How not to use the Mind

[doggystyle040]

The last minute was put in to confuse you.

[Vitaminnn07]

i think it's from discourse "do you do it, or does it do you"

[jazzaste123]

ACE

[ijblseries]

How do you make these cool effects?

[shanitkd]

brain and body work more efficient when they are relaxed and not tensed. i am doing taekwondo, and i see how beginners tend to be very tensed, which makes them very slow to react and move, whereas professional sportsmen are relaxed which makes them fast and powerful.

[shanitkd]

when i am trying to understand theacademic book or write an assignmnet, i find it much easier when i relax my mind and let it go smoothly, without squeesing my brain muscules. just let it go, fly by itself, don't think that when u r trying hard to think - u r actually thinking, u r not, u r just damaging nerve cells in ur brain. i always believed in that and very surprised to see this video.

[funkyflea89]

love the visuals!

[PapaWilk]

Watts: Life's not prickles or goo, it's prickly goo and gooey prickles, just as our awareness is an amalgam of the brain as an organ and the "the conscious mind." two distinct concepts.

n-transmitters can dictate how you feel physiologically, but they can't regard themselves outside the prism of societal convention. This unusual task is better left to the mind and when accomplished, the ideas that arise ARE real. They are not bursts of seratonin/dopamine. They can be discussed and recounted.

[PapaWilk]

2.) And you have every right to reject them from your own worldview, but to proclaim that they don't even exist, that ideas/insights haven't been generated while under the influence of drugs is just silly. Music, art, and philosophy have all been influenced by such thinkers. This is a hard fact of history.

You can hold your own opinion regarding the value of these ideas and insights. It's an entirely separate issue and it's not one which I elected to discuss with you.

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk

Actually I'm not arguing about art produced under drugs since art doesn't make claims about objecive reality.

I'm arguing against claims of insight about reality, which usualy take the form of some new philosofic statement.

When it doesn't turn out to be utter rubbish it's ridiliculously tautological stuff. But their real weakness is the lack of any sort of experimental or logical methodology.

[PapaWilk]

I don't maintain that drugs, in and of themselves, teach you anything about the nature of reality but that they can be used as tools to help your mind do the work.

Take utensils: chopsticks don't make you feel full. They lift the food to your mouth but you're the one doing the eating. And so you can do the same thing with a fork. And maybe you'll harm yourself (these things have been known to happen) The question is whether you trust yourself with a fork, not whether it feeds you.

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk Well that's much better, I think we reached agreement.

[PapaWilk]

I'll keep an eye out for your posts. You've got a keen mind.

[CheckinGagaiNagain]

@PapaWilk

The fOrk dOesn't feed yOu!

The fOOd dOes:)

[CheckinGagaiNagain]

@rgzdev

yOu mean cOmmOn sense!

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk "n-transmitters can dictate how you feel physiologically, but they can't regard themselves outside the prism of societal convention."

Er... neuro transmitters are part of the machinery of the mind, but harldy dictate anything of by themselves, they only make sense in the context of the neuronal circuits where they operate.

Don't know where are you going with this...

[VaughnVI]

This guy is a great teacher lecturer. Love to get more of his stuff to listen too. Who is it BFTCal?

[kasp84]

The most important video I've ever watched!

where are you BFTCaL?

[congareee]

He makes sense to me. Musicians know they make the best music not when they are straining to make music but when they relax and just let it flow out of them. Same thing with art and writing. Even Jesus was onto this when he said, "Consider the lilies of the field: they neither toil nor spin and yet they are clothed." Life does not require anything more than just doing what comes naturally.

[doford]

This is interesting but it's just wrong. He's using manipulation to pretend that certain things we experience don't exist. He's just silly. If humans always thought like this we would have never evolved.

[Umbalafum]

I would call it - living by "coincidence" .

it doesn't mean that certain things don't exist, they are simply irrelevant and make place for relevant things to be attracted to our life (which we may experience happily as coincidences). It needs courage to have no fear -

and then further exist the question - in which way we have evolved at all.

[nuss86]

more like drop acid, or do shrooms in the park, or with nature, and your IQ will not be an issue of relevence, and you will become one, instead of thinking everything you see, and feel, as real. because "reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one". Albert Einstein.

[rgzdev]

@partylwc it's worse, awe, insight and transcendent are just buttons in your head, they are supposed to pushed by discoveries but drugs skip that and just push them directly... -hard-

So junkies come and preach about the awe, the revelation, the oneness, but there is nothing there. Just the feelings of revelation and awe.

I'd rather search for real insight than being content with the feeling of insight.

[PapaWilk]

It's not false insight. Terrence McKenna explains that you're not naked when you take off your clothes. You still where your religious assumptions, your prejudices etc. When you take an entheneogen, you shed everything. And that is why new ways of thinking come so easily to "junkies" (I don't think you can be a mushroom or LSD junkie, as neither are physiologically addictive. The word "junkie" is reserved for the sort of drug that one becomes physically dependent on)

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk I content 2 issues with that

1) "When you take an entheneogen, you shed everything" seems false, a "patient" experiments hallucinations that may include distorted versions of real objects indicating that their memory is still active and I see no reason why visual or aural memories are involved and not cultural ones, that's arbitrary.

Then is the fact that their post-hoc interpretation will undeniably be culturally shaded.

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk

2) 'And that is why new ways of thinking come so easily to "junkies"' even if that were true (and I explained why doubt it)

Thought unrestrained by experience is not necessarily insightful like words randomly scattered won't necessarily form a book (and most probably won't).

What you *should* know by now is that the very feeling of finding insight is fired randomly by these drugs, what were you expecting? Are you really surprised you feel like you found insight that way?

[PapaWilk]

How can you champion the notion of "experience" when you have none with entheneogens? You speak of the "feeling of insight" as if it can be elicited without a subject. But it can't be done. You can induce nausea or giddiness but insight is more than a tickle or a belly ache. It has intellectual and experiential backing.

The insight is what people bring back with them. Saying it's false is the same as closing your eyes and saying "la, la, la... I can't hear you." It's silly

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk 'You speak of the "feeling of insight" as if it can be elicited without a subject.'

Because it can, it's a hard fact of neurology, bite it.

"How can you champion the notion of "experience" when you have none with entheneogens?"

Typical, never fails, but a drug user dare to take drugs is like a blind guy daring you to stub your eyes out so you can realize the world is dark.

You are tampering with your perceptions.

Come on, tell me something drugs though you, let's dissect it...

[PapaWilk]

I hardly consider you an authority on this issue And would require further persuasion regarding your mastery of neurology.

The comparison between a "drug user" and a blind man is hyperbolic and unfair in that a responsible psychonaut is not in peril and doesn't stand to lose anything.

I already mentioned one insight and defined the word for you. I should think that an experience of the sort I described would qualify as an insight, whether or not you poo poo the method by which it is realized.

[rgzdev]

@PapaWilk You don't need to be an authority to know stuff.

While researching online for the Deja-Vu effect I found it's caused by a delay between the conscious acquisition of information and the feeling of familiarity. The feeling of familiarity is independent from any actually familiar event.

But really, that's just the way our brain processes emotions, experimenting an emotion not of our brain is like observing not with eyes.

Unless you argue for a supernatural side to conscientiousness...

[PapaWilk]

that is a valid point of view. But I wonder whether you've tried LSD yourself.

[Fliping187]

I agree 100%

[8916420]

were not in the 80's and this aint the breakfast club dope means heroin nowadays

[austpom333]

Yep, sit back and let it all come to you.

[form0011]

really?, this guys should take his own advice

[rabbitshirt]

Ah ah! You're not watching yourself . . .

[binary132]

i love this visualizer, what is it?

[binary132]

it's not measurable in cycles like that...

[MihiLibertas]

That's because you hear, but you don't listen..

[caucassun]

What truth it is!!!

[barreraisaac]

Well, I begun seeing it ...and within the video was running... I found out it was these kinds of selfmotivation speeches; but at the end, that´s something completely true!

In some how, I knew about the theory in adavance, but now, I believe it!

This can make chance your life, believe it!

[DimebagVision]

How to NOT use the mind?

Don't think!

LMFAO!

[kristinspage2]

How NOT to use the mind as in

the negative(s), not the presumption.

And besides, even if you stopped thinking, your mind would still be processing.

[thegorilla69]

think of all the reasons why you shouldn't have an on going perspective.

[Robikus]

I've read some of his work, this is the first I've heard his voice. He sounds like Number 6.

[LothairApoclyane]

He sounds like what?

[Robikus]

29JewlGsYxs check out that youtube vid, you will see and hear Number 6 from The Prisoner. And be sure to prepare yourself for just a bit of weirdness. Be seeing you.

[gypster2004]

I love these visuals... how are they made?

[HaxxBlaster]

Winamp visual-plugin i believe. Milkdrop is one of those that come with the player.

[batterypack0973]

what did he say in the beginning? Who says to people?

[BFTCaL]

Krishnamurti

[programedmind]

@batterypack0973 vis or fishnamody vishnamoy i think lol

[kasp84]

where can I get more of this specific lecture?

[BFTCaL]

Alan watts out of your mind cd set.

[kasp84]

great

[1966BOBBY]

Thanks for this share yolanda - love, love, love this man.

Thanks BFTCal. Peace and Love to all.

[ThaRussian]

"when you try hard that's when you die hard"

-Kanye West

[hopeforamerika]

Great! I love Alan Watts.

[aodscarecrow]

Outstanding!

[buzjaz]

Powerful stuff. Sounds so simple in a way and it is, but yet so hard to do.

Great video thanks, and thanks aodscarecrow for the share

[ScottishViking77]

Great post. Thanks for the share fyvm.

[iMBBonlyone]

ooh big thunder crashed outside. never mind what i was going to say i'm going out to watch the night storm

[knutervalve64]

i will need to reply tomorrow /today again when i can think better .peace 4 now

[fckuvrymch]

i love alan watts!!!

very important stuff, tony.

:)

[dellsprospects22]

so no more repeatedly watching video's, lol?