The watch salesman's 6 friends will shoot me in the face if I don't buy the watch. I could probably shoot and incapacitate 3 of them before they do. But, the other 4 are too much for me to handle even if I had a dangerous buddy to back me up. Buying the watch is the lesser evil for me. QQ
1st off most street vendors are selling knock off watches not hot watches, but for the record if I could score a real Tag or rolex for under $100 I could care less if it was so hot my eyes burned when I looked at it and Fuc the poor rich basturd that lost it, thank you very much.
I think the reason most people pass the guy by is because most people don't want to buy a watch. Your argument could be extended to a shopping mall. Most shoppers pass by most of the stores, not because they have any sort of aversion to them, but because those stores are not where they are going. And, the truth is, that guy does sell watches, enough watches to make it worth the risk and time and effort , if he didn't he would get into another business.
What if those people didn't simply -want- a watch? I get the message about virtues and the like, but seriously, who the hell really cares anymore? The system is messed up, if you don't steal or at least buy a few things out of 'black market' you will find yourself in a state of poverty due to our dept based system. If humans used half their brain, we wouldn't have allowed this to happen. People are in more fault of this than the governments. But waking up is only a dream for the few...
I don't get why that which is defined as "Criminal" is also that which is defined as "wrong"....yet the so-called victim bears no culpability at all.
All that can be considered a crime is avoidable, repelled, countered and ended with but a moments attention to one's life. Vilifying "Criminals" for "taking advantage of x y or z" just gives leeway for surrender of all personal responsibility.
Oh I wish I were better at this, so let me say this again. I disagree with you framing taxation as theft. What if we frame taxation as the price of admission into the society ? You are free to leave or drop out of society and not be stolen from. But if you want to stay and benefit from the society, well it can ask a price. Just like Disney Land, they are not stealing from you if you pay to get in. Part of our tax money goes to interest and the Fed but I find that irrelevant to this debate.
I doubt many, if anyone, passing by the watch salesman are foregoing the watches because he is involved in unethical behavior. It's more in line with the fact that you won't get a reciept, and that you will have no recourse if this guy rips you off. People don't give a damn that someone else was hurt by this guys activity, they just don't want to get ripped off themselves. Case and point, the rest of your video, and our society.
roads, schools, hospitals, poverty stricken people...aren't they the ward of our system, also?
Perhaps you're one of those folks who turn their head and cough when you see them ringing their bells in front of stores, or, when they knock at your door, you just say, "NO," and close the door.
Where I don't like being stiffed for money to go to war, put people in prison for not harming anyone, or health care for the politicians...I DO want to help those who need help.
Sorry about the childish responses on the wall everyone. You can't censor people into not hurting the movement... Peace and Freedom to the rest of you who help us advance the message and support the cause!
@shan00r there was a cure to aids! TWA Flight 800 was Shoot down by a military missile. On that flight there was scientists with something BIG that the government didnt want to be told!
Once again I've watched an other pointless anti-state video. Maybe the evils of the states need to be pointed out to us now again, but its not really the evil of the state, its the evil of man. At least this video has one real moral: Don't buy stolen watches.
@offroadjohnny You're right. The state is really an abstract concept. You can't touch it with your hand, or describe it's color, texture, smell, taste, or sound that it makes. You can't even point to the White House & say, "see, proof that the state is tangible," because it's only just a building. The state really only exists in our minds. Yet we ask & fund others to take otherwise completely immoral & evil actions in the name of the concept of a "state." That's the point of this vid, IMO.
@MrPloppy1 Too much hyperbole. Not ever action of the state is evil and immoral. In the USA, the vast bulk of what it does is good. Does money get miss spent? Sure some small %, but we have built roads and schools and looked into the darkest reaches of the universe. Do we fight in wars we should not? Yes, but we have fought in wars we should. Wishing it all away does not help, I don't know what will help, but I'll keep looking.
@offroadjohnny I can't deny that the govt does alot of good deeds. What I object to is the involuntary way that they collect the funds to do those deeds. It would be completely moral for me to ask my neighbor to give me 10% of his money so that I can give it to the poor widow woman down the street. I hope you think it would be immoral of me to put a gun to his head to give me 25% (the extra 15% pays for the gun) to do the same. How can the gun method be moral just by calling myself the state?
@MrPloppy1 If you define it as theft, it does not seem moral. I can give you that. But is it moral to pay your taxes (or immoral to not pay your taxes)? Are all immoral actions equal? Is it immoral to take immoral actions to stop other immoral actions? Would it make a different if we used the word rent instead of tax? (Side question: in your example you increased the % when you added the gun, would it have been moral if you had asked for a smaller %?)
@offroadjohnny I think his increase with the gun confused it. The point is the usage of a gun to take from one to give to another is completely immoral. It's theft. Advocating it is not a political thing, either. It's not a liberal thing, it's a flat out scum thing to do. Liberals (or anyone) who advocates this kind of theft from one to pay for another lack the testicles to go steal it themselves, and face consequences of such actions.
@mikejadoti Sorry, I do not agree with the basic argument that taxation is theft. They maybe very similar in action but the cause and results are very different. If nothing else, taxation benefits the society; were as theft only benefits the thief. I would go so far as to say that the argument that taxation is theft diminishes the immorality of theft and does little to increase the immorality of taxation.
@offroadjohnny So, if I break into your home, steal your belongings, and give away the proceeds to your neighbors (ala Robin Hood) and took none for myself, it wouldn't be theft? Or it would be a better form of theft? My theft of your stuff benefited society around you, so it's ok? In any case, our taxes go to pay interest on the federal debt, federal debt we only have because of the Fed, and benefits only those who own the Fed. Our taxes don't go to benefit society.
In this video you make the argument that people don't buy the watch because it's unethical to do so...I think it's because they're afraid of the consequences of buying a stolen watch.
My argument is no more credible than yours. But I'm just throwing it out there. Please comment back and prove me wrong.
Everyone, we must know how to identify rhetoric when we hear it. The speaker in the video made his arguments all based on his personal perspective, innuendo, and fallacies. I would suggest that paranoia is his problem. Visit my channel for a truth we can believe in, visit my channel for empowerment in our great nation.
With congressmen like Joe Barton we would be apologizing to the stolen watch salesmen and using tax payer money to give him a loan he never has to pay back. Even more we will print up trillions of dollars give that to him and he can sell more stolen knock off watches give the illusion of paying the government back. Then stick it to the next three generations of tax payers.
Great analogy, great video Mike. Once it is explained well, any reasonable person sees through the smoke and mirrors and can see that government is as an evil an institution as slavery was (is). Funded by its own monopoly on theft and violence.
nothing wrong with taking a little money off our checks so that others can have food, education, healthcare, and scientific research. I say raises the taxes for the rich, and increase organizational transparency so we know, in detail, how the tax money is spent. Makes sense....
That's like asking the mafia to be more transparent.... will never happen. They can't even balance a budget, and you want them to run other people's lives? All you are doing is pointing guns at people, you are DISCOURAGING peaceful interaction. THAT is what is wrong with the world. Government is coercion, it is force, it is threats of violence on peaceful people. Those who call for this violence are the problem in the world and often have no idea how they serve corporatism...
@mikeshanklin Are you a conspiracy theorist or something? Government may seem evil to you; someone with a job, who can afford private healthcare and a decent standard of living. But for the vast # of families that have to choose between working 14 hours a day for food or supervising their kids, government is literally a lifesaver. Government and corporations arent evil; they create jobs and services. we obviously dont like how mcdonalds and chevron works,but they arent out to get us. *continued*
@MyDormantSoul Here in Canada, government serves the people; taxation, is a tool that allows free, quality healthcare and social security for the poor. What violence r u talking about? No ones pointing a gun at you for protesting, they happen everyday. Social movements are growing, if there was this authoritarian corporatist state in US, then we wouldn't have youtube, liberalism, or progressive conservatives like yourself. Obviously corporations need to be controlled, and government does that.
@mikeshanklin may i say that i'm very fluid on these issues. i can agree 100% with a libertarian even anarchist standpoint but in the next breath advocate totally a socialist regime. i believe either could be an ideal format of governance if one single aspect could be removed...................human nature. i would argue that it is a fundamental trait to consider self benifit before community benifit. stronger in some than others but ever present. thoughts?
@MyDormantSoul then let the money be taken out of your wag, don't try and steal from me. I work hard for My money and I don't need any government assholes taking mine. You say there's nothing wrong with the government stealing a little money us huh. Then feed the beast with you wag not mine!!!!
@Nightshift10000 R u really so desperate for spare cash that you'd deny quality public services for the sake of a lower tax rate? The conservative party of Canada was proclaimed the party of tax cuts, they lowered the gst and pst by 2% over 6 years, I'll be lucky if that saves me 10 bucks a month. Even if you made 30 bucks a month AT BEST, you couldn't do shit with that. You could maybe buy 4 meals, you could maybe buy a book, you couldn't pay any energy bills, and you'd rape the poor for that?
@MyDormantSoul The government has already raised taxes, it's called inflationary tax. It hits the poor, and middle class the most. The real evil in our system is that of the federal reserve, they print money, for social security, health care, schools, and everything you want, yet printing that money hurts the people you say you want to help. It's a no win situation. You can take all the money, and property from everyone, not just the rich, and you couldn't pay off the US debt.
@asleeperj Im not for central banking either. If it werent for the wars, the debt, the interest paid on that debt, as well as a smaller and more focused stimulus package America wouldnt have to make huge spending cuts to social safety nets. But we fucked up and are now in a debt crisis. We need to raise taxes AND cut spending, the right loves spending cuts to social safety nets that shatter the lives of millions but as soon as someone mentions tax raises, thats just stealing and nothing more.
@MyDormantSoul The social nets couldn't exist without a private central bank, either. Look at the budget, 21% goes to social security, Medicare =14%, unemployment =13%, Health = 10% Thats 58%, We haven't passed a freaking budget in years, thanks to both parties. Yet you wan bureaucrats to make decisions on what people need? US charity donations have gone down, as more and more people expect the government to do it. Yet private charities are far more efficient than government.
@asleeperj That is a huge lie. The 2010 budget showed that mandatory spending, which is medicare, SS, Medicaid, Unemployment, and debt interest made up 14.9%, get your facts right. Social safety nets dont make up THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET you have to be crazy to believe that for an extended period of time. Look up the budget and play around with the numbers, if we cut military spending by 500 billion or more, used attrition to cut spending in other departments, and ended the fed, we'd be great
@asleeperj How does that prove that social safety requires the fed? Ye I ate my words on that, i read the given percentages when they were misappropriated. I am also going off the fact that SS will remain in surplus til 2025. Safety nets were always projected to be affordable, now Bush's tax cuts and defence spending will cost 7 trillion by 2019. if the fed didnt exist the money would have gone to the huge demand for safety nets during the 50s, instead it allowed us to spend on military as well
@MyDormantSoul SS has run out of money, SS tax is taking from your paycheck to supply current demand. The "lock box," as it was called is nothing more than federal IOU's sitting in a file cabinet in west Virginia. Therefor to cover the debt, they will do to seniors, and people who need it the most, the same thing they do to foreign bond holders, just print, and devalue the money. It works great for the government, but hurts the poor, and middle class the most.
@MyDormantSoul The money you pay today, does not go to your collective retirement account, it is immediately sent to those who currently take SS. The sad fact, is the government was planning on you, and I to die before we got benefits, this is why man call SS a ponzy scheme. I agree, without the war spending we would be better off, but the fact is, unless a NON establishment Rep/Dem is elected, this will continue until an ultimate collapse.
@asleeperj The US is headed for a collapse, the money's spent and there's no going back. I personally believe corporations lay off more ppl than they create jobs and I believe tax cuts will hardly change that. We need to get as much revenue as possible and stop transferring wealth towards individuals that are already wealthy and put it towards easing the coming crisis. Jobs are only gained when there is productivity like the dotcom boom or housing bubble I guess. Check my link on ur channel
@MyDormantSoul Yes US is headed for yet another down turn. Ending the federal reserve, immediately starts the correction process, and eliminates most of the debt we owe. LARGE Corporations do not have the sway one way or another in overall employment. How ever, 80% of the workforce in this country is employed by small business's, a quick look around the Bureau of Labor Statistics will show you. The more money you give the US, the more it spends on big corps.
@MyDormantSoul The major issue is corporatism, and favoritism, Check the top 100 lobbyist to the congress, you will find nothing but Unions, and major corporations, we have no voice, and it's our fault.
@asleeperj The major issue is the fed. They create market bubbles, they allow for new printing of money which allowed ppl and govts to believe they could afford both social safety and military empire. America's economy is built on a house of cards made up of crude oil exports and auto + housing bubbles. The US is so fucked and tax cuts wont do a thing. Capitalism only creates jobs when a) the markets are PRODUCING to meet demand or b)the govt is HIRING to meet demands, and a) isnt happening
@MyDormantSoul Believe you me, that the wealthiest of Americans would love nothing more than a collapse, just as in the great depression, the few will buy up many of the companies for pennies on the dollar. The government is involved in orchestrating this entire thing, as it was then 80 years ago.
@asleeperj Yea I agree, the oligarchy have basically achieved a power grab. They bring in two presidents, raise trillions in debt and the national religion becomes the economy. Now its nothing but spending cuts; which will kill jobs, kill benefits, which will give people less money to spend in the economy and kill more jobs, an tax cuts; which has no evidence to suggest that it will create jobs. This was a power grab by the oligarchy to strip the people of their benefits and regress into serfdom
@MyDormantSoul Actually, Government spending is always mis-allocation of resources. At the city level it is much less wasteful, but at the federal level, it causes bubbles and is the sole reason for the circular up and down gyrations of the economy. The government is too involved in employment to see any meaningful change, the minimum wage, unemployment benefits all add to the unemployment roster.
@MyDormantSoul Social Security Administration states that there are 60,000 recipients a month for social security. The average monthly payment is ~58B a month in SS payments, thats 960,000 dollars spent per person per month. My grand parents are on social security. They aren't getting that much money, where is the money going?
If we end the fed, then there would be no printed money to back social security. The history of social security was nothing more than a tax, back when it was started the government was planning on 90% of the people being dead before they reached the age of benefit. It's a broken system. We need to rethink the problems our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents have thrown upon us, else, my grand children will wake up homeless.
I agree with your mission and these ideas are totally true, but your presentation makes you look like a nutty conspiracy theorist. I would consider a new, more professional looking approach. I'm dead serious, I really do support the cause, so please don't take this as trolling.
@Seravat7 Haha, I thought you would be around! Just out of curiosity, when exactly, at what year AD, can we start to see this anarchist utopia rise? I'm so excited.
It won't happen in our lifetime, there are too many people who believe in government alchemy and wizardry.... just too many brainwashed lost minds.... It will probably take another million years for civilization to advance to that point where they can get voodoo out of their heads. My personal guesstimate....
@mikeshanklin Delusions of the necessity for government is hardly the only thing holding us away from such a utopia. The human mind bares many pathologies for which thorough education is the only cure, and society, it's current institutions and it's metaphysical traits, hold as many, and many of these things point to government as the proper solution. A functional stateless society is completely possible, and probably benefitial, but we are not ready for it. We're undeveloped.
@Pomme843 And putting undeveloped people in charge of us isn't an improvement, it's just an accentuation of the average.
"and many of these things point to government as the proper solution"
Sure, once indoctrinated by the state. Hell, given the proper magnet, I can make you a compass whose needle points east and west. It won't help anyone get where they need going, but it'll be really reassuring until you depend on it one day. ;)
@Pomme843 "name one adversity with which anarchy can cope, but not modern, functional government."
Education.
Defense of self and property.
Charity.
Communication.
Invasion.
Privacy.
And that's before I even address that "Anarchy" isn't a THING, that you can tell to "cope with that"... It's just a bunch of individuals finally being free to SHOOT the asshole invading your house, instead of going to jail while bumbling state cops figure out if he deserved it.
@Pomme843 I wonder. Nobody else around here is throwing that "utopia" fallacy around. Hw do you get a perfect society with imperfect people? And yet your premise is that if *I* fail to meet that standard, I've failed. How's YOUR thesis look? Does it offer some shade of utopia, or just further threats and promises of force for noncompliance to a government standard?
I agree with the main thrust of the argument. But it's a pity that an already downtrodden entrepreneur was used as an analogy for the government. Most people selling goods from a stall, or on the street, aren't selling stolen goods. This encourages people to think that only those with shops, paying taxes, are legitimate. This is another layer of control!
As I see it the taxation is not the problem. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars. The problem is we are being taxed without representation. The decisions make are done without our knowledge, input, or approval. Those we elect to represent us have forgotten why we chose them by the time they reach Washington. When ask why they didn't speak out in our defense they offer up lame excuses, and pat statements designed to blame another. The system fails us because they all are compulsive liars.
@Seravat7 I cannot say I disagree with you. In this case I was sent a message by someone I don't know on my friend's list to watch, rate, and comment on this video. They then went on to ask for donations on Paypal to support the cause. Not only would I not agree with a video under these conditions, I would never send money to anyone on YouTube. I did not buy the watch.
For 'We the Peoples'(the Masses)to pool our resources for the 'greater good' to ALL! (highways,schools,police,fire dept. etc) I agree with!! BUT that's when the 'theft' really begins!!! If 'elected' officials fulfilled their responsibility to THOSE that elected them!! ('Representative' government) and ONLY them! Then the system would work 'much better'! Right now Central Banks,Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex OWN 'our' Government!!!!
I appreciate this moral issue. I agree, as I chose to work for less money than what I could make off of ' unenjoyment'. People thought I was stupid but it was for my own principles that I chose to do it.
The problem is this issue goes very deep that mere humans may not be able to control the outcome. Meanwhile, I recommend research.
We all participate in something that is illegal; it's called government. Earth is a slave planet and money, keeps the slaves in line. If you stop co-operating with your slave masters, they will fail. Bit by bit, we have all been enslaved. Stop co-operating.
How do you know why those people didn't buy those watches? They may buy those watches in a less public area or if they cost less or if the person selling the watch were attractive etc...So this idea that people pass for ethical reasons is nonsense.
Sure some do but don't give this illusion that people are virtuous. These are the same people who advocate resources being taken violently to fund programs they like.
I've been trying to learn how to work on my own equipment etc...Learning how to grow my own food, and raise my own livestock....Not buying things, unless i can't make them myself...I nolonger use credit cards, and if i have to, cash a check, i withdraw the whole amount, asap...Learning Beekeeping....Anything i can do to not contribute to the system...I am self-employeed.I spend lots on gasoline..This is where they get me by the balls...I even try to run my business without insurance.
@SuperUnlawful I try to get the customers to agree to a contract that i am not liable for any damages..In return i give them a good discount..I try to get them to pay me in cash..I don't like to leave a money trail.....I see this as the fastest way to make an difference....I learned that i don't need to make as much money this way...I'm always thinking of how i can seperate myself from the system..I would hope that oneday i the system will become totally obsolete.
Mike, I'm moving closer and closer to opting out of the system... something which is considered a crime by our tyrannical governors. Do you pay taxes? If so, how do you justify it? For me, I think of the yearly tax ritual as a form of bribe to stay out of jail, but isn't that thinking ethically retarded? I'm beginning to think so and it worries me about my future.
Good thing the republicans are about to get back in power. They will cut social security ,cut medicare, raise the amount deducted from your pay exponentially and give rights to social security to the illegal aliens that corporate American bring in to cut the pay of workers from 9.50 an hour to 3.00 an hour while forcing American citizens into poverty. The really goddam funny thing is Americans will elect these thieves into office while giving them the knife to help cut their own balls off with.
@jobedied You must realize that the Neocon Republicans and the liberal Democrats are cut from the same cloth. Then you will be free to learn the truth.
@WreakingHavoc1 yes agree 100% the demo-rats have their own brand of theft and deception that works to do the same thing just comes around the other side of the table.
@jobedied illegal aliens are not pushing drugs on my street....It's the white, and black folk..I'm more concerned with protecting my home from invasion from the white/ black folk, than social security medicare, etc......There's a war going on, and i'm out gunned!
@SuperUnlawful it is the illegal aliens in my town selling the drugs two busts in the past year with a population of 8000 people 8 of 10 of the folks in the two rented houses were illegals 5 of them were part of the drug selling charges. That was not my point about illegals just that government itself is behind all the things that are in the forefront of problems. Like Bush said we lazy Americans will not do the jobs for low wages so illegals come to get ahead. Government is corrupt to the core.
Your father kept that watch stuck up his butt for three years. After he died, I stuck that watch up my butt for another two. This watch is your birth right.
I would not buy the watch because the seller is clearly untrustworthy. He got it through dishonest means which shows he is willing to be dishonest and so more likely to be dishonest with me. Therefore, I may be purchasing a broken watch, and if I am, I have no recorse once the item is purchased.
As for the state, I'd opt out if I could, but I do not know how to opt out w/o getting shot or haulled off to jail to rot the rest of my life away. I would if I could.
@LiberAnarchy You could move countries if you have the means. If i was living in the US i'd be giving it serious thought. The US is in deep trouble and if you don't get the infiltrators out of your govt. and end the Fed and sort out the criminal bankers and elites, then it is already over for the US
@73mandala Where do you recommend moving to? I can't think of a country on this planet that really respects any of the freedoms so many of us hold dear. Even if you move to a small island in the pacific, some island government will get it's single coastguard boat to come along and collect taxes or make sure you are obeying their laws. There is no independence.
One interesting idea to escape the tyrants is seasteading, but that's something far in the future, and well beyond my price range.
@watcher8o Come to Australia, we have it fairly good here and the govt. isn't corrupt. We have a great country,standard of living and a govt. who is pretty good for the ppl. We have a couple of issues with some of our leaders aligning with a certain country that alot of us here disagree with, but that may change as ppl become aware of it. We were the only western country to get through the financial crisis in good shape. We have plenty of work and good laws concerning banks and interest rates
@73mandala I hear your government prosecutes people for defending themselves and their homes with firearms. I like many Aussies, and I think your country is very nice, but, I wouldn't want to take up residence there just for this reason.
@watcher8o No mate not true. If someone enters your home it's called home invasion and if you fear for your life and or your families, you can use whatever amount of force you deem appropriate. A couple of years back an old man in his late 80s shot some scumbag in his house and didn't even get charged or saw a court over it. The old man was in a bad way health wise but he was a champion trap shooter (shotguns). No jury will convict you here for self defence, i know i've been through a trial
@watcher8o Also alot of ppl think our govt. disarmed us, but thats not true. What happened was the govt. did an amnesty on old weapons that had been unregistered and forgotten about, to get this potential threat of kids finding them in sheds etc they did a gun buy back, where you could take the weapon to the cops and they paid you cash for it. We are still armed here as well, they just got the old, illegal and forgotton weapons of the street.
@73mandala Interesting... but I was looking at the classifications for owning a gun and they are more restrictive than California's laws which are some of the worst in the US. I also heard people served 5 years for NOT turning their guns in, so this was far from optional. And then to watch assaults go through the roof and armed robbery statistics remain constant.
Another reason would be the Australian government's blacklisting of websites, squelching freedom of speech and information.
@watcher8o That business about censoring the net has brought about severe opposition. It was first touted as being directed at child pornograghy by the govt. but when some IT specialists got into the govts. ear about how the net works it went on the back burner. Gun laws are strict here, but if you have no violent or serious criminal convictions you can still own a weapon. We don't have fully auto weapons or military weapons though. So the gun ownership is pretty tight here.
@watcher8o Also the 5 yrs isn't correct. I myself was busted with an old unregistered rifle after the amnesty finished and went to court pleaded guilty and was only fined
@73mandala I'm sorry to hear you were fined for not submitting to the govt's demands.
I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro/con Australia tangent... Lord knows the US is much worse in many respects. Thank you for the information and enlightenment.
@EndTheFedRes Indeed. As Keynes himself said: "By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
these people dont buy watches simply because dont want to have problems with police and country justice system... and this is much more accurate answer than saying that they value virtue... maybe some, but surely not all of them...
and about government part.. well that is mostly true... democracy is coruptogenic is pathologic system, but people still believe that this system is their salvation... why? because people.. or more precisely "the mob" is stupid.. and while the mob rule in democracy..
@JizzonTheDark Yeah, I was thinking the same thing :) And it is probably good thing to support your local agorist knock-off watch salesman :), as long as they didn't steal them :(.
I enjoy the creativity of guys who can use appropriate cartoons in the videos. Must take a while to search for these things.
You're suggesting here that most people have a kind of schizophrenia. The watch seller is obvious and refusal to buy, doesn't conflict (superficially) with the lie that is accepted as truth. (It's like a fear of looking down, when you're on a ladder or something)
Man. That's a clumsy comment.........fuck it! I'm posting it anyway:)
you are not anarcho-capitalists you are capitalist anarchists see the difference anarchy first economics second.
death9719 6 months ago
@death9719 is how it should be
death9719 6 months ago
Another great vid Mike, keep up the excellent work.
ostralopithicus 7 months ago
The watch salesman's 6 friends will shoot me in the face if I don't buy the watch. I could probably shoot and incapacitate 3 of them before they do. But, the other 4 are too much for me to handle even if I had a dangerous buddy to back me up. Buying the watch is the lesser evil for me. QQ
RealityCheck05 9 months ago
racist hairlip the black people are far superior to your catacombs genes. do a video on early europe. monstrosity.
universeplayground 9 months ago
1st off most street vendors are selling knock off watches not hot watches, but for the record if I could score a real Tag or rolex for under $100 I could care less if it was so hot my eyes burned when I looked at it and Fuc the poor rich basturd that lost it, thank you very much.
419dman 11 months ago
3 minutes wasted...
(i am a proud capitalist, but.. was this video serious)
IsraeliAdamRusso 11 months ago
I think the reason most people pass the guy by is because most people don't want to buy a watch. Your argument could be extended to a shopping mall. Most shoppers pass by most of the stores, not because they have any sort of aversion to them, but because those stores are not where they are going. And, the truth is, that guy does sell watches, enough watches to make it worth the risk and time and effort , if he didn't he would get into another business.
MrLuluapples 1 year ago
What if those people didn't simply -want- a watch? I get the message about virtues and the like, but seriously, who the hell really cares anymore? The system is messed up, if you don't steal or at least buy a few things out of 'black market' you will find yourself in a state of poverty due to our dept based system. If humans used half their brain, we wouldn't have allowed this to happen. People are in more fault of this than the governments. But waking up is only a dream for the few...
Razgrits 1 year ago
i'd buy it if the price was right
bakker30 1 year ago
Great clip! Though:
I just wouldn't buy the watch because I suppose those watches aren't stolen but they are fakes.
But still this comparison works because its fraud and one big ripp off!
GanjaClaus 1 year ago
I don't get why that which is defined as "Criminal" is also that which is defined as "wrong"....yet the so-called victim bears no culpability at all.
All that can be considered a crime is avoidable, repelled, countered and ended with but a moments attention to one's life. Vilifying "Criminals" for "taking advantage of x y or z" just gives leeway for surrender of all personal responsibility.
Don't want to get mugged? Don't carry a wallet.
"Criminals" remind where our attention is not.
HotaruZoku 1 year ago
Oh I wish I were better at this, so let me say this again. I disagree with you framing taxation as theft. What if we frame taxation as the price of admission into the society ? You are free to leave or drop out of society and not be stolen from. But if you want to stay and benefit from the society, well it can ask a price. Just like Disney Land, they are not stealing from you if you pay to get in. Part of our tax money goes to interest and the Fed but I find that irrelevant to this debate.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
I doubt many, if anyone, passing by the watch salesman are foregoing the watches because he is involved in unethical behavior. It's more in line with the fact that you won't get a reciept, and that you will have no recourse if this guy rips you off. People don't give a damn that someone else was hurt by this guys activity, they just don't want to get ripped off themselves. Case and point, the rest of your video, and our society.
mikejadoti 1 year ago
roads, schools, hospitals, poverty stricken people...aren't they the ward of our system, also?
Perhaps you're one of those folks who turn their head and cough when you see them ringing their bells in front of stores, or, when they knock at your door, you just say, "NO," and close the door.
Where I don't like being stiffed for money to go to war, put people in prison for not harming anyone, or health care for the politicians...I DO want to help those who need help.
I LIKE helping others.
MisterBoneman 1 year ago
This retard desperately wants to be stefbot. You can tell by the way he talks and by the way he brings up really weak analogies about theft.
Im an anti statist, but yeah youre a dick
SecularNumanist 1 year ago
@SecularNumanist
Sorry about the childish responses on the wall everyone. You can't censor people into not hurting the movement... Peace and Freedom to the rest of you who help us advance the message and support the cause!
VoluntaryVirtues0com 1 year ago
What do we replace government with?
darknessofkrish 1 year ago
@darknessofkrish
What do you replace AIDS with?
mikeshanklin 1 year ago 18
@mikeshanklin We dont have a cure to Aids. So we must die when infected. No choice.
There are many such videos out there warning us of the dangers withOUT showing us the safe way.
Its like many other forms of fear mongering.
Goverment propogate their Corrupt system.
What do we have to back our criticism of the present system?
Just Criticism is not enough.....We need a solution.
shan00r 1 year ago
@shan00r there was a cure to aids! TWA Flight 800 was Shoot down by a military missile. On that flight there was scientists with something BIG that the government didnt want to be told!
hiphopalx 1 year ago
@hiphopalx .....Its not "there WAS". Its... "there IS" a cure to All Dieases.
You just have to stop Following Govt Sponsored Doctors, have some patients and an intent to explore Alternative medicines.
shan00r 1 year ago
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HelmetBlissta 1 year ago
Once again I've watched an other pointless anti-state video. Maybe the evils of the states need to be pointed out to us now again, but its not really the evil of the state, its the evil of man. At least this video has one real moral: Don't buy stolen watches.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@offroadjohnny You're right. The state is really an abstract concept. You can't touch it with your hand, or describe it's color, texture, smell, taste, or sound that it makes. You can't even point to the White House & say, "see, proof that the state is tangible," because it's only just a building. The state really only exists in our minds. Yet we ask & fund others to take otherwise completely immoral & evil actions in the name of the concept of a "state." That's the point of this vid, IMO.
MrPloppy1 1 year ago
@MrPloppy1 Too much hyperbole. Not ever action of the state is evil and immoral. In the USA, the vast bulk of what it does is good. Does money get miss spent? Sure some small %, but we have built roads and schools and looked into the darkest reaches of the universe. Do we fight in wars we should not? Yes, but we have fought in wars we should. Wishing it all away does not help, I don't know what will help, but I'll keep looking.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@offroadjohnny I can't deny that the govt does alot of good deeds. What I object to is the involuntary way that they collect the funds to do those deeds. It would be completely moral for me to ask my neighbor to give me 10% of his money so that I can give it to the poor widow woman down the street. I hope you think it would be immoral of me to put a gun to his head to give me 25% (the extra 15% pays for the gun) to do the same. How can the gun method be moral just by calling myself the state?
MrPloppy1 1 year ago
@MrPloppy1 If you define it as theft, it does not seem moral. I can give you that. But is it moral to pay your taxes (or immoral to not pay your taxes)? Are all immoral actions equal? Is it immoral to take immoral actions to stop other immoral actions? Would it make a different if we used the word rent instead of tax? (Side question: in your example you increased the % when you added the gun, would it have been moral if you had asked for a smaller %?)
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@offroadjohnny I think his increase with the gun confused it. The point is the usage of a gun to take from one to give to another is completely immoral. It's theft. Advocating it is not a political thing, either. It's not a liberal thing, it's a flat out scum thing to do. Liberals (or anyone) who advocates this kind of theft from one to pay for another lack the testicles to go steal it themselves, and face consequences of such actions.
mikejadoti 1 year ago
@mikejadoti Sorry, I do not agree with the basic argument that taxation is theft. They maybe very similar in action but the cause and results are very different. If nothing else, taxation benefits the society; were as theft only benefits the thief. I would go so far as to say that the argument that taxation is theft diminishes the immorality of theft and does little to increase the immorality of taxation.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@offroadjohnny So, if I break into your home, steal your belongings, and give away the proceeds to your neighbors (ala Robin Hood) and took none for myself, it wouldn't be theft? Or it would be a better form of theft? My theft of your stuff benefited society around you, so it's ok? In any case, our taxes go to pay interest on the federal debt, federal debt we only have because of the Fed, and benefits only those who own the Fed. Our taxes don't go to benefit society.
mikejadoti 1 year ago
In this video you make the argument that people don't buy the watch because it's unethical to do so...I think it's because they're afraid of the consequences of buying a stolen watch.
My argument is no more credible than yours. But I'm just throwing it out there. Please comment back and prove me wrong.
davani09 1 year ago
Everyone, we must know how to identify rhetoric when we hear it. The speaker in the video made his arguments all based on his personal perspective, innuendo, and fallacies. I would suggest that paranoia is his problem. Visit my channel for a truth we can believe in, visit my channel for empowerment in our great nation.
knightyou 1 year ago
@mikeshanklin re: your response to DrTomStevens....copying does equal theft.
atrickpay11 1 year ago
With congressmen like Joe Barton we would be apologizing to the stolen watch salesmen and using tax payer money to give him a loan he never has to pay back. Even more we will print up trillions of dollars give that to him and he can sell more stolen knock off watches give the illusion of paying the government back. Then stick it to the next three generations of tax payers.
jobedied 1 year ago
Bravo
KapaKastle 1 year ago
The analogy is flawed. Those watches are usually knockoffs, not stolen!
DrTomStevens 1 year ago
WOW -- !!!
That was really great. 10/10
JimmyDeLocke 1 year ago
Great analogy, great video Mike. Once it is explained well, any reasonable person sees through the smoke and mirrors and can see that government is as an evil an institution as slavery was (is). Funded by its own monopoly on theft and violence.
canubelieve 1 year ago
nothing wrong with taking a little money off our checks so that others can have food, education, healthcare, and scientific research. I say raises the taxes for the rich, and increase organizational transparency so we know, in detail, how the tax money is spent. Makes sense....
MyDormantSoul 1 year ago
@MyDormantSoul
That's like asking the mafia to be more transparent.... will never happen. They can't even balance a budget, and you want them to run other people's lives? All you are doing is pointing guns at people, you are DISCOURAGING peaceful interaction. THAT is what is wrong with the world. Government is coercion, it is force, it is threats of violence on peaceful people. Those who call for this violence are the problem in the world and often have no idea how they serve corporatism...
mikeshanklin 1 year ago 15
@mikeshanklin Are you a conspiracy theorist or something? Government may seem evil to you; someone with a job, who can afford private healthcare and a decent standard of living. But for the vast # of families that have to choose between working 14 hours a day for food or supervising their kids, government is literally a lifesaver. Government and corporations arent evil; they create jobs and services. we obviously dont like how mcdonalds and chevron works,but they arent out to get us. *continued*
MyDormantSoul 1 year ago
@MyDormantSoul Here in Canada, government serves the people; taxation, is a tool that allows free, quality healthcare and social security for the poor. What violence r u talking about? No ones pointing a gun at you for protesting, they happen everyday. Social movements are growing, if there was this authoritarian corporatist state in US, then we wouldn't have youtube, liberalism, or progressive conservatives like yourself. Obviously corporations need to be controlled, and government does that.
MyDormantSoul 1 year ago
@MyDormantSoul I have an exercise for you: search YT for "Protest video" and see how many include police violence.
Thinking that government controls corporations seems kinda backwards to me. Have you SEEN our government lately?
Who was it who said "When congress controls buying and selling, the first things to be bought and sold will be congressmen"?
Seravat7 1 year ago
@mikeshanklin may i say that i'm very fluid on these issues. i can agree 100% with a libertarian even anarchist standpoint but in the next breath advocate totally a socialist regime. i believe either could be an ideal format of governance if one single aspect could be removed...................human nature. i would argue that it is a fundamental trait to consider self benifit before community benifit. stronger in some than others but ever present. thoughts?
ImJustOldMate 9 months ago
@MyDormantSoul then let the money be taken out of your wag, don't try and steal from me. I work hard for My money and I don't need any government assholes taking mine. You say there's nothing wrong with the government stealing a little money us huh. Then feed the beast with you wag not mine!!!!
Nightshift10000 5 months ago
@Nightshift10000 R u really so desperate for spare cash that you'd deny quality public services for the sake of a lower tax rate? The conservative party of Canada was proclaimed the party of tax cuts, they lowered the gst and pst by 2% over 6 years, I'll be lucky if that saves me 10 bucks a month. Even if you made 30 bucks a month AT BEST, you couldn't do shit with that. You could maybe buy 4 meals, you could maybe buy a book, you couldn't pay any energy bills, and you'd rape the poor for that?
MyDormantSoul 5 months ago
@MyDormantSoul The government has already raised taxes, it's called inflationary tax. It hits the poor, and middle class the most. The real evil in our system is that of the federal reserve, they print money, for social security, health care, schools, and everything you want, yet printing that money hurts the people you say you want to help. It's a no win situation. You can take all the money, and property from everyone, not just the rich, and you couldn't pay off the US debt.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj Im not for central banking either. If it werent for the wars, the debt, the interest paid on that debt, as well as a smaller and more focused stimulus package America wouldnt have to make huge spending cuts to social safety nets. But we fucked up and are now in a debt crisis. We need to raise taxes AND cut spending, the right loves spending cuts to social safety nets that shatter the lives of millions but as soon as someone mentions tax raises, thats just stealing and nothing more.
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul The social nets couldn't exist without a private central bank, either. Look at the budget, 21% goes to social security, Medicare =14%, unemployment =13%, Health = 10% Thats 58%, We haven't passed a freaking budget in years, thanks to both parties. Yet you wan bureaucrats to make decisions on what people need? US charity donations have gone down, as more and more people expect the government to do it. Yet private charities are far more efficient than government.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj That is a huge lie. The 2010 budget showed that mandatory spending, which is medicare, SS, Medicaid, Unemployment, and debt interest made up 14.9%, get your facts right. Social safety nets dont make up THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET you have to be crazy to believe that for an extended period of time. Look up the budget and play around with the numbers, if we cut military spending by 500 billion or more, used attrition to cut spending in other departments, and ended the fed, we'd be great
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul No It really isn't. Base line budgeting is a bitch.
Fiscal Year 2010 Total = 3.5 Trillion Dollars
695B Social Security
571B Unemployment
453B Medicare
290B Medicade
Add the numbers 2.009 TRILLION
Thats 57.4%
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj How does that prove that social safety requires the fed? Ye I ate my words on that, i read the given percentages when they were misappropriated. I am also going off the fact that SS will remain in surplus til 2025. Safety nets were always projected to be affordable, now Bush's tax cuts and defence spending will cost 7 trillion by 2019. if the fed didnt exist the money would have gone to the huge demand for safety nets during the 50s, instead it allowed us to spend on military as well
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul SS has run out of money, SS tax is taking from your paycheck to supply current demand. The "lock box," as it was called is nothing more than federal IOU's sitting in a file cabinet in west Virginia. Therefor to cover the debt, they will do to seniors, and people who need it the most, the same thing they do to foreign bond holders, just print, and devalue the money. It works great for the government, but hurts the poor, and middle class the most.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul The money you pay today, does not go to your collective retirement account, it is immediately sent to those who currently take SS. The sad fact, is the government was planning on you, and I to die before we got benefits, this is why man call SS a ponzy scheme. I agree, without the war spending we would be better off, but the fact is, unless a NON establishment Rep/Dem is elected, this will continue until an ultimate collapse.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj The US is headed for a collapse, the money's spent and there's no going back. I personally believe corporations lay off more ppl than they create jobs and I believe tax cuts will hardly change that. We need to get as much revenue as possible and stop transferring wealth towards individuals that are already wealthy and put it towards easing the coming crisis. Jobs are only gained when there is productivity like the dotcom boom or housing bubble I guess. Check my link on ur channel
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Yes US is headed for yet another down turn. Ending the federal reserve, immediately starts the correction process, and eliminates most of the debt we owe. LARGE Corporations do not have the sway one way or another in overall employment. How ever, 80% of the workforce in this country is employed by small business's, a quick look around the Bureau of Labor Statistics will show you. The more money you give the US, the more it spends on big corps.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul The major issue is corporatism, and favoritism, Check the top 100 lobbyist to the congress, you will find nothing but Unions, and major corporations, we have no voice, and it's our fault.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj The major issue is the fed. They create market bubbles, they allow for new printing of money which allowed ppl and govts to believe they could afford both social safety and military empire. America's economy is built on a house of cards made up of crude oil exports and auto + housing bubbles. The US is so fucked and tax cuts wont do a thing. Capitalism only creates jobs when a) the markets are PRODUCING to meet demand or b)the govt is HIRING to meet demands, and a) isnt happening
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Believe you me, that the wealthiest of Americans would love nothing more than a collapse, just as in the great depression, the few will buy up many of the companies for pennies on the dollar. The government is involved in orchestrating this entire thing, as it was then 80 years ago.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@asleeperj Yea I agree, the oligarchy have basically achieved a power grab. They bring in two presidents, raise trillions in debt and the national religion becomes the economy. Now its nothing but spending cuts; which will kill jobs, kill benefits, which will give people less money to spend in the economy and kill more jobs, an tax cuts; which has no evidence to suggest that it will create jobs. This was a power grab by the oligarchy to strip the people of their benefits and regress into serfdom
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Actually, Government spending is always mis-allocation of resources. At the city level it is much less wasteful, but at the federal level, it causes bubbles and is the sole reason for the circular up and down gyrations of the economy. The government is too involved in employment to see any meaningful change, the minimum wage, unemployment benefits all add to the unemployment roster.
asleeperj 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Social Security Administration states that there are 60,000 recipients a month for social security. The average monthly payment is ~58B a month in SS payments, thats 960,000 dollars spent per person per month. My grand parents are on social security. They aren't getting that much money, where is the money going?
asleeperj 4 months ago
If we end the fed, then there would be no printed money to back social security. The history of social security was nothing more than a tax, back when it was started the government was planning on 90% of the people being dead before they reached the age of benefit. It's a broken system. We need to rethink the problems our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents have thrown upon us, else, my grand children will wake up homeless.
asleeperj 4 months ago
I agree with your mission and these ideas are totally true, but your presentation makes you look like a nutty conspiracy theorist. I would consider a new, more professional looking approach. I'm dead serious, I really do support the cause, so please don't take this as trolling.
linzerdinzertv 1 year ago
buyer beware - great video !
mustangersalie 1 year ago
State-ism? Psh. Go ahead, Mike Shanklin and that Lawrence Rose what's-his-face. Go on, make your anarchist utopia. See what happens.
Pomme843 1 year ago
@Pomme843 You again?
You mean LARKEN Rose.
Thanks, we will... Just get out of our way and let us.
Seravat7 1 year ago
@Seravat7 Haha, I thought you would be around! Just out of curiosity, when exactly, at what year AD, can we start to see this anarchist utopia rise? I'm so excited.
Pomme843 1 year ago
@Pomme843
It won't happen in our lifetime, there are too many people who believe in government alchemy and wizardry.... just too many brainwashed lost minds.... It will probably take another million years for civilization to advance to that point where they can get voodoo out of their heads. My personal guesstimate....
mikeshanklin 1 year ago
@mikeshanklin Delusions of the necessity for government is hardly the only thing holding us away from such a utopia. The human mind bares many pathologies for which thorough education is the only cure, and society, it's current institutions and it's metaphysical traits, hold as many, and many of these things point to government as the proper solution. A functional stateless society is completely possible, and probably benefitial, but we are not ready for it. We're undeveloped.
Pomme843 1 year ago
@Pomme843 And putting undeveloped people in charge of us isn't an improvement, it's just an accentuation of the average.
"and many of these things point to government as the proper solution"
Sure, once indoctrinated by the state. Hell, given the proper magnet, I can make you a compass whose needle points east and west. It won't help anyone get where they need going, but it'll be really reassuring until you depend on it one day. ;)
Seravat7 1 year ago
@Seravat7 I was not talking to you. Now, name one adversity with which anarchy can cope, but not modern, functional government.
Utopia "fallacy"? ???
Pomme843 1 year ago
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@Pomme843 "name one adversity with which anarchy can cope, but not modern, functional government."
Education.
Defense of self and property.
Charity.
Communication.
Invasion.
Privacy.
And that's before I even address that "Anarchy" isn't a THING, that you can tell to "cope with that"... It's just a bunch of individuals finally being free to SHOOT the asshole invading your house, instead of going to jail while bumbling state cops figure out if he deserved it.
Seravat7 1 year ago
@Pomme843 I wonder. Nobody else around here is throwing that "utopia" fallacy around. Hw do you get a perfect society with imperfect people? And yet your premise is that if *I* fail to meet that standard, I've failed. How's YOUR thesis look? Does it offer some shade of utopia, or just further threats and promises of force for noncompliance to a government standard?
Seravat7 1 year ago
I agree with the main thrust of the argument. But it's a pity that an already downtrodden entrepreneur was used as an analogy for the government. Most people selling goods from a stall, or on the street, aren't selling stolen goods. This encourages people to think that only those with shops, paying taxes, are legitimate. This is another layer of control!
dalriada842 1 year ago
interesting vid. thanks man
Donattello1 1 year ago 4
Love it, 137th thumb up added
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PlanetMother 1 year ago 4
This is good man.
DMU555 1 year ago 4
As I see it the taxation is not the problem. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars. The problem is we are being taxed without representation. The decisions make are done without our knowledge, input, or approval. Those we elect to represent us have forgotten why we chose them by the time they reach Washington. When ask why they didn't speak out in our defense they offer up lame excuses, and pat statements designed to blame another. The system fails us because they all are compulsive liars.
TheJustme636 1 year ago
@TheJustme636 Render unto the citizen what is the citizens.
Seravat7 1 year ago
@Seravat7 I cannot say I disagree with you. In this case I was sent a message by someone I don't know on my friend's list to watch, rate, and comment on this video. They then went on to ask for donations on Paypal to support the cause. Not only would I not agree with a video under these conditions, I would never send money to anyone on YouTube. I did not buy the watch.
TheJustme636 1 year ago
@TheJustme636
fuck Caesar
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
Too much disinfomation , tap dancing around the elephants in the room.
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RockwellPorter 1 year ago
great video mike
finefilth 1 year ago 3
For 'We the Peoples'(the Masses)to pool our resources for the 'greater good' to ALL! (highways,schools,police,fire dept. etc) I agree with!! BUT that's when the 'theft' really begins!!! If 'elected' officials fulfilled their responsibility to THOSE that elected them!! ('Representative' government) and ONLY them! Then the system would work 'much better'! Right now Central Banks,Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex OWN 'our' Government!!!!
loylocy 1 year ago
Mike Shanklin for President! Great Vid Brother
SVTDEMON420 1 year ago 7
@SVTDEMON420 if you'd vote for him, i don't think you really understand his point..
itellsya 1 year ago
Good video
JimmyMorrisIII 1 year ago 4
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"Fair Tax!" is that something like "Fair Rape" ?
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
Nope never buy any watch from anyone, even a licensed business.
It follows the unfunded mandated laws that people for some reason just go along with like the need to wear clothes, unfunded mandates.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
good work thuumbs up
serialllkissser 1 year ago
Maybe they walk by because they already have a fucking watch? False premise...
Pi11z3ury 1 year ago
No, i WOULD NEVER BUY FROM THOSE PEOPLE.
connerjd 1 year ago
Fair Tax!
blitzkreig40 1 year ago
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@blitzkreig40 "Fair Tax!" is that something like "fair rape" ?
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
sorry but some taxes are much needed. not including the federal income tax
fatkidinabucket 1 year ago
Mostly Junk working.
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campaign4liberty 1 year ago
Mike,
I appreciate this moral issue. I agree, as I chose to work for less money than what I could make off of ' unenjoyment'. People thought I was stupid but it was for my own principles that I chose to do it.
The problem is this issue goes very deep that mere humans may not be able to control the outcome. Meanwhile, I recommend research.
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swizzlecheeks 1 year ago
most people have got a watch already ;-)
...but they want another if it's "free" - a present from bureaucrats.
grraadd 1 year ago
We all participate in something that is illegal; it's called government. Earth is a slave planet and money, keeps the slaves in line. If you stop co-operating with your slave masters, they will fail. Bit by bit, we have all been enslaved. Stop co-operating.
rollsthepaul 1 year ago
Excellent, looking forward to part 2 for "holding hand" explanation for mainstream people 'unaware' who won't understand this video by itself... :)
betsymetz 1 year ago
How do you know why those people didn't buy those watches? They may buy those watches in a less public area or if they cost less or if the person selling the watch were attractive etc...So this idea that people pass for ethical reasons is nonsense.
Sure some do but don't give this illusion that people are virtuous. These are the same people who advocate resources being taken violently to fund programs they like.
lukewarmstormed 1 year ago
Ugh. Capitalism is now synonymous with corporatism. Might as well use the common definition.
SomethingSea1 1 year ago
EPICCCCCC!
SomethingSea1 1 year ago
I've been trying to learn how to work on my own equipment etc...Learning how to grow my own food, and raise my own livestock....Not buying things, unless i can't make them myself...I nolonger use credit cards, and if i have to, cash a check, i withdraw the whole amount, asap...Learning Beekeeping....Anything i can do to not contribute to the system...I am self-employeed.I spend lots on gasoline..This is where they get me by the balls...I even try to run my business without insurance.
SuperUnlawful 1 year ago
@SuperUnlawful I try to get the customers to agree to a contract that i am not liable for any damages..In return i give them a good discount..I try to get them to pay me in cash..I don't like to leave a money trail.....I see this as the fastest way to make an difference....I learned that i don't need to make as much money this way...I'm always thinking of how i can seperate myself from the system..I would hope that oneday i the system will become totally obsolete.
SuperUnlawful 1 year ago
lol i used to buy stolen shit all the time.
youngn420 1 year ago
Mike, I'm moving closer and closer to opting out of the system... something which is considered a crime by our tyrannical governors. Do you pay taxes? If so, how do you justify it? For me, I think of the yearly tax ritual as a form of bribe to stay out of jail, but isn't that thinking ethically retarded? I'm beginning to think so and it worries me about my future.
watcher8o 1 year ago
@watcher8o The Matrix goes far deeper than you realize. See wssic (dot) com for starters.
WreakingHavoc1 1 year ago
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watcher8o 1 year ago
DON'T BUY THE WATCH! Get arrested instead? That's not much of an option.
thejobloshow 1 year ago
Good thing the republicans are about to get back in power. They will cut social security ,cut medicare, raise the amount deducted from your pay exponentially and give rights to social security to the illegal aliens that corporate American bring in to cut the pay of workers from 9.50 an hour to 3.00 an hour while forcing American citizens into poverty. The really goddam funny thing is Americans will elect these thieves into office while giving them the knife to help cut their own balls off with.
jobedied 1 year ago
@jobedied You must realize that the Neocon Republicans and the liberal Democrats are cut from the same cloth. Then you will be free to learn the truth.
WreakingHavoc1 1 year ago
@WreakingHavoc1 yes agree 100% the demo-rats have their own brand of theft and deception that works to do the same thing just comes around the other side of the table.
jobedied 1 year ago
@jobedied illegal aliens are not pushing drugs on my street....It's the white, and black folk..I'm more concerned with protecting my home from invasion from the white/ black folk, than social security medicare, etc......There's a war going on, and i'm out gunned!
SuperUnlawful 1 year ago
@SuperUnlawful it is the illegal aliens in my town selling the drugs two busts in the past year with a population of 8000 people 8 of 10 of the folks in the two rented houses were illegals 5 of them were part of the drug selling charges. That was not my point about illegals just that government itself is behind all the things that are in the forefront of problems. Like Bush said we lazy Americans will not do the jobs for low wages so illegals come to get ahead. Government is corrupt to the core.
jobedied 1 year ago
@jobedied Yeah, i guess it depends what area your live....I agree!The govenment is corrupt to the core.
SuperUnlawful 1 year ago
I disagree.
soundcheck127 1 year ago
Your father kept that watch stuck up his butt for three years. After he died, I stuck that watch up my butt for another two. This watch is your birth right.
bootsdog3 1 year ago
Who wears watches, nowadays, anyway? Not me!
caltrop69 1 year ago
I would not buy the watch because the seller is clearly untrustworthy. He got it through dishonest means which shows he is willing to be dishonest and so more likely to be dishonest with me. Therefore, I may be purchasing a broken watch, and if I am, I have no recorse once the item is purchased.
As for the state, I'd opt out if I could, but I do not know how to opt out w/o getting shot or haulled off to jail to rot the rest of my life away. I would if I could.
LiberAnarchy 1 year ago
@LiberAnarchy You could move countries if you have the means. If i was living in the US i'd be giving it serious thought. The US is in deep trouble and if you don't get the infiltrators out of your govt. and end the Fed and sort out the criminal bankers and elites, then it is already over for the US
73mandala 1 year ago
@73mandala Where do you recommend moving to? I can't think of a country on this planet that really respects any of the freedoms so many of us hold dear. Even if you move to a small island in the pacific, some island government will get it's single coastguard boat to come along and collect taxes or make sure you are obeying their laws. There is no independence.
One interesting idea to escape the tyrants is seasteading, but that's something far in the future, and well beyond my price range.
watcher8o 1 year ago
@watcher8o There is another option. See republicfortheunitedstates (dot) org
WreakingHavoc1 1 year ago
@watcher8o Come to Australia, we have it fairly good here and the govt. isn't corrupt. We have a great country,standard of living and a govt. who is pretty good for the ppl. We have a couple of issues with some of our leaders aligning with a certain country that alot of us here disagree with, but that may change as ppl become aware of it. We were the only western country to get through the financial crisis in good shape. We have plenty of work and good laws concerning banks and interest rates
73mandala 1 year ago
@73mandala I hear your government prosecutes people for defending themselves and their homes with firearms. I like many Aussies, and I think your country is very nice, but, I wouldn't want to take up residence there just for this reason.
watcher8o 1 year ago
@watcher8o No mate not true. If someone enters your home it's called home invasion and if you fear for your life and or your families, you can use whatever amount of force you deem appropriate. A couple of years back an old man in his late 80s shot some scumbag in his house and didn't even get charged or saw a court over it. The old man was in a bad way health wise but he was a champion trap shooter (shotguns). No jury will convict you here for self defence, i know i've been through a trial
73mandala 1 year ago
@watcher8o Also alot of ppl think our govt. disarmed us, but thats not true. What happened was the govt. did an amnesty on old weapons that had been unregistered and forgotten about, to get this potential threat of kids finding them in sheds etc they did a gun buy back, where you could take the weapon to the cops and they paid you cash for it. We are still armed here as well, they just got the old, illegal and forgotton weapons of the street.
73mandala 1 year ago
@73mandala Interesting... but I was looking at the classifications for owning a gun and they are more restrictive than California's laws which are some of the worst in the US. I also heard people served 5 years for NOT turning their guns in, so this was far from optional. And then to watch assaults go through the roof and armed robbery statistics remain constant.
Another reason would be the Australian government's blacklisting of websites, squelching freedom of speech and information.
watcher8o 1 year ago
@watcher8o That business about censoring the net has brought about severe opposition. It was first touted as being directed at child pornograghy by the govt. but when some IT specialists got into the govts. ear about how the net works it went on the back burner. Gun laws are strict here, but if you have no violent or serious criminal convictions you can still own a weapon. We don't have fully auto weapons or military weapons though. So the gun ownership is pretty tight here.
73mandala 1 year ago
@watcher8o Also the 5 yrs isn't correct. I myself was busted with an old unregistered rifle after the amnesty finished and went to court pleaded guilty and was only fined
73mandala 1 year ago
@73mandala I'm sorry to hear you were fined for not submitting to the govt's demands.
I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro/con Australia tangent... Lord knows the US is much worse in many respects. Thank you for the information and enlightenment.
watcher8o 1 year ago
woo hoo!
vdubs4life1964 1 year ago
On Ron Paul's desk is a sign that reads;
Don't steal the government hates competition.
Now our government is robbing you blind via inflation.
EndTheFedRes 1 year ago 2
@EndTheFedRes Indeed. As Keynes himself said: "By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
WreakingHavoc1 1 year ago
the most intelligent video i saw recently..great message bother..
Nosheepfull 1 year ago 2
5*S
idontbelieveinDeath 1 year ago
this is some good stuff
keep up the good work
OOPS4U2CNOW 1 year ago 14
these people dont buy watches simply because dont want to have problems with police and country justice system... and this is much more accurate answer than saying that they value virtue... maybe some, but surely not all of them...
and about government part.. well that is mostly true... democracy is coruptogenic is pathologic system, but people still believe that this system is their salvation... why? because people.. or more precisely "the mob" is stupid.. and while the mob rule in democracy..
Runaurufu 1 year ago
i like the analogy, although in my experience the watch is just a knock-off.
JizzonTheDark 1 year ago 4
@JizzonTheDark
So is government...
mikeshanklin 1 year ago 18
@JizzonTheDark Yeah, I was thinking the same thing :) And it is probably good thing to support your local agorist knock-off watch salesman :), as long as they didn't steal them :(.
ericfontainejazz 1 year ago
Cool video Mike - Thanks
I enjoy the creativity of guys who can use appropriate cartoons in the videos. Must take a while to search for these things.
You're suggesting here that most people have a kind of schizophrenia. The watch seller is obvious and refusal to buy, doesn't conflict (superficially) with the lie that is accepted as truth. (It's like a fear of looking down, when you're on a ladder or something)
Man. That's a clumsy comment.........fuck it! I'm posting it anyway:)
zalida100 1 year ago
great.... thank you for educate the masses. AGORA!!!!!!!!
backatone000 1 year ago
As usual, great video.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago 3
great.... thank you for trying to educate the masses. AGORA
backatone000 1 year ago
Would you work/buy for a bank and/or multinational?
Cantona's REVOLUTION against banks!
watch?v=upbL8XiQ_io
The system is based in banks, take your money out (next december 7th), and politicians will have to govern for people, and not for banks.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
i like cheese !
glasseay 1 year ago
corruption/evil usually comes from above, peace!
MrMinutemen 1 year ago