
Awesome version of this great hym I listened too every Sunday.
JAFZX1207 3 months ago
Blessed, blessed, blessed musician. Perhaps my favorite of all time! This hymn is amazing. Praise Jesus for who He is!!!!
Kingram417 3 months ago
God cares only about the sincerity of the heart... and whether or not we, His kids, take Him seriously when Jesus said: • Matthew 6:33 “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” • Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." • John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
JesusGaveMeNewSoul 3 months ago
@JesusGaveMeNewSoul Yes, and of course, your actions reflect this sincerity :) If your actions are sinful, you are not reflecting sincerity.
dpbj602 3 months ago
I really like this song. Would like for you all to check out a version me and my friend did. Thanks
ACproject1 4 months ago
im 13 playing this in church lots of other songs to i have played in church on drums
mcewina123 9 months ago
Scott Wesley Brown put this hymn on one of his albums...a looong time ago...probably in the 70s or early 80s...great song! David Crowder Band does a great job bringing it back!
lederfind 9 months ago
@lederfind And dont forget to mention this song is originaly jesuit catholic from the Jesuit hymnal Ausserlesene Catholische Geistliche Kirchengesänge (Cologne, 1623), "Lasst uns erfreuen". Pax et Bonum
IvanSF1982 5 months ago
Love it!!
lionking4277 10 months ago
I think it's incredible that his name is David Crowder and looks the way that he does. He is what I would expect King David to have looked like. David was the ultimate worship leader!
saxman1212 10 months ago
I think it's incredible that his name is David Crowder and looks the way that he does. He is what I would expect King David to have looked like. David was the ultimate worship leader!
saxman1212 10 months ago
can someone tell me what make and model guitar that david crowder is playing in this video?
kevin77723 10 months ago
@kevin77723 I can! It's a Tom Anderson Crowdster. Awesome guitars but pretty expensive.
BlueThinker99 10 months ago
He tunes the low E string down to a D, just so you know
netwiseguy 1 year ago
this was written by St. Francis of Assisi, and I think David did an incredible job giving it new life.
grantino13 1 year ago
danke Jesus für solche botschaften
Kirinakara 1 year ago
wow, was für ne stimme und botschaft
aYSn4aLifetime 1 year ago
Davids music is genius, he was definitely blessed with a gift.
ChrisXMetal 1 year ago
praise Him, Hallelujah!!!!!
shaunbukovnik 1 year ago
My daughter and son-in-law used this as the processional for their wedding. It was so beautiful, so perfect for their special day. Thank you, David, for illuminating St. Francis's message for us all.
williamsstephens 1 year ago
This song and David for that matter are a glimpse of the man behind the music, St. Francis of Assisi (the one who wrote the lyrics). I love all of it, they are a picture of simple poverty and childlike wonder at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
riverdreams1 2 years ago 2
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zsimmen333 2 years ago
For more than two years I've listened to this song. Not once did I realize how eccentric and peculiar David actually looked physically. I have a long way to go in being overly-judgemental. Thank you, Jesus, for showing me the way, the truth and the light once again.
care1281 2 years ago 19
@care1281 Heh, for a while I just assumed Crowder was the dude with the headphones on the cover of the "Can You Hear Us?" CD. I was a bit surprised the first time I glimpsed the "gnome hair".
But I think it's sad that we seem to expect all of our worship leaders to be clean-shaven metrosexuals.
murlough23 1 year ago
saw him a week ago :D
TanteFrieda1990 2 years ago
What is the drummer using to play with? It doesn't look like a brush.
jcfrk2002 2 years ago
It's called a tricky stick...they do come in a pair...."tricky sticks" they are kinda bamboo rods bound with plastic and are for playing in a quiet way but still beat the drums hard.
ooXHelloThereXoo 2 years ago
They're also called thunder sticks.
Integraholic 2 years ago
...or bundle sticks, they come in all different rod sizes, and Vic Firth also produce some with an adjustable rubber 0-ring to adjust the tension of the rods at the end of the stick. Cool stuff.
as1937as 2 years ago
Or also called Hot Rods
chasecamtx 1 year ago
David Crowder is a musical genius, which explains why he looks like a crazy guy.
yesmanyesman1 2 years ago 25
@yesmanyesman1 LOL. My mate, the Lord uses all kind of folks for His glory. He's Awesome like that. Ya. Praise You Lord!
Jinlou 1 year ago
@yesmanyesman1 This song is NOT composed by David Crawder. It is an old hymn passed down from generations.
jimmy2027209 11 months ago
@jimmy2027209 Oh I see. were the guitar solos, bass riffs, and drum lines passed down from generations as well? hahahhaha
yesmanyesman1 11 months ago
@yesmanyesman1 Err I don't know about that. I just don't want you to give all credits to David Crowder. He changes a few lyrics though.
jimmy2027209 11 months ago
@yesmanyesman1 I agree, haha but he actually didn't write this particular song. The words are from St. Francis of Assisi, and the music I believe goes back to the 17th century where it was from a Catholic hymnal.
EhJayJC 1 month ago
noooo i just cant see his hands!! i want to know how he plays this song for my church band!!!:O does someone has a tab?
srry for my english, im dutch!
peanutshooternl 2 years ago
When the widow put her two mites into the treasury, I'm sure it didn't look very impressive to many, especially if the quality and human value of the coin was the focus. However, as we know, it was her sacrifice that made her offering acceptable. This man seems to be giving back that which was first given to him. I don't think that we need to spend time debating the quality of his offering based upon the human value of what we see/hear on the outside. Just my "two cents" worth.
holdenmcgroin3 2 years ago
What an amazing version of All Creatures, even St. Francis would be impressed.
crosstyle21 2 years ago
Another classic Catholic hymn butchered by "Christian Rock"
coolerking04 2 years ago
I didn't think it was that bad.
MedMan 2 years ago
what do you mean by that? I see nothing butchered by this arrangement..if anything, a wider audience of christians are more likely to be exposed to this version than keeping it lock up within the catholic church and hardly be sung.
75bears 2 years ago
A "wider audience" of Christians? By that you mean a small sub-culture of 21st century white American middle class evangelical-protestant hipsters. If people want religious music they deseve the best (Bach, Mozart, Gregorian Chant, Byzantine Chant, classic hymns etc), if people want secular music they can find much better than this arrangment.
Faith is not a fad, when you try to make it such, it is amazing how quickly it looks dated.
coolerking04 2 years ago
coolerking04, you got issues man. but that's okay. everyone is entitled to their opinion. blessing man...
75bears 2 years ago
No you have issues!
See how immature that sounds? But yah, by all means cut on people who don't agree with you.
coolerking04 2 years ago
I agree with holdenmcgroin3..when i say issues, i mean it in a way that we totally miss the purpose of why these songs are written. Times change, people change..history has changed, but we still worship the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with all we have..our hearts.
75bears 2 years ago
I agree with coolerking04. "Faith is not a fad, when you try to make it such, it is amazing how quickly it looks dated." There are many many people who need to get cut up by that.
What is interesting, however, is that you are willing to come back here a week after you have left your comment to further cut on people who don't agree with you... Are you just commenting for the argument, or because you actually care about making the faith if the people who read it come away from a fad...?
nathp89 2 years ago
You have every right as far as the Bible is concerned to point out the wrongs of your fellow Christians to improve their faith, but not to purely hammer on about your personal feelings on the quality of the rendition of the hymn. Obviously, I am exempt from this as much as you are.
I understand your point about a "wider audience" not appreciating properly. However, a time period can't dictate whether a piece of music is religious or not: it is, as has been said, the heart of those offering it.
nathp89 2 years ago
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nathp89 2 years ago
The bottom line is: which do you think is more effective in bringing "the unsaved" into a relationship with God? After all, that is what Jesus told us to do: go spread the word! tell the Good News! Our debts are paid! : are more people going to hear that message, which is in this hymn, because of Dave's version, of by leaving it as Francis did it...?
I find it very difficult to side with the latter.
I don't expect you to suddenly "see the light" of my thinking, but at least consider it, please.
nathp89 2 years ago
nathp89, i don't get it...? for starters, i work for a living so don't get to monitor youtube responses everyday like maybe some people do...this would explain my comments with some delay. and as for cutting on people who don't agree with me, where did i do that?
75bears 2 years ago
(continued) Because i made a response to someones opinion of a song? what i was trying to express was that we should not get caught up with the arrangement of a song. this coolerking saying the song was butchered is mere opinion..and that's okay..but stay focused.
75bears 2 years ago
(continued) i never said faith was a fad..that's crazy. as for the wider audiance, face it, a large community of the christian faith listen to modern worship (i.e. DCB). so lets get over this 'cut on people who don't agree with you' stuff and move.
75bears 2 years ago
All of those comments were directed towards colerking04. I was saying I agree in part with what they said. Seemed to me that coolerking04 was just after a fight and not looking to further anyone, so I asked what the motives were.
Personally, I love this hymn and adore this version. The first time I saw DC*B, I hadn't really heard of them and they opened with this, and it set the tone for their whole set.
Truly spectacular =)
nathp89 2 years ago
Well said... thank for taking the time.
blessings
75bears 2 years ago
This is why Christian art is in such terrible shape. People who don't accomplish anything for the Kingdom write pages of commentary criticizing the people who are trying to get something done.
Yes, music is in a decline. Secular music is awful, and Christian music is a bad imitation of that. But, it won't get any better as long as kids are more concerned with being rock stars than being good musicians. The CCM INDUSTRY forces the crap it owns onto a public that wishes it had better...too bad.
ReverendTFunk 3 years ago
1Elbereth1, you show your opinion to be duplicidous and opinionated. "Most of the success of his ministry..." ? Looks like self-evaluation might help, should you consider yourself humble enough to do so. Who, my friend, decides the "success" in ministry and Who is apt to decalre it so? No need to respond with an answer because you already did, yourself. "Better music" doesn't determine better "effect". To be honest I believe "your" stantards cannot be met.
promisedland08 3 years ago
1Elbereth1, you seem to focus on the worldly aspect and not the heart. Yes you can critique style and all that "stuff". Yet, David leads worship from the inside of the way God made him. So what's the point of "training" when the effect is quite evident. You would do well not to focus on the technical and reflect on why there is such an abundance of fruit from Mr. Crowder's ministry.
stoneez67 3 years ago
Because the effect could be so much more. Most of the success of his ministry comes from his helping kids and college students, running camps and the like. He could add to that tremendously with better music.
But really, the purpose of art is not to be useful, but to display a beautiful, excellent new way of looking at reality. If one is creating art, he should focus beauty, excellence, and creativity, not how useful his work might be. The universe wasn't necessary, but God still...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
took the time to create everthing beautifully, excellently, creatively, and harmoniously. Most Christians see art as a tool for evangelism, where really it's meant to be a reflection of God by being "sub-creators" in his image, making our own beautiful, excellent, and unique creations.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
I like how he is getting the idea out there that to be a God loving man doesn't mean you need to wear a tie or have short hair or dress a certain way but be who you are.
LukeXftw 3 years ago
wow, he's really bad at singing.
He just slaughtered one of my favorite songs.
That's just embarrassing...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
really dude?
I happen to think he sings great.
guess everyone's a critic...
genesis338 3 years ago
Yeah, it's because I study singing and am majoring in it in college.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the song, but I just wish he (and most Christian singers) took the time to actually learn how to sing and be real artists in their performances. It makes me sad mostly that they don't care about beauty and excellence. :(
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
I think he's using what God has given him to the best of his ability. Maybe his pitch and vocal range isn't appealling to you, but "how" he sings and his inflection make up for that. Besides...it's not about "being an artist", to me it's about giving glory to and praising God. Maybe that's why I can see past his imperfections.
genesis338 3 years ago
Or maybe he should accept the fact that God gives everyone different gifts and talents, and go develop the ones he truly has. Or, maybe he should try to sing to the best of his ability - he can easily learn how to sing correctly. He has great pitch, he just needs to learn to project, get proper placement, and all that jazz. Then, maybe more people would take him seriously - if one is really serious about pursuing an art form, they try to do it excellently.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
And also, it is about being an artist. God set standards of beauty, order, excellence, and creativity when he created the earth. Every area of life has standards, including art, unlike many postmodernists (and it seems Christians too!:( ) believe. If we are made in the image of God and called to "be like Christ", we should be so in every area of life, including art. We should stive for beauty, excellence, and creativity in art - singing in this case.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
... He's reaching so many people with his voice. God must have blessed him! :)
melissabrianne 3 years ago
He's reaching Christians mostly...and most I've talked to don't really like him. Not impacting the world per se, if that's what you mean.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
Did I say "the world"? Nope. :)
He lifts the spirits of so many people who listen to him...
melissabrianne 3 years ago
Who are you talking to? The circles I run in find his ministry inspiring. As a music major myself, I can appreciate what you've said about his vocal quality, but in the end I don't agree. There's a place for a classical trained sound, a broadway/showtunes sound, a pop sound, and there's a place for Crowder's unique earthy sound. One of the reasons our God is so awesome is that creation is infinitely complex. To try to put God (or a voice) in a box is to not recognize the depth of creation.
mrslisashoe 3 years ago
People in Virginia...lots of them.
And yet, isn't our God a God of excellence and beauty? Yes, He doesn't care what we sound like when we are just worshiping Him in church or as a congregation of prayer group, but the area of art is a whole different matter. Artists are in pursuit of excellence. What if God hadn't worried about being excellent and beautiful when creating the earth? Creation is complex AND beautiful. That is what I find amazing about God. That He can be so creative and..
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
...beautiful.
Yes, there are many genres of music, but there are also standards for each genre. Art isn't all creativity. It is creativity within a form or design. David Crawdor is just basically talking on pitch. I'm not saying he needs to become an opera singer or anything, but he should learn how to sing in more of the rock. He could keep the the rough, earthy texture in his voice that is so cool, and sing excellently. That would display the uniqueness of his voice so much better...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
and be in pursuit of beauty and excellence, like our God is, the Great Artist.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
Yes, artists are in pursuit of excellence. And God is a God of excellence and beauty. But what you are saying is that there is one definition of beauty. In that case, why didn't God give us all the same face? Because many combinations of eye, nose and mouth shape exist and all are beautiful. The voice is the same. There isn't even just one style of "rock". Singing in the exact center of every note is perfect for classical singing, but would sound completely out of character in this genre.
mrslisashoe 3 years ago
Instead, this style calls for a raw and earthy sound, which calls for a bit of roughness around the edges. I would hate it if he changed his voice quality. Basically, you are saying you don't prefer this style... which is fine. That's the beauty of God creating many musical styles and performers. However, I'd prefer if you'd refrain from saying Crowder doesn't care about beauty and excellence (unless of course you've met him and had this conversation with him?). I doubt he'd agree with you.
mrslisashoe 3 years ago
No actually, I LOVE the rock-style voices - the rough, earthy ones. He has SUCH a good voice for it, but he's throwing away his gift by not training it to sound beautiful. Yes, beautiful does not mean opera or broadway - it means (in the realm of art) being as excellent as you can in a certain genre. His is the more rock kind of genre (so cool! my brother has his kind of voice too :)), and I'm just saying if he really is an artist, he should strive and train to be the best he possibly can...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
Yes, God gives each of us unique voices, so there's no way we could ever all sound the same! And I'm SO glad there are so many different styles of singing (music would be SO boring if there weren't). But, the point is, each one can be done WELL. He has a certain genre, and he's not doing it well. Have you ever read The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis? I think he makes an awesome point about how some things merit our respect and veneration more than others do. If there's no standard for...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
beauty, why train to sing (or act, dance, write, ect.)? That would be pointless. Also, nobody could be truly gifted at anything, because everything would be beautiful. There are standards for everything in the universe (housing construction, cars, criminals etc), so why wouldn't there be for different genres of singing? Our culture has lost our respect for beauty because of the rise of postmodernism, and the church should really be the one in the forefront being the most...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
excellent and beautiful in what they do to show that, "yes, we have an awesome God, who cares about quality, excellence, and beauty."
My problem is not with his style (I like the wavering around the pitch too!:)), but that he is not performing that style excellently.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
You have a lot of good things to say. However, it seems you're wavering around the issue. You say you like the earthy style, wavering around the pitch, etc... so what exactly is your problem with Crowder's voice? And again I ask, have you spoken to Crowder to learn that he doesn't value excellence? ...to find out what he does to train his voice? You seem to be highly critical of this performance, but I challenge you as one Christian to another to be careful with your words...
mrslisashoe 3 years ago
in any public forum. To say most Christian singers don't care about being excellent is #1 a personal opinion, #2 false in the sense that I can almost guarantee you haven't spoken to a "majority" of them to be an expert on their psyches, and #3 it can possibly lead non-believers to believe you and to not listen to their music and therefore have a possible conversion experience. God will bring people to himself if He wants, but is your best testimony standing in His way? Just be careful. :)
mrslisashoe 3 years ago
Like I said before, my problem is he's not doing that style excellently. Singers like David Cook, Pink, Bon Jovi, and Steven Curtis Chapman are good examples of that genre done well.
Actions speak louder than words. If most Christian artists cared about excellence and beauty more in their art, wouldn't it be excellent and beautiful? I would love to talk to him to see what he says. So far, I have found nowhere where he took vocal training. If you could find me some good sources...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
I would be more than happy to see them!
Also, it's not just a personal opinion. Great Christian artists like Steve Turner, Franky Schaeffer, Barbara Nicolosi, Thom Parham, etc. agree with me. They write many books about the decline of Christian art.
They all agree that Christian art has declined because nowadays Christian artists are more concerned with evangelizing through art than creating it beautifully. I was shocked when I first read that, but then it started to make a whole lot of..
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
evangelistic in and of itself, just in a different way.
Non-Christians already look down on Christian art enough, I don't think my criticism of it would make that much of a difference. True, some may be turned away from listening to it, but some may be refreshed that there are some Christians left that understand Christian art is really not that great, and don't just praise it because it happens to be about God. It can work both ways. I'm not criticizing all Christian art,just poorly done art
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
sense. They all make the point that art is meant to show, prod, and suggest things, not lay them out clearly and systematically like in a sermon. There is nothing wrong with either preaching or art, but they are such opposite mediums, that it just doesn't work when you try to put them together. Preaching is for calling non-Christians to Christ, and art is for showing that there is beauty and excellence in the universe and celebrating those aspects God has given us...which can still be...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
I'm curious: Let's say that he is actually performing at the best level he can achieve. What do you think he should do then? Should he refuse an opportunity to perform? What? Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of all performers of all types are, by the very definition of the word, average and not excellent. What should they do? Should they all quit? What do you suggest?
collumww 3 years ago
Then I think it would be pretty clear he should focus on what he's really gifted in - running ministries for kids and colleges like he's doing along with his music. He could do recreational type singing and music because it's fun, but not as a career. This would give him much more time to do what he is much more gifted and effective in.
Because most of them don't train hard enough. I suggest to them to keep training to get better. As long as they're not content to stay only average and...
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
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1Elbereth1 3 years ago
wish to work to constantly improve, then I'm perfectly fine with them not being excellent now. Of course most won't be, because it takes years or work and training to be so. I don't suggest quitting, but pushing forward to improve.
I think David Crawdor has so much more potential with his voice and song-writing. It just mostly makes me sad that his songs and ministry could be so much more effective if he trained and became good at those skills.
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
Here's one for you: What fraction of performers should be allowed on stage? The top 1% maybe? Who should judge? Who will explain to the audience that someone they like (like Browder) won't be allowed to entertain them because the jugdes didn't like his vocal technique?
collumww 3 years ago
Wow. Calm down. Sorry, I guess I come across pretty hard.
I never said they shouldn't be allowed on stage, but that they should be pushing to constantly improve themselves. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing well. A really good book to read about this is Imagine: A Vision for Christians in the Arts by Steve Turner, if you're interested. He explains it a lot better that I do. :)
1Elbereth1 3 years ago
nice :)
MajulinQa 3 years ago
Dave, Dave, Dave,
Get to the Gym, man.
prahudka 3 years ago
ha. guitar arms
LovenotesMusic 3 years ago
I saw the guys live @ Atf in portland, they were awesome!
mason787 3 years ago
go dc!!!! forever and ever...... and ever
hugo12345811 3 years ago
<3 i love love love this song.
retrosamx 3 years ago
Great Song! Praise God!
mottoblotto 3 years ago
ROCK ON 4 GOD DAVID!!!!!!!!!!
bsbllowner123 3 years ago
NICE SONG MAN JIMMY
jimmymccombs 4 years ago
Like zoinks he looks like shaggy but he rocks more :)
punkishsloth 4 years ago 2
Great song by David Crowder and the gang. It's very soothing.
payne78 4 years ago
david crowder band sinplemente worship .gracias
BERALIZ 4 years ago
eternal worship this only a glimpse
HeIsKind 4 years ago
I heart David Crowder! When I first his voice...I did not picture him looking like this at all! lol...he is awesome!
VangJenny 4 years ago 3
its not crowder is awesome GOD is awesome man
yangman5 4 years ago 3
Man he placed his capo Way Down the neck.
zilperl 5 years ago
i love this song and his version of it isn't bad!! thanks for the upload!!!
zzzmath 5 years ago
Yes, thanks for the uploads. ^_^
zelgamer 5 years ago
Wow, Crowder is awesome!
aadding 5 years ago
Thanks for all the uploads!
edogg661 5 years ago