California's Budget Mess

[lolocaust15]

What's with the trailer trash intro? Lol. That made my day. Kept imagining Cletus.

[DifangDuana]

@wyecee

WTF are you talking about? Idiots like you are, in fact, the real inferior race.

[disturbed341]

Thankt the conservaturds in both houses and bush for this shit that has happened in this country .They gave big tax breaks to the rich and let wall st run wild vote all the conservaturds out.

[garybsg]

I pay almost 9% in sales tax, 10% in state income tax, $450 in car license tax, utility tax, gas tax, property tax, phone tax, business tax, etc. This is only 1 penny, it must be new math. Utter bullshit, Unions own this state and I'm moving to Nevada in October. Goodbye socialist hell.

[Malbrojia]

@garybsg I hear you, but Nevada isn't so hot either... 14.4% unemployment as of 8/10. Only Nevada and Michigan have CA beat in terms of unemployment. Hell is going to be a universal phenomenon i'm afraid. 

[garybsg]

@eduTouY Well my socialist friend you are wrong on every count. 1. California is not the place it once was. California has the highest migration rate in country behind socialist New York. I work in high tech in Los Angeles and I have watched companies by the hundreds relocate to Texas(which created 50% of all the jobs in the US last year). The education system is dying, property values are falling, industry is leaving and middle class is fleeing. Keep believing that this is 1970. Good luck

[eduTouY]

@garybsg Your points are all valid. And I admire your focus on evidence. I completely agree with your premises as well as your ultimate conclusion that California has declined in many ways since 1970. I have examined the evidence and you are correct. I don't see evidence to suggest that California meets the definition of a socialist state, even though it has many socialistic attributes similar to the other 49 states. Texas is an interesting case that warrants proper examination by economists.

[garybsg]

@eduTouY I find it sad that California has declined because it is a beautiful state. It is not difficult to understand why: taxes and freedom. 10% sales tax highest in the nation and going higher, taxes on utilities, phone, property,business. My car license cost me $400. The list goes on and on. The worst part is California's problem is not just from the economy but it's structural. As it tries to tax more and more, the middle class moves out faster. Sad. 

[wentafew]

@garybsg You're an idiot. Did you even watch the video. Taxes are lower now than in the past, especially for the top percentile. Car license fees have been reduced which didn't meet with inflation. Where do you pay 10% sales tax? Are you sure your county isn't taking must of that you dumbass? My sales tax in CA Central Valley is 8.375%

Did you not see the graph where we pay over double for criminal justice, a.k.a incarceration of criminals. Fucking morons.

[garybsg]

@wentafew In Union City and El Cerrito, the sales tax rate will rise to 10.25 percent, among the highest in the nine county San Francisco Bay Area. South Gate, a city in Los Angeles County, holds the distinction of charging the state’s highest sales tax rate at 10.75 percent, according to the California Board of Equalization. Car license taxes have been reduced????? What fucking state are you living in? It ain't California

[wentafew]

@garybsg You fucking idiot, that's not the state. It's the county taking the extra Tax. Check Stanislaus County and you will see it is well under 10. Arnie lowered or prevented an increase in car license fees. The real expense depends on your car and probably county. I paid $115.00 for my yearly registration a month ago. That is hardly outrageous, and I don't make a lot of money.

Whiny little bitch.

[garybsg]

@wentafew You know what how can I argue? You're right California is lowering taxes everywhere. So please explain why 62,000 companies left the state and took 1,234,465,000 jobs. Why did state of California set up a special commission to address high taxes and exodus of business? Maybe you could help me with this?

PS: Don't know what kind of car you have but I paid $400 for license renewal. $400 for the same plate I could buy at a tourist shop for $1.99. :)

[wentafew]

@garybsg I didn't say they were lowering them, I said they weren't raising them. While this is only a guess, I am sure businesses left because the ENTIRE economy country wide was affected. Many businesses downsized, relocated or consolidated. It wasn't due to taxes. I drive a 98 Grand Jeep Cherokee. 115.00 registration fees. are you sure your county isn't adding on??

[garybsg]

@wentafew sorry but there is a wall of data showing taxes driving out both business and middle class tax-paying individuals. Number one is Michigan as the worse, New York and California. Texas, Utah, Arizona, Nevada are prime destinations. Here something to think about: If tax rates were 10% in 1900 and 10% in 2010, did taxes go up? Taxes exploded. In 1900, 10% of 10 million dollar economy is 1 million bucks. In 2010, 10% of 2 TRILLION economy is 200 billion an enormous growth rate 2000 times

[wentafew]

@garybsg Fantastic logic.... sheeeeesh...

[garybsg]

@eduTouY Complete nonsense. What makes a place wonderful is freedom, not "free" education, not "free" welfare, not "free" food stamps, not "free" tuition for illegal aliens etc. All of that is money stolen from the middle and upper class for this "free" socialist paradise. Guess what, the middle and upper class are tired of paying for all this "free" stuff.

[eduTouY]

@garybsg What is freedom if not the right to acquire an eduction? When university tuition is unaffordable, eduction is only a right for the upper-class, which explains the dramatic education disparity between social classes in California and the US as a whole. If a single mother earning minimum wage can't send her kids to university to have a better future, then what freedom are you speaking of? Freedom for the rich to get richer while the poor stay poor? If that's freedom, f*ck freedom.

[garybsg]

@eduTouY Education is not a right, nor is housing, healthcare or cherry pie. Rights are "right to life", the right to "freedom" and the right to "property". No one has the "right" to take your life, liberty or property. The Declaration of Independence spells this out clearly. The idea that if citizen A (single mom) makes poor decisions (lots of kids), the government can forcibly take the property of citizen B to pay for them. Is this your definition of freedom?

[eduTouY]

@garybsg The United States is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which explicitly declares education a universal human right. Furthermore, primary education is compulsory under the state law of all 50 US states. Life, liberty, and property, on the other hand, are not compulsory in any state. Try to ground your argument on something relevant (i.e. statutory, constitutional, or case law. The Declaration of Independence, unfortunately, is not recognized under US law.

[garybsg]

@eduTouY I ground my arguments in the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence which is founding philosophy of America. Those are the highest documents of the nation. The protection of Life, liberty and property is core essence of the founding of our nation. You need to take a American history class.

[eduTouY]

@garybsg Now THAT is a solid argument. You are very right in saying the DOI reflects the philosophy that America was founded upon. I truly appreciate the civility of your response. We've had a healthy intellectual exchange and I value your insights even though I may not agree with all of them. Forgive me if came across as rude at any point. You have gained my respect with your well-articulated arguments delivered with unwavering decency. I sincerely wish everyone on YouTube would learn from you.

[garybsg]

@eduTouY The sign of losing a debate is start insulting instead of responding. So which documents are more supreme then the US Constitution and the DOI. I'm waiting for your most educated an answer.

[eduTouY]

The constitution is, of course, the "supreme law" of the US. And the DOI is philosophically significant. The philosophy of a nation, however, is often distant from the reality. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do indeed define the core values of America...and every other nation of Earth, for that matter. What truly defines a nation, however, is quality of life. From that perspective, California--and America as a whole--have been on the decline since the 1970s.

[garybsg]

The quality of life is not the standard of a nation. If a nation could have a better quality of life by stealing money or killing people, would this be a good nation? The US is the only nation in the world and in the history of the world built on the an idea: human dignity through freedom. Islamic nations are built on submission to Allah, Communist nations submission to the state, European nations submission to the greater good, America is in decline because our freedom is in decline.

[caffingdu]

@garybsg at the very least, everyone should have equal OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life. We need ease of social mobility. We cannot bar the lower class from ever having any hope of having the comforts of the upper class. For ease of social mobility and equal opportunity, you MUST have education as a right for all people who want it and have the ability and the determination to work for and earn a degree.

[garybsg]

@caffingdu So if citizen A has a short coming (needs education, housing, etc), you are willing to take (tax) citizen B to compensate his needs. You are willing undermine freedom(freedom for Citizen B to keep his property) and undermine justice( he did not cause citizen A's problem but must pay for it) Anytime you give a man something he did not earn, you teach envy and laziness. Poverty is not about money (the average kid in a college dorm makes minimum wage), it is about values.

[caffingdu]

@garybsg If citizen A needs education, healthcare, etc, then yes I am willing to take from wealthy citizen B. Citizen B has a social duty, and if he will not fulfill it the people will make him. Call it socialism, call it stealing, call it undermining freedom. I don't care what you call it, or what twist it to be. I call it a more fair a just world, where anybody willing to work hard can have just as many opportunities as the spoiled lazy children of rich parents.

[caffingdu]

@garybsg And I don't understand your point about poverty being "not about money" and then mentioning that the average kid in college makes minimum wage. what's your point? Most students like the little extra cash, every bit helps, but minimum wage is nowhere near enough to pay for college. If it weren't for public funding and federal and state grants then those in poverty would not have the opportunity to get an education. and those in poverty still have much more to overcome than just finances

[garybsg]

@caffingdu Ok, then explain how poor Americans got educated before federal funding?

BTW I am one of those poor Americans along with my wife who got through college without federal help. So please explain how we couldn't do it without government help. I'm waiting

[frankiebaby725]

Arnold let Liberals and unions walk all over him, thats why California is broke. Texas should teach California about how pass a budget, Texas gets it, California doesn't

[spudaso]

just a symptom of the boxer-feinstein syndrome

[wyecee]

Is this the Mexican's fault? If California was a white state like most other states, would there be these issues?

[ticks4ticks4]

Good question! Go into any California "welfare" office (Dept. of Social Service) and see how many MEXICANS) are in the lobby!

[n8iveidiot13]

@wyecee

no it would be issue free -.- as it has always been through all these years

[brokentricycle]

California brought this problem on themselves. Arnold supported W's "undocumented worker program" which encouraged millions of illegal aliens to enter your state ( in my country) to work for sub-standard wages for long hours for the sole benefit of the grove owners and produce growers. Paying less that minimum wages, exploiting the Mexican workers while they made a handsome profit. Now you have all these illegal aliens draining your social services dry and no one saw this coming? Dumbasses!!

[ticks4ticks4]

I read somewhere online: "calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented citizen' is like calling a drug runner an 'unlicensed pharmacist' !!  (By the way, I give your comment a "THUMBS UP"!)

[BeyondTheSpectrum08]

Conservative Republicans are always calling for limited taxes. California is what happens when governments have limited tax income and no fiscal restraint...Conservative Republicans should consider it a conservative ideological utopia (but of course, they will find a way to blame this train wreck on others).

[Joe402]

Thanks for ruining California conservatives and selfish "fuck you got mine" anti-tax types..

[rollinbluntsallday]

wow a 26 billion dollar deficit? how the hell could the terminator let that happen? oh wait the better question is how the hell could the citizens of california elect the TERMINATOR for governer! 26 billion worth of baby oil and protein shakes....good job. can't wait til that big quake happens and that state drifts off into the pacific...you guys deserve it. oh ya... legalize it! you know...

[1Poostick1]

Agreed. I live in California and think to myself every morning when I wake up, "wow, the terminators our governor". I wasn't old enough to vote in that election. But come next election!

[guppyelf]

let the wet backs have it! maybe they will find a use for all the homosexuals!

[truthtellerone]

I wonder how Marjorie and the Woody Guthrie Foundation feel about your use of Woody's copyrighted song? (Hope you got permission.)

[BigBillClinton]

I think they may be in the public domain after so many years.

[DemonSkirnir]

Fair Use likely covers said use

[GomerDose]

BOOORRRING! No mention of the wetbacks?

[drgeisme]

Most of the waste in schools comes from the classified staff. The overpaid, underworked secretary's, making $20 per hours and the security who work 5 minutes per hour and pull down $15 per hour to do it. Most superintendents are overpaid also.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

the fact that higher ed only receives 16% should tell everyone what the problem is.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

that's pretty stupid. unions suck.

[stanleythughes]

Of course they may have held taxes constant, but increased fees as away to get around prop 13.

[rw5791]

CA will just have to give up it's statehood and become obama's bitch.The main thing is for the benefits to continue flowing to the illegal immigrant community.

[Icling2gunsnGod]

Vote no on 1a - 1f. No more tax $ for the dirty politicians in BOTH parties, teachers unions, state workers unions, illegal aliens and the greedy corporate whores who hire them for cheep labor, welfare whores, and all the other freeloaders in the state who think the the taxpayers owe them a free ride from cradle to grave.

[buggsy2]

In other words, the neo-conservatives have caused almost all of California's budget problems...just as they have on the national level. Can we put all the neocons into Texas and cut them loose?

[dansilverberg]

That is some wishful thinking, buggsy.

[AikidoSaintTKE]

Interesting how California is known as one of the most liberal states in the Union. I don't see Texas going bankrupt, do you? Interesting how the facts expose the truth. Socialism is doomed to failure, if you make your bed, then you must lay in it.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

texas is also a religious nutjob state. I'd rather be broke and sane than a well off religious psychotic.

[AikidoSaintTKE]

That's another problem in and of itself. I was talking about economics. Wanna stick to the subject at hand? Proof is in the pudding.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

hey bitch, I'll talk about whatever I want. if you don't like it or have a wild hair up your ass and think you should be some kind of forum moderator than leave. what I said is true and stick by that. now fuck off.

[AikidoSaintTKE]

It just shows you are incapable of following the basics of debate and logic, that's all. You can talk about what ever you choose but your comment to my comment has no bearing and is therefore meaningless, same as you.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

blow me

[AikidoSaintTKE]

No.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

I didn't present it as a choice did I?

[AikidoSaintTKE]

There again. An amazing level of ignorance. There is always a choice. If that were not the case there would be a large number of people having sexual relations with themselves due to what I've told them. And what I'm telling you now.

[rudeawakeningxxx]

lmao. u take everything seriously. ajsdhgaksjgagfj

[AikidoSaintTKE]

Nah. Just messin with you. I just do it in a very serious manner. ;)

Though the budget issue in Cali is a very serious issue for them and everyone else.

[eduTouY]

@AikidoSaintTKE Since when is California socialistic? Go anywhere in the world and ask people what is the most entrepreneurial free-enterprise haven on the planet? Most likely they will name Hong Kong, Singapore, or California. More Fortune 500 companies have been created in California in the last 20 years than in the other 49 states combined. 20% of US international trade passes through California. If CA was an independent country it would outperform the USA on almost any metric of development.

[boogathon]

The special interests that exempted themselves from any pain in these props are 100% to blame for the voters anger.

I will take great pleasure in voting down these self-serving money grabs.

Arnold didn't help by threatening voters with loss of firefighters. Everyone knows that is B.S. The Gov. has turned out to be a wishy-washy girlieman. What do you expect from someone with tthe education of a bricklayer?His strings are pulled by the despicable Democrats who got us into this giant mess.

[buggsy2]

You clearly didn't pay the slightest attention to the video. In fact income tax rates and the VLF have gone down, spending on prisons have gone up. It's largely caused by neocon policies.

[AikidoSaintTKE]

Arnold has a degree in International Marketing and Business Administration. He proposed the hard decisions in '04 and the people chose to not bite the bullet. Now they'll have to.

[renegadecause]

Very well done.