Does Baji do circle walking too? I've been interested in Bagua lately...and these seem pretty similar to my untrained eyes. What's the difference between Bajiquan and Baguazhang?
@alexdhamp Just about everything :), LYQ practiced Bagua aswell so they were probably doing some 'free form' sparring, while Bagua relies heavily on flowing footwork and whiping motion Baji movements "explode". The footwork is somewhat static like Xing Yi however the secrets to its fearsome power lies in the charging step (where you hear a loud bang), it is not a stamp in itself but it is merely the feet/legs following throughthe movements of your hips turning.
People, have you ever learnt a true skill from a real master ? It feels like if you were going to die, because those are skills to kill someone, you will feel true danger and want to fight back or cover yourselves. Now that's a secret technique.
In my opinion, I think the Baji that been taught to the public is like, if as a fruit, it's only the skin (haha sorry, my english is bad). Because the A true master like Master Liu wouldn't teach the deadly skill to just anyone. He will choose the right student to teach the real secret of Baji and Pigua. It's not like, if you have money, you pay, and He'll teach you everything.
@emanresu81 Then Baji is doomed. I can learn excellent karate or jujutsu in any one of hundreds of schools around the world. I will then learn from others who have learned in those schools- we will meet, share our ideas, and collectively develop our art to unseen heights. Meanwhile, those scattered few who have a knowledge of 'true' Baji will train alone, reminisce on the glory days of Li Shu Wen, and wonder why there are no modern masters to match him.
@ooogooman maybe is because of lazyness. When people find out that learning Baji is actually hard work they seem to loose interest. Anyone is welcome to train in our club, but there's no point in learning anyone Baji before they at least have proper structure in their stances, and that usually takes 2-3 years. with 40 min stances at least every training. If you just start training everyone before they have that structure its just gonna become "Mc-dojo" where nobody learns anything properly.
@codexdelux You can't call a reluctance to engage in three years of stance training before your system even *begins* to be martially practical 'laziness' when there are martial systems that take considerably shorter periods not merely to teach people something martially useful but to turn people into formidable fighters. That's just being rational. There are better ways than static stance training to achieve the benefits it gives you, and a modern baji school must adopt them.
@ooogooman you misunderstand me i think. You should learn simpler stuff before baji so your structure is good. so 40 min of stance every training (if your stance is static your doing it wrong;) ) but in the meantime you also train tanglang (mantis), long fist and tai chi quan. The problem with baji has been that it tried to adopt, taught baji First and no one understood anything properly. its a very good system that craves dedication, if one does'nt have that then sure train something else:)
@ooogooman also:) the baji stance training is pretty different from any i've had in Karate or tae kwon do. its not static at all. your always trying to sink lower working your leg muscles. maintaining proper structure in your whole body, let your tailbone sink, lower the shoulders etc.. etc... so its not static. And then theres usually mantis step training afterwards, which is as unstatic as it gets:) 250 word count seems to leave enough out for misunderstandings every time i write:P
@codexdelux Aaaaah. I see. Yes, I hadn't understood that your school has a curriculum that teaches other martial systems before baji- that's among the few legitimate reasons for it to take that long.
@ooogooman Its often better to think of baji as the kata's you start learning when you reach a black belt in karate. To devote a school to only those without thoroughly learning the basics first would be senseless and a waste for the students:) the other systems like mantis are still heavily influenced by the baji though, we often get comments about baji stomping in our mantis forms and such:P
@codexdelux That may be the approach of your school- and a legitimate one- but are you contending that that is the *only* functional way to approach baji? That no school that teaches baji and nothing but baji from Day 1 can be successful?
@bm2332 Not remotely true. There are records of Baji masters who killed people in fights on more than one occasion. He's playing nice with them and not trying to hurt, but trying to teach.
@XD4133 Grabbing balls?! ROFLMAO! Before they grab ANYTHING they will have a broken arm GUARANTEED! HAVE YOU SEEN AN ARMBAR BEFORE?! Uh NO YOU HAVENT! Or you wouldn't say that shit.
@BadAssBlackOverlord He's killed people in real fights, have you ever killed someone with your own fists ? Someone who's at your same level of fighing knowledge, trying to kill you too ?
@shengxlong I am sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot kill someone with traditional arts such as these. No. I won't stupidly try to punch them in "slow motion" just so they can counter. I know some boxing and I am well versed in Jiu Jitsu. These guys will not win. Impossible.
He said and quote "I never had the feeling to hit a man twice." meaning he killed in one shot. Also it won't be slow motion, trust me. Fights come and go in an instant I'm sure you know that.
Although it's nice to see masters like this, the videos don't really do justice to their skills. To really appreciate them, i think you need to experience it first hand. Also has we all get older our power starts to decrease. It doesn't matter who you are, or what style you do. We are only Human!!!
how disrespectful Flanka , martial arts is much more than a sport, which is relegated to those who choose to view it as sport. let me take a guess, youre a mma or something or other type guy right? Apples and oranges, to disregard a master is to disregard the gifts of not being a fool.
Ba Ji reminds me of mizong/ Aiki jui jutsu/ and a mixture of hsing-i and tai chi. this style/ specific form is very impressive. for those who have been able to stir the chi with the fluidity of movement- while finding the hardness in the softness- watching this form is easy to see its value. the coordination shown here has a lot of power to be found. - thanks for the post, beautiful
Please, if you don't have knowledge about kung-fu and mainly about master Liu Yun Qiao history and the consequences of his work in kung-fu world, don't comment disrespectfully. Thank you to those who show respect.
@romoves this is shit, i will not blindly parody ass kissing because some ole windbay is called grand master. Neighter the students nor the old guy had any real fught experience that was obviously to those of us with pro experience
@flancka Friend ! The old masters have gone thru many challenges and won & they didn't get their fame in vain. They had their real fighting experience and were pro's of their days. It's sometimes very hard to compare the present pro experience with the then pro. Let's accept various styles and various practitioners ! No offence !
@flancka you should read the master's history, not only he's a super spy during his youth, he fight and kills on a daily basis. And he survives the war. It couldnt get any nastier than that.
Any guys you've killed so far? Any life or death battle/fight you've done so far?
@flancka wow you arrogant little mma worshipping garbage, you uneducated fucking piece of shit. So obvious you have no idea what real fighting is you keyboard warrior. The man before you fought and killed in war, and was trained by a man who was legend in a time when good martial arts were life and death. Shut your damned mouth you stupid fool. Many have tried to be nice about this but I say in full disrespect, you are completely without intellect or value. No one real would train you. Ever.
@flancka this old man was Asia 007, actually was 001 in army when he was younger. And a champ through many fights. Some master think they were pro like u challenged BAJI and died, thats why BAJI is so popular in Asia.
I'm reading a japanese comic called "Kenji". Simple name but what is interesting about this comic is that it talks about bajiquan and the history or wushu.
On the second book, there's a part where the granpa of the kid, he tells him a story of a Xingyi warrior on how he trained while his master was gone. So, the student kept doing one simple movement for about a year later, when the master came back; that simple punch was explosive and powerful.
Wushu means war art, not modern dance. It is still a war art not a bunch of glorified moves.
I would say it's China's fault for your blindness, but I believe they intend it that way.
For those that see a bunch of high flying kicks, and have no idea why we place so much attention on strong basic foundation are not really war artist (wushu players) and has missed the point. Just like China wants you to.
Wushu survived battle fields not regulated ring matches as you see to day. I am sure on a battle field were your life is on the line you would throw more than one punch and not extend yourself as much. So many demos you see are just showing small parts of the art form and not the whole thing.
None of you new MMA peolpe can do a whole flowery wushu form. Most of you will not be able to do the training it takes to make your boby do the things we do.
once i told my mother to throw me hits and it was impossible to grab her punches, and for this grand master in the vidio it will be impossible to grab anyones arm really trying to hit and not just throwing a punch to the air and w8ting his master to do his move
It's extremely hard to grab a punch, and it ends up being a matter of whether or not the way the punch was thrown allows it to be grabbed. That said, if one's timing and speed is good enough, it is feasible as long as one manages to exit the line of attack and grab hold of the arm before the enemy can retract it. Such a move, however, requires a very dedicated, hard training. Once it becomes an adquired skill, though... Many possibilities open from there.
@peedubb80 ur right at some points...but u fail in just one little thing.....THIS IS NOT WUSHU....OK plz, wake up, wushu is kung fu with gymnastics on it, this is ONLY REAL KUNG FU...plz calling this art Wushu is a complete disgrace such as wushu itself...I practice Kung Fu, real one, Baji also, and wushu is nothing but SHIT...
@peedubb80 However ur right about MMA bitches who think real fights and real fighting exp is only about a gard stance full of openings, attacking with ur eyes closed and give ur back to ur oponent while defending....wich is real stupid and only shoes lack of POWER, DETERMINATION, EXPERIENCE and SKILL
liu gekyu! he is trainer for taiwan army. acording to the comic book, he is the last student of the gratest bajiquan master lie sio bun (every name here speled by japanese kanji like lie yun chiao spelled liu gekyu). he's master developed bajiquan to become one of most powerful kung fu in china, beside shin yi ha (secret kung fu in shaolin), taichi cuan, shin yi liu hei quan (six of will), koka, kei, hiso, 72 the art of shaolin,ja (snakes), etc.
By comic, do you mean the manga named "Kenji"? I have heard good things about it.
I've also heard good things about baji. I really like what I saw in the video, it looks old. In old fighting styles, the premise was to survive in a fight, as this video shows. I'm not sure what happened when the four grapplers fell down, but the movements where you can see what happens were a joy to watch.
I'm pretty disappointed with this video. They all attacked with the same right punch and we're not even punching to hit - punches ended before they could even do damage. They were circling, but always attached in the direction he was facing - one at a time. So difficult to find any videos of random/unscipted attack-defense scenarios. Maybe I'm asking too much.
No you are not asking too much. In reality, wushu isnt a realistic form of fighting techniques. The way they practice is just too old. Their concept is still stuck in thousand years ago I mean, who attacks your opponent with one punch with the arm all the way extended, and legs in Gong Bu. Ive trained in many different forms of martial arts. Muay Thai / Kickboxing is the best striking technique, I must say.
There ARE videos of wushu practitioners doing sparring. They either look totally clueless or else employ the same tactics as any other competition striking art--dancing around a lot, rapid punch/kick combinations, kicking at the legs, etc. For sheer sparring effectiveness, nothing beats Kyokushin karate, IMO. But it, too, falls short whenever grappling is allowed. It's been proven time and again that the winning formula is a mix of boxing, very limited (low) kicking and jujutsu-style wrestling.
Yeah, it's called the Wu Tan Martial Arts Development Center in Taiwan, look it up on google. You can also learn it in America if you find the right teacher
Master Liu, the best there was (except his master LiShuwen) I understand that Master Liu served his government during WW2 and killed using his martial arts.
Tai Chi and Ba Ji Quan are both internal styles concentrating on building chi, and concentrating controled force. The biggest difference i've noticed between the 2 (besides the obvious techniques) is that ba ji trains explosive strikes and stomping, while tai chi's strikes are slow and precise. if that makes any sense.
I know pretty much nothing about Bajiquan, but the students looked very mcuh like they were circle walking from Baguzhang...what is the relationship between the two styles?
Oh how clever of you! You're like, totally the first person to ever say something like that! Pat yourself on the back and give yourself a gold star, kiddo, ya earned it!
meant no disrespect and I know it's only a demo but if you are engaged with 4 opponents, and tied up with one the other three are not just going to stand there circling.
Bajiquan was in brought to popular attention in the west largely by the Sega video game Virtua Fighter, as the style that the main character Akira Yuki practices, though none of the many representations of Bajiquan in popular media has ever been very accurate.
Other video game characters that use this style are Kokoro from the Dead or Alive series and Xiuying Hong from the Shenmue video game series.
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
LOL. I just realized why the guys are getting their butts kicked. Their leg stance is too firm and wide. A little swoop and London Bridge goes falling down.
Well, it' doesn't look like it, but it uses the same spiralling energy that starts at the Tan-Tien, goes to the legs and back up into the striking arm/shoulder, elbow, hip... whatever. And I'm not talking about Yang-style Taiji --- I'm talking about the original combative-style, Chen-style taiji, which is low, fast and more powerful/violent looking.
Although its only a demonstration, the distance the men fall is remarkable considering GM Liu's size and he was probably in his 70s when this was filmed.
Does Baji do circle walking too? I've been interested in Bagua lately...and these seem pretty similar to my untrained eyes. What's the difference between Bajiquan and Baguazhang?
alexdhamp 8 months ago
@alexdhamp Just about everything :), LYQ practiced Bagua aswell so they were probably doing some 'free form' sparring, while Bagua relies heavily on flowing footwork and whiping motion Baji movements "explode". The footwork is somewhat static like Xing Yi however the secrets to its fearsome power lies in the charging step (where you hear a loud bang), it is not a stamp in itself but it is merely the feet/legs following throughthe movements of your hips turning.
Gibmeister123 2 weeks ago
跟老外还是外行解释个毛线阿。这么喜欢看热闹练跆拳去，练得就是花拳绣腿。
titanhovey 1 year ago
People, have you ever learnt a true skill from a real master ? It feels like if you were going to die, because those are skills to kill someone, you will feel true danger and want to fight back or cover yourselves. Now that's a secret technique.
shengxlong 1 year ago
In my opinion, I think the Baji that been taught to the public is like, if as a fruit, it's only the skin (haha sorry, my english is bad). Because the A true master like Master Liu wouldn't teach the deadly skill to just anyone. He will choose the right student to teach the real secret of Baji and Pigua. It's not like, if you have money, you pay, and He'll teach you everything.
emanresu81 1 year ago
@emanresu81 Then Baji is doomed. I can learn excellent karate or jujutsu in any one of hundreds of schools around the world. I will then learn from others who have learned in those schools- we will meet, share our ideas, and collectively develop our art to unseen heights. Meanwhile, those scattered few who have a knowledge of 'true' Baji will train alone, reminisce on the glory days of Li Shu Wen, and wonder why there are no modern masters to match him.
Chinese martial arts must adapt or die.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman maybe is because of lazyness. When people find out that learning Baji is actually hard work they seem to loose interest. Anyone is welcome to train in our club, but there's no point in learning anyone Baji before they at least have proper structure in their stances, and that usually takes 2-3 years. with 40 min stances at least every training. If you just start training everyone before they have that structure its just gonna become "Mc-dojo" where nobody learns anything properly.
codexdelux 1 year ago
@codexdelux You can't call a reluctance to engage in three years of stance training before your system even *begins* to be martially practical 'laziness' when there are martial systems that take considerably shorter periods not merely to teach people something martially useful but to turn people into formidable fighters. That's just being rational. There are better ways than static stance training to achieve the benefits it gives you, and a modern baji school must adopt them.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman you misunderstand me i think. You should learn simpler stuff before baji so your structure is good. so 40 min of stance every training (if your stance is static your doing it wrong;) ) but in the meantime you also train tanglang (mantis), long fist and tai chi quan. The problem with baji has been that it tried to adopt, taught baji First and no one understood anything properly. its a very good system that craves dedication, if one does'nt have that then sure train something else:)
codexdelux 1 year ago
@ooogooman also:) the baji stance training is pretty different from any i've had in Karate or tae kwon do. its not static at all. your always trying to sink lower working your leg muscles. maintaining proper structure in your whole body, let your tailbone sink, lower the shoulders etc.. etc... so its not static. And then theres usually mantis step training afterwards, which is as unstatic as it gets:) 250 word count seems to leave enough out for misunderstandings every time i write:P
codexdelux 1 year ago
@codexdelux Aaaaah. I see. Yes, I hadn't understood that your school has a curriculum that teaches other martial systems before baji- that's among the few legitimate reasons for it to take that long.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman Its often better to think of baji as the kata's you start learning when you reach a black belt in karate. To devote a school to only those without thoroughly learning the basics first would be senseless and a waste for the students:) the other systems like mantis are still heavily influenced by the baji though, we often get comments about baji stomping in our mantis forms and such:P
codexdelux 1 year ago
@codexdelux That may be the approach of your school- and a legitimate one- but are you contending that that is the *only* functional way to approach baji? That no school that teaches baji and nothing but baji from Day 1 can be successful?
ooogooman 1 year ago
Doesn´t work in reality only good for body control and stuff like this
bm2332 1 year ago
@bm2332 works with slims chiness people
mohgoku 1 year ago
@bm2332 Not remotely true. There are records of Baji masters who killed people in fights on more than one occasion. He's playing nice with them and not trying to hurt, but trying to teach.
woodwalk 1 year ago
@woodwalk fuck off. I am a jiu-jitsu purple belt. these guys have NOTHING on me when it comes to grappling and takedowns. get the fuck outta here.
BadAssBlackOverlord 1 year ago
@BadAssBlackOverlord oh yeah and arm bar totally works when people are trying to grab your balls
XD4133 1 year ago
@XD4133 Grabbing balls?! ROFLMAO! Before they grab ANYTHING they will have a broken arm GUARANTEED! HAVE YOU SEEN AN ARMBAR BEFORE?! Uh NO YOU HAVENT! Or you wouldn't say that shit.
BadAssBlackOverlord 1 year ago
@BadAssBlackOverlord He's killed people in real fights, have you ever killed someone with your own fists ? Someone who's at your same level of fighing knowledge, trying to kill you too ?
shengxlong 1 year ago
@shengxlong I am sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot kill someone with traditional arts such as these. No. I won't stupidly try to punch them in "slow motion" just so they can counter. I know some boxing and I am well versed in Jiu Jitsu. These guys will not win. Impossible.
BadAssBlackOverlord 1 year ago
@BadAssBlackOverlord Li Shu Wen his teacher killed every person he fought and never lost he was famous for it, real Bajiquan is pretty vicious
qwatsdat 1 year ago
@BadAssBlackOverlord Tell that to Li Shu Wen
He said and quote "I never had the feeling to hit a man twice." meaning he killed in one shot. Also it won't be slow motion, trust me. Fights come and go in an instant I'm sure you know that.
jhamp06 1 year ago
幹嘛做一些防礙觀賞的視學效果？
yin8421 1 year ago
Although it's nice to see masters like this, the videos don't really do justice to their skills. To really appreciate them, i think you need to experience it first hand. Also has we all get older our power starts to decrease. It doesn't matter who you are, or what style you do. We are only Human!!!
longfist123 1 year ago
Baji quan,not nice to watch,not nice to fight.
ChanGengYun 1 year ago
frank if you don't like real martial arts and only type down rasistical comments why do you even bother watching this video?
Xylvion91 1 year ago
This master assassinated many Japanese officers during WWII... don't you doubt his masterhood!
kohanchen 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
Why didn't the film makers make movie about Li Shu Wen?
There's movie about Wong Fei Hung, Hou Yuanjia, and the latest was Ip Man.
I guess it's gonna be great to make a story about Master Li.
emanresu81 1 year ago
如果有人願意拍一部八極拳的電影 相信也會引起一波熱潮
d19582354 1 year ago
how disrespectful Flanka , martial arts is much more than a sport, which is relegated to those who choose to view it as sport. let me take a guess, youre a mma or something or other type guy right? Apples and oranges, to disregard a master is to disregard the gifts of not being a fool.
DONNIMETROPOLIS313 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
@DONNIMETROPOLIS313 hide behind, LOL thats funny, keep on living and searching, perhaps finding the truth might loosen your front teeth
DONNIMETROPOLIS313 1 year ago
劉老 讓八極拳的精隨能在台灣傳承下來的人物
pen50830 1 year ago
using training speed to his moves just make it slow (even with slow mo cam)
Azfargh 1 year ago
great one...
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去跟散打擂台的人比比看就知道啊
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ggbb200 2 years ago
Ba Ji reminds me of mizong/ Aiki jui jutsu/ and a mixture of hsing-i and tai chi. this style/ specific form is very impressive. for those who have been able to stir the chi with the fluidity of movement- while finding the hardness in the softness- watching this form is easy to see its value. the coordination shown here has a lot of power to be found. - thanks for the post, beautiful
patdaochi3140 2 years ago
Please, if you don't have knowledge about kung-fu and mainly about master Liu Yun Qiao history and the consequences of his work in kung-fu world, don't comment disrespectfully. Thank you to those who show respect.
romoves 2 years ago 3
@romoves this is shit, i will not blindly parody ass kissing because some ole windbay is called grand master. Neighter the students nor the old guy had any real fught experience that was obviously to those of us with pro experience
flancka 2 years ago
@flancka Friend ! The old masters have gone thru many challenges and won & they didn't get their fame in vain. They had their real fighting experience and were pro's of their days. It's sometimes very hard to compare the present pro experience with the then pro. Let's accept various styles and various practitioners ! No offence !
washingzoo1 1 year ago
@washingzoo1
sure!
flancka 1 year ago
@flancka you should read the master's history, not only he's a super spy during his youth, he fight and kills on a daily basis. And he survives the war. It couldnt get any nastier than that.
Any guys you've killed so far? Any life or death battle/fight you've done so far?
efcrew1111 1 year ago
@flancka wow you arrogant little mma worshipping garbage, you uneducated fucking piece of shit. So obvious you have no idea what real fighting is you keyboard warrior. The man before you fought and killed in war, and was trained by a man who was legend in a time when good martial arts were life and death. Shut your damned mouth you stupid fool. Many have tried to be nice about this but I say in full disrespect, you are completely without intellect or value. No one real would train you. Ever.
Bastion83 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
@flancka
so you're a pro when you fight with points for hitting someone? xD
lmfao you don't know anything about real martial arts C:
Xylvion91 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
@flancka this old man was Asia 007, actually was 001 in army when he was younger. And a champ through many fights. Some master think they were pro like u challenged BAJI and died, thats why BAJI is so popular in Asia.
alan513 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
such power behind these moves.
eflat5thposition 2 years ago
excellent
frater 2 years ago
I'm reading a japanese comic called "Kenji". Simple name but what is interesting about this comic is that it talks about bajiquan and the history or wushu.
On the second book, there's a part where the granpa of the kid, he tells him a story of a Xingyi warrior on how he trained while his master was gone. So, the student kept doing one simple movement for about a year later, when the master came back; that simple punch was explosive and powerful.
So, he told kenji to do the same with baji.
ShinFuYux 2 years ago 2
It's hard to find that manga nowadays! It is really realistic, I love it
dezinfectant 2 years ago
i read kenji comics also, and i really love it.
Later on the book, he met a bajiquan master named Liu Gekkyu.
Did you know that Liu Gekkyu in kenji comic, is the same man as Liu Yun Qiao in this video ?
rrthedoctor 2 years ago
yes. it is the same man
njimbus 2 years ago
did u read it translated? because I cant find the newer chapters. I wonder who is stronger, Li Shu Wen or Liu Yun Qiao xD
anhpho 2 years ago
Li Shu Wen is Liu Yun Qiao's master..Liu Yun Qiao is his last student
satutigatujuh 2 years ago
Wuh rly? I woner if Li Shu Wen was as violent as they say he is.
anhpho 2 years ago
The Palace Guards in Taiwan (whom GM Liu trained) called him "The Old Taoist" because he seemed to have magical powers in combat.
nigelainscoe 2 years ago
他開玩笑的吧。。。
goodgood001 2 years ago
Wushu means war art, not modern dance. It is still a war art not a bunch of glorified moves.
I would say it's China's fault for your blindness, but I believe they intend it that way.
For those that see a bunch of high flying kicks, and have no idea why we place so much attention on strong basic foundation are not really war artist (wushu players) and has missed the point. Just like China wants you to.
peedubb80 2 years ago
Wushu survived battle fields not regulated ring matches as you see to day. I am sure on a battle field were your life is on the line you would throw more than one punch and not extend yourself as much. So many demos you see are just showing small parts of the art form and not the whole thing.
None of you new MMA peolpe can do a whole flowery wushu form. Most of you will not be able to do the training it takes to make your boby do the things we do.
I and I can fight not that sloppy MMA shit.
peedubb80 3 years ago
once i told my mother to throw me hits and it was impossible to grab her punches, and for this grand master in the vidio it will be impossible to grab anyones arm really trying to hit and not just throwing a punch to the air and w8ting his master to do his move
jesusxtoo 3 years ago
It's extremely hard to grab a punch, and it ends up being a matter of whether or not the way the punch was thrown allows it to be grabbed. That said, if one's timing and speed is good enough, it is feasible as long as one manages to exit the line of attack and grab hold of the arm before the enemy can retract it. Such a move, however, requires a very dedicated, hard training. Once it becomes an adquired skill, though... Many possibilities open from there.
raidenvssolidsnak 2 years ago 2
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romoves 2 years ago
wushu didnt survive any battlefields.
Wushu is a modern dancing art.
emceemike 2 years ago
@peedubb80 ur right at some points...but u fail in just one little thing.....THIS IS NOT WUSHU....OK plz, wake up, wushu is kung fu with gymnastics on it, this is ONLY REAL KUNG FU...plz calling this art Wushu is a complete disgrace such as wushu itself...I practice Kung Fu, real one, Baji also, and wushu is nothing but SHIT...
tranglomango 1 year ago
@peedubb80 However ur right about MMA bitches who think real fights and real fighting exp is only about a gard stance full of openings, attacking with ur eyes closed and give ur back to ur oponent while defending....wich is real stupid and only shoes lack of POWER, DETERMINATION, EXPERIENCE and SKILL
tranglomango 1 year ago
若沒殘影會比較好
kuimonkey 3 years ago 2
八極拳打起來不好看,他是完全以實用為主的拳法
劉老師傅年輕時除了主學八極,也練過螳螂拳和八卦掌,所以他的八極拳較為靈動
李書文弟子很多,劉老師傅是他最後一位關門弟子,也是完全繼承李氏八極拳的人
j815062 3 years ago 12
They are hitting in a totally wierd range, this is not reality based.
They would have kicked some first, then come close in for hitting and then grapling.
Do defence against that. BTW, punchers snap their hands back within a 1/10 og a sec if they are pros.
Ingve1234 3 years ago
这种看似简单的古拳法个人认为实战型比花哨的现代拳术要高很多，都是打要害，避实击虚
dearjoey83 3 years ago 11
great legend................
aikicombat 3 years ago
liu gekyu! he is trainer for taiwan army. acording to the comic book, he is the last student of the gratest bajiquan master lie sio bun (every name here speled by japanese kanji like lie yun chiao spelled liu gekyu). he's master developed bajiquan to become one of most powerful kung fu in china, beside shin yi ha (secret kung fu in shaolin), taichi cuan, shin yi liu hei quan (six of will), koka, kei, hiso, 72 the art of shaolin,ja (snakes), etc.
andreadesmocedici 3 years ago
By comic, do you mean the manga named "Kenji"? I have heard good things about it.
I've also heard good things about baji. I really like what I saw in the video, it looks old. In old fighting styles, the premise was to survive in a fight, as this video shows. I'm not sure what happened when the four grapplers fell down, but the movements where you can see what happens were a joy to watch.
Endoperez 3 years ago
@Endoperez it's a real good manga and I recomend it! It has real good content not only about Baji but also Xing YI, Bagua and more
tranglomango 1 year ago
@tranglomango Im going to a school in Kun Yu Shan to practice both baji og xing yi.
Great styles!
grepakar 1 year ago
我認最後一個以一擋四的技巧是最高境界?是嗎?
反而是最難的~看似簡單......
s9160744jr 3 years ago
Train in Chengdu 8 135-3379
8stepsifu 3 years ago
跟太極拳有關係嗎 後段姿勢真好看 像是有力道的太極
jcttwct 3 years ago
都属于内家拳 像形意拳 八卦掌和武当的那些拳种都属于内家拳
TSshisan 3 years ago
八极是八极，太极是太极。刘云樵是蒋介石蒋经国两任台湾总统的警卫官。是李书文的直传弟子。
yzytr 3 years ago
國術大師，很多是隨中華民國來台過來的，原來是神槍李書文的弟子，神槍李書文有聽過，好像他其他弟子，有當共產黨大頭的保鑣
jcttwct 3 years ago 2
I'm pretty disappointed with this video. They all attacked with the same right punch and we're not even punching to hit - punches ended before they could even do damage. They were circling, but always attached in the direction he was facing - one at a time. So difficult to find any videos of random/unscipted attack-defense scenarios. Maybe I'm asking too much.
ReillyVids 3 years ago
No you are not asking too much. In reality, wushu isnt a realistic form of fighting techniques. The way they practice is just too old. Their concept is still stuck in thousand years ago I mean, who attacks your opponent with one punch with the arm all the way extended, and legs in Gong Bu. Ive trained in many different forms of martial arts. Muay Thai / Kickboxing is the best striking technique, I must say.
Maskedpsycho 3 years ago
There ARE videos of wushu practitioners doing sparring. They either look totally clueless or else employ the same tactics as any other competition striking art--dancing around a lot, rapid punch/kick combinations, kicking at the legs, etc. For sheer sparring effectiveness, nothing beats Kyokushin karate, IMO. But it, too, falls short whenever grappling is allowed. It's been proven time and again that the winning formula is a mix of boxing, very limited (low) kicking and jujutsu-style wrestling.
eleguaaugele 3 years ago
anyone knows in taiwan, where exactly can I find a real school that teaches the real ba ji quan for combat and self defence?
armyboy24 3 years ago
Yeah, it's called the Wu Tan Martial Arts Development Center in Taiwan, look it up on google. You can also learn it in America if you find the right teacher
OneCloudMind 3 years ago
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nanhuazhenren 3 years ago
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captainwillies69 3 years ago
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nanhuazhenren 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
one word for this crap... GHEY
taylorin666 3 years ago
うそくせ
plusalfa01 3 years ago
sin duda uno de los mejores y mas grandes maestros de kung fu tradicional que han existido
goldenphoenix03 4 years ago
Master Liu, the best there was (except his master LiShuwen) I understand that Master Liu served his government during WW2 and killed using his martial arts.
Pecherin72 4 years ago
That he did. Master Liu too.
7184610369 3 years ago
TRUE POWER!
Aurelio1212121221 4 years ago
these are deathly teachnique,and focus on the hit and force...trong enough to kill person...
Laozung 4 years ago
i do tai chi. whats the difference? anybody know? they both look internal and quite similar
merLin123a 4 years ago
Tai Chi and Ba Ji Quan are both internal styles concentrating on building chi, and concentrating controled force. The biggest difference i've noticed between the 2 (besides the obvious techniques) is that ba ji trains explosive strikes and stomping, while tai chi's strikes are slow and precise. if that makes any sense.
Variand 4 years ago
baji is a formation of bagua and xingyiquan.
RagingUtai 4 years ago
no... baji is not a formation of bagua and xingyi..
baji is strong one, others are smooth..
fychao 3 years ago
no, xingi is just as strong and linear as baji.
RagingUtai 3 years ago
ho, maybe i misunderstood~
fychao 3 years ago
GOOD LORD THE POWER!!! 0:43-0:53....
ba ji quan's sliding horse stepping...
Master Liu had amazing power!!!
Variand 4 years ago 3
He was being nice and not killing them...just pushin' them around...
egwidener 4 years ago
I know pretty much nothing about Bajiquan, but the students looked very mcuh like they were circle walking from Baguzhang...what is the relationship between the two styles?
Indra420 4 years ago
Master Liu did learn Baguazhang
windwod 4 years ago
5 elemente chi kung
alekx58 4 years ago
why don't they all attack him at once
spmmantisboy 4 years ago
Oh how clever of you! You're like, totally the first person to ever say something like that! Pat yourself on the back and give yourself a gold star, kiddo, ya earned it!
WarriorBoy 4 years ago
meant no disrespect and I know it's only a demo but if you are engaged with 4 opponents, and tied up with one the other three are not just going to stand there circling.
spmmantisboy 4 years ago
god, that chuansheng guy keeps posting quotes straight off of wikipedia -_-
fallenangei 4 years ago
It is Wu Dang (武当).
Enerjen 4 years ago
great to see wu-tang get some recognition. editing is terrible in this though..
Persecutus 4 years ago
Bajiquan was in brought to popular attention in the west largely by the Sega video game Virtua Fighter, as the style that the main character Akira Yuki practices, though none of the many representations of Bajiquan in popular media has ever been very accurate.
Other video game characters that use this style are Kokoro from the Dead or Alive series and Xiuying Hong from the Shenmue video game series.
chiuansheng 4 years ago
lol the last bit looks like a street fighter combo...
no offense to master liu though. he's really really great
audioian 4 years ago
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
chiuansheng 4 years ago
Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
chiuansheng 4 years ago
Baji Quan was the china royal guard's martial art in chin dynasty
Master Liu was a special task in WW2 like 007
He's mission was assassin japan important figure and rescure hostage.
chiuansheng 4 years ago
LOL. I just realized why the guys are getting their butts kicked. Their leg stance is too firm and wide. A little swoop and London Bridge goes falling down.
ColonelMarksman 4 years ago
you're kind of an idiot aren't you?
Persecutus 4 years ago
have you play virtual fighter before. the guys look like ryuo uses BAJI quan
craziness0059 4 years ago
What does Akira use?
w0rldpeace 4 years ago
Baji Quan
tubevmaster 4 years ago
ba ji is not like tai chi at all
craziness0059 4 years ago
Well, it' doesn't look like it, but it uses the same spiralling energy that starts at the Tan-Tien, goes to the legs and back up into the striking arm/shoulder, elbow, hip... whatever. And I'm not talking about Yang-style Taiji --- I'm talking about the original combative-style, Chen-style taiji, which is low, fast and more powerful/violent looking.
DonSyndrome 4 years ago
There is baji-sparring -- it's called baji-push-hands, like Taiji (Tai Chi) push hands. You do it to get a sensitivity for close-combat energy.
There's also Baji lance sparring -- you use 10' lances, which is a great excersise for issuingpower.
DonSyndrome 4 years ago
Cool, I didn't know Baji Quan also has its own push hands. Thanks for the info!
tubevmaster 4 years ago
is there any vid of baji sparring?
madmoomoo 5 years ago
just gotta hate the slow mo
thehymner 5 years ago
i started baji training and i know how much power he used to make the man fall. It is remarkable.
Dreday125 5 years ago
Although its only a demonstration, the distance the men fall is remarkable considering GM Liu's size and he was probably in his 70s when this was filmed.
Mangojuice211 5 years ago
This man was probably the best modern day Chinese martial arts master. You only need to look at the number of followers he has across the world.
Mangojuice211 5 years ago
it's nice to finally see grandmaster liu in motion.
Sean
bladesxf 5 years ago
you COULD spar with elbowcaps and those tkd things they use like paddings for the body and a helmet and gloves
mazdaplz 5 years ago
this in like super super super low motion, whats the point if you can't tell a thing
SocalRaver2 5 years ago
No, not really. I know that once you've gone through the traditional training involved, it becomes alot more than mere dance steps.
pow125wt 5 years ago
You have to spar with baji, if you dont you will never learn how to use baji, it would just become forms dancing
kungfumias 5 years ago
Something's either unique or not; it can't be very unique. Anyhow, very nice demo!
boonbeast 5 years ago
This is not sparring. You cant spar with Baji. Sparring with it would only result in injury or death. This is just a demonstration.
pow125wt 5 years ago
too bad about the slow-mo and double vision effect. Otherwise it'd've been a good archive video.
akirahojo 5 years ago
very unique demonstration - especially the end bits. thank you
timmydepoes 5 years ago
GREAT THANKS!!!
liangyi 5 years ago
cool,
I have always wonder if master Liu Sparr with his students. Any clips on free sparring? thanks for posting
Tianshanwarrior 5 years ago