2 of 11 - A Judged Creation (A Great Fossilization) - Billy Crone

[Kingram417]

Proverbs 14:7 "Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." And remember not to cast your pearls before swine. Do not argue with these scoffers people. They have chosen willfull ignorance. The fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom. They don't even have the beginning. So don't argue, just pray that the Father would have mercy on them and open their eyes. Pastor Billy is spot on (except for the rapture). GREAT TEACHING!!

[gastarbeiter1]

This guy is a good actor, should go to TV with it.He could play a lunatic or a comedian.Nobody can take this guy serious...

[NorthForkFisherman]

So here's the big question: Why would a deity of any sort resort to using a flood to kill everything? Animals can't sin. Neither can plants. If Yahweh can smite Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as send the Angel of Death to hook up Moses, why was it so impotent then? Was he waiting to level up? Achievement unlocked: GLOBAL GENOCIDE. It's silly once you think about it.

[WeFalDwnButWeGetBkUp]

THIS GUY ROCKS

[NorthForkFisherman]

@WeFalDwnButWeGetBkUp You mean he's got rocks in his head. Just because he's yelling like a freaked-out crackhead doesn't make him right. He keeps trying to say that there was a Noachian Flood when the evidence clearly shows that no such thing happened. Things like this clear lie (or distortion from ignorance)drive people away from the church. One thing is abundantly clear, a literal reading of Genesis is simply wrong.

[7olusegun]

Wow! I believe the flood was global & everything on land that had breath (outside the ark of Noah) died and after the flood, Noah's ark rested on mountain Ararat (in Asia minor, Turkey). Why then are similar kinds of animals called Marsupials found alive and well in Australia, while it is probably known that these marsupials are not expert and/or long distance swimmers? How did Marsupials like kangaroos, opossums and koalas appear alive and well in Australia? Beats me. Any reasonable answer?

[WeAreRaptureReady]

it so sad that the people that believe in evolution is going to join the father of evolution darwin in hell so sad but God gave you videos like this to repent but if you don't you will scoff till the time you die and you will remember this video and evertime you heard about JESUS and you will be screaming why didn't i listen.

[ryerye1111]

Sounds more like an instant flash of radiation or the force of an astroid to me. Just like an atomic explosion. In Hiroshima, I went to the exibits at peace park and it shows peoples shadows fossilized on cement steps because they died so fast, that seems like its much more logical evidence. Maybe god layed a nuclear bomb down lol

[ryerye1111]

I would think for one, a fish would swim during a flood, not die instantly, and a dinosaur to let loose of its prey if it was suddenly washed away in a flood and not die instantly. Sorry I guess god made me to intelligent to believe water killed fossils as soon as it touched them. I'll keep searching for the answers, I like to keep my mind open, just seems this made me go backwards.

[AreYouSaved]

Great presentation Billy.

You sure eat your weetabix in the morning (UK joke).

Talk about high gear. Don't give up the good fight Billy.

[DisforDubby]

UM excuse me here... I left several comments on this video and instead of getting good replies to them people just voted them down... come on people, dont take the easy way out!

[ryjohnston]

@DisforDubby its ok why should people debate? i think these people are here to learn ... possibly the basics ... they can't fight you when they are just learning ... so like a class room they are looking answers and all they here from you is that what they are learning is wrong when they need to learn that for themselfs...(or maybe they might be right...maybe)

[TheScienceFoundation]

If you're here to learn, then learn form Disfor or myself, we're the only ones here speaking anything supported by any actual evidence.

[roll413]

great stuff. God is ready to come again. You better get ready. You dont want to be here during the 7 yrs of tribulation. Better be tight and right. Jesus loves you. and he is the only way.

[DisforDubby]

lol its funny you think that stuff is true... the rapture... 7 years of tribulation. if only you knew how many flaws there were in all the things that lead to your "understanding" of these things...

[ryjohnston]

@DisforDubby plz i wish to learn more of the flaws in this "understanding" plz explain in greatter detail

[TheScienceFoundation]

The fossil record as it is now is exactly the opposite of what we should expect to find if all species lived contemporaneously and were killed all at once, no humans with dinosaurs, no lobsters with trilobites, at all, anywhere.

All you're doing with this shouty nonsense is ostracizing intelligent believers and repelling intelligent people who might have possibly been interested.

[DisforDubby]

I agree with you, and look, all they can do is vote our comments down. No intelligent rebuttals to my opposing comments

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Okay lets look at the evidence presented about fossils. Where are they found? i The world was flooded and thus anything living on it wold have been covered in sediment and clay then preserved correct that is undisputable. Were are fossils found BINGO setiment and clay. LOL dont you just love facts. Thus proving the world was flooded and what time frame was that in also trilobites have been found in the Colorado Mountains explain that one maybe a flood perhaps. Logical I tihnk so.

[TheScienceFoundation]

That's completely non sequitur, you're jumping from 'organisms were covered with sediment' to 'the entire globe was flooded' without any correlation let alone causation. You're also omitting the fact that absolutely nothing about the fossil record indicates that all species lived contemporaneously, not least of all there is no sign of sorting of organisms according to their hydrodynamic principles.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Actually almost all of our geology and coastlines show a form of flooding and if you dig deeper you find more like the mass graves found all over the world. The thing about the mass graves is they prove it all thier are so many species in them it boggles the mind. How did a wooly mammoth die next to a Rhino, then not rot?instant fossilization? You just do not want to look at the facts. Stop manipulating your way around the facts. I am a educated man who loves truth.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Signs of flood != signs of global floodMammoths only died out ~10,000 years ago, and the initial preservation of a future fossil is relatively instant, it has to be covered immediately.  I'm the only one in this conversation looking at the facts.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Also what can cause instant fossilization? I will tell you, massive amounts of earth moved on top of a living organism very fast.. What else you say? Massive amounts of WATER PRESSURE. Whoo you got it, instant fossilization.You should put that in a paper one day it could make you famous. I am very worried about you is the evidence of Gods power not clear enough for you? I am really concerned, you came to this page for a reason maybe God wants you to open your mind to him.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Water pressure isn't really a big factor and too much can actually crush an organisms frame if it's not suited for it. What evidence for ANY of gods power has been presented? I came to this page because of the pseudo-science being spread on it.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Pseudo science thats what ya call it and water pressure alone will crush a fram but when it is sorrounded by dirt clay ect it becomes a preserving agent. you have to add in all the facotrs not leave out what is handy to you to make your ideals fit into your beliefs. Whos practicing psuedo science now, seems like you are. Dont massage the facts.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Just to clarifiy, simply encasing an organism doesn't make it a fossil, it has to be mineralized. Which part do you think is 'inconvenient' to evolution?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation okay so you want to change the subject do you? Evolution you say! Well what came first the chicken or the egg?

[TheScienceFoundation]

The egg, amphibians and reptiles were laying eggs long before birds ever existed.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation lol well what came first the lizard or the egg and how did they survive a brutal earlly atmosphere of earth when if we lived in that time we would have perished. assuming all of the science is correct which it is not.

[TheScienceFoundation]

The organism containing the change in an allele frequency permitting it to lay eggs would've come first.

Noone ever said science was always correct, science is a self correcting process.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Okay so where did the basic building blocks of life come from and how did they come into bieng? Dont tell me it came from rain hitting rocks for millions of years either thats rubbish.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Yeah that IS rubbish, and whoever told you that has anything to do with the origin of life should be schooled.

It'd be quicker and more elaborate check out the 'origin of' series by the user cdk007

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation well explain how complex amino acids formed to create life. the odds of that happening are 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power. Also how did a organism survive the harsh early enviroment of earth. also what did it eat? Evolution is still a theory and will remain so the is no evidence of evolution AT ALL bieng true. I think evolution is in itself a religion to believe in it takes tremendous faith. Go ahead give me your proof of it bieng proven.

[TheScienceFoundation]

1: Where are you getting your odds?

2: It has nothing to do with chance, dehydration synthesis is not chance.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation LOL I was hoping you would ask it is Sir Fredrick Hoyle and he was as gifted as Albert Eistien he was also a evolutionist and he said the odds of life forming would be like a tornado going through a junkyard and leaving behind a perfectly formed 747 ready to fly. thats about 1 in 10 to the 40000 power his words not mine look it up I dare you.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Hoyle was an astronomer and mathematician, not a biologist, and once again, he calculated the odds by chance, the processes that form the building blocks of life are not chance.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Well Albert Eistien was a patent clerk that didnt stop him did it. And a mathmatician is what it would take to calculate that who else would you use a plumber? And wtf yes there is chance involved with that. There is also a chance of you overlooking facts actually that is certain I am done with this conversation but I suggest you stop believing in santa clause and the toothfairy as well. Use your head for once ask a question hell ask alot of them.

[TheScienceFoundation]

I wouldn't use anyone to calculate the odds of something that wasn't based on chance.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Chance is involved wheter you like it or not. And this debacle I have come to a conclusion about is that there is science strong science I may add that levels the scale against Darwins theory for instance Darwin viewed the single cell as simple we know today it is more complex than anything a human can build or even dream up. So it comes down to a debate about world view and politics not science. Darwin was an idiot in todays terms of scientific understanding , his theory is outdated and false

[TheScienceFoundation]

Which part do you think is chance?  A single cell has also been evolving for 3.8 billion years. Darwin was as correct as anyone could be considering the evidence, and his theory stands as the most scrutinized scientific model in history.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation ABsolutley not a cell has not been evolving we know today the DNA of a cell prevents that from happening it actually has a defense mechanism in it to PREVENT evolution that is a scientific fact that is why when the fruit fly experiments yielded no credible result because after the experiment the offspring of the flies returned to normal as their offspring did as well. STOP BEING SPOON FED nonsense

[TheScienceFoundation]

Uh no, the average mammalian embryo has 125 mutations its parents did not, the error correction mechanisms you may have wrongly heard about from Wells or Meyer do not affect point mutations.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

okay give me 125 examples of a beneficial mutation and cite your sources so I can research them

[TheScienceFoundation]

go to pubmed dawt gov and type in beneficial mutations.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Okay I looked and I did not see any evolution in that whatsoever I did see variations of kinds but that is not evolution its just diversity, I did not see a gain in genetic information in the least. Can you give just one example of new genetic information being created through process of evolution and do stick to the scientific method and do not use gene therapy either or gene splicing either it is just reusing information already available. Evolution only occurs in your imagination.

[TheScienceFoundation]

That's what evolution is, changes in heritable traits in populations, variation. I would ask you to define what you would consider an addition of genetic information because by every practical scientific and mathematical definition, additions of genetic information have been observed to the point of becoming commonplace. A great example is nylonase, duplication + mutation = net gain of information.

It seems you've already made your mind up and no amount of evidence would change your mind.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Like I said all Darwin did was prove variations of kinds he did not prove evolution. If evolution was true we would find many many billions of transitional fossils and we have found ZERO. Show me your evidence you cannot prove evolution with Darwins variations of species it is incompatible to say the least show me one example of new genetic information being created. And the thing about those finches it was 1/10 of a millimeter in thickness of beaks but they were still a damn finch wasnt it?

[TheScienceFoundation]

But what you said is irrelevant because you have no idea what you're talking about, variation IS evolution, kinds is not a scientifically accepted classification. Zero transitional fossils? We've found a bird with conical teeth and a bony tail, we've found fish with necks and carpal bones, we've found every major step in the transition of the marine mammals middle ear. I've already shown you genetic information being added, in the example I gave the percentage of functional genes increased

[Iraqveterankill4real]

variation is not evolution no matter how many time a dog or human breeds it will always produce a dog or a human. not a whale or a tiger or a monkey.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population, variation.

Do you recognize that mutations occur at a relatively steady rate?

Do you recognize that because of these mutations, barring massive continuous inbreeding, generation A will be more genetically similar to generation B than it will generation C and so on?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

You havent shown me anything you have asked for me to use my imagination to make your "evidence" fit. Also that bird I assume was the one in asia that had teeth and wings and hind legs like a dinosaur. well that has been proven to be a fake. Go ahead and belive you cam from nothing it is not hurting my feeling just stop teaching lies to children.

[TheScienceFoundation]

No, I've asked you what you would consider a gain in genetic information, you dodged that promptly. No, I was not referring to archaeoraptor, thats what you get for assuming. Last I checked I never said we came from nothing, and the only scientifically tenable position expressed here has been mine

[Iraqveterankill4real]

I asked you where did the genetic information come from to start with so a cell can assemble,function and perform mitosis. You have dodge that one firmly and dont give me that RNA crap it is rubbish. Evolution is not science it is a world view a religion that preaches death. Lets see shall I look to the Third Reich for proof of that. Yup they were evolutionist atheists and they performed mass genocide of "undesirables". As said before the only place evolution happens is in your imagination.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Let me guess your going to bring up Ardi next aren't you well scientists are now backing off that claim LOL I wonder why. Still NO PROOF of evolution.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

"Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung round his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin." (Luke 17:1b-2 RSV) Stop telling lies to children

[Iraqveterankill4real]

And that net gain of information cam from another compatible mate is was not created just put together in the womb, egg, ect. Your not fooling anybody here I am not a simpleton care to try again?

[TheScienceFoundation]

No, see you ARE a simpleton that rejects out of hand anything that goes against what you already wanted to believe. Since you're not understanding what constitutes an increase in genetic information, lets hear what you think WOULD constitute a gain in information.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Well if I am a simpleton it is only because people like you forced some bullshit down my throat. Also you have avoided my legitimate scientific questions like where did the information in a cell come from? That is a scientific question and no when organisms reproduce mainly humans both sexes already have the information ready to be used in the process. no new information is gain the information was at the beginning to start with. SO I believe you owe me an apology dumbass.

[TheScienceFoundation]

No, it's because you're closed minded to anything that doesn't already involve your brand of space magic. I've already answered where the information in a cell comes form in a way completely coherent with information theory mathematics. When a gene duplicates, thats a net gain in material to work with, when that duplicate mutates, thats the addition of new distinguishing characteristics, aka information. Think of it like running off a copy of a book, then going through and annotating it.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation I am sorry I got my facts wrong on that one it wasnt the odds of a complex organism forming. Those are the odds of a cell wall forming not even the whole cell. LOL I bet the odds of a human forming is impossible without a designer.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Hundreds of thousands of humans form every day with no evidence of design

[Iraqveterankill4real]

what about the DNA that is information and information only makes information so where did the first information chin(DNA) come from? And it did not form it was MADE so dont even try and tell me DNA is simple

[TheScienceFoundation]

DNA is double stranded, RNA is typically single stranded but can become double stranded. RNA has far fewer composite requirements than DNA but can actually produce the things that DNA needs that RNA doesn't. Of course DNA is complex, it's been evolving for 3.8 billion years.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

in you imagination it has been evolving and NOWHERE else. Face it your wrong

[TheScienceFoundation]

Oh no, in reality, evolution is the only theory that provides any testable and practical mechanism to explain the patterns found in the fossils, in genetics etc. and it explains it all.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Stop telling lies it has not been proven and cannot be tested and proven with the scientific method that is a FACT. And what fossils are you referring to please give me and example and cite your sources and then proven that fossil reproduced. All you can prove is that it died. Like I said before keep you imagination under control.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Of course it can be and is tested, I may have already directed you to a video called Ken Miller on chromosome 2, if I haven't check it out, it's about a major prediction that was made if evolution were true before it was discovered that our chromosome 2 was fused, it was confirmed spectacularly.

The fossils are clear cut evidence that that species existed, and right behind self preservation is procreation.

[matt3i6]

Evolution - to put it plainly - is impossible and it's never happened. Matter, on any level chemically, cannot organize itself all by itself - even when energized let alone organizing itself upwards to viable life - never has happened.

It was over 100 years ago that Louis Pasteur PROVED that spontaneous biogenesis cannot occur.

Evolution is not only impossible, but irrational -

watch?v=SZf_LFAVeFk

[TheScienceFoundation]

Evolution, to put it plainly, is the only process and theory that explains any of the biodiversity and it explains it all.

"Cannot organize itself on any level" ribosomes have been seen to auto catalyze, purine bases have been observed to form through hydrolysis.

Pasteur's work disproved the idea that maggots spawn from rotted meat, rats come out of trash etc. it had nothing to do with the origin of life.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation And yes you were busted massaging the facts. What do you think minireals such as clay sediment and things like that do to living organisms after death? it minerizes them. havent you ever made compost for a garden?

[TheScienceFoundation]

busted massaging the facts? What is that even supposed to mean?

What is your point about fossilization?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation LOL i could explain it to you all day but you would just scoff more and more thats all I have been getting from you anyway so why should I explain it to you.

[TheScienceFoundation]

If you had any idea what you were talking about, you wouldn't dodge my simple question with a customary subject change to `you wouldn't listen anyway'

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Okay I say that in a global flooding event there would have been mass fossilization. Kind of what you find in the mass fossil graves. A flood would have gathered and made floatsams as any flood does that is proven. When the flood rips through the earth and covers the floatsam in sediment and clay combined with water pressure that will fossilize anything organice very fast. Thus creating your mass graves of fossil we find today. That is a logical explanation.

[TheScienceFoundation]

No, in a global flood you would expect to find pretty much the opposite of what is found in the sedimentary layers, especially if you believe all life lived in the past 6000 years. For instance in the grand canyon the layers are shuffled around, some light layers in the middle, some dense layers on top. And the fossils themselves, there are no human fossils alongside dinosaur fossils or the like.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation well hell you just shot evolution in the foot with that one and no man I dont know how you explain away the mass fossil graves like i said add in all the factors do not leave out what you find handy but I think your wrong and I did not think this theory up leading geologists did and I am inclined to believe they are smarter than both of us.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Explain away? Large groups of animals die and become fossilized, thats exactly what happens. What is it you keep insisting I've left out?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation you keep l;eaving out HOW and what was the cause . Remeber with every action there is a reaction! What would cause mass amounts of species to be found in a swirling mass gravemiles deep in fossils which geologists have found many many of these mass graves . What would cause that?(here is a hint it covers 75% of the globe)

[TheScienceFoundation]

Yes, floods can and do cause mass sedimentation layering, you're trying to extrapolate from flood to global flood without any reasoning whatsoever.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Yup I sure am but it doesnt change the fact that the geological eviddence of a global flood is definately solid.

[TheScienceFoundation]

There is no evidence of a global flood.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation evidence is everywhere you just scoff it off what the hell is your problem?

[TheScienceFoundation]

Just say 'X is evidence' doesn't make it so, you have to provide a practical mechanism and testable predictions.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Well you have to look at the facts all the mass graves the found have almost everything in common the types of earth and the dating all points to the same time period so it was global because these mass graves have been found on every major continent.

[TheScienceFoundation]

No, the datings don't point to the same time period at all, the appearance of the first fish is far removed from the appearance of the first reptile and so on.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation Read this book The Dynamic Earth: A Introduction to Physical Geology. In it you will find that most of the rocks on the planets surface are sedimantary(as in made of sediment) also Grand Canyon Geology(Stanely Bues and Michael Morales. There are many otther sources also read The Problem With Dating Methods. Then lets talk again

[TheScienceFoundation]

Is there a point to any of that?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation If you would read the books(ie information within) are you afraid of reading? I did not writee these books scientists wrote them. You are just ignoring the facts or refusing to even look at them I gave you two great book titles filled with facts and you just shrug them off and SCOFF. As the bible said you would. ALL the facts I have presented are viable and hold scietific truth. You are willfully ignorant you should be ashamed. This is an embarassment on yourself.

[TheScienceFoundation]

Just clarify for me here, what is it you think you've presented evidence for?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

WTF are you stupid?

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@TheScienceFoundation The question you should be asking yourself is was it God that did it or not. I believe God did it. There is plenty of evidence to support a global flood. However a asteriod would have vaporized alot upon impact and burned the rest with a global firestorm and not made many fossils a flood is the most likely culprit. Noas flood

[Iraqveterankill4real]

Lol evolution is incovenient to itself like you stated earlier science is a self correcting tool. You know I believe it was because of people and the ilk of men and women that pushed the belief that the earth was flat. Havent you notice that until hard questions are answered and the pool of minds is not limited to one belief science does not progress. Also I believe evolution has harmed the progress of science by diverting the hard work of many scientists to prove a crack pot theory. all in vain

[TheScienceFoundation]

There is no belief, all biologists accept evolution because it's a fact and supported by all evidence.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

I know now you know nothing of what you are speaking of it WAS a group of scientists from many fields including biology that theorized Intelligent Design. Actually it happened in California in 1993. Darwin's theory was made on unreliable data he coined a lot on top of a Finch( IE a bird) Guess what it was still a Finch it did not evolve to a dog. However Darwin DID prove variations of species not evolution. Also where did the information for a cell come from so the cell knew how to make ITSELF?

[TheScienceFoundation]

Who ever claimed that a finch should evolve into a dog? A cell doesn't have to know how to make itself any more than hydrogen has to know how to fuse into helium.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real "WATER PRESSURE."? I know this is a bit dated, but you actually said that? What on earth were you thinking? High pressure water is used to cut steel and even without abrasives, would've stripped any flesh from bone. Besides, ten seconds looking at an actual geologic survey can clearly show that there was no Noachian Flood. It's an interesting story, but in no way a global event.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@NorthForkFisherman You may want to look into hydrostatic water pressure. Lets put it this way if you were to be at the bottom of the ocean right now you would be crushed to death by the water pressure.............

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real Actually, the direct oberseration of the mid-ocean ridges would indicate a great teraming and tumbling of blocks if the were blown out by water pressure. Indeed, this is not found. The bottoms are entirely pillow lavas that become covered in organic detritus and offshore sediments. And your point about pressure is not relevant. The rocks at the bottom are already equalized to that environment. Check out the Opeche Shale to see more data negating a global flood. Start there.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@NorthForkFisherman actually recent studies disprove that a rift was created and I have never seen and earthquake or eruption create blocks? I do not get what you are getting at lets just bare it to the facts evolution cannot be proven and God cannot either both rely on faith. Look at it this way if there is no God we are nothing and nothing happens when we die but if I am right we have a great afterlife to look forward to.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real The reason that you do not understand what I talking about is simple. You're thinking biology, and I'm talking geology. Big difference. What I'm able to show is that Genesis is simply not literal just by examining the heat of deposition of just one salt deposit. Then consider there are hundreds of salt mines, all over the world. Too much heat in too little time. Ergo, no flood. Simple really.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real And in case you're not sure about what I mean, I'm not saying if there is deity or not. You're right about that, it's beyond the realm of science. What I am saying, again, is that Genesis is simply not accurate. What you take from that is whatever you want. And Pascal's Wager? Please.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@NorthForkFisherman I agree to you that yes Genisis lacks the details of how it was done exactly. It is not for humans to know right now maybe when science gets a bit more advanced we will have a foothold to use. I do have to say though that regardless of what is found the facts must be followed and not obscured. if they point to God then they do, but if they point to Evolution they should be followed as well. To me I think the macroverse is too complex it seems to be fine tuned, fascinating!!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real Well the fine tuning argument is one that has been beat to death in more videos than I can count. Suffice to say that we could do away with at least one of the basic forces of the universe and still have life in it. The heavier metals and normal radioactivity would be absent, but that's not much different than here. CHONPS would still be available for life. Check of SciAm from about 6 mothns ago. Life in the Multiverse is the article name.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real But that's getting away from the point of this video and what's it's trying to say. Geology doesn't support the claims of a global flood. Sure, local and regional flooding does and has occured. That much is factual. Further data that goes against such a claim is palyonlogical, meteoric, and examinations of the carbonate issue.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@NorthForkFisherman Well I do have say the video does raise some valid scientific questions like polystrate fossils that bust the geological column in the chops it really does and those fossils are real and a fact. The only way that fossils are made would be mass and extreme sedimentation bones cannot just lay on the ground for a long time waiting to be covered there are to many predators also look up the massive fossil graveyards that has water written all over it and they are a real fact too!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real Ever watch Wild Kingdom? See all those wildebeast crossings and crocodiles? Not ever part of the animals end up getting consumed. And so they wash down and settle out in quiet eddies, there to be buried by the constant influx of riverine sediment or offshore turbidity currents. Even as a hunter and fisherman in the US I see similar things when afield. Now, as far as "polystrate trees"? That was understood more than 150 years ago.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@NorthForkFisherman I would liek to hear that understanding of the polystrate trees? As for the mass fossil graveyards as many as 8000 different types of species are found in just one of those thats a very big river and a lot of hungry crocks. Use your logic where does it point to? That was the very same question that lead me away from evolution and I am very familiar with the theory of evolution I will admit it is a very clever and elaborate scheme look at the fossil graveyards.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real Actually that was 142 years ago: Dawson, J.W., 1868. Acadian Geology. The Geological Structure, Organic Remains, and Mineral Resources of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island, 2nd edition. MacMillan and Co.: London, 694pp. And simple enough, it's all local flooding. A lot of flooding yes, but that's not unheard of. There's data for that. Now, exactly what fossil graveyard are you talking about? References please.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Iraqveterankill4real Got it. You mean the Karoo formation? LOL. Have you sat down and considered what all those fossils mean? Really considered the math of it? I'm guessing no. Tell me what you think first, then we'll go from there.

[eph2810]

You Go Pastor Billy!

[jcareusa]

Don't miss the boat, the price of the ticket has been paid by Jesus. God is Good!

[DisforDubby]

Viewers: I would like to point out that there are other causes of massive floods: Tectonic plates, earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, typhoons. These are related and they can cause tsunamis and tidal waves that engulf plants and animals.

Just because there are a lot of fossils that look like they have been through something like this does not mean it is from the flood in the Bible.

Think about it.

[DisforDubby]

20:00 they didnt actually find "flesh" or "blood." if you google it you will see this stuff has been debunked.

The problem with stuff like this is that there really needs to be a speaker from the other side of this perspective to offer their input, otherwise you end up being falsely convinced that something is true when that may not actually be the case

[DisforDubby]

"fast burial" would mean a high level of disruption. If something was "rapidly" buried it would be tossed about in a way so that its position would not be preserved... its more likely that these things were carefully preserved in just the right natural way... there are trillions upon trillions of events in the world so oddities are bound to happen.

[DisforDubby]

LOOL ok ok okok so he is actually using fossilized FISH as evidence for the flood..... are you kidding me? Fish LIVE IN WATER.

fail

[DisforDubby]

9:05 so if "every living thing" died, then how the hell are there still millions and possibly billions of species of life still around? I dont think Noah had room for everything on his boat....

also the fossil record shows us a lot about the evolutionary time line as well as transitional fossils and all that evil science stuff that you somehow know is true

[DisforDubby]

You know, I just dont understand why God would punish/Judge people by KILLING them... what does that solve?? Then what? Are they sent to Hell for ever and ever for evermore? How does that help anything??

Why not simply come down to every person face to face in a way we can understand to really help us understand? I know you're going to tell me that's what Jesus did, but what about all the people before Jesus? What about all the people who never heard? What about the Christians who struggle?

[DisforDubby]

You can say that about scoffers and it sound convincing, but when you really break the ideas down & try to make sense of them, they just dont make sense

sorry but how is it anyones fault that we are born & some people just go to Hell for not being "saved" when people are just slaves to their environment and themselves, etc.

Why would God let Satan "fall" to earth? Why not a different planet? Humans had nothing to do with Satan's choice to rebel in Heaven. It simply does NOT. MAKE. SENSE.

[WDeet]

Why would God let Satan "fall" to earth?

Maybe to prevent what happened with the angels, a rebellion in God's kingdom. He allows satan to influence people so that people can decide which side they want and choose in this life. That way only true committed believers are allowed to enter into God's kingdom. No future rebellion.

[DisforDubby]

@WDeet You must realize that makes no sense. If he wanted to prevent the same thing from happening on Earth as in Heaven, he would at least sent Satan to a different planet in a different solar system or galaxy. Yeah, THAT was my question. Anyway, your reasoning has to be wrong because God could have just not let Satan interfere with our lives, then everything would be fine.

[ryjohnston]

@DisforDubby really? how so? dude read WDeet's comment again... slowly 5 or six times... IM NOT SAYING I THINK YOUR UNINTELLIGENT but it seems like you did not really read and contemplate on what is writen

restate Wdeet

Negative advent in God's HAPPY place.

Send Cause of Negative advent to cause Negative advent Out of God's HAPPY place so that when Peaple get up to HEAVEN (God's HAPPY) THERE IS LITTLE TO NO CHANCE of another Negative advent in Heaven (God's HAPPY)

ok?

[DisforDubby]

Yeah, I read it and understood it. I am also able to evaluate it.

I think the problem with a lot of this stuff is that people like you are simply unable to examine and understand reality, and separate it from what is false.

[ryjohnston]

... peaple like me ... lol dude lol Thats it yOU hAVE SHOWN Me the LIGHT hand me a bible im going religious...( becouse i guess that i am one of those dumb peaple called Athiests ) becouse as an Athiest I am "simply unable to examine and understand reality, and separate it from what is false"... i just keep an open mind and look at both side flip no wounder you get no responses to what you say, Your just being a jerk

[Yeesha8679]

This depiction of God makes him a veritable asshole, which contradicts the supposedly good God. There's the argument to be made that God doesn't need to do anything to be good and that something is good because it's defined thus by God (thus any judgment that God's acts are less-than-good is impotent). However, we do have the ability to choose, and since we're human beings, we can only choose according to what *we* think is good. And I choose to disbelieve this God because he's not good.

[DisforDubby]

what if God is like that and Satan went to his throne to say let the slave workers go -- slaves being Angels that have to do God's will or die.

Its funny that people don't seem to realize how insane it is the concept that there would be an Angel that decided to rebel against the Almighty God who created him and then was booted to Earth where he was allowed to completely mess humanity up as well.

I think they are just ancient excuses for why things are the way they are. Its not reality though.

[eclipsesonic]

I was looking forward to the 2nd part, and I can honestly say Billy, that you did not disappoint me, in the slightest! God bless you!!

5/5!!!

[sweatytoothmadman]

Billy didnt disappoint

Billy has a habit of regurgitating old arguments that have long been refuted, I for one was disappointed.

[krisv001]

very good video again Billy !

[kamicka23]

A world wide flood. Proof that the bible is true. Go to scriptifact & find even more more proof that the bible is true. Being that the bible is true, then so is God, Jesus, heaven & hell. So is His love for you & a gift of eternal life from Him.

[soranoraito]

yes! one-third of the bible is related to prophecy. No other book has had so many predictions all come true [each historically proven and supported] and ALL in chronological order. Aside from that Christ is the only one that deals with the problem of sin!

[andymcq2509]

we live in the last days and god is allowing all evidence of his 1st judgement to wake us up for his final judgement that is coming now. call on jesus,repent and be saved.theory of evolution is a lie.