Jesus, Savior of all men especially believers

[eternityeverlasting1]

Mat 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luk 13:23-24 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, STRIVE TO ENTER IN AT THE STRAIT GATE: FOR MANY, I SAY UNTO YOU, WILL SEEK TO ENTER IN, AND SHALL NOT BE ABLE.

Word from JESUS HIMSELF.

[ObtainTheGlory]

So what do you make of people being tormented in the presence of holy angels forever?

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever..

Also you said Paul didn't teach eternal punishment.

What about 2 thess 1:8-9?

[jvsm1971]

John 12:32 "And when I am lifted up from the earth I SHALL DRAW ALL MEN unto Myself".

[whatthehellbook]

God is the Savior of all men, especially those who believe- Paul in 1 Timothy 4:10... That's like saying track is for everyone, especially for those who like to run. Jesus is the Savior of all, especially for those who trust in Him. God's grace & mercy will win out over everything else in the end, after His judgment. Those who reject God will face Him on judgment day but God will not write them off forever.

whatthehellbook . com

[tentmaker777]

@Katsumotothesamurai If you visit tentmaker ministries on the internet and use the contact button, send me an email and I would be happy to talk with you about your nightmares. What is your religious background?

[davidbrucemusicvideo]

@Katsumotothesamurai

You need to calm down. I've talked with you about this and told you we can talk about it privately. Privately email me as to how to contact you on skype or phone. Having dreams doesn't nullify the verses in the bible that say the opposite of what you were taught and believe. Please don't comment back here. Email me or Gary, on this site, privately. He's a great man! :-)

Sorry, Gary. This is someone I started sharing with, but they've kinda went off the deep end.

[LambAndTheDragon]

"Especially" is qualifying the first statement, "Jesus is the saviour of all men."

To those who believe, Jesus is especially the saviour of all men.

Most will be lost = Zero faith in Christ = Full faith in the power of Adam

So songs and hymns praising Christ make no sense when sung by those who believe most will be lost. Adam should be glorified in the songs instead. This would only make math sense.

Most will be lost = Adam 100 Christ 2 = Christ loses BY FAR

[LambAndTheDragon]

@LambAndTheDragon Or, "To those who believe especially, Jesus is the saviour of all men."

[LifeIsABigPuzzle]

What about the scripture that says angels cover their heads and feet? They proclaim "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty!"? A lot of Christians believe that it suggests that before anything else, God is holy. And there are scriptures that say that the beast, false prophet, and antichrist will be tortured day and night forever and ever. Thankfully, the people who receive the mark of the beast will be killed. But there are scriptures that say a lot of different things.

[tentmaker777]

@LifeIsABigPuzzle

What does holy mean? It means God is separate but in what way? All men are liars, every one of us. God is NOT a man that He should lie. God said He would save all mankind. He will do what he said. His are in NOT too short to save. believe it.

[tentmaker777]

@LifeIsABigPuzzle

Watch the video on the tentmaker777 channel entitled "Tested in the lake of fire."

[jaikala]

Gary, I'm happy to see that you realize that some of the nastier parts of the Bible are a lie.

If those parts are suspect, wouldn't it make sense that ALL of it is suspect?

Think about it.

[tentmaker777]

@jaikala

Actually when looking at other ancient texts, the transmission of Biblical texts is FAR superior to the transmission of others. The problem doesn't lie so much in the text as in the translating. Think about it.

[SwordofManticorE]

I once believed in the doctrines created by the great whore, and I was dead in fear. Now I know what God's real plan is for all men, I have developed a compasion for all ppl that I never had before. I now believe in the only doctrine Paul taught. The doctrine of life.

[judaemic]

Its a good thing someone out there has the strenght to speak of Gods redemptive plan. But its an awful shame people need to attack these videos.

[RadicalWhig]

In some dialects of British English, "specially" is used. e.g. "I baked a cake specially for you" (i.e. I didn't bake it for anyone else).

[Fleshissin]

@RadicalWhig So, I guess that the only thing this proves(If you are indeed correct)is that IF the bible was originally written in British English, then we could read 1 Tim 4:10 as, "Jesus is EXCLUSIVELY the Savior of all men." But fortunately, the new testament was written in greek, not British English. The word "specially" in greek is malista, and it means "especially," or, "chiefly," carrying a meaning of a part of a group that's given something special ABOVE the rest

[Fleshissin]

The factor that determines a word's meaning is not only etymology, but its usage IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IT'S SPOKEN IN. "Malista" is also used in 8 other verses in the NT. Here's one example, Paul writes to Timothy in 2 Tim 4:13 and asks him to bring him his cloak, and his books...ESPECIALLY(Malista)the parchments. Paul did not mean to ONLY bring the parchments, but that he wanted Timothy to know that he does want the books, but make a CHIEF effort to bring the parchments

[YOUTUBBIE777]

@Fleshissin

Such a simple explanation/proof; and yet so very true.

More proof:

People also read this easy reading free book: tentmaker#org/books/Prevailing­.html

Lots of quotes from our church fathers in the first 3 centuries after Christ.

All, yes ALL, believed in universal salvation.

Forum: tentmaker#org/forum/index.php

Books proving UR: tentmaker#org/ScholarsCorner.h­tml

#=.

[111256able]

What will you say when Jesus in his second coming says that he is not "son" of God and that he is only a Prophet of God?What will your reaction be when he says that he was not the one crucified on the cross? Will You kill Jesus when you realised that Jesus is not a whiteman?

[GODISUNIVERSAL]

Lol i remember when my pastor tried to explain what Paul meant when he said 'especially'....Im sure we all have those memories!

What does especially mean?

It means (drumroll........) dun dun dun!.....

...........ESPECIALLY!!!!!

So simple a child can grasp it, but the wise and learned???? .... Forget it.

[ryanvh1]

Beginning early in 2009, the good news that God has shared through Gary's work fills my soul with hope and joy. I hope the true good news spreads like wildfire.

[thoughtmocker]

Hey Flesshissin... you see the silliness here right? :)

[Fleshissin]

Yeah, I see the silliness here thoughtmocker...and it's mostly coming from you I regret to say! :(

[thoughtmocker]

Fleshissin,

I read your other post...makes sense now why your ignorant...no probs don't worry about.

Cheers

[TreblePop]

Awesome explanation!

[thoughtmocker]

I guess I need to be the one asking YOU questions, since you apparently know it all! ;)

What? Really? you have to go there?that seems to be a tad of an overstatement...lol ya thats what i was saying "I know it all" (said sarcastically if you require tone)

[thoughtmocker]

and you see few are chosen themes because you are of calvinist persuasion which i am not... it ties up your universe and explains things for you...thats cool i guess i won't pass jusdgment on your theology it only matters if you believe it. But when you talk dumb and then try to "teach me" (weather that is your intent or not)i will mock your thoughts ;)

[XposeTheLie]

"But when you talk dumb and then try to "teach me"(whether that is your intent or not)i will mock your thoughts"

Hence the name "thoughtmocker", right? Wow, I guess you sure told ME off! Hey, not to worry. I wasn't trying to teach you. In fact, I wouldn't have even SEEN your childish rant if Flessissin didn't ask the question he asked me. My intention when I comment on here is to help those read them. I was well aware that you had your own agenda and opinion, even though it's wrong! ;)

[XposeTheLie]

Bring on some more biting and satirical comments and show everyone how "intelligent" you are. I for one will make sure that I won't visit this video again. It's always nice to get the last word in, and this time I'll KEEP it that way. ;)

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

You do have some good Biblical arguments, I'll give you that. but you know what?? You will NEVER know the REAL TRUTH behind them. why?? You have turned you back to the Real Truth. that's why. Your problem is you think FAR too fundamentally. You have exchanged the Real Gospel for a People Pleasing one. you stand by a Doctrine that is only 50% sound, and 50% CRITICALLY UNSOUND, it's that critically unsound half that you need to change. God wants all to be saved, but He is a Just God too,remember!,

[thoughtmocker]

ya see thats what im talking about....your trying to take a timeless truth where there is none...you need to study better...please dont confuse my lack of knowledge of universalism with lack of depth of scripture....if you knew full well about the parable of lazarus then you would clearly see that there is no many called/few chosen....if you read the 4 previous parables it is VERY clear that he wants to refine the jews and include the gentiles....you are sounding like a calvinist universalist

[XposeTheLie]

"ya see thats what im talking about....your trying to take a timeless truth where there is none"

Ok, you're very confusing. I'm not even sure what you're talking about "timeless truth." But regardless, I guess I need to be the one asking YOU questions, since you apparently know it all! ;) But whether you like it or not, the gist of Jesus parables are MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN. "Timeless" truth or not, it's still true!

[thoughtmocker]

you expose yourself as dumb with that i cant understand parables if i don't understand the parable of the sower?please! if i never heard that parable yet i read the prodigal son... i cant understand it? that's dumb...your trying to take the saying of jesus as literal or a "timeless truth" that if ya dont understand this story you wont understand the others.he's not talking to you or i ...i do understand parables and it's not b/c i understand the parable of the sower first and foremost

[Fleshissin]

Xpose, I'm just coming into grips with the parables, so if you could tell me, how is it that all the parables indicate that Jesus is saying many are called, but few are chosen?

[XposeTheLie]

Hi Fleshssin. The key to understanding the parables is to first know that Jesus spoke parables so that the multitude would not understand him(Matt 13). The parables are STILL effective today, as most people who profess to be Christians STILL don't have a clue as to what the gospel of the Kingdom of God is, and most people(Like my good buddy "thoughtmocker") take vehement offense to the fact that they don't understand the parables.

[XposeTheLie]

The parable that I mentioned earlier is in Mark 4:13. The disciples didn't understand the parable of the sower. Jesus reprimanded them, telling them that if they didn't understand THAT parable, they wouldn't understand ANY parable. Again, the parables all spoke of the kingdom of God and its operation in God's plan. The main thing to get out of the parables is MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN. God chooses his elect out of the MANY, and his purpose for the elect is to reign with Christ for the

[XposeTheLie]

millenium. There were other different themes in the parables that Jesus spoke, e.g. the Rich man and Lazarus, the parable of the lost coin, the prodigal son, etc. Again, they all refer to the kingdom of God, the fact that it's within us, and that HE is the one choosing who will be his elect

[XposeTheLie]

flesshissin, if you have any other questions, PM me

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

I'll be happy to explain this. Ephesians.1:v3-23.God has ALREADY DECIDED all are Chosen to recieve the Gift of Salvation by His son, Jesus Christ. this is the 'Many are called" part. However even though Faith, Grace, and Salvation are Gifts from God not all have accepted God. We have to make the "Decision" to answer that call..It must come from OUSELVES, OUR HEARTS or else How can that Faith in God we answer with be real? We must look at Parables with our Hearts,Fatih,and Spirit,then it's clear.

[Fleshissin]

Thank you for trying to explain this. I dont believe we choose Christ, he chooses us, and the bible says so. We supply nothing for our salvation, because all faith that is given to men is a gift of God. The only thing that comes from our hearts is evil and wickedness apart from Gods saving grace. A drowning person cannot choose to save himself, he must be rescued by a lifeguard. Similarly, God will rescue all those who are drowning in the sea of sin and that is everybody

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

Even though all the apostles read the Torah and knew of the prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, only Simon Peter saw Jesus Christ performing the miracles and BELIEVED it was the very same Messiah performing them. This is how God the Father revealed it to Him. He chose to see Christ THROUGH HIS FAITH, because He wanted to. not the Rabbis, not his friends, not anyone else. God, through Christ, has made Salvation possible TO EVERYBODY. our part is to recieve the Gift of Salvation. ....

[Fleshissin]

Awakenedenlightenmnt, Simon Peter did not believe in the Messiah because he chose to. Jesus distinctly told him that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but God in heaven. God had to reveal it to Peter. He could not believe it on his own, and neither can any of us.Even though Peter was given that revelation, he still denied Jesus 3 times.

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

Peter used his God-Given Faith to see it was Jesus Christ who was THE VERY SAME Messiah prophesised in the Torah. This is How God revealed it to Him. The other apostles could not give the answer Peter did because they WERE NOT USING THEIR FAITH. They were using Perspective given to them by others, it's NOT the same. You follow Christ because YOU Know it's right in your Heart, not because you pastor tells you to, or your friends, You're following your Heart, your Faith. Peter feared for His life.

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

a drowning person must first BELIEVE that hand reaching out to him can indeed save Him for Him to take that next step. We MUST USE THAT FAITH GOD GIVES US to Believe in Him. even Faith, when used AGAINST it's intended purpose is Sin. We can't expect to live sinful, unfaithful lives while God is still faithful to us and expect to die Christians. Christ is also a Just God as well as Loving and Patient one. if someone wants no part of God,Heaven,and the Truth now, they will not want it later either

[Fleshissin]

Ok now you confuse me. You say that a drowning person has to believe that the person rescuing him can rescue him. This is a sore subject with me because when I was 12 I almost drowned. A drowning person is delerious, and can't think about anything but surviving. It's a lifeguard's job to do all that's in his or her power to rescue that drowing person whether they believe or not. A lifeguard's life can be in just as much peril when saving a drowning person because they are in a panic

[Fleshissin]

But a skilled lifeguard knows how to appraoch a drowning person, and how to minimize the potential danger to himself. It's not about reaching a hand to the drowning person because the drowning person's hand does not stay still, they flail about chaotically. Lifeguards don't grab hands, they approach the person in danger from behind and grab them. Sometimes the drowning person is unconcious and can't "believe" in anything. I think you gave a very inaccurate analogy

[Fleshissin]

If the lifeguard who rescued me failed to do so, and he told my mother, "I'm sorry, but your son didn't believe in me so I couldn't rescue him" that would be a slap in the face to her. Lifeguards rescue people who cannot rescue themselves. Firemen rescue people who cannot rescue themselves. Jesus saves people who cannot save themselves. Yes we must believe in Jesus, but we believe in him AFTER he rescues us, not before.

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

Peter was in a situation that any one of us would have reacted to in the same way. I can say all day that I would NEVER deny Christ in any situation but I've NEVER been in such a Life-Death situation yet so I can't REALLY say so for sure.Christ knew what would transpire so He made Him reaffirm His faith eventually later on.

I believe you are right, I did not word that analogy right at all, apologies..I worded it like that because I personally Have no idea what it's like to be a drowing victim.

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

I learned to swim in my Cousin's swimming pool, (BIG ONE) but have NEVER encountered what it would be like to swim in an ocean or anything like that so I don't know what that's like either.

I'll try again..

A drowning man tries with all His might and perishes, but when He trusts in the saving power of another He is rescued.

You got into your unfortunate situation but you or someone else with you knew that a lifeguard would be there to save you in case something happened. Hope I got it

[Fleshissin]

No you are still a ways off. A drowning man tries with all his might, but they are drowing because they can't save themselves and must rely on someone who CAN save them, someone who has the POWER to save those who can't save themselves. Everytime you use an analogy of the drowning person needing to have faith, you miss the point that the power to save is in the savior and the savior ALONE, not in anything the person in peril does. Perhaps one day you will get it

[Fleshissin]

When I was pulled from danger, I didn't say, "Thank God I had faith to believe I could be rescued," all my gratitude, and my MOTHER'S gratitude, went to the person who had the ability to rescue me, and did. This is why you don't have as much of an appreciation for salvation as I do. You think that YOU had a part in it, and I KNOW I had no part in mine, because it is ALL of God, and he alone gets the credit. I'm glad I know better, hopefully you will one day too

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

It is indeed a Lifeguard's job to SAVE people, everybody who gets into these unfortunate situations..

Just like it is God who has ALREADY saved us all through His Son's sacrifice on the Cross and Resurrection..

It is not the Lifeguards job to save people's souls however, We have to realize the Sacrifice God made for us and ACCEPT the Gift of Salvation and understand that we CANNOT attain it with anything we do or will do. We must use the Faith God gives us to do this, from our Hearts.

[RUABerean]

I understand your analogy but here's a better one. We are not all drowning in a sea of sin, we are all DEAD in trespasses and sins(Eph 2:1). Drowning indicates that someone has life trying to keep alive long enough to be rescued, which is how people can instill their OWN analogies that our efforts(in this case, our own belief)saves us UNTIL we are saved by the lifeguard. But when you accurately portray our condition(DEAD), then of a surety we are truly helpless when it comes to saving ourselves

[RUABerean]

We being spiritually dead, can only be revived by God. A dead person doesn't have faith and can't believe. So when you declare our true spiritual condition, you then leave it up to naysayers to insist on believing that we have to raise ourselves from the dead in order to be saved. Before Lazarus was given life, Jesus had to say "COME FORTH." He didn't live until He said, "Loose him and let him go." Fortunately, you already know that no man comes to Christ unless God draws them(John 6:44)

[Fleshissin]

Ruaberean I agree. He attempted to pick apart the drowning analogy but I knew full well that my faith had nothing to do with my being rescued, but some people try to make any analogy fit their beliefs. The fact that we are dead before Christ gives us life cant be refuted. A dead person doesn't have any faith. Thanks for clearing that up for me

[awakenedenlightenmnt]

....of course, there are exceptions to this. a dying athiest / humanist on his deathbed can Accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour and STILL be saved. Just because they are not Christians now does not mean they never will be. Once we are Saved, We are God's and will ALWAYS be, as long as we stay True and Faithful to Him and not leave the path He puts us on.(The prodigal Son parable)I admit I do not have ALL the answers, but I have lived and learned long enough to know enough of the RIGHT answers.

[thoughtmocker]

thanks...this is very helpful....not to strain a gnat....but i dont get the main theme of jesus parables being many are called and few are chosen...in fact it seems jesus is trying to explain that all are being redeemed...like the parable of lazerus or the lost sheep or lost coins etc.. (jews and gentiles brought under jesus)...but anyways thanks again for the insight...i will test this out with much openess

[XposeTheLie]

Understanding Jesus' parables takes much further study. When Jesus told the disciples the parable of the sower, he told them that if they didn't understand THAT parable, they wouldn't understand ANY parable(Mark 4:13). Best wishes as you test the spirits

[thoughtmocker]

ya but don't forget ...he's not talking about a timeless truth he is speaking to a specific crowd for that time....i can understand other parables if i don't understand the sower.... taking lazarus for example it is absolutely clear that jesus is bringing jews and gentiles together while he sticks a dagger in the heart of the pharisees there at the time (Lazarus Translates Eleazar or Abraham's Gentile Head Servant) thats why there are details about the purple robe and linen etc. in the parable

[XposeTheLie]

I didn't forget that. I know full well what the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus means. But if you think you can understand other parables if you don't understand the parable of the sower, then obviously you know more about Jesus' parables than the discples...maybe even Jesus himself. They ALL still mean the same thing though, many are called, few are chosen. I still get that out of the parable of the Rich man & Lazarus. The pharisees are CALLED, but not chosen. Peace out

[thoughtmocker]

Ok So i think i get that now.another question if i may.... What about the names that are blotted out in the lambs books of life, and also in john when jesus says that he is the judge and will judge both the good and the evil(paraphrase and that the evil will be condemned?) or john 3:19 i believe where he says that if you don't believe than you are already condemned? is that referring to this age only as well? do you have any good reading you would suggest? i only have a peripheral understanding.

[XposeTheLie]

The Lamb's book of life once again is symbolic. It's not talking about a literal book with names on it, as though God needs to literally write names down in order to remember people. Being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life means to be disqualified as being God's elect. In 1 Cor 9:27 Paul made a reference to this when he wrote about keeping his body under subjection, lest at anytime he become a "castaway," or literally, "disqualified."

[XposeTheLie]

Just like I mentioned earlier about how all of Jesus parables had the theme that many are called but few are chosen, the chosen(The elect)are the ones who will endure to the end(Mat 10:22;Heb 3:14). All who are currently "in Christ.." that is, all who profess to be Christians are not chosen or elect. Only a few will be elect, and they are those who will endure to the end. Peter says that we are to be dilligent to make our calling and election sure(2 Pet 1:10).

[XposeTheLie]

So, by all means, we should strive to make the blessed and holy 1st resurrection, and avoid the lake of fire(2nd death), and NOT have our names blotted out from the Lamb's book. Being elect is of unspeakable advantage, which is why the early church was so extremely on fire for the Lord. It wasn't to avoid "going to hell," and it wasn't even so much as wanting to "go to heaven," but to attain that ultimate prize of reigning with Christ for the millenium. All will be saved, but not all will reign

[XposeTheLie]

I have found this website EXTREMELY helpful. Google the words "iswasandwillbe," and check out this site by Mike Vinson. In the search on the site, you can type the words "name blotted" and it'll take you to a response to a letter written to him on the very subject.

[thoughtmocker]

jerryjamify,

Could you explain a bit better?

[Zvezdichko1]

Pastor Gary is the best Bible teacher.

[thoughtmocker]

ok so i get this teaching, and i get that paul never spoke of hell.... what is confusing me is that paul certainly spoke of those who would not inherit the kingdom of God...now that is not hell but it does denote something other than being reconciled to God based on actions (eph 5:5.... can someone help me understand this better?)

[jerryjamify]

Believers now in special training, government of God(kingdom) like the clothe paul ask for, he wanted all the things he ask for, but the clothe he had a special place in his heart for. He wanted it first the other stuff he could bring later..

[XposeTheLie]

We have to understand what "inheriting the kingdom of God" entails. Paul undoubtedly knew the meaning of Jesus' parables, that many are called, but FEW are chosen. The few chosen are the ones who will inherit the kingdom of God in THIS life. They are the ones who have the earnest(downpayment) of the spirit(2 Cor 1:22), and who will take part in that blessed and holy FIRST resurrection(Rev 20:6). The many called, as well as the REST of humanity, will NOT inherit the kingdom in THIS life...

[XposeTheLie]

...but only after experiencing the second resurrection to judgment, which is the Lake of Fire judgment. It isn't talking about a literal lake with literal fire as orthodox Christianity errantly believes, but a symbolic fiery judgment that will produce righteousness in all the humanity that undergoes it(Isa 26:9; 1 Cor 3:13-15). So, those who do not inherit the kingdom of God are simply those who are not chosen to partake in the 1st resurrection, and reign with Christ during his millenial reign

[salvationforall1]

Good teaching Gary. I remember bumping into your website many years ago. I was intrigued, but doubted, as it sounded too good to be true. I have now embraced that which I once vehemently denied. What a sweet journey it has been. Continued blessings upon you as you pave the way.

[judaemic]

@salvationforall1

Thats what happens when people get brainwashed in the Pessimistic Churches. I think that the "Too good to be true" is more of a cultural belief. But what would be too good to be true is if we could sin and still be saved.

[loudmouthspeaker]

do you mean to say those that believe are more special then those that dont believe? are you saying that the whole group of people is saved but those that believe receive special notification?

I think you are you are saying that all people will be saved but espeically those that believe..

so how are those that dont believe saved? does God drag those that dont believe to salvation?

You have really missed the mark havnt you

[bob701z]

amen brother Gary

[delightfuldesignAbel]

Gary - I am so thankful for you....I watched your old video Giving Glory...about a year and a half ago...I've been on one amazing journey...Keep it coming...

[danielmusician]

Isn't it great how the verses that Christians use to try to disprove universal reconciliation actually teach universal reconciliation?

[TheChristianHeretic]

Good stuff Gary.

[ChristianNewsWatch]

May the Lord continue to open eyes to this wonderful truth! :)

Thanks Gary for your courage in speaking the truth, even though most can not yet see what the Lord has blessed us to see!