Religion and Child Abuse

[Hufflewaffle]

Yeah, crazy times we live in. Spreading the idea of thinking for one's self - giving children access to information about the whole world rather than limiting to them to the ideas contained in one book. just crazy loony, right??

[RefridgeratorOfDoom]

LOL "Mem". Learn words before trying to use them kthnx.

[steppinonyoface]

children and all people have a right to know where they came from. fundamentalist families who try to resist this should be forced to capitulate, which usually may easily be accomplished without breaking up the family. your religion has outlived its usefulness. it will be exterminated. resistance is futile.

[Nativegirl1985]

why can't ppl just love each other? Why can't we all just get along? What ever happened to free will? GOD IS LOVE

[teknical100]

Randall you are either nuts or stupid. Spreading this type of rubbish just fuels the fire of atheists.

If there is a god (and there isn't) do you believe that your god would approve of your mis-quotes and manipulation of the real truth?

[walshamite]

Away with all religions, they turn kids' heads to mush, reinforce prejudice. Imposed, irrational nonsense, beliefs snatched from the air. Enforced circumcisions, forced marriages, rich folk preaching poverty, contradictory twaddle, man inside a big fish, a talking ass? Pseudo-science is in all this guy's YT clips. Religion evaporates when we grow up. Without science we'd still be in the dark ages. Religion, superstition to explain known reality before science came along. Simple, really.

[mompm]

@walshamite chech out this vid, and this "bishops" site- and if you agree it needs to be removed flag and pass it on The List: Rape of Virgins

[chowder130]

God made people, and people made religion. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but

We can make any religion we want, as long as it makes sense and stuff. Isn't there atleast 1 good thing in every religion? Think about it. Think deep.

Do not follow me or anyone else, instead choose your own path in the world.

[Stevil3113]

He's not talking about removing them... he's saying STOP ABUSING THEM BY INDOCTRINATING THEM INTO DOGMATIC ANCIENT FARCES. 

[BelgianBicyclist]

"Prostilytize?" You've created a hybrid of prostitution and proselytization.

You came out of the chute showing your ignorance.

[drmrgrl6]

This man has absolutely zero critical analysis of the documents he's reading. His arguments are emotion-based and meant to frighten people.

"We should spread this new, enlightened thinking around our society..." he says THAT'S crazy?

I'm so glad I'm an atheist. This man is no role model.

[RhysGarrish]

i am an atheist, but i do see the upsides of religion, faith can bring out the good in people, but i think religion should be a guidline for behaviour, and not to be taken seriously

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

REAL CHILD ABUSE!

(Psalm 106:36-38)

"...and they served their idols, which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and daughters unto devils, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan; and the land was polluted with blood."

[supermurloc64]

@Eye2EyeIIIV erm... idols which were a snare to them, (false gods). sacrificed their sons and daughters unto DEVILS (Not God)... that paragraph is only mentioning what people did. not teaching that christians should do child abuse.

[b1gr1g]

See, this shows how intelligent Dawkins is; people see him as a threat.

[davemuscato]

This video includes a hell of a straw-man argument. If I understood correctly, Dawkins never said we should take children away from parents, and he never called religious parents unintelligent. However, you can certainly damage a child by imposing your crazy beliefs on her at a young age, and we as a people should not allow this on account of "religious tolerance." Take, for example, child marriages. There is a line which parents shouldn't cross. The question is, where is it?

[badpanda84]

@davemuscato One classic example would be the Westboro Bapist Church. Now that definely should be considered child abuse

[davemuscato]

Oh, and Randall, it's "meme," rhymes with "cream," not "mem," rhymes with "creme." It wouldn't hurt you to read The Selfish Gene before you start talking about it...

[supermurloc64]

@davemuscato so a christian parent has no right raising his/ her child as a christian? you know. dont lie ,dont steal, dont be greedy ect

[davemuscato]

@supermurloc64 If you're asking for my opinion, I don't know if I've necessarily decided one way or the other, but I'm inclined to say I don't think parents should be allowed to lie to their children and give them nightmares about something like hell, which they have no evidence or good reason to believe even exists at all. It's just wrong to scare children in this way. By the way, don't lie, don't steal, etc... Those are moral principles, not religious ones, and they FAR predate Christianity!

[supermurloc64]

@davemuscato hell is not the key teaching of christianity. .it is love not hate

where did jesus say to hate your neibour?

.plus you cannot say it's lieing just because some people believe in somthing you dont. doesnt matter if morals predate christianity or not it is still a moral teahing of christianity not to steal, lie, ect. other wise whats the point of the 10 commandments? mabe you should research true christianity than just make assumptions.

[davemuscato]

@supermurloc64 Oh, supermurloc64, I suppose then that you can tell me what true Christianity is?

[supermurloc64]

@davemuscato well i can say i speak for christianity. but the true christianity ha to be biblical thats why people cal them selves biblical christians as we do not twist, subtract or add to the bible. but one of the main message of christianity it that the grace of god is not bought or earned it is give freely. yes it has hell but jesus never threated with hell.never raised a fist at any one if you want to

now more search true christianity . but for example speaking of tongues is not true chr

[davemuscato]

@supermurloc64 How, exactly, do you refrain from twisting, subtracting, or adding to the Bible? I would *love* to hear how you know, for example, that your interpretation of the Bible is "true Christianity." A lot of the books in the Bible are forgeries. Look it up yourself. About half of the books attributed to Paul were not written by Paul, for example, and we have NO IDEA who wrote the Gospels, only that they almost certainly weren't written by the apostles. The ENTIRE NT is "added."

[A3A3adamsan]

Doesn't say your Bible something like lying is not ok? Obviously not. Asshole.

[JannahWannabe]

I am a Muslim. Islam says there is no compulsion in religion. I find a lot of comments rather rude. Here is a person's viewpoint. Everyone is entitled to their god. Atheism is this person's way of life.

Basically a fan does not produce a fan. It takes a more complex thing, man, to produce a fan. Likewise an earth does not create an earth, a more complex source did it. Now, what created to universe?

Anyway, wish you all the best on your Path.

[99minerkc]

First of all, to use a fan as an example of evolution shows your IGNORANCE! Secondly, You find comments rude? Welcome to you tube! If you can't take the heat leave! Finally, do you know what I find rude? The fact that in your religion if one smartens up and leaves your faith-they are condemed to a death sentence! That's down right PATHETIC!

[badpanda84]

@JannahWannabe That may be the case but its like saying "Islam is a peaceful relgion" but that still dosent stop sucider bombers.

Likewise you may be no compulsion in Islam but stil in some Islam countries they will kill you if you leave the Muslim faith

[davemuscato]

@JannahWannabe The answer is, we don't know what created the universe, and that's assuming that something created it, and that it didn't just pop into existence. We do have some of our best minds working on it, though. If you want to say God created the universe, the onus is on you to demonstrate why God is a special-case exception to the everything-in-existence-requir­es-a-creator "rule," or else it's a fallacious argument.

So, by your own line of reasoning, who or what created your god?

[GegoXaren]

I think that we shall at lees not promote religious beliefs.

[Imaginefree69]

Religion per se promotes and protects child abuse.

Magical thinking, secrets, "God's mysterious ways"..

The xian teaching of fear and shame and guilt

and threats of eternal torture

cause stress, mental illness, addictions, and suicide.

Yes, Christianity promotes and constitutes abuse.

[supermurloc64]

@Imaginefree69 you are lumping all religions together which is false what one religion does doe snot discribe the completely diferent religion. voodoo does not equal christianity. Christianity does not teach one to be a child abuser. if in a christian family a child would be taugh to love his neibour ect.

[Imaginefree69]

@supermurloc64

"you are lumping all religions together "

You seem to be unable to read

more than the first sentence of my comment.

I specifically differentiate between religions,

and accuse Xianity quite distinctly.

After all, the greatest victory of "faith" in Xianity

is killing one's son because god says to do so.

[jesusrules2012]

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."They are corrupt,their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. Do you think Atheism is something new? You got science now to prove there is no God! I wonder what lame ass excuse atheist had thousands of years ago? "Hey Abraham we have evolved from riding donkeys, science has proved camels are a better meads of transportation!" God in his donkeys how funny you God freaks are! LOL!! Think on that one you atheist!

[jesusrules2012]

Evolution originated from Hinduism watch?v=0WE57wllfIc&feature=ch­annel_page All they did was put in into a science bubble to make it sound legit and so intelligent! (SUCKERS) Atheism as far I'm concerned is a cult and is in a league all it own and you all are playing into Satan's mind game! Anyone that tells anyone how to think or else sounds like dictatorship and history shows were that leads! I heard atheist say but we would do like the dictators did it. Oh really Doesn't sound like it to me

[PerryFraser]

@jesusrules2012

Before I start this, I need to say I'm a Deist and not an Atheist. But I'm going to defend Atheism. Atheism is in no way a cult, it has no doctrine. It is impossible for it to be a cult.

The basic tenants of evolution were known since before the Sumerians. The only reason that civilization(non-hunter-gather societies) exists is because of a basic understanding of evolution.

Your comments are contradictory of one another, unless I deciphered your English incorrectly.

[Imaginefree69]

"Atheism as far I'm concerned is a cult "

But your "concern" does not make it a fact.

And evolution is not connected to Hindu beliefs.

Take your fingers out of your ears,

stop chanting "Nya nya nya"

and try to LEARN something about the world you live in.

Your Imaginary Friend will understand

when you grow up and stop playing with him.

[jesusrules2012]

watch?v=cFul60uEZTE&feature=ch­annel_page

You have to have more faith then me to believe life as we see it today came from muck ooze! Yes evolution came from Hinduism. I can't help it that people like you are brainwashed by a fictitious big muck ooze daddy!

[Imaginefree69]

" I can't help it that people like you are brainwashed by a fictitious big muck ooze daddy!"

Ah, the intellectual heights of religion.

Truly pathetic.

[monkeybird69]

im in no way religiously affiliated or do i want to be, but there is a little thing in this country that we call freedom of religion and it is a parents right to teach their child whatever they like...

[IslamIS4retards]

Both dangerous cults for abusing the mind of children.

[IslamIS4retards]

Brainwashing children into any cults =mental abuse. It does not equal, as this guy has tried to deceive you with his tone of voice, taking your kids away. What a stupid fool!

How exactly are you taking kids away from parents by allowing the children to form their minds without BRAINWASHING THEM INTO ANY CULT? Christianity and Islam are both sick cults, and children should not be molested with THREATS of hell fire if they do not believe in Christianity or Islam.

[IslamIS4retards]

PART 2

Brainwashing them is MENTAL ABUSE.

You did not score any points with this stupid video, just because your tone of voice wanted to try to make children indoctrination advocated by Dawkins as if it was morally wrong. CULT WORSHIPER.

[havock89]

Bad brainwashing is mental abuse. Good brainwashing is called teaching and moral framework. If you disagree I dont care, I am just pointing out your erroneous premise is based on your own prejudiced polemic.

[IslamIS4retards]

I mistakenly gave this 5 stars while it deserves below zero.

This guy is an idiot , I know exactly what he is doing. He is trying to demonize atheism. I am not even an atheist, but children should NOT be brainwashed into any cult. LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE , DO NOT BRAINWASH THEM IN ANY CULT. When they are old enough to make up their own opinion let them choose what to believe.

[havock89]

1) I consider evangelical atheism to be a cult.

2) Parents have the right to raise their children the way they want. Society has no right to intervene.

[8saturn9]

How contrived. Randall, if social acceptance and contextual personal integrity become more important than what is true, then you "lose" integrity.

Science has more integrity than religion, and here is why; because the "community" of science is unconcerned with social acceptance and personal integrity. With no evidence, you believe what you believe only because it affords you acceptance and integrity, because it buys your place in society, your chance to have sex. How transparent.

[stevendrake01]

"With no evidence,"... If that weren't so pitiful, it would be laughable.

[8saturn9]

Couldn't understand the rest, huh Steven?

Make the argument that seeking social acceptance and contextual personal integrity are not the foundations for all human behavior, without doing that behavior.

Of course, we are dealing with, and I speak from, the difficult-to-understand perspective of evolutionary psychology--likely way over your head, Steven. I think you should let go of this one. (And don't respond back--I won't waste any more time on you).

[stevendrake01]

I gave you a thumbs up because you are obviously looking to make yourself feel better. Merry Christmas.

[havock89]

hahaha you intellectual snob!

[IslamIS4retards]

good brainwashing is moral? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

WHAT KIND OF RETARD ARE YOU?

BRAINWASHING CHILDREN INTO CULTS IS NOT MORAL FRAMING ANYTHING! IT IS BRAINWASHING THEM.

MORAL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN INDOCTRINATION. GET A CLUE!

YOU CAN TEACH LOVE TO YOUR KIDS WITHOUT BRAINWASHING THEM INTO CULTS LIKE CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM!

[havock89]

Thats just what I said, in christianity we "teach" love, respect, responsibility, and above all gratitude, for all things in life. What we call teachings, you call brainwashing. The term brainwashing is one of YOUR invention, and simply asserting this is true does not make it so.

Also comparing christianity to islam and saying they are the same is like comparing penicillin and necrotizing fasciitis. Its moronic and I pity you.

[IslamIS4retards]

Number one, I know that Christiany is much better than Islam. ISLAM IS A VIOLENT, SICK DEATH CULT.

Now, back to Christianity, anyone can teach their kids LOVE without BRAINWASHING them into DOGMA. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Brainwashing is not my invention, it is what YOU religious robots do to your kids.

You can teach them love without teaching the sick DOGMA of your religion. MORALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS DOGMA.

[IslamIS4retards]

I would rather a child being brainwashed into your Christian cult than Islamic cult.

ISLAM IS DANGEROUS, IT TEACHES HATE AND VIOLENCE.

Christianity is much better, if you strip away the sick dogma, there are good teachings there.

[IslamIS4retards]

So , learn how to read!

[havock89]

Actually it is a term that was first used by secular doctors in the late 1800s and was taken up by intelligence organisations in the 20th century. My point has been that christianity does NOT brainwash, what you call brainwashing is benign and should not be termed as such.

If we brainwash, how come in the 20th century loads of people have moved away from christianity because they feel no compulsion to adheir to it? You are talking rubbish.

[havock89]

1) Christianity is not a cult. Thats your assertion, which you have not proven to be in any way correct.

2) Brainwashing is not what takes place. Spiritual self-examination is what takes place.

3) Indoctrination is simply the process by which we learn about christianity and its traditions. You assert this is wrong somehow, agsin with no proof.

You have nothing but hatred and bile. Grow up!

[IslamIS4retards]

you are an idiot and religious ROBOT, you grow up BRAINWASHED NUTCASE!

[havock89]

Your the one behaving like a nut-job! Lol. Calm down and stop being so frustrated, sparkiy! Your name calling is somewhat inane and only based on your bigotry towards a communnion you do not understand and are not part of...

YOU attacked Christianity with your bigoted comments.

YOU have failed to substantiate anything you ahve said.

YOU have levied insults like "religious robot", "Brainwashed nutcase", a "retard".

The truth is, sparky, you fit this model better than I do!

[Chuichupachichi]

You're just a silly boy who has yet to see the world in its true form. If your brainwashing from evolution & atheism continues, you never will. Your brainwashing is evident in that you call Christianity a cult. "Cult" is clearly defined, consisting of 7 particular characteristics which must be present for cult status to be attributed. Christianity does not contain those characteristics. Your ignorance of this is what has enabled your being brainwashed into believing that Christianity is a cult!

[havock89]

Science is a product of Christianity. This is historical fact. So your statements on religion loosing integrity does not make sense.

[Chuichupachichi]

Who ever allowed for Dawkins book to be sold in America in the first place? Are people actually under the delusion of that he has some kind of right to sell his book here? Americas founders made it quite clear as to what is the nature of American rights. "all men were "CREATED" equal, and that they were endowed by their "CREATOR" with certain inalienable rights". Simianites like Dawkins, have, by all logical conclusions, forfeited their rights in America. Especially if they're not even a citizen

[johnPhilos]

This guy clearly hasn't read Dawkins and he is taking him out of context.

[realzoomy]

I find it strange that we Christians are told we are brainwashing our children when we tell them that we have a living Saviour, when we can testify that this is true in our own lives, that we ourselves have been touched by God, and yet we are expected to teach our children that Santa Claus comes down the chimney, when we know that is not true at all, because it is we who buy those presents!

[lisainohiousa]

good comment realzoomy!

[Chuichupachichi]

Never mind Santa Clause. A man, even a fat man, making his way down a chimney is far more plausible than what is really expected to be necessarily taught to children. That amoebas have morphed into humans.

[HumanitysAdvocate]

I can't believe Richard Dawkins has the guts to show his face in public. This man has been so discredited and shamed by scholars and few Christian children. His "Atheist Call To Arms" movement (LOL!) crashed miserably at first launch - laugh at by the TED conference. Dawkins would be a complete joke except for the fact he managed to make some minor profit off his stupid books, bought by a few closed minded idiots.

[lisainohiousa]

Child abuse is terrible! When I have children I will not hit them, not ever! I do not believe that is appropriate discipline. It does not teach children anything!

[realzoomy]

Read Silas Marner - it's a lovely book and I think you will be pleasantly surprised by it.

[lisainohiousa]

What is the book about? Do you disagree with me about what I said?

[realzoomy]

No, I agree with you. The book is about a man who loses a pile of gold but finds a golden haired child. The man is an outcast from his church - he has been blamed for something he didn't do, and he raises the child without smacking her. It is a book about redemption and forgiveness and it is one of the loveliest stories I have ever read.

[Jizuschrist]

Parents have the right to share own beliefs with their children , As long as the parents love is unconditional and not dependant on wither their children embrace their parents faith or not, Its perfectly ok.

Some people feel that their "parents" traumatized them with morbid firebrand stuff as a kid in church , Thats were the " religion equals child abuse" crowd comes from.

[ATLpirate]

It's funny that for some teaching your children about Jesus and Christianity is "child abuse," but allowing them to play Grand Theft Auto IV to their heart's content is just harmless fun.

Such is the bankruptcy of atheist morality.

[Jizuschrist]

Most of those kids playing GTA are no doubt christians.

[ATLpirate]

Actually, I have a lot of doubt about that.

[infinit888]

"Actually, I have a lot of doubt about that."

Are you seriously going to argue that the atheist minority (in the USA ~10%) bought the majority (+50%) of gta IV games?

Why are you activly trying to decieve yourself?

[ATLpirate]

Why do YOU choose to operate under the false assumption that everyone who calls themselves Christian is, in fact, a Christian?

And this is completely off point to what I was originally trying to get at anyway. Address my point, or don't bother to respond any further.

[ATLpirate]

The fact of the matter is that the atheist can't adequately & logically defend their hypocritical moral "picking and choosing" Why? Because they have no basis on which to establish any kind of law of morality in the first place. To what is the atheist appealing when he calls parental religious instruction evil? To what does the atheist appeal to call ANYTHING evil, or even good for that matter? In order to do so, he must borrow from the very same Christian worldview that he's trying to discredit

[ATLpirate]

But this is a self refuting argument for the atheist, and cannot be defended logically given the worldview to which he subscribes. So in point of fact, all the atheist is doing when he uses such an argument is, at best, appealing to emotion (which is not an arbiter of truth) and, at worst, blowing hot air. Such "arguments" may be affective against those who do not have a firm grasp on the issues at hand, but they do nothing in the way of invalidating their Christian/theist targets.

[infinit888]

"Why do YOU choose to operate under the false assumption that everyone who calls themselves Christian is, in fact, a Christian?"

Are you really going to sidetrack the issue with a no true scotsman fallacy?

Can we argue that you yourself aren't a christian due to the fact that you haven't given up your possessions like Christ demands?

"And this is completely off point to what I was originally trying to get at anyway."

So will you retract your second statement?

[ATLpirate]

Do you want to define what a Christian is, or do you want the Bible to do that?

You don't get to define the terms.

"Can we argue that you yourself aren't a christian due to the fact that you haven't given up your possessions like Christ demands?"

Are you really going sidetrack the issue by taking verses out of context and completely making things up?

[infinit888]

"Do you want to define what a Christian is,"

Yes - "one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ and follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus; one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus."

"Are you really going sidetrack the issue by taking verses out of context"

Nope - "No one of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions" (Luke 14:33)

Will you retract your second statement?

[ATLpirate]

So then according to your ridiculous interpretation of Luke 14:33, no one lives according to the teachings of Jesus. Hence, no one can be properly referred to as a Christian. Therefore, every person who has bought a GTA IV game is not a Christian.

Thanks for making it so easy for me.

[stevendrake01]

Great vid Randall. Guess I'll have to remain one of those "fuddy duddy" parents. LOL It is sad that they serve a master and don't realize or at the very least, won't admit it. God Bless and keep up the good work!