Drum Lesson 3 (Double Stroke Rolls)

[Maconochiejohn]

It's possible to do all the work with the flying fingers:) we miss you videos Josh! I iwas gonna ask for advice but it's too late! :(

[Eclipserocksyou]

u can hear the snares every time you talk lol

[dciguy2012]

heres a good test everyone! I really do hate to see so much hating on youtube.

When i was learning double stroke rolls and diddles, my teacher told me to practice on my mattress. It does have some bounce to it, but it really helps to use your fingers and shows you how much you really need to use them for this roll.

[mrawsomepants355]

You gotta keep your back fingers on the stick. It gives you more control on the stick allowing you to have cleaner doubles at a faster speed.

[Footballar09]

why does your grip suck so much just saying your not bad at all

[TravelingPhotoman]

Thanks for posting these videos. They are really helpful.

[HugeFighter]

Hey man, this is the best explanation, that I've found, of how to use the bounce for this. Thanks, it's really been bothering me because I couldn't figure out how to practice that..

[PBenda07]

you are corrupting the minds of all these viewers

[acethegreat101]

@PBenda07 lolwut?

[nickon4]

Hey hey do i need to know the flying fingers technique AND the double stroke roll?

[xXxCoolPointxXx]

4:06 LOL

[AvengedMillionfold]

@JonHcutt if you are so knowledgeable on the subject, why are you watching video lessons? Just curious. Also, your 'constructive' criticism is presented in a very rude way. If you are really awesome, make videos of your own; I will watch them.

[MrFantasmosNumba1Fan]

@AvengedMillionfold yeah that guy is kind of a dick

[JonHcutt]

@AvengedMillionfold This video was posted on a professional drumming forum for other drummers to make fun of. I came here and posted to hopefully give the man some help, so that he doesn't lose all respect in the community he clearly desires to be a part of. I don't post instructional videos on youtube, because that's how I make money. If you would like to see me play, you can check out my band's videos. Search "Crescent Fresh Band."

[JonHcutt]

Also, you can play that fast with single strokes, if you use finger. Fact.

[JonHcutt]

Seeing how many negative comments have been received by the people just trying to give him advice on how to sound better, astonishes me. You really think this sounds good? You can't see that his hands do different things? They're not suppose to. As you play slower, you use more of the larger muscles to make the motions happen. As you get faster, you use less finger and more fore arm, which he's doing, but you do NOT create that big of a pocket. His technique will one day damage his body.

[PunKrockers182]

My teacher actually got pissed off when i practiced in.... During my test hour !!!

[iKLstar21]

i cud do it rite left ;) lol u r so awesome drum teacher

[thatsphreshish]

So did he go to bed in his tiger costume, then realised he couldn't sleep? lol love the videos man, super helpful

[kronosg13]

That is not the way to do it..The only way you can do this is on very reboundy surfaces like snare or hi-hats..Try that on you low tuned - unbouncy floor tom, then come back and tell me!

[slipknot8maggotfan]

why is putting your fingers in on the doubles important?

[myTAMAsbetter]

woe man pinky in what is this

[Cakez00]

I can pretty much do this, but the "1hit accents", the ones on the rim, are so hard for me! practice i guess!

[scott5Co77]

ive just started working on my basics after getting a kit after 13 years. i stumbled across this vid by pure chance just wanna say thank you for uploading this the way you broke it down makes it soo much easier to learn thanks dude will be using your vids for to help me!

[rockinman69]

Your family was asleep during this? I don't even know how that works lol.

[chool12]

dude you are awesome and very encouraging it it is very easy to understand keep posting videos

[2011jaba45]

the point is he is a good drummer and don't need the outfit he will not get the credit or respect he deservers , unless he or you were the outfit. stupid

[televisedcolonoscopy]

ahahah "practice on your desk at school piss off your teachers, it doesnt matter whats more important any way music or school?" thats awesome

[2011jaba45]

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE THINKS HE NEEDS THE OUT FIT ITS HARD TO WATCH HIM AND ENBRASSASING IF I GE CAUGHT

[furankuno1]

@2011jaba45 that is his trademark n unique , u dont need to follow the outfit , just learn the drum tech from him hahaha

[killer363yo]

how much do you pratice a day and how long have you been druming for?

[NickCrowther720]

I noticed that when you're hitting down, your pinky, ring and middle fingers all splay out the side, was just wondering if this is uncommon because i do the same thing and someone told me it wasn't proper, and that it may damage my wrists over time. What so u think man?

[8024brandon]

@NickCrowther720 it wont damage your wrists. but whoever said that is right, it isnt proper. you should keep your fingers wrapped around the stick, dont hold it too loose so its flooping around but not to tight to where your wrist is all tense. hope that answered your question?

[screamolives]

I hate myself.

[mussman717word]

Fuck school, music IS more important. Please, don't sell out on me, Spikey!

[arschi123]

alright i understand! but when i play very slow, then this bounce thing does not work anymore, can i start at this point with using my wrists or have it to be the bounce as well?

[Fulltonic]

how old were you when you started playing drums?

[tjtonzo]

practice on your desk at school piss of your teachers

[MegaAndyhh]

Great series, thanks

[csmorgan]

Finally a great video for beginners that doesnt make me feel retarded!

[8EastTripFin8]

Pinky!

[MyDoomedAccount]

you loosen your grip on the rolls

i tried out for drumline (didnt make it cause of low gpa -__-)

and he told to always have your grip with your fingers on.

[theman204ful]

dude nice tigger pjs werd u getem i want some

[nascarbaby100]

ok i have a question whats with the tiger look

[1Mikelo]

Well.. U say to make questions, im making. Dont know if u gonna answer me...

My drum teacher says that doing this double stroke, to use my back fingers to make the stick goes back to the snare.

Like.. I hit once, and when it came to me, force the stick with the fingers to make it goes down.

[thunderbullet]

Not the best technique "push pull" is better-more control

[jaymemaryjane]

you dont' get hot playing in that tigger costume? lol

[ryan9312]

dude ur really good but if i may say something try to keep your pinkeys on your sticks it will help you greatly in the future. great video!

[lukin6t9]

i find it very hard to do with my right hand but then its cool cause i just get these lil speedy triplets

[sidrocksinthisworld]

how bout featuring R L R LL combination (the last left has a double stroke,at a 16th note, the rest single strokes at 8th notes) and making a catchy beat or fill outta it? appreciate the help...great vids helping me more than ever becoming a great drummer :)

[Uberjazz]

ty for vid, practicing now XD

[xemnasism]

Put your fingers on the stick when you diddle. You'll have more control

[Einheit396]

U is god

[Th3DaViT]

thanks for the lesson man!

btw i like your tigger suit ; )

[Kephiroth]

great advice for all drummers at 4:16

[killerfreak180]

hey spikey drummer,waz up,ha first to comment,how do you do a good heavy metal drum beat

[alexjamess]

nice one tigger haha

[pokemetalfan]

everyone keeps saying this is more like a buzz then double's because its using the rebound of his snare. people also say dont practice this way do the drop catch method. well i do do my double's this same way and it turns out great. however i believe if you want to be good, dont put down this method. learn it, and then once you have mastered it, learn the drop catch method. there are plenty of ways to do everything, but if you learn to do as much as you can you can have options and flexibility!!

[iwillwait]

your snare head seems WAY tighter than mine, does that mean it has to be tight to do double strokes?

[Dizzeegaskell]

I can't even do doubles, but i learnt doing them that way, and pinching them out, but then the second hit is not going to punch as much as the first, and on the toms your rebound is going to be even weaker.

I dropped that method and picked up Dave Weckl's advice on the drop catch, and im trying to learn that one

[limeindacoconut475]

how long have you been playing for?

[2sexy4war]

for you who are saying that's wrong...

how do you know that "finger technique" is right?...it depends on every invidividual....

if he prefers it that way...well let him play...

its clean and fast so what's wrong with that?

[LOLE1991KOVIN]

It's not very clean, his left hand is little quieter than right, just a little, but enough to tell they are different...

If you use all of your fingers you'll have more power in your second strike of double, that's important, and when you go faster you'll get the same sound of every strike...

[JonHcutt]

@2sexy4war It's not clean, especially when it's fast. As he plays faster, he has less control over his diddles, giving them less definition. So that's what is wrong with it. And he's passing information on to young kids, but setting a few bad examples. I get that this video is "easier to understand," but the information in here, is what is keeping this guy at an amateur level. He has the right idea in mind, but he needs to get more educated on the topic before he puts out education videos.

[Dreammotive]

2:00 "That's impossible!" Good video but you are completely wrong about that. There are a lot of drummers out there who can play a single stroke that fast and saying its impossible discourages people from looking into and learning the techniques that would allow them to do so.

[KDMaz]

I'm sure by impossible he means it as a hyperbole.

[jumadi1990]

this is wrong really

[EdibleAutopsy6660000]

are you using rebound or are you using your fingers?

[Irreponken]

Use your fingers

[23Infernox23]

if you wanna learn how to play double strokes, look up something drumline-related

[omg1a1kitten]

no, this works.

[23Infernox23]

it may work, but if you really want to be good you should learn proper technique (drop-catch, using all of your fingers)

[papuloks]

you tube music school

[luky112211]

this taught me double stroke rolls

[ITELLTHETRUTH123]

no offense, but maybe before teaching people you should learn how to do double strokes yourself, your relying on your drum's bounce, this is why I would only consider lessons from someone with good technique!(I'm a percussion teacher, just my critique! :0

open up your doubles, your not doing buzz rolls! also, a great exercise is to play doubles, then singles, and make them try to sound the same, that's how you know your playing clean!

[acdc157]

shut up faggot

[BrendogDrums]

I agree!!!!!! Also, there's no space between your thumb and your finger. Not very good technique.

[BlackCat987]

I don't get why people give "ITELLTHETRUTH123" thumbs down, because he's definitely telling the truth.

Spikey's way of execution the double stroke roll reminds rather of a buzz roll than of a open double stroke roll. The issue is that he doesn't imply his fingers in order to get the second stroke. In addition his right pinky often extends while playing the double stroke roll.

But don't get me wrong! Apart from that Spikey is a really really good drummer having a great rhythmic feel!

[Lukaws19]

If you don't use your fingers, you won't ever have as much control...

[lazydude554]

y tigger? i'm not bitchin', its funny, but y?

[bueller102]

dont let your fingers drop on a double stroke roll. your fingers should be controling the stick. you cant let the drum head do the work.

[jellyboy123]

spiky drummer is the best plus he's a very giving person you would have to pay for this information.

by me its 20 pound a drum lesson thats 33 dollars a drum lesson for a 1 hour drum lesson.

[JonHcutt]

@jellyboy123 I would never pay for this information. I would pay someone who knew the information better.

[franciman2]

Could you do this roll on a non-bounce surface? a proper double stroke roll can be done without bounce. (not being aggressive not being aggressive its a question!!)

[hamsty134]

THANKS alot, i found this so hard but now its easier for me :)

[jacob112291]

thanks man!! uber helpful... but you know music beats school, lol

[D4rkMatt3r]

thanx bro helped a lot. ive seen some of your other videos and ur a fucking crazy drummer! dont stop your thing haha

[GnarFish666]

Amazingly helpful. I never drummed before at all but I just got sticks and a practice pad. Are double rolls a good place to start even? Respond ASAP

[tortillachip520]

before i got my first drumset i got a pair of sticks, and started practicing double stroke rolls on the floor, counter, anything i could hit. after 2 or 3 weeks i could do a drum roll better than most of the drummers i know that have been playing for years.

it definitely helps you build control between both hands, especially your left (assuming you are right handed) where you need it most.

[Wolverine51324]

Why does your pinky finger stick out on one hand, but on the other its tucked in?

[silentboy85]

i like ur motivate statement (except the school part)

[ropeyguitar]

helps :)

[777doom]

wtf are chops? Is it your penis cose if drumming will give me big chops then im practising flat out for the next few months

[Tymiinator]

Good comprehensive lessons for beginners

[lospepes14]

Spikey, I got a question.

At the beginning when you do the accented double stroke roll, are you playing triplets or 16th notes?

What are you exactly doing besides the double stroke roll?

[SystematicChaos08]

hes playin triplets, R,L,R,L,R,L accent the first right and play the left and second right as ghost notes, then play the second left as an accent ect.. so it would be like this R,l,r,L,r,l. captials are the accents

[theatricalillusion]

you need to keep you pinky fingers on the sticks, this will let get more beef on the second stroke

[sixxsells]

looks like i need to wack off with me left hand more

[entozoon]

@sixxsells it's like getting a hand job from a clumsy stranger

[livepunx]

are you wearing PJ´S?

[stoked166]

great video man thanks =D

[nsG0]

START SLOW???? ;D!?

[Kickflipkid687]

Thanks alot for that :D.

Your camera I think has some sort of audio setting that dynamically adjusts the volume, which makes it hard to hear sometimes.

[cocain2brain]

thanks spikey :D

i finally learned how to double stroke from this vid :o !

keep on drumming ^o^

[BlackXSouleStudios]

wow i thought it HAD to be moved with ur fingers, and i was just winging it with the bounce back, oh well

[Nbrawler55]

Hey i need help with my doubles i don't know if im doing them right..... im not getting enough rebound after i get to higher speeds.. someone help me please!!!

[DruMMinDude93]

i hope u know that ur the BEST drum teacher on youtube....... :D

[TimeForAPsycoHoliday]

i got double strokes down rather easy. i like to do doubles with the hi hat and snare

[noggindoo]

Hi i am just starting to try and learn double strokes so this is helping a lot, just one thing do you snap the stick back with your fingers to get the second hit or is that a different type of stroke .

[Steeller12]

Music is more important!-)))

[timmomacca91]

thanks a heap mate, only a beginner and was havin abit of trouble gettin the double stroke down, helped alot!!

[Wigstrom91]

How long have you been playing?

[413Falcon]

everyone bashing this needs to stop. everyone has different ways of doing things

[PinoyBoy800]

thanks for the help

[himynameisnahue]

whatever, you videos, help me a lot, ahaha, i really thank you, i just learning, i hope someday, make these videos for someone else, ahahhaa, well take care!.

[whooler]

ur technique sucks.

[ballebrokk]

such low life comment, whooler.

his technique is really good, and the way he's teaching it is very easy understandable and informative.

[IAAMDDAFB]

his technique really bad... you dont hold the stick with two fingers moving the hand up and down, you use your wrists when you want to play double strokes and you hold the stick with all 5 fingers... it takes more time to adujst to this technique but its a lot better than the one he shows and it allows you to play more complicated and difficult masterpieces

[SOADdrummer21]

idk why people thumbed down. i love spikey drummer. he's great metal drummer and has really good coordination, but this dude is right. gotta use fingers and wrists man. and i'm not tryin to be a troll, no disrespect at all....just statin my opinion

[JonHcutt]

@IAAMDDAFB AGREED Sir. I have been a percussion educator for 13 years now and if I saw any of my students playing this way, I would correct them in a heartbeat. This video is detrimental to a players technique. It promotes bad habits and gives visual of poor examples of how to play double stroke rolls. I'm sure he's fine at the rest of the kit, but as for his double strokes, he needs some serious work.

[disg0rge]

@toaster cramer:

yeah you mean the snap-up technique

the arm doesnt move, just the wrist goes up and down

[KyleBlock2142]

this is wrong. You start with one stick up force it down til it rebounds up to almost the starting point. then hit with the same hand and use a sticatto note when you hit the head stop it 1" (about) away from the snare. then repeat with your other hand

[Mrevo599]

he's better than you

[KyleBlock2142]

hes better at heavy rock

i could kick his butt at regular rock

classic rock

hip hop

rand b

swing

jazz

and scremo :)

[AlexGHicks23]

good thing screamo is a genre of music

[attackthekayak]

lol i drum on my desk with my pencils at school and my teachers always yell at me.

[neoshaolin1]

I love how you through the "sadly enough" at the end.

[ToasterCramer]

Dude sorry but its not the right technique of double stroke roll... for a real double stroke u must take the rebond with your fingers to have the same power with your wrist and make an equal double stroke roll

[mattbetts01]

yea, keep your fingers on the back of that stick. don't take them off. we call that sissy playing because it looks like you're holding a tea cup...like a sissy nanny.

xD

[mattbetts01]

i never said he was bad, did i?

and that's a pretty dull comment, seeing as how you've never seen me play.

and even then we'd most likely be playing two separate styles so you couldn't judge.

and even then, music isn't about competition, it's about music.

ohemgee this comment could be so much longer.

xD

[nightmare355]

Wtf, who are you, Buddy Rich himself? Shut up, nobody is perfect. He's showing the basic's of a double stroke roll and thats more than anough for practising it.

[Broadcastius]

Erm, I think JaredOath´s comment was removed..what was it that he said?

[nightmare355]

"dude. you need to work on your own technique for a long time before you try teaching others. You are very dirty. It almost sounds like a buzz roll.

Seek help.

(also, there is someone that can stroke that fast going R L R L... his name is buddy rich.) "

[omus144]

Music is much more important then school. More complexity and your doing something you love. Also, the creation of a dynamicaly sound peice of music is far more interesting and creative, than school.

[b111n]

i notice that that your fingers flair out when doing double strokes. My drum teacher tells me not to do that. it there a reason for it or is he just being stupid

[MetalGinger]

No. always keep your fingers on the stick.

He's technically wrong. And the quality of his double stokes suffer from it.

Don't bashing him, but he needs to work on technique.

[mauibaliton]

dude what's with the costume...hehe ;]

but anyway thanks...

[Pork091]

music > school

[jlaing16]

WOW, love how the comment about going to school was recorded at a totally different time and cut in, hilarious.

[hodgie19]

Man u are sick u got skill, but whats up with the tigger costume? Lol doesnt it get hot playin drums in that set up? haha i like your beats tho :D

[kevinheard]

hi. ok ill keep trying. ive a td9 and the display is great for showing you as well as listening as to how even your strokes are.you use the same tech at all speeds tho dont you? ive seen double wrist movements that turn into you wrist/fingers move. seems hard way to do it. its getting the rght energy for the first hit to allow the bounce to be high enough i struggle with. soz for all this/seems stupid when you can do it i suppose. cheers kev

[jere0328]

im confued my music teacher told me to use finger action but its difficult should i continue using the finger action or the bounce thingy

[Munki6]

You use the bounce AND your fingers. The initial stroke, you let it bounce back, and the 2nd stroke, you use your fingers. You COULD use the bounce thing for both strokes, but you're going to lose control.

Practicing with rebound and fingers is frustrating as hell, I'll tell you that. I've been drumming for 6 years and I've ignored double stroke rolls because they're so frustrating to learn. I just recently decided I'd start working on them. But yeah. Good luck with it!

[MKiller5]

If you also use your fingers, it will sound better. But it's harder ^^

[TheGarandGuy]

Finger action. Don't rely just on the bounce coz you don't have that much control over it

[drumsbasix]

is there much pressure on your fingers??

(sry for my english, i'm from austria!!! :D)

[darngirl09]

very good! and cute. xD

[kevinheard]

cool. i have a prob however. im being told diff ways to do this. is there a better way or just what works? ie. actually flicking wrist twice or as you do or using the fingers for second hit. seems real hard to do the wrist thing. cheers bud

[Munki6]

Flicking your wrist twice = 2 single stroke rolls with 1 hand. Not that it's wrong technique or anything. You're just using more energy than you would if you did a DSR. It's hard to let your stick rebound for the first hit and sort of snap your fingers to get that second hit, but practice makes perfect!

[Coolbeans1777]

Great lesson man! Your the best teacher i have had!

[leon88bass]

"Not crazy..." from a guy in a tigger outfit come on who you foolin'. Great lesson thanks

[Z6U6Z6U]

oh my god he is so much better than all the other drum teachers! atlast someone who knows what we want to learn!

[JaredParagon2112]

NO! music is way more important, good lesson

[DQ32]

At least you have the decency to teach us double stroke rolls AND to play in your garage when your family's asleep. =P

[Fartan117]

thank you this helps a ton

[DirPaulyB]

I don't know why completely but when you asked what was more important, Music or school, I fell on the floor with laughter. I'm gonna move on to this slide pedal technique because I have trouble with that, see you there...

[sm4ky]

music > school haha

[shumped]

change the custome so it says trigger!

[cornflakesnwater]

thanks

[MaddieSeesPeace]

:))

[RockDrumWorld]

Great video

[tuytuy21]

hey thanks

[BaronXS]

screw that music>school

[SuicideMaggot]

how long do you play? i love every video of yours

[zZmekmekZzDrummerzZ]

so yeah i finally got a drumset but no cymbals and im a loser so i made cardboard ones haha........ but yeah thanks again and warheartpit i agree....

[Twistdurr]

lol, epic win

[YIMMYISWIN]

lol thats freakin awesome man!!! haha i want me some of your cymbals!!

[godmade29]

hey man awsome vids, helped me lots

btw what drums do you have??

Go Tigger

[Squint3112]

Great vid!Just wondering, whats the rudiments at the start of the vid?the accents sounded really awesome.