nice try. these men were all from Texas where guns are plentiful, and probably all served in wars as well. they weren't idiots. it amazes me how people continue to deny hard evidence like that presented here.
It is likely witnesses heard the echos of the reports off the concrete landscaping and fence. They looked over there they saw the "little puffs of smoke" from cigarettes. The witnesses themselves admitted there were butts and lots of footprints there. A couple people were lined up there smoking watching the parade; probably railroad workers.
James "Ike " Altgens, the legendary photographer,stated that shortly before the limo arrived inside the kill zone, he observed several individuals arrive up into the grassy knoll and that one of these persons was dressed as a DPD policeman ? NO policeman was EVER,officially,nor admitted to afterwards as, ever, being stationed near or on the grassy knoll ! Who were these persons ?
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Lee Bowers Jr " a car came into thearea and a man had what appeared to be a mic up to his face ! " Lee Bowers Jr was the most important witness that day in the Grassy Knoll area !!!
S.M Holland about the WC cover of his testimony : "they are wrong " Does S.M.Holland looked insane for you ? DEFINITLY NOT for me & for 95 % of the people worldwide interested in this case :-( ....................
Overwhelming evidence of multiple gunmen and multiple shots. It's amazing that there were all these witnesses documenting the proof of a conspiracy and a triangulation of crossfire between the assassins, and it gets ignored by the Warren Commission.
@TheLensSolution this springs to mind "CLOSED-MINDED: Also called selective editing, selective attention, selective perception, selective abstracting, specific abstracting, mental filtering, mental editing, preferential selection, a cognitive bias, impaired abstract reasoning, ignoring, tunnel vision, being in a closed system, being closed to investigation or examination, "taking things out of context," "having blinders on," i could add more .
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As I was watching live video of Charles Whitman shooting from the University of Texas clock tower in 1966 using a high power rifle, huge puffs of smoke are clearly visible from his rifle. For so many witnesses in the JFK assassination to say they saw "puffs" of smoke from the grassy knoll/ railroad area is completely believable. The United States government has been covering up Kennedys death without question.
Listen Americans, Multiple of "Credable Witnesses indicating the Smoke of the High Powered Explosive-Bullet Semi-Autimatic Rifles coming from the Picket Fence,A Perfect Tripod for Expert C.I.A. hired Snipers,an Ambush on John Fitzgerald KENNEDY".The"Warren Commission Delibrately IGNORED ALL the Major Witnesses because they needed NO Conspiracy and their "Single Bullet Theory"which is laughable"Everyone at the Daily Plaza heard Multiple Shots", ranging from 3 to 4 Shots.The Warren Commission LIES
Basically, "Rush To judgement" is a big bunch of nothing. All Lane does - in his mind-bogglingly tedious manner - is interview a few witnesses who disagree with the WC conclusion. The WC did that too, and in a much more honest and unbiased way. Lane was caught early on trying to manipulate witnesses into changing their testimony to make the contradictions more glaring between the witness and the official conclusion. Nothing can ever change the fact that a majority heard 3 shots from the TSBD.
@dallasmanNO true but if 100 ppl on houston street could only hear the shots from the TSBD and the thin crowd on elm could hear both say 60 ppl heard 3-6 doesnt mean that because 100 heard 3 that thats how it happened. the 3 shot magic bullet theory doesnt hold up when you see jfk was hit at least twice, a missed bullet that grazed teague and the bullet found on the grass pocketed by fbi. then add the bullet that hit the crome above the connallys. and the FBI was 100x worse then lane
@pat442389 Only 4 people "heard" shots from more than one direction, which in itself excludes the possibility of more than one shooter. A vast majority heard 3 shots, which, considering the echoes, more or less guarantees there weren't more. A large majority also identified TSBD as the source. From that testimony alone, 3 shots from the TSBD would be the obvious conclusion. Luckily, there's tons more hard evidence confirming that conclusion, all there for you to ignore and distort forevermore.
Mark Lane is perhaps more responsible than any other individual for muddying the waters of the JFK investigation. While unproblematic in and of themselves, his political leanings were far-left, and certainly influenced his relentless attacks on the WC. Most of the early WC critics were similarly inclined, and anxious to prove that Uncle Sam was stitching up an innocent commie. Nowadays the CT community is more right-wing, and includes "truthers", Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites. Nice crowd.
Any video/film that has Mark Lane as the primary interviewer is not to be believed. Lane is one of the biggest parasitic opportunists who has associated himself with the assassination. He has made a very good living exploiting the death of JFK.
@LoneNutter1 - and we're going to believe the word of someone who chooses to call himself LoneNutter? You must be out of touch. Anyone who doesn't believe in the Warren Commission stack of crap is not going to be interested in your opinion!
@dbmyers2 It's the official version of what happened. To this day there hasn't been another group or individual who has been able to explain what happened in Dallas. There have been scores of different theories but they are significantly different from each other all of them can't be right. Most people who dismiss the Warren Report never read it. I suspect you've never read it either. All you're doing is repeating what some silly conspiracy author wrote in a silly conspiracy book.
@fobrien1 You're correct to point and then it becomes totally different. First, Earl Warren didn't write the report but that's a minor point. The Warren Report was written with facts and evidence while the silly conspiracy books were written with half-truths, innuendo, supposition, rumor and in some cases outright fabrications. The Warren Report has stood the test of time while all of the conspiracy theories crumble to pieces under the lightest of scrutiny.
@LoneNutter1 "The Warren Report was written with facts and evidence while the silly conspiracy books were written with half-truths, innuendo, supposition, rumor and in some cases outright fabrications"
ever read case closed or reclaiming history ? you probably read atleast one of them ,do you know how many omitions /distortions /fabrications and even lies these books contain ? .
@fobrien1 I've read both of them as well as a number of the "conspiracy" themed books. Bugliosi throughly researched and footnoted his work. The vast majority of conspiracy books have little or no footnoting. When the conspiracy books don't provide the names of their sources it's a red flag that they've taken liberties with the information. The conspiracy books have earned a bad reputation in this regard. In addition, when they cite a source it's usually another conspiracy book without sources.
@LoneNutter1 "If one is devoutly obsessed with "conspiracy" then I can understand why Bugliosi is hated and reviled. "
its not a matter of being " devoutly obsessed with "conspiracy"" its about the truth its about authors you seem to hold in high esteem twisting /distorting /omiting /and yes lying . so i dont hate and revile these authors but i despise the methods they employ ,one should ask in an "open and shut case" why they feel the need to employ such methods .
@dbmyers2 What does my screen name have to do with facts and evidence??? Only a committed conspiracy believer finds significance in linking unrelated material and claim they've found something incriminating.
There is NOT* a shred of proof of element to prove that is a PUFF* of smoke emanating from that picket fence.' gawd only knows .someone could have ''Tampered' w/ that picture.
@TheBruT4L1ty There is not a shred of proof that this wasn't a puff of smoke. Your argument that someone took the time and energy to tamper with this photo is more unlikely then the idea that this is an untouched photo. The area in questions could be smoke or a reflection or something else. (PS. you might seem more rational if you wrote in a more legible manner)
Please stop fighting, let's get along, let's talk about the puff of smoke at 8:15 and please do not say that is a cloud, or steam boiler that cause that impression.
@Verdelufe It's highly unlikely there was a puff of smoke that would have been "hanging around" in the air that day. First of all rifles emit very little smoke. Plus, the winds in Dealey Plaza were gusting to 25 mph that day. Any "smoke" would have dissipated almost instantly. Lastly, the photograph is poor. You would need to have a camera and film to be of high resolution in order to capture the image of smoke.
@LoneNutter1 Who knows what kind of weapon was behind the fence could be James Files' even a revolver or any weapon that create smoke. Explain why many witnesses saw the smoke, they were there you were not, and also explain why most people run to the grassy knoll where they heard the shots coming from.
You get that right 25 mph would leave the smoke right on the spot where this picture shows, the distance from the shot 20 to 30 from the corner of the fence, and how far the limo moved.
@Verdelufe Revolvers and rifles don't emit much smoke when fired. That is unless the weapon being fired uses black powder like a musket.
I think it's safe to say that nobody was firing a musket at JFK that day or any other day. Oliver Stone used a smoke machine to re-create the "smoke" people saw from the grassy knoll/picket fence area when filming the movie JFK. If someone fired a rifle at the president, why didn't Stone use a rifle to re-create the smoke for the film?
@Verdelufe I don't know what that image is. But you're being hasty in assuming it's smoke.
For all we know something could have happened to the negative/print during the developing process. We don't know the history of the photo either. Someone could have Photoshopped the picture for all we know.
Then again, there are other CT'ers who insist ALL the photos and film taken in Dealey Plaza were confiscated and altered by the government. But I think they'd say the government missed this one.
@LoneNutter1 Who knows what kind of weapon was behind the fence could be James Files' even a revolver or any weapon that create smoke. Explain why many witnesses saw the smoke, they were there you were not, and also explain why most people run to the grassy knoll where they heard the shots coming from.
You get that right 25 mph would leave the smoke right on the spot where this picture shows, the distance from the shot 20 to 30 from the corner of the fence, and how far the limo moved.
@Verdelufe You're assuming there was a weapon behind the fence. There's no evidence to make that conclusion. But, for the sake of argument, let's say there was.
A rifle or revolver makes very little smoke when fired. The wind in Dealey Plaza was gusting up to 25 mph and it was blowing head on to the motorcade as they traveled down Elm Street. Unless you knew exactly where to look prior to the firing of a rifle or pistol you would not see any smoke. Wind gusts would dissipate the smoke created
@Verdelufe within a fraction of a second. Capturing an image of smoke on a calm day would be difficult. Photographing smoke from a weapon on a windy day in nearly impossible.
The "smoke" people saw in Dealey could have been from the steam pipe that was next to the knoll. It could have been from the motorcycles the police were riding. Smoke from a rifle or pistol? Highly unlikely. Nobody saw anyone firing a weapon from the knoll that day. No evidence of a shooter on the knoll.
@LoneNutter1 Of course nobody saw anyone firing a weapon from the knoll, EVERYBODY WENT TO SEE THE PRESIDENT AND NOT SNIPER SHOOTERS. It's becoming dull this kind of argument.
@LoneNutter1 YES !! I am assuming there was a weapon behind the fence of course, the president is dead.
WC invited 3 extremely sharp shooter to duplicate Oswald supposed shooting, none of them could make it. What else do people need to know, only if LHO just hit a shot and missed the second shot, I mean if he was the one. THAT'S ALL. Case Closed - Conspiracy.
@nicenonya3 Mark Lane is a known communist, and the KGB is very proud of his involvement in causing doubt and causing the American people to doubt their own government.
got it, lonenutter??? maybe your poor scores in reading comprehension are preventing you from seeing the same things that 80% of Americans agree on.... just saying...
ok lonenutter.... since you are reading challenged and my very words are right in front of you... I'll repeat it again >>> 80% OF AMERICANS DO NOT ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE WARREN COMMISSION THAT CONCLUDED A ' ONE SHOOTER ' THEORY. HENCE, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC THEORY THAT ALL ACCEPT, BUT 80% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THERE WAS DEFINITELY A 'CONSPIRACY' <<< conspiracy, by definition, would require a single person ( or more ) involved in the murder of JFK, in addition to LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
@slotstikskimboards That's about the best answer you could have given seeing that the majority of people believe there was a conspiracy. But thanks to the delusional conspiracy theorists, they dominated the dialogue with their goofy theories. Over the past few years I've seen a shift in the opinion of people who are now believing that LHO did it alone. The CT'ers have failed to produce a single piece of credible evidence to support any of the dozens of lame-brained theories.
@LoneNutter1 So...if "80% of American's believe it was a conspiracy", then what are you bitching about, and what the hell difference does it make? This crime was committed nearly 50 years ago. Just how many people out of that 80% do you think have taken the time to actually sit down and study the case, and come to that conclusion? Most people couldn't give a shit about this topic, because its right up there with Bigfoot & Loch Ness. So live with it.
@IwshIcldstrtover I believe that the majority of Americans think there was a conspiracy. That's partly due to the conspiracy theorists having dominated the discussion with all their silly plots and goofy gunmen. Sadly, many people have profited financially with the sales of their conspiracy grabage.
I think it's a shame the profiteering conspiracy parasites have feasted on the remains of the JFK assassination and have delibertely mis-informed people (the very people you spoke of in your post)
@slotstikskimboards Eighty percent of the American public have not studied the case, and do not have all of the facts. They have been hoodwinked by conspiracy whores for the past 47 years.
@IwshIcldstrtover All the facts?? Funny how the Warren Commission, which LBJ never wanted, but was forced to form because of the outcry of the American people, never considered all the facts ( the real hoodwink ). One incident does not create suspicion, but the scores of questionable evidence and contrary testimony surrounding the assassination will keep this story going until the real truth is found. Keep calling people names, it really doesn't help your case.
@slotstikskimboards First off, I don't claim to have a "case", as you put it. Secondly, the "real truth" was found in that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy with his rifle. With 53 pieces of evidence against him. What are the "scores of evidence and contrary testimony" ? Name names and provide proof that Oswald didn't kill JFK.
@IwshIcldstrtover Sure you have a case. Your case is the Warren Commission Report. Which is full of holes and omissions. I don't have to prove that LHO didn't shoot JFK to show CONSPIRACY. You know what a CONSPIRACY is, don't you?? Two or more people involved. That's it, nothing more. So, why don't you break down every witness and every piece of evidence that points to a conspiracy, instead of just leaving those parts out, just like the Warren Commission? Topic 1>Jack Ruby's statements in court.
@slotstikskimboards If I have a "case", it is due to my own, private research, and it has little to do with the Warren Report. I have examined the witness statements who were in Dealey Plaza, with a fine toothed comb. It was through this assassination that I became aware that you cannot rely on what people say they saw and heard, to make a case, especially when we have people like Jean Hill, who, years later, resurfaced and told lie after lie about what she saw. Jack Ruby was a nutcase.
@IwshIcldstrtover Agree. It doesn't trouble me as much that there are so many divergent reports of shots, locations, etc. It troubles me that the WC cherrypicked a few. How are we to know those statements are reliable and not another Jean Hill or Ruby? We don't. It arbitrary almost and that's what a lot of people have a problem wiht...
Furthermore, just how can a witness get an estimation of age, dress, height, weight and race of one who stands in a window ( most likely wanting to avoid detection being that he is about to kill the President ) that is partially open and obscuring at least 50% of any figure who might be there? And this is testimony that LoneNutter chooses to believe as he scoffs at testimony from others at separate perspectives that cramp or destroy the single bullet theory?
and order a coke from the coke machine and act cool and calm untile officer marion Baker sees Oswald drinking his coke in the break room. And according to baker Oswald was not out of breath, but calm and very surprised to see a gun pointed at him. The evidence to suggest that oswald murdered officer tippit is even more flemsy. I am convinced had oswald lived, no jury in the world would have convicted oswald of the murders, but only as a conspirator!
I always believed that the evidence against Oswald was very weak. The FBI found no fingerprints or palm impressions on the rifle, and add to the fact that the assassins rifle was ID as a 7.65 German Mauser by 3 officers and not a carcano on November 22nd. But most importantly Oswald was exonerated from the nitrates test proving Oswald never fired a rifle that day! Its unlikely Oswald can fire 3 rounds wipe the gun of fingerprints, hide it in the opposite side of the room, run down 4 flights....
these rare films were all great investigative works of attorney Mark Lane He questioned witnesses the the government failed to talk to. This leads credance that the W.C. were very selective about the witnesses they brought in. From the start the government wanted no part or leverage of more shooters involved.
The railroad workers saw smoke coming from the trees by the picket fence? Really? That's funny. I don't recall reading that black powder rifles were fired at the president. You see, firearms like a muzzle loader make lots of smoke when they're fired. But a rifle does not. So if they saw smoke by the trees, it wasn't from a rifle. More conspiracy theory balderdash.
@LoneNutter1 More of your insane fucking misinformation and disinformation (baloney and NOW balderdash). All rifles emit smoke when fired. It is a question of degree. Some emit more some emit less ALL emit a certain amount!! You see fuckers like you should be fucking muzzled and thrown in among the bears in the zoo whose muzzles would have been removed. Where the fuck do you get words like 'baloney' and 'balderdash'? What next? Poppycock and piffle!!? LOL
@sharaIantam Do you in the celler of your Mom's home? You seem to have a fixation with either me or my posting 'cause you're following me all over the place. I don't care if you do and I don't care you seem obsessed with posting comments about my postings. Keep tailing me 'cause I'm going to be going to more silly conspiracy sites here on YouTube and laugh at the wacko postings of the Conspiracy Cultists.
@LoneNutter1 then why does the one railworker walk the reporter to the exact spot where "Badgeman" fired what was the fatal shot shown in the Moorman photograph? Quite a coincidence. Of the 104 eyewitnesses that testified 55 heard shots from the depository while 33 testified that they heard shots from the overpass, railyard, or grassy knoll area. Logically that means more than one origin of gunfire. Unless you have photos of Oswald firing from the depository window no one else seems to have
@justice008a Dealey Plaza is an echo chamber. Even Gary Mack ( the father of Badgeman) agrees. Buell Frazier was standing in the doorway of the TSBD and he thought the shots came from the Knoll. Harold Norman was on the 5th floor of the TSBD and heard 3 shots and 3 shells hit the floor above him.If some was on the knoll shooting at the president (and that is possible but not probable) then the shoter missed the target. JFK was not shot from the front or side. So says the 9 forensic patholigists
@LoneNutter1 I hold more stock in the theory of Roscoe White being Badgeman. CIA operative who was hired onto the Dallas police force around the same period Oswald was hired at the book depository. Who better than a uniformed policeman to be able to draw a weapon without arousing suspicion? plus police can direct citizens away from certain areas. Never made any sense to me that Oswald happened to get a job there weeks before Kennedy passed right under his open wondow. Dallas is a big city
@LoneNutter1 Dealey Plaza may be an echo chamber,but do puffs of smoke echo? Do they linger in the air, as seen by no fewer than 10 witnesses? Why would these accounts be ignored by the FBI and why would Hollands rock solid and unwavering account be twisted by the WC to support a theory of no grassy knoll shooter? Those that deliberately altered or ignored eyewitness accounts and continue to dismiss gaps in the WC are themselves supporting the weaker version of events.
@slotstikskimboards First of all, rifles to not create smoke of any significance. They do make lost of smoke if you're firing a blackpowder version. But I think we can eliminate the possibility of a musket being fired in Dealey Plaza. Second, it was very windy that day. There were wind gusts up to 25 mph during the motorcade. Smoke is not going to linger in the air for any lenght of time under those conditions. One of Hollands co-workers thought the puffs of smoke came from on of the motorcycles
@slotstikskimboards It's interesting to note; if a rifle were able to make enough smoke sufficiently to be seen, why did Oliver Stone in the making of the movie JFK have a smoke making machine instead of firing blanks from a rifle to create the smoke effect?
Holland was nearly 70 yards away from the "smoke" and unless he was looking at the precise area where the supposed shots came from. how would he have been able to see it?
Nobody ever saw someone standing on the grassy knoll at the time of
@LoneNutter1 THEY DONT FIRE REAL BULLETS IN THE MOVIES, black powder rounds or otherwise. Is it your contention that not only Holland, but three other witnesses who were with him were all mistaken? I find Holland highly credible. He and the others raced towards the sound and the smoke and found footprints and cigs in the dirt ( mud ) at the fence. They found mud on the fence and on the bumpers of cars at that scene. Btw, I don't consider anything from the Stone movie as evidence in the murder.
@slotstikskimboards the shooting. Lee Bower had the best view of all and he didn't see anyone on the knoll, the fence or by the wall.
Nice forensic patholigists who examined the autopsy report, the xrays and photos of JFK all agreed in their report to the HSCA that there was no evidence of any of the shots that struck the president of coming from the front or side. Both shots that struck him came from above and behind.
In my opinion the WC came to the correct decision in their report in 1964.
@LoneNutter1 Lee Bowers, with an (s) was the mans name. And your'e wrong, he specifically stated that he saw a flash or a 'puff of smoke' that drew his attention to the picket fence area. Although he did not divulge all details of his account to the the media, he did tell a close friend ( another CT? ) about seeing two men at the fence. Bowers was killed after an auto accident where witnesses say he was driven off the road. The ambulance crew said he stated 'someone put something in my coffee'.
@slotstikskimboards Since then, the Church comitte and the HSCA supported the findins and decision of the WC.
The constant chatter about "conspiracies" are fragmented and without merit. There's no credibile evidence that's come forward in nearly 50 years. It's time the CT'er admit they've been chasing phantoms for almost half a century.
@LoneNutter1 Your response is weak and invalid. The people who choose the WC version of events are the group that are ignoring evidence and testimony from a multitude of sources. Like most of that group, you don't contradict witness testimony with other evidence, you say they are mistaken, paranoid, or suffering from mass hysteria. Reagan and Ford both had attempts on their lives from single shooters. If there is some innate desire for conspiracy theories, where are they regarding these two men?
@LoneNutter1 Evidence? We are specifically talking about EVIDENCE. That is what eyewitness testimony is. The Warren Commission pointed to the testimony of Howard L. Brennan who gave a spot on description of LHO in the 6th floor window from his vantage point on the street. I find this more unlikely testimony than that of Holland and others on the overpass. Especially, considering how the nest was fashioned to keep the shooter from view ( WC verbiage ) as the shot was taken on Elm and not Houston
By the way...Brennen had been observing the man with the rifle prior to the shots being fired and had a long look at him. The snipers nest was to block the view of anyone coming up the stairs or the elevator on the inside of the building not the outside.
@LoneNutter1 I'm not obsessed with your point of view, sir. Moreover, you are the person who initiated the reply to me, not the reverse. But, if Brennan was watching a man with a rifle in the window A) why did he not alert anyone B) why would no police see what he was seeing C) how could see anyone in detail considering the configuration of the nest ( public record ) that specifically was designed to keep the shooter from view and take the shot on Elm? Lastly, did he see a puff of smoke?
@LoneNutter1 With all respect, you have no view. You accept the findings of the Warren Commission without question. You are repeating the findings of the Warren Commission and in doing so, you are deleting testimony, fashioning evidence to fit a pre-set conclusion, and childishly discrediting reasonable and often powerful contrary points of view as insignificant or even paranoid. I suggest a change of name from LoneNutter, to something more appropriate..... how about GuliblesTravels ?
@slotstikskimboards I took the time to read your postings and the fact of the matter is, you're mind was already mand up. You questions were based on only one thing; to spew off more of the silly and unprovable accusations that the conspiracy crowd loves to wallow in.
As a reformed conspiracy theorist, I had the fortitude to be willing to challenge my own beliefs about what happend that day in Dallas. I was firmly convinced the 3rd shot was a frontal shot and it was an outrage to think
@slotstikskimboards we were being lied to by the government that the shots came from behind. After doing much independent reading about ballistics, and reading the report from the HSCA as well as myriad other activities, I changed my mind about the assassination.
So you can keep on peddeling the same old tired worn out unprovable baloney the CT'ers have been spreading for over 40 years. I don't give a damn!
If anyone is a follower or sheeple, or lemming or parrot, it's you sir!
@slotstikskimboards So now it time for you to go away and spend time with your silly childish conspiracy friends where you can compare notes about who did what and when and how and whatever suits you.
@LoneNutter1 In this entire thread, you have not invalidated one single piece of witness testimony or observation that I have revisited. Have you even read the WC report and balanced it against the video testimony of those who were there? You know what is great? That you are actually in the extreme minority. Over 80% of Americans feel that LHO did not act alone, was a patsy, or was completely innocent. So, you need to go hang with the fringers, those who reside outside the mainstream of opinion.
@slotstikskimboards And I'm not about to either. Your mind is made up. It's closed. Shut down. Locked. Sealed. Impervious to a new idea. Bullet-proof (pardon the expression) to any new thought or concept.
I have only one question;
Which conspiracy specifically do 80% of Americans believe?
@LoneNutter1 The Warren Commission Report is far from a ' new idea '. It is the most extensive and comprehensive account of SELECTED events and testimony the government has ever compiled on the incident. I have read it thoroughly. I find it half hearted, lacking, specious, questionable, and porous. I'm convinced if the current media existed in 1963 ( internet, youtube, etc. ) where the repetition of witness testimony could be viewed, unfiltered by the tv, it would have never have been accepted.
@slotstikskimboards You make an interesting comment. It's interesting to consider whether or not this coverup could have succeeded in the Internet and media age. Probably not. With cameras everywhere, you would have had everyone taking cellphone photos and videos of the event, and the FBI would not be able to steal and suppress so many photos the way they did in 1963. And with all of the constant coverage and interviewing of witnesses, people would see the conspiracy much faster.
@justice008a for the HSCA in 1979. Regarding photos of LHO shoting; well I've never seen one. But then again, we don't have any photo of anyone firing at JFK. Don't put your hopes on Badgeman. He's a figment of light and shadows and a vivid imagination. It's been clearly demonstrated that Badgeman would have to be very short (about 30"tall) or standing on a 16 ' stepladder in order to fit the dimensions of what some people think they see in the picture.
@LoneNutter1 I'm just saying there aren't any co-workers in the depository that put Oswald in position to shoot either. Most of his co-workers have him on the 2nd floor just before and after the shooting. Logically to me it makes more sense that he would let someone else into the building to do the actual shooting, but no one saw anyone inside the building that didn't work there. It also seems to me once captured he'd have been spouting political rhetoric. Probably involved; didn't act alone
@LoneNutter1 The manager of the depository and the 1st policeman responding to the shots met LHO on the 2nd floor in the cafeteria 90 seconds after the shooting, by the policeman's account. He pointed a gun at LHO and asked the manager if he knew him. The boss replied he worked there. Co-workers saw him on the 2nd floor as late as 12:20pm, 10- 15 min before the shooting. There were workers who went up to the 6th floor after hearing shots and didn't see Oswald, who had to have been coming down
Many people have discounted this version of events, as they've been told that guns now fire with smokeless powder. These same people will turn around and tell you that they saw puffs of smoke from the 6th Floor of the TSBD. Which is it, people?
Anyone who wish to see the actual killing bullet can do so in the newly digitally enhanced zapruder film which is available on Youtube. Frame 313 very clearly shows the path of the killing bullet. If one cares to compare the angle of mr Zapruders position with the position of the presidential limousine and the very clearly defined bullet in frame 313, one must be able to work out the angle from where the president were shot and therefore work out where the shooter of the killing bullet stood.
ALWAYS trust those with nothing to gain from their testimony. Ignore the government, it cannot be trusted.
If at least 5 or 6 unconnected people (as is the case) say shots came from a certain area, then take it as read they did.
I also believe there was a shooter in the 3rd floor of the Daltex building (with a silenced rifle) as the angle does match the shot that hit JFK and Connaly. The shots from some part of the TSBD (roof then fire escape exit ?) were decoys and necessary to frame Oswald.
@funkmasterjee : I've been with this since the day it happened, and I agree with much (if not all) that you say. The angle from the Dal-Tex is spot on.
Have you been there? Fascinating. I could spend hours there. Oh yeah, I already have.
We had Roy Hargraves and Philip Vidal Santiago as spotters on the street at the base of the knoll. Then Agent Barker as the spotter behind the fence with our gunman who was dressed as a Dallas Police Officer. According to my info it was Roscoe White, but E. Howard Hunt said it was Lucien Sarti...
Either way it was pissed of Agents from JM-WAVE (CIA and Anti-Castro Cubans) who were behind the entire Operation... There's a long history behind what happened...
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"and saw smoke coming out from the trees at the picket fence on the grassy hill"
Well if they saw smoke it definately wasn't from a gun. Modern smokeless ammunition doesn't emit a "puff of smoke". Oliver Stone couldn't get a gun that did the trick in his fantasy movie JFK so he got a special effects man to blow smoke from a bellows !
Ok watching Mark Lane interview this guy on the overpass, it is quite clear all the security for the president was eliminated, you mean to tell me people can sit on the overpass that is directly over the president's open top car!!!!! Anyone can shoot from this location, or drop something right on the president's lap. Seems a lone nut shooting from the depository was the least of the president's problems that day.
@cdddraftsman - No, railroad workers standing on the overpass were not part of the motorcade security! You just make stuff up and insult people along the way, if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. If there was proper security on the overpass, people would not be allowed to be on it as the president's open top car passes underneath.
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@desertsky69 "No, railroad workers standing on the overpass were not part of the motorcade security!" See Mark Lanes video 'Rush to Judgment' thats were it came from. Interviews from the people on the overpass. Why would I make up something like that? BTW if the RR people didn't secure the overpass, who'd be there to stop anyone else from going up there? BTW , JFK's motorcade was the most heavily defended in SS history.
@desertsky69 "You just make stuff up and insult people along the way"
BTW if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. All my statements come from rock solid eye-witness, solid physical evidence, etc. What do you find objectionable? Sweat sleeping Jesus, I even throw in testimony from a conspiracy video & you object? Explain?
@desertsky69 "You just make stuff up and insult people along the way"
BTW if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. All my statements come from rock solid eye-witness, solid physical evidence, etc. What do you find objectionable? Sweat sleeping Jesus, I even throw in testimony from a conspiracy video & you object? Explain?
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THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK
by Historians D.J. Guth & D.R. Wrone-1980.
"RUSH TO JUDGMENT provides a classic example of subjective gimmickry , with it's scholarly cosmetic of 4,500 footnotes , containing hundreds of substantial errors and repetitions . Quotations within the text have been quietly changed in over 200 instances from original documented versions , important material has been excised from the evidence in order to highlight the trivial or to mislead"
They probably had the place crawling with agents, this was Lyndon B. Johnson's State after all, and George H.W. Bush and Richard Nixon were also allegedly there too...
They sat in on and controlled all the witness interviews that they possibly could, and probably used suggestive hypnosis to program what witnesses they could and select only those to testify before the Warren Commission whom would support their lies.
Look at the personality types of all these witnesses, it's consistent...
George H.W. Bush was about to give a speech at a Rotary Club luncheon in Tyler, Texas, when they heard the news of President Kennedy's death. The speech was cancelled. Barbara Bush was at a beauty parlor in Tyler when she got the news.
The case has been broken. If you are not aware of that you probably shouldn't even be commenting. See Doug Horne's "Inside The ARRB". There is no doubt about a cover up at the military hospital in Bethesda, Maryland and a cover up means a conspiracy.
Well, A) it's not unusual for people to try to magnify their standing in some historic event (it happens all the time), and B) witnesses are often mistaken. There's also C) Mark Lane has a tendency to twist things around....
Makes fpr a shit poor witness , thats why a lot of people weren't called before the WCR , they had better witnesses and these witnesses had already impeached their credibility by their affidavits at the sherrif's dept w/in 1hr after the assassination .
The WR members wanted to save them a lot of embarrassment .
better leave good humor to the englisch their far and far better.
can,t see anything laughable about those statements except that they are from a tottal other human level than the pytagoras disney explanations from the amazing flying WC circus explanations
The last guy, Price, had the most laughable account of all. On the day of the assassination, he told the Dallas County Sheriff's Dept. that he heard approximately five shots, and then "maybe as much as five minutes later, another one." LOL.
He stated that the guy had something in his had, possibly a "headpiece". Then, when Lane interviews him years later, he says it may have been a gun. Right.
And did Price have telescope? He was over 200 yards away.
@sudaev This is why eyewitnesses can't be totally relied on. People like Price and Jean Hill exaggerated and flat out lied, when it came to their accounts. Mary Moorman broke off her friendship with Hill, once Hill began changing her story and adding things. They saw an opportunity and took it.
In March 1964, Simmons told the FBI he thought the shots came from the Depository . But over two years later, in the lovin' arms of Mark Lane, Simmons changed his story and said he thought the shots came from the wooden fence area of the knoll.
Holland gave imprecise testimony to the WC. Also, a co-worker of his believes that any smoke must have come from a police motorcycle.
Austin Miller claimed he saw smoke/steam near the underpass. It just so happens there was a steam pipe there!
At 8:14 sec in this video, there is a puff of smoke coming from the trees and those two guys are already sitting down on the curb! while everyone is running or driving away fast or laying down for cover!
President Kennedy was shot by someone with a musket?...Smokeless powder for firearms was invented in 1846, improved greatly in 1884 and adopted by several countries for their military shortly after. Since then the tech has vastly improved, and by 1963 most cartridges leave little or no trail of smoke...What did these guys purport to see making smoke? I've no idea but it wasn't from a rifle being fired. CASE CLOSED. JFK shot by a marxist with no conspiracy involved.
Deputy Seymour Weitzman ran behind the fence immediately after the shooting where he encountered a fake Secret Service agent.He later IDd the man as Watergate burglar & Brigade 2506 member Bernard Barker.
cdd´..: if evidence came out with a 100% proof that JFK was assassinated through a conspiracy, you had still written here that it was LHO who did it alone. Did your parents mention that you was an irrelevant kid?
USA, a country with perhaps the best forensic detectives at that time - IGNORE THIS...?
The Warren Commission who ignore these witnesses, is nothing else but shame on you!
After seeing this I am (the 1st time I see this video) 100% sure that there were more than one gunman,
But what i write now is not the truth, but a possibility: the novel The Count of Monte Christo. "We who are here all hate Edmond Dantes". Read that book, it's not only for teenagers.
cdddraftsman, you are the single biggest fuckwit on the face of the earth.. any1 that believes the warren commissions magig bullet theory is beyond held.. the only proof they could offer to support thier theory was by use of a nuclear lab , but where was there lab on nov 22 1963.. NOT IN THE STREET IN DALLAS so how did they make it work then dickhead.. get a life you fuckin loser
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Zapruder stated he heard "no shots from the grassy knoll" , when interviewed on camera that day he pointed to the right side of his own head as to where the explosion of JFK's head occured , which means the shot came from behind JFK and from the TSBD !
Comfirms WCR as being right all along !
Eat shit and die ! You pinko's didn't get away with 'Hi-Jacking History' for a second time .
No No No Bad Gay Boys ! "Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor" Grassy Assed Aholes !
Modern ammo is smokeless ! Modern ammo doesn't emit puffs of smoke ! Oliver Stone , much to his annoyance , had to get a special effects man to use a bellows to get his required amount of smoke for filming the movie 'JFK' because no ammo used in 1963 or today produces "PUFFS OF FUCKING SMOKE YOU HUFFING FUCKING PUFFING SUCKING FUCKING HILLBILLY !
READ MY LIPS & TRY BLOWING THAT SMOKE OTTA YOUR REAR END !
nice try. these men were all from Texas where guns are plentiful, and probably all served in wars as well. they weren't idiots. it amazes me how people continue to deny hard evidence like that presented here.
rnfr 1 week ago
It is likely witnesses heard the echos of the reports off the concrete landscaping and fence. They looked over there they saw the "little puffs of smoke" from cigarettes. The witnesses themselves admitted there were butts and lots of footprints there. A couple people were lined up there smoking watching the parade; probably railroad workers.
Scottthefish 2 weeks ago
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Scottthefish 2 weeks ago
James "Ike " Altgens, the legendary photographer,stated that shortly before the limo arrived inside the kill zone, he observed several individuals arrive up into the grassy knoll and that one of these persons was dressed as a DPD policeman ? NO policeman was EVER,officially,nor admitted to afterwards as, ever, being stationed near or on the grassy knoll ! Who were these persons ?
redtorso 3 weeks ago
What bothers me about il $ignor Vincent Buglio$i is his very very very late intere$t in the ca$e !!!! :-( .......No memories of him back in the sixties when the events occured ????? the JFK murder ? No doubt a endless source of money in America .... :-(
redtorso 3 weeks ago
Lee Bowers Jr " a car came into thearea and a man had what appeared to be a mic up to his face ! " Lee Bowers Jr was the most important witness that day in the Grassy Knoll area !!!
redtorso 3 weeks ago
S.M Holland about the WC cover of his testimony : "they are wrong " Does S.M.Holland looked insane for you ? DEFINITLY NOT for me & for 95 % of the people worldwide interested in this case :-( ....................
redtorso 3 weeks ago
Overwhelming evidence of multiple gunmen and multiple shots. It's amazing that there were all these witnesses documenting the proof of a conspiracy and a triangulation of crossfire between the assassins, and it gets ignored by the Warren Commission.
TheLensSolution 4 weeks ago
@TheLensSolution this springs to mind "CLOSED-MINDED: Also called selective editing, selective attention, selective perception, selective abstracting, specific abstracting, mental filtering, mental editing, preferential selection, a cognitive bias, impaired abstract reasoning, ignoring, tunnel vision, being in a closed system, being closed to investigation or examination, "taking things out of context," "having blinders on," i could add more .
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
a second shooter.
tomitstube 2 months ago
I HEARD 5 , NOW WHAT! YEAH PISS ON PEOPLE AND TELL THEM ITS RAIN,ITS CALLED DIS INFO AND THERE ON HERE AS WELL TO DO IT.
hipowerz 2 months ago
@hipowerz exactly ,its when they say dont piss on my shoes and tell me its raining .i guess a lot of people have wet shoes and it aint raining.
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
I HEARD 5 , NOW WHAT!
hipowerz 2 months ago
Wow! You see the puff of smoke in one of the pictures!!! Does that not tell you something???
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GrayfieldMerBear 4 months ago
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cruisersism 4 months ago
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48alfaone 6 months ago
*(1) These True Interviews*, by many completely sane American men, just yards away from a Gun Shooting in full daylight killing a U.S. President. (2) Plus the "Fact" that the U.S. Government has locked away, hiding many Government JFK Murder Files & Evidence for the Next 75 Years, "SHOULD Cause The American People To REVOLT", Demanding The Case Be Reopened With Any & All Evidence Produced In Full, Right Now!! "Your" American Government & Country was "Stolen"!! *Wake Up, Support Anonymous Now*!!
48alfaone 6 months ago
As I was watching live video of Charles Whitman shooting from the University of Texas clock tower in 1966 using a high power rifle, huge puffs of smoke are clearly visible from his rifle. For so many witnesses in the JFK assassination to say they saw "puffs" of smoke from the grassy knoll/ railroad area is completely believable. The United States government has been covering up Kennedys death without question.
MrCoal11 7 months ago
rehearsed
purpleblood93 7 months ago
Listen Americans, Multiple of "Credable Witnesses indicating the Smoke of the High Powered Explosive-Bullet Semi-Autimatic Rifles coming from the Picket Fence,A Perfect Tripod for Expert C.I.A. hired Snipers,an Ambush on John Fitzgerald KENNEDY".The"Warren Commission Delibrately IGNORED ALL the Major Witnesses because they needed NO Conspiracy and their "Single Bullet Theory"which is laughable"Everyone at the Daily Plaza heard Multiple Shots", ranging from 3 to 4 Shots.The Warren Commission LIES
Jules7892 8 months ago
Basically, "Rush To judgement" is a big bunch of nothing. All Lane does - in his mind-bogglingly tedious manner - is interview a few witnesses who disagree with the WC conclusion. The WC did that too, and in a much more honest and unbiased way. Lane was caught early on trying to manipulate witnesses into changing their testimony to make the contradictions more glaring between the witness and the official conclusion. Nothing can ever change the fact that a majority heard 3 shots from the TSBD.
dallasmanNO 8 months ago
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@dallasmanNO Keep drinking that koolaid. lol
larry1369 8 months ago
@dallasmanNO true but if 100 ppl on houston street could only hear the shots from the TSBD and the thin crowd on elm could hear both say 60 ppl heard 3-6 doesnt mean that because 100 heard 3 that thats how it happened. the 3 shot magic bullet theory doesnt hold up when you see jfk was hit at least twice, a missed bullet that grazed teague and the bullet found on the grass pocketed by fbi. then add the bullet that hit the crome above the connallys. and the FBI was 100x worse then lane
pat442389 6 months ago
@pat442389 Only 4 people "heard" shots from more than one direction, which in itself excludes the possibility of more than one shooter. A vast majority heard 3 shots, which, considering the echoes, more or less guarantees there weren't more. A large majority also identified TSBD as the source. From that testimony alone, 3 shots from the TSBD would be the obvious conclusion. Luckily, there's tons more hard evidence confirming that conclusion, all there for you to ignore and distort forevermore.
dallasmanNO 6 months ago
Mark Lane is perhaps more responsible than any other individual for muddying the waters of the JFK investigation. While unproblematic in and of themselves, his political leanings were far-left, and certainly influenced his relentless attacks on the WC. Most of the early WC critics were similarly inclined, and anxious to prove that Uncle Sam was stitching up an innocent commie. Nowadays the CT community is more right-wing, and includes "truthers", Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites. Nice crowd.
dallasmanNO 8 months ago
Who conducted these interviews?
1988Saluki 8 months ago
Simply amazing video!!! All these witnesses.....my god!!!
44skins 9 months ago
Any video/film that has Mark Lane as the primary interviewer is not to be believed. Lane is one of the biggest parasitic opportunists who has associated himself with the assassination. He has made a very good living exploiting the death of JFK.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 - and we're going to believe the word of someone who chooses to call himself LoneNutter? You must be out of touch. Anyone who doesn't believe in the Warren Commission stack of crap is not going to be interested in your opinion!
dbmyers2 8 months ago
@dbmyers2 It's the official version of what happened. To this day there hasn't been another group or individual who has been able to explain what happened in Dallas. There have been scores of different theories but they are significantly different from each other all of them can't be right. Most people who dismiss the Warren Report never read it. I suspect you've never read it either. All you're doing is repeating what some silly conspiracy author wrote in a silly conspiracy book.
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
@LoneNutter1 "All you're doing is repeating what some silly conspiracy author wrote in a silly conspiracy book.2
and all your doing is repeating what earl warren wrote in his report and what sector said about a magic bullet theory .
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
@fobrien1 You're correct to point and then it becomes totally different. First, Earl Warren didn't write the report but that's a minor point. The Warren Report was written with facts and evidence while the silly conspiracy books were written with half-truths, innuendo, supposition, rumor and in some cases outright fabrications. The Warren Report has stood the test of time while all of the conspiracy theories crumble to pieces under the lightest of scrutiny.
LoneNutter1 3 weeks ago
@LoneNutter1 "The Warren Report was written with facts and evidence while the silly conspiracy books were written with half-truths, innuendo, supposition, rumor and in some cases outright fabrications"
ever read case closed or reclaiming history ? you probably read atleast one of them ,do you know how many omitions /distortions /fabrications and even lies these books contain ? .
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
@fobrien1 I've read both of them as well as a number of the "conspiracy" themed books. Bugliosi throughly researched and footnoted his work. The vast majority of conspiracy books have little or no footnoting. When the conspiracy books don't provide the names of their sources it's a red flag that they've taken liberties with the information. The conspiracy books have earned a bad reputation in this regard. In addition, when they cite a source it's usually another conspiracy book without sources.
LoneNutter1 3 weeks ago
@LoneNutter1 interesting youve read both but you didnt seek to dispute what i said about the books above .
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
@fobrien1 Alright,if it's clarity you seek then I'll provide it.
"Case Closed" was fairly respectable.
"Reclaiming History" is outstanding and will be THE JFK assassination reference book for future ages.
If one is devoutly obsessed with "conspiracy" then I can understand why Bugliosi is hated and reviled.
LoneNutter1 3 weeks ago
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@LoneNutter1 "If one is devoutly obsessed with "conspiracy" then I can understand why Bugliosi is hated and reviled. "
its not a matter of being " devoutly obsessed with "conspiracy"" its about the truth its about authors you seem to hold in high esteem twisting /distorting /omiting /and yes lying . so i dont hate and revile these authors but i despise the methods they employ ,one should ask in an "open and shut case" why they feel the need to employ such methods .
fobrien1 3 weeks ago
@dbmyers2 What does my screen name have to do with facts and evidence??? Only a committed conspiracy believer finds significance in linking unrelated material and claim they've found something incriminating.
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
Excellent video, One of the best clips on youtube. Do yuo know when that interview of the railroad man took place. It appears to be in the 1960's.
390bullitt1968 9 months ago
There is NOT* a shred of proof of element to prove that is a PUFF* of smoke emanating from that picket fence.' gawd only knows .someone could have ''Tampered' w/ that picture.
TheBruT4L1ty 9 months ago
@TheBruT4L1ty There is not a shred of proof that this wasn't a puff of smoke. Your argument that someone took the time and energy to tamper with this photo is more unlikely then the idea that this is an untouched photo. The area in questions could be smoke or a reflection or something else. (PS. you might seem more rational if you wrote in a more legible manner)
dwayners13 9 months ago
Lube in lead bullets will cause smoke!
shahrdar 10 months ago
99 out or 121 witnesses interviewed said they heard THREE shots. The rest heard 2, 4, 5, or 6.
shaboo2 10 months ago
Please stop fighting, let's get along, let's talk about the puff of smoke at 8:15 and please do not say that is a cloud, or steam boiler that cause that impression.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
@Verdelufe It's highly unlikely there was a puff of smoke that would have been "hanging around" in the air that day. First of all rifles emit very little smoke. Plus, the winds in Dealey Plaza were gusting to 25 mph that day. Any "smoke" would have dissipated almost instantly. Lastly, the photograph is poor. You would need to have a camera and film to be of high resolution in order to capture the image of smoke.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Who knows what kind of weapon was behind the fence could be James Files' even a revolver or any weapon that create smoke. Explain why many witnesses saw the smoke, they were there you were not, and also explain why most people run to the grassy knoll where they heard the shots coming from.
You get that right 25 mph would leave the smoke right on the spot where this picture shows, the distance from the shot 20 to 30 from the corner of the fence, and how far the limo moved.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
@Verdelufe Revolvers and rifles don't emit much smoke when fired. That is unless the weapon being fired uses black powder like a musket.
I think it's safe to say that nobody was firing a musket at JFK that day or any other day. Oliver Stone used a smoke machine to re-create the "smoke" people saw from the grassy knoll/picket fence area when filming the movie JFK. If someone fired a rifle at the president, why didn't Stone use a rifle to re-create the smoke for the film?
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 If it is highly unlikely there was a puff of smoke then "WHAT IS THAT" ?
Verdelufe 11 months ago
@Verdelufe I don't know what that image is. But you're being hasty in assuming it's smoke.
For all we know something could have happened to the negative/print during the developing process. We don't know the history of the photo either. Someone could have Photoshopped the picture for all we know.
Then again, there are other CT'ers who insist ALL the photos and film taken in Dealey Plaza were confiscated and altered by the government. But I think they'd say the government missed this one.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Who knows what kind of weapon was behind the fence could be James Files' even a revolver or any weapon that create smoke. Explain why many witnesses saw the smoke, they were there you were not, and also explain why most people run to the grassy knoll where they heard the shots coming from.
You get that right 25 mph would leave the smoke right on the spot where this picture shows, the distance from the shot 20 to 30 from the corner of the fence, and how far the limo moved.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
@Verdelufe You're assuming there was a weapon behind the fence. There's no evidence to make that conclusion. But, for the sake of argument, let's say there was.
A rifle or revolver makes very little smoke when fired. The wind in Dealey Plaza was gusting up to 25 mph and it was blowing head on to the motorcade as they traveled down Elm Street. Unless you knew exactly where to look prior to the firing of a rifle or pistol you would not see any smoke. Wind gusts would dissipate the smoke created
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@Verdelufe within a fraction of a second. Capturing an image of smoke on a calm day would be difficult. Photographing smoke from a weapon on a windy day in nearly impossible.
The "smoke" people saw in Dealey could have been from the steam pipe that was next to the knoll. It could have been from the motorcycles the police were riding. Smoke from a rifle or pistol? Highly unlikely. Nobody saw anyone firing a weapon from the knoll that day. No evidence of a shooter on the knoll.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Of course nobody saw anyone firing a weapon from the knoll, EVERYBODY WENT TO SEE THE PRESIDENT AND NOT SNIPER SHOOTERS. It's becoming dull this kind of argument.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
@Verdelufe You can't be THAT obtuse.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
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@LoneNutter1 YES !! I am assuming there was a weapon behind the fence of course, the president is dead.
WC invited 3 extremely sharp shooter to duplicate Oswald supposed shooting, none of them could make it. What else do people need to know, only if LHO just hit a shot and missed the second shot, I mean if he was the one. THAT'S ALL. Case Closed - Conspiracy.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
lonenutter thinks the warren omission is worth reading!!! LOL ronreagan_russbaker.mp3
nicenonya3 1 year ago
Mark Lane is a true American hero,he risked his life exposing the corrupt Warren cabal,and JFK murderers...
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 LOL!! Now that's funny!!!
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 Mark Lane is a known communist, and the KGB is very proud of his involvement in causing doubt and causing the American people to doubt their own government.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! he called him a COMMIE!!! LOL
Are you stuck in 1953?HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
YOUR GOVERNMENT KILLED JFK,RFK and MLK......GET USED TO IT!!! YOU MORON!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 Perform some serious research on Mark Lane. Then you'll see that it is *you* who is the "MORON".
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover It's clear who the moron is
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 Yes, it is. It's yourself, nicenonya3.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
got it, lonenutter??? maybe your poor scores in reading comprehension are preventing you from seeing the same things that 80% of Americans agree on.... just saying...
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards
What are 80% of the Americans agreeing on?
A conspiracy?
Which one?
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
ok lonenutter.... since you are reading challenged and my very words are right in front of you... I'll repeat it again >>> 80% OF AMERICANS DO NOT ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE WARREN COMMISSION THAT CONCLUDED A ' ONE SHOOTER ' THEORY. HENCE, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC THEORY THAT ALL ACCEPT, BUT 80% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THERE WAS DEFINITELY A 'CONSPIRACY' <<< conspiracy, by definition, would require a single person ( or more ) involved in the murder of JFK, in addition to LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards That's about the best answer you could have given seeing that the majority of people believe there was a conspiracy. But thanks to the delusional conspiracy theorists, they dominated the dialogue with their goofy theories. Over the past few years I've seen a shift in the opinion of people who are now believing that LHO did it alone. The CT'ers have failed to produce a single piece of credible evidence to support any of the dozens of lame-brained theories.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 try breaking the Prozacs in half before posting on youtube next time!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 Sounds like good advise from someone with experience.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 "Over the past few years I've seen a shift in the opinion of people who are now believing that LHO did it alone. "
this idiot must be BUGolosi!!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3 Name calling and insults always trumps facts and logic.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 So...if "80% of American's believe it was a conspiracy", then what are you bitching about, and what the hell difference does it make? This crime was committed nearly 50 years ago. Just how many people out of that 80% do you think have taken the time to actually sit down and study the case, and come to that conclusion? Most people couldn't give a shit about this topic, because its right up there with Bigfoot & Loch Ness. So live with it.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover I believe that the majority of Americans think there was a conspiracy. That's partly due to the conspiracy theorists having dominated the discussion with all their silly plots and goofy gunmen. Sadly, many people have profited financially with the sales of their conspiracy grabage.
I think it's a shame the profiteering conspiracy parasites have feasted on the remains of the JFK assassination and have delibertely mis-informed people (the very people you spoke of in your post)
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards Eighty percent of the American public have not studied the case, and do not have all of the facts. They have been hoodwinked by conspiracy whores for the past 47 years.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover All the facts?? Funny how the Warren Commission, which LBJ never wanted, but was forced to form because of the outcry of the American people, never considered all the facts ( the real hoodwink ). One incident does not create suspicion, but the scores of questionable evidence and contrary testimony surrounding the assassination will keep this story going until the real truth is found. Keep calling people names, it really doesn't help your case.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards First off, I don't claim to have a "case", as you put it. Secondly, the "real truth" was found in that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy with his rifle. With 53 pieces of evidence against him. What are the "scores of evidence and contrary testimony" ? Name names and provide proof that Oswald didn't kill JFK.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover Sure you have a case. Your case is the Warren Commission Report. Which is full of holes and omissions. I don't have to prove that LHO didn't shoot JFK to show CONSPIRACY. You know what a CONSPIRACY is, don't you?? Two or more people involved. That's it, nothing more. So, why don't you break down every witness and every piece of evidence that points to a conspiracy, instead of just leaving those parts out, just like the Warren Commission? Topic 1>Jack Ruby's statements in court.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards If I have a "case", it is due to my own, private research, and it has little to do with the Warren Report. I have examined the witness statements who were in Dealey Plaza, with a fine toothed comb. It was through this assassination that I became aware that you cannot rely on what people say they saw and heard, to make a case, especially when we have people like Jean Hill, who, years later, resurfaced and told lie after lie about what she saw. Jack Ruby was a nutcase.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover Agree. It doesn't trouble me as much that there are so many divergent reports of shots, locations, etc. It troubles me that the WC cherrypicked a few. How are we to know those statements are reliable and not another Jean Hill or Ruby? We don't. It arbitrary almost and that's what a lot of people have a problem wiht...
bestdayz11 11 months ago
OH WAIT.... IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED, ANYWAY. lol LoneNutter, read my last post. 80% of Americans do not accept the account that you do. period.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
Furthermore, just how can a witness get an estimation of age, dress, height, weight and race of one who stands in a window ( most likely wanting to avoid detection being that he is about to kill the President ) that is partially open and obscuring at least 50% of any figure who might be there? And this is testimony that LoneNutter chooses to believe as he scoffs at testimony from others at separate perspectives that cramp or destroy the single bullet theory?
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
and order a coke from the coke machine and act cool and calm untile officer marion Baker sees Oswald drinking his coke in the break room. And according to baker Oswald was not out of breath, but calm and very surprised to see a gun pointed at him. The evidence to suggest that oswald murdered officer tippit is even more flemsy. I am convinced had oswald lived, no jury in the world would have convicted oswald of the murders, but only as a conspirator!
97camiro 1 year ago
I always believed that the evidence against Oswald was very weak. The FBI found no fingerprints or palm impressions on the rifle, and add to the fact that the assassins rifle was ID as a 7.65 German Mauser by 3 officers and not a carcano on November 22nd. But most importantly Oswald was exonerated from the nitrates test proving Oswald never fired a rifle that day! Its unlikely Oswald can fire 3 rounds wipe the gun of fingerprints, hide it in the opposite side of the room, run down 4 flights....
97camiro 1 year ago
these rare films were all great investigative works of attorney Mark Lane He questioned witnesses the the government failed to talk to. This leads credance that the W.C. were very selective about the witnesses they brought in. From the start the government wanted no part or leverage of more shooters involved.
97camiro 1 year ago
Everyone seems so caught up in the conspiracy they seem to have forgot about poor JFK
architecturalabdabs 1 year ago
Cunts are still ruling the world.
ninyae 1 year ago
The railroad workers saw smoke coming from the trees by the picket fence? Really? That's funny. I don't recall reading that black powder rifles were fired at the president. You see, firearms like a muzzle loader make lots of smoke when they're fired. But a rifle does not. So if they saw smoke by the trees, it wasn't from a rifle. More conspiracy theory balderdash.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 More of your insane fucking misinformation and disinformation (baloney and NOW balderdash). All rifles emit smoke when fired. It is a question of degree. Some emit more some emit less ALL emit a certain amount!! You see fuckers like you should be fucking muzzled and thrown in among the bears in the zoo whose muzzles would have been removed. Where the fuck do you get words like 'baloney' and 'balderdash'? What next? Poppycock and piffle!!? LOL
You nincompoop!!!
sharaIantam 1 year ago
@sharaIantam Do you in the celler of your Mom's home? You seem to have a fixation with either me or my posting 'cause you're following me all over the place. I don't care if you do and I don't care you seem obsessed with posting comments about my postings. Keep tailing me 'cause I'm going to be going to more silly conspiracy sites here on YouTube and laugh at the wacko postings of the Conspiracy Cultists.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@sharaIantam You sound like a lunatic when you post swear words. It's very amusing!
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 I may sound like one. YOU are one!!
If you want 'amusing" get back to fucking Disney Land where you came from!!
sharaIantam 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 then why does the one railworker walk the reporter to the exact spot where "Badgeman" fired what was the fatal shot shown in the Moorman photograph? Quite a coincidence. Of the 104 eyewitnesses that testified 55 heard shots from the depository while 33 testified that they heard shots from the overpass, railyard, or grassy knoll area. Logically that means more than one origin of gunfire. Unless you have photos of Oswald firing from the depository window no one else seems to have
justice008a 1 year ago
@justice008a Dealey Plaza is an echo chamber. Even Gary Mack ( the father of Badgeman) agrees. Buell Frazier was standing in the doorway of the TSBD and he thought the shots came from the Knoll. Harold Norman was on the 5th floor of the TSBD and heard 3 shots and 3 shells hit the floor above him.If some was on the knoll shooting at the president (and that is possible but not probable) then the shoter missed the target. JFK was not shot from the front or side. So says the 9 forensic patholigists
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 I hold more stock in the theory of Roscoe White being Badgeman. CIA operative who was hired onto the Dallas police force around the same period Oswald was hired at the book depository. Who better than a uniformed policeman to be able to draw a weapon without arousing suspicion? plus police can direct citizens away from certain areas. Never made any sense to me that Oswald happened to get a job there weeks before Kennedy passed right under his open wondow. Dallas is a big city
justice008a 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 Dealey Plaza may be an echo chamber,but do puffs of smoke echo? Do they linger in the air, as seen by no fewer than 10 witnesses? Why would these accounts be ignored by the FBI and why would Hollands rock solid and unwavering account be twisted by the WC to support a theory of no grassy knoll shooter? Those that deliberately altered or ignored eyewitness accounts and continue to dismiss gaps in the WC are themselves supporting the weaker version of events.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards First of all, rifles to not create smoke of any significance. They do make lost of smoke if you're firing a blackpowder version. But I think we can eliminate the possibility of a musket being fired in Dealey Plaza. Second, it was very windy that day. There were wind gusts up to 25 mph during the motorcade. Smoke is not going to linger in the air for any lenght of time under those conditions. One of Hollands co-workers thought the puffs of smoke came from on of the motorcycles
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards It's interesting to note; if a rifle were able to make enough smoke sufficiently to be seen, why did Oliver Stone in the making of the movie JFK have a smoke making machine instead of firing blanks from a rifle to create the smoke effect?
Holland was nearly 70 yards away from the "smoke" and unless he was looking at the precise area where the supposed shots came from. how would he have been able to see it?
Nobody ever saw someone standing on the grassy knoll at the time of
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 THEY DONT FIRE REAL BULLETS IN THE MOVIES, black powder rounds or otherwise. Is it your contention that not only Holland, but three other witnesses who were with him were all mistaken? I find Holland highly credible. He and the others raced towards the sound and the smoke and found footprints and cigs in the dirt ( mud ) at the fence. They found mud on the fence and on the bumpers of cars at that scene. Btw, I don't consider anything from the Stone movie as evidence in the murder.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards the shooting. Lee Bower had the best view of all and he didn't see anyone on the knoll, the fence or by the wall.
Nice forensic patholigists who examined the autopsy report, the xrays and photos of JFK all agreed in their report to the HSCA that there was no evidence of any of the shots that struck the president of coming from the front or side. Both shots that struck him came from above and behind.
In my opinion the WC came to the correct decision in their report in 1964.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 Lee Bowers, with an (s) was the mans name. And your'e wrong, he specifically stated that he saw a flash or a 'puff of smoke' that drew his attention to the picket fence area. Although he did not divulge all details of his account to the the media, he did tell a close friend ( another CT? ) about seeing two men at the fence. Bowers was killed after an auto accident where witnesses say he was driven off the road. The ambulance crew said he stated 'someone put something in my coffee'.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards Go ahead and believe whatever you want.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards Since then, the Church comitte and the HSCA supported the findins and decision of the WC.
The constant chatter about "conspiracies" are fragmented and without merit. There's no credibile evidence that's come forward in nearly 50 years. It's time the CT'er admit they've been chasing phantoms for almost half a century.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 Your response is weak and invalid. The people who choose the WC version of events are the group that are ignoring evidence and testimony from a multitude of sources. Like most of that group, you don't contradict witness testimony with other evidence, you say they are mistaken, paranoid, or suffering from mass hysteria. Reagan and Ford both had attempts on their lives from single shooters. If there is some innate desire for conspiracy theories, where are they regarding these two men?
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards So...what do you want from me? Do you want me to suddenly have an epiphany from your posting that my opinion is wrong??
If you want to believe that something happened when the evidence says it didn't...go ahead.
If you want to believe something didn't happen when the evidence says it did...go ahead.
You can believe whatever you want...I really don't care.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 Evidence? We are specifically talking about EVIDENCE. That is what eyewitness testimony is. The Warren Commission pointed to the testimony of Howard L. Brennan who gave a spot on description of LHO in the 6th floor window from his vantage point on the street. I find this more unlikely testimony than that of Holland and others on the overpass. Especially, considering how the nest was fashioned to keep the shooter from view ( WC verbiage ) as the shot was taken on Elm and not Houston
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards
You seem obsessed to have me change my mind.
Why?
By the way...Brennen had been observing the man with the rifle prior to the shots being fired and had a long look at him. The snipers nest was to block the view of anyone coming up the stairs or the elevator on the inside of the building not the outside.
But you go ahead and believe whatever you want.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 I'm not obsessed with your point of view, sir. Moreover, you are the person who initiated the reply to me, not the reverse. But, if Brennan was watching a man with a rifle in the window A) why did he not alert anyone B) why would no police see what he was seeing C) how could see anyone in detail considering the configuration of the nest ( public record ) that specifically was designed to keep the shooter from view and take the shot on Elm? Lastly, did he see a puff of smoke?
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards But you are obsessed with my point of view and you seem determined to change it.
I'll state it again for you sir in case you missed it in my prior postings:
You can believe whatever you want. I don't care.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 With all respect, you have no view. You accept the findings of the Warren Commission without question. You are repeating the findings of the Warren Commission and in doing so, you are deleting testimony, fashioning evidence to fit a pre-set conclusion, and childishly discrediting reasonable and often powerful contrary points of view as insignificant or even paranoid. I suggest a change of name from LoneNutter, to something more appropriate..... how about GuliblesTravels ?
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards I took the time to read your postings and the fact of the matter is, you're mind was already mand up. You questions were based on only one thing; to spew off more of the silly and unprovable accusations that the conspiracy crowd loves to wallow in.
As a reformed conspiracy theorist, I had the fortitude to be willing to challenge my own beliefs about what happend that day in Dallas. I was firmly convinced the 3rd shot was a frontal shot and it was an outrage to think
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards we were being lied to by the government that the shots came from behind. After doing much independent reading about ballistics, and reading the report from the HSCA as well as myriad other activities, I changed my mind about the assassination.
So you can keep on peddeling the same old tired worn out unprovable baloney the CT'ers have been spreading for over 40 years. I don't give a damn!
If anyone is a follower or sheeple, or lemming or parrot, it's you sir!
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards So now it time for you to go away and spend time with your silly childish conspiracy friends where you can compare notes about who did what and when and how and whatever suits you.
I have no time for your ignorance!
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 In this entire thread, you have not invalidated one single piece of witness testimony or observation that I have revisited. Have you even read the WC report and balanced it against the video testimony of those who were there? You know what is great? That you are actually in the extreme minority. Over 80% of Americans feel that LHO did not act alone, was a patsy, or was completely innocent. So, you need to go hang with the fringers, those who reside outside the mainstream of opinion.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards And I'm not about to either. Your mind is made up. It's closed. Shut down. Locked. Sealed. Impervious to a new idea. Bullet-proof (pardon the expression) to any new thought or concept.
I have only one question;
Which conspiracy specifically do 80% of Americans believe?
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 The Warren Commission Report is far from a ' new idea '. It is the most extensive and comprehensive account of SELECTED events and testimony the government has ever compiled on the incident. I have read it thoroughly. I find it half hearted, lacking, specious, questionable, and porous. I'm convinced if the current media existed in 1963 ( internet, youtube, etc. ) where the repetition of witness testimony could be viewed, unfiltered by the tv, it would have never have been accepted.
slotstikskimboards 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards You didn't answer the question I posed earlier. I'm not surprised but you're still welcome to try and answer it.
Which conspiracy specifically do 80% of Americans believe?
You made this claim. Why don't you back it up?
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@slotstikskimboards You make an interesting comment. It's interesting to consider whether or not this coverup could have succeeded in the Internet and media age. Probably not. With cameras everywhere, you would have had everyone taking cellphone photos and videos of the event, and the FBI would not be able to steal and suppress so many photos the way they did in 1963. And with all of the constant coverage and interviewing of witnesses, people would see the conspiracy much faster.
TheLensSolution 4 weeks ago
@justice008a for the HSCA in 1979. Regarding photos of LHO shoting; well I've never seen one. But then again, we don't have any photo of anyone firing at JFK. Don't put your hopes on Badgeman. He's a figment of light and shadows and a vivid imagination. It's been clearly demonstrated that Badgeman would have to be very short (about 30"tall) or standing on a 16 ' stepladder in order to fit the dimensions of what some people think they see in the picture.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 I'm just saying there aren't any co-workers in the depository that put Oswald in position to shoot either. Most of his co-workers have him on the 2nd floor just before and after the shooting. Logically to me it makes more sense that he would let someone else into the building to do the actual shooting, but no one saw anyone inside the building that didn't work there. It also seems to me once captured he'd have been spouting political rhetoric. Probably involved; didn't act alone
justice008a 1 year ago
@justice008a Who specifically puts him on the 2nd floor just before or after the shooting?
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 The manager of the depository and the 1st policeman responding to the shots met LHO on the 2nd floor in the cafeteria 90 seconds after the shooting, by the policeman's account. He pointed a gun at LHO and asked the manager if he knew him. The boss replied he worked there. Co-workers saw him on the 2nd floor as late as 12:20pm, 10- 15 min before the shooting. There were workers who went up to the 6th floor after hearing shots and didn't see Oswald, who had to have been coming down
justice008a 1 year ago
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ericucsd 1 year ago
haha, us government busted for their lies again. us government = no credibility. 9/11 = inside job.
ericucsd 1 year ago
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Many people have discounted this version of events, as they've been told that guns now fire with smokeless powder. These same people will turn around and tell you that they saw puffs of smoke from the 6th Floor of the TSBD. Which is it, people?
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chrophe 1 year ago
Anyone who wish to see the actual killing bullet can do so in the newly digitally enhanced zapruder film which is available on Youtube. Frame 313 very clearly shows the path of the killing bullet. If one cares to compare the angle of mr Zapruders position with the position of the presidential limousine and the very clearly defined bullet in frame 313, one must be able to work out the angle from where the president were shot and therefore work out where the shooter of the killing bullet stood.
chrophe 1 year ago
ALWAYS trust those with nothing to gain from their testimony. Ignore the government, it cannot be trusted.
If at least 5 or 6 unconnected people (as is the case) say shots came from a certain area, then take it as read they did.
I also believe there was a shooter in the 3rd floor of the Daltex building (with a silenced rifle) as the angle does match the shot that hit JFK and Connaly. The shots from some part of the TSBD (roof then fire escape exit ?) were decoys and necessary to frame Oswald.
funkmasterjee 1 year ago
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@funkmasterjee : I've been with this since the day it happened, and I agree with much (if not all) that you say. The angle from the Dal-Tex is spot on.
Have you been there? Fascinating. I could spend hours there. Oh yeah, I already have.
Dogheadj 1 year ago
This shit is so buried, we'll NEVER know the real truth!!! Oswald = patsy!!
VIKING33NY 1 year ago
According to James Files he used a Remington Fireball. This DOES emit a puff of smoke.
ipolson 1 year ago
We had Roy Hargraves and Philip Vidal Santiago as spotters on the street at the base of the knoll. Then Agent Barker as the spotter behind the fence with our gunman who was dressed as a Dallas Police Officer. According to my info it was Roscoe White, but E. Howard Hunt said it was Lucien Sarti...
Either way it was pissed of Agents from JM-WAVE (CIA and Anti-Castro Cubans) who were behind the entire Operation... There's a long history behind what happened...
DavidAtleePhilips 1 year ago
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"and saw smoke coming out from the trees at the picket fence on the grassy hill"
Well if they saw smoke it definately wasn't from a gun. Modern smokeless ammunition doesn't emit a "puff of smoke". Oliver Stone couldn't get a gun that did the trick in his fantasy movie JFK so he got a special effects man to blow smoke from a bellows !
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
Ok watching Mark Lane interview this guy on the overpass, it is quite clear all the security for the president was eliminated, you mean to tell me people can sit on the overpass that is directly over the president's open top car!!!!! Anyone can shoot from this location, or drop something right on the president's lap. Seems a lone nut shooting from the depository was the least of the president's problems that day.
desertsky69 1 year ago
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@desertsky69 "u mean to tell me ppl can sit on the overpass that is directly over the president's open top car!"
They were there as part of the security so no unauthorised ppl would go up there. They were checked out before the motorcade by the DPD & SS.
Stupid Dumb Ass !
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
@desertsky69 "u mean to tell me ppl can sit on the overpass that is directly over the president's open top car!"
They where there as part of the motorcade security .
Dumb Shit !
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
@cdddraftsman - No, railroad workers standing on the overpass were not part of the motorcade security! You just make stuff up and insult people along the way, if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. If there was proper security on the overpass, people would not be allowed to be on it as the president's open top car passes underneath.
desertsky69 1 year ago
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@desertsky69 "No, railroad workers standing on the overpass were not part of the motorcade security!" See Mark Lanes video 'Rush to Judgment' thats were it came from. Interviews from the people on the overpass. Why would I make up something like that? BTW if the RR people didn't secure the overpass, who'd be there to stop anyone else from going up there? BTW , JFK's motorcade was the most heavily defended in SS history.
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
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@desertsky69 "You just make stuff up and insult people along the way"
BTW if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. All my statements come from rock solid eye-witness, solid physical evidence, etc. What do you find objectionable? Sweat sleeping Jesus, I even throw in testimony from a conspiracy video & you object? Explain?
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
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@desertsky69 "You just make stuff up and insult people along the way"
BTW if you have an intelligent statement about the facts or witness testimony, please share it. All my statements come from rock solid eye-witness, solid physical evidence, etc. What do you find objectionable? Sweat sleeping Jesus, I even throw in testimony from a conspiracy video & you object? Explain?
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
@desertsky69 You'll have to excuse my lying Lebensborn Nazi bastard son Dr. Lowry. He can't help who he is, and sadly it's all my fault.
Come VISIT MY CHANNEL and read my confession.
MsDrLowry 1 year ago 3
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THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK
by Historians D.J. Guth & D.R. Wrone-1980.
"RUSH TO JUDGMENT provides a classic example of subjective gimmickry , with it's scholarly cosmetic of 4,500 footnotes , containing hundreds of substantial errors and repetitions . Quotations within the text have been quietly changed in over 200 instances from original documented versions , important material has been excised from the evidence in order to highlight the trivial or to mislead"
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
They probably had the place crawling with agents, this was Lyndon B. Johnson's State after all, and George H.W. Bush and Richard Nixon were also allegedly there too...
They sat in on and controlled all the witness interviews that they possibly could, and probably used suggestive hypnosis to program what witnesses they could and select only those to testify before the Warren Commission whom would support their lies.
Look at the personality types of all these witnesses, it's consistent...
DavidAtleePhilips 1 year ago
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@DavidAtleePhilips "GHWB allegedly there too..."
George H.W. Bush was about to give a speech at a Rotary Club luncheon in Tyler, Texas, when they heard the news of President Kennedy's death. The speech was cancelled. Barbara Bush was at a beauty parlor in Tyler when she got the news.
Kooktart !
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
The case has been broken. If you are not aware of that you probably shouldn't even be commenting. See Doug Horne's "Inside The ARRB". There is no doubt about a cover up at the military hospital in Bethesda, Maryland and a cover up means a conspiracy.
tom6612 1 year ago
Well, A) it's not unusual for people to try to magnify their standing in some historic event (it happens all the time), and B) witnesses are often mistaken. There's also C) Mark Lane has a tendency to twist things around....
sudaev 1 year ago
Makes fpr a shit poor witness , thats why a lot of people weren't called before the WCR , they had better witnesses and these witnesses had already impeached their credibility by their affidavits at the sherrif's dept w/in 1hr after the assassination .
The WR members wanted to save them a lot of embarrassment .
CASE CLOSED !
cdddraftsman 1 year ago
Indded americans are verry funny in the US
but not in any other country in the world !!
better leave good humor to the englisch their far and far better.
can,t see anything laughable about those statements except that they are from a tottal other human level than the pytagoras disney explanations from the amazing flying WC circus explanations
kodiakbeer1 1 year ago
The last guy, Price, had the most laughable account of all. On the day of the assassination, he told the Dallas County Sheriff's Dept. that he heard approximately five shots, and then "maybe as much as five minutes later, another one." LOL.
He stated that the guy had something in his had, possibly a "headpiece". Then, when Lane interviews him years later, he says it may have been a gun. Right.
And did Price have telescope? He was over 200 yards away.
sudaev 1 year ago
@sudaev This is why eyewitnesses can't be totally relied on. People like Price and Jean Hill exaggerated and flat out lied, when it came to their accounts. Mary Moorman broke off her friendship with Hill, once Hill began changing her story and adding things. They saw an opportunity and took it.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
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sudaev 1 year ago
In March 1964, Simmons told the FBI he thought the shots came from the Depository . But over two years later, in the lovin' arms of Mark Lane, Simmons changed his story and said he thought the shots came from the wooden fence area of the knoll.
Holland gave imprecise testimony to the WC. Also, a co-worker of his believes that any smoke must have come from a police motorcycle.
Austin Miller claimed he saw smoke/steam near the underpass. It just so happens there was a steam pipe there!
sudaev 1 year ago
At 8:14 sec in this video, there is a puff of smoke coming from the trees and those two guys are already sitting down on the curb! while everyone is running or driving away fast or laying down for cover!
goldengirl67 1 year ago
Perhaps american Riffles are different than the rest off the world,just like the way they do their investigations
Meanwhile the rest off the world keeps laughing it,s great american cabaret almost english level class
300 million suckers fooled by 8 cows
kodiakbeer1 2 years ago
President Kennedy was shot by someone with a musket?...Smokeless powder for firearms was invented in 1846, improved greatly in 1884 and adopted by several countries for their military shortly after. Since then the tech has vastly improved, and by 1963 most cartridges leave little or no trail of smoke...What did these guys purport to see making smoke? I've no idea but it wasn't from a rifle being fired. CASE CLOSED. JFK shot by a marxist with no conspiracy involved.
roastbeefdinner 2 years ago
Actually, that doesnt prove shit, CASE STILL OPEN!
blazed24sevn 1 year ago
Exploding cokebottles are being called
molotow cocktails
they were not spotted at the sene LOL
one of the most fantastic lone nutters cq harry potter explanations
kodiakbeer1 2 years ago
Sam Holland and co workers
We better believe them
No need for the enormous amount of signals and corrobaration to support and confirm their statements.
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kodiakbeer1 2 years ago
Deputy Seymour Weitzman ran behind the fence immediately after the shooting where he encountered a fake Secret Service agent.He later IDd the man as Watergate burglar & Brigade 2506 member Bernard Barker.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
cdd´..: if evidence came out with a 100% proof that JFK was assassinated through a conspiracy, you had still written here that it was LHO who did it alone. Did your parents mention that you was an irrelevant kid?
petereuropa 2 years ago
Helmer, thank you for posting all these videos.
ROCKSLIDZ 2 years ago
USA, a country with perhaps the best forensic detectives at that time - IGNORE THIS...?
The Warren Commission who ignore these witnesses, is nothing else but shame on you!
After seeing this I am (the 1st time I see this video) 100% sure that there were more than one gunman,
But what i write now is not the truth, but a possibility: the novel The Count of Monte Christo. "We who are here all hate Edmond Dantes". Read that book, it's not only for teenagers.
petereuropa 2 years ago 2
cdddraftsman, you are the single biggest fuckwit on the face of the earth.. any1 that believes the warren commissions magig bullet theory is beyond held.. the only proof they could offer to support thier theory was by use of a nuclear lab , but where was there lab on nov 22 1963.. NOT IN THE STREET IN DALLAS so how did they make it work then dickhead.. get a life you fuckin loser
rhoadsfan 2 years ago
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Zapruder stated he heard "no shots from the grassy knoll" , when interviewed on camera that day he pointed to the right side of his own head as to where the explosion of JFK's head occured , which means the shot came from behind JFK and from the TSBD !
Comfirms WCR as being right all along !
Eat shit and die ! You pinko's didn't get away with 'Hi-Jacking History' for a second time .
No No No Bad Gay Boys ! "Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor" Grassy Assed Aholes !
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
say "puffs" of smoke instead of one single puff
Pssst I gots bad news fer ya !
Modern ammo is smokeless ! Modern ammo doesn't emit puffs of smoke ! Oliver Stone , much to his annoyance , had to get a special effects man to use a bellows to get his required amount of smoke for filming the movie 'JFK' because no ammo used in 1963 or today produces "PUFFS OF FUCKING SMOKE YOU HUFFING FUCKING PUFFING SUCKING FUCKING HILLBILLY !
READ MY LIPS & TRY BLOWING THAT SMOKE OTTA YOUR REAR END !
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