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  • This guy didn't understand the movie lol.

  • Michael Phillips is alright

  • i was expecting a showdown between josh brolin and stelio kantos and all i got was tommy lee jones analyzing himself through a dreary perspective and kantos murders an innocent woman and then gets in a random ass car accident... wtf!?!?

  • I have a plot-busting question: Why did he go to all the trouble to hide the money in the hvac duct?? Because he knew he would be tracked by that. Then, why didn't he look in the satchel earlier and pull the transmitter out?????

  • @Jkbox1 Ye, wonder why too ..

  • @Jkbox1 Well, he didn't know there would be a tracking device in the suitcase with the money. He figured it out later by accident because he kept getting chased. As for hiding it in the vent, he figured the vent would be the only place no one would look despite being in plain sight and easy to access if he had to. The Mexican hired guns didn't find it but Chigurh, being smarter, did later and got the money after Moss died.

  • the ending is so wank ruined the film for me

  • @superdog117 The ending is great, you just couldn't understand it. go read the book, the ending will make more sense.

  • @BenjaminKuruga to be fair if you have to read the book to understand the ending then the majority of people are not going to understand it

    i really liked the film too, built alot of suspence and brolins acting was top notch it just feels the ending was rushed.

  • @BenjaminKuruga there are some things that work in a book but don't work in a movie, the ending here is a prime example.

  • There is a psychological phenomenon that affects each generation in the same manner as a mid-life crisis affects each individual. At some point, we are exactly double the age of the people who are coming up in the world, and we perceive a colder, harsher sensibility in the new generation. In reality, we are reacting to our own newfound tenderness. Time and experience have given us the courage to let our guard down, but without the resilience of youth, our new adventures have a bittersweet tinge.

  • yeah i dont know,they spend 15 minutes on the gas station scene and no scene showing the part where the main guy dies. idk.have to watch it again

  • This movie is fucking freaky. Its like a thriller/suspense movie. I was on the edge of my sofa choking on chips.

  • This movie is fucking freaky. Its like a thriller/suspense movie. I was on the edge of my sofa choking on chips.

  • The ending was like "WTF"!!!!

  • In the interview with the C brothers, they give full credit to Mac, admitting that large sections were simply lifted from the book. The book is incredibly well written, but in addition, written with that short, punchy prose the big screen needs.

  • Watching the film was a briliant experience and I will be sure to watch it again. But I dont get the film. The reason I dont get the film is because it has so many underlying morals that coming to a conclusion would be impossible. Also, the title is briliant. Siomple but effective.

  • 6.5/10

  • I think the end was just excellent!

  • they never said this took place in 1980

  • @arbiter569 Watch the coin flip scene and u will see that it does take place in 1980.

  • This is no drama, man. This is just one fucking scary movie. ;_;

  • Serial killer drama? Hell no cunt.

  • the first time I saw this film I didn't really get what the theme of the movie actually is. I just saw it again today and now my eyes are open.

    I have a tip for everybody; watch TRUE GRIT first, then this one.

  • why is steven Spielberg reviewing this movie?

  • I think the ending would have worked better if the entire movie was told from the perspective of Tommy Lee Jones character. Through most of the movie, we are seeing through the perspective of Josh Brolin's character. But then suddenly the movie shifts it's perspective to Jones's character. So the shift in focus was kind of jarring. It's still a great movie though. But it's actually not in my top 5 of 2007. It's probably in my top 10, but not top 5.

  • WHAT????? "3 and a half stars"??? What has he been smoking? This is maybe the best movie ever made!!

  • I think people who didn't like the ending for pretty much WHATEVER reason (unless you could explain to me a reason that makes A LOT of sense) are stupid. 

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  • Where in the FUCK did this guy come up with that last thing he said? There are no moral consequences of bloodshed? Did he walk out of the theater in the last 5 minutes of the movie? God I miss Siskel and Ebert

  • This movie is not a simple serial killer drama like you are watching it as. It has deeper meanings of the evil in all.

  • you guys are dumb, all the coen's brothers ending have heavy thought principles

  • 3 1/2? 3 1/2?!?! What movie did this douche watch?!

  • i thought the movie was brilliant! even though i didnt get the ending, i would still give it way over 3 and a half stars!

    I hate movie critics! they always get it wrong!

  • Probably the worst movie ending to an otherwise good movie I have ever seen.

  • i've seen it about seven times, it took me four times to get every scene (:

  • I Think This Movie For Old Men's lol xD

  • My favorite movie !

  • worst movie ever.

  • @PowerGamingHD

    You're a retard. It's an amazing movie.

  • Wow. Stun gun?? This guy has not seen the movie. Or he is a retard. Personally, ive never seen a stun gun hooked up to an oxygen tank

  • @GSpivv It's called a captive bolt pistol or stunbolt gun which uses compressed air to push a bolt into the skull of the animal/person to break their skull and stun them. It is used to stun cattle before slaughter, hence a "stun gun", why don't you look it up next time instead of making yourself look stupid.

  • It blew my mind.

  • 1 star for the elitist reviewer.

  • Latin wives waiting **busizz4me.info**

  • wtf? this was like the best movie ever

  • For those who complain, realize that it is a four star system.

  • 1 star for reviewer. Sitting in his milieu. That's right, milieu.

  • 3.5 stars for a "movie that is sure to get many oscar nominations"? hmmmm, something there is wrong

  • Stun Gun??? did he even watch the damn movie?

  • 4 stars for Dark Knight and not this? Bitch be trippin'.

  • the only bad thing in this movie is that subaru in the background when javier is driving the car right before the crash

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  • if you cant see the pure genius of this movie...then you dont need to be reviewing movies. the psychological impact this movie has is profound. pure genius.

  • it is a modern classic

  • Its all about cycles of time. Listen to the narration where he names all the old time sheriffs that were armed. Trying to fathom the carnage, Tom goes and talks to his cousin about a brutal incident many years before. You can sense the realization of the turn of time, and that's its back to the old time dangerous borderland. The relatively peaceful times are over and the world Tom Bell knew is gone. Another interesting fact is that most of the actors are from Texas: Jones, Brolin, Harrelson

  • @TheDrippy3 You nailed it! Everything is tied to cycles.

  • omg will you just give a film 5 stars you fucking bitter old halfwit. your a joke of a critic

  • @roloug95

    America use the 4 star rating rather than the 5 star!

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  • I love how the bad guy was sooooo fucking mental like, he would do things and check out his surroundings. It is hard to believe there are still people like that nowadays.

  • BULLSHIT. This was one of the best movies I have ever seen, if not the best.

  • "coens are probably more interested in that stun gun and what it can do to door locks not to mention people than they are in the moral consequences of the bloodshed" how do you know that?

  • 3.5? Bullshit.

  • @Gewok666 out of 4, not bad

  • this should be ****

  • Its a bit unreal as the bad guy seems to ba able to walk about at will with that silenced shotgun and blast whomever he wants without raising a search for the killer by the sheriffs dept(or much or one)I know texas is a wild place but random murder like in this movie that seems to go unpunished isnt ...well...real.

  • @mastersduhgree That's true. The movie depicts Texas in the 1980s as a sort of a lawless desolate place, similar to the West in the mid to late 1800s. Then again, no one ever lived to see and describe the killer. So, I do not know how a search for a guy with no description can be made.

  • Does this wannabe Siskel think he is special by knowing what "milieu" is?

  • I didn't like the film. I felt that the characters were pretty one dimensional, they had some character traits but little arc and no back story. As such, I didn't feel any tension during the movie. I felt there were a lot of scenes that ended up not having any impact on the plot, like when Brolin switches his money from one room to another. I also hated that coin calling thing. Bardems character seem to do it compeltly at random, and what exactly is he going to do if he loses it. Bad movie.

  • plenty of flaws in this .. Tommy Lee Jones has a character with zero impact and zero decisions in the world..The bad guy is almost god like... too big an exaggeration to make the story at least somewhat believable ...and the ending is real lame..2 stars

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  • @kagiso3741 Thats the point of the damn movie is that Tommy lee Jones's character can't do anything about whats going on. Did you completely forgot the name of the movie?

    With exception of one of the characters dying without any tension (or potraying it at all), the movie is one of the best I've seen in a while

  • @kagiso3741 Real lame? Since when does one man realizing that his old school philosophy of good and evil, crime and punishment, and the idea of death being discriminant to only the bad, count as lame? A little shallow of an opinon, and as for anton, he is the personification of death itself, an unfair force of nature, that works on a moral spectrum that people dont understand. maybe you should check into the plot since there is more then just face value to this film.

  • I watched the movie today....and in my opinion its a load of random shit and etc...

    I was dazzled to see that this movie got 4 oscars....maybe its me and if it is plz explain why this movie deserves 4 oscars....because i think it deserves... ;-]

  • @Ki11ar7tyle the movie was a very big letdown.directing wise i supose it did deserve some awards. but they forgot the story.....

  • You missed out the idea that death is a force of nature with no discrimination, that

    "old men"are the people who believes death comes to the wicked as a punishment? Its a story about, the unfair, about real life, and how it all unfolds. Anton was used as death in the flesh and his unlucky victim, Llewelyn, as much as most people want him to succeed and have is millions of dollars and what not, truth thats not life. Tommy Lee narrates the finer points of this changing world. How did u miss that?

  • @Ki11ar7tyle Because your not smart enough yet to understand the meaning behind this film and how great it is.

  • @biggitydiddity Judging my level of intelligence by this movie is bullshit....

    I may have ignored half of the dialogue or something,,,,idk what....because when i first saw this movie i was WTF? the bad guy is just killing non-stop...whenever he met someone he/she/it is dead...there were exceptions but still...then you have that poor guy runnimg away and that retarted sheriff that is doing bullshit about the killings....basically..."hi gorgeous!" *shoots strange weapon*....

  • Leon Lucky? WTF?

  • Milieu yes milieu - pretentious little shitbag. Stopped listening right there

  • You totally missed the point of the movie - the ending was perfect and made total sense to me. Excellent movie - you won't be disappointed.

  • @bubbaluverman Thank you! Yes, finally someone who gets it. This is a beautiful and tragic, heart-stopping film. People just want to see total violence. This movie has something amazing to say. 5/5 by me.

  • email me at

    nucouche@yahoo.com for the full explication de texte...

    reading film as subtexte...

    phillips review is terrible...because he wanted the cliche western ending, the coen's refuse to give... to their credit...

  • Juno < No country for old men.

  • For the Chicago fag that gave this film 3.5* recognize these are the same aholes who called Juno the best picture of 2007. This film just isn't the best picture of 2007, there hasn't been anything in the past 3 years to compare. It's not just a movie it's a fucking way of looking at life with a damn near religious significance.

  • i heard a theory of how bardem's character is also the tommy lee jone's character. And the more i watch the movie,(blu ray) the more i see the connections. theres still a lot of holes in this theory. But it also makes a lot of sense.

  • @tigerjonn darn, I watched the dvd version so i missed it... :/

  • one of the best villians ever to come on screen.

  • i just watched this today and really enjoyed it but the ending just baffled me. i think Chigurh should have been killed instead of just being in a car crash... but still great movie : )

  • Great movie. Second time i saw it I still wanted to see more, so i watched it again

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  • @AWarlordsView I know but how many stars were there?

  • @IcyCoolX

    it deserved 4 out of 4 stars

    imo

  • @AWarlordsView wow... it's out of 4 stars

    some of us that have seen more movies need to have standards

  • @fakeandgay69

    I know it's out of 4, I have seen many movies but NCFOM is my absolute favorite.

  • @AWarlordsView America use the 4 star system mate :)

  • @AWarlordsView How is it bullshit? It's his opinion. Best movie every made? Now that's bullshit.

  • @AWarlordsView this bullshit isn't the better movie of anything at all. this is just a freak crap without any means. fuckin garbage

  • Everyone who says they dont get the movie simply didnt put enough thought into it. The movie does not have "gaps", but rather explains things without explaining them. There are clues as to the actual hapenings in the movie that you simply have to think about. And that it what seperates this from other movies, you can watch it more than once, because it isint dumbed down like so many other movies.

  • 2 wordz 4 u egg zactly!!

  • exactly, this movie is filled w/ symbolism that you won't catch im just one viewing...one interpretation: anton represents islamic terrorism...there are some clues...he says "don't put it in your pocket" which is language directly from mohamed atta's will...the 1958 date of the coin that anton makes the clerk call in the air was bin laden's birth year, the car bombs, ritual killings, removing socks and shoes, the islamic ritual hand washing method that anton uses after killing the deputy etc.

  • @TheInfamousKyle I've watched it more than once, even read the novel, and there are way too many unanswered questions. Who does Anton Chigurh work for? The guys he shot in the desert, who are they and who do they work for? The guy on the 13th floor high rise, who is he and who does he represent? Woody Harrelson? Is he with DEA? Mexicans? Why does Anton kill Lewellyn's wife? She didn't have the money and she sure wasn't a threat. Seems like a foolish and risky errand.

  • @TheInfamousKyle yeah, the movie is very smart and clever movie. When u think about it. No one in the movie has won or has gotten the money. They all died including the wife and even Anton Churger (srry for spelling) did not get the money but a broken arm and serious injuries. See what money does to people

  • The people who went to Vietnam fucked up came back fucked up. Stop kissing the ass of the "Vietnam" thing in the United States. By the way, regarding Uncle Sam, you are welcome.

  • I think the movie is a comment on how twisted society can be, thanks to U.S Govt. policies. Anton Chigurh is a monster created by the vietnam war. The drug war creates powerful cartels with ruthless bosses. The sheriff cant figure out how people became so crazy. Thanks Uncle Sam.

  • Call it, friend-o.

  • I just watched this movie a few mins ago and I feel like there was a lot of gaps in the movie that needed to be filled... the film was ok, worth to watch but be warned, at the end you'll probably be thinking, WTF?

  • I thought for a second the Coen brothers directed "The Book of Eli" but that movie was directed by different brothers.

  • @IMFDB and it was bad...

  • This movie is pretty good but I didn't enjoy it that much, There Will Be Blood on the other hand is a masterpiece, much better than this , based on my tastes.

  • ya know, I'm sure I'm gonna geta response to this, nice or not, I'm not gonna read it so I guess i won't know lol, but I they should have ended it differently, its called no country for old men, so maybe, even the villain, at the end, after killing so many people, hes really old and he also gets killed or something along those line, it woulda lost ist moral but i think it woulda been cool if tomy lee killed em and then retired living a peaceful life ya know

  • Are you 13?

  • LMAO SENSELESS ACTION IN THE END!

  • 31/2? What does it take to make it to 4? Star Wars?

  • agree...the ending seemed like a lazy out. I remember feeling the sam way after watching Barton Fink-another Coen Bros flick-just disappointed at the end. Fargo was awesome at the end though...

  • @1scs It wasn't like the ending was the Coen Bros being lazy. This is how the book was written.

  • @1scs

    the ending has a very deep meaning and you really have to listen to tommy lee jones in order to understand... the ending is basically saying that fate is fate and that endings never wind up perfect. there are a few more things but you would have to look it up in order to understand.

  • Maybe I should watch the DVD of this film. I just watched it on cable 2 nights ago. They showed all the violence so I don't think they really cut anything out. But after the movie was over I thought, WTF? Wasn't that good. It just, jumps all over the place.

  • so he kill the wife at the end?

    tbh i hated the ending

    getting hit by a random car and left..

    than tommy lee's dream at the end..wtf

  • It's as if the Coen Brother's accidentally left out what could have been the most dramatic and exciting scenes.

    I'm amazed it won best picture considering it's easy for the audience to lose patience with the intentionally scattered ending. In terms of storytelling, the end reminds me of a Pulp Fiction that doesn't work as well. However it was much better than the poor Burn After Reading. Not quite as diabolical as The Box, one of the worst films of 2009

  • I just saw it and am not sure what to make of it. Apparently the film was so well recieved because of the cinematography and themes such as morality. However a lot of people simply didn't care what Tommy Lee Jones was talking about at the end. Why Javier Bardem didn't kill Tommy Lee Jones is beyond me and if he did which some are suggesting, why leave it out? A lot of people weren't impressed but rather confused and dissatisfied with the ending. There's no denying that

  • one thing i found stupid was that Brolin played the main character, yet Lee Jones got the oscar nomination for best actor when he is clearly a supporting actor.

  • i guess because Tommy Lee Jones is the protagonist, but Bolin and Bardem probably do have more screen time. It is hard to pick a main character out the 3.

  • this is one of my favorite movies

  • morality doesnt mean shit in the face or artistic greatness that is no country.

  • she's such a good actress i woulda never guessed she was scottish

  • One of the greatest "bad guy" performances ever with Javier Bardem.

  • If you liked this film, you may also like "Duel"

  • stop saying milieu COCK SUCKER

  • No, I don't think Anton killed Moss. The Mexican bandits did. Of course it's not clear & open to interpretation. Anton was there until later that night. He recovered the money from the duct and hid behind the door when Bell came in the motel room.

    If Anton was there during the big fracas, he would have killed Bell (only one policeman) & recovered the money right away, since he figured Moss hid it in the vent.

  • why didn't Anton killed Tommy Lee. i mean, he was just beneath the door in the motel. i remember that scene completely. Cartor Burwell score was "heard", the only time I heard it. maybe Tommy Lee was killed after that and then the "downbeat" ending scenes after that was just his dream. but i have to say, the ending was weak, i don't agree with what people are saying as the ending was "deep". for me, the ending was too anti climatic. the climax happened way too early

  • The movie isn't primarily about Moss VS Chigur, it's about the idea of this new wave of senseless crime and how to cope with a world that isn't what it used to be. If you read the book you'd see that the ending fits very well because it gives a conclusion to the inner war that tommy lee was facing. Tommy Lee was not killed because Anton is not a random killer, he kills people who inconvenience him, the sheriff did nothing to him, Anton kills soley based on his strict sense of morality

  • yes. the "No Country FOr Old Men" title was for Tommy Lee's character. but you have to admit, if the movie isnt about Moss Vs. Chigur then the Coens should'nt have shown the fight between Moss and Chigur. the ending doesnt work well with the movie. If they are going with the Sheriff's point of view then we(viewers) should have seen more of his point of view rather than Moss and Chigur.

  • dude, the guy Anton kills with a Car at the beginning? what inconvenience did he bring? or the guy with the chickens?. i saw the scene again and if you analyze that scene where Anton waits for Bell in the Motel, the windows are locked and Anton is nowhere to be found. maybe Anton was already gone when Bell came. maybe it was Bell wishing Anton was there.

  • He kills the guy in the car because he needs the guys car, simple as that. He is in a cop car that will be tracked so he switches it out for one that won't be, he obviously can't let the owner of that car live.

  • He killed them because he needed to steal their cars , obviously if you're dead it'll take a bit longer to report a stolen car . I think it'll be a classic (mainly because of the Anton character ) despite what Mr.Phillips says :o)

  • thats the point its runs parallel to life, during the film but there was no music, the good guy doesnt win, he gets killed, love cannot conquer all, cops dont always catch the bad guy. i remember wen the car comes into Anton at the end, swear down the other guy dies on impact, i was like HA....and then Anton gets out. hes lucky as the devil and you cant reason cus he has no soul. i didnt know what to say after it ended it was so realistic because of incredible directing and compelling script

  • "downbeat" endings doesnt bother me. it's the Coen bros., why wud i xpect a happy ending. what i was talking about is the sudden shift of focus on the story. i mean, why show those well crafted "shootouts" with Anton and Moss when youll just shift the story at the end. i know the book was about Bell(hvent read it, but it's what everybody's saying), but what the Coens did on the movie is make it more of a Cat and Mouse game with Anton and Moss than an old guy trying to analyze a new form of crime

  • i agree with Philipps. the Coens is more interested in that Stun Gun than the morality aspect of the film. this film gave the Coens a chance to use their incredible talent with scene like the shoot out on the Motel where Anton is screwing the light bulb, or when Anton kills the cop at the beginning by strangling him, or everytime Anton speaks to another human being. the way their edit those scenes, the way Deakins shot those. OMG, brilliant. a very good film that has a dissapointing ending

  • (if you meant stun gun as a metaphor for shocking scenes)i love the stun gun scenes too, but i found the ending more shocking than any other scene, which is why i liked it...a good few minutes after the credits. but if you meant the air tank as a stun gun im afraid im lost...it just shoots air at a rediculously high pressure like 2800psi how is it a stun gun it would and does destroy everything it shoots, not stuns it.....

  • i meant it as a metaphor for those violent, shocking yet well crafted scenes.

  • he wast it was hours after it just they were both causiuos at the time they were in the motel

  • It's pretty clear and not very open to interpretation. The Mexican bandits clearly did it. There's a dying bandit lying not far from Moss and earlier you see a truckload of them driving off. Anton snuck into his room later.

  • i re watched that scene again. Anton waits for Bell in the Motel, yet when Bell enters the room, the windows are closed and Anton is nowhere to be found. my first interpretation of that scene is that Bell was killed by Anton, and yet, i feel that that doesnt quite work. now, i think that that scene was about Bell wishing Anton was there and wishing he could have a "shootout" with him just so Bell won't feel useless in this Crime case.

  • WHO KILLED LEWALLEN MOSS?

  • Really enjoyed this movie. Photography and pacing is perfect and Tommy Lee Jones is excellent as the moral compass of the movie. Josh Brolin and Javier Bardem give great performances also, especially the latter who gives sinister a new face.

  • Eh no you didnt spoil it , anyone who loves movies will of seen it already and those that havent wont give a shit about it..But your malice has shown and how sad a individual you are..Your probably a down n out bumhole who still lives with mum and dad ya know etc , so go get some rope and tie the knot good and tight and end your miserable exsistence you pathetic waste of life and stop your bitchy childish ways..I hope some1 kicks your face in real good you internet bum..Hahahahahahahahaha : }

  • Just because I didnt spoil it for you doesnt mean I didnt spoiled for everyone else dumbass hahah you're an embarrassment to this world, but you're use to that arent you, child? just ask your ugly parents hahaha I think u should cut yourself infront of your parents so they can watch you die you miserable fucker - one less shit in this world!! I piss on your dead relatives skulls!! I also fucked your baby sister to dead and then cummed in her brains bahahah miserable loser mahahahha } : ]

  • Youre just dirt. Nothing more than dirt. Ergh you make me sick you pathetic fucking loser erghh please im praying that you die horribly, infact im praying that your whole family line dies horribly so at least there wont be cum stains like you around erghh please i hope youre killing yourself now just do it because no one likes you youre just a peice of semen on your dads shirt erghh disgusting human being DIE ^ ^

  • Boo hoo hahaha your the dirt bag you pussy..Loner douchebag .. You deserve everything I said to you !! Im a good man and Dad and proud of myself..Your a selfish cunt who goes round YT comments trying to spoil peoples day or movie ..Grow up Beavis , I wont be replying to ur loner/loser ass ,ill just delete it without reading it as you dont deserve any conversation with me..Your a total sad waste of life and your parents probably regret you big time , your a burden on them Id say not a help..

  • Wait shutup for a second. You're a dad? I'm just a dumb trolling kid - you disgust me.

  • I sense a butt hurt

  • From yourself of course.

  • who gets the money in da end....didn't understand tht point??

  • This movie will be a cult classic like Fargo. It was never predictable like so many movies are today.

  • its not really specified who got it , but its implied that the anton killer guy gets it, cause the sheriff goes to the hotel room where moss died and notices the air vent is pried open, meaning someone took the money, cause moss hid the money in the vent of the previous hotel he was in while he was there.

  • it just means killer was looking there. arent the money still at the river?

  • no, he picks it up after he gets out of the hospital, then he goes to a hotel in el paso to wait for his wife and mom-inlaw to come, but the mexican guys show up and kill moss, then later at night it is chigurh sneaks into the room and checks the air vent like he did at the first hotel moss was staying at. so most likely he ended up with the money, some say the vent was too small, but at the end he gives the kid a $100 bill just for his shirt,implying he got the money.

  • michael philips...you don have taste in any movies...

    your review has been suck as always.

  • i think the dude looks like dora the explorer

  • I found this film brilliant, dark and bleak. Sughur is God, randomly choosing who will be next to die, irregardless of justice or consequences. We have a sort of "free will", we can choose which side of the coin will land, but this "choice" is utterly meaningless.  A deeply pessimistic film with an oddly beautiful ending. This film faces reality with relentless courage and logic. A profound, unsettling vision of the human condition, not for the faint of heart.

  • "irregardless"? really?

  • oh youre right....."regardless" is right......i think i spelled his name wrong too....but you get my drift....

  • So, I get a bunch of thumbs down, but still nobody can explain why they wet their panties over this crappy movie... Interesting.

  • I think a lot of people liked the Bardem character because he's so vicious and badass. Yawn. The meat of this movie is when they talk about God. I think that Tommy Lee's character is so disturbed and distressed at the end because he sees that it is possible that God ("sometimes I think he's a ghost") has in fact stepped into his life as an old guy. And it's not what he expected.