@Dirk...a better question is why you talk about me more than the sport of boxing on GYGB? Hell your first post on the show was dedicated to me and you havent stopped putting my name in your post...lmao.
On second thought....save it dude...cause you have the all time record for putting the nameVallaeBoy in a post.....and not vice versa....case in point....I think your name might have came up maybe once during todays p4p,NBA,soccer talk...and here I see my name...again...and again...and again.
Your name hasnt been in any of my posts....wtf? I been off for a few days and I come back to see you with Dirk Tourrettes.....lol aint shit to me. I just find it funny.
@Money, I like the list me and the boys shot back and forth over the show....my original goes as: 1)Floyd 2)Manny 3)Bernard 4) shane 5) Joe 6)JMM 7)Winky 8)Barrera 9)Morralles 10)Cotto
seeing as how I cant post on the show right now ill put my revised list here 1)Manny 2)Floyd 3)Joe 4)Bhop 5)JMM 6)Shane 7)Winky 8)Barrera 9)Morales 10)Cotto
BTW i got Khan beating Guzman at 140, i think it would be a cracking fight too with Khan just being a little to big and rangy.
Ward vs Williams i got Ward putting a boxing lesson on mr 1000, he would test PWills chin at that poundage too.
On Gamboa/Caballero...the jury is still out on both but ive seen alot more of Gamboa (including amateurs) and i think he wins a shootout around the halfway mark...possibly getting dropped himself.
Bute vs Andrade just sold out 16,000 seats in 1 hour! lol I think if Paul is serious about fighting at 168 Bute would make a very reasonable opponent given his rank, title and the fact that he's not in the super six
Gamboa by UD (I'd have Caballero beating Juanma Lopez tho)
Javier Molina was my dude as far as guys with less than 15 fights go (he's got 2 lol) but he hasnt been in the ring for a while for reason I dont know but he'll back soon and for a guy that young he's got a lot of talent....needs to bulk up a little and settle in at 147 tho
I'm actually a little offended by you asking about Guzman vs Khan lol for one it sounds like Guzman is seriosuly underrated and Khan isnt really in a position to be compared to guys like that...i think he gets toyed with at 135
@Money...I think at 140 Khan has a good chance...i just wanted to bring up a couple of fights and gauge opinion, start some debate...bit quiet on here in the aftermath of Pac/Cotto.
I guess at 140 you can make a better case but Guzman isnt at that weight...didnt he just get to 135? I mean really the only way 140 changes the fight is if Guzman somehow slows down or Khan is a little less chinny
@Dirk...yeah its true but that still a pop'n of 2 million compared to 60 lol and besides US also has more sports to put their "eggs" into than UK....they're still bigger but I think its more their boxing roots facilities and trainers that make them not their countries pop'n
@walk....I do remember you giving Ward some shine (unlike others lol). I picked him to beat Kessler but daaaaaam! Didnt expect that trashing! I always said he was the dark horse to win the whole thing, hes probably favourite now. Mighty impressive performance.
Kessler just hasnt improved at all since the Joe fight, in fact hes probably gotten worse. Straight lines, no head movement, complete inability to adjust. I think he needs a new trainer - maybe Manny Steward?
@Dirk...Yeah ive been on the Ward bandwagon for a long time now, became a fan throughout his impressive run in the amateurs, he displayed the same tremendous capability to adapt then like he does now, the kid is a born winner.
I dont think Kessler should get too disheartened, i honestly think he has been beaten by a special fighter but only time will tell on that count though of course.
...not a huge Steward fan but he does love those jab, straight right hand merchants...could work.
Yeah thats exactly what I was thinkin, Steward helped Wlad a lot with his defence. Kessler gets hit too much for me. Hes got an excellent jab but he doesnt keep guys on the end of it. You comin on the radio show tonite?
Khan beats Guzman @ 40 but not at 35. Caballero (needs more references) I got Gamboa by ko. Ward is too big and stong for Paul. I got Ward Bhopping him to a nod. Trane In fact Ward vs Dawson keeps me up all damn night trying to pick a winner lol I like Chad over 70 but under I go Ward
@Vallae....It shows what a true casual you are, other than a couple of fighters you have no overall interest in the sport, i love boxing, a great domestic fight to me is just as intriguing and exciting as ones that top the bill in vegas.
Just take your views on Andre Ward, when i was bigging him up a while back he was according to you "Garbage!" yet now he's made it he is the best thing since sliced bread...you do make me laugh...unintentionally though lol
@GYGB: But I'll say this...MLS....just like the state of British Boxing right now...is Gaaaaaaaaarbage(lol....send all complaints to my mail box...lol)
@Vallae...Shows how much you know, the sport of boxing in Britain is thriving at grass roots level, the prizefighter series has sparked the interest of the casual fan, we have made up for the loss of marquee fighters such as Hatton and Joe with the emergence of Haye, Froch and Khan.
We have some tremendous prospects coming through such as the olympians, Frankie Gavin, Kell Brook and Nathan Cleverly to name but a few and the amateurs are arguably stronger than ever.
"shows how much you know, the sport of boxing in Britain is thriving at the grass roots level"
And so is american soccer on the highschool and collegiate level...Lmao.....now if talking pros...MLS and British soccer are in the same boat(like I said earlier) Lmao
Btw....you done responding to post not addressed to you cause I dont want you crying a river when I start tocut and paste your post to DEATh.
@GYGB.....he said Kell Brooks....and Cleverly(just shaking my head)
once again Walk is Dirk....you dont even have a real response to any off my post so go bother someone else with your nonsense.
And for the record....the US,Ukraine, Germany, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Cuba are all making more of a mark in boxing than the UK.......come on boys.....step ya game up....lol
lol at Vallae comparing a country with a population of 310 million(U.S) to a a GROUP of countries (U.K...made up of 4 countries dumbass!) that has a combined population of 60 million....says it all really...wow lmao
well Puerto Rico has a population of 2 million to be fair and they're doing as well if not better than the UK (and everyone knows UK is more than 1 country)
@GYGB: Off the subject of p4p for a second.....a good parallel ........The sport of Boxing is Mike Jackson when he was alive......at their primes....they were the undisputed top of any charts(Mike in the 80s)...boxing back in the golden ages of the 50's 60's 70's 80's. Due to mismanagement and down right weirdness(the skin bleaching, FanMan and Tyson earbiting etc)......they both took Public relation hits.......but on the BEST day...(Manny vs Floyd or any mike album)
@Money, for me it is...and its been that way since I been watching fights way back in 1984. Once again...different schools of thought. And fortunately for my standard....I aint seen SHIT in the last 10 years to make me switch up now. (case in point...my p4p list usually stand the test of time and require less Nips and tucks after big fights)
I guess the whole bullshit notion of me gettin along with you cause we always agree is dead like the "cryinggame"..lol
lol thats been dead for like a year now but that doesnt stop them from bringing it back to life like the ghost of Elvis everytime they get called out on something unrelated
I dunno i based my list on records (all 10 guys have good records), acheivements (#of weights, and unified belts the most important and title defenses second most) and number of wins & losses was also a big factor
I cant base it on who beats who or ne of that cuz as we say styles make fights...just cuz Floyd beats Manny imo doesnt place him ontop
"I cant base it on who beats who or ne of that cuz as we say styles make fights...just cuz Floyd beats Manny imo doesnt place him on top"
@Money, I agree with that if we talking top 10 of the last decade(achievement list ranking).....but totally disagree if we talking p4p(a list of who I think would win regardless of the weight) Because for that same reason you stating(me having FLoyd beating Manny in ANY WEIGHT)....I got prettyBoy at the top
@GYGB, Floyd aint seeing superRoy back in the day on just god given talent and for my money Pernell bodies the Shit outta Manny wjhen we talking resumes and PROVE it.
Thankfully Manny and Floyd are fighting and the lineage will be repaired. (styles+resume=p4p)
Yeah your right as of right now Manny's STYLE which is being a SLUGGER agressive mentality going for the kill when he decides to turn it on. Plus, his resume proves he is P4P right now taking on BIGGER GUYS and going from division to division.
But if he fights Floyd who is the most complete fighter in the fight game right now then it could be a different story for the PACMAN.
Like I said in my assessment theres alot to consider...wins and losses (Floyd is better) in terms of actual title fights and defenses begining in 2000 Floyd has fought 13 out of his 18 fights for a title and 9 of them were defenses where as Manny's 26 fights only 13 were for a title, 4 of them were defenses and 1 was a loss, 2 were a draw and another one was a robbery (Floyd arguably betters him in that category) Considering 1 title he has is a robbery and 2 arent even actual titles u can make..
a case for Floyd or Joe being number 1, really where Floyd and Manny differ is Manny is more exciting and has beaten more HOFs...I dont disagree with Vallae's list at all I just see it differently
Yeah but it really wasn't a robbery if your talking Pacquiao - Marquez i had Pacquiao winning the first fight by 1 and the second by 1 plus he knock him down in both fights by okay i see your point. It can go either way but Manny is #1 on my P4P list.
@GYGB(and especially my brothers in arms ROD and Trane)......and if we wanna keep it funky.....neither Floyd or Manny or worthy of the REAL p4p lineage cause to me p4p is UNDISPUTEd.....and the lasttime I seen one of those was when Roy Jones was on some SuperMan shit and the next best was equivelent to AQUAMan...lol.
And even before that the last and MOST realest p4p(sorry roy)....was Pernell....the baddesst little man on the planet who BEAT the best AND had the boxing game to match.
Yeah no doubt Pernell Whitaker was special his defense was one of the best i've ever seen plus he was a southpaw even more problems for opposing fighters.....
"And if you pick your top fighter in the sport based on that?"
Then Id be talking p4p.....and if I picked em like some of yall(whose list and opinions I can respect...just not agree with).........I'd be DOING THE SAME THING THE BULLSHIT BCS DOES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
no way.(cant wait till manny and Floyd fight and we'll see who the REAL p4p is)
"cant wait till manny and Floyd fight and we'll see who the REAL p4p is".....
I agree Floyd is a better fighter than Manny is at the end of the day, but AS OF RIGHT NOW Manny still remains as the best P4P fighter in the sport based on recent accomplishments. I think Manny Pacquao will be the RUNAWAY fighter of the year again. I think he will win this award and will make it for the 3rd time in his career.
"Manny still remains as the best p4p fighter in the sport based on recent accomplishments"
@585, maybe...but once again thats not how I do my p4p..so we dont really have an argument. For the last time...I dont care who has the "best" achievments in someone elses(not mine) eyes.........
I just rank who I think is the best regardless of the weight.
Its not that simple Vallae....you can do it that way if you want but I dont see it like that...I got Joan Guzman as one of the most talented boxers alive, I got him trashing everyone at 135 below that included Manny and Marquez when they were there but he hasnt actually done ne thing....I should have him as my #3 in that case but I dont
You obviously make a better case bcuz both Floyd and Manny have done alot tho I just disagree with ur method not ur actual ranking...I could see Floyd as #1
I have Manny ahead of Floyd cause of past exciting fights of course being champ in seven questionable weight divisions i guess. TRASHING my dude Cotto at a catchweight, Oscar and Ricky easily. Meanwhile Floyd has fought only once in the past 2 years against a natural lightweight in JJM, while Manny has fought 5 times since Mayweather announced his retirement from the sport.
Floyd's my p4p....Manny is my #1 for best of the decade
I dont do a p4p list only the #1 spot matters if u ask me and Floyd isnt coming off that spot for some time to come lol but like Vallae said fighter of the dace is a different story
for instance I think Vitali is clearly the more complete package out of the klitscho brothers and prime for prime i think its a no contest b/w the two but as far as fighter of the decade goes...Vitali has done diddly squat while Wlad has been tearing up the HW division with wins over every big name, 16 title fights and oh so many successful defenses of his UNIFIED belts...thats what i look for when i do fighter of the decade list
Then being best fighter of the decade would put Manny ahead of Floyd as the number 1 P4P fighter in the sport right? I understand u got Floyd as the best boxer and overall more complete then Manny. But Manny is the more CROWD PLEASING fighter and that's probably why the public has Manny ahead of Floyd as well as me.
No p4p came from the old Ray Robinson days to basically crown the best boxer alive despite the weight...we're talking skill, talent all that good stuff lol
I got Floyd as the most skilled fighter of the last 20 years lol he can match skills with ne one plus he's a complete package who through out his career i've had beating anyone from 126-154 and I think he toys with most guys we consider p4p lol so no i dont have Manny ahead of him cuz he's exciting
@Money, real talk....came from Ray Robinson.....the originater....I had Pernell...living up to that standard(not saying he was as good for any screen Name reading this...lmao)....and Roy being the last......lately because of the mis management of our sport(the best not fighting the best....not just Floyd)....that line has been broken imo.
AGREED that p4p spot is on reserve for only the most special fighters...i refused to give guys like Shane or Joe or ne of that crap the #1 spot when there was no one else to give it to....when Floyd retired I didnt have a number 1 lol
Robinson, Ali, RJJ, Leonard, Pernell, Floyd (see what im getting at?) these are the fighters worthy of that spot imo
if someone like that isnt around....than i dont have a p4p list
btw call me crazy but I do rank Sweet Pea up there with Robinson...i never had ne problem saying he was just as good as him, his record and skills speak for themeselves
Okay if you are talking all that of course Mayweather is ahead of Pacquiao but i have Manny ahead of Floyd cause Manny's recent destructions of Cotto, Oscar and Ricky. Plus, Floyd once fought once since dec. of 2007 knockout of Ricky Hatton. Yeah if Manny fights Floyd in may i'mma have to go Floyd. But that does not mean Floyd is #1 P4P.
@Money, Im finishing my top 10 of the decade list as we speak..btw...good list man.
@585, switching gears alittle bit.....Ron Artest is a G and the team isnt going to magically blow up from now till playoffs so you better pray Brynum or someone goes down(as if you already werent)....cause the Lakers are deeper than the X-men(comic book and not them shitty movies)
"you can do it that way if you want but I dont see it like that"
@Money, and thats what makes being a boxing fan so great....we dont all have to be AutoTunes like the boys in Lil' Uk(lol...shout out to RESPECT JOE!!!!). Once again...different schools of thought(one which thankfully Im not the only person to go by.....shout out to my old heads and Half the trainers at the Wildcard)
As Joane....gifted but unproven....Floyd...not so much. An for the record I didnt have him trashing JMM at 135.
@585, remember...I'm talking best p4p bOXEr...not p4p Resume....(shout out to my list of opponents are better than yours so Im better BUt if we meet in the ring it will probably be a whole different story..>Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????)
"but the is you can't go into the future and say to yourself "who is better Floyd or Manny if they fight"
@585......and here I thought we were talking p4p(who would win regardless of the catch weight...lol.....my bad)
@585, now if we going "hottest fighter" or "accumulated achievements"....than I can see Manny on top:
(even though the versions of Ricky and OScar he beat where weaker than the versions Floyd fought.......plus JMM was ranked higher than Cotto was when Floyd beat him........but factoring in that the version of JMM Manny beat was more competitive at 135 than at 147...........sheesh....is that how yall do it?...more confusing than the BCS...lmao)
It's really not that confusing than the BCS cause they should've had a PLAYOFF type system in place already by now inexcusable.
But C'mon now.....lmao r u 4 real your going this route..... Okay you can SPECULATE if you think Manny fought "WEAKER VERSIONS" of Oscar and Ricky if you want thats your opinion. Okay do you think JJM can beat Miguel Cotto if they fight i heard it's a possiblity for june next year in MSG. Or is JJM a better fighter than Cotto?
downers: Bernard (please fight someone of relevance soon Bernard cause going by the V-Town Standard.....I shouldnt have you higher than Chad.......but your Bhop so you get the pass)
@GYGB: my current p4p 1. Floyd Mayweather 2 Manny Pacquiao 3. Shane Mosley 4. Bernard Hopkins 5 Paul Williams 6. Vitali Klistchko 7. Chad Dawson 8. Vladimir Klistchko 9. Andre Ward 10. Aurthur Abraham
You got Floyd ahead of Manny? How?..... Plz explain V..... Floyd RETIRED from the sport and went out on top... Meanwhile, Manny has been terrorizing fighters division by division knocking them out cold or making them quit.
To me Manny deserves to be number 1 and is number 1 on 585's list. When Floyd fights someone HIS OWN SIZE in the welterweight division or someone that POSSES A THREAT to him potentially losing a fight then i will put him back as the #1 P4P PICASSO in boxing.
"You got Floyd ahead of Manny? how? Plz explain V"
@585, simple.....I dont have Manny beating Floyd at anyweight.....hence I have Floyd ranked higher p4p.
Never forget....my p4p list is based more on actual boxing ability than shiny resumes(shout out to Mikkel Kessler)
Dont trip though 585....if Im completely wrong Manny will beat Floyd and he will go to the top(the Miguel was exciting....but not enough for me to forget that Floyd is a more complete boxer offensively and defensively.)
Okay i understand your point though Vallae lol but the thing is you can't go into the future and say to yourself "who is better Floyd or Manny if they fight"?..... And pick you top fighter in the sport based on that? Cause if it was like that then of course i would put Floyd at the top spot. As you know and everyone else on GYGB it's a "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY" in the sport and also going by past fights and the results of those contests.
Joe Calzaghe has only one legitimate guy he beat in Chris Eubanks on his RESUME as far as i'm concerned and he has a bunch of guys from that show "CONTENDER". I don't wanna hear ppl talk about "OH HE BEAT ROY, B-HOP AND KESSLER"......
We already know what happened to Kessler against Andre Ward he got "OWNED". Roy and B-hop were way past there best when Calzaghe faced them and if they were all the same age i think it'll be a different story but no doubt Calzaghe is a great fighter.
Whats good Vallae.... Who your calling a youngsta btw OLDTIMER!..... Hey the NewJersey Nets going 0-14 and i don't see them winning any games anytime soon, maybe until they met Charlotte at home after being 0-18 an NBA RECORD......
Its ok, i watch football anyway, much better,lol champions league tonite, shitty Liverpool went out last nite. It all about Chelsea this year, Dider Drobga best striker in the world this year.
@Barney, no its not Ok cause I watch both(shout out to Rio Ferdinand still being my favorite defender in the premier and Cannavaro being my favorite in the world)
Wow somthing we have in common,lol although hes lost a yard of pace and struggling a bit this year. Cannavaro is your favorite player in the world? he's a brillant player, ive never heard anybody saying he is there favorite though in the world. Drogba and Rooney seems to be the best so far this season.
@Barney, but we wont be having no discussions about soccer on GYGB until WorldCup....because you shit on the NBa...and I respect the best no matter what the sport.
Lebron needs to be put in that CONVERSATION.... This guy is 6'8'' 260 and can jump OUTTA THE GYM and is the fastest player on the court. Of course NIQUE and Shawn Kemp were freakish athletes i have ever seen in the game..... You forgot VC too OLDTIMER.
Vince aint got nothing off Dominique....naw...I didnt forget him....and also..as I said earlier Nique and Kemp are the most freakish I ever seen(besides...you only had clips of those dudes in they prime youngster.....I actually watched them.)
@Barney...On his day Arshavin is the most sublime player in the world, reminds me a little of my all-time hero Peter Beardsley, has the ability to just ghost past multiple players in tight situations, a rare gift, not even Messi can compete with him in that area imo as good as the lil argie is.
@Baarney...I had Chelsea winning the league this year but they may suffer when seemingly half there squad depart for the african nations...the comeback of Joe Cole is a great boost though (one of the most talented players in europe imo).
Im a happy boy at the moment as my boys are looking good in the second division, top of the league and Nolan can't stop scoring!...who would have predicted that pre season lol.
i would have to put calzaghe and mayweather joint top because i believe that these two bring the best fight game and are both undefeated. one is a p4p king and the other held a belt for 11 years with 21 defences. regardless of what era these two bring a better fight game the pacquiao.
I would say mayweather is above pacman as i believe his fight game is better, when i say fight game i dont mean resume or who he knocked out quicker. I mean what hey bring to the table when. mayweather has not lost and pacman has. mayweather has actually won six WORLD titles in 5 weight divisions in comparison to manny 5 in 5.
It is very hard to pick between the top three best fighters of the decade but they are definately clazaghe, mayweather and the pacman.
They have all accomplished different types of feats.
pacquiao and mayweather can both def be compared as they can be considered as p4p fighters with the weight divisions they won belts at. however calzaghe dominated a division and had 21 title defences and is a 2 weight champ.
@585...well you hope so......no proof of that yet. We shall see(enough with the 585 Madame Cleo crap already).Bottomline...Kobe is already an Alltime great and Lebron is ON HIS WAY(not there yet youngster) I thought we killed the whole Kobe vs LBJ talk last year 585.
The torch will be past but right right NOW.....the King is Kobe.....LBJ aint pulled no MJ to Magic or Magic to Doc J yet.
Actually last year the torch was passed when LeBron James won the MVP trophy yeah u guys got lucky last year and won the chip with injuries to key players like Kevin Garnett injured for Boston and won but it won't happen 2 years in a row. No, Kobe is not king, it's Lebron James get it right "THE KING"......
i got an ear muff to put out there-the columbien beauty "shakira" wow the way she shakes them hips and moves that rump " god damn" any1 seen that video with both shakira and beyonce?there both saking and moving,bumping and grinding up a wall,its good shit!like soft porn!ya need to see it!
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
Andre Ward vs Arthur Abraham in the finals of the super six tournment maybe?
Ward impressed me alot. Kessler was just OVERMATCHED and didn't seem to have an answer for Ward's left hook. Ward was beating him to the punch, countering those punches or avoiding them with constant head and upper-body movement. Just a dominating performance from Ward i had him beating Kessler just like this and i came true.
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
@GYGB: lol...they crying game got killed last week(shout to the family) and I guess we back to "Dont pick on the UK"...lmao....I only roll with Lennox from that island...and I aint obligated to change my standards for these idiots.
Btw Vallae....... Are you an Oakland Raiders fan? What do you think about the benching of Jamarcus Russell lol?
To your point that Lebron needs to step up his BASKETBALL IQ and COMPLETE GAME? He has the best basketball IQ in the NBA and he is the most complete player in the L...... His athleticism will be there at age 31 not like it is now...... But he will be more electrifying than Kobe is at the same age 31.
@585, that should answer your question and it doesnt matter if they bench Jamarcus or let him keep on f&cking up on the field. The Raiders problems start from the top....once Al is gone then they get serious. Until then I dont care if they put a prime Joe Montana in the pocket.....they arent serious as an organization about winning.
Yeah you need to get rid of your owner of the Raiders AL DAVIS. That guy is the straight BOSS out there in Oakland. Your whole team will probably stay down in the BLACK HOLE for years to come but hey anything is possible...... Trust in Bruce Gradkowski to get the job done.
"Lebron needs to step up his BASKETBALL IQ and COMPLETE GAME?"
@585, I dont stutter. 1st and foremos for a 6'10 foward his post game. Kobes back to the basket game is even better and dude is a #2. Second he hasn't mastered the principles of team or individual defense.(Unlike Kobe) Give him credit he has improved....but not to the level of ALL-NBA(not even close to complete on D...and thats where championships are won).
most athletic....Ok most complete in the league? Naw fool....thats Kobe.
Well, i don't stutter either and Lebron is a way better team defensive player than Kobe is i'm pretty sure we can agree on that......
"(not even close to complete on D...and thats where championships are won)."....
What are you taking about Lebron made 1st team all-defensive team last year and so your saying he doesn't play individual defense okay i see you have basketball knowledge lol. Lebron the best in the game. RESPECT "THE KING"!
@585, is that another one of your now infamous "Lebron LOCK proclamations"?(shout out to the 08-09 NBA champion Cleveland Cavs...lmao) As anyone can see......ONLY TIME WILL TELL. Nique, Pippen,Magic,Shaq and yes....even Jordan all lost they springs BUT what saved everyone on that list except Sha and Nique was the cerebral aspect of the game that comes with EXPERIENCE(not wild predictions)
@The Atrist Known as Walk, we been through this before and I'll state it again ScreenName King....Im not from a land where boxing fans were there inferiority complex on they chest. I dont care what Flag a fighter waves, where they were born or who they parents are.....all that is for you clowns to "fall in love with" shout out to Walk like Real and Chance.
I like styles. And look around DAWg....Im not alone when I say...Ricky was wack, Joe and Dave need to shut they mouths and Froch is wack.
lol at Vallae you still keeps on with the slating of just about any fighter past or present with a british passport to try and invoke a reaction from one of the british posters
Its like an attention seeking five year old scribbling on the wallpaper so daddy will put down the t.v remote and look their way...funny.
"Vallae you still keeps on with the slating of just about any fighter past or presnt"
Never slated Lennox Lewis(imo the he best yall had....who fought for Canada in the Olympics no less)......plus I never dissed Chris"simply the BEst" either....just didn't like his chances in a fantasy fight against Ward.
Now if you done doing what you always accuse me of(slanting statements).....Im watching the replay of Saturdays fight.
@Valllae...oh dear, LIKE I SAID all those fighters are unavailable to Williams due to the super six for the next 18 months to 2 years and as for who you mentioned as middleweights most of them are natural 154lbers...cheers for affirming my point in a totally round about way though.
@123, AA . Benns rabbit punching and dirty tactics help him little against AA who can not only rumble but box. As for Chris and Andre....maybe Chis beats Andre at his prime...but at the same stages of there career(or WORST.....when Andre reaches his peak).....I got Oakland hands down.
@123...Primes to this date...AA KO's Benn who had an unreliable set of whiskers, would be exciting for how long it lasted but would be more smoking mirrors, AA would always be in control.
As for Eubank/Ward if Ward boxes sensible and doesnt do anything stupid he wins pretty comfortably on points, no way in hell he stops Eubank though.Eubank would be a threat to the final bell though, he had an hellacious uppercut and Ward sometimes jumps in, definite punchers chance for Chris but thats all.
@jl87, didnt say he was bad(also didnt say he was good..lol)...just said he was a dude most of these cats would have rolled with back in the day.......btw Jl87....who did dude beat and what in your opinion was his best showing?
Shout out to the idiots who still yelling that played out "I aint sold yet"....lol.....stick to your purchases of cats like Kelly,Ricky, David,Carl,Kessler and the rest......lmao
R.I.P To Miguel Cotto Sr.
NilkNarf03 2 years ago 10
Cotto lost to Clottey, only reason why this fight happen was because Top Rank and Arum wanted to cash in on a big fight
now lets get to the REAL DEAL Mayweather vs Pacman
KnockYouTheFukOut 2 years ago
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VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Dirk...a better question is why you talk about me more than the sport of boxing on GYGB? Hell your first post on the show was dedicated to me and you havent stopped putting my name in your post...lmao.
On second thought....save it dude...cause you have the all time record for putting the nameVallaeBoy in a post.....and not vice versa....case in point....I think your name might have came up maybe once during todays p4p,NBA,soccer talk...and here I see my name...again...and again...and again.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Your name hasnt been in any of my posts....wtf? I been off for a few days and I come back to see you with Dirk Tourrettes.....lol aint shit to me. I just find it funny.
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
yeah I wrote that before we got finished with the list...i disagree on some parts but dont actually have a problem with ne of them
Hell that list and the show as a whole was gangsta...I like the list ill go with it
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
nice list. looking at your list..these top 10 has fought at least 1 of another top 10, except floyd.
aznvedz 2 years ago
"execpt Floyd"
uhh....JMM. lol...nice try though.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
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aznvedz 2 years ago
hmm..didn't notice JMM..good catch.
aznvedz 2 years ago
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Joe
4. Bhop
5. JMM
6. Wink
7. Barerra
8. Morales
9. Shane
10. Cotto
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
BTW i got Khan beating Guzman at 140, i think it would be a cracking fight too with Khan just being a little to big and rangy.
Ward vs Williams i got Ward putting a boxing lesson on mr 1000, he would test PWills chin at that poundage too.
On Gamboa/Caballero...the jury is still out on both but ive seen alot more of Gamboa (including amateurs) and i think he wins a shootout around the halfway mark...possibly getting dropped himself.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Bute vs Andrade just sold out 16,000 seats in 1 hour! lol I think if Paul is serious about fighting at 168 Bute would make a very reasonable opponent given his rank, title and the fact that he's not in the super six
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Money...Good shout...kind of depends on him doing the business in his rematch with Andrade though...right now who you got Bute or Williams?
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Dirk vs The Cold - Cold by TKO.....lol
What time is the top 10 show on tonight? Gonna try and chime in.
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
Anyone care to offer some predictions on these potential match-ups
Andre Ward-Paul Wiliiams
Amir Khan-Joan Guzman
Celestino Caballero-Yuriorkis Gamboa
Also if you could only pick one "can't miss" prospect who would it be? rules are they have had less than 15 fights and havent contested a world title.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Ward by UD
Guzman by late KO or wide UD
Gamboa by UD (I'd have Caballero beating Juanma Lopez tho)
Javier Molina was my dude as far as guys with less than 15 fights go (he's got 2 lol) but he hasnt been in the ring for a while for reason I dont know but he'll back soon and for a guy that young he's got a lot of talent....needs to bulk up a little and settle in at 147 tho
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
I'm actually a little offended by you asking about Guzman vs Khan lol for one it sounds like Guzman is seriosuly underrated and Khan isnt really in a position to be compared to guys like that...i think he gets toyed with at 135
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Money...I think at 140 Khan has a good chance...i just wanted to bring up a couple of fights and gauge opinion, start some debate...bit quiet on here in the aftermath of Pac/Cotto.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
I guess at 140 you can make a better case but Guzman isnt at that weight...didnt he just get to 135? I mean really the only way 140 changes the fight is if Guzman somehow slows down or Khan is a little less chinny
@Dirk...yeah its true but that still a pop'n of 2 million compared to 60 lol and besides US also has more sports to put their "eggs" into than UK....they're still bigger but I think its more their boxing roots facilities and trainers that make them not their countries pop'n
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
The US play most of their sports amoung themselves lol.
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
@walk....I do remember you giving Ward some shine (unlike others lol). I picked him to beat Kessler but daaaaaam! Didnt expect that trashing! I always said he was the dark horse to win the whole thing, hes probably favourite now. Mighty impressive performance.
Kessler just hasnt improved at all since the Joe fight, in fact hes probably gotten worse. Straight lines, no head movement, complete inability to adjust. I think he needs a new trainer - maybe Manny Steward?
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
@Dirk...Yeah ive been on the Ward bandwagon for a long time now, became a fan throughout his impressive run in the amateurs, he displayed the same tremendous capability to adapt then like he does now, the kid is a born winner.
I dont think Kessler should get too disheartened, i honestly think he has been beaten by a special fighter but only time will tell on that count though of course.
...not a huge Steward fan but he does love those jab, straight right hand merchants...could work.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Yeah thats exactly what I was thinkin, Steward helped Wlad a lot with his defence. Kessler gets hit too much for me. Hes got an excellent jab but he doesnt keep guys on the end of it. You comin on the radio show tonite?
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
Khan beats Guzman @ 40 but not at 35. Caballero (needs more references) I got Gamboa by ko. Ward is too big and stong for Paul. I got Ward Bhopping him to a nod. Trane In fact Ward vs Dawson keeps me up all damn night trying to pick a winner lol I like Chad over 70 but under I go Ward
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
British Boxing=American Soccer...lmao
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Calling football, soccer....says it all really lmao
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Why is this guy always talking about me or the UK?....lol wtf?
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
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VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Im out.(lmfao)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
fucking Dirk....lmao
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB: Sout out to the JustinTv lLive stream Allstars...lmao
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Vallae....It shows what a true casual you are, other than a couple of fighters you have no overall interest in the sport, i love boxing, a great domestic fight to me is just as intriguing and exciting as ones that top the bill in vegas.
Just take your views on Andre Ward, when i was bigging him up a while back he was according to you "Garbage!" yet now he's made it he is the best thing since sliced bread...you do make me laugh...unintentionally though lol
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
@GYGB: But I'll say this...MLS....just like the state of British Boxing right now...is Gaaaaaaaaarbage(lol....send all complaints to my mail box...lol)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Vallae...Shows how much you know, the sport of boxing in Britain is thriving at grass roots level, the prizefighter series has sparked the interest of the casual fan, we have made up for the loss of marquee fighters such as Hatton and Joe with the emergence of Haye, Froch and Khan.
We have some tremendous prospects coming through such as the olympians, Frankie Gavin, Kell Brook and Nathan Cleverly to name but a few and the amateurs are arguably stronger than ever.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
"shows how much you know, the sport of boxing in Britain is thriving at the grass roots level"
And so is american soccer on the highschool and collegiate level...Lmao.....now if talking pros...MLS and British soccer are in the same boat(like I said earlier) Lmao
Btw....you done responding to post not addressed to you cause I dont want you crying a river when I start tocut and paste your post to DEATh.
@GYGB.....he said Kell Brooks....and Cleverly(just shaking my head)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Vallae...if you are going to copy and paste copy the whole thing...it continued after grass roots level...but you know that!
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
once again Walk is Dirk....you dont even have a real response to any off my post so go bother someone else with your nonsense.
And for the record....the US,Ukraine, Germany, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Cuba are all making more of a mark in boxing than the UK.......come on boys.....step ya game up....lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
lol at Vallae comparing a country with a population of 310 million(U.S) to a a GROUP of countries (U.K...made up of 4 countries dumbass!) that has a combined population of 60 million....says it all really...wow lmao
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
well Puerto Rico has a population of 2 million to be fair and they're doing as well if not better than the UK (and everyone knows UK is more than 1 country)
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Money...You do mate...not so sure bout Vallae!
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
PR puts more eggs into the boxing basket than the UK. Much bigger sport over there.
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
The show is at 9pm Eastern Time like always...you seem to miss it by an hour everytime so try one hour earlier lol
Im out i'll see you guys on the show
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
What time is it now ET? Its 12.45am here.
DirkDigglerV3 2 years ago
oh my bad its 8 pm now and i guess 1 am for you.....so 1 hour till the show starts
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Vallae...also its Kell BROOK...no S on the end...research, research,research young grasshopper...i mean dung beetle...
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
Lmao....who cares if I added an S at the end of that nobodies name(besides...when does spelling ever count on GYGB......you finished yet dawg?)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
imo....not imp..lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
btw
@585, I got Dominique and Kemp (NOT LEBRON) being the craziest most freakeshly athletic players I have evr seen.(speaking for pops...it was Wilt)
See how that works youngster? lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB< In honor of Barny Im bout to watch the Shawn Kemp SpaceMan video on Youtube like 3 times in a row......lmao
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB: Off the subject of p4p for a second.....a good parallel ........The sport of Boxing is Mike Jackson when he was alive......at their primes....they were the undisputed top of any charts(Mike in the 80s)...boxing back in the golden ages of the 50's 60's 70's 80's. Due to mismanagement and down right weirdness(the skin bleaching, FanMan and Tyson earbiting etc)......they both took Public relation hits.......but on the BEST day...(Manny vs Floyd or any mike album)
they are still #1
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Trane, I hope Ron didnt hear me and randomly decides to go crazy just to prve the Laker fans wrong...lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
"Its not that simple Valle"
@Money, for me it is...and its been that way since I been watching fights way back in 1984. Once again...different schools of thought. And fortunately for my standard....I aint seen SHIT in the last 10 years to make me switch up now. (case in point...my p4p list usually stand the test of time and require less Nips and tucks after big fights)
I guess the whole bullshit notion of me gettin along with you cause we always agree is dead like the "cryinggame"..lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
lol thats been dead for like a year now but that doesnt stop them from bringing it back to life like the ghost of Elvis everytime they get called out on something unrelated
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
I dunno i based my list on records (all 10 guys have good records), acheivements (#of weights, and unified belts the most important and title defenses second most) and number of wins & losses was also a big factor
I cant base it on who beats who or ne of that cuz as we say styles make fights...just cuz Floyd beats Manny imo doesnt place him ontop
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@m0neymayweather
"just cuz Floyd beats Manny imo doesnt place him on top"........
REAL TALK right there exactly it's a what have you done for me lately and past resumes.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"I cant base it on who beats who or ne of that cuz as we say styles make fights...just cuz Floyd beats Manny imo doesnt place him on top"
@Money, I agree with that if we talking top 10 of the last decade(achievement list ranking).....but totally disagree if we talking p4p(a list of who I think would win regardless of the weight) Because for that same reason you stating(me having FLoyd beating Manny in ANY WEIGHT)....I got prettyBoy at the top
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB, Floyd aint seeing superRoy back in the day on just god given talent and for my money Pernell bodies the Shit outta Manny wjhen we talking resumes and PROVE it.
Thankfully Manny and Floyd are fighting and the lineage will be repaired. (styles+resume=p4p)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
"(styles+resume=p4p)".....
Yeah your right as of right now Manny's STYLE which is being a SLUGGER agressive mentality going for the kill when he decides to turn it on. Plus, his resume proves he is P4P right now taking on BIGGER GUYS and going from division to division.
But if he fights Floyd who is the most complete fighter in the fight game right now then it could be a different story for the PACMAN.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
Like I said in my assessment theres alot to consider...wins and losses (Floyd is better) in terms of actual title fights and defenses begining in 2000 Floyd has fought 13 out of his 18 fights for a title and 9 of them were defenses where as Manny's 26 fights only 13 were for a title, 4 of them were defenses and 1 was a loss, 2 were a draw and another one was a robbery (Floyd arguably betters him in that category) Considering 1 title he has is a robbery and 2 arent even actual titles u can make..
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
a case for Floyd or Joe being number 1, really where Floyd and Manny differ is Manny is more exciting and has beaten more HOFs...I dont disagree with Vallae's list at all I just see it differently
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@m0neymayweather
Yeah but it really wasn't a robbery if your talking Pacquiao - Marquez i had Pacquiao winning the first fight by 1 and the second by 1 plus he knock him down in both fights by okay i see your point. It can go either way but Manny is #1 on my P4P list.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
@GYGB(and especially my brothers in arms ROD and Trane)......and if we wanna keep it funky.....neither Floyd or Manny or worthy of the REAL p4p lineage cause to me p4p is UNDISPUTEd.....and the lasttime I seen one of those was when Roy Jones was on some SuperMan shit and the next best was equivelent to AQUAMan...lol.
And even before that the last and MOST realest p4p(sorry roy)....was Pernell....the baddesst little man on the planet who BEAT the best AND had the boxing game to match.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Yeah no doubt Pernell Whitaker was special his defense was one of the best i've ever seen plus he was a southpaw even more problems for opposing fighters.....
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"And if you pick your top fighter in the sport based on that?"
Then Id be talking p4p.....and if I picked em like some of yall(whose list and opinions I can respect...just not agree with).........I'd be DOING THE SAME THING THE BULLSHIT BCS DOES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
no way.(cant wait till manny and Floyd fight and we'll see who the REAL p4p is)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
"cant wait till manny and Floyd fight and we'll see who the REAL p4p is".....
I agree Floyd is a better fighter than Manny is at the end of the day, but AS OF RIGHT NOW Manny still remains as the best P4P fighter in the sport based on recent accomplishments. I think Manny Pacquao will be the RUNAWAY fighter of the year again. I think he will win this award and will make it for the 3rd time in his career.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"Manny still remains as the best p4p fighter in the sport based on recent accomplishments"
@585, maybe...but once again thats not how I do my p4p..so we dont really have an argument. For the last time...I dont care who has the "best" achievments in someone elses(not mine) eyes.........
I just rank who I think is the best regardless of the weight.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Its not that simple Vallae....you can do it that way if you want but I dont see it like that...I got Joan Guzman as one of the most talented boxers alive, I got him trashing everyone at 135 below that included Manny and Marquez when they were there but he hasnt actually done ne thing....I should have him as my #3 in that case but I dont
You obviously make a better case bcuz both Floyd and Manny have done alot tho I just disagree with ur method not ur actual ranking...I could see Floyd as #1
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@m0neymayweather
So who do you have as your #1 P4P RIGHT NOW?
I have Manny ahead of Floyd cause of past exciting fights of course being champ in seven questionable weight divisions i guess. TRASHING my dude Cotto at a catchweight, Oscar and Ricky easily. Meanwhile Floyd has fought only once in the past 2 years against a natural lightweight in JJM, while Manny has fought 5 times since Mayweather announced his retirement from the sport.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
Floyd's my p4p....Manny is my #1 for best of the decade
I dont do a p4p list only the #1 spot matters if u ask me and Floyd isnt coming off that spot for some time to come lol but like Vallae said fighter of the dace is a different story
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
for instance I think Vitali is clearly the more complete package out of the klitscho brothers and prime for prime i think its a no contest b/w the two but as far as fighter of the decade goes...Vitali has done diddly squat while Wlad has been tearing up the HW division with wins over every big name, 16 title fights and oh so many successful defenses of his UNIFIED belts...thats what i look for when i do fighter of the decade list
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@m0neymayweather
Then being best fighter of the decade would put Manny ahead of Floyd as the number 1 P4P fighter in the sport right? I understand u got Floyd as the best boxer and overall more complete then Manny. But Manny is the more CROWD PLEASING fighter and that's probably why the public has Manny ahead of Floyd as well as me.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
No p4p came from the old Ray Robinson days to basically crown the best boxer alive despite the weight...we're talking skill, talent all that good stuff lol
I got Floyd as the most skilled fighter of the last 20 years lol he can match skills with ne one plus he's a complete package who through out his career i've had beating anyone from 126-154 and I think he toys with most guys we consider p4p lol so no i dont have Manny ahead of him cuz he's exciting
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Money, real talk....came from Ray Robinson.....the originater....I had Pernell...living up to that standard(not saying he was as good for any screen Name reading this...lmao)....and Roy being the last......lately because of the mis management of our sport(the best not fighting the best....not just Floyd)....that line has been broken imo.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
AGREED that p4p spot is on reserve for only the most special fighters...i refused to give guys like Shane or Joe or ne of that crap the #1 spot when there was no one else to give it to....when Floyd retired I didnt have a number 1 lol
Robinson, Ali, RJJ, Leonard, Pernell, Floyd (see what im getting at?) these are the fighters worthy of that spot imo
if someone like that isnt around....than i dont have a p4p list
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
btw call me crazy but I do rank Sweet Pea up there with Robinson...i never had ne problem saying he was just as good as him, his record and skills speak for themeselves
aigh im off to class man later
m0neymayweather 2 years ago
@Money, hmmmmmm, strong and real talk. Swee Pea & Sugar Ray? guess we'll save that one for another day.....hold it down at school brother.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@m0neymayweather
Okay if you are talking all that of course Mayweather is ahead of Pacquiao but i have Manny ahead of Floyd cause Manny's recent destructions of Cotto, Oscar and Ricky. Plus, Floyd once fought once since dec. of 2007 knockout of Ricky Hatton. Yeah if Manny fights Floyd in may i'mma have to go Floyd. But that does not mean Floyd is #1 P4P.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
btw...I hope you didn't think I thought the term p4p came about cause of Swee Pee? right?
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Money, Im finishing my top 10 of the decade list as we speak..btw...good list man.
@585, switching gears alittle bit.....Ron Artest is a G and the team isnt going to magically blow up from now till playoffs so you better pray Brynum or someone goes down(as if you already werent)....cause the Lakers are deeper than the X-men(comic book and not them shitty movies)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
"you can do it that way if you want but I dont see it like that"
@Money, and thats what makes being a boxing fan so great....we dont all have to be AutoTunes like the boys in Lil' Uk(lol...shout out to RESPECT JOE!!!!). Once again...different schools of thought(one which thankfully Im not the only person to go by.....shout out to my old heads and Half the trainers at the Wildcard)
As Joane....gifted but unproven....Floyd...not so much. An for the record I didnt have him trashing JMM at 135.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@585, remember...I'm talking best p4p bOXEr...not p4p Resume....(shout out to my list of opponents are better than yours so Im better BUt if we meet in the ring it will probably be a whole different story..>Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????)
"but the is you can't go into the future and say to yourself "who is better Floyd or Manny if they fight"
@585......and here I thought we were talking p4p(who would win regardless of the catch weight...lol.....my bad)
just shaking my head.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@585, now if we going "hottest fighter" or "accumulated achievements"....than I can see Manny on top:
(even though the versions of Ricky and OScar he beat where weaker than the versions Floyd fought.......plus JMM was ranked higher than Cotto was when Floyd beat him........but factoring in that the version of JMM Manny beat was more competitive at 135 than at 147...........sheesh....is that how yall do it?...more confusing than the BCS...lmao)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
It's really not that confusing than the BCS cause they should've had a PLAYOFF type system in place already by now inexcusable.
But C'mon now.....lmao r u 4 real your going this route..... Okay you can SPECULATE if you think Manny fought "WEAKER VERSIONS" of Oscar and Ricky if you want thats your opinion. Okay do you think JJM can beat Miguel Cotto if they fight i heard it's a possiblity for june next year in MSG. Or is JJM a better fighter than Cotto?
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
additions: 9)Andre and 10) AA
subtractions: JMM and Cotto
risers: Manny,Vitali,Chad
downers: Bernard (please fight someone of relevance soon Bernard cause going by the V-Town Standard.....I shouldnt have you higher than Chad.......but your Bhop so you get the pass)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
You got Floyd ahead of Manny? How?..... Plz explain V..... Floyd RETIRED from the sport and went out on top... Meanwhile, Manny has been terrorizing fighters division by division knocking them out cold or making them quit.
To me Manny deserves to be number 1 and is number 1 on 585's list. When Floyd fights someone HIS OWN SIZE in the welterweight division or someone that POSSES A THREAT to him potentially losing a fight then i will put him back as the #1 P4P PICASSO in boxing.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"You got Floyd ahead of Manny? how? Plz explain V"
@585, simple.....I dont have Manny beating Floyd at anyweight.....hence I have Floyd ranked higher p4p.
Never forget....my p4p list is based more on actual boxing ability than shiny resumes(shout out to Mikkel Kessler)
Dont trip though 585....if Im completely wrong Manny will beat Floyd and he will go to the top(the Miguel was exciting....but not enough for me to forget that Floyd is a more complete boxer offensively and defensively.)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Okay i understand your point though Vallae lol but the thing is you can't go into the future and say to yourself "who is better Floyd or Manny if they fight"?..... And pick you top fighter in the sport based on that? Cause if it was like that then of course i would put Floyd at the top spot. As you know and everyone else on GYGB it's a "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY" in the sport and also going by past fights and the results of those contests.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
you took jmm out of your p4p list?
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
@barney, yup.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@vallae Why?
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
Radio show airs @ 9. We count down the top 10 of the decade tonight!
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
@GYGB
Joe Calzaghe has only one legitimate guy he beat in Chris Eubanks on his RESUME as far as i'm concerned and he has a bunch of guys from that show "CONTENDER". I don't wanna hear ppl talk about "OH HE BEAT ROY, B-HOP AND KESSLER"......
We already know what happened to Kessler against Andre Ward he got "OWNED". Roy and B-hop were way past there best when Calzaghe faced them and if they were all the same age i think it'll be a different story but no doubt Calzaghe is a great fighter.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
@585, damn youngster....thats some real talk.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Whats good Vallae.... Who your calling a youngsta btw OLDTIMER!..... Hey the NewJersey Nets going 0-14 and i don't see them winning any games anytime soon, maybe until they met Charlotte at home after being 0-18 an NBA RECORD......
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
@585, "oldtimer?"...lol...Im not even 30 yet...lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Ighyt then i'm not even 30 yet either.....
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
Was Don Curry good?
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
Radio show airs @ 9. We count down the top 10 of the decade tonight!
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
@Trane, are the lakers still endangered of Ron Artest blowing up the team or can we put that Day -time soap opera plot line to bed?
Im saying though?
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Rugby's better lol
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
@Barney, We know Kobe Bryant and Lebron.....who the FUCk are the main men in Rugby? wait a minute...I dont care...never mind...lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Vallae Basketball is just Net ball for guys.lol
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
@GYGB: Barney vs The NBA( u know....Mikan, Baylor, West, Russel, Chamberlain, Doctor J, Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Ewing, Barkley, Dominique, Akeem, Shaq, Garnett, Kobe, Lebron, Wade)
I think Im going to have to sgo with the NBA on this one(shout out to Net ball)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
All great Net ball players. lol
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
@Barney, they sure are. too bad for you....your out of the loop..lol.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Its ok, i watch football anyway, much better,lol champions league tonite, shitty Liverpool went out last nite. It all about Chelsea this year, Dider Drobga best striker in the world this year.
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
"its ok, i watch football anyway"
@Barney, no its not Ok cause I watch both(shout out to Rio Ferdinand still being my favorite defender in the premier and Cannavaro being my favorite in the world)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Wow somthing we have in common,lol although hes lost a yard of pace and struggling a bit this year. Cannavaro is your favorite player in the world? he's a brillant player, ive never heard anybody saying he is there favorite though in the world. Drogba and Rooney seems to be the best so far this season.
barneyboy2001 2 years ago
@Barney, Favorite defender in the world...favorite player is still Samuel Eto. (the best imp is Messi)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Barney, but we wont be having no discussions about soccer on GYGB until WorldCup....because you shit on the NBa...and I respect the best no matter what the sport.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Lebron needs to be put in that CONVERSATION.... This guy is 6'8'' 260 and can jump OUTTA THE GYM and is the fastest player on the court. Of course NIQUE and Shawn Kemp were freakish athletes i have ever seen in the game..... You forgot VC too OLDTIMER.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
Vince aint got nothing off Dominique....naw...I didnt forget him....and also..as I said earlier Nique and Kemp are the most freakish I ever seen(besides...you only had clips of those dudes in they prime youngster.....I actually watched them.)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Barney...On his day Arshavin is the most sublime player in the world, reminds me a little of my all-time hero Peter Beardsley, has the ability to just ghost past multiple players in tight situations, a rare gift, not even Messi can compete with him in that area imo as good as the lil argie is.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
@Baarney...I had Chelsea winning the league this year but they may suffer when seemingly half there squad depart for the african nations...the comeback of Joe Cole is a great boost though (one of the most talented players in europe imo).
Im a happy boy at the moment as my boys are looking good in the second division, top of the league and Nolan can't stop scoring!...who would have predicted that pre season lol.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
calzaghe vs mayweather.
best counter puncher vs best coming forward. Offence vs defence
labib1000 2 years ago
let me know what you think trane and others.
labib1000 2 years ago
i would have to put calzaghe and mayweather joint top because i believe that these two bring the best fight game and are both undefeated. one is a p4p king and the other held a belt for 11 years with 21 defences. regardless of what era these two bring a better fight game the pacquiao.
so its
1. calzaghe/mayweather split.
2. pacquiao
3.hopkins
4.mosley
labib1000 2 years ago
I would say mayweather is above pacman as i believe his fight game is better, when i say fight game i dont mean resume or who he knocked out quicker. I mean what hey bring to the table when. mayweather has not lost and pacman has. mayweather has actually won six WORLD titles in 5 weight divisions in comparison to manny 5 in 5.
labib1000 2 years ago
It is very hard to pick between the top three best fighters of the decade but they are definately clazaghe, mayweather and the pacman.
They have all accomplished different types of feats.
pacquiao and mayweather can both def be compared as they can be considered as p4p fighters with the weight divisions they won belts at. however calzaghe dominated a division and had 21 title defences and is a 2 weight champ.
labib1000 2 years ago
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guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
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guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
Whats up with Panthera. He's been MIA since Cotto got destroyed. Come out come out wherever you are and man up.
boxingscience 2 years ago
@BoxingScience, real talk.(i just wanna see if he still has Cotto beat Paul at 147? lmao)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Boxingscience..To be fair to the lad he has been back on post Cotto/Pacquiao.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
"He will be more electrfying than Kobe at 31"
@585...well you hope so......no proof of that yet. We shall see(enough with the 585 Madame Cleo crap already).Bottomline...Kobe is already an Alltime great and Lebron is ON HIS WAY(not there yet youngster) I thought we killed the whole Kobe vs LBJ talk last year 585.
The torch will be past but right right NOW.....the King is Kobe.....LBJ aint pulled no MJ to Magic or Magic to Doc J yet.
Do your homework and stop gazing at crystal balls
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
"The torch will be past but right right NOW"....
Actually last year the torch was passed when LeBron James won the MVP trophy yeah u guys got lucky last year and won the chip with injuries to key players like Kevin Garnett injured for Boston and won but it won't happen 2 years in a row. No, Kobe is not king, it's Lebron James get it right "THE KING"......
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
very good interview with Buncey on Boxingscene, its in a couple of parts, worth a look.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
i got an ear muff to put out there-the columbien beauty "shakira" wow the way she shakes them hips and moves that rump " god damn" any1 seen that video with both shakira and beyonce?there both saking and moving,bumping and grinding up a wall,its good shit!like soft porn!ya need to see it!
951thompsonn 2 years ago
951's top 18 fighters of the noughties 2000's
1-mayweather jr 2-pacman 3-calzaghe 4-bhop
5-shane 6-berrera 7-cotto 8-morales 9-winky
10-taylor 11-forrest 12-lewis had big fights with holifield tyson and klitchko!
13-hatton 14-kostya 15-marquez 16-gatti
17-klitchko brothers 18-castillo
951thompsonn 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
@GYGB
Out.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
@GYGB
Andre Ward vs Arthur Abraham in the finals of the super six tournment maybe?
Ward impressed me alot. Kessler was just OVERMATCHED and didn't seem to have an answer for Ward's left hook. Ward was beating him to the punch, countering those punches or avoiding them with constant head and upper-body movement. Just a dominating performance from Ward i had him beating Kessler just like this and i came true.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
The Top Ten fighters of the decade show is tommorow night @ 9. Talkshoe(dot com)/tc/63796. Please continue to send us your top ten list of the 2000's. Regards,GYGB
guardyourgrilltv 2 years ago
@GYGB: lol...they crying game got killed last week(shout to the family) and I guess we back to "Dont pick on the UK"...lmao....I only roll with Lennox from that island...and I aint obligated to change my standards for these idiots.
back to OAkland....lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Btw Vallae....... Are you an Oakland Raiders fan? What do you think about the benching of Jamarcus Russell lol?
To your point that Lebron needs to step up his BASKETBALL IQ and COMPLETE GAME? He has the best basketball IQ in the NBA and he is the most complete player in the L...... His athleticism will be there at age 31 not like it is now...... But he will be more electrifying than Kobe is at the same age 31.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"Win, lose or tie Im a Raider till I die!"
@585, that should answer your question and it doesnt matter if they bench Jamarcus or let him keep on f&cking up on the field. The Raiders problems start from the top....once Al is gone then they get serious. Until then I dont care if they put a prime Joe Montana in the pocket.....they arent serious as an organization about winning.
period.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
Yeah you need to get rid of your owner of the Raiders AL DAVIS. That guy is the straight BOSS out there in Oakland. Your whole team will probably stay down in the BLACK HOLE for years to come but hey anything is possible...... Trust in Bruce Gradkowski to get the job done.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"Lebron needs to step up his BASKETBALL IQ and COMPLETE GAME?"
@585, I dont stutter. 1st and foremos for a 6'10 foward his post game. Kobes back to the basket game is even better and dude is a #2. Second he hasn't mastered the principles of team or individual defense.(Unlike Kobe) Give him credit he has improved....but not to the level of ALL-NBA(not even close to complete on D...and thats where championships are won).
most athletic....Ok most complete in the league? Naw fool....thats Kobe.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@VallaeBoy
"I dont stutter".....
Well, i don't stutter either and Lebron is a way better team defensive player than Kobe is i'm pretty sure we can agree on that......
"(not even close to complete on D...and thats where championships are won)."....
What are you taking about Lebron made 1st team all-defensive team last year and so your saying he doesn't play individual defense okay i see you have basketball knowledge lol. Lebron the best in the game. RESPECT "THE KING"!
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
"His athleticism will be there at 31"
@585, is that another one of your now infamous "Lebron LOCK proclamations"?(shout out to the 08-09 NBA champion Cleveland Cavs...lmao) As anyone can see......ONLY TIME WILL TELL. Nique, Pippen,Magic,Shaq and yes....even Jordan all lost they springs BUT what saved everyone on that list except Sha and Nique was the cerebral aspect of the game that comes with EXPERIENCE(not wild predictions)
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@The Atrist Known as Walk, we been through this before and I'll state it again ScreenName King....Im not from a land where boxing fans were there inferiority complex on they chest. I dont care what Flag a fighter waves, where they were born or who they parents are.....all that is for you clowns to "fall in love with" shout out to Walk like Real and Chance.
I like styles. And look around DAWg....Im not alone when I say...Ricky was wack, Joe and Dave need to shut they mouths and Froch is wack.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
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VallaeBoy 2 years ago
lol at Vallae you still keeps on with the slating of just about any fighter past or present with a british passport to try and invoke a reaction from one of the british posters
Its like an attention seeking five year old scribbling on the wallpaper so daddy will put down the t.v remote and look their way...funny.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
"Vallae you still keeps on with the slating of just about any fighter past or presnt"
Never slated Lennox Lewis(imo the he best yall had....who fought for Canada in the Olympics no less)......plus I never dissed Chris"simply the BEst" either....just didn't like his chances in a fantasy fight against Ward.
Now if you done doing what you always accuse me of(slanting statements).....Im watching the replay of Saturdays fight.
talk about childish.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
cont: We'll see what happens when the springs arent there. Only time will tell.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@Valllae...oh dear, LIKE I SAID all those fighters are unavailable to Williams due to the super six for the next 18 months to 2 years and as for who you mentioned as middleweights most of them are natural 154lbers...cheers for affirming my point in a totally round about way though.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
@The Artist known as Walk, you got my names in your post an awful lot for a whinny little girl who hates criticism.
1st off no one said Paul would be taking on the SUper Six DURING the tourney(nice try....damn your who approach is more imaginary than Jim Henson)
2nd...I didnt call you Kelly's biggest fan....just the dude that cried a river and challenged me to a fight when I called him a Clown......clown
3rd....Guess your not into current events....Paul is doing just fine and Kelly is a fraud
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB who would win these?
Nigel Benn vs Arthur Abraham?
Chris Eubank vs Andre Ward?
Who takes them fights!?
123icecoldbeer 2 years ago
@123, AA . Benns rabbit punching and dirty tactics help him little against AA who can not only rumble but box. As for Chris and Andre....maybe Chis beats Andre at his prime...but at the same stages of there career(or WORST.....when Andre reaches his peak).....I got Oakland hands down.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@123...Primes to this date...AA KO's Benn who had an unreliable set of whiskers, would be exciting for how long it lasted but would be more smoking mirrors, AA would always be in control.
As for Eubank/Ward if Ward boxes sensible and doesnt do anything stupid he wins pretty comfortably on points, no way in hell he stops Eubank though.Eubank would be a threat to the final bell though, he had an hellacious uppercut and Ward sometimes jumps in, definite punchers chance for Chris but thats all.
walklikeachampion 2 years ago
@Trane, if these dudes was watching boxing back then they'd be riding with Donnie Lalonde and Geery Cooney...lol
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
donny lalonde wasnt bad he was a real good fighter.
JL87 2 years ago
@jl87, didnt say he was bad(also didnt say he was good..lol)...just said he was a dude most of these cats would have rolled with back in the day.......btw Jl87....who did dude beat and what in your opinion was his best showing?
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
Shout out to the idiots who still yelling that played out "I aint sold yet"....lol.....stick to your purchases of cats like Kelly,Ricky, David,Carl,Kessler and the rest......lmao
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
"Theres a reason why the back up off him...he's Floyd Mayweather, Paul Williams and Chad Dawson"
Royce Da 5'9 off the bar exam 3
@GYGB: Guess real recognize real no matter what the industry.
VallaeBoy 2 years ago
@GYGB: Crying game RIPed:
"Why doesn't Floyd fight SHane?"= to me "Why doesnt Sahen fight Paul?"
Oh yea...cause the best should fight the best only applies to Floyd Mayweather.
Time to burn that tissue paper boys and turn the page....cause if you aint noticed....its a DAmn good time to be a boxing fan
VallaeBoy 2 years ago