This is the best piecve of Bigfoot evidence out there, and lining this dipshit up with it only made it stronger, look at the arms, his arms are no where near the same length , look at the shoulders, mass and slope , way different, look I have always said a guy in a monkey suit is gonna look simular to a monkey period, a guy immatating Pattys walk will resemble her walk, but you have to look at the details, Its been done you cannot line up the joints of this Bigfoot and a human, it dosent match
How did you come to the conclusion about what Kratnz meant when he said blah blah. How about it's just that. He said what he meant which was Roger was a ft off. That's what he said, how can you tell us what he REALLY meant. Why would someone say Roger was a ft off except when it stands up then he's right. That sounds totally retarded.
Still trying to pass off your lies I see. Patty's height has never been proven and in fact Roger stated she was 6 1/2 - 7, and Gimlin said more like 6ft and Krantz said Roger was 1 foot off. So how do you come up with these ridiculous stories? Selective hearing at its finest. Keep repeating you beliefs though it seems to work as most people don't have the slightest clue about the truth about Patty.
Krantz was talking about a walking height of 6ft. Krantz thought that standing up straight Patty was at least 6 1/2 foot........which is actually within what Roger Patterson thought. Patterson said 6 1/2 to 7ft.
The recreation walk they did back then was quite off, and the camera was clearly not where Roger's was so it's a bit useless. Patty can't be those infamous 6ft., and thus not BobH, because we see all of her legs clearly yet the top body's longer. So, seeing the legs visibly in full, how can it be a man of merely 6ft.? -It can only be a much taller being, namely in the 7ft. neighborhood. This also fits later examinations of the footage, and Roger's own words that the being could've been that too.
I was surprised to find out that Bob is according to him a little over 6 ft.Some websites state he is 6 ft.There is a video on here of a uk reporter who walked the same path as the creature just a couple of weeks after the film came out.This reporter is 6'5.When compared side by side with the creature you see it is only about 2 inches taller than the reporter.You're looking at a good 6 inch difference between Bob and the Bigfoot.I can see a man wearing a suit add a couple of inches in height bu
Is Darwin's theory suppressed? When they discovered possible bacteria from Martian asteroid debris was that suppressed? The Big Bang theory suppressed? No. None of that which is all real scientific based theories in direct conflict with religion yet here it is. Your excuse is laughable. It's weak and you should be embossed when you repeat it.
Religion most likely, it equals power in America. Probably as simple an explaination as that, why else would they not tell. Assuming they know of course, and I think they do. But it really doesn't matter where on Earth we find a hominid like this, you find it in one place it pretty much validates all other sightings elsewhere globally. It means the beings are good at hiding and they're there. Say a living Neanderthal in Russia, we were always told they died out but here they are. End of story.
@reclaimerReclaimer I have made a few geologic discoveries accidentally and with hard work and I am not even a researcher. There is so much out there not yet discovered by people. Remember that most people are too busy raising families, being lazy, partying, keeping up with the Jones, and disinterested to be out there making discoveries. Plus, the exposure is not there- the things to be discovered are buried, hidden, or in isolated areas.
Right! That's proof right there! Why don't Rogers pictures exactly match Patty?!?! I mean I guess he wouldn't have had any idea of what Patty would end up looking like but if His drawing looked exactly like Patty then they would try and say that he copied it! People are grossly underestimating Rogers artistic abilities. If he had already seen a female Bogfoot (aka Patty) his picture would've have been identical!
Relax Darth Joey, he asked a question and O answered with just the facts. I think the anti-bogfooters excuse is that "wow not only did someone else see a female Bogfoot but was encouraged to report it by Ivan Sanderson who then wrote a Bogfoot article read by Roger who then wrote his own book from news paper clippings with pictures of a female Bogfoot and that Patty walked, looked and acted like Roes". All it proves is how they can point out the coincidences
Not shaky? Doesn't he run across the creek following Patty? Isn't it always shaky until he comes to a stop and films for a few seconds? Sorry I think most people would call it shaky but whatever. Just because someone's camera is shaking and such when they are filming a Bogfoot doesn't mean it's a hoax.
Whoa whoa relax. He asked why would she had breasts like it was this totally out of the box concept that no one had ever thought of before and I was just pointing out the truth that it in fact had been done several times. Ok Ray lived 100 miles away. How far is bluff creek from Yakima? John didn't find anything he was told.
Actually John Green did find footprints. When he got there the footprints that were initially reported to Green were gone.They had been back bladed by a bulldozer. John Green then looked around and found lots more footprints in other places.
John Green then tried to contact Roger Patterson but Patterson was on a bigfoot search in Washington.When Patterson returned home his wife told him about Green's footprints so Roger went to Bluff Creek.
Go to "Sasquatch, Behind the Fur of Bigfoot" to find Eminbozo claiming there are pics of Wah Changs mask from Star Trek with the mouth CLOSED!! I have more than just a passing interest in fx.. for a mask to be able to move over teeth an underskull is required, the foam skin is then attached to cables that can be pulled manually, or by servos...it's very time consuming to make..but Wah Chang made an elaborate cable controlled mask, which is seen on film for 2 seconds. yep
Well technically Patty was not the 1st Bogfoot with Breasts. 12 years prior to the filming of Patty a guy named Roe filed his own encounter of a Bogfoot with breasts and such. Ivan Sanderson wrote a story about it that Roger read, and later Roger drew pictures of a female with Breasts in his book, so they try to say that those aren't coincidences jus more proof of a hoax. Whatever soon they will get their comeuppance!
Yep agreed. Roger Patterson's drawings of bigfoot look like tall cavemen or Neanderthal types.
The picture he drew of the 'old woman' from Ostman's alleged encounter looks very spindly, sparsely covered in hair and has knobbly knees and elbows. The breasts are flat. It looks like some cave woman creature rather than Patty like powerful stocky creature..
@LaughingGravy31 I've heard these morons say this before...guy sees a female bigfoot...12 years later another guy FILMS a female bigfoot ...MY GOD!! They have similarities!! Proof of hoax right there! (??????) ...don't ya get it!? They should have been TOTALLY different in appearance and behaviour for it to have NOT been a hoax.(?????) ..cookoo cookoo cookoo cookoo...
Correct!!! I mean what are the odds there is more then one suit especially since it was supposed to be made by a rodeo cowboy with cancer? Realistically no one could remake an exact suit from an old shaky film anyways so give it non-believers! You'll never be able to prove this a hoax!
The film is not 'shaky'. It has been stabilised and the relevant part is actually pretty steady and quite clear, especially considering the real image of Patty is only 1.2mm high.
Keep in mind that the hoax stories themselves are inconsistent in their details, with more than one person claiming to be the one in the "suit," that has never been produced!
Yes yes Ray was a know hoaxer who left Bogfoot prints everywhere and yes his brother the foreman of the construction site was the police's number 1 suspect but that's only because the whole town of Yakima where Roger, Bob H, Gimlin, Ray etc were from, thought it was a hoax and implemented him. Just because the whole town laughed when it went national doesn't mean it was a hoax!
Ray Wallace was NOT from Yakima and didn't even ever live there.
Ray Wallace was born in Missouri and later on settled in TOLEDO, Washington, which is over 100 miles west of Yakima. Wallace died in Centralia, Washington. Again, over 100 miles from Yakima.
And just because John and Rene, journalists who were very much involved in the BF search so much so they even ended up with first run copies of the film and rights to it! They knew cuz Al (a local) called them at the first sight of new prints! And it's no surprise they were there cuz Ray Wallace the owner of the construction company that found the first set of prints in Bluff creek told Roger to look there! More proof of a BF hot spot'
Is a matter of face they had the camera too long! See they were making a film about an Indian guide and a cowboy trying to find a BF. So while it's possible they bought a suit to shoot their film, and a guy "claims" to have sold him one, it proves nothing. He ran out of money, and a warrant was issues for the camera he had no choice but to go look for a Bigfoot. Why is it so hard to think a guy who's looking for Bigfoot finds one?
Sure all the facts point to hoax but all the facts pointed to OJ being a murderer and such but he was proven innocent. So just because it appears to be extremely unlikely doesn't mean it is. Besides the fact that a ape suit was hard to make in 67 that is all the evidence needed to prove that there is a 7ft man-ape roaming the US Forrest's. Someday we'll have pics, video, and DNA then you'll eat crow.
The thing that's always seemed most suspicious, these guys're out there specifically to find and film a bigfoot. On the last day of their misbegotten feature film making camping expedition, suddenly and miraculously, boom, a bigfoot. I mean 'cmon. Take into account the collective character and cash flow issues, make your own call. There's more interesting and compelling footage elsewhere. TeamYin's channel has an entire playlist.
You are incorrect. Patterson and Gimlin had the camera for 6 months trying to film a bigfoot and didn't.
They actually went down to Bluff Creek in October 1967 hoping to film the TRACKS that John Green and Rene Dahinden and Don Abbot saw a month before in the same area.
And by the way if a policeman sets out to catch criminals, is it a coincidence when he actually succeeds?
By the way, it wasn't the last day. The rain storm forced them out the next day. Roads were washed out.
Look at Bob the liar trying to emulate the obvious free flowing animal non-human gait and such of Patty. Sure it looks exactly the same, and sure he got the people of Yakima to claim that he's been walking that way for years. But come on! Hey Bob you've only had 30 years to practice that walk! All this proves if given enough time, practice, and such you can replicate someone's gait.
Go to Bigfoot Forums and the the Patterson-Gimlin section in particular. You will find lots of in depth discussion and links (although the skeptics and dismissers stink up that place too).
There are some GREAT threads about the blunders and self contradictions of Bob Heironimus.
One thread in particular PROVES he was lying about the Bluff Creek terrain features. It's called:
'Bob Heironimus' Strange Comments About Bluff Creek'
Bob H is not tall enough to have been Bigfoot, nor are his strides nearly long enough to make the tracks that Patterson and Gimlin found. He's an imposter.
....ha ha look at Bob H's legs and feet, they look NOTHING like the legs and feet of the subject in the Patterson film. No compliant gait. Bob H is a complete joke. Even if the Patterson film was a hoax (which it isn't) then this bozo wouldn't be the one in the suit.
@BigfootBeliever2012 I just did some research in regards to the lie detecter test Bob took.Bud Pax is an evangelist who owned PAXTV ,the network which aired the lie detecter test.He's been trying to debunk the film from the beginning.Also Ed Gelb is the man doing the test. He's been nailed with fraud for claiming he has numerous PHD's where as he has not one! This was the true fraud. I'm spreading the word! Won't be long now before the "debunkers" look even more stupid!
@LaughingGravy31 I've yet to see anything on youtube,or an 'in your face' link showing as much.One really has to research this to find the truth.The non believers are too quick to dismiss all available evidence,and often refer to the lie detecter test as proof that BF does not exist.They're also to lazy to do any real research. If you know of any links supporting this stuff about Ed Gelb,Bob H,and Bud Pax could you please link me up.Thank you!! I know of some,but it's like connecting dots
Clearly the only hoax is the one that Bob is trying to pull on everyone with the "admission that the film was a hoax". The gorilla costume they show in their movie does not look like the famous film clip, not at all.
its funny how a few idiots who wear a costume can even trick a top scientist in believing this is real haha. They already admitted its fake get over it haha.
well it's proved that Patterson and Gimlin did not fake it between each other since they are talking to each other in the film. For people that don't believe in BF and think the footage is fake. Think about this. What sane person would wear a big, overheated suit, in SUMMER, and walk around in the middle of a rural forest to fool two riders at that exact moment?
@whitetiger123100 Oh yeah, no one would EVER wear a hot suit in the summer to pull off a hoax.. f'kin moron. It's people like you that they did this hoax for. Someone who's comprehension is less than that of a 5 yr old. Hence, it spread like wild fire because your lives are so boring, you need stories of big foot and the lochness monster.. By the way, I have some bridges to sell and some ocean front property in the Gobi desert :)
@Cartmanland98 , sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was doing more important things.okay one, you're an ass-hole who needs a life. Two, have you ever seen God, no didn't think so, all anyone knows about him is from stories. Bigfoots' are worshiped and talked about in almost all native american stories. The only difference is, is that people have actually seen bigfoots'. Have fun selling bridges, so more fat asses can drive and get their mcdonalds.
search this on youtube---> Bigfoot-Sewing it Up, this is one example of how the suit was used. Its as simple as this, if this creature has been around this long we would have some type of credible evidence but there is none, not one shred of REAL evidence, besides the blurry video, tracks that were faked, or even a real body, but some how lives in secret, again this is a stealth animal that moves like a sloth when on camera looking right at the camera... Haha thats my last post, good hunting lol
Oh good God, this man is a publicity seeking idiot. It's not him in the suit because it is no suit. The creature recorded is real. Even russian scientists have looked at it closely and determined it is no hoax.
If shoulder pads raises a suit Patty surely would be taller than skeptics want her to be, but the whole shoulder pad nonsense falls flat because Patty's legs prove it's not BobH or anybody else. Forget all that shoulder pad stuff, her torso's typical BF long meaning a person could not even reach up to her head. This body is not possible for any one of us humans to function inside and operate realistically, even today unless you have a few millions to spare and it'd still not pass as real anyway.
Nice shiny new hoax account there, Istevenl. lol Satelllites and cameras? Err, there undoubtedly have been p l e n t y of BF captures made with them, but you just haven't seen them. Yet. Ask your local church or write authorities why that is, hah. Small minded indeed. Shoulder pads is out of the question due to all limb proportions, this is no Hollywood suit job like you always see them, that single standard BF fashion they can produce them in. Longhaired 'n' humanshaped. Cool band name, eh.
Pause the video at spots. The Bigfoot's knees are higher than "Bob's" knees. Plus if you look at more recent videos you'll notice the sharp slope of the Bigfoot's forehead. IMPOSSIBLE for a human head to fit inside that. Since certain people are saying words like, "evidence" or "do your research" or "look it up", i just thought i'd offer some known facts myself.
oops btw if you did research you would have found that the reason he walked different in the BF video is due to the shoes or "feet" he had to make the impression of a 'bigfoot', there ya go I did your homework for you now all you gotta do is look it up for yourself and see how stupid this whole thing actually was.
""oops btw if you did research you would have found that the reason he walked different in the BF video is due to the shoes or "feet" he had to make the impression of a 'bigfoot',""
OOOOOPS, you have completely forgotten that Bob Heironimus claims he walks like that anyway and that everyone who knew him said they knew it was him because of the way he walked.
Now why would he and they say that if he was putting in a fake bigfoot walk?
WOW did you guys do any research, ummm shoulder pads which would make the arms look longer in the suit. Another point is funny how we have satellite's and camera everywhere yet not one has a clear picture of one of these creatures... LOL get real this is as real as nessy and other creatures created for the small minded to believe what they are told or show in a fuzzy video!!! LMAO GET A CLUE
Shoulder pads CANNOT locate the elbow joint lower.
Shoulder pads CANNOT make the forearm shorter.
The creature in the PGF has arms that hang LOWER DOWN than a human's, the elbow joint is located LOWER DOWN than a human's and the forearms are SHORTER than a human's.
Shoulder pads can't achieve all this.
The fingers flex too and the elbow joint bends naturally.
@LaughingGravy31 Wow I laugh at your ignorance, if you have shoulder pads on under a costume it raised the shoulders and making it appear as though the elbow would be lower because you have raised the torso higher in appearance. Oh my I guess this is why I don't comment on sites like this, it shows the complete lack of knowledge and you have to spoon feed the information to people
@LaughingGravy31 It's also interesting to note the fact that the uploader of this video did not include Patty's legs: upon close examination of the Patterson footage, one can see that each leg bends to about a 90° angle each time before taking another step. Bob Heironimus' legs, in this footage at least, bend to at most a 70° angle. According to scientific analysis, this is the regular angle that human legs bend at; a person would show obvious signs of difficulty if trying to replicate it.
So how come over 50 planes remain missing from northern California to Alaska and have never been found...and they are unnatural big shiny metal things.
Why didn't a satellite spot Steve Fosset's missing plane, even though it was on open mountain slope. It was only because a hiker found his wallet lying there that his plane was discovered nearby.
Why wasn't DB Cooper and his stolen $200,000 ever found?
Wow you have to be the most ignorant person I have ever read from, you really had to dig on the DB Cooper story didn't you, Ummm let me remind you that was over 30 years ago and moss and other things would have grow over the top of it. You are complete missing the target here, the police can detect criminals using satellites and your are cracking me up with the Fosset's plane, they knew where it was just because they didn't release the info so john public doesn't know they have surv that good
Moss and other things over DB Cooper? So what do you think would cover bigfoot bones or bodies? Bright red blankets? A firework display?
And NOBODY knew where Steve Fosset's plane was. It wasn't found for a year and only then because a hiker found his ID card lying on the floor when he was hiking a trail. If that hiker didn't see the ID card, Fosset's plane would not have been found when it was.
Satellites did NOT 'discover' his plane so stop talking bullshit.
Leg bones don't match at all, don't need to be a professor to see that. There really is no one single thing on her body that'd match his, and no amount of suit padding is ever going to change that when #1 the legs are seen completely, and #2 her torso being much longer than his. So how does he function that upper body, those long arms swinging naturally from way up high on too broad shoulders. He can't, and that means it's not BobH or anybody else. This is BF anatomy, out of Tinseltown's reach.
@DelusionTerminator The elbow on Patti seems to be in the middle of Bob's forearm, which would be a nice trick for an arm extension. Notice they don't show the legs, either.
BOB , BOB ...HEY MR HEIRONIMUS , I DONT SEE YOUR BIG BUNCH OF KEYS THAT YOU ALWAYS CARRY ON YOU...oops silly me..its obvious thar heironimus is fat , lying cunt...he aint a good lover like me
I'm looking at proportions. This is edited (legs cut off) to make it look like Patty and Bob are same height. Patty has MUCH larger torso and thicker more robust legs. Bob looks like a pumpkin on stilts. He also would have been thinner in his youth. Patty walks with flexed legs, Bob has straight legs. In my opinion, Patty looks much larger and bulkier than Bob. If she was a man in a suit, I think it was different man.
Either Bigfoot is real and this is footage of it, or it's a truly extraordinary hoax, probably the best ever. The intricate details with the muscles, arm extensions, the breasts, the natural uneven fur are all beautifully executed, it's interesting that they went to all that effort to include those details that wouldn't become clear to the public until decades later when the film is zoomed, stabilised and enhanced. Both possibilities are pretty amazing and fascinating.
@stonenz111 you just said a mouthfull,why would you go to the trouble whith every little detail not being aware how you could zoom in the image in the future.
Hollywood basically doesn't know what's going on in the subject BF, they think they wrote the plot and have the rights to monsters. They've always thought, putting tall guys in longhaired suit's enough and we'll buy it. Fun in a film, but it's not how reality is. Reality is the BF anatomy's more apelike, longer torso shorter legs, we're the other way around. That's why suits always look like tall guys, it's the only way to do it for us. And it's why Patty and Marble Mountain's build/gait's real.
Most people just won't accept these Sasquatch beings are out there, so how can they believe what they're seeing in the PGF's anything but a hoax? People don't really want to think it's true, that they're actually watching the real thing, so the block of denial comes up. A safety mode, that's all, fear of the unknown and their own place in the greater scheme of things. Everyday life's complicated enough as it is for many, and now this. lol
What this sides argument basically is that a rodeo guy, who was also an evil genius in his part time, somehow got together with other geniuses and faked something on a 16mm camera we cannot adequately duplicate today! Using a 1967 monkey suit and stuff lying around in the tack room. Which is astounding, because that makes them better than Hollywood special effects guys of this era. Ohh sure, they'll claim they can do it, shoot it on 16mm and get back to us! We need a laugh.
They constantly focus on the stride, instead of the arm! You really think a bunch of cowpokes back in 67 thought of arm extensions? Bendable arm extensions that would require your fore arm being broken in the middle to work?
Grant on Ghost Hunters tried a hoax on their halloween special. It was pretty convincing until experts looked at it. And spotted all the things a plumber wouldn't think of! You want to believe rodeo clowns thought of everything? Really?
@OptifIex i have been saying this about the arms all along,they are the proof the film is real,the elbow joint is well below were a human in a suits elbow would be,if you use extensions all the extra length is put on the forearm and the humans elbows bend in the suit were the humans elbows are,this is the one and only real footage of bigfoot
As is constantly pointed out by analysis of this his arm just isn't long enough to pull this off.It's not even close, it's FAR too short to pull this off. A large primate with a long torso and shorter legs can conceivable be duplicated in stride. But the arms can't be. Another thing is if you are screwed out of $1000 do YOU wait 30+ years to mention it? Let's do a character comparison. He tries to say he kept quite all that time out of some sense of honorably, or whatever.
But he wasn't to honorable to go along with a hoax in the first place? Does that make sense? Granted, practically everybody involved on either side is kind of an idiot. But idiots can stumble upon something and film it. An angry, cop hating crack dealer could conceivable film a police brutality film, nobody would dismiss it because he had an agenda. Unless they could prove he faked it. The disclaimers want to dispute this, however the arm can't be explained. Explain the arm length?
Yea the original suit was ditched - they put a lot of work into that fake - the suit had arm extensions - Now idiotic morons want the fakers to put as much work into making a new fake suit to show exactly how it was done -- Ok, you jerks foot the bill, but for real it is case closed. Bob is the fake Big Foot.
@ungertron bob h has zero proof that he is the patterson bigfoot,who would wait 30 plus years to come out whith it?would you?the elbow joint is below were a human in a suits would be
Stop the video and notice the huge difference in the length of the arms, also stride is much longer than the mans, and why the heck does he have breasts?
It's too bad the subject is largely the trashy tabloid's darling, obviously that's why only so few scientists stick their neck out, when there's every reason for their open mind to deal with it. Instead they've become afraid of their own shadow, resulting in closed minds, so for a good part of the science community we're right back at the old world views of flat Earth, etc. They fear ridicule because the media prefers the superficial monster coverage.
The weird thing is, if it is a suit that they managed to turn a guy with a short torso and long legs into a creature with a long torso and short legs, would've been easier to find a tall guy with a long torso instead.
Yes, no fake shoulder pads could do this because they always extend out from the shoulders, leaving the arms still stuck to the body. Goes without saying. Unless you cut off his arms of course, but I doub't even a hick like BobH would go that far. Yet these arms swing naturally, from way up high on a torso much longer than his own, so the bottom line is he could not reach either way not up there or outwards. There are so many points on Patty proving her a genuine BF, hoax idea's just ridiculous.
Pause at 00:11 proportions are completely different, the bigfoots right arm extends back much further, look how much lower on the body the left arm comes out, look at the angle of the thigh, he doesn't have a long enough torso to bend that way. Nothing alike.
I am a professional geologist. The sasquatch is rare, intelligent, and likely gregarious (hang out together). If one is isolated and dies, the acid soils and predators immediately break it down.The aerial (oxygen-rich) environment does not preserve bones- only an environment with fast burial and lack of oxygen (relatively rare) will preserve the bones.The sasquatch is apparently doing whatever it takes as a survival mechanism that allows it to be elusive and defy logic.Life is not so simple!
@rockstarzep And how would you know this if you never seen any bones or a body? Stop making of things you yourself or anybody else that never had the chance to examine one, all you are doing is making assumptions until you can prove what you say we don't care your a professional geologist. Now please explain the lockness monster and aliens also, they have never been found, no bones, body, nothing, all is hear say, sorry just dont believe it until you can show proof besides fake foot prints.
@blackstersherron I wanted to say that I am a professional geologist because I know about the bone preservation thing greatly to say the least. I don't believe in the loch ness monster, never did. Not sure about aliens- never researched it like bigfoot. You have to research and not rely on chatter and poor sources. Many footprints are fake, but there are hundreds deemed authentic and their size versus occurence were plotted and demonstrated a natural population- very very unlikely hoaxed.
Right rockstarzep, but sadly no surprise so many bozos fall for anything so superficial, as some old fool thinking he'll make some money this way. It's a free ride after all, or so most people think, that since BFs probably don't exist as we're told it can't hurt to tell a big lie. A lot of goons have another thing coming though. lol The old no bones question; since the beings are so humanlike, obviously intelligent and possibly some primitive human species with a language, they could bury them.
And no, Bob Hearsayimanass does not walk like the creature in the film. Patty walks with what is called a compliant gate and doen't lock the knees (which are conveniently cut out).The nonlocking knees are designed for a heavy creature. The feet are designed flexible for the wilderness.The footprints measured 14.5 inches. By proportion as you can see in the bigfoot sasquatch evidence video where the frame is frozen showing the feet, the height of Patty is 14.5 X 6 = 87 inches = 7 ft 3 inches.
Wrong, Jimmy. It's not fake and that's been proven fact numerous times by now, you just look in the wrong places. As do Bigfoot searchers, I guess. lol It's got nothing to do with technology, yes, this is still the best footage because the situation for filming the encounter was right. She was out in the open, mostly with people around they won't be. Besides, can't be faked because of our anatomy (restrictions) vs. 7ft. Sasquatches. Guys, film's no hoax, you're indeed looking at the real deal.
@reclaimerReclaimer U do know that bob h went on tv and past the polygraph and u do know the owners of the pgf makes a shit load of money 4 all who wants 2 c and use the film, its a big cover up its not real my friend just a bunch of people making money off a bunch of dumb asses who would believe any thing. If that was the case how come no bones are bodies of a big foot has been ever found? Because there is no such thing, there is no way you can tell me a 7ft animal body has never been found.
@blackstersherron I hunt. And I am in the woods a lot. Have you ever been in the woods for more than a camping trip? How many bear skeletons and moose etc have u found? Well I hunt in areas that have high populations of bear and moose,both of which are very big animals...Yet in 22 years,I have never found a bear skeleton or a moose skeleton. Nature takes care of these things. Bugs,weather,soil....they all effect how long something lasts once it is dead.
Dr. Melba Ketchum update: I thought we would be finished in a few weeks, but instead, Sasquatch threw us curve balls even with their DNA which can be as elusive as they are.We are past that! As a result, we have assembled a renowned team, each of us with our own specialties to make this project "extraordinary".If everyone will hang in there, I promise it will be worth the wait. We have the proof, now just give us the opportunity to present it in a form that will even convince skeptics.
its a fake. They set out to capture Bigfoot, and they did. Very convenient. With all the cameras and technology that we wave now, don't you think we'd have something better. THIS is the best we got? Especially now that we know the bluff creek footprints were faked. The real mystery is how can anyone with a brain think the Patterson film is a real bigfoot.
@gurn73 Thanks my friend sum1 with common sense, just like they said there is life form in outer space, all the filming they have done, and u mean 2 tell me not 1 alien in his space ship passed by the camera? No aliens sat in camera view 2 take a break from flying or walking? LOL! Its funny how people would think a 7 foot big foot only leaves prints but never found, no bones, no body at all, but yet and still people believe its real that's why pgf is making thousands off of dumb asses.
This guy's proportions are totally off if he says he was in a Bigfoot suit.
For starters his legs are WAY longer than Bigfoot's in the original video (notice the legs are missing in this video's super imposing).
The creature in the video has longer arms and shorter feet plus this Bob H guy walks much faster than the creature in the video did.
In a recent documentary from 2009, after figuring the camera lens and distance from target, the creature is estimated to be over 7ft. Bob is barley 6ft.
Additionally... if he really was in a suit than that suit was ahead of its time, not to mention how off the proportions would be altogether. He's already 6', the creature is estimated to be no more than 7'7".
Recent investigations on the video would show that no man could even fit in the lower part of the suit and walk the way it does in the film. for him to be wearing some kind of football gear or whatever, I would think, would limit his mobility, which would show in the video...
Typical. On 1 hand you can see muscle, facial, movements etc. but bring up the glass eye and they just talk about some other mumbo jumbo... Show me the suit.. Lol what kind of argument is that? You shouldn't be asking anyone to show you anything when there is nothing you can show yourself. Why don't they ever do a show proving why it's fake? Because everyone already knows..
Bob Heironimus is a liar - jealous of Patterson and Gimlin, and thought he could cash in on some publicity for himself. One question - if it was him, where is the suit? Put it on, and demonstrate for us how the creature in the film is the same as you with a gorilla suit on. Huh? Come on... It shouldn't be that tough...
While I admit Bob's walk is very eerily similar the long arms does pose a problem. Have you ever seen the show Yo Gabba Gabba? The little green one Brobee also has some very strange long arms, extremely disproportionate. Possibly related to a Bigfoot? I've seen him tree peak on the show and he likes to dance.
@ffmcmav40 Extension in gorillas films go far back beyond the 67 filming of this one...typical were arm extensions nothing new or recent...that is not a difficult thing to do...I saw pics of Mr. H. when he was young at the time of his claims and was built like football player...also he new Roger and Bob and pics prove it with a movie Roger was trying to make...Roger P was trying to break into hollywood and later sold this famous film footage for $50,000 in 1976...that was a fortune..
@ffmcmav40 SorryI meant 1967..again Bob H. could be lying but the glass right eye that MK Davis film footage shows...I believe this is a hoaxed film and terribly unreilable for any claims...my point if this creature still exists we shouldn't need this film anyway.
@ffmcmav40 Agreed...I would truly truly love this film to be true but it is not..frankly it breaks my heart to come to that objective realization...but again that doesn't mean the creature is not real...but without the Patterson film things and hopes do drop a lot. But I will sit and wait and see what else investigators can produce. :)
@1927Norma Its not real,there is no way something that big is living around us and we never found anything other then foot prints and fake vids, come on we can catch the fastest land animal running on camera the cheetah but we cant find a causal walking big foot? LOL! It's not real as nosy and curious as humans are about wild life, spending months in the jungles all over the world they would of found a big foot already. So use your brain and think, there is no big foot.
@blackstersherron Oh ya,I forgot....We as humans know everything about our natural world and know every living species here....Mankind is discovering new species every day. take our oceans for instance. We know no where near all the species in them. We are a very ignorant and arrogant species. Saying "there is no Big foot" simply because you say so proves this ignorance. New species of apes,Big Cats,etc are being found across the globe now. NEVER will we know everything about this planet.
BobH aka Mr. Too Short Torso, strutting along pretending to be a Bigfoot... It's really quite pathetic when you think about it, how someone's so desperate to get in the tabloids, they'll lie about wearing a fake hairy Bigfoot suit with tits on, thinking it's a free ride they can get away as media stunt because 'most people don't believe they exist anyway, or they'll never be found'... lol
I must admit, the idea of "Bigfoot" seems a bit fringe to me. But I will say that I approach EVERYTHING with skepticism, yet an open mind.
Many seem to have heavy "ego investment" in the official paradigm, AND in alternative concepts. Denial comes, when the ego investment is too deep to reconcile one's "held" world view with new information that would alter their current "belief". Sometimes a person's ego will protect them from having to admit that they may have been duped into something false.
This is the best piecve of Bigfoot evidence out there, and lining this dipshit up with it only made it stronger, look at the arms, his arms are no where near the same length , look at the shoulders, mass and slope , way different, look I have always said a guy in a monkey suit is gonna look simular to a monkey period, a guy immatating Pattys walk will resemble her walk, but you have to look at the details, Its been done you cannot line up the joints of this Bigfoot and a human, it dosent match
MrBahlz 3 days ago
How did you come to the conclusion about what Kratnz meant when he said blah blah. How about it's just that. He said what he meant which was Roger was a ft off. That's what he said, how can you tell us what he REALLY meant. Why would someone say Roger was a ft off except when it stands up then he's right. That sounds totally retarded.
ffmcmav40 1 week ago
@ffmcmav40
Sigh.
Page 97 of Grover Krantz's book. His actual own words:
"IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT THAT THIS RECONSTRUCTED STATURE IS THE CREATURE'S WALKING HEIGHT NOT IT'S STANDING HEIGHT"
You want more. Same page (page 97).
""...WE FIND IT MUST HAVE HAD A STANDING HEIGHT OF 6FT 6 INCHES"
How about that? Bang on with Patterson's leeway of 6 1/2 to 7 feet.
Now was there anything else you wanted me to correct you on?
LaughingGravy31 1 week ago
@ffmcmav40
Where's your comeback?
Grover Krantz said the standing height MUST be 6 and a half ft.
LaughingGravy31 5 days ago
Still trying to pass off your lies I see. Patty's height has never been proven and in fact Roger stated she was 6 1/2 - 7, and Gimlin said more like 6ft and Krantz said Roger was 1 foot off. So how do you come up with these ridiculous stories? Selective hearing at its finest. Keep repeating you beliefs though it seems to work as most people don't have the slightest clue about the truth about Patty.
ffmcmav40 2 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
Krantz was talking about a walking height of 6ft. Krantz thought that standing up straight Patty was at least 6 1/2 foot........which is actually within what Roger Patterson thought. Patterson said 6 1/2 to 7ft.
Pretty close.
LaughingGravy31 1 week ago
The recreation walk they did back then was quite off, and the camera was clearly not where Roger's was so it's a bit useless. Patty can't be those infamous 6ft., and thus not BobH, because we see all of her legs clearly yet the top body's longer. So, seeing the legs visibly in full, how can it be a man of merely 6ft.? -It can only be a much taller being, namely in the 7ft. neighborhood. This also fits later examinations of the footage, and Roger's own words that the being could've been that too.
reclaimerReclaimer 2 weeks ago
I was surprised to find out that Bob is according to him a little over 6 ft.Some websites state he is 6 ft.There is a video on here of a uk reporter who walked the same path as the creature just a couple of weeks after the film came out.This reporter is 6'5.When compared side by side with the creature you see it is only about 2 inches taller than the reporter.You're looking at a good 6 inch difference between Bob and the Bigfoot.I can see a man wearing a suit add a couple of inches in height bu
Motorsash 2 weeks ago
Is Darwin's theory suppressed? When they discovered possible bacteria from Martian asteroid debris was that suppressed? The Big Bang theory suppressed? No. None of that which is all real scientific based theories in direct conflict with religion yet here it is. Your excuse is laughable. It's weak and you should be embossed when you repeat it.
ffmcmav40 2 weeks ago
Religion most likely, it equals power in America. Probably as simple an explaination as that, why else would they not tell. Assuming they know of course, and I think they do. But it really doesn't matter where on Earth we find a hominid like this, you find it in one place it pretty much validates all other sightings elsewhere globally. It means the beings are good at hiding and they're there. Say a living Neanderthal in Russia, we were always told they died out but here they are. End of story.
reclaimerReclaimer 2 weeks ago
@reclaimerReclaimer I have made a few geologic discoveries accidentally and with hard work and I am not even a researcher. There is so much out there not yet discovered by people. Remember that most people are too busy raising families, being lazy, partying, keeping up with the Jones, and disinterested to be out there making discoveries. Plus, the exposure is not there- the things to be discovered are buried, hidden, or in isolated areas.
rockstarzep 2 weeks ago
Why are they trying to keep Bogfoot a secret again? I keep forgetting.
ffmcmav40 2 weeks ago
Right! That's proof right there! Why don't Rogers pictures exactly match Patty?!?! I mean I guess he wouldn't have had any idea of what Patty would end up looking like but if His drawing looked exactly like Patty then they would try and say that he copied it! People are grossly underestimating Rogers artistic abilities. If he had already seen a female Bogfoot (aka Patty) his picture would've have been identical!
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
Relax Darth Joey, he asked a question and O answered with just the facts. I think the anti-bogfooters excuse is that "wow not only did someone else see a female Bogfoot but was encouraged to report it by Ivan Sanderson who then wrote a Bogfoot article read by Roger who then wrote his own book from news paper clippings with pictures of a female Bogfoot and that Patty walked, looked and acted like Roes". All it proves is how they can point out the coincidences
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
Wow the human's arms are not nearly long enough and his shins are far too long, as well as his torso not being long enough.
802wolves 3 weeks ago
Not shaky? Doesn't he run across the creek following Patty? Isn't it always shaky until he comes to a stop and films for a few seconds? Sorry I think most people would call it shaky but whatever. Just because someone's camera is shaking and such when they are filming a Bogfoot doesn't mean it's a hoax.
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
Whoa whoa relax. He asked why would she had breasts like it was this totally out of the box concept that no one had ever thought of before and I was just pointing out the truth that it in fact had been done several times. Ok Ray lived 100 miles away. How far is bluff creek from Yakima? John didn't find anything he was told.
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
"John didn't find anything he was told."
Actually John Green did find footprints. When he got there the footprints that were initially reported to Green were gone.They had been back bladed by a bulldozer. John Green then looked around and found lots more footprints in other places.
John Green then tried to contact Roger Patterson but Patterson was on a bigfoot search in Washington.When Patterson returned home his wife told him about Green's footprints so Roger went to Bluff Creek.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
Go to "Sasquatch, Behind the Fur of Bigfoot" to find Eminbozo claiming there are pics of Wah Changs mask from Star Trek with the mouth CLOSED!! I have more than just a passing interest in fx.. for a mask to be able to move over teeth an underskull is required, the foam skin is then attached to cables that can be pulled manually, or by servos...it's very time consuming to make..but Wah Chang made an elaborate cable controlled mask, which is seen on film for 2 seconds. yep
joeyvader 2 weeks ago
Can YOU find ANY pics of the ape creature from that Trek episode with it's mouth closed...?
joeyvader 2 weeks ago
Well technically Patty was not the 1st Bogfoot with Breasts. 12 years prior to the filming of Patty a guy named Roe filed his own encounter of a Bogfoot with breasts and such. Ivan Sanderson wrote a story about it that Roger read, and later Roger drew pictures of a female with Breasts in his book, so they try to say that those aren't coincidences jus more proof of a hoax. Whatever soon they will get their comeuppance!
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
The pictures Roger drew himself of a female with breasts don't look like Patty.
The only one that looks like Patty was the copied Morton Kunstler drawing.
Patterson's own female bigfoot creatures don't look much like Patty.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 I think his drawings look more like cavemen..they are NOT huge and powerful like the Patterson subject...at all..
joeyvader 3 weeks ago
@joeyvader
Yep agreed. Roger Patterson's drawings of bigfoot look like tall cavemen or Neanderthal types.
The picture he drew of the 'old woman' from Ostman's alleged encounter looks very spindly, sparsely covered in hair and has knobbly knees and elbows. The breasts are flat. It looks like some cave woman creature rather than Patty like powerful stocky creature..
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
Shock horror. To different witnesses described different female bigfoots with similarities! Oh my gawd. How outrageous!!
What the fuck do you EXPECT with a real animal? For the same species to be completely different?
You are a fvcking idiot aren't you?
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 I've heard these morons say this before...guy sees a female bigfoot...12 years later another guy FILMS a female bigfoot ...MY GOD!! They have similarities!! Proof of hoax right there! (??????) ...don't ya get it!? They should have been TOTALLY different in appearance and behaviour for it to have NOT been a hoax.(?????) ..cookoo cookoo cookoo cookoo...
joeyvader 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 I saw a lion once...then I saw a film of one! Those lions MUST have BOTH been hoaxed, cuz they looked so similar!!!
joeyvader 3 weeks ago
whoa whoa whoa... so if Heironimus was the guy in the suit, does he ever explain the BREASTS? You'd think they'd go into that.
ShadesofScorpius 3 weeks ago
Correct!!! I mean what are the odds there is more then one suit especially since it was supposed to be made by a rodeo cowboy with cancer? Realistically no one could remake an exact suit from an old shaky film anyways so give it non-believers! You'll never be able to prove this a hoax!
ffmcmav40 3 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
The film is not 'shaky'. It has been stabilised and the relevant part is actually pretty steady and quite clear, especially considering the real image of Patty is only 1.2mm high.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
Keep in mind that the hoax stories themselves are inconsistent in their details, with more than one person claiming to be the one in the "suit," that has never been produced!
SuperImready 3 weeks ago
Yes yes Ray was a know hoaxer who left Bogfoot prints everywhere and yes his brother the foreman of the construction site was the police's number 1 suspect but that's only because the whole town of Yakima where Roger, Bob H, Gimlin, Ray etc were from, thought it was a hoax and implemented him. Just because the whole town laughed when it went national doesn't mean it was a hoax!
ffmcmav40 4 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
How many more lies do you want to spin?
Ray Wallace was NOT from Yakima and didn't even ever live there.
Ray Wallace was born in Missouri and later on settled in TOLEDO, Washington, which is over 100 miles west of Yakima. Wallace died in Centralia, Washington. Again, over 100 miles from Yakima.
GET YOUR 'FACTS' RIGHT.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 WHAT?!? An ANTI bigfooter LYING!!??? Say it aint so!!!!
joeyvader 3 weeks ago
And just because John and Rene, journalists who were very much involved in the BF search so much so they even ended up with first run copies of the film and rights to it! They knew cuz Al (a local) called them at the first sight of new prints! And it's no surprise they were there cuz Ray Wallace the owner of the construction company that found the first set of prints in Bluff creek told Roger to look there! More proof of a BF hot spot'
ffmcmav40 4 weeks ago
@ffmcmav40
Lying again I see.
Roger Patterson himself made NO MENTION AT ALL that Ray Wallace told him to go to Bluff Creek to look there.
Roger Patterson went to Bluff Creek because JOHN GREEN told Roger about the tracks he saw there just a few weeks before.
Ray Wallace was a liar who made up lots of stories, including supposedly having 3 hours of bigfoot footage.
There is NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Ray Wallace told Roger Patterson to go to Bluff Creek.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 Have him show you where we can ALL read Jane Goodalls retraction...!!!
joeyvader 3 weeks ago
@joeyvader
Hehe cute.
Hehe how can we show anybody Jane Goodall's retractions when she's never actual retracted anything. We all know she still is a bigfoot believer.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
Is a matter of face they had the camera too long! See they were making a film about an Indian guide and a cowboy trying to find a BF. So while it's possible they bought a suit to shoot their film, and a guy "claims" to have sold him one, it proves nothing. He ran out of money, and a warrant was issues for the camera he had no choice but to go look for a Bigfoot. Why is it so hard to think a guy who's looking for Bigfoot finds one?
ffmcmav40 4 weeks ago
Sure all the facts point to hoax but all the facts pointed to OJ being a murderer and such but he was proven innocent. So just because it appears to be extremely unlikely doesn't mean it is. Besides the fact that a ape suit was hard to make in 67 that is all the evidence needed to prove that there is a 7ft man-ape roaming the US Forrest's. Someday we'll have pics, video, and DNA then you'll eat crow.
ffmcmav40 1 month ago
All he had to do is show us his breasts and herniated leg muscles!
tekmatik2009 1 month ago
The thing that's always seemed most suspicious, these guys're out there specifically to find and film a bigfoot. On the last day of their misbegotten feature film making camping expedition, suddenly and miraculously, boom, a bigfoot. I mean 'cmon. Take into account the collective character and cash flow issues, make your own call. There's more interesting and compelling footage elsewhere. TeamYin's channel has an entire playlist.
willsclassic 1 month ago
@willsclassic
You are incorrect. Patterson and Gimlin had the camera for 6 months trying to film a bigfoot and didn't.
They actually went down to Bluff Creek in October 1967 hoping to film the TRACKS that John Green and Rene Dahinden and Don Abbot saw a month before in the same area.
And by the way if a policeman sets out to catch criminals, is it a coincidence when he actually succeeds?
By the way, it wasn't the last day. The rain storm forced them out the next day. Roads were washed out.
LaughingGravy31 4 weeks ago
the right leg of patty goes farther inward than bobs leg does. if tht was his normal walk then how could he pull that off in a suit
CardShark989 1 month ago
Look at Bob the liar trying to emulate the obvious free flowing animal non-human gait and such of Patty. Sure it looks exactly the same, and sure he got the people of Yakima to claim that he's been walking that way for years. But come on! Hey Bob you've only had 30 years to practice that walk! All this proves if given enough time, practice, and such you can replicate someone's gait.
ffmcmav40 1 month ago
Go to Bigfoot Forums and the the Patterson-Gimlin section in particular. You will find lots of in depth discussion and links (although the skeptics and dismissers stink up that place too).
There are some GREAT threads about the blunders and self contradictions of Bob Heironimus.
One thread in particular PROVES he was lying about the Bluff Creek terrain features. It's called:
'Bob Heironimus' Strange Comments About Bluff Creek'
It 100% nails him as a liar.
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago 6
Bob H is not tall enough to have been Bigfoot, nor are his strides nearly long enough to make the tracks that Patterson and Gimlin found. He's an imposter.
VitalSigns1 1 month ago
....ha ha look at Bob H's legs and feet, they look NOTHING like the legs and feet of the subject in the Patterson film. No compliant gait. Bob H is a complete joke. Even if the Patterson film was a hoax (which it isn't) then this bozo wouldn't be the one in the suit.
BigfootBeliever2012 1 month ago
@BigfootBeliever2012 I just did some research in regards to the lie detecter test Bob took.Bud Pax is an evangelist who owned PAXTV ,the network which aired the lie detecter test.He's been trying to debunk the film from the beginning.Also Ed Gelb is the man doing the test. He's been nailed with fraud for claiming he has numerous PHD's where as he has not one! This was the true fraud. I'm spreading the word! Won't be long now before the "debunkers" look even more stupid!
plopnod 1 month ago
@plopnod
Yes you are quite right.
The whole Bob Heironimus crap is a fraud and a lie and yes, Ed Gelb doesn't have a PHD as he claimed. He is a liar and a fraud too.
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago
@LaughingGravy31 I've yet to see anything on youtube,or an 'in your face' link showing as much.One really has to research this to find the truth.The non believers are too quick to dismiss all available evidence,and often refer to the lie detecter test as proof that BF does not exist.They're also to lazy to do any real research. If you know of any links supporting this stuff about Ed Gelb,Bob H,and Bud Pax could you please link me up.Thank you!! I know of some,but it's like connecting dots
plopnod 1 month ago
Clearly the only hoax is the one that Bob is trying to pull on everyone with the "admission that the film was a hoax". The gorilla costume they show in their movie does not look like the famous film clip, not at all.
HunterMann 1 month ago
No one's admitted anything, get over yourself emina for pete's sake.
reclaimerReclaimer 1 month ago
its funny how a few idiots who wear a costume can even trick a top scientist in believing this is real haha. They already admitted its fake get over it haha.
cardshark598 1 month ago
@cardshark598 Who is they?
plopnod 1 month ago
well it's proved that Patterson and Gimlin did not fake it between each other since they are talking to each other in the film. For people that don't believe in BF and think the footage is fake. Think about this. What sane person would wear a big, overheated suit, in SUMMER, and walk around in the middle of a rural forest to fool two riders at that exact moment?
whitetiger123100 1 month ago
@whitetiger123100 Oh yeah, no one would EVER wear a hot suit in the summer to pull off a hoax.. f'kin moron. It's people like you that they did this hoax for. Someone who's comprehension is less than that of a 5 yr old. Hence, it spread like wild fire because your lives are so boring, you need stories of big foot and the lochness monster.. By the way, I have some bridges to sell and some ocean front property in the Gobi desert :)
Cartmanland98 1 month ago
@Cartmanland98 , sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was doing more important things.okay one, you're an ass-hole who needs a life. Two, have you ever seen God, no didn't think so, all anyone knows about him is from stories. Bigfoots' are worshiped and talked about in almost all native american stories. The only difference is, is that people have actually seen bigfoots'. Have fun selling bridges, so more fat asses can drive and get their mcdonalds.
whitetiger123100 1 month ago
@whitetiger123100 LOL NICE!
plopnod 1 month ago
@Cartmanland98 Lochness monster is a hard one to believe.Sasquatch on the other hand,not so much.
plopnod 1 month ago
Bob H doesnt bend his knee, Patty does. Its not a hoax youre welcome.
YourFavoriteSniper1 1 month ago
search this on youtube---> Bigfoot-Sewing it Up, this is one example of how the suit was used. Its as simple as this, if this creature has been around this long we would have some type of credible evidence but there is none, not one shred of REAL evidence, besides the blurry video, tracks that were faked, or even a real body, but some how lives in secret, again this is a stealth animal that moves like a sloth when on camera looking right at the camera... Haha thats my last post, good hunting lol
IstivenI 1 month ago
Oh good God, this man is a publicity seeking idiot. It's not him in the suit because it is no suit. The creature recorded is real. Even russian scientists have looked at it closely and determined it is no hoax.
benmacabre 1 month ago
If shoulder pads raises a suit Patty surely would be taller than skeptics want her to be, but the whole shoulder pad nonsense falls flat because Patty's legs prove it's not BobH or anybody else. Forget all that shoulder pad stuff, her torso's typical BF long meaning a person could not even reach up to her head. This body is not possible for any one of us humans to function inside and operate realistically, even today unless you have a few millions to spare and it'd still not pass as real anyway.
reclaimerReclaimer 1 month ago
Nice shiny new hoax account there, Istevenl. lol Satelllites and cameras? Err, there undoubtedly have been p l e n t y of BF captures made with them, but you just haven't seen them. Yet. Ask your local church or write authorities why that is, hah. Small minded indeed. Shoulder pads is out of the question due to all limb proportions, this is no Hollywood suit job like you always see them, that single standard BF fashion they can produce them in. Longhaired 'n' humanshaped. Cool band name, eh.
reclaimerReclaimer 2 months ago
Pause the video at spots. The Bigfoot's knees are higher than "Bob's" knees. Plus if you look at more recent videos you'll notice the sharp slope of the Bigfoot's forehead. IMPOSSIBLE for a human head to fit inside that. Since certain people are saying words like, "evidence" or "do your research" or "look it up", i just thought i'd offer some known facts myself.
MarkFaust 2 months ago
oops btw if you did research you would have found that the reason he walked different in the BF video is due to the shoes or "feet" he had to make the impression of a 'bigfoot', there ya go I did your homework for you now all you gotta do is look it up for yourself and see how stupid this whole thing actually was.
IstivenI 2 months ago
@IstivenI
""oops btw if you did research you would have found that the reason he walked different in the BF video is due to the shoes or "feet" he had to make the impression of a 'bigfoot',""
OOOOOPS, you have completely forgotten that Bob Heironimus claims he walks like that anyway and that everyone who knew him said they knew it was him because of the way he walked.
Now why would he and they say that if he was putting in a fake bigfoot walk?
You cynics don't think things through, do you?
LaughingGravy31 2 months ago
WOW did you guys do any research, ummm shoulder pads which would make the arms look longer in the suit. Another point is funny how we have satellite's and camera everywhere yet not one has a clear picture of one of these creatures... LOL get real this is as real as nessy and other creatures created for the small minded to believe what they are told or show in a fuzzy video!!! LMAO GET A CLUE
IstivenI 2 months ago
@IstivenI
Shoulder pads CANNOT make the arms hang lower.
Shoulder pads CANNOT locate the elbow joint lower.
Shoulder pads CANNOT make the forearm shorter.
The creature in the PGF has arms that hang LOWER DOWN than a human's, the elbow joint is located LOWER DOWN than a human's and the forearms are SHORTER than a human's.
Shoulder pads can't achieve all this.
The fingers flex too and the elbow joint bends naturally.
Explain how a suit can do all that?
LaughingGravy31 2 months ago
@LaughingGravy31 Wow I laugh at your ignorance, if you have shoulder pads on under a costume it raised the shoulders and making it appear as though the elbow would be lower because you have raised the torso higher in appearance. Oh my I guess this is why I don't comment on sites like this, it shows the complete lack of knowledge and you have to spoon feed the information to people
IstivenI 1 month ago
@IstivenI
You fool.
The elbows do not 'appear' lower. They fucking well ARE lower, you ignorant dipshit.
The elbows are LOWER.
The arms are LONGER.
The forearms are SHORTER.
There are no shoulder pads giving an 'illusion' of all this. It's a fact. Measurements have been done via scientific analysis.
And arm extensions can't explain it because arm extensions would make the forearm longer, not shorter and the elbow bends and the fingers flex.
No suit. No shoulder pads. No arm extensions.
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago 7
@LaughingGravy31 Calm your shit, bro.
byakuya600 1 month ago
@byakuya600
I'm not your 'bro' and don't fvcking tell ME what to do.
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago
@LaughingGravy31 Umad. BRO?
byakuya600 1 month ago
@byakuya600
Yep. Mad AND angry.
So?
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago
@LaughingGravy31 You're getting emotional over the internet over some fat fuckwad in a suit. Rather pointless, don't you think, BRO?
byakuya600 1 month ago
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@byakuya600
You're taking a strange and bizarre interest in somebody "getting emotional over the internet over some fat fuckwad in a suit"
Rather pointless, don't you think?
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago
@LaughingGravy31 ....you totally forgot his football helmut!!!!
joeyvader 2 weeks ago
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@LaughingGravy31 ....you totally forgot his football helmut!!!!
joeyvader 2 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 It's also interesting to note the fact that the uploader of this video did not include Patty's legs: upon close examination of the Patterson footage, one can see that each leg bends to about a 90° angle each time before taking another step. Bob Heironimus' legs, in this footage at least, bend to at most a 70° angle. According to scientific analysis, this is the regular angle that human legs bend at; a person would show obvious signs of difficulty if trying to replicate it.
CH33F345 1 week ago
@CH33F345
Quite so. Bob Heironimus doesn't have the same leg angles as Patty. Nowhere near in fact.
We can see that Bob H actually locks his knees when he walks which Patty never does.
LaughingGravy31 1 week ago
@IstivenI
""we have satellite's and camera everywhere""
So how come over 50 planes remain missing from northern California to Alaska and have never been found...and they are unnatural big shiny metal things.
Why didn't a satellite spot Steve Fosset's missing plane, even though it was on open mountain slope. It was only because a hiker found his wallet lying there that his plane was discovered nearby.
Why wasn't DB Cooper and his stolen $200,000 ever found?
LaughingGravy31 2 months ago
Wow you have to be the most ignorant person I have ever read from, you really had to dig on the DB Cooper story didn't you, Ummm let me remind you that was over 30 years ago and moss and other things would have grow over the top of it. You are complete missing the target here, the police can detect criminals using satellites and your are cracking me up with the Fosset's plane, they knew where it was just because they didn't release the info so john public doesn't know they have surv that good
IstivenI 1 month ago
@IstivenI
You idiot.
Moss and other things over DB Cooper? So what do you think would cover bigfoot bones or bodies? Bright red blankets? A firework display?
And NOBODY knew where Steve Fosset's plane was. It wasn't found for a year and only then because a hiker found his ID card lying on the floor when he was hiking a trail. If that hiker didn't see the ID card, Fosset's plane would not have been found when it was.
Satellites did NOT 'discover' his plane so stop talking bullshit.
LaughingGravy31 1 month ago
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Leg bones don't match at all, don't need to be a professor to see that. There really is no one single thing on her body that'd match his, and no amount of suit padding is ever going to change that when #1 the legs are seen completely, and #2 her torso being much longer than his. So how does he function that upper body, those long arms swinging naturally from way up high on too broad shoulders. He can't, and that means it's not BobH or anybody else. This is BF anatomy, out of Tinseltown's reach.
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Good ol' Bob. Funny chap. Out for his ten minutes of fame and 'fortune'.
Walks with locked knees and completely straight legs.
Totally unlike Patty.
LaughingGravy31 2 months ago
If that was Bob in the suit, then he sure had a lot of stuffng in there wit him, in the legs, ass, and torso. Not to mention extensions on his arms.
DelusionTerminator 2 months ago 3
@DelusionTerminator The elbow on Patti seems to be in the middle of Bob's forearm, which would be a nice trick for an arm extension. Notice they don't show the legs, either.
TOMHYLE88 2 months ago
Methinks Bob Heironimus had an intense desire to be famous, so (being the loser he is) decided that this was the only way to go about it.
DelusionTerminator 2 months ago 3
this is a video of bigfoot walking next to a giant liar
SuperTestfreak 2 months ago 7
BOB , BOB ...HEY MR HEIRONIMUS , I DONT SEE YOUR BIG BUNCH OF KEYS THAT YOU ALWAYS CARRY ON YOU...oops silly me..its obvious thar heironimus is fat , lying cunt...he aint a good lover like me
Jrld11 2 months ago 5
So this is how a douchbag walks.
xTHUNDERCLEASx 2 months ago 2
Sure, they're still there. That has no bearing on the film, it just shows one of these beings.
reclaimerReclaimer 2 months ago 3
lets say the PGF was never released, lets say it never became public knowledge, do you really think there would be as many supposed sighting today?
Diefenbaker02 2 months ago
I'm looking at proportions. This is edited (legs cut off) to make it look like Patty and Bob are same height. Patty has MUCH larger torso and thicker more robust legs. Bob looks like a pumpkin on stilts. He also would have been thinner in his youth. Patty walks with flexed legs, Bob has straight legs. In my opinion, Patty looks much larger and bulkier than Bob. If she was a man in a suit, I think it was different man.
Also, anyone can copy a gait they have studied.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago 8
Either Bigfoot is real and this is footage of it, or it's a truly extraordinary hoax, probably the best ever. The intricate details with the muscles, arm extensions, the breasts, the natural uneven fur are all beautifully executed, it's interesting that they went to all that effort to include those details that wouldn't become clear to the public until decades later when the film is zoomed, stabilised and enhanced. Both possibilities are pretty amazing and fascinating.
stonenz111 2 months ago
@stonenz111 you just said a mouthfull,why would you go to the trouble whith every little detail not being aware how you could zoom in the image in the future.
SuperTestfreak 2 months ago
Hollywood basically doesn't know what's going on in the subject BF, they think they wrote the plot and have the rights to monsters. They've always thought, putting tall guys in longhaired suit's enough and we'll buy it. Fun in a film, but it's not how reality is. Reality is the BF anatomy's more apelike, longer torso shorter legs, we're the other way around. That's why suits always look like tall guys, it's the only way to do it for us. And it's why Patty and Marble Mountain's build/gait's real.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago 19
Most people just won't accept these Sasquatch beings are out there, so how can they believe what they're seeing in the PGF's anything but a hoax? People don't really want to think it's true, that they're actually watching the real thing, so the block of denial comes up. A safety mode, that's all, fear of the unknown and their own place in the greater scheme of things. Everyday life's complicated enough as it is for many, and now this. lol
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago 17
What this sides argument basically is that a rodeo guy, who was also an evil genius in his part time, somehow got together with other geniuses and faked something on a 16mm camera we cannot adequately duplicate today! Using a 1967 monkey suit and stuff lying around in the tack room. Which is astounding, because that makes them better than Hollywood special effects guys of this era. Ohh sure, they'll claim they can do it, shoot it on 16mm and get back to us! We need a laugh.
OptifIex 3 months ago
They constantly focus on the stride, instead of the arm! You really think a bunch of cowpokes back in 67 thought of arm extensions? Bendable arm extensions that would require your fore arm being broken in the middle to work?
Grant on Ghost Hunters tried a hoax on their halloween special. It was pretty convincing until experts looked at it. And spotted all the things a plumber wouldn't think of! You want to believe rodeo clowns thought of everything? Really?
OptifIex 3 months ago
@OptifIex i have been saying this about the arms all along,they are the proof the film is real,the elbow joint is well below were a human in a suits elbow would be,if you use extensions all the extra length is put on the forearm and the humans elbows bend in the suit were the humans elbows are,this is the one and only real footage of bigfoot
SuperTestfreak 3 months ago
part one:
As is constantly pointed out by analysis of this his arm just isn't long enough to pull this off.It's not even close, it's FAR too short to pull this off. A large primate with a long torso and shorter legs can conceivable be duplicated in stride. But the arms can't be. Another thing is if you are screwed out of $1000 do YOU wait 30+ years to mention it? Let's do a character comparison. He tries to say he kept quite all that time out of some sense of honorably, or whatever.
OptifIex 3 months ago
But he wasn't to honorable to go along with a hoax in the first place? Does that make sense? Granted, practically everybody involved on either side is kind of an idiot. But idiots can stumble upon something and film it. An angry, cop hating crack dealer could conceivable film a police brutality film, nobody would dismiss it because he had an agenda. Unless they could prove he faked it. The disclaimers want to dispute this, however the arm can't be explained. Explain the arm length?
OptifIex 3 months ago
Yea the original suit was ditched - they put a lot of work into that fake - the suit had arm extensions - Now idiotic morons want the fakers to put as much work into making a new fake suit to show exactly how it was done -- Ok, you jerks foot the bill, but for real it is case closed. Bob is the fake Big Foot.
ungertron 3 months ago
@ungertron bob h has zero proof that he is the patterson bigfoot,who would wait 30 plus years to come out whith it?would you?the elbow joint is below were a human in a suits would be
SuperTestfreak 3 months ago
Bob is bulit like and walks just like Bigfoot...whadda surprise!!!
alternatehistories 3 months ago
MONEY HUNGRY OLD FUCK
straightme1 3 months ago
Bob H still walks just like he did in the other film he was in. Broke Back Mountain. Drunk old man is full of shit!!!!!!!!
Arrowhead1ful 3 months ago
where is the big foot?
Echoo51 3 months ago
Stop the video and notice the huge difference in the length of the arms, also stride is much longer than the mans, and why the heck does he have breasts?
OldScuff1 3 months ago
where is the suit
jaynkay4 3 months ago
It's too bad the subject is largely the trashy tabloid's darling, obviously that's why only so few scientists stick their neck out, when there's every reason for their open mind to deal with it. Instead they've become afraid of their own shadow, resulting in closed minds, so for a good part of the science community we're right back at the old world views of flat Earth, etc. They fear ridicule because the media prefers the superficial monster coverage.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago
The weird thing is, if it is a suit that they managed to turn a guy with a short torso and long legs into a creature with a long torso and short legs, would've been easier to find a tall guy with a long torso instead.
stonenz111 3 months ago
conveniently patties full legs are not shown in comparison
KISSARMYHQHD 3 months ago
"Bob" sucks, and either way .
KISSARMYHQHD 3 months ago
Yes, no fake shoulder pads could do this because they always extend out from the shoulders, leaving the arms still stuck to the body. Goes without saying. Unless you cut off his arms of course, but I doub't even a hick like BobH would go that far. Yet these arms swing naturally, from way up high on a torso much longer than his own, so the bottom line is he could not reach either way not up there or outwards. There are so many points on Patty proving her a genuine BF, hoax idea's just ridiculous.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago
Pause at 00:11 proportions are completely different, the bigfoots right arm extends back much further, look how much lower on the body the left arm comes out, look at the angle of the thigh, he doesn't have a long enough torso to bend that way. Nothing alike.
stonenz111 3 months ago
I am a professional geologist. The sasquatch is rare, intelligent, and likely gregarious (hang out together). If one is isolated and dies, the acid soils and predators immediately break it down.The aerial (oxygen-rich) environment does not preserve bones- only an environment with fast burial and lack of oxygen (relatively rare) will preserve the bones.The sasquatch is apparently doing whatever it takes as a survival mechanism that allows it to be elusive and defy logic.Life is not so simple!
rockstarzep 3 months ago
@rockstarzep And how would you know this if you never seen any bones or a body? Stop making of things you yourself or anybody else that never had the chance to examine one, all you are doing is making assumptions until you can prove what you say we don't care your a professional geologist. Now please explain the lockness monster and aliens also, they have never been found, no bones, body, nothing, all is hear say, sorry just dont believe it until you can show proof besides fake foot prints.
blackstersherron 3 months ago
@blackstersherron I wanted to say that I am a professional geologist because I know about the bone preservation thing greatly to say the least. I don't believe in the loch ness monster, never did. Not sure about aliens- never researched it like bigfoot. You have to research and not rely on chatter and poor sources. Many footprints are fake, but there are hundreds deemed authentic and their size versus occurence were plotted and demonstrated a natural population- very very unlikely hoaxed.
rockstarzep 3 months ago
Right rockstarzep, but sadly no surprise so many bozos fall for anything so superficial, as some old fool thinking he'll make some money this way. It's a free ride after all, or so most people think, that since BFs probably don't exist as we're told it can't hurt to tell a big lie. A lot of goons have another thing coming though. lol The old no bones question; since the beings are so humanlike, obviously intelligent and possibly some primitive human species with a language, they could bury them.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago
And no, Bob Hearsayimanass does not walk like the creature in the film. Patty walks with what is called a compliant gate and doen't lock the knees (which are conveniently cut out).The nonlocking knees are designed for a heavy creature. The feet are designed flexible for the wilderness.The footprints measured 14.5 inches. By proportion as you can see in the bigfoot sasquatch evidence video where the frame is frozen showing the feet, the height of Patty is 14.5 X 6 = 87 inches = 7 ft 3 inches.
rockstarzep 3 months ago
Wrong, Jimmy. It's not fake and that's been proven fact numerous times by now, you just look in the wrong places. As do Bigfoot searchers, I guess. lol It's got nothing to do with technology, yes, this is still the best footage because the situation for filming the encounter was right. She was out in the open, mostly with people around they won't be. Besides, can't be faked because of our anatomy (restrictions) vs. 7ft. Sasquatches. Guys, film's no hoax, you're indeed looking at the real deal.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago
@reclaimerReclaimer U do know that bob h went on tv and past the polygraph and u do know the owners of the pgf makes a shit load of money 4 all who wants 2 c and use the film, its a big cover up its not real my friend just a bunch of people making money off a bunch of dumb asses who would believe any thing. If that was the case how come no bones are bodies of a big foot has been ever found? Because there is no such thing, there is no way you can tell me a 7ft animal body has never been found.
blackstersherron 3 months ago
@blackstersherron I hunt. And I am in the woods a lot. Have you ever been in the woods for more than a camping trip? How many bear skeletons and moose etc have u found? Well I hunt in areas that have high populations of bear and moose,both of which are very big animals...Yet in 22 years,I have never found a bear skeleton or a moose skeleton. Nature takes care of these things. Bugs,weather,soil....they all effect how long something lasts once it is dead.
curtman81 3 months ago
@curtman81 1000% true well put you clearly know your stuff
LeebeKing 3 months ago
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Dr. Melba Ketchum update: I thought we would be finished in a few weeks, but instead, Sasquatch threw us curve balls even with their DNA which can be as elusive as they are.We are past that! As a result, we have assembled a renowned team, each of us with our own specialties to make this project "extraordinary".If everyone will hang in there, I promise it will be worth the wait. We have the proof, now just give us the opportunity to present it in a form that will even convince skeptics.
rockstarzep 3 months ago
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Yeah its fake, but a good one! People like Matt moneymaker are just after that MONEY and Ratings!
5tonyvvvv 3 months ago
its a fake. They set out to capture Bigfoot, and they did. Very convenient. With all the cameras and technology that we wave now, don't you think we'd have something better. THIS is the best we got? Especially now that we know the bluff creek footprints were faked. The real mystery is how can anyone with a brain think the Patterson film is a real bigfoot.
gurn73 3 months ago
@gurn73 Yeah its fake, but a good one! People like Matt moneymaker are just after that MONEY and Ratings!
5tonyvvvv 3 months ago
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@5tonyvvvv Sasquatch are as real as the nose on your face.
TheSteamLocomotive 3 months ago
@gurn73 Thanks my friend sum1 with common sense, just like they said there is life form in outer space, all the filming they have done, and u mean 2 tell me not 1 alien in his space ship passed by the camera? No aliens sat in camera view 2 take a break from flying or walking? LOL! Its funny how people would think a 7 foot big foot only leaves prints but never found, no bones, no body at all, but yet and still people believe its real that's why pgf is making thousands off of dumb asses.
blackstersherron 3 months ago
I'm pretty much a skeptic, but if you pause it, the differences are actually pretty big. Like the hight of the knee & the back swing of the arm.
mosey154 3 months ago
This guy's proportions are totally off if he says he was in a Bigfoot suit.
For starters his legs are WAY longer than Bigfoot's in the original video (notice the legs are missing in this video's super imposing).
The creature in the video has longer arms and shorter feet plus this Bob H guy walks much faster than the creature in the video did.
In a recent documentary from 2009, after figuring the camera lens and distance from target, the creature is estimated to be over 7ft. Bob is barley 6ft.
Tenucha 3 months ago
Additionally... if he really was in a suit than that suit was ahead of its time, not to mention how off the proportions would be altogether. He's already 6', the creature is estimated to be no more than 7'7".
Recent investigations on the video would show that no man could even fit in the lower part of the suit and walk the way it does in the film. for him to be wearing some kind of football gear or whatever, I would think, would limit his mobility, which would show in the video...
Tenucha 3 months ago
Typical. On 1 hand you can see muscle, facial, movements etc. but bring up the glass eye and they just talk about some other mumbo jumbo... Show me the suit.. Lol what kind of argument is that? You shouldn't be asking anyone to show you anything when there is nothing you can show yourself. Why don't they ever do a show proving why it's fake? Because everyone already knows..
ffmcmav40 3 months ago
Bob Heironimus is a liar - jealous of Patterson and Gimlin, and thought he could cash in on some publicity for himself. One question - if it was him, where is the suit? Put it on, and demonstrate for us how the creature in the film is the same as you with a gorilla suit on. Huh? Come on... It shouldn't be that tough...
grejambri 3 months ago
While I admit Bob's walk is very eerily similar the long arms does pose a problem. Have you ever seen the show Yo Gabba Gabba? The little green one Brobee also has some very strange long arms, extremely disproportionate. Possibly related to a Bigfoot? I've seen him tree peak on the show and he likes to dance.
ffmcmav40 3 months ago
@ffmcmav40 Extension in gorillas films go far back beyond the 67 filming of this one...typical were arm extensions nothing new or recent...that is not a difficult thing to do...I saw pics of Mr. H. when he was young at the time of his claims and was built like football player...also he new Roger and Bob and pics prove it with a movie Roger was trying to make...Roger P was trying to break into hollywood and later sold this famous film footage for $50,000 in 1976...that was a fortune..
1927Norma 3 months ago
@ffmcmav40 SorryI meant 1967..again Bob H. could be lying but the glass right eye that MK Davis film footage shows...I believe this is a hoaxed film and terribly unreilable for any claims...my point if this creature still exists we shouldn't need this film anyway.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma I totally agree why is it that no one ever refutes the glass eye? And if it is a real glass eye, well that kind of ends the argument...
ffmcmav40 3 months ago
@ffmcmav40 Agreed...I would truly truly love this film to be true but it is not..frankly it breaks my heart to come to that objective realization...but again that doesn't mean the creature is not real...but without the Patterson film things and hopes do drop a lot. But I will sit and wait and see what else investigators can produce. :)
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma Its not real,there is no way something that big is living around us and we never found anything other then foot prints and fake vids, come on we can catch the fastest land animal running on camera the cheetah but we cant find a causal walking big foot? LOL! It's not real as nosy and curious as humans are about wild life, spending months in the jungles all over the world they would of found a big foot already. So use your brain and think, there is no big foot.
blackstersherron 3 months ago
@blackstersherron Oh ya,I forgot....We as humans know everything about our natural world and know every living species here....Mankind is discovering new species every day. take our oceans for instance. We know no where near all the species in them. We are a very ignorant and arrogant species. Saying "there is no Big foot" simply because you say so proves this ignorance. New species of apes,Big Cats,etc are being found across the globe now. NEVER will we know everything about this planet.
curtman81 3 months ago
lol
reclaimerReclaimer 4 months ago
comparing bob h to patty is like comparing a great lover like me , to an ugly spotty virgin like retro.... oooh yeah
Jrld11 4 months ago
It's Bob HeironimuLIAR.
GhostofDuma 4 months ago
Bob Hearsayimanass should go as bigfoot on Halloween. He can use the claimed suit or the suti in this video.
rockstarzep 4 months ago
BobH aka Mr. Too Short Torso, strutting along pretending to be a Bigfoot... It's really quite pathetic when you think about it, how someone's so desperate to get in the tabloids, they'll lie about wearing a fake hairy Bigfoot suit with tits on, thinking it's a free ride they can get away as media stunt because 'most people don't believe they exist anyway, or they'll never be found'... lol
reclaimerReclaimer 4 months ago
@reclaimerReclaimer this video is bigfoot walking next to a filthy liar lol
SuperTestfreak 4 months ago
You're really funny in the wrong way, retroll. 'Apesuit'. lol
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago 2
They could send humans to the Moon in the 1960s but they couldn't make an apesuit that looks semi realistic on grainy film from a distance?
You guys are hilarious.
asynchronicity 5 months ago
Stop spamming retroller, or you'll end up being be blocked here.
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago
What's komo. Stop spamming, retroll.
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago
Stop spamming retroll and get a life.
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago
Ditto, retroll, ditto. You need to get your priorities in life straight.
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago
You're not real retroll, I keep reminding myself that, haha. You're just a poor trolling fool.
reclaimerReclaimer 5 months ago
I must admit, the idea of "Bigfoot" seems a bit fringe to me. But I will say that I approach EVERYTHING with skepticism, yet an open mind.
Many seem to have heavy "ego investment" in the official paradigm, AND in alternative concepts. Denial comes, when the ego investment is too deep to reconcile one's "held" world view with new information that would alter their current "belief". Sometimes a person's ego will protect them from having to admit that they may have been duped into something false.
TheNeoamor 5 months ago 2
@TheNeoamor skepticism is the longest word that alternates hands when u type it. :)
Spike579 5 months ago