Jesus knows no timeline...there will be two witnesses come to israel just prior to the lord's second coming. they will be men who were translated into heaven without suffering death on earth...Think who they can be, and see if jesus was talking about his second coming which has already happened in his supernatural knowledge. you see, God wants us to think out of the box, and he will show you answers to many mysteries.
Um...Sorry to rain on your parade here buddy. But the rapture comes before Christ returns.Matthew 24:40-41
"Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." Then after the rapture, Christ will descend from heaven and begin the seven year period with a release of satan and all out hell on earth. Read through the entire bible and try not to take things out of context, it is not wise.
@1ightofyahweh Couple this with the parable of the wheat and the tares, and you'll discover that what is "taken" first is the tares to be bundled and burned.
Why are you twisting the Holy scriptures? Baha-ullah was a gentile, not a Jew! Why is it when I had a horrible disease back in 92, the doctors said that there is nothing else we can do. I went to the rabbis, to imams, to Buddhists, to Bahai faith back in Los Angeles (the Bahai Center) and even to witch doctors; but they all took my money and couldn't help me at all! One day I when to a Pentecostal church because I was so desperate; I was prayed for and was healed over night! Explain that!...
This proves that the second coming of christ will be of Merovingian blood, for the Merovingians were of direct bloodline to king david. So whether people like the templars, or think that they are satanic, they know truth, they know the grail. Sure the western world has whored spiritualism for the past several centuries, but I believe this is because even older bloodlines than that of king david, refuse to bow down and have tried to make christ into a myth.
@bigboy45454545 you are very confused, i'm afraid. God is not religious, and hates religion. this is the first thing you need to know. there are many christians, but few believers with the Holy Spirit in then, and regenerated spiritually having the divine nature within them. You never hear of them because we are not of this world, and do not adhere to worldly things. We are out of the picture, so to speak. christianity is a broad term, The new Testament explains all. many pseudo Christians here
As it says "every eye shall see him, even those that pierced him" it becomes clear that "those that pierced him" don't have physical eyes anymore, so this verse can only refer to spiritual vision.
All people, both in this world & the spiritual world, will "see" him. Let those who have "eyes to see" see.
Adamjacob9, When Jesus speaks of Elijah's return through John The Baptist, he was in no way making a connection between that and HIS return. He didn't say anything around the lines of "and the same will happen when I return". It says in Acts 1:11 that the same Jesus that left us ascending to Heaven will return the same way they seen him go. It doesn't say he'll return through birth again. God Bless!
The primary reason that the majority missed the boat with Jesus was that they had expectations built up around the interpretations of the clergy concerning the return of Elijah.
The way Jesus "went" was with rejection & persecution.
Heaven is clearly a spiritual state, & is not a physical place in the sky, as attested by Jesus when he explains that he was in heaven while on earth (John 3:13 KJV)
The Bible explains that the same Elijah would return.
I understand that the people had false expectations built up around the return of Elijah. But, I don't recall Elijah making note of how he would return in his own words. Sp that can be expected. This is why we can expect Jesus to come back the way he said he would; because HE said it. The Bible is very clear that the "way Jesus went" was through being lifted into the Heavens. And Jesus was able to be in Heaven AND on Earth because he is God the Son. God the Father was is in Heaven: Trinity
You're avoiding the fact that the Bible says "Elijah" would return, & instead here comes John the Baptist. Jesus gives us the explanation to understand the concept of return.
Jesus didn't say it, an "angel" did.
The trinity is another matter. If you accept that Babylonian doctrine, there is little hope that you'll even allow yourself to begin to understand the concept of "return"
The word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible, nor does the title "God the Son". References please.
There has been an incredible amount of misinterpretation in this video. I have had, and still have, many Bahai friends that are now Christian because of just simply introducing them to the what the Bible really has to say about these topics.. I would like to have to have the opportunity to discuss this with you adamjacob9..
Nope; wrong. I wouldn't even know how to begin to address your comment; how does one *descend* to Heaven? Is it safe to assume you didn't watch the video? Where are you getting all these ideas from? None of these concerns of yours are teachings of ours, or of the Bibles.
Whatever retard........Ascend, descend. You believe it so it doesn't change the fact that you're delusional. All this 'so called' knowledge coming from a bronze age fairytale book. From a time when people thought leprosy was caused by curses, and live animals were burned on alters......as a treatment. Come on? Aramaic doesn't have the letter "J"..........Know what I'm getting at retard?
Watch the video before you assume to know the content. They say "ignorance is bliss", but the more I read the comments people make on youtube without actually watching the videos, the more I think that ignorance is a chosen & chronic condition. The sad part is that there is such an easy & readily available cure. All one needs to do is take the cotton out of their ears & the wool off of their eyes.
We don't deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. By the way, you misquote that verse. Jesus replies to them "You say that I am", not "you are right..."
What is your point? The title "Son of God" is not synonymous with "God". And the Bible says that Jesus became the "begotten son" on the day of his baptism, and not before. So when Jesus was born physically, it was as the "Son of Man", being the Christ from the line of David through Joseph.
Are you aware that Paul referred to the believers he brought into the faith as his "begotten sons"?
The Bible also declares all believers to become "sons of God", so this verse doesn't deny anyone's inheritance. Jesus Christ was unique in his spiritual Sonship, which he received when he was baptized.
Baha'u'llah is NOT the Son, He is the Everlasting Father seated upon the throne of David (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Right; and then God said "today I have begotten thee". He became God's "only begotten son" at age 30 at his baptism. Romans 1: 3 confirms this explaining that he was "descended from the seed of David according to the flesh (i.e. physically from David), and declared to be son of God according to the Spirit". We can see clearly that he wasn't the literal son of God, but that was a spiritual title.
Dead people dont come back even jesus cant because he died n is burried in kashmir. yes this is true that prophets will keep coming but not those who have passed away.
If Jesus were God in the flesh, why then did God speak to himself after Jesus baptisim. Doesn't make sense. God spoke to Jesus after John the Baptist had baptized him. Why would God tempt himself in the wilderness for 40 days with his own creation. Why did Christ cry out on the cross O Father hast thou forsaken me. Christ shown forth the virtues of god, and brought the message of God for that day and time. It's a new Day brother open your Eyes and Ears
You still FAIL utterly to address Romans 1:3 KJV, where Paul explains that Jesus is "made of the SEED [greek: SPERMA, male sperm] of David according to the flesh"
Luke NEVER claimed that Mary is a descendant of David. The verses you quote just don't say what you'd like them to. Sorry. Take care.
Yes it does, compare the 2 genealogies of Jesus in Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38, and you'll discover that Mary and Joseph were both of the tribe of Judah and descendants of David. Joseph descended through Solomon, the royal but cursed line, while Mary's line was through Solomon's brother Nathan. God Bless
We've addressed this false concept here before, & we'll do it again. Both genealogies are for Joseph, neither for Mary. Mary is of the tribe of Levi, being the cousin of Elizabeth "of the daughters of Aaron". Nowhere in the Bible is there support for your claim that Mary is from the line of David, because she isn't. Luke's genealogy is accurate, as he had access to the archives & did research.
Thank you much for your response Adamjacob9. I appreciate it.. Mary is in David's lineage. In Luke 3, Nathan, son of David...Mattatha was Mary's brother.
Joseph is through Solomon, son of David..
the Bible prophesied of Christ's lineage. This is why the lineages were carefully taken and put down in OLD and NEW. 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Fulfillment of David's throne. Jesus' right to ascend the Jewish throne through blood in Mary and adoption by foster father, Joseph. Promise to Abraham Genesis 26:4.
Thanks for the perfect example of how the only way one can assert Jesus is God is through clever interpolations which always amount to what the verse *implies*. However not 1 verse in the Bible states it explicitly. It begs the question how this rouse has survived so long when theres nothing to support it besides conjecture. This subject often devolves to what he *didn't* say i.e. they called him a blasphemer & he *didn't* deny it. A verse where he *does* say he's God would be more convincing.
JCouraged said "In conclusion, we know that Messiah is God". This is an ABSOLUTE FABRICATION. That has NEVER in the words existence EVER meant 'God'. How convenient to be able to fabricate new definitions for well established concepts to suit ones own hopes and expectations. Please provide us one credible source that provides the "Messiah is God". One doesn't exist. Do you know what Messiah ACTUALLY means? It's a genealogical title; lit. "anointed male descendant of David". See Rm 1:3,4
See Moffatt's translation of this passage for the real first name of this Branch, who is today seated as President of Baha'u'llah's UHJ, the House of the Lord.
That passage refers to the current Branch (persian: ghusn) alive in the world today seated upon the throne of David, which Jesus never sat upon & never can. Jesus never claimed to be the Branch or the Root, which primarily refer to Baha'u'llah & His Son 'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Great Branch.
This is a fascinating tale, but what sources have you used to come to any of these conclusions. Not a word of this comes from the Bible, does it? None of these concepts are scriptural, but part of an elaborate myth that's evolved and passed down through 2 thousand years. Please provide reference for any of this if its at all possible.
Do you believe that Jesus' body of flesh lived before Abraham? If so, you need only look to John 1 for some correction. And if not, then what's the big deal? Of course Jesus existed in the Mind & Plan of God before Abraham was on earth. As did all of the Messengers in His Plan.
Again I ask, do you believe that Jesus' body of flesh existed before Abraham?
This is where you miss the mark. The majority of "Christians" are eating food sacrificed to the idol of their imagination, which is NOT the real Jesus Christ, but is rather the "other Jesus" who Paul warns about. Paul says that the Christians will accept this "other Jesus" and "another gospel" "readily enough". Worshiping a self-made man-god forgives nothing.
Ridiculous! The fulfillment of prophecy isn't unique to Jesus alone. A "miraculous life" is a matter of opinion & is hardly unique. The "resurrection" is proved by the Bible to be NOT physical, & Jesus was not the first according to the Bible. Jesus NEVER "claims to be" God.
Still haven't found one that explicitly states he's God have you? He also said "the father is greater than I" didn't he? He also said "why call me good; none alone is good but the Father only". And "go away Satan; God alone is to be worshiped". And, "noone has seen God". ETC, ETC, ETC. Sorry, but there isn't one verse that claims he IS God, and yet several dozen rebutting he is.
How is it that the most obvious points elude you, & yet even when I point them out you refuse to acknowledge even but one of them? Squint your eyes & look closer at this verse; the pertinent part to pay attention to is: "the *sign* of the Son of Man". The SIGN of the Son of Man could not be the actual son of man could it? This myth you're perpetuating about Jesus' 2nd coming is a mis-interpolation created when people thought heaven was up in the sky. You don't think heaven is in the sky do you?
You're great at quoting verses & not saying anything about your perspective on them. I don't disagree with anything in these verses. You are apparently posting them for some reason, right?
Rev 1:1 states it's the revelation of Jesus Christ "which God gave him"; see? Jesus was given the Revelation by God; meaning God and Jesus are not one in the same. This is consistent throughout. God sent Jesus with a Revelation (message), but this doesn't equal Jesus is God.
Well that's true, of course until he actually returns; then obviously others know, right? It says no one knows the hour "except the father only". Guess what; the 2nd coming, you know, the return of Christ "returns in the glory of the Father" (Mark 8:38) as Jesus said he would. Baha'u'llah, the lit. "Glory of the Father" is the return of Christ. Now you know too :0)
I just noticed this "richbee2be" user spamming the comments like a madman. His fanaticism and anger only makes me more interested in the Baha'i Faith.
This reminds me of what I read from Paris Talks last night: "The brighter the light the darker the shadow." -Abdu'l-Bahá
"Ha ha"? "LOL"? Is there a funny part that you forgot to post?
Apparently you missed the definition this video provided on what the meaning of the word Christ is? No Mohammad couldn't have been the return of Christ, because Christ is a genealogical title that only applies to members of the House of David. In terms of prophecy for the Promised Ones the term is specific to two individuals who would come from the Line of David with Revelations from God. Jesus was the 1st, & Baha'u'llah the 2nd.
Interesting. John the babtist was Jesus flesh and blood cousin. Jesus and John were only different in age by a few months. Also, if John the Baptist IS Elijah (who was caught up to heaven in a firey whirlwind, then John the Baptist is the REINCARNATION of Elijah. Point: John lept in Elizabeths whomb at Mary, the mother of Gods, greeting. Reincarnation, is real.
The problem is, at the coming of Baha'u'llah, the majority were "watching" the physical sky, & not looking to the HEAVEN of prophecy, so they missed Him.
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Hi meaculpa, or should I say Richbee2? You were so clever to create a new user name so you could start trolling this channel again. You almost had me fooled that you were a brand new proselytizing fanatical intolerant evangelist, but then you didn't bring any new material. You said all this under your old username. Yawn.
The apostle Peter, in a discourse dealing with scoffers who attempt to deny the Second Coming of Christ, wrote:
But the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with a fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
The real Jesus Christ will return with his angels and there will be a new Earth, and a new Jerusalem, and all the lying false teachers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire!
Hi meaculpa, or should I say Richbee2? You were so clever to create a new user name so you could start trolling this channel again. You almost had me fooled that you were a brand new proselytizing fanatical intolerant evangelist, but then you didn't bring any new material. You said all this under your old username. Yawn.
Matthew NEVER applies the prophecies of Isaiah 9:6,7 to Jesus. Please provide your references.
The only part of that prophecy that Jesus can fulfill is that he was born & was a son, putting him in the running with half of the human race.
Every other verse in NO WAY applies to Jesus Christ.
The clergy try to get around this by saying that "he will" fulfill those things when he returns. But that's impossible, as someone else sits on David's throne today, & Jesus never did.
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
The Messianic nature of the book of Isaiah is so clear that the oldest Jewish sources, the Targum, Midrash and Talmud, speak of the Messiah in connection with 62 separate verses including Isaiah 9:6. "For unto us," Isaiah foretold, "a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
The Messiah, Isaiah wrote, would be not only the "Prince of Peace," and the "Wonderful Counselor" (NASB), but also "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father."
Why would Isaiah call the Messiah "Mighty God," "Everlasting Father," and "Immanuel," if He was not God?
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
The word translated "begotten" (e.g., KJV; NASB) comes from the Greek word monogenēs: monos, meaning, "alone" or "only" and genos, meaning, "kind" or "type." - "only kind," "unique one," or "one and only." (This verse alone demolishes false pretenders)
Right; he became this "only begotten Son" at his baptism at age 30 not at his birth. "This is my begotten Son with whom I am well pleased; today I have begotten thee".
I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
It helps to know the term: "one and only Son" as in Jn 3:16 Jn 1:18; Hebrews 11:17). Monogenēs is clearly a relational term when Jesus is called the "only begotten," as in, say, John 1:18. Here He is called "unique God" who explains or reveals God the Father (cf. John 14:6-11 ; also Isaiah 6:1 ff. with John 12:40-41) And by knowing the Jesus of scriptures you can look to the one returning.
Thank you for your video. This is so important to the body of Christ, and the Holy Church including RCC's and Protestants, and all Christians including those outside the faith that will be caught sleeping and surprised. May Jesus Christ bless you, and may the Holy Spirit guide you in truth. (jn 16:13-14) Like you said some clergy are not preaching to those sleeping, and sadly, Jesus will return like a thief, and many unbelievers will be surprised.
Rich, thanks again for all your support of this channel. All your comments to it help it rank higher on searches done on the tags attached to it. We're ranking up in the top 10 now for searches done on all these tags, and it's supporters like you that will help us stay there. Thanks again for all you support; keep up the good work.
Rich, we've answered to your comments, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You pitifully rely on Proof by Assertion. You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, but why the daily barrage of posts?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.
Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
That's your answer? So you basically can't account for the contraction between your Jesus-is-God thing and these quotes? "I am ascending to MY GOD to your God?". Your reply is that I'm somehow afraid of the truth? I'm the only one between us that's acknowledging it. Well if you have no answer for me, I guess that makes my point then.
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
Great question dwoodal! I'm sure there are several ways to look at this, but the 1st answer that comes to mind is Jesus failed to meet many (or any) of the expectations of the Messiah. One example is the Apostles came to him and questioned "why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come". The expectation was that 1st Elijah was to return, then the Messiah would appear. He told them Elijah had returned in John the Baptist; just not as they expected. Here too he explains what "return" means.
Could it be that you are really nit picking here and not giving ample evidence to discredit the claims of Muhammad and Baha u llah? Could it be that Jews of Jesus' time were doing the same thing you are doing now?Is it not getting a little old comparing quotes from the Bible that support Baha u llah's claims and quotes that can give someone such as yourself doubt?
Could you please for one moment, with an open heart, do what Jesus said and judge Baha u llah and the Bahai Faith by their "fruits?"
Would Jesus really oppose someone who so desperately wants world peace, the equality of men and women, independent investigaton of the truth, a world government, universal education, elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty, etc? Would Jesus really not want this? Where in the Bible does He oppose these "fruits"?
Rich, if Jesus is in fact God incarnate, ie the Almighty himself, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
1 Tim 3:16-"Great indeed is the mystery of our religion: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory".
It helps if you're quoting directly; so please elaborate again how this verse from Timothy supports your god incarnate doctrine?
We draw conclusions based on what it actually says & consider the ENTIRETY of it. One must also consider Tim2:5 describing Jesus as a mediator between God and man.
Go ahead & take all the liberties you want with the Bible; lying about what it actually says won't make it true. This is a bogus patchwork of verses creatively strung together to mislead the faithful. Tim 3:16 makes no such reference to "the mystery of godliness"; whatever crevice you pulled that from is the mystery; but like I said, feel free to take whatever liberties you feel necessary. John 1 clearly states Jesus came to make God known; you're misrepresenting the reality of what "Logos" is.
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
No, wrong again. When Stephen is being martyred he looks up and sees Jesus and beside him is the "Glory of the Father", therefore we know this "Glory of the Father is separate from Jesus for he sees and identifies them as side by side to one another. But Jesus states it is the Glory of the Father who will return at the end of the age, not himself. (Mark 8:38)
Rich, i think you've mistaken this channel for 1 that will tolerate prejudice, put downs, & intolerance. by all means keep it up; you're one more spamming/insult escapade away from being blocked and having all your comments deleted into oblivion. You aren't commenting on our replies or even engaging in any dialog. now you're just cutting and pasting old comments you've made; have you run out of original thoughts and have to resort to recycling? How sad you don't have anything productive to do.
Richbee, we got this message the first 12 times you cut and pasted into this & 4 other video's comment areas on this channel. It wasn't particularly compelling the first dozen times; what do you hope to accomplish with this type of spamming? Maybe a mass conversion? Do you really think your comments are that critically important that we need them pasted into these comments over and over? How sad you don't have anything productive to do. Maybe ask your man-god Jesus for guidance.
Richbee, we got this message the first 12 times you cut and pasted into this and 4 other video's comment areas on this channel. It wasn't particularly compelling the first dozen times; what do you hope to accomplish with this type of spamming? Maybe a mass conversion? Do you really think your comments are that critically important that we need them pasted into these comments over and over? How sad you don't have anything productive to do. Maybe ask your man-god Jesus for guidance.
Baha'u'llah has come like a thief in the night. Most people missed him, & only now will His Message be proclaimed throughout all nations of the world at this time of the prophesied "fire". Everything being "laid bare" means that all of the corruption is being exposed, that of organized religion, politics etc...
As you are beginning to resort to spamming all of my videos with the same posts, I will begin blocking them if you don't take the time to address the specific points we are responding with.
You can read Paul's explanation of the "other Jesus" that he says the Christians would "submit to" readily enough in 2 Corinth. 11. He explains that the minister of Satan would "transform" themselves into the ministers (clergy) of Christ.
why are you posting these same exact comments on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these attacks? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
why are you posting these same exact comments on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these attacks? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
Rich, it's a shame you can't account for the contradictions we have pointed out in your logic, but instead can only accuse us of being "liars". I would love to see you answer even 1 of the unanswered questions put to your conclusions. Now that your done with your flurry of posts that make clear your beliefs will you go on ignoring any of the questions put to them? I've bothered to give your ideas considerations & asked logical questions; you could extend the common courtesy of answering them.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
Richbee, thanks for your support of our channel. All your commenting here is helping it to post higher on related searches, and assisting it to go viral. Thanks for all your contributions.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
Yes, & he also said "many will come in my name, saying they are the Christ";so Christ will come with a new name, confirmed again by Jesus himself Rev. 3:12.
The word Christ is a genealogical title (see Rm 1:3) and the Bible said two were to come, not one coming twice. Jesus explained what "return" means when he told the apostles who were troubled that Elijah had not 1st returned as the scriptures predicted. Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah. It's the message not the person that returns.
Yes that is correct. I'm thrilled you've been paying attention. Jesus also taught Progressive Revelation: "If you believe in Moses then you should believe in me, for Moses spoke of me". Jesus spoke of both Muhammad and Baha'u'llah as well. Good job Rich, thanks for bringing this up.
That's a big "if" you got there. While you're in the middle of another 15 post tear (did someone say manic?), why don't you quote for us the exact quote where Jesus proclaims to be God please. "I am ascending to MY GOD, to your God".
Rich, why not just post the entire NT for us? These quotes are very useful for everyone who doesn't already have a Bible. We're going to need Matthew 1:1 thru Revelations 22:21. Don't worry about commenting on why they're useful quotes, or how they are germane to the topic; just post them all. Thanks.
Wow, how elegantly put. Please share more of your noble and lofty views. Please tell us of these 2 billion believers who have split into 22K various sects which Jesus approves of most? Is one of these 22K sects more correct about the details than another? Which of these 22K sects is closest to the truth. This is truly fascinating; I've never heard someone try to describe the thousands of fragmenting groups of Christians as "unified". Fascinating stuff; and so elegantly describe. Please go on.
surely you must be joking. you mean the 2 billion christians that have fragmented into 22 thousand sects? by who's deranged definition are they all 'united'? the fact is that there is anything but unity about who he was, or what his return will consist of. by definition with these exaggerations you're the only liar here. judge not!
It's not a "spin", it's the truth. I challenge you to present even ONE instance in the original greek where it says that the is an "end of the world [kosmos]". It says "end of the age [aeon]". So, I'm not "spinning" anything, just explaining what it actually says.
And Heaven IS a place. At the end of the world, when all those left behind at the rapture are judged before God and cast into eternal hell, God will restore the earth to the way it was in the beginning of time. THAT will be Heaven, a PLACE
That's a lovely thought, but it doesn't conform with the scriptures, let alone reality. Jesus didn't say there would be an "end of the world"; thats what so-called Christians with their enormous superiority complexes keep repeating, but what Jesus said was "the end of the age" (aeon in Greek). So, "God will restore the earth", huh? The majority of the western world's population is Christian which makes them responsible. So because they took Jesus into their heart's, he'll fix their mess; why?
According to the parable of the wheat & tares, it is the tares, symbolic of the enemies of God's Cause, which are "taken" first, to be burned. It is the wheat, symbolic of the believers, that is "left behind". So you see, you have it completely backward. Also, there is no "end of the world" according to the Bible. Did you know that?
Actually, there is, with regard to "a new heaven and a new Earth," and the resurrection of the dead which is spoken about in Ezekiel, which unfortunately, Baha'is deny.
Who ever told you that Baha'is deny the resurrections spoken of by Ezekiel. Quite contrary, the resurrection is happening right now!
Come out of the whitewashed tombs you people!
According to the text, there is no statement that the "kosmos" will end, only that the "aeon" or age will end. The "new heaven" & "new earth" are referring to the new Revelation & Teachings which the Return of Christ brings.
You acknowledge a symbolic resurrection. Not a literal one that has been the central tenet of Christianity preached about by the Apostles since the beginning of Christianity. By denying a literal resurrection you contradict yourself when you say "we believe in Resurrection."
I find it funny that you are hen picking the scriptures with a literalist exegesis, yet when it comes to the very soteriology of Christianity, you are so bold to claim it is symbolic in order to nullify Christianity.
Furthermore, the Greeks considered aeon and kosmos to be almost synonymous. The whole point of the conclusion of Revelations is that Christ comes again, ends the age, and starts a new one - one where He reigns over a world that is transformed to the way it was in the beginning - before the Fall of Humanity.
What is spoken about in Ezekiel is a LITERAL resurrection where the dead are reassembled and animated. To interpret it any other way is pure sophism.
That's great man; you go right ahead & preach whatever fantasies you like, but you're crossing the border of sophist yourself with your sweeping statements about how scriptures must be understood. The Jews themselves don't hold to this type of interpretation of Ezekiel, and it's their book. If your intent is to belittle us into belief, you've come to the wrong channel. Please just stick to the facts & leave your little jabbing commentaries out if it. Care to comment on the video's content?
My statements do have to do with the video's content because it has to do with Baha'i christology, which is ultimately what Adam is talking about.
Yet I'm the one who is fantastical because I believe in a literal resurrection (which is what any logical person would gather from reading the text) and I refuse to believe in a contrived symbolic Baha'i meaning to the Gospels.
Because of Ezekiel, modern Jews do believe in a literal resurrection as they are descended from a pharisaical tradition.
Actually, if you believe in the Gospels as you claim, then you should believe in a symbolic meaning to them, as Jesus himself said everything was given in parables, and nothing wasn't. This was to keep certain people out of the Kingdom. Jesus said the flesh was of no avail; Paul said what's sown physical is raised spiritual. Your logic is only logical to someone cherry-picking verses.
BTW, NO Jews believe in these ideas you claim. This is a complete fallacy. Provide but 1 ref. if you can.
Wrong. Go to any synagogue and speak to any rabbi. They will tell you that they believe in a Resurrection on the Last Day if they come from a pharisaical tradition. That's the whole point of the debate between Pharisees and Saducees in the Bible.
Furthermore, Jesus did speak in Parables, but when he spoke to his Disciples, he spoke "plainly." (Jn 10:16) The point is Christians never have believed in a spiritual resurrection. They have always taught that Christ got up on his own two feet.
Wow, you sure do know a lot about EVERYOBODY & "ALWAYS". That's really astounding. So if what your saying about what ALL Christians "ALWAYS" believed is true, why were there debates at the Council of Nicea over whether Christ was "Created" or "Divine", etc? Clearly this *unified Christianity* idea is an exageration.
Your ideas about the Jews & a resurrection aren't exactly accurate, but whatever. No one has a franchise on the truth my friend & you should relax on the definitives articles.
No one has a franchise on truth? Hmm. Pontius Pilate said something similar when Christ acknowledged Himself as the Truth
It is not an exaggeration. The whole point behind the Council was to define who Christ is. But that aspect of christology is not what we are debating atm. We are talking about a literal resurrection of Christ, which if you study Arian theology, they EVEN believed Christ resurrected literally. To argue symbolic resurrection in this light is pure fancy on the part of Baha'is.
Jesus knows no timeline...there will be two witnesses come to israel just prior to the lord's second coming. they will be men who were translated into heaven without suffering death on earth...Think who they can be, and see if jesus was talking about his second coming which has already happened in his supernatural knowledge. you see, God wants us to think out of the box, and he will show you answers to many mysteries.
godwithme777 4 months ago
Um...Sorry to rain on your parade here buddy. But the rapture comes before Christ returns.Matthew 24:40-41
"Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." Then after the rapture, Christ will descend from heaven and begin the seven year period with a release of satan and all out hell on earth. Read through the entire bible and try not to take things out of context, it is not wise.
1ightofyahweh 10 months ago
@1ightofyahweh Couple this with the parable of the wheat and the tares, and you'll discover that what is "taken" first is the tares to be bundled and burned.
adamjacob9 1 month ago
Why are you twisting the Holy scriptures? Baha-ullah was a gentile, not a Jew! Why is it when I had a horrible disease back in 92, the doctors said that there is nothing else we can do. I went to the rabbis, to imams, to Buddhists, to Bahai faith back in Los Angeles (the Bahai Center) and even to witch doctors; but they all took my money and couldn't help me at all! One day I when to a Pentecostal church because I was so desperate; I was prayed for and was healed over night! Explain that!...
IncognitoEsquire 1 year ago
@IncognitoEsquire Congratulations on your healing! Perhaps you went through all of that to strengthen your relationship with God?
adamjacob9 1 month ago
well done, my friend! All these things you have said are very precious for those who are seeking wiht a pure heart!
behrooztolooi 2 years ago
my dearest friends in the faith, these fellos are covenant breakers
fieldstreamjim 2 years ago
hey when I googled baha u llah, the guy was born in the 1800s (late) but was he the real jesus, or an imposter as stated
durondavid 2 years ago
Galations 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed."
1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
This proves that the second coming of christ will be of Merovingian blood, for the Merovingians were of direct bloodline to king david. So whether people like the templars, or think that they are satanic, they know truth, they know the grail. Sure the western world has whored spiritualism for the past several centuries, but I believe this is because even older bloodlines than that of king david, refuse to bow down and have tried to make christ into a myth.
RKSeams 2 years ago
Nice video, it really explained a few things to me =)
iHateThisPost 2 years ago
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thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
Hello Adam
Religious people, including Christians, have active imaginations.
They are fundamentally dishonest with themselves and others, about supernatural claims.
They lack critical thinking skills, which tell them that magic isn't real.
And they are gullible, and less intelligent than their Atheist counterparts.
Sorry, that's what the studies show.
Keep believing in nonsense............Your personal God will bless you for it.
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
@bigboy45454545 you are very confused, i'm afraid. God is not religious, and hates religion. this is the first thing you need to know. there are many christians, but few believers with the Holy Spirit in then, and regenerated spiritually having the divine nature within them. You never hear of them because we are not of this world, and do not adhere to worldly things. We are out of the picture, so to speak. christianity is a broad term, The new Testament explains all. many pseudo Christians here
godwithme777 4 months ago
bluejames,
As it says "every eye shall see him, even those that pierced him" it becomes clear that "those that pierced him" don't have physical eyes anymore, so this verse can only refer to spiritual vision.
All people, both in this world & the spiritual world, will "see" him. Let those who have "eyes to see" see.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Adamjacob9, When Jesus speaks of Elijah's return through John The Baptist, he was in no way making a connection between that and HIS return. He didn't say anything around the lines of "and the same will happen when I return". It says in Acts 1:11 that the same Jesus that left us ascending to Heaven will return the same way they seen him go. It doesn't say he'll return through birth again. God Bless!
dramakazi 2 years ago
drama,
The primary reason that the majority missed the boat with Jesus was that they had expectations built up around the interpretations of the clergy concerning the return of Elijah.
The way Jesus "went" was with rejection & persecution.
Heaven is clearly a spiritual state, & is not a physical place in the sky, as attested by Jesus when he explains that he was in heaven while on earth (John 3:13 KJV)
The Bible explains that the same Elijah would return.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Adam,
I understand that the people had false expectations built up around the return of Elijah. But, I don't recall Elijah making note of how he would return in his own words. Sp that can be expected. This is why we can expect Jesus to come back the way he said he would; because HE said it. The Bible is very clear that the "way Jesus went" was through being lifted into the Heavens. And Jesus was able to be in Heaven AND on Earth because he is God the Son. God the Father was is in Heaven: Trinity
dramakazi 2 years ago
drama,
You're avoiding the fact that the Bible says "Elijah" would return, & instead here comes John the Baptist. Jesus gives us the explanation to understand the concept of return.
Jesus didn't say it, an "angel" did.
The trinity is another matter. If you accept that Babylonian doctrine, there is little hope that you'll even allow yourself to begin to understand the concept of "return"
The word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible, nor does the title "God the Son". References please.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
jake61nyc 2 years ago
There has been an incredible amount of misinterpretation in this video. I have had, and still have, many Bahai friends that are now Christian because of just simply introducing them to the what the Bible really has to say about these topics.. I would like to have to have the opportunity to discuss this with you adamjacob9..
dramakazi 2 years ago
So, when the Lord comes back. 144,000 people that's all. Will descend magically to Heaven.
Everyone else will be 'left behind'. The loving God goes into a killing spree, and kills everyone on the planet. ........And in your life time?
All the Good Christians left behind, still ascend to heaven, after their own murder, in the bloodbath, by the loving God?
And that's the end of existence?
And only the good people who spiritually believe this story, go on further to another existence?......Right??
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
Nope; wrong. I wouldn't even know how to begin to address your comment; how does one *descend* to Heaven? Is it safe to assume you didn't watch the video? Where are you getting all these ideas from? None of these concerns of yours are teachings of ours, or of the Bibles.
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
Whatever retard........Ascend, descend. You believe it so it doesn't change the fact that you're delusional. All this 'so called' knowledge coming from a bronze age fairytale book. From a time when people thought leprosy was caused by curses, and live animals were burned on alters......as a treatment. Come on? Aramaic doesn't have the letter "J"..........Know what I'm getting at retard?
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
Hey there "bigboy", HA!
Watch the video before you assume to know the content. They say "ignorance is bliss", but the more I read the comments people make on youtube without actually watching the videos, the more I think that ignorance is a chosen & chronic condition. The sad part is that there is such an easy & readily available cure. All one needs to do is take the cotton out of their ears & the wool off of their eyes.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Avoid controversial teachings, this man is not thinking about the lost, or the backslider. Nor our Lord's command to love one another.
Avoid a factious man after the 1st and 2nd warning.
Titus 3:9-11
bzenns 2 years ago
Nope, JCouraged, I'm afraid you're incorrect, yet again, on all counts.
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
thank you for bringing this up i thought about this myself.
talleyho12 2 years ago
Nope, wrong again.
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
JCour,
We don't deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. By the way, you misquote that verse. Jesus replies to them "You say that I am", not "you are right..."
What is your point? The title "Son of God" is not synonymous with "God". And the Bible says that Jesus became the "begotten son" on the day of his baptism, and not before. So when Jesus was born physically, it was as the "Son of Man", being the Christ from the line of David through Joseph.
The Return of Christ is Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
JCour,
The phrase translates "unique son"
Are you aware that Paul referred to the believers he brought into the faith as his "begotten sons"?
The Bible also declares all believers to become "sons of God", so this verse doesn't deny anyone's inheritance. Jesus Christ was unique in his spiritual Sonship, which he received when he was baptized.
Baha'u'llah is NOT the Son, He is the Everlasting Father seated upon the throne of David (Isaiah 9:6-7).
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Right; and then God said "today I have begotten thee". He became God's "only begotten son" at age 30 at his baptism. Romans 1: 3 confirms this explaining that he was "descended from the seed of David according to the flesh (i.e. physically from David), and declared to be son of God according to the Spirit". We can see clearly that he wasn't the literal son of God, but that was a spiritual title.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
well spoken. very good *applauds*
warlockboyburns 3 years ago
Matthew 24:23-26
23:Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it."
...
26:"Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it."
If Christ returns as you say, the above is a warning. People will be saying such things, will they not?
Read your Bibles brothers and sisters. Beg for understanding and opened eyes.
taaronemore74 3 years ago
Wrong again.
*yawn*
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Nope, sorry, but you're wrong again.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Dead people dont come back even jesus cant because he died n is burried in kashmir. yes this is true that prophets will keep coming but not those who have passed away.
BRITISHALQAIDA 3 years ago
Read t again jcour. It happened in 1844
ahester862 3 years ago
But We knew the year thanks to the book of Daniel The year was 1844
ahester862 3 years ago
If Jesus were God in the flesh, why then did God speak to himself after Jesus baptisim. Doesn't make sense. God spoke to Jesus after John the Baptist had baptized him. Why would God tempt himself in the wilderness for 40 days with his own creation. Why did Christ cry out on the cross O Father hast thou forsaken me. Christ shown forth the virtues of god, and brought the message of God for that day and time. It's a new Day brother open your Eyes and Ears
ahester862 3 years ago
jcour,
So is Paul twisting the meaning of "seeing" when he explains that he saw Jesus the same as the other apostles had?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
Number 14:34 states that a day is equal to a year, & the Hebrew word for day is Yowm, which Strong's defines in this way:
day, time, year 1. day (as opposed to night) 2. day (24 hour period) 1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
Notice the clarification of "evening" & "morning"
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
You still FAIL utterly to address Romans 1:3 KJV, where Paul explains that Jesus is "made of the SEED [greek: SPERMA, male sperm] of David according to the flesh"
Luke NEVER claimed that Mary is a descendant of David. The verses you quote just don't say what you'd like them to. Sorry. Take care.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Yes it does, compare the 2 genealogies of Jesus in Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38, and you'll discover that Mary and Joseph were both of the tribe of Judah and descendants of David. Joseph descended through Solomon, the royal but cursed line, while Mary's line was through Solomon's brother Nathan. God Bless
dramakazi 2 years ago
drama,
We've addressed this false concept here before, & we'll do it again. Both genealogies are for Joseph, neither for Mary. Mary is of the tribe of Levi, being the cousin of Elizabeth "of the daughters of Aaron". Nowhere in the Bible is there support for your claim that Mary is from the line of David, because she isn't. Luke's genealogy is accurate, as he had access to the archives & did research.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Thank you much for your response Adamjacob9. I appreciate it.. Mary is in David's lineage. In Luke 3, Nathan, son of David...Mattatha was Mary's brother.
Joseph is through Solomon, son of David..
the Bible prophesied of Christ's lineage. This is why the lineages were carefully taken and put down in OLD and NEW. 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Fulfillment of David's throne. Jesus' right to ascend the Jewish throne through blood in Mary and adoption by foster father, Joseph. Promise to Abraham Genesis 26:4.
dramakazi 2 years ago
jcour,
We're not selling anything. All of the info. is free of price. Do with it what you will. You can live with your own choices.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Thanks for the perfect example of how the only way one can assert Jesus is God is through clever interpolations which always amount to what the verse *implies*. However not 1 verse in the Bible states it explicitly. It begs the question how this rouse has survived so long when theres nothing to support it besides conjecture. This subject often devolves to what he *didn't* say i.e. they called him a blasphemer & he *didn't* deny it. A verse where he *does* say he's God would be more convincing.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
JCouraged said "In conclusion, we know that Messiah is God". This is an ABSOLUTE FABRICATION. That has NEVER in the words existence EVER meant 'God'. How convenient to be able to fabricate new definitions for well established concepts to suit ones own hopes and expectations. Please provide us one credible source that provides the "Messiah is God". One doesn't exist. Do you know what Messiah ACTUALLY means? It's a genealogical title; lit. "anointed male descendant of David". See Rm 1:3,4
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
See Moffatt's translation of this passage for the real first name of this Branch, who is today seated as President of Baha'u'llah's UHJ, the House of the Lord.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
That passage refers to the current Branch (persian: ghusn) alive in the world today seated upon the throne of David, which Jesus never sat upon & never can. Jesus never claimed to be the Branch or the Root, which primarily refer to Baha'u'llah & His Son 'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Great Branch.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
This is a fascinating tale, but what sources have you used to come to any of these conclusions. Not a word of this comes from the Bible, does it? None of these concepts are scriptural, but part of an elaborate myth that's evolved and passed down through 2 thousand years. Please provide reference for any of this if its at all possible.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
Do you believe that Jesus' body of flesh lived before Abraham? If so, you need only look to John 1 for some correction. And if not, then what's the big deal? Of course Jesus existed in the Mind & Plan of God before Abraham was on earth. As did all of the Messengers in His Plan.
Again I ask, do you believe that Jesus' body of flesh existed before Abraham?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
This is where you miss the mark. The majority of "Christians" are eating food sacrificed to the idol of their imagination, which is NOT the real Jesus Christ, but is rather the "other Jesus" who Paul warns about. Paul says that the Christians will accept this "other Jesus" and "another gospel" "readily enough". Worshiping a self-made man-god forgives nothing.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
Ridiculous! The fulfillment of prophecy isn't unique to Jesus alone. A "miraculous life" is a matter of opinion & is hardly unique. The "resurrection" is proved by the Bible to be NOT physical, & Jesus was not the first according to the Bible. Jesus NEVER "claims to be" God.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
John 10:30- "I and the Father are one."
Still haven't found one that explicitly states he's God have you? He also said "the father is greater than I" didn't he? He also said "why call me good; none alone is good but the Father only". And "go away Satan; God alone is to be worshiped". And, "noone has seen God". ETC, ETC, ETC. Sorry, but there isn't one verse that claims he IS God, and yet several dozen rebutting he is.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
How is it that the most obvious points elude you, & yet even when I point them out you refuse to acknowledge even but one of them? Squint your eyes & look closer at this verse; the pertinent part to pay attention to is: "the *sign* of the Son of Man". The SIGN of the Son of Man could not be the actual son of man could it? This myth you're perpetuating about Jesus' 2nd coming is a mis-interpolation created when people thought heaven was up in the sky. You don't think heaven is in the sky do you?
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
You're great at quoting verses & not saying anything about your perspective on them. I don't disagree with anything in these verses. You are apparently posting them for some reason, right?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rev 1:1 states it's the revelation of Jesus Christ "which God gave him"; see? Jesus was given the Revelation by God; meaning God and Jesus are not one in the same. This is consistent throughout. God sent Jesus with a Revelation (message), but this doesn't equal Jesus is God.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
Yes, and?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
jcour,
Great verses! Isn't it amazing how many times Baha'u'llah is prophesied of by name all throughout the Bible!
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Well that's true, of course until he actually returns; then obviously others know, right? It says no one knows the hour "except the father only". Guess what; the 2nd coming, you know, the return of Christ "returns in the glory of the Father" (Mark 8:38) as Jesus said he would. Baha'u'llah, the lit. "Glory of the Father" is the return of Christ. Now you know too :0)
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Intriguing video.
I just noticed this "richbee2be" user spamming the comments like a madman. His fanaticism and anger only makes me more interested in the Baha'i Faith.
This reminds me of what I read from Paris Talks last night: "The brighter the light the darker the shadow." -Abdu'l-Bahá
Thank you.
showmelight 3 years ago
Ha ha, so basicly your saying that muhamed could have been the return of christ. LOL
Abuse0matic 3 years ago
"Ha ha"? "LOL"? Is there a funny part that you forgot to post?
Apparently you missed the definition this video provided on what the meaning of the word Christ is? No Mohammad couldn't have been the return of Christ, because Christ is a genealogical title that only applies to members of the House of David. In terms of prophecy for the Promised Ones the term is specific to two individuals who would come from the Line of David with Revelations from God. Jesus was the 1st, & Baha'u'llah the 2nd.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
hoax
Abuse0matic 3 years ago
Christ will never return. This is a hoax so people can adopt the Christian faith. Remember that fear and variables is practice in religion.
DramaticSoul77 3 years ago
There will be no return of Christ, because the bible is not a reliable historical document. It` is unproven that he came in the place. Peace !!
Philos2006 3 years ago
Interesting. John the babtist was Jesus flesh and blood cousin. Jesus and John were only different in age by a few months. Also, if John the Baptist IS Elijah (who was caught up to heaven in a firey whirlwind, then John the Baptist is the REINCARNATION of Elijah. Point: John lept in Elizabeths whomb at Mary, the mother of Gods, greeting. Reincarnation, is real.
Storm7773 3 years ago
Vohn,
They already did. But God is so gracious & merciful, that they're going to get another chance.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Vohn,
The problem is, at the coming of Baha'u'llah, the majority were "watching" the physical sky, & not looking to the HEAVEN of prophecy, so they missed Him.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Hi meaculpa, or should I say Richbee2? You were so clever to create a new user name so you could start trolling this channel again. You almost had me fooled that you were a brand new proselytizing fanatical intolerant evangelist, but then you didn't bring any new material. You said all this under your old username. Yawn.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
The apostle Peter, in a discourse dealing with scoffers who attempt to deny the Second Coming of Christ, wrote:
But the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with a fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
See more: 2 Peter 3:10-13
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
The real Jesus Christ will return with his angels and there will be a new Earth, and a new Jerusalem, and all the lying false teachers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire!
Buh-bye Baha'i
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Richbee2,
I certainly hope for your sake here on Youtube that this is really your last "buh-bye" on this channel.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Hi meaculpa, or should I say Richbee2? You were so clever to create a new user name so you could start trolling this channel again. You almost had me fooled that you were a brand new proselytizing fanatical intolerant evangelist, but then you didn't bring any new material. You said all this under your old username. Yawn.
genraldisarray 3 years ago 2
Who is the King of Kings?
Matthew 2:6
But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will be the shepherd of my people Israel."
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpRICH,
The verse you quote (as usual) doesn't say what you want it to. The word "ruler" does not denote "King of Kings".
adamjacob9 3 years ago
meaculpaRICH,
Matthew NEVER applies the prophecies of Isaiah 9:6,7 to Jesus. Please provide your references.
The only part of that prophecy that Jesus can fulfill is that he was born & was a son, putting him in the running with half of the human race.
Every other verse in NO WAY applies to Jesus Christ.
The clergy try to get around this by saying that "he will" fulfill those things when he returns. But that's impossible, as someone else sits on David's throne today, & Jesus never did.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Adam, why are you deaf and blind to the Glory that Isaiah saw?
John 12:40-41
"He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them."
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him! [Jesus]
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpaRICH,
You really want to go down this road again? Youtube will take seriously a reported spammer with changing screen-names to continue his spam campaign.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
The Messianic nature of the book of Isaiah is so clear that the oldest Jewish sources, the Targum, Midrash and Talmud, speak of the Messiah in connection with 62 separate verses including Isaiah 9:6. "For unto us," Isaiah foretold, "a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
The Messiah, Isaiah wrote, would be not only the "Prince of Peace," and the "Wonderful Counselor" (NASB), but also "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father."
Why would Isaiah call the Messiah "Mighty God," "Everlasting Father," and "Immanuel," if He was not God?
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Luke 12:37-40:
You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Pt. 2 - A little Greek: Ho monogenēs huios
"The only begotten Son"
The word translated "begotten" (e.g., KJV; NASB) comes from the Greek word monogenēs: monos, meaning, "alone" or "only" and genos, meaning, "kind" or "type." - "only kind," "unique one," or "one and only." (This verse alone demolishes false pretenders)
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Right; he became this "only begotten Son" at his baptism at age 30 not at his birth. "This is my begotten Son with whom I am well pleased; today I have begotten thee".
I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
John 3:16
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculp,
We accept the Bible. What is your point. Jesus became the "begotten Son" at age 30 when baptized.
Baha'u'llah is the Everlasting FATHER, not the Son.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Jesus was born as the INCARNATION of God in the flesh - from above - the very meaning of the word.
And, Jesus was born in the TITLE: Everlasting Father, and as the Son of God - the ONLY Son, he had all the rights of the Father.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
It helps to know the term: "one and only Son" as in Jn 3:16 Jn 1:18; Hebrews 11:17). Monogenēs is clearly a relational term when Jesus is called the "only begotten," as in, say, John 1:18. Here He is called "unique God" who explains or reveals God the Father (cf. John 14:6-11 ; also Isaiah 6:1 ff. with John 12:40-41) And by knowing the Jesus of scriptures you can look to the one returning.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Dear Rakshang, why are you shy to relate your feeligs here?
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Thank you for your video. This is so important to the body of Christ, and the Holy Church including RCC's and Protestants, and all Christians including those outside the faith that will be caught sleeping and surprised. May Jesus Christ bless you, and may the Holy Spirit guide you in truth. (jn 16:13-14) Like you said some clergy are not preaching to those sleeping, and sadly, Jesus will return like a thief, and many unbelievers will be surprised.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Rich, thanks again for all your support of this channel. All your comments to it help it rank higher on searches done on the tags attached to it. We're ranking up in the top 10 now for searches done on all these tags, and it's supporters like you that will help us stay there. Thanks again for all you support; keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered to your comments, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You pitifully rely on Proof by Assertion. You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, but why the daily barrage of posts?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Lots of luck with the fundamentalists & fanatics ever present on youtube.
rakshamg 3 years ago
Do not mock God and his Holy Bible.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.
Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
That last post was for rakshame.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago 2
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Calm down, Richbee2be. Everyone believes their religion is the right one. You sound like a fanatic. No one has the hold on spiritual truth.
rakshamg 3 years ago
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich,
Please at least think about the questions I asked below.
Also, I have more to ask. Do you believe that world peace is possible? Do you want world peace?
dwoodall8979 3 years ago
That's your answer? So you basically can't account for the contraction between your Jesus-is-God thing and these quotes? "I am ascending to MY GOD to your God?". Your reply is that I'm somehow afraid of the truth? I'm the only one between us that's acknowledging it. Well if you have no answer for me, I guess that makes my point then.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Question(s):
Why was Jesus rejected by the Jewish religious authorities of His time?
Why was He only accepted by the lowly and the meek?
dwoodall8979 3 years ago
Great question dwoodal! I'm sure there are several ways to look at this, but the 1st answer that comes to mind is Jesus failed to meet many (or any) of the expectations of the Messiah. One example is the Apostles came to him and questioned "why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come". The expectation was that 1st Elijah was to return, then the Messiah would appear. He told them Elijah had returned in John the Baptist; just not as they expected. Here too he explains what "return" means.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich,
Could it be that you are really nit picking here and not giving ample evidence to discredit the claims of Muhammad and Baha u llah? Could it be that Jews of Jesus' time were doing the same thing you are doing now?Is it not getting a little old comparing quotes from the Bible that support Baha u llah's claims and quotes that can give someone such as yourself doubt?
dwoodall8979 3 years ago
Could you please for one moment, with an open heart, do what Jesus said and judge Baha u llah and the Bahai Faith by their "fruits?"
Would Jesus really oppose someone who so desperately wants world peace, the equality of men and women, independent investigaton of the truth, a world government, universal education, elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty, etc? Would Jesus really not want this? Where in the Bible does He oppose these "fruits"?
dwoodall8979 3 years ago
Rich, if Jesus is in fact God incarnate, ie the Almighty himself, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
1 Tim 3:16-"Great indeed is the mystery of our religion: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory".
It helps if you're quoting directly; so please elaborate again how this verse from Timothy supports your god incarnate doctrine?
We draw conclusions based on what it actually says & consider the ENTIRETY of it. One must also consider Tim2:5 describing Jesus as a mediator between God and man.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Go ahead & take all the liberties you want with the Bible; lying about what it actually says won't make it true. This is a bogus patchwork of verses creatively strung together to mislead the faithful. Tim 3:16 makes no such reference to "the mystery of godliness"; whatever crevice you pulled that from is the mystery; but like I said, feel free to take whatever liberties you feel necessary. John 1 clearly states Jesus came to make God known; you're misrepresenting the reality of what "Logos" is.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
No, wrong again. When Stephen is being martyred he looks up and sees Jesus and beside him is the "Glory of the Father", therefore we know this "Glory of the Father is separate from Jesus for he sees and identifies them as side by side to one another. But Jesus states it is the Glory of the Father who will return at the end of the age, not himself. (Mark 8:38)
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, i think you've mistaken this channel for 1 that will tolerate prejudice, put downs, & intolerance. by all means keep it up; you're one more spamming/insult escapade away from being blocked and having all your comments deleted into oblivion. You aren't commenting on our replies or even engaging in any dialog. now you're just cutting and pasting old comments you've made; have you run out of original thoughts and have to resort to recycling? How sad you don't have anything productive to do.
damntheman19 3 years ago
TROLL ALERT!
Richbee, we got this message the first 12 times you cut and pasted into this & 4 other video's comment areas on this channel. It wasn't particularly compelling the first dozen times; what do you hope to accomplish with this type of spamming? Maybe a mass conversion? Do you really think your comments are that critically important that we need them pasted into these comments over and over? How sad you don't have anything productive to do. Maybe ask your man-god Jesus for guidance.
damntheman19 3 years ago
TROLL ALERT!
Richbee, we got this message the first 12 times you cut and pasted into this and 4 other video's comment areas on this channel. It wasn't particularly compelling the first dozen times; what do you hope to accomplish with this type of spamming? Maybe a mass conversion? Do you really think your comments are that critically important that we need them pasted into these comments over and over? How sad you don't have anything productive to do. Maybe ask your man-god Jesus for guidance.
damntheman19 3 years ago
Rich,
Baha'u'llah has come like a thief in the night. Most people missed him, & only now will His Message be proclaimed throughout all nations of the world at this time of the prophesied "fire". Everything being "laid bare" means that all of the corruption is being exposed, that of organized religion, politics etc...
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Richbee,
As you are beginning to resort to spamming all of my videos with the same posts, I will begin blocking them if you don't take the time to address the specific points we are responding with.
You can read Paul's explanation of the "other Jesus" that he says the Christians would "submit to" readily enough in 2 Corinth. 11. He explains that the minister of Satan would "transform" themselves into the ministers (clergy) of Christ.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
troll alert!
why are you posting these same exact comments on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these attacks? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
damntheman19 3 years ago
troll alert!
why are you posting these same exact comments on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these attacks? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
damntheman19 3 years ago
Rich, it's a shame you can't account for the contradictions we have pointed out in your logic, but instead can only accuse us of being "liars". I would love to see you answer even 1 of the unanswered questions put to your conclusions. Now that your done with your flurry of posts that make clear your beliefs will you go on ignoring any of the questions put to them? I've bothered to give your ideas considerations & asked logical questions; you could extend the common courtesy of answering them.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Richbee, thanks for your support of our channel. All your commenting here is helping it to post higher on related searches, and assisting it to go viral. Thanks for all your contributions.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Cool, thanks for sharing. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Cool, thanks for sharing. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Cool, thanks for sharing. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Cool, thanks for sharing. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
The trolls have taken over. Run for cover!
genraldisarray 3 years ago
SPAMMER ALERT!!!
genraldisarray 3 years ago
SPAMMER ALERT!
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Yes, & he also said "many will come in my name, saying they are the Christ";so Christ will come with a new name, confirmed again by Jesus himself Rev. 3:12.
The word Christ is a genealogical title (see Rm 1:3) and the Bible said two were to come, not one coming twice. Jesus explained what "return" means when he told the apostles who were troubled that Elijah had not 1st returned as the scriptures predicted. Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah. It's the message not the person that returns.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Yes that is correct. I'm thrilled you've been paying attention. Jesus also taught Progressive Revelation: "If you believe in Moses then you should believe in me, for Moses spoke of me". Jesus spoke of both Muhammad and Baha'u'llah as well. Good job Rich, thanks for bringing this up.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
That's a big "if" you got there. While you're in the middle of another 15 post tear (did someone say manic?), why don't you quote for us the exact quote where Jesus proclaims to be God please. "I am ascending to MY GOD, to your God".
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, why not just post the entire NT for us? These quotes are very useful for everyone who doesn't already have a Bible. We're going to need Matthew 1:1 thru Revelations 22:21. Don't worry about commenting on why they're useful quotes, or how they are germane to the topic; just post them all. Thanks.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Wow, how elegantly put. Please share more of your noble and lofty views. Please tell us of these 2 billion believers who have split into 22K various sects which Jesus approves of most? Is one of these 22K sects more correct about the details than another? Which of these 22K sects is closest to the truth. This is truly fascinating; I've never heard someone try to describe the thousands of fragmenting groups of Christians as "unified". Fascinating stuff; and so elegantly describe. Please go on.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
surely you must be joking. you mean the 2 billion christians that have fragmented into 22 thousand sects? by who's deranged definition are they all 'united'? the fact is that there is anything but unity about who he was, or what his return will consist of. by definition with these exaggerations you're the only liar here. judge not!
damntheman19 3 years ago
Thats your spin on things. But God bless anyway.
StephFL07 3 years ago
Steph,
It's not a "spin", it's the truth. I challenge you to present even ONE instance in the original greek where it says that the is an "end of the world [kosmos]". It says "end of the age [aeon]". So, I'm not "spinning" anything, just explaining what it actually says.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
And Heaven IS a place. At the end of the world, when all those left behind at the rapture are judged before God and cast into eternal hell, God will restore the earth to the way it was in the beginning of time. THAT will be Heaven, a PLACE
StephFL07 3 years ago
That's a lovely thought, but it doesn't conform with the scriptures, let alone reality. Jesus didn't say there would be an "end of the world"; thats what so-called Christians with their enormous superiority complexes keep repeating, but what Jesus said was "the end of the age" (aeon in Greek). So, "God will restore the earth", huh? The majority of the western world's population is Christian which makes them responsible. So because they took Jesus into their heart's, he'll fix their mess; why?
damntheman19 3 years ago 2
Steph,
According to the parable of the wheat & tares, it is the tares, symbolic of the enemies of God's Cause, which are "taken" first, to be burned. It is the wheat, symbolic of the believers, that is "left behind". So you see, you have it completely backward. Also, there is no "end of the world" according to the Bible. Did you know that?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Actually, there is, with regard to "a new heaven and a new Earth," and the resurrection of the dead which is spoken about in Ezekiel, which unfortunately, Baha'is deny.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago
ICX,
Who ever told you that Baha'is deny the resurrections spoken of by Ezekiel. Quite contrary, the resurrection is happening right now!
Come out of the whitewashed tombs you people!
According to the text, there is no statement that the "kosmos" will end, only that the "aeon" or age will end. The "new heaven" & "new earth" are referring to the new Revelation & Teachings which the Return of Christ brings.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
You acknowledge a symbolic resurrection. Not a literal one that has been the central tenet of Christianity preached about by the Apostles since the beginning of Christianity. By denying a literal resurrection you contradict yourself when you say "we believe in Resurrection."
I find it funny that you are hen picking the scriptures with a literalist exegesis, yet when it comes to the very soteriology of Christianity, you are so bold to claim it is symbolic in order to nullify Christianity.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago
Furthermore, the Greeks considered aeon and kosmos to be almost synonymous. The whole point of the conclusion of Revelations is that Christ comes again, ends the age, and starts a new one - one where He reigns over a world that is transformed to the way it was in the beginning - before the Fall of Humanity.
What is spoken about in Ezekiel is a LITERAL resurrection where the dead are reassembled and animated. To interpret it any other way is pure sophism.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago
That's great man; you go right ahead & preach whatever fantasies you like, but you're crossing the border of sophist yourself with your sweeping statements about how scriptures must be understood. The Jews themselves don't hold to this type of interpretation of Ezekiel, and it's their book. If your intent is to belittle us into belief, you've come to the wrong channel. Please just stick to the facts & leave your little jabbing commentaries out if it. Care to comment on the video's content?
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
My statements do have to do with the video's content because it has to do with Baha'i christology, which is ultimately what Adam is talking about.
Yet I'm the one who is fantastical because I believe in a literal resurrection (which is what any logical person would gather from reading the text) and I refuse to believe in a contrived symbolic Baha'i meaning to the Gospels.
Because of Ezekiel, modern Jews do believe in a literal resurrection as they are descended from a pharisaical tradition.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago
Actually, if you believe in the Gospels as you claim, then you should believe in a symbolic meaning to them, as Jesus himself said everything was given in parables, and nothing wasn't. This was to keep certain people out of the Kingdom. Jesus said the flesh was of no avail; Paul said what's sown physical is raised spiritual. Your logic is only logical to someone cherry-picking verses.
BTW, NO Jews believe in these ideas you claim. This is a complete fallacy. Provide but 1 ref. if you can.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Wrong. Go to any synagogue and speak to any rabbi. They will tell you that they believe in a Resurrection on the Last Day if they come from a pharisaical tradition. That's the whole point of the debate between Pharisees and Saducees in the Bible.
Furthermore, Jesus did speak in Parables, but when he spoke to his Disciples, he spoke "plainly." (Jn 10:16) The point is Christians never have believed in a spiritual resurrection. They have always taught that Christ got up on his own two feet.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago
Wow, you sure do know a lot about EVERYOBODY & "ALWAYS". That's really astounding. So if what your saying about what ALL Christians "ALWAYS" believed is true, why were there debates at the Council of Nicea over whether Christ was "Created" or "Divine", etc? Clearly this *unified Christianity* idea is an exageration.
Your ideas about the Jews & a resurrection aren't exactly accurate, but whatever. No one has a franchise on the truth my friend & you should relax on the definitives articles.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
No one has a franchise on truth? Hmm. Pontius Pilate said something similar when Christ acknowledged Himself as the Truth
It is not an exaggeration. The whole point behind the Council was to define who Christ is. But that aspect of christology is not what we are debating atm. We are talking about a literal resurrection of Christ, which if you study Arian theology, they EVEN believed Christ resurrected literally. To argue symbolic resurrection in this light is pure fancy on the part of Baha'is.
ICXCNIKA84 3 years ago