Goldkette was never as big a name as some other bands of that era. However, I find that disappointing because in my opinion Goldkette had a very distinctive and enjoyable sound. He may be less well-known but he is in my opinion top rank for his time.
The orchestra has the overal tonal quality of a Shilkret, but is free of the heavy, plodding character in the rhythm that Shilkret seems to have favored. Most modern "twenties" orchestras fall into that error, with tuba and the snare drum settling into a leaden, alternating burp-bang, burp-bang, burp-bang...
i just cant get over how a sound like that came out of a band that you see at the beginning of this video. it was unreal.this was the stoner music the stoners never found. well except for the stoners that were around at the time. sure they listened to it...on the radio...who says this is progress? give me the 1920s and I will gladly depart.
Just for info: While watching this..........saw the music sheet at 1.09 minutes in..............and find that I have five mint condition copies of this. Guess that they cannot be rare as hundreds of thousands were printed at that time.......Clive
This was, no doubt, recorded by the nucleus of Shilkret's "Victor Orchestra" (using a Frank Black arrangement)- but Victor Young, as I've previously mentioned, actually conducted the session, and was arranger/conductor on the last of the "Goldkette" recordings in late '29. Goldkette had to fulfill the remainder of his Victor contract that year, but as you've mentioned, 'timothy', he was virtually out of the band business by early '29. That's why others "fulfilled" his obligation.
I have this record, and have had a number of copies of it as well. It is not scarce by any means. "My Pretty Girl" by Goldkette is more scarce w/Biederbecke. This is a Shilkret w/Goldkette's name as a pseudonym. An obvious Frank Black Arrangement. By 1929, Goldkette's name was used by a number of artists. Shilkret, Russ Morgan, Don Redman, and other Victor Artists. Goldkette was out of the Band Business by late 1928. This is from 1929.
Jean Goldkette was not only very popular but quite prolific. You can find any number of his records on eBay, most for some very reasonable price. Enjoy the great music. You may also find a CD here and there. I have a disc of his Victor recordings, 1924-1928. Excellent work.
This is music -- and very good music -- not a political statement, for heaven's sake. Just enjoy a great orchestra and an exceptional voice for what they are! Folks who are old enough to remember the lyrics also remember that there was a time when words meant what the dictionary said they meant. This song was written, and sung, during that time. Give it a rest!
well done olderngod,jean goldette was brilliant ,is this not the point .anybody interested in any other versions .i have alfredo and his band{tiptoe through the tulips with me}i'm talking to my wife by the way .
Now I fully understand why some users disable comments on their videos. Noel Coward's use of "gay" in his song meant something entirely different than Al Dubin's use of gay in "Painting The Clouds With Sunshine." (I dread thinking what people are saying about two other 1929 songs, "A Gay Caballero" and "Gay Love.") Just enjoy the song without attaching any sociological importance to the use of a simple word.
I agree with you nedsparks on this. The use of the word is symbolic but not for homosexual gay but carefree gay. Clouds are symbolic of sadness and he is painting them with sunshine. Just like the line "when I pretend I'm gay I never feel that way" meaning he is pretending to be happy when he is sad.
many have lamented over the unfortunate choosing of the word "gay" to mean homosexual. like someone once said, they have ruined a million tunes. sorry, had to say that. we were all gay then, now we can just be nostalgic.
Williams Haines openly lived with his boyfriend/lover in the 1920's and there relationship was widely known and accepted. But after the religious revival which followed the beginning of the Great Depression, late in 1930, the religious nuts began to mount a campaign against gays. "Pansy Clubs" were shut down and popular actors like William Haines and Ramon Navarro were forced to retire because they refused to make sham marriages with women.
It was all over by 1935, the film code was in full force to protect society's "morals", women were once again relegated to second-class, minorities were again maltreated (and many were deported) and the USA would be basically homophobic and religious and conservative until the re-awakening in the late 1960's.
Thanks for the comment, '240'. Goldkette, indeed, was more of a businessman than actually working with his various orchestras- but, as I've mentioned, he knew where to find the best musicians to use in his various orchestras' personal appearances and recordings. And if someone like Whiteman came along and offered more money to them then Jean.......
Jean Goldkette was more of a "manager" than conductor of his Victor orchestra recordings- he rarely appeared at the sessions [Victor Young actually conducted the orchestra here]. But he knew when to use the best jazz musicians in the business...Frank Munn later became a popular radio singer in the '30s. This was recorded on June 14, 1929.
Don't read too much into this innocuous line; In 1929 the 'gay' line in the chorus meant 'carefree,' and had nothing whatsoever to do with today's definition.
The 1920's and early 1930's were quite liberal when it came to homosexuality. "Pansy Clubs" were all the rage in New York and other big cities and newspapers speak of a "Pansy Craze" in 1930. Mae West came out with a play "The Drag" that was about homosexuality in 1927 and it was a huge box office success.
There are numerous examples of the word gay being used: e.g. The song "Green Carnation" in the 1929 musical Bitter Sweet (The song title alludes to Oscar Wilde, who famously wore a green carnation, and whose homosexuality was well known), a passage from from Gertrude Stein's Miss Furr & Miss Skeene (1922), and newspapers articles from the time.
Thanks for posting this great recording. I love everything about it: the imaginative arrangement, the musicianship, the enthusiasm. And the nitrate frames are appreciated!
After the sad tangos this sparky foxtrot sounds even sparkier. And the lyrics! The line "When I pretend I'm gay I never feel that way..." is unbeatable.
Not only was gay used back in the 1920's for homosexual (when gays were accepted in big cities such as New York) but even the words "fag" and queer" as is evidenced by a Broadway tabloid article in a 1932 about their popularity
cited in the Spring 2008 issue of Out Traveler which has a great article about gay city life in the 1920's and early 1930's.
Wonderful recording.
UncleCharlieOakley 7 months ago
es la mejor musica!!!
pudomop 8 months ago in playlist Musica de los años 20 y 30
Good song. I remember listening to this on my grandmother's 78 rpms growing up.
George821000 1 year ago
wonderful music
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MiguelKertsman 1 year ago
I saw this part from the surviving fragments of the movie, my favorite song from the movie.
ikevyoiPhone3G1996 1 year ago
Maude darling.. do be a dear and look after my champagne while Charles and I take a turn on the floor!
talmadge1926 1 year ago 2
Goldkette was never as big a name as some other bands of that era. However, I find that disappointing because in my opinion Goldkette had a very distinctive and enjoyable sound. He may be less well-known but he is in my opinion top rank for his time.
jd03150 2 years ago
The verse before the chorus [:51-1:09] is as follows:
This life's a play from the start,
It's hard to play through a part,
When there's an ache in your heart all day.
I have my dreams 'til the dawn,
I wake to find they are gone,
But still the play "must go on", they say....
fromthesidelines 2 years ago 3
The orchestra has the overal tonal quality of a Shilkret, but is free of the heavy, plodding character in the rhythm that Shilkret seems to have favored. Most modern "twenties" orchestras fall into that error, with tuba and the snare drum settling into a leaden, alternating burp-bang, burp-bang, burp-bang...
bobparis 2 years ago
i just cant get over how a sound like that came out of a band that you see at the beginning of this video. it was unreal.this was the stoner music the stoners never found. well except for the stoners that were around at the time. sure they listened to it...on the radio...who says this is progress? give me the 1920s and I will gladly depart.
up2space 2 years ago
Just for info: While watching this..........saw the music sheet at 1.09 minutes in..............and find that I have five mint condition copies of this. Guess that they cannot be rare as hundreds of thousands were printed at that time.......Clive
stewartgas 2 years ago
This was, no doubt, recorded by the nucleus of Shilkret's "Victor Orchestra" (using a Frank Black arrangement)- but Victor Young, as I've previously mentioned, actually conducted the session, and was arranger/conductor on the last of the "Goldkette" recordings in late '29. Goldkette had to fulfill the remainder of his Victor contract that year, but as you've mentioned, 'timothy', he was virtually out of the band business by early '29. That's why others "fulfilled" his obligation.
fromthesidelines 3 years ago
que buena musica!me recuerda el de los dibujos animados de los años 20,
rifi360 3 years ago
I have this record, and have had a number of copies of it as well. It is not scarce by any means. "My Pretty Girl" by Goldkette is more scarce w/Biederbecke. This is a Shilkret w/Goldkette's name as a pseudonym. An obvious Frank Black Arrangement. By 1929, Goldkette's name was used by a number of artists. Shilkret, Russ Morgan, Don Redman, and other Victor Artists. Goldkette was out of the Band Business by late 1928. This is from 1929.
78timothy 3 years ago
this great recording. I love everything about it
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
Jean Goldkette was not only very popular but quite prolific. You can find any number of his records on eBay, most for some very reasonable price. Enjoy the great music. You may also find a CD here and there. I have a disc of his Victor recordings, 1924-1928. Excellent work.
olderngod 3 years ago
This is music -- and very good music -- not a political statement, for heaven's sake. Just enjoy a great orchestra and an exceptional voice for what they are! Folks who are old enough to remember the lyrics also remember that there was a time when words meant what the dictionary said they meant. This song was written, and sung, during that time. Give it a rest!
olderngod 4 years ago 3
well done olderngod,jean goldette was brilliant ,is this not the point .anybody interested in any other versions .i have alfredo and his band{tiptoe through the tulips with me}i'm talking to my wife by the way .
robgems2 3 years ago
Now I fully understand why some users disable comments on their videos. Noel Coward's use of "gay" in his song meant something entirely different than Al Dubin's use of gay in "Painting The Clouds With Sunshine." (I dread thinking what people are saying about two other 1929 songs, "A Gay Caballero" and "Gay Love.") Just enjoy the song without attaching any sociological importance to the use of a simple word.
nedsparks 4 years ago 12
The point it is was used in both senses, dearie *kiss* ;) LOL Wooo
disco79 4 years ago
I agree with you nedsparks on this. The use of the word is symbolic but not for homosexual gay but carefree gay. Clouds are symbolic of sadness and he is painting them with sunshine. Just like the line "when I pretend I'm gay I never feel that way" meaning he is pretending to be happy when he is sad.
pax41 4 years ago 9
many have lamented over the unfortunate choosing of the word "gay" to mean homosexual. like someone once said, they have ruined a million tunes. sorry, had to say that. we were all gay then, now we can just be nostalgic.
up2space 2 years ago 2
Williams Haines openly lived with his boyfriend/lover in the 1920's and there relationship was widely known and accepted. But after the religious revival which followed the beginning of the Great Depression, late in 1930, the religious nuts began to mount a campaign against gays. "Pansy Clubs" were shut down and popular actors like William Haines and Ramon Navarro were forced to retire because they refused to make sham marriages with women.
disco79 4 years ago
It was all over by 1935, the film code was in full force to protect society's "morals", women were once again relegated to second-class, minorities were again maltreated (and many were deported) and the USA would be basically homophobic and religious and conservative until the re-awakening in the late 1960's.
disco79 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment, '240'. Goldkette, indeed, was more of a businessman than actually working with his various orchestras- but, as I've mentioned, he knew where to find the best musicians to use in his various orchestras' personal appearances and recordings. And if someone like Whiteman came along and offered more money to them then Jean.......
fromthesidelines 4 years ago
Jean Goldkette was more of a "manager" than conductor of his Victor orchestra recordings- he rarely appeared at the sessions [Victor Young actually conducted the orchestra here]. But he knew when to use the best jazz musicians in the business...Frank Munn later became a popular radio singer in the '30s. This was recorded on June 14, 1929.
fromthesidelines 4 years ago
Don't read too much into this innocuous line; In 1929 the 'gay' line in the chorus meant 'carefree,' and had nothing whatsoever to do with today's definition.
nedsparks 4 years ago
The word gay also meant homosexual back then.
The 1920's and early 1930's were quite liberal when it came to homosexuality. "Pansy Clubs" were all the rage in New York and other big cities and newspapers speak of a "Pansy Craze" in 1930. Mae West came out with a play "The Drag" that was about homosexuality in 1927 and it was a huge box office success.
disco79 4 years ago
There are numerous examples of the word gay being used: e.g. The song "Green Carnation" in the 1929 musical Bitter Sweet (The song title alludes to Oscar Wilde, who famously wore a green carnation, and whose homosexuality was well known), a passage from from Gertrude Stein's Miss Furr & Miss Skeene (1922), and newspapers articles from the time.
disco79 4 years ago
Thanks for posting this great recording. I love everything about it: the imaginative arrangement, the musicianship, the enthusiasm. And the nitrate frames are appreciated!
nedsparks 4 years ago
probably an original 78 rpm, hmm... It's like playing in the rain
jozefsterkens 4 years ago
After the sad tangos this sparky foxtrot sounds even sparkier. And the lyrics! The line "When I pretend I'm gay I never feel that way..." is unbeatable.
dzheger 4 years ago
Not only was gay used back in the 1920's for homosexual (when gays were accepted in big cities such as New York) but even the words "fag" and queer" as is evidenced by a Broadway tabloid article in a 1932 about their popularity
cited in the Spring 2008 issue of Out Traveler which has a great article about gay city life in the 1920's and early 1930's.
disco79 4 years ago
Bright and brilliant tune!
kspm01 4 years ago 2
Great band at a time when the crash hit you had to have sunshine lol......
HarborGuy 4 years ago