@weathertrainboy77 The line at one time had thru Boston-Washington passenger service! Via PRR-LHR-NH. It would be a great line to have in emergency if the NEC ever had problems. But instead it's a bike way. That's what you get when the highway people run the transportation policy for the nation.
@cbehr91 Where was our government in all this? If a highway or airport was wrecked they'd be right there to fix it. And make it bigger and better! You see you never paid the ticket tax on train tickets in force till 1965 from 10 to 15% federal tax on train tickets. Some states had taxes on that and cities! Billions collected spent on roads and airports with trust funds!! Amtrak and the railroads still pay a fuel tax.
@MilwaukeeSDman That would have allowed competition, PC was not interested in that. Plus, no way in hell could the L&HR at that time been able to afford such a purchase..
Too bad somebody hasnt invited Marty Feldner to drop in this thread. He is an L & HR fan who lives in the area, and has a web page devoted to the L & H. There is also a Yahoo group devoted to the L&H. I get time I,ll try and find the links. Have to go to bed. Railroad work is a killer at times
I've only seen one other by Mark I Videos (they have a website). It's 8mm films of the railroad in the late 60s & 70s. I personally don't have it. I captured this segment from 'From The Ashes'. It seems like it was a fairly popular video.
then it either needed to be part of conrail or face abondonement. they had close to nothing in the way of on line customers, the only thing that kept them in business the lat year was the zinc mine at ogdensburg, which closed not long after the conrail merger. unfortunately it did need to be part of conrail. the trains that you see on this video are from before the poughkeepsie bridge burned. this is not what it looked like on april 1 '76
Okay? Should I re-title the video? I read in newspaper articles here on the net about the incident that the bridge fire was possibly set by Penn Central because that line had no importance to them and they didn't care about their connections with the L&HR or the CNJ (and because there was no traffic in general). There were a whole number of factors that screwed the smaller roads that would eventually be part of Conrail but the bridge burning was a huge part.
@cbehr91 I think your right, the government had the power to make PC fix the bridge. But PC knew they wouldn't. The government has always done what the lobbys that control the transportation policy wanted. The highway, oil and airline people make our transportation policy. And they don't want trains. Today they have taken stock positions to control our largest railroads. Today many of these people are foreign investors from oil rich countries.
With the PRR-NYC merger the LHR was hurt bad because traffic then was out of Selkirk down the West Shore Line & only limited traffic from the EL. So in April 1972 the LHR entered receivership.
But besides that with the formation of Conrail, You would have Conrail at Maybrook, Campbell Hall Andover Jct. & Belvedere. The LNE, NYOW were long gone & the NYSW was embargoed then back to Butler so no traffic there. So there for no need for a bridge line like the LHR. But it is a shame.
And the burning of the Poughkeepsie River bridge in 1974 is what killed the company because that was the only connection that railroad had out of Maybrook. Maybrook used to be a huge railroad town and even by then it was dead. And not only that, the CNJ had pulled out of Pennsylvania and so did the LHR, their western terminus was Phillipsburg.
The bridge did have alot to do with it but the formation of the PC, they had plans ahead of diverting traffic over the West Shore from Selkirk before the bridge fire. My Grandfather worked for the NYC & PC for 40 years.
Remember the LHR was co-owned by the PC, EL, LV Rdg and CNJ after it went into receivership in April 1972 and the Poughkepsie bridge fire didn't happen until May 1974, two years later.
Well it is under renovation, part of a rail-trail with the bridge as the certerpiece. I think they are done tearing up the old track as of a few weeks ago.
Well we would all love it to be a railroad bridge again, but if having it as a rail-trail and saving it that way instead of meeting the scraper's torch, I take it !
@notalott You are correct! It was a great route around the North East Corridor in case of a emergency. At one time there was thru passenger service over it via the PRR-LHR-NH Washington-Boston. One of the trains was called the "Federal Express" But when the highway,oil, and airlines control the government you lose your rail beds.
Anyone guessw what speed these trains were going? I'd say 45. And why were some hauling two cabooses? Who was the narrator? God bless.
cbalducc 3 months ago
Those were the good ol' days of railroading, back when railroads were railroads.
beatleman69 4 months ago
What was the purpose of the CNJ and PC leaving their caboose on a train?
TAMR213 6 months ago
The LH&R between Sparta and NJ/NY state line is now owned by NYS&W. North of the state line is owned by NS.
YankeePat94 10 months ago
This film was put out by Clear Block Productions in 1996.
railfreek 1 year ago
Looks like a fast Railroad,sorry that their is a such a thing as trucks.
csxns 1 year ago
@csxns And money, and the Penn Central.
cbehr91 1 year ago
@weathertrainboy77 The line at one time had thru Boston-Washington passenger service! Via PRR-LHR-NH. It would be a great line to have in emergency if the NEC ever had problems. But instead it's a bike way. That's what you get when the highway people run the transportation policy for the nation.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Thanks for posting! I've watched many times!
yonkersrails 1 year ago
acutually cbehr91 i knew this because on my vhs tape conrails begining it shows the burnt up bridge and it looked like hells gate lol
saintangerinc 1 year ago
i know right im pretty sure they could have rebuilt the bridge well then again didnt the bridge burn?
saintangerinc 1 year ago
Yes, the bridge burned, but the company was broke and it was doubtful if they could've remotely afforded rebuilding it.
cbehr91 1 year ago
@cbehr91 Where was our government in all this? If a highway or airport was wrecked they'd be right there to fix it. And make it bigger and better! You see you never paid the ticket tax on train tickets in force till 1965 from 10 to 15% federal tax on train tickets. Some states had taxes on that and cities! Billions collected spent on roads and airports with trust funds!! Amtrak and the railroads still pay a fuel tax.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Why didnt the PC Just sell the line to LHR???
MilwaukeeSDman 2 years ago
@MilwaukeeSDman That would have allowed competition, PC was not interested in that. Plus, no way in hell could the L&HR at that time been able to afford such a purchase..
notalott 1 year ago
@notalott wellll...... you never know
MilwaukeeSDman 6 months ago
Highball!
hallsflat 2 years ago 3
great video! i used to see the trains rumble by the great gorge ski area in 1969.
ajmell7 2 years ago
this is cool!
jimbo2317 3 years ago
i think i have one of cr's c-420 in Ho scale cool vid!
steven8979 3 years ago
Too bad somebody hasnt invited Marty Feldner to drop in this thread. He is an L & HR fan who lives in the area, and has a web page devoted to the L & H. There is also a Yahoo group devoted to the L&H. I get time I,ll try and find the links. Have to go to bed. Railroad work is a killer at times
cvrnut09 3 years ago
I've only seen one other by Mark I Videos (they have a website). It's 8mm films of the railroad in the late 60s & 70s. I personally don't have it. I captured this segment from 'From The Ashes'. It seems like it was a fairly popular video.
cbehr91 3 years ago
the L&HR lost it's use May 8th 1974 when the poughkeepsie bridge burned
dumbbuff 3 years ago
Indeed.
cbehr91 3 years ago
then it either needed to be part of conrail or face abondonement. they had close to nothing in the way of on line customers, the only thing that kept them in business the lat year was the zinc mine at ogdensburg, which closed not long after the conrail merger. unfortunately it did need to be part of conrail. the trains that you see on this video are from before the poughkeepsie bridge burned. this is not what it looked like on april 1 '76
dumbbuff 3 years ago
Okay? Should I re-title the video? I read in newspaper articles here on the net about the incident that the bridge fire was possibly set by Penn Central because that line had no importance to them and they didn't care about their connections with the L&HR or the CNJ (and because there was no traffic in general). There were a whole number of factors that screwed the smaller roads that would eventually be part of Conrail but the bridge burning was a huge part.
cbehr91 3 years ago
@cbehr91 I think your right, the government had the power to make PC fix the bridge. But PC knew they wouldn't. The government has always done what the lobbys that control the transportation policy wanted. The highway, oil and airline people make our transportation policy. And they don't want trains. Today they have taken stock positions to control our largest railroads. Today many of these people are foreign investors from oil rich countries.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
WHAT has Ed Crist to say about that dumbuff??
paullubliner 2 years ago
With the PRR-NYC merger the LHR was hurt bad because traffic then was out of Selkirk down the West Shore Line & only limited traffic from the EL. So in April 1972 the LHR entered receivership.
But besides that with the formation of Conrail, You would have Conrail at Maybrook, Campbell Hall Andover Jct. & Belvedere. The LNE, NYOW were long gone & the NYSW was embargoed then back to Butler so no traffic there. So there for no need for a bridge line like the LHR. But it is a shame.
orphangames 3 years ago
And the burning of the Poughkeepsie River bridge in 1974 is what killed the company because that was the only connection that railroad had out of Maybrook. Maybrook used to be a huge railroad town and even by then it was dead. And not only that, the CNJ had pulled out of Pennsylvania and so did the LHR, their western terminus was Phillipsburg.
cbehr91 3 years ago
The bridge did have alot to do with it but the formation of the PC, they had plans ahead of diverting traffic over the West Shore from Selkirk before the bridge fire. My Grandfather worked for the NYC & PC for 40 years.
Remember the LHR was co-owned by the PC, EL, LV Rdg and CNJ after it went into receivership in April 1972 and the Poughkepsie bridge fire didn't happen until May 1974, two years later.
orphangames 3 years ago
Wow!
DumpTheAir 3 years ago
The Poughkeepsie Bridge should have been repaired!
notalott 3 years ago
It certainly should have but nobody had any money and there weren't enough trains over it do deem it important. It's still standing today, no?
cbehr91 3 years ago
Well it is under renovation, part of a rail-trail with the bridge as the certerpiece. I think they are done tearing up the old track as of a few weeks ago.
Well we would all love it to be a railroad bridge again, but if having it as a rail-trail and saving it that way instead of meeting the scraper's torch, I take it !
orphangames 3 years ago
@notalott You are correct! It was a great route around the North East Corridor in case of a emergency. At one time there was thru passenger service over it via the PRR-LHR-NH Washington-Boston. One of the trains was called the "Federal Express" But when the highway,oil, and airlines control the government you lose your rail beds.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Awesome
TrainiacProductions 3 years ago