See "I hate american health care" "ytalanwms" rejects Academic, anecdotal, journalistic evidence Rejects the fact it is the US systems where people are crying out for change, reject that even own Government has agreed change the present US system. 83% UK citizens support the NHS it cannot be that bad if 83% and must included a lot of rich and middle class people support it. I excepted from the beginning that the NHS is not perfect but is still rated at 18 higher than the US at 37.
@davijeph People who cry out for change, don't know what change is and that government run anything is bad. Although, they do, now, understand Obama change - High gas prices, depressed housing market, highest debt ever, Highest foreclosures ever, increasing unemployment at 9.1% - Yes liberal change is definitely with us for another 18 months until his sorry ass is kicked out.
@davijeph 80% of communist Russians support Communism - they think it's great and would never change to the Brit system - See, they don't know because they have never experienced it. So statistics from people are not indicative of the benefits of a system
@ytalanwms . "So statistics from people are not indicative of the benefits of a system".Therefore by your own values any statistics you put out are meaningless and your experiences in the US or UK (if you ever in fact used it) are both pointless.You really do like shooting yourself in the foot possible because aiming for your brain would be to small a target. Sod of you mindless imbecile. That really is it, I give you the last pop please feel free to use "statistics"? from the Daily Heil
@davijeph Dave: You really should slow down when you're mad. Your statements "aiming for you brain would be to small a target" should really read "aiming for your brain would be TOO small a target"
You really did miss out on education at school didn't you!
By the way, I would put my brain up against yours any day of the week.
@ytalanwms Some GOOD news from the Daily Mail. This UK Kid had a very successful operation but it cost his family about 45,000 pounds. That's because he couldn't get his problem resolved with the lack of NHS ability - He came over here to the USA for private health care. See Dave, there IS a God!
This just in - NHS is apparently planning on spending EVEN LESS PER CAPITA on health care with more cut backs - Dave the Ditto Dude is right - UK spends way less on health care than the USA. Doh!
(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
For today’s CEO’s pay just add say 25% to the figures below. If private medicine is so good in the US why do they need Medicare Medicaid and why do 60% of bankruptcies in US involve medical cost. Why do 45000 US citizens die every year because they do not get the correct treatment for having lack of medical insurance? Why does the US spend twice the amount of other countries on healthcare yet rated 37th in the WHO health report yet the NHS is rated 17 and at half the cost compared to the US
@davijeph You can't even cite any article showing a US citizen who died because of lack of insurance - Reason? In the USA, you don't need insurance to obtain health care. It's the law.
This just in: USA attempt at free health care going bust or Bankrupt as Dave likes to say. Dave: This is half way through 2011 - Your numbers are way old. Get with it would ya!
@Talkathonic It's ok if reading the Daily Mail is bad for my heath - I have private health care which is accessible...er.... about.... er 2 seconds from now. I won't have to wait 18 weeks.
Some one should ask ytalanwms if private medicine is so good in the US why do they need medicare/medicaid and why do 60% of bankruptcies in the US involve medical cost and why do 45000 US citizens die every year because they do not get the correct treatment for having lack of medical insurance and why does the US spends twice the amount of other countries on healthcare yet can only get rated number 37 in the WHO health report yet the evil NHS was rated 17 and at half the cost compared to the US
@davijeph Dave's answers are always the same - He has the explainations for these but harps on the same old same old.
He gives me the opportunity to again explain that we have free "PRIVATE" care for the uninsured. that free stuff, like the NHS is going broke. Going broke for someone who has no money is not an issue - It simply excuses the bill.
Dave should let everyone know how many people in the UK die due to lack of care - Just like in the latest article. Thanks Dave for the opportunity.
I kind of agree - However with the amount of NHS reports I see - I have to believe some of them are true - Surely someone would be sued for blatant lying... Besides, I have first hand experience with the NHS - It's not nice. I have had first hand experience with our private health care - It's very nice.
I also have to ask - If the NHS was so wonderful, how come there are private health services in the UK? -
@ytalanwms And look at those teeth! Fine health care indeed. You would think a hospital director would at least have the teeth taken care of by the wonderful health care services in the UK.
Dave wants me to look at the information from the BBC regarding the NHS government care.
The BBC is paid for by the government - I'm not sure it I can get a subjective report card from the BBC that slams the NHS. They paint a picture for the BBC because the BBC provides their cash.
Dave doesn't like the Daily Mail - They say bad things about the NHS
Dave doesn't like me - I say bad things about the NHS.
Dave loves the liberal news - They say nice things about the NHS.
Health care should be free for everyone, period. It's not fair for someone to have to choose between emptying their bank account or death. I bet most of the people who are so opposed to free health care don't have to deal with medical bills on a regular basis.
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@ytalanwms Try BBC news click on health, oh sorry you will not believe the BBC it's left wing and the academic the produced it is is a commie. Who made up your report Glenn Becks Butler. You poor sad mad bastard.
He's mad because I have highlighted the inefficiencies of the NHS
@ytalanwms Shame about the grammar and miss spellings again. He's lazy - won't even use the spell checker, although that technology won't fix his poor grammar.
Again, people start name calling when their uneducated minds don't have any more answers.
I'm ok with those of you who want Cameron care. I'm happy with my private care, which is a delight to experience. You should try it one day.
It's less of a delight for those poor people. My analogy would be "It's like the NHS" when you don't pay.
Epidemiologist and population health expert Professor David Leon, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, concluded that in the last five years, most European countries have been going in a "positive direction" for the first time in decades. He added deaths from cardiovascular disease in the UK had seen "some of the largest and most rapid falls of any Western European country,
It's impossible to win an argument that involves government supplying a product to the masses. They're crap at everything else, and the NHS is no different.
@ytalanwms What no response to Stephen Hawkins? Given that your (if he existed) dead brother was able to survive the full maximum term expected for the rare incurable cancer he had contracted and the cost had not finically ruined him or his family which is what would have so easily happened under the barbaric US system that also manages to waste over a trillion dollars year I fail to understand why you feel you must comment about a system you do not contribute you are a very sad ignorant man
@davijeph I believe the cost burden was on the Government of the UK. Course, it could have been private in which case your sorry standard of living would not have been affected.
I await your response about the standard of living for bankrupt people - Who have no money in the first place - hence no change in their life style.
@davijeph DOn't need to - Educated people will understand that people who cant pay don't get hurt due to bankruptcy. Educated people understand that going bankrupt is a legal maneuver in order to remove the requirement to pay a bill.
@davijeph Actually the side bar stories of his trip to death include financial discomfort - not to mention the fact that he was moved from hospital to hospital due to lack of rooms and lack of expertise getting stents into bile ducts and failing.
longevity was due to his unemployed wife looking after her husband - is a nurse - reacted to each temperature spike with antibiotics. Here we install medicated stents. There you install non-medicated stents due to cost.
@ytalanwms HIs wife saved his life, see that's the quality of a NHS trained nurse. What ever they use it obviously kept him alive the full expected term of his illness and it did not bankrupt him or his family. Get over it you sad man and grow up. You are to old at fifty-four to keep wasting your time on this crap and having that kind of chip on your shoulder. You hate the NHS OK I can live with that you will never have to use it and I will never have to fear going bankrupt over health costs.
@davijeph You assume his wife was an NHS trained nurse. Actually she was born in Malta. I don't state that the hired hands are no good. Hired hands in the control of the government are tied hands.
I'm glad to see you're mad at me. The truth tends to make people mad. You need to get over your hard on with the NHS, sit back and accept the fact that you are in a dead end situation.
By the way, you should study up on your English - It's - You are TOO old at Fifty. You have to use 2 Oh's.
@ytalanwms "The truth tends to make people mad." So given you think you are telling the truth and me the lies by your own admission you must be the mad one. What's a o between friends.
@davijeph If I go into A and E should I be treated for a broken thumb first because I have the money, or should a more serious case be dealt with first. Why should a child from a low income family that has yet to experience the world be denied the medicine that could potentially save his life. While a 90 year old billionaire extends his life by another couple of years simply because he has the money. Is it okay your fellow countrymen die even though you have the facilities to save them?
@davijeph Have you been drinking beer? Oh yes, it's St Patrics day. An "O" between friends is an indication that you are an expert on the NHS but you never studied in school long enough to be able to write without grammatical errors.
@ytalanwms Meanwhile, the US was at the same level as the lowest of any Western European country (Portugal for males and Denmark for females), despite spending more per capita on health care than any other country in the world, with the rate for women increasing at a much slower pace than Western Europe.
In 2007, average life expectancy in the US was 78 years compared to 80 in the UK. I've never claimed to be a NHS expert admit to a poor education but lack of o's or not still have beaten you.
@davijeph Don't know where you got your details from so here is something I found:
Meanwhile, the USA health care was found to be not only the best quality, but the most cost effective when comparing it to Europe countries. The findings included high costs for government administration costs.
In 2007, average life expectancy was 86 years compared to 82 in the UK and other European countries.
That seems to have tied your findings. Send me some more "Oh's" why don't ya.
@davijeph You seem to remove quite a few comments Dave. What's up? When the truth is abound, you don't have to think about the answers - they just flow out.
@ytalanwms Arguing on here is like competing in the Special Olympics, win or lose... you're still a retard. Besides, why should anyone take you seriously? I made a simple comment below and you responded calling me a "titsucker" and a "sorry arse" lol. You're one hateful sumbitch you are.
The NHS is shit, it's mismanaged for one, people who work in the NHS have an average of 22 sick days a year. It worked in 1944 when is was introduced but now we have opened up all the boarders and let people in who dont deserve to be in the UK, we have not surprisingly found this service suffering. It's out dated. Waiting 9 hours is the last thing i want to do when i cant breathe from the quinces., but i did, i pay my tax but lots of people who dont.
@Droberts691 i wouldn't wipe my ass on that rag, thank you very much. I speak form experience, the only three times in my life i have been to hospital - it was ridiculous. St Thomas hospital Vauxhall London - if you want to know
@ytalanwms I agree with you about the mismanagement and the fact that it could be better. However I don't believe its outdated, far from it. The service has only got better since it was first introduced. The american system wastes many more dollars and uses 16% of their GDP compared to the 8% we pay. The daily mail comment was referring to your point about immigration more than anything else. Immigration is something that is completely overblown by the daily mail. Uses it as a scape goat.
@Droberts691 We spend more because we offer more services. We have no waiting lines, We go overboard with tests. It's OK to spend money on your health - It may not be OK to spend less money. Cut backs on NHS spending would drop your 8% - Is that better? No, it just means you are spending less.
@ytalanwms It is okay to spend money on your health and yes the American system has some benefits. But while you have no waiting lines and more tests 45 million Americans have no cover. While on the NHS everyone is treated. Your health care is also controlled by insurance companies constantly looking for loopholes not to treat you. I know I prefer a service that treats me as a human that needs care and not a statistic to extort money from. Health care for the masses rather than for the elite.
@Droberts691 No so fast buddy. ALL AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. Make no mistake about that. It is the law. Everyone must be treated regardless of ability to pay. General misconception: To quote:
Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay.
@Droberts691 Also: Those 45,000 (and I believe the number to be true) elected not to seek medical attention. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a number in the UK showing the people who died due to no seeking medical attention.
@ytalanwms Its 45 million and it's not down to them not seeking medical care it is the fact some people can't afford it. Yes I'm sure there would be a number of people in the UK that died because they didn't go to the hospital, however that hospital wouldn't have turned them away under any circumstances. That is why our system is progressive, the rich pay more in their taxes where as the poor pay a smaller amount. Just because the poor cannot pay does not mean they deserve no medical care.
@Droberts691 Don't you understand that people who cant afford health care get free health care by private hospitals because the law in the USA requires it? What part of "free" don't you understand?
Let me repeat:
People who can't afford insurance HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE IN THE USA. In fact, people who CAN afford health insurance who elect not to purchase, get free care.
If that is true (and it certainly is) then the people who die due to lack of health care did not seek the required care.
@ytalanwms "Medicine in the USA costs are zero for those who can't afford it." - is that so? Why then did an important prescription medicine I needed cost over $100 a month when I lived there? When I said I couldn't afford it the response was "well you'd better find additional sources of income". I pay £7.40 a month now (that's about $5 a month). The NHS is far from perfect, but it has saved me tonnes of money.
@Briterican001 Your response was from the hospital admin - You should have gone to the government and talked to them (unless you were not a citizen). See talking to the government gets tit suckers like you the nourishment you need.
I prefer you stay in the UK, and pay the rest of your life for the wonderful service you get.
$100 per month is 16 hours of work at Macdonalds flipping hamburgers on minimum wage - You won't do that but you expect doctors to work for free to save your sorry arse
@ytalanwms Haha :) thanks for the laugh, tit suckers? Wow man. I tell you what, these forums are top loaded with assholes. I make a comment that includes no insults but merely a point and a question... and I get called a tit sucker and a sorry arse. Hateful asshole! LOL - I hope you die of AIDS you filthy piece of shit.
" I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he said. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived." Prof Stephen Hawkins.amount. I'm saying some people are getting the correct amount of compensation for US medical errors and even rich Americans can go bankrupt because of the twisted system you support. £7.40 each prescription how much does medicine cost in the US and can all US citizens afford to pay the costs?
"2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases" no matter how you twist it it must mean thousands of US citizen successfully sue the medical operators in the US for errors caused by a variety of reasons. No health care system can be perfect and the NHS is no exception what the Daily Mail chooses not to print very often are the overwhelming amount of successful things the NHS does but then the D.M did support Adolf Hitler until just before the start of WWII.
Perhaps, but that would mean I would have to have spent time looking but having easily found the statement "that 2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases" is more than sufficient evidence to prove that errors, cock-ups and stupidities are rampant within the US overpriced system.
@davijeph I don't spend any time looking - every time I open up the media from UK, I see the NHS debacle of the week. You however can't find a darn thing can you?
Mal practice suits keep people in check - The UK are also experiencing their fare share of malpractice suits against the NHS
Again, our costs might be more, but then again, we earn way more so your analysis is flawed. - Just like me getting a transmission replaced for $10,000. If I earn a million, the cost is not relevant .
I have not been looking for individual cases in the US. The fact that 2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases should be enough to show that US medical care can be just as flawed as the NHS if not more so. Sorry, I have not been searching frantically for anything. The Romford case was first reported on the BBC just assumed that the Daily Mail would report it also and it did
@ytalanwms Sourcing an anti-NHS argument with articles from the Daily Mail is akin to writing an essay on the failings of civil rights groups and using the KKK's official website for references. You're damaging whatever points you might be trying to make be even thinking that rag is an appropriate point of discussion for a supposedly intellectual debate.
@ieyeTunes So really, all the stuff in the Daily mail is utter lies - they are simply anti NHS and the NHS is really the best thing since sliced bread?
Now I know why Dave has been quiet. He's been searching for a month frantically trying to find an article that portrays US health care in the same light as his own media portrays the NHS
She said "It's completely free Um, comes out of tax dollars"
Where does "free" and "tax dollars" get separated?
See, here in the USA, our new law requires people buy insurance. If they don't they get a penalty on their taxes. So they will still have no insurance.
Ytal: This just in: Daily Mail: Total stranger delivered my baby on chair in hospital waiting room - because there were no beds or staff. The yearly cost of medical malpractice in the United States is $55.6 billion, accounting for 2.4 percent of health care expenditure, a study by Harvard University reveals. Enough said. ". You can have that one on me.
DAVE: THIS JUST IN - Another NHS debacle - You really need to come up with some USA reports showing problems like this if you can - Its the only way you can keep up buddy. READ ON
DAVE: This just in: Doing my taxes and reporting my charitable contributions of $1801.25. Charities include: Bill Lancaster medical fund Cancer fund of America American Diabetes association Gillette Children's Hospital Lupus Foundation St Jude Childrens Research Hospital Leukemia & Lymphoma org Courage Center St Josephs Childrens home That's all on top of my own medical insurance contributions. A little low this year compared to last year.
1.) This chick doesn't sound like a Brit, and judging from her teeth I'd say so as well.
2.) I don;t believe for one sec that this chick only talked to 4 people, and we got their uneditted responses.
Basically it's where your priorities lie.
If you don't mind waiting for treatments, and a high tax burden then go there.
However, if you want the most up to date services at your disposal, but pay for insurance and some out of pocket expenses, then you are in the right place in the US
Shocking neglect of the elderly is exposed again today in a damning report that claims the NHS is failing to meet even the most basic standards of care
I assume the person needing gender altering help is paying taxes and needs treatment? Why not, given they are trapped inside a mix matched body and assuming that god who allowed them to be born with the miss match is not going to pay to correct his own mistake. Certainly the UK like all advanced countries allow women to choose what happens to their own bodies. Only the rich can afford abortions in the US. Question, who gave you the right to judge what women do with there bodies? Night ,night
@ytalanwms You do not explain an investigation is still going on and that accidents and tragic errors will happen anywhere.The yearly cost of medical malpractice in the United States is $55.6 billion, accounting for 2.4 percent of health care expenditure, a study by Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston reveals. Enough said. If you must keep scanning the Daily Mail for stories we could both end up in the loony bin but the stay would cost me nothing you would be ruined.
@ytalanwmsSo "You assume the patient pays taxes? Statistically, the people gaining abortions in the UK are not working dolites and welfare recipients". Will if "Statistically" they are not "working dolites and welfare recipients" they must be working and so paying taxes so contributing to the NHS. There choice.
If you pay NHS tax, then you fuel the abortions that are performed on the NHS. Regardless of your belief, you have no choice - pay your money and the NHS will perform state paid abortion with your money.
I would guess there are a few people in the UK who don't subscribe to the idea that abortion is correct. You need to move if you want to stop funding it.
@Morgena1 Regarding what you said in the personnel message. If I understand what you are saying. You're a German student studying in England, you have server asthma, subject to frequent Anaphylactic shock you believe you have Dysbiosis which is a rare even unrecognised medical condition. I assume you had these medical problems before you came to the UK? If you had such serious health problems why did you not investigate what was available to you in the UK before moving here?
This just in: NHS won't provide health care to fat man, so he's going on a diet to get fatter.. Private health care doesn't discriminate. This man might die! what then Dave?
That man had a choice. If he saved both fingers, he would have had a bill to pay. $72k at 5% loan is $300 per month. This is still "MOORE" that you pay for NHS. Yes, it is, it's "$72k at 5% loan is $300 per month" more to be exact.
@davijeph You pay - We pay - Difference? We have private care - you have Cameron Care. Your taxes pay for others who can't afford - Our taxes pay for those who can't afford.
@ytalanwms So it is quite possible for a US citizen to be financially ruined because of medical charges caused by a criminal attack. You could have saved a lot of time if only you had the courage to be honest. Your system creates bankruptcies. UHC's do not. Now just admit you are not 54 we will call it quits you really are to stupid to keep talking to. In fact you can have the last go, just for old time sake so make it a goodun
USA comes up with technology to save millions. There is profit in those ideas over here.
People here go to university so they can go into business in the medical trade and make huge profits. So lets see? People profit, other peoples lives get saved, and the tax payer is not burdened. THREE WAY WIN!
@ytalanwms Just wait till you lose your job and lose your healthcare. Of course you're welcome to pay 500 dollars a month for a single person and 4 times that for a family which is what I pay btw. The for profit health care industry, ie insurance industry, is ruining the US. Of course I'm lucky, I have no preexisting conditions. If I did I would be unable to buy healthcare at such a "cheap" price. 40 million uninsured merely pass on their costs to the rest of us with emergency room bills.
@Darrylizer1 That's the point. We have free health care - Except it is not as expensive as the UK even with the leaches. My insurance for my family is not paid for by a company. I pay my own at $500 per month (about the same as the NHS coast for a single person). I run my own business and understand health care costs. My deductable is $5k. I am still better off than NHS robbery.
NHS IS insurance and it is ruining the UK - Only difference is freedom of choice and better private care.
@ytalanwms Do you really understand healthcare costs? Per capita spending on health US 6719- UK 2815. Doctors per 10,000 pop US 26- UK 23. Nurses and midwives per 10,000 pop US 94- UK 128. Hospital beds per 10,000 pop US 31- UK 39. Life expectancy at birth US 78- UK 80.
On top of your $500 a month for limited health care you pay tax that’s supports Medicaid and Medicare.
@davijeph Do you really understand that Americans per capita earnings are way higher than UK earners so your numbers are not relevant. If I earned a million per year and my health costs were 10 times yours - it would be mute - So earnings have to be considered.
Do you really understand that you just announced to everyone hat Medicaid and Medicare are free health care support after telling me that Americans die for lack of care insurance.
@ytalanwms. US GDP (PPP) per capita $46,000, UK GDP (PPP) $36,000 Approx. So by your own figures relative to each other a UK citizen spends far less on healthcare than his US cousin yet overall gets much better service and value for it. We do not payout for copay, deductibles. pre-existing conditions we do not live under the fear of medical cost bankruptcy. Nearly 45,000 people die in US each year because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Uni (not me) UK 18 US 37.
@davijeph Hear that echo again. Your numbers are wrong. Comparing the NHS with our private care is like comparing a tug boat with the love boat.
People who get free health care don't have any money, so they have nothing to go bankrupt over. As stated before - Bankrupt action is a legal maneuver to waive costs for those who can't pay.
I'm glad you are happy with your never ending NHS tax deduction and the wonderful service you get (NOT)
@ytalanwms Before we continue can I just ask a simple question? I am not trying to be insulting or rude but just for my own interest and just between you and me (i cannot believe anybody else is interested in this crap) are you taking any kind of illegal drug? It should be easy enough for you to understand and a simple yes or no answer will do. Regards
@ytalanwms It was not a personnel attack but when you all you can say is "Your numbers are wrong," when they come from valid sources like your top ranking academic centre Harvard Uni. You choose to simply deny or ignore the evidence from highly qualified unbiased institutions their can be no "battle". Typical Libertarian thinking if the facts do not match the theory stick with the theory. If you are not willing to except facts then you are not able to acquire truth, your problem not mine.
@davijeph Of course I don't agree that the liberal Harvard institute is correct in their findings. Just like the East Anglia highly qualified global warming scientists. These are People we are taking about who can sway numbers any way they wish in order to benefit, and aid in the creation of the lib dem agenda.
Again: you keep your wonderful NHS and I will keep my private heath care.
"Be aware" I know what you say, I bet TheFireHorseUK is really scared of that one. Name calling you called me “an old fart” remember you piece of shit. Given you must be 54 years old I find your comment strange given you have the mental age of a 12 year old. Now for the tenth time of asking, who pays for the medical costs of US citizens if they are injured in a criminal attack and is it possible for the innocent victim to go bankrupt because of medical chares?
@davijeph OK here is the answer: Private medical institutions pay for criminal injury if they they have no insurance - If they have insurance, the insurance company pays. If the attack occurs on private property such as the Mall of America, the Mall insurance pays. If the attack uses a vehicle with insurance, then the vehicle insurance pays.
Innocent victims who go bankrupt typically can't pay their bills, so they have nothing to lose. As stated before bankrupsy is a legal waiver of bills.
@ytalanwms So behind all the crap in your answer what you are saying an Innocent victim can go bankrupt if they cannot pay there medical bills. If a husband walking down a street is stabbed in the liver he recovers but will need life time dialysis or transplant the medical insurance will only pay for so much treatment after that the family is on their own. They have to sell their home to pay the bills and go bankrupt, then hopefully he gets free aid,maybe? You really are some kind of cunt.
@davijeph The NHS solution is for the whole country to be bankrupt, as you all are, that way everyone gets "free" health care. I suppose you could look at it that way. You poor people are paying for all the immigrants and lazy dole people who can work but don't.
We don't have problems with stabbings. We use guns and the result is such that medical treatment is not required. Stabbings only occur in the UK where guns are banned and people cant protect themselves. Another Libdem creation.
@ytalanwms Are you really suggesting that an increase in guns helps prevent crime? A woman from the NRA gave a lecture on why guns were good and she said she knew someone threatened with a knife in UK but if guns were legal then the situation would have been different. Well first of all, she would have been threatened with a gun. Get to the core of the issue and stop it there via education, Violence only begets more violence, maybe why there are around 100,000 gun shot wounds annually in the US.
@JackHillcox I absolutely know that guns prevent crime. Just study Texas for instance - Lowest crime with gun toting citizens. Then look at Washington DC where guns were banned - Highest crime rate in the nation. See criminals like to go where people can't protect themselves. When you remove the ability of a law abiding citizen to have guns, then you make a criminals job easy.
Are you suggesting that a ban on guns prevents criminals from getting and using guns?
@JackHillcox well as much education if you give there will always be crime around...there are many conditions to prevent crime like a good economy,justice between all socities members, education etc...but criminals dont care if guns are legal or not they will get one and threaten you,the bad think is that you wont be able to protect yourself and everyone knows that police is always late so i think the american friend here speaks the truth!!or should i say just a thought...
it's free but it's rubbish..
mrrrxxxxx 6 months ago
These posts are real situations. Not Dave statistics.
ytalanwms 7 months ago
This just in - 100% of UK "subjects" have to accept another one bites the dust due to inadequate NHS:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000824/The-ultimate-indignity-Body-hospital-patient-left-die-corridor-ignored-hours--staff-simply-drag-away.html
ytalanwms 7 months ago
See "I hate american health care" "ytalanwms" rejects Academic, anecdotal, journalistic evidence Rejects the fact it is the US systems where people are crying out for change, reject that even own Government has agreed change the present US system. 83% UK citizens support the NHS it cannot be that bad if 83% and must included a lot of rich and middle class people support it. I excepted from the beginning that the NHS is not perfect but is still rated at 18 higher than the US at 37.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph People who cry out for change, don't know what change is and that government run anything is bad. Although, they do, now, understand Obama change - High gas prices, depressed housing market, highest debt ever, Highest foreclosures ever, increasing unemployment at 9.1% - Yes liberal change is definitely with us for another 18 months until his sorry ass is kicked out.
ytalanwms 7 months ago
@davijeph 80% of communist Russians support Communism - they think it's great and would never change to the Brit system - See, they don't know because they have never experienced it. So statistics from people are not indicative of the benefits of a system
ytalanwms 7 months ago
@ytalanwms . "So statistics from people are not indicative of the benefits of a system".Therefore by your own values any statistics you put out are meaningless and your experiences in the US or UK (if you ever in fact used it) are both pointless.You really do like shooting yourself in the foot possible because aiming for your brain would be to small a target. Sod of you mindless imbecile. That really is it, I give you the last pop please feel free to use "statistics"? from the Daily Heil
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph Poor Dave - Always turns to abuse when he's losing. Anyway, enough of him - This next article shows how really wonderful the NHS is:
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2005801/Rebecca-Cain-26-died-DVT-NHS-walk-nurse-diagnosed-muscular-pain.html
ytalanwms 7 months ago
@davijeph Dave: You really should slow down when you're mad. Your statements "aiming for you brain would be to small a target" should really read "aiming for your brain would be TOO small a target"
You really did miss out on education at school didn't you!
By the way, I would put my brain up against yours any day of the week.
ytalanwms 7 months ago
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davijeph 7 months ago
@ytalanwms Some GOOD news from the Daily Mail. This UK Kid had a very successful operation but it cost his family about 45,000 pounds. That's because he couldn't get his problem resolved with the lack of NHS ability - He came over here to the USA for private health care. See Dave, there IS a God!
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2006128/Boy-cerebral-palsy-walks-time-45-000-operation-U-S.html
ytalanwms 7 months ago
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davijeph 8 months ago
This just in: Dying brits due to lack of expertise in the NHS:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392033/Hundreds-babies-dying-unnecessarily-hospital-staff-arent-trained-use-equipment.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
This just in - NHS is apparently planning on spending EVEN LESS PER CAPITA on health care with more cut backs - Dave the Ditto Dude is right - UK spends way less on health care than the USA. Doh!
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391822/Banks-siege-anti-cuts-protesters-rally-support-NHS.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
This just in: 4 years to get a scan - At least it saved money so that the NHS can claim to spend less on health care than USA:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390849/Mother-killed-blood-clot-weeks-GP-told-Dont-worry-wont-drop-dead.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
By Susan Heavey
WASHINGTON | Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:11pm EDT
(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
davijeph 8 months ago
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@davijeph Dave, I was looking for an example - not a statistic.
Like this one: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392033/Hundreds-babies-dying-unnecessarily-hospital-staff-arent-trained-use-equipment.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
There you go again, just like a parrot. We spend more on health care because we provide more services. NHS spends less and cuts back to save money.
Just like the money spent here:
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387615/Radiologist-wrongly-gave-61-women-clear-cancer-paid-200-000-whilst-work.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
For today’s CEO’s pay just add say 25% to the figures below. If private medicine is so good in the US why do they need Medicare Medicaid and why do 60% of bankruptcies in US involve medical cost. Why do 45000 US citizens die every year because they do not get the correct treatment for having lack of medical insurance? Why does the US spend twice the amount of other countries on healthcare yet rated 37th in the WHO health report yet the NHS is rated 17 and at half the cost compared to the US
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph You can't even cite any article showing a US citizen who died because of lack of insurance - Reason? In the USA, you don't need insurance to obtain health care. It's the law.
ytalanwms 8 months ago
This just in: USA attempt at free health care going bust or Bankrupt as Dave likes to say. Dave: This is half way through 2011 - Your numbers are way old. Get with it would ya!
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386911/Medicare-fund-run-years-earlier-projected.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation
Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212
davijeph 8 months ago
This just in - Finally figured out why UK health care costs so much:
dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1385596/The-army-overpaid-managers-proof-reform-NHS-needed.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
This just in: Another lie from the Daily Mail - One of these day,s I'm going to chance across one of these articles that could possibly be the truth.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386288/Family-man-died-thirst-told-horse-water-make-drink.html
ytalanwms 8 months ago
"Some one should ask ytalanwms"
Someone should has 'ytalanwms' if constantly reading and quoting the Daily Mail is good for his health.
Talkathonic 8 months ago
@Talkathonic It's ok if reading the Daily Mail is bad for my heath - I have private health care which is accessible...er.... about.... er 2 seconds from now. I won't have to wait 18 weeks.
ytalanwms 8 months ago
Some one should ask ytalanwms if private medicine is so good in the US why do they need medicare/medicaid and why do 60% of bankruptcies in the US involve medical cost and why do 45000 US citizens die every year because they do not get the correct treatment for having lack of medical insurance and why does the US spends twice the amount of other countries on healthcare yet can only get rated number 37 in the WHO health report yet the evil NHS was rated 17 and at half the cost compared to the US
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph Dave's answers are always the same - He has the explainations for these but harps on the same old same old.
He gives me the opportunity to again explain that we have free "PRIVATE" care for the uninsured. that free stuff, like the NHS is going broke. Going broke for someone who has no money is not an issue - It simply excuses the bill.
Dave should let everyone know how many people in the UK die due to lack of care - Just like in the latest article. Thanks Dave for the opportunity.
ytalanwms 8 months ago
@ytalanwms Ins. Co. & CEO With 2007 Total CEO Compensation
Aetna Ronald A. Williams: $23,045,834
Cigna H. Edward Hanway: $25,839,777
Coventry Dale B. Wolf : $14,869,823
Health Net Jay M. Gellert: $3,686,230
Humana Michael McCallister: $10,312,557
U.Health Grp Stephen J. Hemsley: $13,164,529
WellPoint Angela Braly (2007): $9,094,271
L. Glasscock (2006): $23,886,169
davijeph 8 months ago
I kind of agree - However with the amount of NHS reports I see - I have to believe some of them are true - Surely someone would be sued for blatant lying... Besides, I have first hand experience with the NHS - It's not nice. I have had first hand experience with our private health care - It's very nice.
I also have to ask - If the NHS was so wonderful, how come there are private health services in the UK? -
ytalanwms 9 months ago
This just in: Ironic NHS director dies waiting for health care in her own hospital. It never ends folks:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms And look at those teeth! Fine health care indeed. You would think a hospital director would at least have the teeth taken care of by the wonderful health care services in the UK.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms quoting the dailymail is like quoting Fox news in America...all made up of paranoid lies
tiddlywinks98712 9 months ago
This just in: NHS charges for dental causes denial of care for those who can't afford it.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369753/One-hard-dentist.html
ytalanwms 10 months ago
This just in: Doctors can't speak english - I'm sure they are great at something though. How did NHS workers hire these people?
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1368380/Hospital-bosses-admit-doctors-speak-understand-English.html
ytalanwms 10 months ago
Dave wants me to look at the information from the BBC regarding the NHS government care.
The BBC is paid for by the government - I'm not sure it I can get a subjective report card from the BBC that slams the NHS. They paint a picture for the BBC because the BBC provides their cash.
Dave doesn't like the Daily Mail - They say bad things about the NHS
Dave doesn't like me - I say bad things about the NHS.
Dave loves the liberal news - They say nice things about the NHS.
Get the picture?
ytalanwms 10 months ago
Health care should be free for everyone, period. It's not fair for someone to have to choose between emptying their bank account or death. I bet most of the people who are so opposed to free health care don't have to deal with medical bills on a regular basis.
lucas5665 10 months ago
@lucas5665 There is no such thing as FREE. Someone has to pay. In your case - it's the deduction on your pay for NHS withholding.
In the case of the USA - the individual pays into a private insurance - just like you pay for your car insurance.
In the UK - care is provided for everyone - even though some people who are not working have not paid - it's the law.
In the USA, care is provided for everyone - even though they might not have paid for insurance - its the law
ytalanwms 10 months ago
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lucas5665 10 months ago
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davijeph has replied to your comment on What Londoners Think of the NHS:
@ytalanwms Try BBC news click on health, oh sorry you will not believe the BBC it's left wing and the academic the produced it is is a commie. Who made up your report Glenn Becks Butler. You poor sad mad bastard.
He's mad because I have highlighted the inefficiencies of the NHS
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms Shame about the grammar and miss spellings again. He's lazy - won't even use the spell checker, although that technology won't fix his poor grammar.
Again, people start name calling when their uneducated minds don't have any more answers.
I'm ok with those of you who want Cameron care. I'm happy with my private care, which is a delight to experience. You should try it one day.
It's less of a delight for those poor people. My analogy would be "It's like the NHS" when you don't pay.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
Epidemiologist and population health expert Professor David Leon, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, concluded that in the last five years, most European countries have been going in a "positive direction" for the first time in decades. He added deaths from cardiovascular disease in the UK had seen "some of the largest and most rapid falls of any Western European country,
davijeph 10 months ago
This just in:
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1366801/Premature-Mothers-22-week-old-son-dies-arms-doctors-refuse-treat-revival-policy.html
Litigation might have saved this baby.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
It's impossible to win an argument that involves government supplying a product to the masses. They're crap at everything else, and the NHS is no different.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms What no response to Stephen Hawkins? Given that your (if he existed) dead brother was able to survive the full maximum term expected for the rare incurable cancer he had contracted and the cost had not finically ruined him or his family which is what would have so easily happened under the barbaric US system that also manages to waste over a trillion dollars year I fail to understand why you feel you must comment about a system you do not contribute you are a very sad ignorant man
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph Guy is clueless. He's on a soapbox about a talking point that he heard on Glenn Beck. Not to mention he's a rude asshole.
Briterican001 10 months ago
@davijeph Like I say - You keep your wonderful government care, and I will keep my private care. Make you happy?
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@davijeph I believe the cost burden was on the Government of the UK. Course, it could have been private in which case your sorry standard of living would not have been affected.
I await your response about the standard of living for bankrupt people - Who have no money in the first place - hence no change in their life style.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms You never did get the about point about US citizens going bankrupt because of unpayable health costs .
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph DOn't need to - Educated people will understand that people who cant pay don't get hurt due to bankruptcy. Educated people understand that going bankrupt is a legal maneuver in order to remove the requirement to pay a bill.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@davijeph Actually the side bar stories of his trip to death include financial discomfort - not to mention the fact that he was moved from hospital to hospital due to lack of rooms and lack of expertise getting stents into bile ducts and failing.
longevity was due to his unemployed wife looking after her husband - is a nurse - reacted to each temperature spike with antibiotics. Here we install medicated stents. There you install non-medicated stents due to cost.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms HIs wife saved his life, see that's the quality of a NHS trained nurse. What ever they use it obviously kept him alive the full expected term of his illness and it did not bankrupt him or his family. Get over it you sad man and grow up. You are to old at fifty-four to keep wasting your time on this crap and having that kind of chip on your shoulder. You hate the NHS OK I can live with that you will never have to use it and I will never have to fear going bankrupt over health costs.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph You assume his wife was an NHS trained nurse. Actually she was born in Malta. I don't state that the hired hands are no good. Hired hands in the control of the government are tied hands.
I'm glad to see you're mad at me. The truth tends to make people mad. You need to get over your hard on with the NHS, sit back and accept the fact that you are in a dead end situation.
By the way, you should study up on your English - It's - You are TOO old at Fifty. You have to use 2 Oh's.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms "The truth tends to make people mad." So given you think you are telling the truth and me the lies by your own admission you must be the mad one. What's a o between friends.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph If I go into A and E should I be treated for a broken thumb first because I have the money, or should a more serious case be dealt with first. Why should a child from a low income family that has yet to experience the world be denied the medicine that could potentially save his life. While a 90 year old billionaire extends his life by another couple of years simply because he has the money. Is it okay your fellow countrymen die even though you have the facilities to save them?
Droberts691 10 months ago
@Droberts691 meant to be a response to @ytalanwms
Droberts691 10 months ago
@davijeph Have you been drinking beer? Oh yes, it's St Patrics day. An "O" between friends is an indication that you are an expert on the NHS but you never studied in school long enough to be able to write without grammatical errors.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms Meanwhile, the US was at the same level as the lowest of any Western European country (Portugal for males and Denmark for females), despite spending more per capita on health care than any other country in the world, with the rate for women increasing at a much slower pace than Western Europe.
In 2007, average life expectancy in the US was 78 years compared to 80 in the UK. I've never claimed to be a NHS expert admit to a poor education but lack of o's or not still have beaten you.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph Don't know where you got your details from so here is something I found:
Meanwhile, the USA health care was found to be not only the best quality, but the most cost effective when comparing it to Europe countries. The findings included high costs for government administration costs.
In 2007, average life expectancy was 86 years compared to 82 in the UK and other European countries.
That seems to have tied your findings. Send me some more "Oh's" why don't ya.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
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davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph You seem to remove quite a few comments Dave. What's up? When the truth is abound, you don't have to think about the answers - they just flow out.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms The reason I removed it is I now convinced I have been talking to someone who is totally insane.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph So now you can concentrate on all your other blogs trying to bolster and protect the NHS.
You should spend some time on your spelling and grammar - It would make you, at least, look a bit intelligent.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
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davijeph 10 months ago
@ytalanwms Arguing on here is like competing in the Special Olympics, win or lose... you're still a retard. Besides, why should anyone take you seriously? I made a simple comment below and you responded calling me a "titsucker" and a "sorry arse" lol. You're one hateful sumbitch you are.
Briterican001 10 months ago
@Briterican001 There there now. Have some beer and and a smoke knowing that your NHS system will fix you right up.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
I would not be alive without my private health care - Hows that?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms
Monday 07 March 2011
Telegraph.co.uk
Stephen Hawking: I would not be alive without the NHS
Professor Stephen Hawking defended the National Health Service from attacks by the American Right, claiming that he would not be alive without it.
davijeph 11 months ago
The NHS is shit, it's mismanaged for one, people who work in the NHS have an average of 22 sick days a year. It worked in 1944 when is was introduced but now we have opened up all the boarders and let people in who dont deserve to be in the UK, we have not surprisingly found this service suffering. It's out dated. Waiting 9 hours is the last thing i want to do when i cant breathe from the quinces., but i did, i pay my tax but lots of people who dont.
august251976 11 months ago
@august251976 Yes - You paid and you will continue to pay for the service that you get which is awful. Thank you for your courage to speak up.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@august251976 You read the daily mail too much.
Droberts691 10 months ago
@Droberts691 i wouldn't wipe my ass on that rag, thank you very much. I speak form experience, the only three times in my life i have been to hospital - it was ridiculous. St Thomas hospital Vauxhall London - if you want to know
august251976 10 months ago
@Droberts691 Pick another paper and I will present to you the NHS debacle for that paper too.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms I agree with you about the mismanagement and the fact that it could be better. However I don't believe its outdated, far from it. The service has only got better since it was first introduced. The american system wastes many more dollars and uses 16% of their GDP compared to the 8% we pay. The daily mail comment was referring to your point about immigration more than anything else. Immigration is something that is completely overblown by the daily mail. Uses it as a scape goat.
Droberts691 10 months ago
@Droberts691 We spend more because we offer more services. We have no waiting lines, We go overboard with tests. It's OK to spend money on your health - It may not be OK to spend less money. Cut backs on NHS spending would drop your 8% - Is that better? No, it just means you are spending less.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms It is okay to spend money on your health and yes the American system has some benefits. But while you have no waiting lines and more tests 45 million Americans have no cover. While on the NHS everyone is treated. Your health care is also controlled by insurance companies constantly looking for loopholes not to treat you. I know I prefer a service that treats me as a human that needs care and not a statistic to extort money from. Health care for the masses rather than for the elite.
Droberts691 10 months ago
@Droberts691 No so fast buddy. ALL AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. Make no mistake about that. It is the law. Everyone must be treated regardless of ability to pay. General misconception: To quote:
Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay.
You should google it.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@Droberts691 Also: Those 45,000 (and I believe the number to be true) elected not to seek medical attention. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a number in the UK showing the people who died due to no seeking medical attention.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms Its 45 million and it's not down to them not seeking medical care it is the fact some people can't afford it. Yes I'm sure there would be a number of people in the UK that died because they didn't go to the hospital, however that hospital wouldn't have turned them away under any circumstances. That is why our system is progressive, the rich pay more in their taxes where as the poor pay a smaller amount. Just because the poor cannot pay does not mean they deserve no medical care.
Droberts691 10 months ago
@Droberts691 Don't you understand that people who cant afford health care get free health care by private hospitals because the law in the USA requires it? What part of "free" don't you understand?
Let me repeat:
People who can't afford insurance HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE IN THE USA. In fact, people who CAN afford health insurance who elect not to purchase, get free care.
If that is true (and it certainly is) then the people who die due to lack of health care did not seek the required care.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@Droberts691 Dave: Is this you? Did you setup a surrogate?
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms erm..... what?
Droberts691 10 months ago
Just like the Arabs who believe their way of life is the only way and the best- NHS recipients are also misguided. I have lived both systems.
I will live in my heaven void of government care, and you can live in your heaven of NHS.
Medicine in the USA costs are zero for those who can't afford it.
Surgery, therapy et al is also free for those who can't afford it.
Your note is weak - no reference - and it does not pass the smell test.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
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tom1984uk 11 months ago
@ytalanwms "Medicine in the USA costs are zero for those who can't afford it." - is that so? Why then did an important prescription medicine I needed cost over $100 a month when I lived there? When I said I couldn't afford it the response was "well you'd better find additional sources of income". I pay £7.40 a month now (that's about $5 a month). The NHS is far from perfect, but it has saved me tonnes of money.
Briterican001 11 months ago
@Briterican001 Your response was from the hospital admin - You should have gone to the government and talked to them (unless you were not a citizen). See talking to the government gets tit suckers like you the nourishment you need.
I prefer you stay in the UK, and pay the rest of your life for the wonderful service you get.
$100 per month is 16 hours of work at Macdonalds flipping hamburgers on minimum wage - You won't do that but you expect doctors to work for free to save your sorry arse
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms Haha :) thanks for the laugh, tit suckers? Wow man. I tell you what, these forums are top loaded with assholes. I make a comment that includes no insults but merely a point and a question... and I get called a tit sucker and a sorry arse. Hateful asshole! LOL - I hope you die of AIDS you filthy piece of shit.
Briterican001 10 months ago
@Briterican001 The comment was more for me - I was laughing while I was writing. Sorry to insult, but the entertainment was worth upsetting you.
Sincerely.
ytalanwms 10 months ago
@ytalanwms Correction, I got my maths backwards...£7.40 a month is about $12 a month.
Briterican001 11 months ago
" I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he said. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived." Prof Stephen Hawkins.amount. I'm saying some people are getting the correct amount of compensation for US medical errors and even rich Americans can go bankrupt because of the twisted system you support. £7.40 each prescription how much does medicine cost in the US and can all US citizens afford to pay the costs?
davijeph 11 months ago
THIS JUST IN: THE COST OF UK PRESCRIPTIONS RISE"
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1362878/Prescription-charges-rise-7-20-7-40-England--Scotland-medicines-free.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
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"2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases" no matter how you twist it it must mean thousands of US citizen successfully sue the medical operators in the US for errors caused by a variety of reasons. No health care system can be perfect and the NHS is no exception what the Daily Mail chooses not to print very often are the overwhelming amount of successful things the NHS does but then the D.M did support Adolf Hitler until just before the start of WWII.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph So what you are really saying is that some people are getting rich due to law suits - while others are getting poor due to bankrupsy.
Poor people are already poor - if they go bankrupt, they lose nothing except the requirement to pay the bill.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@davijeph You should be able to post some of the great NHS success stories and do everyone a favor - Cos the way it looks right now, it's a shambles.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
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tom1984uk 11 months ago
Perhaps, but that would mean I would have to have spent time looking but having easily found the statement "that 2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases" is more than sufficient evidence to prove that errors, cock-ups and stupidities are rampant within the US overpriced system.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph I don't spend any time looking - every time I open up the media from UK, I see the NHS debacle of the week. You however can't find a darn thing can you?
Mal practice suits keep people in check - The UK are also experiencing their fare share of malpractice suits against the NHS
Again, our costs might be more, but then again, we earn way more so your analysis is flawed. - Just like me getting a transmission replaced for $10,000. If I earn a million, the cost is not relevant .
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@davijeph NHS Debacle of the week - just in:
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1362650/Whistle-blowing-heart-doctor-sacked-NINE-years-suspended.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
I'm sure if Dave could find damning media details regarding the US health care system, he would have posted them by now.
Come on Dave - Come on just one?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
I have not been looking for individual cases in the US. The fact that 2.4% of the massive US health budget is spent on paying for malpractice cases should be enough to show that US medical care can be just as flawed as the NHS if not more so. Sorry, I have not been searching frantically for anything. The Romford case was first reported on the BBC just assumed that the Daily Mail would report it also and it did
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph You should have been a politician Dave. This just in: Short staffed hospital causes death of 3 year old girl
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361810/Swine-flu-Lana-Ameen-3-died-virus-Stockport-hospital.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms Sourcing an anti-NHS argument with articles from the Daily Mail is akin to writing an essay on the failings of civil rights groups and using the KKK's official website for references. You're damaging whatever points you might be trying to make be even thinking that rag is an appropriate point of discussion for a supposedly intellectual debate.
ieyeTunes 11 months ago
@ieyeTunes So really, all the stuff in the Daily mail is utter lies - they are simply anti NHS and the NHS is really the best thing since sliced bread?
I'm not convinced.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
Now I know why Dave has been quiet. He's been searching for a month frantically trying to find an article that portrays US health care in the same light as his own media portrays the NHS
ytalanwms 11 months ago
She said "It's completely free Um, comes out of tax dollars"
Where does "free" and "tax dollars" get separated?
See, here in the USA, our new law requires people buy insurance. If they don't they get a penalty on their taxes. So they will still have no insurance.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
This just in: NHS Failures
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361216/Dignity-elderly-NHS-failures-deny-patients-right-die-home.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
This just in: Glad you found one.
1 in 4 cancer cases missed: GPs send away alarming number of patients, delaying vital treatment - Dave's super efficient NHS
Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361269/GPs-send-away-alarming-number-cancer-patients-delaying-vital-treatment
ytalanwms 11 months ago
Ytal: This just in: Daily Mail: Total stranger delivered my baby on chair in hospital waiting room - because there were no beds or staff. The yearly cost of medical malpractice in the United States is $55.6 billion, accounting for 2.4 percent of health care expenditure, a study by Harvard University reveals. Enough said. ". You can have that one on me.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph What Dave! No reference?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@davijeph This was the QUEENS HOSPITAL IN ROMFORD UK you clown.
Can't you find ANYTHING in the USA ?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
Dave: This just in:
NHS trying to cut costs causes little girl to be denied treatment that would save her eyesight.
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1359861/Birthmark-toddler-refused-laser-treatment-save-eyesight-cost-cutting-NHS-Trust.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
DAVE: THIS JUST IN - Another NHS debacle - You really need to come up with some USA reports showing problems like this if you can - Its the only way you can keep up buddy. READ ON
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1359549/Hospital-treatment-branded-disgrace-patient-weeping-wound-sent-90mile-trip-mini-cab-save-NHS-Trust-money.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
ytalanwms 11 months ago
1.) This chick doesn't sound like a Brit, and judging from her teeth I'd say so as well.
2.) I don;t believe for one sec that this chick only talked to 4 people, and we got their uneditted responses.
Basically it's where your priorities lie.
If you don't mind waiting for treatments, and a high tax burden then go there.
However, if you want the most up to date services at your disposal, but pay for insurance and some out of pocket expenses, then you are in the right place in the US
EchoMike03 11 months ago
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davijeph 11 months ago
This just in:
Shocking neglect of the elderly is exposed again today in a damning report that claims the NHS is failing to meet even the most basic standards of care
Dave should be able to debunk this report too.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1357087/Exposed-Neglect-elderly-wards-shame.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
Dave: Your notes keep being flagged as SPAM. Is that "Specially Priced American Meat"?
You, my friend, reside in the Looney bin. Taxed to death and your government system hopes you die before they have to give you your subsistence
ytalanwms 11 months ago
I assume the person needing gender altering help is paying taxes and needs treatment? Why not, given they are trapped inside a mix matched body and assuming that god who allowed them to be born with the miss match is not going to pay to correct his own mistake. Certainly the UK like all advanced countries allow women to choose what happens to their own bodies. Only the rich can afford abortions in the US. Question, who gave you the right to judge what women do with there bodies? Night ,night
davijeph 11 months ago
This just in:
Super efficient NHS system kills patient who couldn't get service.: I would love to see a story from the USA like this - Come on - just once.
Nite nite
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356850/Liverpool-University-student-lay-dying-yards-hospital-gates-receptionist-told-friend-ring-ambulance.html
ytalanwms 11 months ago
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davijeph 11 months ago
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@ytalanwms You do not explain an investigation is still going on and that accidents and tragic errors will happen anywhere.The yearly cost of medical malpractice in the United States is $55.6 billion, accounting for 2.4 percent of health care expenditure, a study by Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston reveals. Enough said. If you must keep scanning the Daily Mail for stories we could both end up in the loony bin but the stay would cost me nothing you would be ruined.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph I don;t have any right to tell any female what to do. People should have a right however to chose not to pay for someone else's abortion.
You assume the patient pays taxes? Statistically, the people gaining abortions in the UK are not working dolites and welfare recipients.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
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@ytalanwmsSo "You assume the patient pays taxes? Statistically, the people gaining abortions in the UK are not working dolites and welfare recipients". Will if "Statistically" they are not "working dolites and welfare recipients" they must be working and so paying taxes so contributing to the NHS. There choice.
davijeph 11 months ago
Your NHS taxes also pay for sex change operations on the NHS. I suppose that keeps people healthy.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
If you pay NHS tax, then you fuel the abortions that are performed on the NHS. Regardless of your belief, you have no choice - pay your money and the NHS will perform state paid abortion with your money.
I would guess there are a few people in the UK who don't subscribe to the idea that abortion is correct. You need to move if you want to stop funding it.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
For those who are willing to think and need unbiased knowledge about the US health care please see "The U.S. Healthcare System in International ".
davijeph 11 months ago
Maybe the NHS in London could be better that in the North things are much worst but nobody down in London wants to know about it.
Morgena1 11 months ago
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davijeph 11 months ago
@Morgena1 Regarding what you said in the personnel message. If I understand what you are saying. You're a German student studying in England, you have server asthma, subject to frequent Anaphylactic shock you believe you have Dysbiosis which is a rare even unrecognised medical condition. I assume you had these medical problems before you came to the UK? If you had such serious health problems why did you not investigate what was available to you in the UK before moving here?
davijeph 11 months ago
Yes
davijeph 1 year ago
Actually,the internet belongs to the Lords of Protocol
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Hey! There's Dave. Welcome back Dave. Since there are multiple protocols available, are there many Lords?
ytalanwms 1 year ago
Actually, the internet belongs to Al Gore
ytalanwms 1 year ago
This just in: Super efficient (according to Dave) NHS wasteful spending.
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1352598/NHS-wasting-500m-year-paying-odds-medical-supplies.html
ytalanwms 1 year ago
This just in:
Florida Judge rules the government health care unconstitutional! There is a God!
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Yes and he fucking hates us.
Darrylizer1 11 months ago
This Just in:
NHS almost going private to China!
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351867/Fertility-doctor-paid-630-000-treat-NHS-backlog-sets-clinic--China.html
ytalanwms 1 year ago
Where is Dave? Is he in line at the NHS?
ytalanwms 1 year ago
This just in: NHS won't provide health care to fat man, so he's going on a diet to get fatter.. Private health care doesn't discriminate. This man might die! what then Dave?
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1350666/Gastric-bypass-Obese-man-trying-GAIN-weight-qualify-weight-loss-surgery.html
ytalanwms 1 year ago
What? No Dave response? Is he OK? Someone call the NHS he might have been the victim of a crime.
If you call the NHS now, he may be helped within the week.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
To understand the comparable UHC health systems with the US system please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
davijeph 1 year ago
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That man had a choice. If he saved both fingers, he would have had a bill to pay. $72k at 5% loan is $300 per month. This is still "MOORE" that you pay for NHS. Yes, it is, it's "$72k at 5% loan is $300 per month" more to be exact.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph You pay - We pay - Difference? We have private care - you have Cameron Care. Your taxes pay for others who can't afford - Our taxes pay for those who can't afford.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms So it is quite possible for a US citizen to be financially ruined because of medical charges caused by a criminal attack. You could have saved a lot of time if only you had the courage to be honest. Your system creates bankruptcies. UHC's do not. Now just admit you are not 54 we will call it quits you really are to stupid to keep talking to. In fact you can have the last go, just for old time sake so make it a goodun
davijeph 1 year ago
USA comes up with technology to save millions. There is profit in those ideas over here.
People here go to university so they can go into business in the medical trade and make huge profits. So lets see? People profit, other peoples lives get saved, and the tax payer is not burdened. THREE WAY WIN!
Read on my friend.
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1352956/DIY-veins-transform-heart-surgery-help-kidney-patients.html
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Get off my internets
scottward12 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Just wait till you lose your job and lose your healthcare. Of course you're welcome to pay 500 dollars a month for a single person and 4 times that for a family which is what I pay btw. The for profit health care industry, ie insurance industry, is ruining the US. Of course I'm lucky, I have no preexisting conditions. If I did I would be unable to buy healthcare at such a "cheap" price. 40 million uninsured merely pass on their costs to the rest of us with emergency room bills.
Darrylizer1 11 months ago
@Darrylizer1 That's the point. We have free health care - Except it is not as expensive as the UK even with the leaches. My insurance for my family is not paid for by a company. I pay my own at $500 per month (about the same as the NHS coast for a single person). I run my own business and understand health care costs. My deductable is $5k. I am still better off than NHS robbery.
NHS IS insurance and it is ruining the UK - Only difference is freedom of choice and better private care.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms Do you really understand healthcare costs? Per capita spending on health US 6719- UK 2815. Doctors per 10,000 pop US 26- UK 23. Nurses and midwives per 10,000 pop US 94- UK 128. Hospital beds per 10,000 pop US 31- UK 39. Life expectancy at birth US 78- UK 80.
On top of your $500 a month for limited health care you pay tax that’s supports Medicaid and Medicare.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph Do you really understand that Americans per capita earnings are way higher than UK earners so your numbers are not relevant. If I earned a million per year and my health costs were 10 times yours - it would be mute - So earnings have to be considered.
Do you really understand that you just announced to everyone hat Medicaid and Medicare are free health care support after telling me that Americans die for lack of care insurance.
I thought you might be in the NHS waiting line?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms. US GDP (PPP) per capita $46,000, UK GDP (PPP) $36,000 Approx. So by your own figures relative to each other a UK citizen spends far less on healthcare than his US cousin yet overall gets much better service and value for it. We do not payout for copay, deductibles. pre-existing conditions we do not live under the fear of medical cost bankruptcy. Nearly 45,000 people die in US each year because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Uni (not me) UK 18 US 37.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph Hear that echo again. Your numbers are wrong. Comparing the NHS with our private care is like comparing a tug boat with the love boat.
People who get free health care don't have any money, so they have nothing to go bankrupt over. As stated before - Bankrupt action is a legal maneuver to waive costs for those who can't pay.
I'm glad you are happy with your never ending NHS tax deduction and the wonderful service you get (NOT)
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms Before we continue can I just ask a simple question? I am not trying to be insulting or rude but just for my own interest and just between you and me (i cannot believe anybody else is interested in this crap) are you taking any kind of illegal drug? It should be easy enough for you to understand and a simple yes or no answer will do. Regards
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph No drugs today - no drugs ever in the past - Clean as a whistle.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms So you have know excuse then? Regards.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph No excuse for what?
You really have to sink low when you are losing the battle don't you.
Unlike you, I won't lower myself to personal attacks - People do that when they run out of ideas and get mad.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms It was not a personnel attack but when you all you can say is "Your numbers are wrong," when they come from valid sources like your top ranking academic centre Harvard Uni. You choose to simply deny or ignore the evidence from highly qualified unbiased institutions their can be no "battle". Typical Libertarian thinking if the facts do not match the theory stick with the theory. If you are not willing to except facts then you are not able to acquire truth, your problem not mine.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph Of course I don't agree that the liberal Harvard institute is correct in their findings. Just like the East Anglia highly qualified global warming scientists. These are People we are taking about who can sway numbers any way they wish in order to benefit, and aid in the creation of the lib dem agenda.
Again: you keep your wonderful NHS and I will keep my private heath care.
ytalanwms 11 months ago
@ytalanwms OK by me.
davijeph 11 months ago
@davijeph Shouldn't you be in bed?
ytalanwms 11 months ago
"Be aware" I know what you say, I bet TheFireHorseUK is really scared of that one. Name calling you called me “an old fart” remember you piece of shit. Given you must be 54 years old I find your comment strange given you have the mental age of a 12 year old. Now for the tenth time of asking, who pays for the medical costs of US citizens if they are injured in a criminal attack and is it possible for the innocent victim to go bankrupt because of medical chares?
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph OK here is the answer: Private medical institutions pay for criminal injury if they they have no insurance - If they have insurance, the insurance company pays. If the attack occurs on private property such as the Mall of America, the Mall insurance pays. If the attack uses a vehicle with insurance, then the vehicle insurance pays.
Innocent victims who go bankrupt typically can't pay their bills, so they have nothing to lose. As stated before bankrupsy is a legal waiver of bills.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms So behind all the crap in your answer what you are saying an Innocent victim can go bankrupt if they cannot pay there medical bills. If a husband walking down a street is stabbed in the liver he recovers but will need life time dialysis or transplant the medical insurance will only pay for so much treatment after that the family is on their own. They have to sell their home to pay the bills and go bankrupt, then hopefully he gets free aid,maybe? You really are some kind of cunt.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph When did that happen? or are you just dreaming?
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@davijeph The NHS solution is for the whole country to be bankrupt, as you all are, that way everyone gets "free" health care. I suppose you could look at it that way. You poor people are paying for all the immigrants and lazy dole people who can work but don't.
We don't have problems with stabbings. We use guns and the result is such that medical treatment is not required. Stabbings only occur in the UK where guns are banned and people cant protect themselves. Another Libdem creation.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Are you really suggesting that an increase in guns helps prevent crime? A woman from the NRA gave a lecture on why guns were good and she said she knew someone threatened with a knife in UK but if guns were legal then the situation would have been different. Well first of all, she would have been threatened with a gun. Get to the core of the issue and stop it there via education, Violence only begets more violence, maybe why there are around 100,000 gun shot wounds annually in the US.
JackHillcox 1 year ago
@JackHillcox I absolutely know that guns prevent crime. Just study Texas for instance - Lowest crime with gun toting citizens. Then look at Washington DC where guns were banned - Highest crime rate in the nation. See criminals like to go where people can't protect themselves. When you remove the ability of a law abiding citizen to have guns, then you make a criminals job easy.
Are you suggesting that a ban on guns prevents criminals from getting and using guns?
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Is that john stossel??
DoelGr 1 year ago
@JackHillcox well as much education if you give there will always be crime around...there are many conditions to prevent crime like a good economy,justice between all socities members, education etc...but criminals dont care if guns are legal or not they will get one and threaten you,the bad think is that you wont be able to protect yourself and everyone knows that police is always late so i think the american friend here speaks the truth!!or should i say just a thought...
DoelGr 1 year ago
@DoelGr I am a true American friend - And an ex Englishman. The joke over here goes like this: I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
ytalanwms 1 year ago