you only need 2 volts to create electrolisis of water so having alarge number of seperate cell in series is more efficent use of power.Reduce the resistance by increasing the surface arear of the electrodes and in close proximinity to each other all the best
I hate to say it but its a bad designs... only because the gas that would be forming isnt.
You need to create spaces between the plates,washer,cups etc...
without this you have no production at all.
Stainless center bolt... chuck it...go plastic...
next i would look into washer cell designs or cup designs I have tons....
the best way to get on the right path to good cells are check out others and make your own.... if you have questions let me know... more that happy to answer them or help
stronglungs, you have about8 gaps?? 12.9/8=1.6125 volts,,,,,your right on the border, try about 1.8 volts per gap......much beter production I think.....let me know.
try reducing the number of neutral plates as from what I could see you have 8 neutral washers to the left and 6 to the right
try 4 neutrals each side P!!!!N!!!!P negative always moves to positive so use a heavy wire on your negative to carry maximum amps and I don't like your chances for reducing the amps as your clip is titled everything comes into play... voltage(A)+Amps(A)+(Cell=No.of plates, size of plates, Capacitance of Cell)+electrolyte = HHO production rated in MMW
No [yourfirstmate].. 304-SS is chemically inert to the Electrolysis process, like Platinum..
And [stronglungs].. [yourfirstmate] is right about the order.. but you really need to study "Stan Meyer's" _W.F.C._ more, because you're just jogging in place if you don't study at least the basics of the electronics first..
And though your Cell is tailored tits and fukn tough,
a thousand people are watching you bro, be the one that's right... hoorah... *Xy; ..Major, out...
go to 1:40 and skip forward a tiny bit and it will skip back to 1:40. keep on repeating that and you will notice that he says "tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah"
See my channel. I have no confidence in neutral plates. output is directly prportional to power input. The best you can hope for is to avoid wasted energy .
In order to get higher production of gas, every other washer should be a larger washer. All of the larger washers should be connected in parallel by a SS bar. The smaller washers must contact a SS rod going through the center, i.e. pressed on to the rod, Small washers will be positively charged, large washers will be negatively charged.
2 and 4 are not words, Besides First law of thermodynamics calls bullshit on the whole electrolosis waterfuel experiments anyways so the whole things just a waste of time.
Negative, neutral, Positive, Neutral, Negative, repeat process til you hit your multiples. The current flow from + to - and if there is a dead plae between that is suppose to be a key to higher production.
You have to jump each + to + and each - to - bit you gotta use ss wire and weld them to each washer plate field which without a MIG/TIG welder and SS wire, your screwed.
make all plates insulated from each other. plastic may deteriorate over time, so use nylon bolt/washers.
Essentially plate size is all important. It's about surface area. What you are creating is a huge capacitor in these HHO cells, & conductivity through the water. The number of points where the water meets the plates makes all the difference. The plates in between also act as voltage drops in a series circuit, & so get a voltage across them from the current flow. They facilitate the conduction better than water does, so become part of the circuit.
1. Use nylon washers to space the SS washers (about 1/3 the size of the SS washers)
2. Use nylon bolt to hold all of the washers together, get rid of the metal bolt
3. Instead of the hose clamps, get some ss plates, cut them into strips, wide enough to slip over the centre nyon bolt, and long enough to connect wires to the other end, and use a strip for every washer you want to polarize. You can off set the strips into a "V" pattern, and use bolts to link them
lolz! nuetral plates...if it doesn't have a positive/neg. then current wont conduct to it.
u must have a negative and positive. in this video. there is none. u have them both hooked up to each other. So basically it'll generate heat. and could electrocute u. neg needs to be separate from positive in someway or you close the connections, short them, or otherwise electrolosysis does not take place, the current does not pass thru water..instead goes thru and arond the washers and clamps.
Really what you should try first is using a higher voltage. The voltage gets divided by every gap, so IF you used say a 12volt battery (i counted 8 gaps from you cell in the video but its not very clear) the voltage over each individual gap is 12v/8gaps = 1.5v. This simply isnt near enough, the voltage across a gap must be aleast 2.1v for electrolysis to take place. Try connecting 3x 12v batteries in series, that will give you 32volts. 32v/8gaps = 4volts across each gap.
heck im still trying to figure out neg / pos neutral with this blew my hand off 2 times now back to 2 plates and works great anybody have a dang way to do this how the hell just frustrated so easy but yet so painfull
I bet you go online and do a spell check of your local newspaper because you need to be right ,no i ment crystal drian opener .Cotains sodium hydroxide (caustic Soda)and Sodium Nitrate .what part of crystal drain opener did you not understand
YES neutral plates do produce gas its in Smack booster design .18 plates with 12 neutral plates produce 2lpm of gas broke in don't say they don't because they do they absorb electricity form the other charged plates.
You really should get way more production just simply switching the wires and allowing two positive and center negitive and try to space out just a bit more if you do this please update me im willing to bet that production goes up dramatically .
Would you consider using all of the washers on a single bolt using them all as either neg or pos and dropping it into a ss pipe(not touching the edge of course) and attaching the other side of your circuit to it?
PUT THE NEGAITVE WIRE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE POSATIVES ON THE OUTER TWO, ANY STEEL IS GOOD, YOUR SPACING IS TOO CLOSE THE BUBBLES CANT ESCAPE. Bubbles block the flow of more water to the areas the hdrogen is formed, I hope this helps.
i have an idea on how to wire these thanks to coogrrrr but i'm gonna have to get some better spacers and it will require some thinking and working but please see my other video
inside a 2" pvc pipe, i use a group of ss washers like you have except, they are surrounded by a ss sleeve, not touching themselves, of course, since the washers are cathode and the sleeve is the anode.
i would imagine with this many ss washers i would of seen better performance but never give up i'm gonna try everything i have moved on to another project but my washers still wait for a final fate
hey, I've started a project using nickels. They're a nickel a piece and if you arange them in a circular triad format, they stack well and give you a surface area of 1.5 to 2.0 inches. clamp them well before bolting. Triads are not my idea. Using them for electrolysis is. They are nonmagnetic(iron) so the water that is brown will be reduced. I haven't tried this so I can't vouch for my theory
"how long will that 18v battery run one of your units i have heard of it but how do you hook it up to your cell "
You may not have the 'nut' that you put a clamp onto like a car battery hook up, but it is still very possible, just find a way to hook your wire's up to the positive and negative of the battery. If it's flat to the plastic, you probably wouldn't kill it trying to bend them out to wrap a wire around the lead.
if you can then do this the center should touch every third washer but not the other 2 solder every third washer together to form the positive Anode. Let every third washer touch center post. Now you have 1+ 1- 1n 1+ 1- 1n on and on. The post is the negative contact touch washers numbered 2,4,6,8,10 the solderered ones are not touch center 1,3,5,7,9 the last set touch nothing no + not center - just dead neutral. NOW you have multiple cells and you can run them with 12v 15amp likely. text me.
this is an awsome idea coogrrr i was stumpped at first i guess i'm kinda slow so i had to read it a few times and i see what your saying thats gonna take some detail and some good work and effort i'm gonna try i'm not good with soldering but i do have a cold heat solder gun i have been dying to use :) thanks for the idea again
Kinda like SmartScarecrow said. You dont have enough voltage to run it. If you use more then 7 or so plates/washer/tubes in series then you need more voltage. You want about 2volts each, so if you have 13 washers each side the you need about 26v. So either remove washers or add voltage.
yes i'm gonna try that sscrow hydro i didn't wrap the center with tape but i did make sure that it would not touch and i sanded all the washers down before i used them but i'm gonna call it a nite i'm getting a bit tired and this cell is winning the battle for now but i will try sscrow's idea n the morning and see what we get thanks for all the help and ideas guys
I like the idea you got goin. Negative in the middle? I think try running the hell out of it on and off changing the water and output might get better. Once the cell washers get clean you shouldnt touch it. I have a setup with spoons and I touched one on purpose to test this and it wont show in a vid but I can still see where I touched, no gas there.
I agree you should have gotten some modest production with the setup you are using. its not really a "series" type cell as such because the current flow should wrap rigth around your neutral washers as if they were not even there. this because there is no edge seal.
of course, there is considerable distance to bridge for it to get from neg to pos. you might slim it down a bit so there is not more than 4 washers seperating the neg and pos electrodes. see if that gets it working.
you only need 2 volts to create electrolisis of water so having alarge number of seperate cell in series is more efficent use of power.Reduce the resistance by increasing the surface arear of the electrodes and in close proximinity to each other all the best
0987654321mnbvcxzmor 9 months ago
try using a nylon bolt
cricketol 1 year ago
here's an idea , go smoke up some more shit and then make another video...
novachevyguy 1 year ago
I can't see what or how you have spaced the electrodes.
There are no gaps between the plates for the produced HHO gas free movement. See other plate designs showing produced gas movement flowing.
MaanJattFarms 1 year ago
if the bolt is ss then he will short the power.
use a plastic bolt.
spaan14 1 year ago
stainless screen wire stacked and spaced then rolled up like a cigarette, less amps more hho, best i have ever made, awesome results!!!
TheBrittBoy 2 years ago
I hate to say it but its a bad designs... only because the gas that would be forming isnt.
You need to create spaces between the plates,washer,cups etc...
without this you have no production at all.
Stainless center bolt... chuck it...go plastic...
next i would look into washer cell designs or cup designs I have tons....
the best way to get on the right path to good cells are check out others and make your own.... if you have questions let me know... more that happy to answer them or help
RisingSun350 3 years ago
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motaz01 3 years ago
stronglungs, you have about8 gaps?? 12.9/8=1.6125 volts,,,,,your right on the border, try about 1.8 volts per gap......much beter production I think.....let me know.
ppfeifdog 3 years ago
3/16 th of an inch is the correct space between the washers...not less...more is ok..but not less
travelinmann 3 years ago
try reducing the number of neutral plates as from what I could see you have 8 neutral washers to the left and 6 to the right
try 4 neutrals each side P!!!!N!!!!P negative always moves to positive so use a heavy wire on your negative to carry maximum amps and I don't like your chances for reducing the amps as your clip is titled everything comes into play... voltage(A)+Amps(A)+(Cell=No.of plates, size of plates, Capacitance of Cell)+electrolyte = HHO production rated in MMW
WolfVecho 3 years ago
Hello unclemilty here,you might also try positive on both ends and you negitive in the middle,I like to use neutrals.
pos,neutral,neg,neutral,pos,neutral,neg,neutral,pos.
with 1/16 nylon spacers.....please use 316L S.S. Good Luck
yourfirstmate 3 years ago
No [yourfirstmate].. 304-SS is chemically inert to the Electrolysis process, like Platinum..
And [stronglungs].. [yourfirstmate] is right about the order.. but you really need to study "Stan Meyer's" _W.F.C._ more, because you're just jogging in place if you don't study at least the basics of the electronics first..
And though your Cell is tailored tits and fukn tough,
a thousand people are watching you bro, be the one that's right... hoorah... *Xy; ..Major, out...
MajorUtah 3 years ago
go to 1:40 and skip forward a tiny bit and it will skip back to 1:40. keep on repeating that and you will notice that he says "tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah,tu-ga-nah"
carrierpilot1357 3 years ago
See my channel. I have no confidence in neutral plates. output is directly prportional to power input. The best you can hope for is to avoid wasted energy .
mymessagetomark 3 years ago
In order to get higher production of gas, every other washer should be a larger washer. All of the larger washers should be connected in parallel by a SS bar. The smaller washers must contact a SS rod going through the center, i.e. pressed on to the rod, Small washers will be positively charged, large washers will be negatively charged.
artman102 3 years ago
you'r 2 stupid 4 this stuff ,buy one from sumbudie
curtis742 3 years ago
2 and 4 are not words, Besides First law of thermodynamics calls bullshit on the whole electrolosis waterfuel experiments anyways so the whole things just a waste of time.
Lokivoid 3 years ago
Try [flat] beer instead of water.
BaseStationZero 3 years ago
Negative, neutral, Positive, Neutral, Negative, repeat process til you hit your multiples. The current flow from + to - and if there is a dead plae between that is suppose to be a key to higher production.
You have to jump each + to + and each - to - bit you gotta use ss wire and weld them to each washer plate field which without a MIG/TIG welder and SS wire, your screwed.
make all plates insulated from each other. plastic may deteriorate over time, so use nylon bolt/washers.
slometal64 3 years ago
Essentially plate size is all important. It's about surface area. What you are creating is a huge capacitor in these HHO cells, & conductivity through the water. The number of points where the water meets the plates makes all the difference. The plates in between also act as voltage drops in a series circuit, & so get a voltage across them from the current flow. They facilitate the conduction better than water does, so become part of the circuit.
Research Capacitors & u will see same design keys
ZenArrow 3 years ago
Some possible suggestions:
1. Use nylon washers to space the SS washers (about 1/3 the size of the SS washers)
2. Use nylon bolt to hold all of the washers together, get rid of the metal bolt
3. Instead of the hose clamps, get some ss plates, cut them into strips, wide enough to slip over the centre nyon bolt, and long enough to connect wires to the other end, and use a strip for every washer you want to polarize. You can off set the strips into a "V" pattern, and use bolts to link them
BeProGT 3 years ago
ok, im going to assume that this is only part of your unit, ie separate pos & neg posts (ie cathode & anode)!
* Use PURE silicon washers between each plate to insulate them from each other!
oh and make sure its 316SS thats been demagnitised!
otherwise good luck!
wheyez 3 years ago
What is this for and how did you make it? Please varify your comments in the video so us know what your doing.
AkinaGod 3 years ago
Search for HHO fuel cells on YouTube, see ZeroFossilFuel's channel and UnityEnergy has links to many more.
ZenArrow 3 years ago
lolz! nuetral plates...if it doesn't have a positive/neg. then current wont conduct to it.
u must have a negative and positive. in this video. there is none. u have them both hooked up to each other. So basically it'll generate heat. and could electrocute u. neg needs to be separate from positive in someway or you close the connections, short them, or otherwise electrolosysis does not take place, the current does not pass thru water..instead goes thru and arond the washers and clamps.
>1.5vwrx
pazsion 3 years ago
i really think you are shorting some where ..take it all to bits and try again
Dragonstud 3 years ago
the bolt can not touch the washers in the center or you are just shorting out.
plumberdaniel 3 years ago
just switch your connections
jaman0083 3 years ago
Really what you should try first is using a higher voltage. The voltage gets divided by every gap, so IF you used say a 12volt battery (i counted 8 gaps from you cell in the video but its not very clear) the voltage over each individual gap is 12v/8gaps = 1.5v. This simply isnt near enough, the voltage across a gap must be aleast 2.1v for electrolysis to take place. Try connecting 3x 12v batteries in series, that will give you 32volts. 32v/8gaps = 4volts across each gap.
paloperse 3 years ago
heck im still trying to figure out neg / pos neutral with this blew my hand off 2 times now back to 2 plates and works great anybody have a dang way to do this how the hell just frustrated so easy but yet so painfull
appregios 3 years ago
use crystal drain opener , baking soda sucks ,one teaspoon per liter of water
SMARTER0THAN0YOU 3 years ago
you mean Sodium Hydroxide! NaOH
wheyez 3 years ago
I bet you go online and do a spell check of your local newspaper because you need to be right ,no i ment crystal drian opener .Cotains sodium hydroxide (caustic Soda)and Sodium Nitrate .what part of crystal drain opener did you not understand
SMARTER0THAN0YOU 3 years ago
my goodness what a retard you've turned out to be!
Well shall i start with your spelling?
anyway, what part of the chemical process do you not understand? Your drain cleaner works because it has Sodium Hydroxide in it!!!
You will get much better results with pure NaOH! So no your notsmaterthanme! :)
wheyez 3 years ago
you can find ss bolt up to 5"x1/4"(i think!) at depot.
you make all that group of washers negative and surround them with a ss sleeve, in cpvc tube(regular pvc does not stand the high temperature)
pgpeachess 3 years ago
did anyone try or can we use any nonoxidizing metal for such setups ? brass for eg ?
tolgautube 3 years ago
nutral plates do nothing as for making gas i would make the washers a bit farther apart an make 1/2 or a little more - an the rest +an away you go
nimps777 3 years ago
YES neutral plates do produce gas its in Smack booster design .18 plates with 12 neutral plates produce 2lpm of gas broke in don't say they don't because they do they absorb electricity form the other charged plates.
Vistal1 3 years ago
You really should get way more production just simply switching the wires and allowing two positive and center negitive and try to space out just a bit more if you do this please update me im willing to bet that production goes up dramatically .
rcain83 3 years ago
what you have done is made 2 neg plates 1 pos plate and a large space with nutral plates
fletcho11 3 years ago
Would you consider using all of the washers on a single bolt using them all as either neg or pos and dropping it into a ss pipe(not touching the edge of course) and attaching the other side of your circuit to it?
shadowdo 3 years ago
PUT THE NEGAITVE WIRE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE POSATIVES ON THE OUTER TWO, ANY STEEL IS GOOD, YOUR SPACING IS TOO CLOSE THE BUBBLES CANT ESCAPE. Bubbles block the flow of more water to the areas the hdrogen is formed, I hope this helps.
MINIBNRR 3 years ago
use a stailess steel nut
alpha0mega1 3 years ago
throw that in the trash....get rid of the zip ties.....
goturtlepoop 3 years ago
Use a tub as the outer,use it as -+
1hydrotec1 3 years ago
To much neutral absorb the performance.
josejir 3 years ago
i have an idea on how to wire these thanks to coogrrrr but i'm gonna have to get some better spacers and it will require some thinking and working but please see my other video
stronglungs 3 years ago
inside a 2" pvc pipe, i use a group of ss washers like you have except, they are surrounded by a ss sleeve, not touching themselves, of course, since the washers are cathode and the sleeve is the anode.
pgpeachess 3 years ago
i would imagine with this many ss washers i would of seen better performance but never give up i'm gonna try everything i have moved on to another project but my washers still wait for a final fate
stronglungs 3 years ago
The center bolt cannot be steel.
carbednotch 3 years ago
i get better production out of a 18v rechargeable cordless drill battery than a 12 auto battery .
LinuxUser269 3 years ago
it's all about the volts and not amps; Stanley Meyer was using 50v(with the help of a transformer)with his system.
pgpeachess 3 years ago
how long will that 18v battery run one of your units i have heard of it but how do you hook it up to your cell
stronglungs 3 years ago
i hook it up with my fingers and hold it .
as for duration prob about 10 to 15 min. .
LinuxUser269 3 years ago
hey, I've started a project using nickels. They're a nickel a piece and if you arange them in a circular triad format, they stack well and give you a surface area of 1.5 to 2.0 inches. clamp them well before bolting. Triads are not my idea. Using them for electrolysis is. They are nonmagnetic(iron) so the water that is brown will be reduced. I haven't tried this so I can't vouch for my theory
cribcat1 3 years ago
yo cribcat1 it turns your water blue green because the composition is roughly 25% nickel and 75% copper.
cribcat1 3 years ago
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@stronglungs
"how long will that 18v battery run one of your units i have heard of it but how do you hook it up to your cell "
You may not have the 'nut' that you put a clamp onto like a car battery hook up, but it is still very possible, just find a way to hook your wire's up to the positive and negative of the battery. If it's flat to the plastic, you probably wouldn't kill it trying to bend them out to wrap a wire around the lead.
spawn2882 1 year ago
if you can then do this the center should touch every third washer but not the other 2 solder every third washer together to form the positive Anode. Let every third washer touch center post. Now you have 1+ 1- 1n 1+ 1- 1n on and on. The post is the negative contact touch washers numbered 2,4,6,8,10 the solderered ones are not touch center 1,3,5,7,9 the last set touch nothing no + not center - just dead neutral. NOW you have multiple cells and you can run them with 12v 15amp likely. text me.
Coogrrr 3 years ago
this is an awsome idea coogrrr i was stumpped at first i guess i'm kinda slow so i had to read it a few times and i see what your saying thats gonna take some detail and some good work and effort i'm gonna try i'm not good with soldering but i do have a cold heat solder gun i have been dying to use :) thanks for the idea again
stronglungs 3 years ago
please see my new video and let me know how i can go about doing this to wiring on my new cell for 12v battery or 2 of them
stronglungs 3 years ago
Kinda like SmartScarecrow said. You dont have enough voltage to run it. If you use more then 7 or so plates/washer/tubes in series then you need more voltage. You want about 2volts each, so if you have 13 washers each side the you need about 26v. So either remove washers or add voltage.
hooptejoe 4 years ago
yes i'm gonna try that sscrow hydro i didn't wrap the center with tape but i did make sure that it would not touch and i sanded all the washers down before i used them but i'm gonna call it a nite i'm getting a bit tired and this cell is winning the battle for now but i will try sscrow's idea n the morning and see what we get thanks for all the help and ideas guys
stronglungs 4 years ago
Also did tyou wrap the center bolt with electric tape where the zipties are?
HydroMofo 4 years ago
I like the idea you got goin. Negative in the middle? I think try running the hell out of it on and off changing the water and output might get better. Once the cell washers get clean you shouldnt touch it. I have a setup with spoons and I touched one on purpose to test this and it wont show in a vid but I can still see where I touched, no gas there.
HydroMofo 4 years ago
ok thanks i'm working on wiring it up right now i just wanted to check in and see if anyone has given me any better ideas
stronglungs 4 years ago
I agree you should have gotten some modest production with the setup you are using. its not really a "series" type cell as such because the current flow should wrap rigth around your neutral washers as if they were not even there. this because there is no edge seal.
of course, there is considerable distance to bridge for it to get from neg to pos. you might slim it down a bit so there is not more than 4 washers seperating the neg and pos electrodes. see if that gets it working.
SmartScarecrow 4 years ago