18 seconds ago Mikhail Vasilievich Pletnev, founder of the Russian National Orchestra, was charged Tuesday with rape of young boys in Thailand....No smoke without fire....This is a dirty bastard pianist artist who prey on vulnerable young and poor boys in Asia. Hell to him and his performances! He deserves to rot in hell!
Not so sure about the other aspects of this performance, but that fast mid section of the Sehr Rasch with the quickly descending lower neighbor tone sequence is executed quite superbly.
1. I wonder if all those Schumann's writings have been translated into English? What about his musical journal he founded? Do you know all he said about music and the performance about his own?
2. I disliked you say that Schumann was a schizophrenic. There was a time when his illness appeared, he suffered it for years. But he was not ill from childhood, and even in years of illness he had lucid times and composed music. I think you cannot define his music as that of a crazy person.
but he was schizophrenic... he was - and there are many "crazy" genius who are still capable of composing wondrous and beautiful art. Horowitz was bi-polar, but ev1 luvs him to death, no one can play like him thats for certain
In your opinion perhaps. Not in mine. Ordered pieces require order. Disordered pieces require disorder.
I cannot think of anything more inappropriate than an excessively 'ordered' Kreisleriana. Never mind the fact that Schumann was a schizophrenic, or the fact that the wrote a such a wild and rhapsodic piece, heh? Let's do all we can to make it sound 'normal'!
Incidentally, do you honestly have no idea about the absurd contradiction within the statement?
We ARE talking about the piece, whether you like it, for it IS a highly erratic piece of music. Have you ever heard of Florestan and Eusbius? You seriouslu think that's all about 'order'? If you prefer a performance that does not reflect the wild music that Schumann wrote, you haven't the first idea about what this piece is all about.
Excuse, but you forgot to provide a single rational reason why a crazy composer who spoke of his two utterly contrasted personalities and wrote music that displayed these crazy contrasts should not be played in a crazy way.
If you're going to argue this, at least make an effort...
If you don't like the kind of disorder that Schumann did then tough shit. Not everyone is going to sanitize it for you in their performances.
You didn't respond to my question about the 'rules'.
If you live in the belief that "order" is one of the most important qualities to display when performing Schumann's music, please keep your book on hold. Obviously you haven't got the faintest idea about what Schumann's music is about.
If you want a clue as to what really matters, try mulling over the concepts of "characterisation" and "contrast".
No, I'm a professional piano teacher. Obviously I teach standard things such as following a score. However, I do not subscribe to narrow minded ways of thinking that assume that 'order' always comes before characterisation- especially not in Schumann!
Perhaps Pletnev could indeed play one of Schumann's most frantic pieces with more 'order' (whatever that vague, generic term is supposed to mean) or perhaps you could stick to Brendel?
I'd far sooner hear a performance that sacrifices order than one that sacrifices character. You might as well criticise a beautifully phrased Chopin Nocturne for lacking in fire. It's all a matter of what is appropriate to the piece. This is a piece where 'order' should be one of the very last priorities.
Very condescending you say it as if from your "Highness's Pedestal" You the REAL musician. Wasting time with so ignorant poeple who can only Feel with TheirHeat while Thou art infused with a REAL MIND a REAL SPIRIT that really THINKS. We should thank God thatYou can bless us by spitting thine vitriolic words. I am a composer Master's of MusicMcGill, i used to be like you. Now I know better, feel better, love poeple, and I thinketh not of me as SPECIALY giftedBeingMusician+Komponist.
Isn't a little ironic that you claim you could write a book, but couldn't come up with a single point, btw?
The whole point here is that it's about playing composers in an appropriate manner. In the case of Schumann, a performer who spends all his time worrying about 'order' rather than contrast shouldn't be allowed near Schumann's music.
Why is that 'different' and why should this performance display more order? On whose authority precisely? When did Schumann complain of too little 'order' in performances of his music?
When he asks the performer to play 'as fast as possible' in his 2nd sonata (followed by 'faster still') is that part of his plan to ensure that the performer displays 'order' in their performance? Or does it suggest that he had greater priorities?
and how about the "faster still" that follows? ie faster than you do while playing with flawless synchronisation and order etc. Does that display a composer who put order before characterisation?
Very convenient that you neglected to mention that aspect of what I said, eh?
Above I tell Monsieur z. about his attitude (typically alike the grandiose "Élite" i.e. terribly snob that "travels" through the "Initiated"-class-of-"us the REAL musicians".
I know it so well ; having suffered from that "SYNDROM" in my youth. The "Enlightened one" gifted with a "6th sense-3rd eye" allowing the perception of this aesthetical-secret where ONE sees THE ORDER. I saw it to but I was blind That goodness I got my "ordinary" proletariat eyesight back.Life is so easy now
I know what you mean! I'm trying to get it back too - too much education followed by cynicism and a loss of joy. I look at people at emotional peace in life and almost laugh at how care-free one can be! Unfortunately half way through a PhD so might have to wait another year and a half before really giving just 'being' a serious shot...but it's on the cards, oh yes...and love of music will get me there as the false sciences of logic and criticism never could!
what thw hell is he doing at 1.21?
chrish12345 4 months ago
Wow! This Kreisleriana is so emotionally moving!
Fantastic!
lovemusic4913 11 months ago
schumann out of this world
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18 seconds ago Mikhail Vasilievich Pletnev, founder of the Russian National Orchestra, was charged Tuesday with rape of young boys in Thailand....No smoke without fire....This is a dirty bastard pianist artist who prey on vulnerable young and poor boys in Asia. Hell to him and his performances! He deserves to rot in hell!
poiuy877 1 year ago
I have never heard kreisleriana played so beautifully
luky46 1 year ago 13
@luky46 argerich les joue superbement aussi
arnoroch 1 year ago
@luky46 Listen to Horowitz's 1985 recording.
TheRedArmy10 3 months ago
Not so sure about the other aspects of this performance, but that fast mid section of the Sehr Rasch with the quickly descending lower neighbor tone sequence is executed quite superbly.
musicalidea 1 year ago
Wow! The fugato section is insanely fast!
Grigor99 2 years ago
this not a steinway but ???a inspirered performance!!
12345qazx1 2 years ago
great performance!
stefthe80 2 years ago
1. I wonder if all those Schumann's writings have been translated into English? What about his musical journal he founded? Do you know all he said about music and the performance about his own?
2. I disliked you say that Schumann was a schizophrenic. There was a time when his illness appeared, he suffered it for years. But he was not ill from childhood, and even in years of illness he had lucid times and composed music. I think you cannot define his music as that of a crazy person.
silverbud 2 years ago
but he was schizophrenic... he was - and there are many "crazy" genius who are still capable of composing wondrous and beautiful art. Horowitz was bi-polar, but ev1 luvs him to death, no one can play like him thats for certain
fortissimo25 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
Understand what?
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
and the piece is supposed to be an example of 'order'?
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
In your opinion perhaps. Not in mine. Ordered pieces require order. Disordered pieces require disorder.
I cannot think of anything more inappropriate than an excessively 'ordered' Kreisleriana. Never mind the fact that Schumann was a schizophrenic, or the fact that the wrote a such a wild and rhapsodic piece, heh? Let's do all we can to make it sound 'normal'!
wayneredhart 2 years ago
Incidentally, do you honestly have no idea about the absurd contradiction within the statement?
We ARE talking about the piece, whether you like it, for it IS a highly erratic piece of music. Have you ever heard of Florestan and Eusbius? You seriouslu think that's all about 'order'? If you prefer a performance that does not reflect the wild music that Schumann wrote, you haven't the first idea about what this piece is all about.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
Excuse, but you forgot to provide a single rational reason why a crazy composer who spoke of his two utterly contrasted personalities and wrote music that displayed these crazy contrasts should not be played in a crazy way.
If you're going to argue this, at least make an effort...
If you don't like the kind of disorder that Schumann did then tough shit. Not everyone is going to sanitize it for you in their performances.
You didn't respond to my question about the 'rules'.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
If you live in the belief that "order" is one of the most important qualities to display when performing Schumann's music, please keep your book on hold. Obviously you haven't got the faintest idea about what Schumann's music is about.
If you want a clue as to what really matters, try mulling over the concepts of "characterisation" and "contrast".
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
No, I'm a professional piano teacher. Obviously I teach standard things such as following a score. However, I do not subscribe to narrow minded ways of thinking that assume that 'order' always comes before characterisation- especially not in Schumann!
wayneredhart 2 years ago
Perhaps Pletnev could indeed play one of Schumann's most frantic pieces with more 'order' (whatever that vague, generic term is supposed to mean) or perhaps you could stick to Brendel?
I'd far sooner hear a performance that sacrifices order than one that sacrifices character. You might as well criticise a beautifully phrased Chopin Nocturne for lacking in fire. It's all a matter of what is appropriate to the piece. This is a piece where 'order' should be one of the very last priorities.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
@zirianos
Very condescending you say it as if from your "Highness's Pedestal" You the REAL musician. Wasting time with so ignorant poeple who can only Feel with TheirHeat while Thou art infused with a REAL MIND a REAL SPIRIT that really THINKS. We should thank God thatYou can bless us by spitting thine vitriolic words. I am a composer Master's of MusicMcGill, i used to be like you. Now I know better, feel better, love poeple, and I thinketh not of me as SPECIALY giftedBeingMusician+Komponist.
gutpatch 2 years ago
Isn't a little ironic that you claim you could write a book, but couldn't come up with a single point, btw?
The whole point here is that it's about playing composers in an appropriate manner. In the case of Schumann, a performer who spends all his time worrying about 'order' rather than contrast shouldn't be allowed near Schumann's music.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
So, please tell us more about the 'rules' for playing Schumann.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
Why is that 'different' and why should this performance display more order? On whose authority precisely? When did Schumann complain of too little 'order' in performances of his music?
When he asks the performer to play 'as fast as possible' in his 2nd sonata (followed by 'faster still') is that part of his plan to ensure that the performer displays 'order' in their performance? Or does it suggest that he had greater priorities?
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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zirianos 2 years ago
and how about the "faster still" that follows? ie faster than you do while playing with flawless synchronisation and order etc. Does that display a composer who put order before characterisation?
Very convenient that you neglected to mention that aspect of what I said, eh?
wayneredhart 2 years ago
@wayneredhart
Above I tell Monsieur z. about his attitude (typically alike the grandiose "Élite" i.e. terribly snob that "travels" through the "Initiated"-class-of-"us the REAL musicians".
I know it so well ; having suffered from that "SYNDROM" in my youth. The "Enlightened one" gifted with a "6th sense-3rd eye" allowing the perception of this aesthetical-secret where ONE sees THE ORDER. I saw it to but I was blind That goodness I got my "ordinary" proletariat eyesight back.Life is so easy now
gutpatch 2 years ago
@gutpatch
I know what you mean! I'm trying to get it back too - too much education followed by cynicism and a loss of joy. I look at people at emotional peace in life and almost laugh at how care-free one can be! Unfortunately half way through a PhD so might have to wait another year and a half before really giving just 'being' a serious shot...but it's on the cards, oh yes...and love of music will get me there as the false sciences of logic and criticism never could!
thisismymoniker 1 year ago
a new mark is setting!
klausknulp 2 years ago
outstanding....
nikolaimedtner 3 years ago
Play great, as always. Can you post 1-6? I look forward to it.
galendewagen 3 years ago
Many thanks, again for this; brings back great memories.
Florestan11 3 years ago
it is similar to Marthas. they should team up more often. imagine them playing Rach. symphonic Dances?
chad410 3 years ago