What you fooled 'Kuffar' should know is Quran verses were already revealed even before prophet Muhammad generation and only the time is coming awaiting the Quran to be heard by man.
What so weird about understanding 'Quran has been changed by a woman' (if that so what it is all about) because in other hand Zayd name (adopted son of prophet Muhammad) was also mentioned in Quran and this does not mean Quran has been changed by Zayd? Why you all such a fool think that god cannot talk direcly to a man if He mean to do so? Don't you think a man is one of god creation?
You peoples don't get fooled. Quran never been changed by anybody. It is the words of god that come in a specific time (the time where the generation of prophet Muhammad). Why? Because that generation is the best among the others, and that was told by god Himself. Many verses in Quran were revealed step by step according to what happen at that time so that peoples at that time know what is all mean by those verse, and the verses covered all aspect of our life amazingly until now.
You peoples don't get fooled. Quran never been changed by anybody. It is the words of god that come in a specific time (the time where the generation of prophet Muhammad). Why? Because that generation is the best among the others, and that was told by god Himself. Many verses in Quran were revealed s
I've never heard the story of that woman before but I'll tell you what though,the word"man"is mentioned in quran the same times as the word " woman" each is mentioned 24 time.
The challenge in the Quran is not to any individual person, The Quran says that you can bring all your helpers from the humans and the jinns to write one verse (this can be as short as a few words) similar to the Quran. And God says that if the whole world were to collaborate together they would not be able to. The point being if you claim that a human such as Mohammed wrote the Quran, then it should be possible for other humans to write something similar. If so they would show it to the world!
I found the Quran a horribly written work of literature. Therefore I can think of many other works that are far superior to the Quran.
In regards to similarity the Bible and the Book of Mormon are fairly similar to the Quran.
Lets say I wrote a term paper back in university, which I did. I challenge anyone to write a term paper simulair to mine. This Quranic challenge is meaningless.
If writing a poem in Korean like Songs of the Flying Dragon will make you become Muslim, then I will learn Korean or ask Korean friends to help me do so. Do we have a deal?
:-) . Before we agree, how many years do you estimate that it will take you before you can attempt to write a poem such as Songs of the Flying Dragon in Korean?
In fairness the challenge had nothing to do with me becoming a Muslim. The deal would therefore have to be that you would study Korean and attempt to write a poem like Songs of the Flying Dragon and I would study Arabic and try to write something like the Quran.
@NYCAustinNYC The perfection of the book, along with its linguistic prowess (obviously perceivable only by scholars of the language) is what makes it unique. As an example, its factual correctness is astounding, especially for something in existence for almost 1500 years. It describes the nature of the ocean (the Prophet never saw the sea in his life) with such detail that has only become apparent through science recently.
Muhammad lived in Mecca, one of the key trading cities of the time. Could not have Muhammad learned from traders that sailed the ocean?
I really do not know what to make of the high esteem that Muslims hold the Quran. I have read it, and found it a silly, repetitive, and badly written.
@NYCAustinNYC Yes I would stop being a Muslim. It says in the Quran that it is impossible. If anyone were able to do so, it would mean the Quran is unrue; I would not follow something that was proven to be untrue. There are criteria about how to judge. I agree judgesshould independent. It should be apparant that they are similar in quality say like people are saying Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey are similar, and not like comparing 'Lord of the Rings' to 'Peter Pan'.
Well... honestly... I am not about to dedicate 5 years of life learning Classical Arabic so that I could attempt to write a book similar to the Quran ... especially when I guess it would be dismissed out of hand by Muslims because of the confirmation bias that no book can be similar to the Quran so therefore it is impossible that I could have accomplished it, even if I did.
Side Question : How does the Book of Mormon compare to book that is similar to the Quran?
the fact this msg is exracted, i still disagree with hamza yusuf's lame argument. such thing was never the case. anytime God mentions or refrences men, depending on what is being said, its usually refers to women as well. his argument that until after women started complaining about male being mentioned often is fake scholaship
quran didnt came as 1 book ,it came aya by aya ,so the quran still wasnt completed at these days ,and jibrael still was coming to mohammed sending him the massage of what god saying ,to tell his people god massages
@NYCAustinNYC This nothing new, Moses people complained about things and God answered. God is perfect dont matter what people think at that time, He already knows the question is gonna come. So I dont see your point?!
@NYCAustinNYC Prove there is no God, God knows your atheist have been trying that for decades, I dont see you proving anything. Logic says: You dont exist if not created. So prove me you came out of thin air?! Quran is perfect, the bible is not!
1. Can you prove there are no giraffes in Antarctica?
That there is a God is the positive claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you not me.
2. Well the first intellectual Atheists have been around at least since Ancient Greece... so that would be centuries. Hmm... about a thousand years before Muhammad and about 500 years before Jesus.
3. I thought you believe God created everything out of "thin air"? Evolution is not like that.
@NYCAustinNYC To go thru your pointless list is with no sense, since you dont believe in Quran, so I ask you again, Just prove me that there is no God, that is to be nice to you, so I make it easy for you! Prove to me there is no God, mate! Im here, everything you said till now is just mambo jambo... I need fact and proof, not what you think of Quran or how long there have been non-believers! We already know about the non-believers. Now show me there is no God!
@NYCAustinNYC Whats happening, mate? You couldnt deliver proof??? Im very disapointed, you cost me good 30 min for nothiing, here I was almost "believeing" a atheists could prove something they never have never will.... Very disapointed at you...No Im not, you got nothing... Have a very good night/day whatever time is over there! May you one day find God inside you! Ma sellam fellow human!
@NYCAustinNYC "Yet, since God exists outside of the natural world, the positive statement that God does exist also cannot be proved." Well then you're subscribing to the old, out-dated, extinct Logical Positivism of Empiricists such as AJ Ayers. This has been refuted ad nausea my friend. Visit ActualEvidencedotcom, go to the articles section, and read the article: "Can We Reason About Things Outside the Universe?" I would be interested in your thoughts.
@EnjoiningKnowlege I shouldn't say it is extinct, since the likes of Dawkins have revived it. However, reviving a philosophical framework that has been refuted ad nausea really does not help one's case.
If what I wrote before in regards to proof that there is no God as represented in the Quran was not sufficient I thought of another way to explain it to you:
Consider the Hindu God Vishnu. When it comes to Vishnu you are also an Atheist, right? You do not believe Vishnu exists.
Yet it is impossible for anyone to prove that there is no God Vishnu.
The same logic aplies to the claim that Jesus is God. On this we are both Atheists. Yet proving Jesus is not God....
@NYCAustinNYC Listen man, you got no case. You have two choices, either you believe there is a Creator to all this or not. But proving there is no God to us who believe is pointless and you know it deep down.. I mean all this, vishna stuff, jesus stuff not being good, sure I dont believe in them being gods, but I do believe in Allah. You on the other hand dont believe there is a God in anyway! I think our discussion has reasched its end. I wish you the best! Bye
LOL... I have just spent the last few comments trying to explain why proving there is no God is impossible... OF COURSE I KNOW IT IS POINTLESS!!! :-)
What can be done is too show why a given version of God, like the one protrayed in the Quran, is unlikely to exist. This is what I have tried to address with this video.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. ..." - SR
@NYCAustinNYC Well clearly your understanding of the concept of God portrayed by the Qur'an is highly misinformed and thus, faulty. Firstly, your argument in this video is based upon a baseless presupposition: that the Qur'an cannot be from God, if God positively responds to a woman's complaint via including men AND women in all subsequent revelations. Look into the history of the Qur'an's alleged revelation - the same is true for many events including warfare. [cont
@EnjoiningKnowlege For years, the early Muslims were persecuted visciously by the Pagan Arabs. Many had complained of not recieving a revelation that permitted them to fight back. However, once certain conditions were met, the Prophet allegedly received a revelation finally permitting the Muslims to respond militarily. Here, we see another case where the nature of revelation shifted in response to the condition of the Prophet and his people (i.e. the initial recipients). CONT
@EnjoiningKnowlege The same is true in the case of the woman's complaint. I fail to see what the problem is. God interacts with humans, in Islamic theology, and consistently so via His Will which governs the laws of the universe. Often times, a revelation or God's interaction with humans varies based on the conditions we are faced with. At times, in order for humans to better internalize a revelation, God first Wills [cont
@EnjoiningKnowlege them to experience a situation which will emphasize the point of a verse (ex. the woman's complaint signified the presence of women amongst men, and the importance of being proactive; afterwhich a revelation corresponding to this emphasis was revealed). With Peace!
FELLOW CHRISTIANS, I HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF READING RECENTLY AND DISCOVERED THAT THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD IS THAT WE FOLLOW JESUS NOT ONLY IN FAITH BUT IN 'DEED' (ie. ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE WRITTEN LAW). IT CLEARLY STATES THAT BELIEVING IN HIS WAY MEANS ACTUALLY PRACTICING THE LAW. IT CATEGORICALLY STATES THAT THOSE WHO FALL AWAY AFTER HEARING THE TRUTH WILL NOT BE CALLED TO REPENT A 2ND TIME. READ HEBREWS THOROUGHLY AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING FAITH IN A FALSE GOSPEL. BLESSINGS
@NYCAustinNYC I hear ya, didn't mean it in a judgemental way, just meant to tell those who think it's enough just to believe in him without turning away from sin (thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners) etc. will find it a more difficult path. Of course we're all not worthy, but I just had a sudden panic for those Christians that have fallen into a spiritual slumber (as I did), and have committed sin consciously because they held a false belief that it isn't right but it's ok.
It is reported from Al-Fudayl (b. ‘Ayyaad) that he said:
The Qur’aan was sent down to be acted upon but people have taken just reciting it as enough of a deed.
He was asked, “How is it acted upon?“
He replied, They should treat as halaal what it makes halaal and treat as haraam what it makes haraam, they should take on its commandments and stay away from what it forbids, and they should stop to ponder its amazing knowledge and wisdom.
@NYCAustinNYC Why do you want to attack Islam specifically? If you really want to prove Islam is not the Truth, just organise your anti Islam friends to write one chapter equal to the Quran and bring it in front of the world. If you can do that then you will have proven that the Quran is not the word of God scientifically. Until then millions will continue to believe in the Quran and its miracles. You can search for videos by ex Christian priest Yusuf Estes or Mr Zakir Nayek for details.
It is my little response to 9/11, the reaction to the Danish Cartoons, and the various horrible things that are done around the world on almost a daily basis in the name of Islam.
"write one chapter equal to the Quran and bring it in front of the world."
I do not know Classical Arabic, so this is not an option for me.
What do you mean by "equal to"?
For example I prefer the writings of Shakespeare to Muhammad.
@NYCAustinNYC WE believe that the first person to claim a thing belongs to them should be believed, if the second person claims the first is wrong, he is required to prove his claim. The Quran claims that it is the word of God, so those who claim it is not should prove it is not. Like a scientific hypothesis, the Quran provides a fair test to disprove the claim that it was written by God. If it was not written by God, then it must have been written by man or Jinn, so let them show they can again
How funny the person who uploaded doesn't want people to hear Hamza Yusuf for more than a second but anyone can youtube "Hamza Yusuf" and listen to him more
information is not knowledge unless you understand it. Anyway with regards to the Quran all the verses that were ever revealed is still in the Quran unchanged. The Quranic verses was sent at once one night of Ramadan to the lowest heaven then it was revealed over the 23 years to the prophet and answered the questions that arose during the times.
"Quran all the verses that were ever revealed is still in the Quran unchanged"
I know this is something that Muslims like to tell themselves... but given that there was no written version of the Quran in Muhamad's life this claim is most likely false.
"questions that arose during the times."
Yes, and because the Quran deals with the personal problems of Muhamad rather then enternal truths is one of the main reasons why I find the Quran a silly book.
@NYCAustinNYC We don't tell ourselves we known it and we get our facts from authentic sources and it's well recorded and agreed by all scholars including non Muslims. Quran was revealed to unlettered prophet and people were illiterate and the method of passing on information is through memorization. It's well known that Quran was memorized not only by the prophet when it was revealed over 23 years but by hundereds of his companions and it's an oral tradition to this day millions memorize it
@NYCAustinNYC Also The Quranic verses were still written though it was memorized my hundreds of prophet's companions and when they realised that the companions are dying and also there is a need for it to be written down as the Muslisms are expanded all the verses were brought to gather and written in one book with copy and sent to the expanding Muslim lands. There is no doubt in this. It seems you don't doubt you lack knowledge, interest or understanding.
@NYCAustinNYC Islam is an illogical religion. If they claim Jesus is a prohet of God and his life was about tolerance and acceptance, then why would God send another prophet (Mohammed) to teach otherwise? God cannot be for and against the same human mentality simultaneously.
Jesus accepted women as powerful, not property.
Jesus said to 'forgive others' sins'
Jesus never recommended the stoning of adulterers - rather forgiveness and amend your life.
False the Quran was written down in his life time in different format like on the bark of wood or leaf , the Muhammad would have some write it down , you have to do more reading i dont know where right now I just wanted to make a quick point on that .
ok for augment sake how long did it take for the words of Jesus (AS) to be put in written form same of the scholars of christian say maybe 100 to 300 yr, and the Koran was memorize word for word and finally put in written form about 2 yrs by the order of the Caliph Abu Bakr , or we have 2yr gap for mistakes and you have 100 to 300 yr gap , now that is LOL , that is why I left that dogma religion call you just have to believe that 3 in 1 crap of falsehood , Allah is one God not 3
2. Yes it was about 100 to 300 years from the death of Jesus for the Bible to be finished.
3. Bakr created HIS copy of the Quran. But the Quran that is in use today was created by Caliph Uthman ibn Affan in 650. Then all the other versions of the Quran were burned. So therefore it is a 28 year gap.
Yes this 28 years is A LOT better then what it is for the Bible, but it is still a gap. In this gap the Quran could have been changed from what Muhammad had said.
Other historians have argued that the version of the Quran that Caliph Uthman ibn Affan is not the final version and the gap between Muhammad's death and the final version of the Quran is more like 100 years.
dont you pay taxes now? is this system then corrupt?
islam forbids killing women and children, AND EVEN if the enemy says the shahada because he fears that the muslims kill him, then killing him is forbidden! because only allah is the judge.
so where is all your proof? i can give you proof for my sayings. can you?
@NYCAustinNYC i said PROOF, not something which came from your mind.
no im not turkish. if it was a christian country, they would surely take taxes from muslims. they do take CHURCH tax, which is a percentage i dont remember...
who are you, to interpret the quran? me as a muslim who read the quran, says it is forbidden to kill a single human. wether it was a muslim or non muslim.
so? what about christian terrorism in irland? india? NORWAY?? romania? uganda? usa (kkk) ??? the crusades where innocent children and women were killed????????? ISRAEL???
This is proof that Allah has given us choice to choose our actions. The Muslims requested that the Qur'an be unisex, and that is what Allah provided because that's what they wanted. And anyway, the Arabic male is inclusive of the female form to begin with, in language that is.
0:28 = "If this woman's complaints changed what eventually became the Quran, HOW CAN THE QURAN be the perfect, word for word, message from God (the 1 True Diety)?"
>> Very poor question, showing that the questioner lacks basic thought process skills...
This actually shows the beauty & Amazing nature of God's Final Revelation & Guidance, the Koran. The Creator of this universe changed the style in His Book, because of what ONE (believing) WOMAN said.. * Look @ the care, concern, compassion
Can you sense the LOVE, the care & concern for the words of this poor woman (who was wondering why the verses did not explicitly mention women) ... BTW, it is well-known that whatever was referring to the male (men) in the Qur'an, without a doubt > women were implicitly included in such rewards, deeds, etc
But now ~ what kind of Lord, what kind of God (Allah) must this be - who is so compassionate & caring, that He begins to change the style of His Divine Words, for the feelings of 1 woman ;)
Now this only adds to the miracle & further proves the Beauty + Perfection of this Final Divine Guidance from God to man.. it is now complete. God in His ultimate knowledge knew that this would occur, He knew that this woman would say this, and He already knew He would change it (out of His mercy) to make His care & concern & love manifest..
And now today, in this PERFECT Book of Guidance, we have dozens of verses mentioning male & female together, men/women side by side in their rewards, etc
And AMAZINGLY -- u see, God could've just - from day 1, from the very beginning, in that very male chauvinistic [Arab] civilization - over 1400 years ago - He could've just started sending down Verses mentioning men/women together, side by side.. and this would have of course come as a Surprise to everyone then ..what the hell iz this? "She" & me are same?!! Aghh ...& provoked hatred from others
But NOW, the way it unfolded, we see - a Woman spoke out. She was concerned. And God heard her cry
So foolish NYCAustinNYC -- if ur trying to allege that the Quran is NOT the [divine, final] Word of God - because a woman's words had a positive effect or impact on it, -- i.e. that God cared for a woman's concerns and changed His Words for her sake ~ and of course in His Divine Knowledge He knew that this would take place...
then ur messed up!
The Quran PROUDLY declares this fact! eg. Surah 58 was revealed because a woman was mistreated by her hubby! God called it, "the woman who pleaded"
So the Quran came to deal with ppl's real life issues, it came to soothe them, to uplift them - NOT to just be some grandious untouchable heavenly words that have no relation to our everyday problems, worries, concerns... God took this woman's worry into account, so what?! That only further proves His Mercy, ♥ and compassion.
In Surah 58 (Mujadilah - the Woman Who Pleaded) --we, to this day, know exactly who that lady was about whom God from above the 7 heavens sent down this Quranic Chapter
hehehehe search for thousands of other videos with authentic proofs and u will then run to hide ur ass :) search with these captions 100% Proof Quran is The Word Of God - Talk By Dr Zakir Naik Concept of God in Islam vs. Christianity Quran & Fingerprints The Quran the Verbatim word of God etc etc and etc :) grow up dear and accept the TRUTH , read the kalima shareef and be muslim read this LA ILAHA ILLALLAHO MOHAMMED UR RASOOL ULLAH
heheheh see the likes and dislikes status and you will know the quality of the intellectual honesty of Muslims ... not being very honest with themselves.
That doesn't make sense. The Quran is a revealation send during a period of 23 yrs. God revealed things according to the events happening during the Prophet's life. A whole surah was named after the complaint of a woman regarding her husband's statement. Allah answered her and many other things through a revealtion. So what are you trying to state?
My friend this clip has been taken out of context. This basically was very early on, when most of the verses were directed at the men who were most prominent in that society. It was a wisdom to communicate to the ones that mattered first. The language itself is directed at both men and women.
It was not the plea of the women that altered anything. The apparent convenience here does not prove anything.
ROFL on the sad attempt to discredit Islam, you fail to understand that Islam is the fastest growing religion on the face of the earth and there is no stopping it. the harder you try to bash Islam the more people embrace it for its Purity and Truth.
A sad attempt by an Atheist i guess, its too bad your brain wasn't fully evolved after the billion of years of random events as your prophet richard monkey dawkins call it.
shaykh hamza yusuf usually himself speaks out of context and many a times puts things in such a modern and fancy way in order to make it easy for a non muslim to accept that a lot of times it actually changes the entire meaning.
Dude... I tried to argue .. but.. seriously? this video is so lame and the "Proof" you wish to enlighten muslims with shows your mental capabilities. No wonder I havn't seen much reply from the intellectual side of muslims.. they must be /facepalm'ing at you now lol... seriously dude.. critisicm of a religion only shows your insecurity towards it... you need to grow up and find out theres more to life ;)
I hope you grow up one of these days to see how silly it is to believe in an all powerful sky daddy that will torture you for what you had for dinner (ie pork).
So question: why did you go through all this trouble to disagree with something? I mean Islam isn't hurting anyone. SOME "followers" from it are...but then again, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Confucians, and Atheists have and continue to hurt people as well. So....why? Instead, why can't you find something awesome that you're really excited about and believe in and be positive and share that with the world? You might find it to be a lot more fulfilling.
so? what about christian terrorism in irland? india? NORWAY?? romania? uganda? usa (kkk) ??? the crusades where innocent children and women were killed????????? ISRAEL???
Not even close to the magnitude of harm that Muslims inflict upon humanity.
PS
The Crusades were to a large extent just fighting back against the previous aggressive military expansion of Islamic countries. Are you totally ignorant of the Islamic take over of what is now Turkey, Syria, North Africa, Spain, (part of) France and (part of) Italy which happened long before the Crusades?
@NYCAustinNYC islam was spread with the word, not sword. however, when they conquered afghanistan and persia, the people chosed islam as their religion on their own, but when the arabs left, they did what they used to do before islam. so there was a war when the arabs came back.
moreover, the crusades were killing innocent woman and children, what is more harmful?
Nope, the historical record is clear : Islam was spread with both the word, the sword, and with taxes.
Taxes : Many times non-Muslims tried to convert to Islam in Islamic lands to get out of paying the jizya and were forbidden to convert by Islamic rules because it would too negatively affect tax revenue.
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So you feel Muslim soldiers killing innocent women and children in their pursuit of spreading Islam prior to the Crusades was OK?
This by the way happened during the time the prophet was alive so when they women complained, the prophet asked Allah for a surah that had women involved. This video is taken out of content to make islam look bad and once again it has failed.
@NYCAustinNYC Sorry about me mispelling context I did not check. Anyways, this video is clearly been taken out of context and it is clear. The funny thing about non-muslims and mostly Athiests is that they choose to hate Islam before actually knowing much about it and rely on famous Athiests words to slander Islam. If you want to know about Islam properly then visit a mosque and ask all your questions. Islam is the way and it's not about you respecting my beliefs.
@NYCAustinNYC It's about you accepting the truth. To you Islam might just be another religion that is living blindly but if that was the case then more people will be leaving Islam rather than joining it since Islam is today and has been since a long time the fastest growing religion in the world and that goes for the U.S and U.K aswell not just the east and Middle-east.
Islam is just another religion, one of many. That is just a stament of fact. To argue anything else is just silly nonsense.
It is not clear what is the fastest growing religion in the world. It depends on too many things. For example the religion of Wicca has been growing at about 120% per year in the US.
If Islam is growing faster then other religions then it would be by a minuminal amount. Even if it is... so what? Communism was once fast growing.
1. I am not a Christian so it is not my responsibility to defend the Bible.
2. That said, part of mainstream Christian belief is that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. Therefore Jesus was around before Abraham.
3. This is not so much taken out of context as Yusuf said something that is true about the Quran to defend a prior criticism of Islam that taken by itself opens up a new criticism of Islam which is the content of this video.
He has a habit of simplifying things to appeal to the wider audience so they can understand easily. What he said can be easily taken as something else so I don't fault you on this blunder. I wish you could ask him personal to elaborate more because this man is indeed a very renown intellectual in America with regards to Islam and Philosophy...
I know for a fact he would never accept your spin on his words. For an atheist this is very shallow
@AllahKingOfUniverse Certainly didn't fail. It merely points out yet another ridiculous tenet of religion. Why did the previous verses not get changed then? They were OK without women in, but god decided to make the authors change only from then on? Can you not see how ridiculous this sounds to an outsider. When you have heard it all from birth, then I guess you just blindly accept it. I would love religion banned completely for 2 generations, then see how many believers there would be? Hmmmm.
Allah knows all and is beyond imagination mercifull towards muslims... anyway keep your hatred witch is not brought to you from Allah... we keep our beliefs witch is also a mercy for those who do good ;)
Misunderstanding of you sir, turned to be a proof on us? How does that even make sense? The Quran did not change at all . And the consept of using the "male" talk is a common thing in all languages, even in English, and it's usually meant to both genders! So please, keep yourself away of Islam, if you hate it, keep your hatred to yourself, but if you want to proof something, study your book, then come to argue.
@group15f "How does that even make sense?" My guess is that your failure to understand stems from your Islamic mental block. "the consept of using the "male" talk " That was not the point that Mr. Hanson was making here. "So please, keep yourself away of Islam" If only Islam would keep away from me and mine. :-( "if you hate it" I do not hate Islam. I only think it is a silly thing to believe in. "study your book" What book are you refering to?
@NYCAustinNYC The second you called me "failure" says a lot about urself. I want to know how Islam affect you? and have you ever read the Quran so you say " a silly thing to believe in" ? I don't think so, and in matter of fact, I don't think it will ever happen. Howevere, the book I'm refering to is whatever religion you parctice.
@NYCAustinNYC In Islam we have tests, for example. The woman asking the prophet (S.A.W) about female talk, surely this is important. Does it now show that Allah is all caring all loving? she asked and it was sent, to me, that is a miracle and on her behalf should have increased her in faith. If anything, this makes the Quran even better because it shows ALLAH listened to his creation's call. Why is that a bad thing, when allah answers your questions or prayers? it makes it more perfect.
"Does it now show that Allah is all caring all loving?"
To me it does not. From my perspective it would better show that Allah is all caring all loving if Allah stopped people being born deaf, blind, and other highly limiting birth defects. Hmm... or how about stop children being born into families where they will eventually be molested by their fathers?
"Why is that a bad thing, when allah answers your questions or prayers?"
@NYCAustinNYC The topic here is Test. It's very complex. A baby being born blind and deaf and cannot talk or think. The test here is what the parents do with he/she, do they abandon it, do they kill it, do they molester it etc etc OR do they love it, care for it, provide for it. We think the child is in a hopeless condition however what we don't know is that, actually, should the child die now or live then die, his resting place will be in heaven.
In my opinion, punishing a baby so as to test the parents of that baby is not the actions of a "all caring all loving" being.
For example if I took out a razor blade and slashed a baby's face to test the parents on how they would deal with raising a physically disfigured child would you call me "all caring all loving"?
Should not Allah/God be held to high moral standard.... he/she/it is after all Allah/God?
He it is Who sent His apostle with guidance and the religion of Truth, that He may prevail it over all other religions, though the polytheists may detest it.
(Al-Qur'an - Chapter 09, Verse 33)
The Religion of Allah will prevail.kuffars like you are indeed LOSERS.
@NYCAustinNYC According to the Prophet (peace be upon him) 999 out of every 1000 humans will be in the hellfire, only 1 will be saved. Some of those will eventually come out; some will remain for eternity. The issue here is what or who caused life, the universe and everything as we know it? Evolution explains variation and similarity in animals and plants, but what created the primordial soup? what caused the lightning? What caused the Quran to exist? Why can't its equal be produced?
You point out about the vastness of history and space because I presume you find it amazing or awesome. Muslims also believe in destiny - there are some people who will die believing and others who will die disbelieving - We have been given senses and rational thought so that we can observe things that are amazing and realise that a causer greater than ourselves must have caused it as we cannot do the same. The miracles given to prophets were a sign to prove the authenticity of their message.
@NYCAustinNYC It's about reward and punishment in the afterlife or in this life for that matter too. You've effectively said "No one will love a disfigured child" how do you know? the people this person in question may encounter the most loving people, the most caring, he/she may go on to even greater things, become an ambassador.
Life is heaven for the unbelievers. It's the only I can make sense of it for you.
I am sorry for not being clear. What I meant to say was that it is not easy being deaf, blind, or disfigured and that it is not "caring" or "just" to give a baby these handicaps in order to test the parents to see if they will still love their baby.
I am an unbeliever... and I do not consider life for me or anyone I know as heaven. On the contrary life is hard and very unfair. :-)
I would love to go to a real heaven. I just doubt it exists.
@NYCAustinNYC It's great you doubt and do not outright disbelieve. I know it sounds hard to understand these mishaps in life but the truth is, judgement day will not be wedding cakes and parties. Imagine yourself, now zoom out 300 trillion times, that's how insignificant human's are but more importantly life is.
What i'm trying to say is, i know God exists and there is a heaven and hell. Not everyone will go to hell should stay in hell (did you know that?). It's more interesting than you think.
Imagine the history of Islam, now zoom out 300 trillion times that into the past of this planet and the vastness of space, that's how insignificant Islam is but more importantly how any one religion is. ;)
By most criteria I am a moral person... how long or how many years do you think is just for me to burn in hell for the sin of not being able to believe?
@NYCAustinNYC look at what your denying god of creating; the universe, our solar system, earth, sun, earth's tilted axis (so we can have 4 seasons), light's speed's consistency, your being, animals, plants for us for oxygen. You've taken something like space (so vast), you cannot explain what happened before it, yet your perfectly fine in accepting that you don't care how it started just that it did start. Islam isn't a religion (made up word), it's simply, something you are or deviate from.
I find the Quran and for that matter the Bible small and petty as compared to the vastness of natural history, the vastness of human history, and the vastness of space. On this issue this is my opinion which I know is very different from yours.
"Islam isn't a religion (made up word), it's simply, something you are or deviate from."
LOL. Everyone says that, in one shape or another, about their own belief system. :-)
@NYCAustinNYC when i said that, i meant the Qu'ran is itself, no and bible..just Qu'ran. The truth is, you're right, religion is faith, however islam is faith (in a sense it's more like a big waiting line for the checking till).
@NYCAustinNYC It is not for us to judge Allah or punish him or reward him. The concept of God in Islam is not like the ancient Greek one. The True God is beyond harm and we cannot benefit him in anyway either. We can 'logically' link the evidence to conclude He exists. Once we admit this then we need but follow His commands. Who has more right to be followed? The one who is weak, limited and needy or the one who needs nothing, is beyond harm and is unlimited in every way?
If the Quran was perfect as originally written by Allah then the Quran would not have needed the complaint of this woman in order to change it from what it was originally and make it more perfect?
I have a feeling we will never agree about this... which is fine.
Thank you for being polite and not attacking me with random insults as so many Muslims before you have. :-)
@NYCAustinNYC No problem we are all family. True it would have not needed the complaint of the woman, but it gives it foundations, it shows how creation can interact with the creator, it's not just call and no answer.
@zixerqwert sheikh hamza actually mentioned this Hadees for some other reason to show how Islam has the rights for women.Actually Quran is very clear about the rights of women since very begining of the revealations.shiekh hamza mentioned a Hadees but it might not be authentic.verses about wars were revealed too muslims were asking for the permission and they were praying for it.it doesn't mean those verses should be sent before that.Allah has indeed knowledge over all things.
Well that doesn't prove that Quran is not Allah's words, your reason is brittle..
Quran is from God, no doubt at all, please refer to thousand of videos explaining this,
But then i can't found thousands of videos explaining that the bible you are using nowadays really is genuinely from God.. in fact, so many videos (with perfectly sane reasons) are telling us the other way round...
you should ask yourself, why are they so many type, or version of bible, God made many copies or versions on it?
This video title is definitely of ill-intent & very misleading.
Where does the statement of Sheikh Hamza Yusuf suggests the Al-Quran is NOT the word of God? There are other clear evidence the Al-Quran had not prohibited the consumption of liquor until some Muslims became intoxicated and recited Quranic verses wrongly during prayers. Prohibition of liquor in the Al-Quran was after this incident.
The complete revelation of the Al-Quran within 23 years was a gradual process and well refined.
@sharartie what BS answer. muhammed was making up this koran from a male viewpoint. but as soon as a woman complained, he started giving verses that included women as well. thats why we know that the koran was made up by muhammed.
@sharartie so we are back to looking at whats in the koran and hadith again. so when you have the early parts of the koran mentioning only males and the later parts mentioning females also after complaints from females you know something is wrong with either allah, muhammed, or koran. take your pick, anyone of those will invalidate islam.
@desiguy55 there are continuous hadith and there are single reference hadith. continuous hadith are reported by many of the companions which are confirm. while the others are not reliable. just like theres no reliable source of identifying the real reason behind sunni shia conflict.
@sharartie "Some people of Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet asked them to go to the herd of Milch camels and to drink their urine as a medicine, after which they got well."
- Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, #234.
Urine is toxic, metabolic waste. It's not good for the body and that is why the body disposes of it. The only reports that say it is good are half-assed Saudi ones from shady universities like King Abdulaziz..
Go ahead and drink camel piss if it makes you feel better, though.
The false-prophet and his charlatans fooled too many idiots.
All Muslims are on the correct spiritual path..., in their declaration of faith in God Almighty & in acknowledgement of His Messenger. However, not all Muslims are good, pious or practicing Muslims.
Sitting for an examination without studying..., would not ensure one's success in passing the exam. But NOT sitting at all for an examination, then one is 'less' than a failure. And life is a TEST.
Actually.., non-Muslims are lost or spiritually void creatures. Pity.
@surecorrect The only ones who deserve pity are Muslims - lost to the lies of a paedophile false-prophet who promises male Muslims a carnal "paradise" of loose and lascivious temptations of Houri virgins in exchange for their Earthly lives - their only phase of awareness and consciousness - to his empire-building nonsense. That carnal paradise (Surah 78:33) is what dooms Islam to the status of a false religion, to a false god that needs to test its
Ignorant people
thththtg 1 month ago
What you fooled 'Kuffar' should know is Quran verses were already revealed even before prophet Muhammad generation and only the time is coming awaiting the Quran to be heard by man.
anuar5609 1 month ago
What so weird about understanding 'Quran has been changed by a woman' (if that so what it is all about) because in other hand Zayd name (adopted son of prophet Muhammad) was also mentioned in Quran and this does not mean Quran has been changed by Zayd? Why you all such a fool think that god cannot talk direcly to a man if He mean to do so? Don't you think a man is one of god creation?
anuar5609 1 month ago
You peoples don't get fooled. Quran never been changed by anybody. It is the words of god that come in a specific time (the time where the generation of prophet Muhammad). Why? Because that generation is the best among the others, and that was told by god Himself. Many verses in Quran were revealed step by step according to what happen at that time so that peoples at that time know what is all mean by those verse, and the verses covered all aspect of our life amazingly until now.
anuar5609 1 month ago
You peoples don't get fooled. Quran never been changed by anybody. It is the words of god that come in a specific time (the time where the generation of prophet Muhammad). Why? Because that generation is the best among the others, and that was told by god Himself. Many verses in Quran were revealed s
anuar5609 1 month ago
@anuar5609
1. The Quran is a silly, immoral, and horribly written book.
2. There is no reason to believe that the Quran that is around today is the same as recited by Muhammad.
Still it would seem that you are convinced of your fairytale of choice... so there is no point trying to reason with you.
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
I've never heard the story of that woman before but I'll tell you what though,the word"man"is mentioned in quran the same times as the word " woman" each is mentioned 24 time.
EgyaboveAll 1 month ago
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lol post the complete video of that, then let us judge and answer ur silly question ! :)
nior712 1 month ago
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nior712 1 month ago
troll video?
onder1188 1 month ago
@onder1188
Nope, not a troll video.
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
The challenge in the Quran is not to any individual person, The Quran says that you can bring all your helpers from the humans and the jinns to write one verse (this can be as short as a few words) similar to the Quran. And God says that if the whole world were to collaborate together they would not be able to. The point being if you claim that a human such as Mohammed wrote the Quran, then it should be possible for other humans to write something similar. If so they would show it to the world!
ecosaracen 2 months ago
@ecosaracen
I found the Quran a horribly written work of literature. Therefore I can think of many other works that are far superior to the Quran.
In regards to similarity the Bible and the Book of Mormon are fairly similar to the Quran.
Lets say I wrote a term paper back in university, which I did. I challenge anyone to write a term paper simulair to mine. This Quranic challenge is meaningless.
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
If writing a poem in Korean like Songs of the Flying Dragon will make you become Muslim, then I will learn Korean or ask Korean friends to help me do so. Do we have a deal?
ecosaracen 2 months ago
@ecosaracen
:-) . Before we agree, how many years do you estimate that it will take you before you can attempt to write a poem such as Songs of the Flying Dragon in Korean?
In fairness the challenge had nothing to do with me becoming a Muslim. The deal would therefore have to be that you would study Korean and attempt to write a poem like Songs of the Flying Dragon and I would study Arabic and try to write something like the Quran.
NYCAustinNYC 2 months ago
@ecosaracen
Sorry, this would not be enough for me to become a Muslim.
If I could write a book similar to the Quran would you stop being a Muslim?
Let’s say I was able to produce a book that I thought was similar to the Quran. Who do you think should judge if it is similar or not?
Given that you are a Muslim, I would argue your opinion is too biased. We would need a non-Muslim to judge. Do you agree?
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
@NYCAustinNYC The perfection of the book, along with its linguistic prowess (obviously perceivable only by scholars of the language) is what makes it unique. As an example, its factual correctness is astounding, especially for something in existence for almost 1500 years. It describes the nature of the ocean (the Prophet never saw the sea in his life) with such detail that has only become apparent through science recently.
Highflyer126 1 month ago
@Highflyer126
Muhammad lived in Mecca, one of the key trading cities of the time. Could not have Muhammad learned from traders that sailed the ocean?
I really do not know what to make of the high esteem that Muslims hold the Quran. I have read it, and found it a silly, repetitive, and badly written.
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
@NYCAustinNYC Yes I would stop being a Muslim. It says in the Quran that it is impossible. If anyone were able to do so, it would mean the Quran is unrue; I would not follow something that was proven to be untrue. There are criteria about how to judge. I agree judgesshould independent. It should be apparant that they are similar in quality say like people are saying Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey are similar, and not like comparing 'Lord of the Rings' to 'Peter Pan'.
ecosaracen 3 weeks ago
@ecosaracen
Well... honestly... I am not about to dedicate 5 years of life learning Classical Arabic so that I could attempt to write a book similar to the Quran ... especially when I guess it would be dismissed out of hand by Muslims because of the confirmation bias that no book can be similar to the Quran so therefore it is impossible that I could have accomplished it, even if I did.
Side Question : How does the Book of Mormon compare to book that is similar to the Quran?
NYCAustinNYC 3 weeks ago
Allah u Akbar
mocozjeF 2 months ago
@mocozjeF
لا إله الا وحش الاسباجيتى الطائر
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
@NYCAustinNYC Wait till you die and you ll check the truth :) enjoy
mocozjeF 1 month ago
@mocozjeF
Cool.
Who knows {NO ONE DOES :P } maybe life is a test of if one is gullible enough to believe is stuff as silly as the Quran or the Bible.
In that case I'll go to heaven and you will go to hell. :P
I am curious, what do you think should be done to me in hell when I go there?
How long should I stay there? Forever?
NYCAustinNYC 1 month ago
the fact this msg is exracted, i still disagree with hamza yusuf's lame argument. such thing was never the case. anytime God mentions or refrences men, depending on what is being said, its usually refers to women as well. his argument that until after women started complaining about male being mentioned often is fake scholaship
11z9az 2 months ago
lol xD this is stupidest conclusion i ever heared
quran didnt came as 1 book ,it came aya by aya ,so the quran still wasnt completed at these days ,and jibrael still was coming to mohammed sending him the massage of what god saying ,to tell his people god massages
, mohammed is just a massanger for allah (god)
ineedhack2 3 months ago
@ineedhack2
Hmmm... thank you for sharing. :-)
NYCAustinNYC 3 months ago
@ineedhack2 Muhammad is a FALSE PROPHET ! Your right a massager of wives he steals from other men !
Amrruk 1 month ago
the message within what Sheykh Hamzah says here: God acknowledges His servants.
nithaarahmed 4 months ago
@nithaarahmed Very good said brother!
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
this guy wasen't alive 600 years ago how does he know
maaz322 4 months ago
@maaz322
This guy is an Islamic scholar and a Muslim.
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC This nothing new, Moses people complained about things and God answered. God is perfect dont matter what people think at that time, He already knows the question is gonna come. So I dont see your point?!
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
@TheFalconXSoko
If God is perfect then it follows that God's main message to humanity such as the Quran and the Bible should be perfect.
The Quran and the Bible are not perfect so therefore God is not perfect.
Therefore there is no God as is believed to exist by Muslims, Christians, and Jews.
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Prove there is no God, God knows your atheist have been trying that for decades, I dont see you proving anything. Logic says: You dont exist if not created. So prove me you came out of thin air?! Quran is perfect, the bible is not!
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
@FS
1. Can you prove there are no giraffes in Antarctica?
That there is a God is the positive claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you not me.
2. Well the first intellectual Atheists have been around at least since Ancient Greece... so that would be centuries. Hmm... about a thousand years before Muhammad and about 500 years before Jesus.
3. I thought you believe God created everything out of "thin air"? Evolution is not like that.
4. I found the Quran a very imperfect book.
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC To go thru your pointless list is with no sense, since you dont believe in Quran, so I ask you again, Just prove me that there is no God, that is to be nice to you, so I make it easy for you! Prove to me there is no God, mate! Im here, everything you said till now is just mambo jambo... I need fact and proof, not what you think of Quran or how long there have been non-believers! We already know about the non-believers. Now show me there is no God!
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
@TheFalconXSoko
1. Can you prove to me that there is a God?
2. Can you prove to me that if there is a God then the God represented in the Quran is this one God?
3. Do you understand what the phrase "burden of proof" and "positive claim" means?
4. Please answer : I thought you believe God created everything out of "thin air"?
Bye until late, got to go.
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Whats happening, mate? You couldnt deliver proof??? Im very disapointed, you cost me good 30 min for nothiing, here I was almost "believeing" a atheists could prove something they never have never will.... Very disapointed at you...No Im not, you got nothing... Have a very good night/day whatever time is over there! May you one day find God inside you! Ma sellam fellow human!
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
@TheFalconXSoko
My "pointless list" :
I cannot prove there are no giraffes in Antarctica in the same way I cannot prove there is no God.
As negative statements I can offer indications like Antarctica is too cold to allow giraffes to live there, but I cannot prove it.
I can prove, the positive statement, that giraffes do live in Africa.
Yet, since God exists outside of the natural world, the positive statement that God does exist also cannot be proved.
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Do you understand this?
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC "Yet, since God exists outside of the natural world, the positive statement that God does exist also cannot be proved." Well then you're subscribing to the old, out-dated, extinct Logical Positivism of Empiricists such as AJ Ayers. This has been refuted ad nausea my friend. Visit ActualEvidencedotcom, go to the articles section, and read the article: "Can We Reason About Things Outside the Universe?" I would be interested in your thoughts.
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege I shouldn't say it is extinct, since the likes of Dawkins have revived it. However, reviving a philosophical framework that has been refuted ad nausea really does not help one's case.
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@TheFalconXSoko
If what I wrote before in regards to proof that there is no God as represented in the Quran was not sufficient I thought of another way to explain it to you:
Consider the Hindu God Vishnu. When it comes to Vishnu you are also an Atheist, right? You do not believe Vishnu exists.
Yet it is impossible for anyone to prove that there is no God Vishnu.
The same logic aplies to the claim that Jesus is God. On this we are both Atheists. Yet proving Jesus is not God....
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Listen man, you got no case. You have two choices, either you believe there is a Creator to all this or not. But proving there is no God to us who believe is pointless and you know it deep down.. I mean all this, vishna stuff, jesus stuff not being good, sure I dont believe in them being gods, but I do believe in Allah. You on the other hand dont believe there is a God in anyway! I think our discussion has reasched its end. I wish you the best! Bye
TheFalconXSoko 4 months ago
@TheFalconXSoko
LOL... I have just spent the last few comments trying to explain why proving there is no God is impossible... OF COURSE I KNOW IT IS POINTLESS!!! :-)
What can be done is too show why a given version of God, like the one protrayed in the Quran, is unlikely to exist. This is what I have tried to address with this video.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. ..." - SR
Anyway, thank you for stopping bye. Goodbye.
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Well clearly your understanding of the concept of God portrayed by the Qur'an is highly misinformed and thus, faulty. Firstly, your argument in this video is based upon a baseless presupposition: that the Qur'an cannot be from God, if God positively responds to a woman's complaint via including men AND women in all subsequent revelations. Look into the history of the Qur'an's alleged revelation - the same is true for many events including warfare. [cont
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege For years, the early Muslims were persecuted visciously by the Pagan Arabs. Many had complained of not recieving a revelation that permitted them to fight back. However, once certain conditions were met, the Prophet allegedly received a revelation finally permitting the Muslims to respond militarily. Here, we see another case where the nature of revelation shifted in response to the condition of the Prophet and his people (i.e. the initial recipients). CONT
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege The same is true in the case of the woman's complaint. I fail to see what the problem is. God interacts with humans, in Islamic theology, and consistently so via His Will which governs the laws of the universe. Often times, a revelation or God's interaction with humans varies based on the conditions we are faced with. At times, in order for humans to better internalize a revelation, God first Wills [cont
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege them to experience a situation which will emphasize the point of a verse (ex. the woman's complaint signified the presence of women amongst men, and the importance of being proactive; afterwhich a revelation corresponding to this emphasis was revealed). With Peace!
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege I should emphasize that this was the case for the Qur'an over the 23 year period of its gradual revelation.
EnjoiningKnowlege 2 months ago
FELLOW CHRISTIANS, I HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF READING RECENTLY AND DISCOVERED THAT THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD IS THAT WE FOLLOW JESUS NOT ONLY IN FAITH BUT IN 'DEED' (ie. ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE WRITTEN LAW). IT CLEARLY STATES THAT BELIEVING IN HIS WAY MEANS ACTUALLY PRACTICING THE LAW. IT CATEGORICALLY STATES THAT THOSE WHO FALL AWAY AFTER HEARING THE TRUTH WILL NOT BE CALLED TO REPENT A 2ND TIME. READ HEBREWS THOROUGHLY AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING FAITH IN A FALSE GOSPEL. BLESSINGS
nevernextdoor1 4 months ago
@nevernextdoor1
So are you planning to follow Jesus's lead yourself and sell off all possesions and give it to the poor?
NYCAustinNYC 4 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC I hear ya, didn't mean it in a judgemental way, just meant to tell those who think it's enough just to believe in him without turning away from sin (thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners) etc. will find it a more difficult path. Of course we're all not worthy, but I just had a sudden panic for those Christians that have fallen into a spiritual slumber (as I did), and have committed sin consciously because they held a false belief that it isn't right but it's ok.
nevernextdoor1 4 months ago
That is the speaker's opinion.Allah knows what to send down when.
mfrmfr05 5 months ago
It is reported from Al-Fudayl (b. ‘Ayyaad) that he said:
The Qur’aan was sent down to be acted upon but people have taken just reciting it as enough of a deed.
He was asked, “How is it acted upon?“
He replied, They should treat as halaal what it makes halaal and treat as haraam what it makes haraam, they should take on its commandments and stay away from what it forbids, and they should stop to ponder its amazing knowledge and wisdom.
Al-Khateeb, Iqtidaa` Al-‘Ilm Al-‘Amal no. 116
AbuKhalilah 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Why do you want to attack Islam specifically? If you really want to prove Islam is not the Truth, just organise your anti Islam friends to write one chapter equal to the Quran and bring it in front of the world. If you can do that then you will have proven that the Quran is not the word of God scientifically. Until then millions will continue to believe in the Quran and its miracles. You can search for videos by ex Christian priest Yusuf Estes or Mr Zakir Nayek for details.
ecosaracen 5 months ago
@ecosaracen
"Why do you want to attack Islam specifically?"
It is my little response to 9/11, the reaction to the Danish Cartoons, and the various horrible things that are done around the world on almost a daily basis in the name of Islam.
"write one chapter equal to the Quran and bring it in front of the world."
I do not know Classical Arabic, so this is not an option for me.
What do you mean by "equal to"?
For example I prefer the writings of Shakespeare to Muhammad.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC The challenge allows you to bring 'all your helpers from the humans and the Jinn to assist you...' .
As for what does equal to mean, It means that literary critics will agree that the verses you write are equal in quality to the Quran in terms of
1. correct use of Arabic grammar
2. beauty in recitation,
3. the same style
4. to have meaning that is not nonsense and does not contradict reality (i.e. is not lies or fiction).
The Quran says that you won't be able to do it!
ecosaracen 5 months ago
@ecos
While I can read and write English, Korean, and Chinese; I cannot read or write Arabic... let alone the Classical Arabic that the Quran is written in.
Side Note : the vast majority of Muslims alive today also cannot read and write Classical Arabic. Right?
In any case because I cannot read or write Classical Arabic this "challenge" strikes me as useless.
For example what would you say if I challenged you to create a poem like "Songs of Flying Dragons"? It is a great Korean poem.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC WE believe that the first person to claim a thing belongs to them should be believed, if the second person claims the first is wrong, he is required to prove his claim. The Quran claims that it is the word of God, so those who claim it is not should prove it is not. Like a scientific hypothesis, the Quran provides a fair test to disprove the claim that it was written by God. If it was not written by God, then it must have been written by man or Jinn, so let them show they can again
ecosaracen 5 months ago
@ecos
In science it is those that make the positive claim that have the burden of proof.
In this case:
Negative claim = the Quran is not written by God
Positive claim = the Quran is written by God
Therefore I hold that burden of proof is yours.
That bit about who ever claims something first should be believed more strikes me as illogical nonsense.
From what I know of history, Muhammad alone wrote the basis of what became the Quran, then this was changed by others when it was finalized.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
How funny the person who uploaded doesn't want people to hear Hamza Yusuf for more than a second but anyone can youtube "Hamza Yusuf" and listen to him more
amatulla1 5 months ago
information is not knowledge unless you understand it. Anyway with regards to the Quran all the verses that were ever revealed is still in the Quran unchanged. The Quranic verses was sent at once one night of Ramadan to the lowest heaven then it was revealed over the 23 years to the prophet and answered the questions that arose during the times.
amatulla1 5 months ago
@amatulla1
"Quran all the verses that were ever revealed is still in the Quran unchanged"
I know this is something that Muslims like to tell themselves... but given that there was no written version of the Quran in Muhamad's life this claim is most likely false.
"questions that arose during the times."
Yes, and because the Quran deals with the personal problems of Muhamad rather then enternal truths is one of the main reasons why I find the Quran a silly book.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC We don't tell ourselves we known it and we get our facts from authentic sources and it's well recorded and agreed by all scholars including non Muslims. Quran was revealed to unlettered prophet and people were illiterate and the method of passing on information is through memorization. It's well known that Quran was memorized not only by the prophet when it was revealed over 23 years but by hundereds of his companions and it's an oral tradition to this day millions memorize it
amatulla1 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Also The Quranic verses were still written though it was memorized my hundreds of prophet's companions and when they realised that the companions are dying and also there is a need for it to be written down as the Muslisms are expanded all the verses were brought to gather and written in one book with copy and sent to the expanding Muslim lands. There is no doubt in this. It seems you don't doubt you lack knowledge, interest or understanding.
amatulla1 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Islam is an illogical religion. If they claim Jesus is a prohet of God and his life was about tolerance and acceptance, then why would God send another prophet (Mohammed) to teach otherwise? God cannot be for and against the same human mentality simultaneously.
Jesus accepted women as powerful, not property.
Jesus said to 'forgive others' sins'
Jesus never recommended the stoning of adulterers - rather forgiveness and amend your life.
Bright Blessings in Christ to all
mosihasteen 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
False the Quran was written down in his life time in different format like on the bark of wood or leaf , the Muhammad would have some write it down , you have to do more reading i dont know where right now I just wanted to make a quick point on that .
AbuKhalilah 5 months ago
@AbuKhalilah
"bark of wood or leaf" LOL... please take a second and think about what you write before you regurgitate mindless dogma / propaganda.
Again, in the day of Muhammad there was most likely no written form of the Quran.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
ok for augment sake how long did it take for the words of Jesus (AS) to be put in written form same of the scholars of christian say maybe 100 to 300 yr, and the Koran was memorize word for word and finally put in written form about 2 yrs by the order of the Caliph Abu Bakr , or we have 2yr gap for mistakes and you have 100 to 300 yr gap , now that is LOL , that is why I left that dogma religion call you just have to believe that 3 in 1 crap of falsehood , Allah is one God not 3
AbuKhalilah 5 months ago
@A
1. I am not a Christian.
2. Yes it was about 100 to 300 years from the death of Jesus for the Bible to be finished.
3. Bakr created HIS copy of the Quran. But the Quran that is in use today was created by Caliph Uthman ibn Affan in 650. Then all the other versions of the Quran were burned. So therefore it is a 28 year gap.
Yes this 28 years is A LOT better then what it is for the Bible, but it is still a gap. In this gap the Quran could have been changed from what Muhammad had said.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
Other historians have argued that the version of the Quran that Caliph Uthman ibn Affan is not the final version and the gap between Muhammad's death and the final version of the Quran is more like 100 years.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
why is the rest of the video not shown?
Patho121 5 months ago
@Patho121
Click on "Show More" and see the info box for the entire video.
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The entire debate is around an hour long, that is why I did not post the entire thing.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC its hopeless discussing with you.
dont you pay taxes now? is this system then corrupt?
islam forbids killing women and children, AND EVEN if the enemy says the shahada because he fears that the muslims kill him, then killing him is forbidden! because only allah is the judge.
so where is all your proof? i can give you proof for my sayings. can you?
JackInTheBox099 5 months ago
@JackInTheBox099
"dont you pay taxes now?"
You live in Germany, correct?
You pay taxes in Germany... so therefore you would see nothing wrong with paying an additional high Muslim tax because you are a Muslim?
"islam forbids killing women and children"
The Quran can and is interpreted that this only refers to Muslim women and children.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC i said PROOF, not something which came from your mind.
no im not turkish. if it was a christian country, they would surely take taxes from muslims. they do take CHURCH tax, which is a percentage i dont remember...
who are you, to interpret the quran? me as a muslim who read the quran, says it is forbidden to kill a single human. wether it was a muslim or non muslim.
dont bother me anymore, i wont write back.
JackInTheBox099 5 months ago
@JackInTheBox099
What do you wish proof of?
Everyone pays the Church tax correct?... it is not a special tax, lets say, for non-Christians?
What would you think about a special tax (lets call it the German-Jizya) on all Muslim Germans that was double the normal taxes?
Who are you tell me that I cannot interpret the Quran?
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@JackInTheBox099
Perchance are you Turkish?
You are aware that modern day Turkey used to be a Christian country... The Eastern Roman Empire?
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
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so? what about christian terrorism in irland? india? NORWAY?? romania? uganda? usa (kkk) ??? the crusades where innocent children and women were killed????????? ISRAEL???
bonz01 6 months ago
This is proof that Allah has given us choice to choose our actions. The Muslims requested that the Qur'an be unisex, and that is what Allah provided because that's what they wanted. And anyway, the Arabic male is inclusive of the female form to begin with, in language that is.
picicorp 6 months ago
0:28 = "If this woman's complaints changed what eventually became the Quran, HOW CAN THE QURAN be the perfect, word for word, message from God (the 1 True Diety)?"
>> Very poor question, showing that the questioner lacks basic thought process skills...
This actually shows the beauty & Amazing nature of God's Final Revelation & Guidance, the Koran. The Creator of this universe changed the style in His Book, because of what ONE (believing) WOMAN said.. * Look @ the care, concern, compassion
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
Can you sense the LOVE, the care & concern for the words of this poor woman (who was wondering why the verses did not explicitly mention women) ... BTW, it is well-known that whatever was referring to the male (men) in the Qur'an, without a doubt > women were implicitly included in such rewards, deeds, etc
But now ~ what kind of Lord, what kind of God (Allah) must this be - who is so compassionate & caring, that He begins to change the style of His Divine Words, for the feelings of 1 woman ;)
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
Now this only adds to the miracle & further proves the Beauty + Perfection of this Final Divine Guidance from God to man.. it is now complete. God in His ultimate knowledge knew that this would occur, He knew that this woman would say this, and He already knew He would change it (out of His mercy) to make His care & concern & love manifest..
And now today, in this PERFECT Book of Guidance, we have dozens of verses mentioning male & female together, men/women side by side in their rewards, etc
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
And AMAZINGLY -- u see, God could've just - from day 1, from the very beginning, in that very male chauvinistic [Arab] civilization - over 1400 years ago - He could've just started sending down Verses mentioning men/women together, side by side.. and this would have of course come as a Surprise to everyone then ..what the hell iz this? "She" & me are same?!! Aghh ...& provoked hatred from others
But NOW, the way it unfolded, we see - a Woman spoke out. She was concerned. And God heard her cry
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
So foolish NYCAustinNYC -- if ur trying to allege that the Quran is NOT the [divine, final] Word of God - because a woman's words had a positive effect or impact on it, -- i.e. that God cared for a woman's concerns and changed His Words for her sake ~ and of course in His Divine Knowledge He knew that this would take place...
then ur messed up!
The Quran PROUDLY declares this fact! eg. Surah 58 was revealed because a woman was mistreated by her hubby! God called it, "the woman who pleaded"
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
So the Quran came to deal with ppl's real life issues, it came to soothe them, to uplift them - NOT to just be some grandious untouchable heavenly words that have no relation to our everyday problems, worries, concerns... God took this woman's worry into account, so what?! That only further proves His Mercy, ♥ and compassion.
In Surah 58 (Mujadilah - the Woman Who Pleaded) --we, to this day, know exactly who that lady was about whom God from above the 7 heavens sent down this Quranic Chapter
abdelbaasit1 6 months ago
nadeem5476 7 months ago
heheheh see the likes and dislikes status and you will know the quality of the material provided in this video .
:)
grow up and get some life :)
nadeem5476 7 months ago
@nadeem5476
heheheh see the likes and dislikes status and you will know the quality of the intellectual honesty of Muslims ... not being very honest with themselves.
:)
What you should have wrote :
grow up and get a life :)
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NYCAustinNYC 7 months ago
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And why did you take it out of context? I hate when people do that!
cbluver22 7 months ago
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That doesn't make sense. The Quran is a revealation send during a period of 23 yrs. God revealed things according to the events happening during the Prophet's life. A whole surah was named after the complaint of a woman regarding her husband's statement. Allah answered her and many other things through a revealtion. So what are you trying to state?
cbluver22 7 months ago
My friend this clip has been taken out of context. This basically was very early on, when most of the verses were directed at the men who were most prominent in that society. It was a wisdom to communicate to the ones that mattered first. The language itself is directed at both men and women.
It was not the plea of the women that altered anything. The apparent convenience here does not prove anything.
MrGrandDragon 7 months ago
ROFL on the sad attempt to discredit Islam, you fail to understand that Islam is the fastest growing religion on the face of the earth and there is no stopping it. the harder you try to bash Islam the more people embrace it for its Purity and Truth.
A sad attempt by an Atheist i guess, its too bad your brain wasn't fully evolved after the billion of years of random events as your prophet richard monkey dawkins call it.
One word for you: STUPID!
Pinkcowdesigns 7 months ago
shaykh hamza yusuf usually himself speaks out of context and many a times puts things in such a modern and fancy way in order to make it easy for a non muslim to accept that a lot of times it actually changes the entire meaning.
AfghanResistance 7 months ago
Dude... I tried to argue .. but.. seriously? this video is so lame and the "Proof" you wish to enlighten muslims with shows your mental capabilities. No wonder I havn't seen much reply from the intellectual side of muslims.. they must be /facepalm'ing at you now lol... seriously dude.. critisicm of a religion only shows your insecurity towards it... you need to grow up and find out theres more to life ;)
ozoneman4 7 months ago 4
@ozoneman4
I hope you grow up one of these days to see how silly it is to believe in an all powerful sky daddy that will torture you for what you had for dinner (ie pork).
NYCAustinNYC 7 months ago
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@NYCAustinNYC
Jesus said "Before Abraham i am" but we know as fact Jesus was born AFTER Abraham. hmm did the bible make a mistake
lol
dont take things outa context. everyone can do it its stupid
siro101 7 months ago
You misinterpreted his statement.
Please do you'r research correctly before jump to careless conclusions.
23DreamProductions23 8 months ago
So question: why did you go through all this trouble to disagree with something? I mean Islam isn't hurting anyone. SOME "followers" from it are...but then again, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Confucians, and Atheists have and continue to hurt people as well. So....why? Instead, why can't you find something awesome that you're really excited about and believe in and be positive and share that with the world? You might find it to be a lot more fulfilling.
Promilicious 8 months ago
@Promilicious
"why..."
Because I honestly see Islam as a horribly destructive belief system that humanity would be benefited by being without.
" Islam isn't hurting anyone"
We disagree
"Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Confucians, and Atheists have and continue to hurt people as well."
Not even close to the magnitude of harm that Muslims inflict upon humanity.
NYCAustinNYC 7 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
so? what about christian terrorism in irland? india? NORWAY?? romania? uganda? usa (kkk) ??? the crusades where innocent children and women were killed????????? ISRAEL???
JackInTheBox099 6 months ago
Again:
Not even close to the magnitude of harm that Muslims inflict upon humanity.
PS
The Crusades were to a large extent just fighting back against the previous aggressive military expansion of Islamic countries. Are you totally ignorant of the Islamic take over of what is now Turkey, Syria, North Africa, Spain, (part of) France and (part of) Italy which happened long before the Crusades?
NYCAustinNYC 6 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC islam was spread with the word, not sword. however, when they conquered afghanistan and persia, the people chosed islam as their religion on their own, but when the arabs left, they did what they used to do before islam. so there was a war when the arabs came back.
moreover, the crusades were killing innocent woman and children, what is more harmful?
i see, its hopeless to discuss to you. .
JackInTheBox099 6 months ago
@JTBox099
Nope, the historical record is clear : Islam was spread with both the word, the sword, and with taxes.
Taxes : Many times non-Muslims tried to convert to Islam in Islamic lands to get out of paying the jizya and were forbidden to convert by Islamic rules because it would too negatively affect tax revenue.
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So you feel Muslim soldiers killing innocent women and children in their pursuit of spreading Islam prior to the Crusades was OK?
Why the double standard?
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
This by the way happened during the time the prophet was alive so when they women complained, the prophet asked Allah for a surah that had women involved. This video is taken out of content to make islam look bad and once again it has failed.
AllahKingOfUniverse 8 months ago 10
@AllahKingOfUniverse
"taken out of content"? Maybe you mean "context"?
LOL ;) .... yes this is a cheap shot at you. :-)
If you choose to ignore simple logic so that you can blindly follow your beliefs that is your right.
"One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make it drink."
I hope your Islam tinted world serves you well. Hmmm... I guess ignorance is bliss?
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC Sorry about me mispelling context I did not check. Anyways, this video is clearly been taken out of context and it is clear. The funny thing about non-muslims and mostly Athiests is that they choose to hate Islam before actually knowing much about it and rely on famous Athiests words to slander Islam. If you want to know about Islam properly then visit a mosque and ask all your questions. Islam is the way and it's not about you respecting my beliefs.
AllahKingOfUniverse 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC It's about you accepting the truth. To you Islam might just be another religion that is living blindly but if that was the case then more people will be leaving Islam rather than joining it since Islam is today and has been since a long time the fastest growing religion in the world and that goes for the U.S and U.K aswell not just the east and Middle-east.
AllahKingOfUniverse 8 months ago
@AllahKingOfUniverse
Islam is just another religion, one of many. That is just a stament of fact. To argue anything else is just silly nonsense.
It is not clear what is the fastest growing religion in the world. It depends on too many things. For example the religion of Wicca has been growing at about 120% per year in the US.
If Islam is growing faster then other religions then it would be by a minuminal amount. Even if it is... so what? Communism was once fast growing.
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
Jesus said "Before Abraham i am" but we know as fact Jesus was born AFTER Abraham. hmm did the bible make a mistake
lol
dont take things outa context. everyone can do it its stupid
siro101 7 months ago
@siro101
1. I am not a Christian so it is not my responsibility to defend the Bible.
2. That said, part of mainstream Christian belief is that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. Therefore Jesus was around before Abraham.
3. This is not so much taken out of context as Yusuf said something that is true about the Quran to defend a prior criticism of Islam that taken by itself opens up a new criticism of Islam which is the content of this video.
NYCAustinNYC 7 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
He has a habit of simplifying things to appeal to the wider audience so they can understand easily. What he said can be easily taken as something else so I don't fault you on this blunder. I wish you could ask him personal to elaborate more because this man is indeed a very renown intellectual in America with regards to Islam and Philosophy...
I know for a fact he would never accept your spin on his words. For an atheist this is very shallow
MrGrandDragon 7 months ago
@AllahKingOfUniverse Islam makes Islam look bad, they need no help from strangers.
44warjunkie 5 months ago
@44warjunkie No.
AllahKingOfUniverse 5 months ago
@AllahKingOfUniverse Certainly didn't fail. It merely points out yet another ridiculous tenet of religion. Why did the previous verses not get changed then? They were OK without women in, but god decided to make the authors change only from then on? Can you not see how ridiculous this sounds to an outsider. When you have heard it all from birth, then I guess you just blindly accept it. I would love religion banned completely for 2 generations, then see how many believers there would be? Hmmmm.
sids500 4 months ago
Allah knows all and is beyond imagination mercifull towards muslims... anyway keep your hatred witch is not brought to you from Allah... we keep our beliefs witch is also a mercy for those who do good ;)
turkmuslim4ever 9 months ago
Misunderstanding of you sir, turned to be a proof on us? How does that even make sense? The Quran did not change at all . And the consept of using the "male" talk is a common thing in all languages, even in English, and it's usually meant to both genders! So please, keep yourself away of Islam, if you hate it, keep your hatred to yourself, but if you want to proof something, study your book, then come to argue.
group15f 9 months ago
NYCAustinNYC 9 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC The second you called me "failure" says a lot about urself. I want to know how Islam affect you? and have you ever read the Quran so you say " a silly thing to believe in" ? I don't think so, and in matter of fact, I don't think it will ever happen. Howevere, the book I'm refering to is whatever religion you parctice.
group15f 9 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC In Islam we have tests, for example. The woman asking the prophet (S.A.W) about female talk, surely this is important. Does it now show that Allah is all caring all loving? she asked and it was sent, to me, that is a miracle and on her behalf should have increased her in faith. If anything, this makes the Quran even better because it shows ALLAH listened to his creation's call. Why is that a bad thing, when allah answers your questions or prayers? it makes it more perfect.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert
"Does it now show that Allah is all caring all loving?"
To me it does not. From my perspective it would better show that Allah is all caring all loving if Allah stopped people being born deaf, blind, and other highly limiting birth defects. Hmm... or how about stop children being born into families where they will eventually be molested by their fathers?
"Why is that a bad thing, when allah answers your questions or prayers?"
It is not a bad thing. :-)
Continued...
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC The topic here is Test. It's very complex. A baby being born blind and deaf and cannot talk or think. The test here is what the parents do with he/she, do they abandon it, do they kill it, do they molester it etc etc OR do they love it, care for it, provide for it. We think the child is in a hopeless condition however what we don't know is that, actually, should the child die now or live then die, his resting place will be in heaven.
the question is, what religion do you choose.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert
In my opinion, punishing a baby so as to test the parents of that baby is not the actions of a "all caring all loving" being.
For example if I took out a razor blade and slashed a baby's face to test the parents on how they would deal with raising a physically disfigured child would you call me "all caring all loving"?
Should not Allah/God be held to high moral standard.... he/she/it is after all Allah/God?
"what religion do you choose"
I choose none.
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC
He it is Who sent His apostle with guidance and the religion of Truth, that He may prevail it over all other religions, though the polytheists may detest it.
(Al-Qur'an - Chapter 09, Verse 33)
The Religion of Allah will prevail.kuffars like you are indeed LOSERS.
BestEverInDaWorld866 8 months ago
@BestEverInDaWorld866
Does it not give you any pause that the vast majority of the humans alive today and.or those that have ever lived are kuffars?
Why do you think I am a loser?
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC According to the Prophet (peace be upon him) 999 out of every 1000 humans will be in the hellfire, only 1 will be saved. Some of those will eventually come out; some will remain for eternity. The issue here is what or who caused life, the universe and everything as we know it? Evolution explains variation and similarity in animals and plants, but what created the primordial soup? what caused the lightning? What caused the Quran to exist? Why can't its equal be produced?
ecosaracen 5 months ago
You point out about the vastness of history and space because I presume you find it amazing or awesome. Muslims also believe in destiny - there are some people who will die believing and others who will die disbelieving - We have been given senses and rational thought so that we can observe things that are amazing and realise that a causer greater than ourselves must have caused it as we cannot do the same. The miracles given to prophets were a sign to prove the authenticity of their message.
ecosaracen 5 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC It's about reward and punishment in the afterlife or in this life for that matter too. You've effectively said "No one will love a disfigured child" how do you know? the people this person in question may encounter the most loving people, the most caring, he/she may go on to even greater things, become an ambassador.
Life is heaven for the unbelievers. It's the only I can make sense of it for you.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert
I am sorry for not being clear. What I meant to say was that it is not easy being deaf, blind, or disfigured and that it is not "caring" or "just" to give a baby these handicaps in order to test the parents to see if they will still love their baby.
I am an unbeliever... and I do not consider life for me or anyone I know as heaven. On the contrary life is hard and very unfair. :-)
I would love to go to a real heaven. I just doubt it exists.
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC It's great you doubt and do not outright disbelieve. I know it sounds hard to understand these mishaps in life but the truth is, judgement day will not be wedding cakes and parties. Imagine yourself, now zoom out 300 trillion times, that's how insignificant human's are but more importantly life is.
What i'm trying to say is, i know God exists and there is a heaven and hell. Not everyone will go to hell should stay in hell (did you know that?). It's more interesting than you think.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert
Imagine the history of Islam, now zoom out 300 trillion times that into the past of this planet and the vastness of space, that's how insignificant Islam is but more importantly how any one religion is. ;)
By most criteria I am a moral person... how long or how many years do you think is just for me to burn in hell for the sin of not being able to believe?
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC look at what your denying god of creating; the universe, our solar system, earth, sun, earth's tilted axis (so we can have 4 seasons), light's speed's consistency, your being, animals, plants for us for oxygen. You've taken something like space (so vast), you cannot explain what happened before it, yet your perfectly fine in accepting that you don't care how it started just that it did start. Islam isn't a religion (made up word), it's simply, something you are or deviate from.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert
I find the Quran and for that matter the Bible small and petty as compared to the vastness of natural history, the vastness of human history, and the vastness of space. On this issue this is my opinion which I know is very different from yours.
"Islam isn't a religion (made up word), it's simply, something you are or deviate from."
LOL. Everyone says that, in one shape or another, about their own belief system. :-)
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC when i said that, i meant the Qu'ran is itself, no and bible..just Qu'ran. The truth is, you're right, religion is faith, however islam is faith (in a sense it's more like a big waiting line for the checking till).
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC It is not for us to judge Allah or punish him or reward him. The concept of God in Islam is not like the ancient Greek one. The True God is beyond harm and we cannot benefit him in anyway either. We can 'logically' link the evidence to conclude He exists. Once we admit this then we need but follow His commands. Who has more right to be followed? The one who is weak, limited and needy or the one who needs nothing, is beyond harm and is unlimited in every way?
ecosaracen 5 months ago
@ecosaracen
I judge Allah. Given what I have read in the Quran and the Bible, I judge Allah as an immoral and schizophrenic child with superpowers.
For example, I have never met an adult human as immoral as Allah/God is protrayed.
How blessed we are that Allah almost defiantly does not exist.
"Who has more right to be followed?"
The one that earns the right not through brute power but rather through proven leadership and moral choices. In other words... not Allah.
NYCAustinNYC 5 months ago
@zixerqwert
"it makes it more perfect."
If the Quran was perfect as originally written by Allah then the Quran would not have needed the complaint of this woman in order to change it from what it was originally and make it more perfect?
I have a feeling we will never agree about this... which is fine.
Thank you for being polite and not attacking me with random insults as so many Muslims before you have. :-)
NYCAustinNYC 8 months ago
@NYCAustinNYC No problem we are all family. True it would have not needed the complaint of the woman, but it gives it foundations, it shows how creation can interact with the creator, it's not just call and no answer.
zixerqwert 8 months ago
@zixerqwert sheikh hamza actually mentioned this Hadees for some other reason to show how Islam has the rights for women.Actually Quran is very clear about the rights of women since very begining of the revealations.shiekh hamza mentioned a Hadees but it might not be authentic.verses about wars were revealed too muslims were asking for the permission and they were praying for it.it doesn't mean those verses should be sent before that.Allah has indeed knowledge over all things.
BestEverInDaWorld866 8 months ago
Whoever seek the truth, with God's will, you shall get it,
Go read the bible, Go read the Quran, you'll know which one is from God, and which one is man-made..
maahadianz 10 months ago
Well that doesn't prove that Quran is not Allah's words, your reason is brittle..
Quran is from God, no doubt at all, please refer to thousand of videos explaining this,
But then i can't found thousands of videos explaining that the bible you are using nowadays really is genuinely from God.. in fact, so many videos (with perfectly sane reasons) are telling us the other way round...
you should ask yourself, why are they so many type, or version of bible, God made many copies or versions on it?
maahadianz 10 months ago
This video title is definitely of ill-intent & very misleading.
Where does the statement of Sheikh Hamza Yusuf suggests the Al-Quran is NOT the word of God? There are other clear evidence the Al-Quran had not prohibited the consumption of liquor until some Muslims became intoxicated and recited Quranic verses wrongly during prayers. Prohibition of liquor in the Al-Quran was after this incident.
The complete revelation of the Al-Quran within 23 years was a gradual process and well refined.
surecorrect 10 months ago
YAWNNNNNN.... try harder!!
joniindo78 10 months ago
what a stupid video, this proves nothing. the Quran IS authentic. period
sharartie 10 months ago
@sharartie what BS answer. muhammed was making up this koran from a male viewpoint. but as soon as a woman complained, he started giving verses that included women as well. thats why we know that the koran was made up by muhammed.
desiguy55 10 months ago
@desiguy55 nope, this doesnt prove anything. i dont trust youtube videos for that matter like you idiots do.
sharartie 10 months ago
@sharartie yes, but you trust you tube videos when these muslim preachers are saying the BS of muhammed.
desiguy55 10 months ago
@desiguy55 only Quran and Hadith is trustable, its not like guru nanik said something and we would believe that BS
sharartie 10 months ago
@sharartie so we are back to looking at whats in the koran and hadith again. so when you have the early parts of the koran mentioning only males and the later parts mentioning females also after complaints from females you know something is wrong with either allah, muhammed, or koran. take your pick, anyone of those will invalidate islam.
desiguy55 10 months ago
@desiguy55 there are continuous hadith and there are single reference hadith. continuous hadith are reported by many of the companions which are confirm. while the others are not reliable. just like theres no reliable source of identifying the real reason behind sunni shia conflict.
sharartie 10 months ago
@sharartie nothing in islam is reliable or authentic. you are getting more reliable info from reading the Wizard of Oz.
desiguy55 10 months ago
@desiguy55 theres no lack of idiots like you in this world. go to your guru nanik for some more stupidity
sharartie 10 months ago
@sharartie So the camel piss as medicine Hadith - is it continuous or single-reference?
It's in the Sahih al-Bukhari, the most authentic of Islamic Hadiths.
PeterKuriakose 10 months ago
@PeterKuriakose No, actually the camel piss is in your mama's p-u-s-s-y
sharartie 10 months ago
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@sharartie "Some people of Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet asked them to go to the herd of Milch camels and to drink their urine as a medicine, after which they got well."
- Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, #234.
The false-prophet's urine medicine worked, LOL!
PeterKuriakose 10 months ago
@PeterKuriakose
What's wrong in drinking urine..? It's good therapy. Take a look here:-
innerself(dot)com/Health/urine.htm
The hadiths is NOT incorrect in suggesting urine consumption for health reasons. Who's laughing now..., huh...!?
surecorrect 10 months ago
@surecorrect HAHAHA!
Yea, go ahead.
Urine is toxic, metabolic waste. It's not good for the body and that is why the body disposes of it. The only reports that say it is good are half-assed Saudi ones from shady universities like King Abdulaziz..
Go ahead and drink camel piss if it makes you feel better, though.
The false-prophet and his charlatans fooled too many idiots.
Muslims are strange animals.
PeterKuriakose 10 months ago
@PeterKuriakose
All Muslims are on the correct spiritual path..., in their declaration of faith in God Almighty & in acknowledgement of His Messenger. However, not all Muslims are good, pious or practicing Muslims.
Sitting for an examination without studying..., would not ensure one's success in passing the exam. But NOT sitting at all for an examination, then one is 'less' than a failure. And life is a TEST.
Actually.., non-Muslims are lost or spiritually void creatures. Pity.
surecorrect 10 months ago
@surecorrect The only ones who deserve pity are Muslims - lost to the lies of a paedophile false-prophet who promises male Muslims a carnal "paradise" of loose and lascivious temptations of Houri virgins in exchange for their Earthly lives - their only phase of awareness and consciousness - to his empire-building nonsense. That carnal paradise (Surah 78:33) is what dooms Islam to the status of a false religion, to a false god that needs to test its