nothing weird or yuk about being un-cut its how every guy should be , and if a girl starts bleating about it tell her to take a hike and get a proper education, a natural penis does need a wash the same as your butt or any other part of your body but the benefits are many , better protection of your sensitive penis head during daily life , sport, running ,cycling etc are all more comfortable due to the natural protection of having a foreskin
I wonder how the AMA and the AAP reacted to this episode as a good deal of the comments from these doctors are not in harmony with the AMA and AAP's policy on infant circumcision. I noticed that Dr. Masters was not so bold and outspoken and pro circumcision when she was interviewed by a late night talk show host.
Dr. Lisa needs to get her foreskin cut off without anesthetic, then I will listen. Untill then, she is nothing more than a hypocritical and sexist bigot!
And where in your life have you heard anything as inappropriate as to create a false sense of security in that being cut can somehow be safer when it comes to the transmission of HIV? Sure statistically your chance may be lower of contracting HIV, but as it does not offer you protection, it is wholly irresponsible to pretend it is safer! So you have a young male who read being having unprotected sex and being cut was safer. He has no condoms so he indulges in risky behaviour, something he might
Thank fuck I come from a part of the world where the vast majority of men are uncut, that includes myself. This is simply a debate that is not held here in Europe. Like the death penalty and unequality for gays and lesbians, male circumcision is one of those religious relics still practiced by an über conservative US that just do not want to fall in with the rest of the advancing world.
Im proCHOICE on this one, not forced. But I decided to get it done mainly for aesthetic personal reasons. Not because of any religion or anything else. I guess for me it was just preference. Was it irrational? Perhaps, but its not something i regret. I say let people decide when they reach 18 or maybe the age of reason and they can express their wishes to their parents. But I live in a dream land because sadly this world isnt going to change much when it comes to family traditions. Like jews lol
Why would Americans start doing this routinely ? when all Americans are are just descendants of Europeans? how could that many people start doing it? it's kinda scary thinking about that.
I was cut at 21...not much difference in sensitivity really. Maybe a little bit of loss but I kinda like it that way because i can last longer now in order to please the woman and when i climax the feeling i get is the same as it was. Plus its easier to keep clean. I hated having to always worry about getting smegma in there...lol I dont give a fuck what research is out there. Im glad I did it!
That is interesting, a bit of a loss when you have lost the majority of penile nerves and nearly all of the specialized ones.. how can you explain this?
Last longer? Sensation loss?? Also funny that the Scandinavians found PE more common in cut men.
@Tandykane Just speaking from my own experience man. I had sex before and after and it wasnt much different except i can last a little longer but the sensation is still very stimulating. It may be different for others but im speaking from my own experience that is all. I did wash...lol. Its just a pain. It develops an unpleasant odor lets say if you go hiking, etc. I dont get that now. I dunno man to each his own on this subject. I just thought id share mine. Thanks.
@Tandykane Well im not sure how they would do research unless they ask patients who have had the procedure done. And then doing tests for sensitivity. i did lose some sensitivity but what i would like to note it that it has not diminished my sexual experience. I used to ejaculate really quickly, obviously because it was more sensitive. BUT, the intensity of the climax i experience hasnt changed. Which i think is more important. If sex was all about sensitivity only we wouldnt need to cum.
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Sorry, but "too much sensitivity" does not cause PE--as the Scandinavian study shows.. and the medieval Jews knew--Rabbi Isaac ben Yedaiah of Southern France, late 13th century.
@theciskokidd , now that you admit that circumcision lead to loss of sensitivity, then let that be know and let GROWN MEN decide whether they would want to compromise themselves for the pleasure of others. Then again, many intact men have no problem with premature ejaculation, thus all the more reason not to have circumcision done to newborns.
How is it just a pain to wash? I never have a problem (takes less than 5 seconds and never develop any "odor"). I am beginning to think you are making this thing up about being circumcised as an adult.
Doesn't it irritate your penis when you wrap a towel around your waist as it is now exposed instead of being protected by the foreskin?
@PungiFungi Well you gotta get in there you know. I dont know its just easier to manage overall now. The towel is fine. No chaffing, etc. I dont know I guess at the end of the day I just preferred it this way. Im not religious, etc. Just my personal preference but I do think parents should let their kids decide, like mine did. Believe me or not, but i do find it odd that you think Id search a video on this and concoct a fictitious story . lol...Ive got better things to do.
@theciskokidd , actually you would be surprise how many circumcised guy came to vids like this and concoct phony stories to convince themselves that circumcision is the way to go, and all of them, if you dig a little deeper, doesn't even know how the foreskin actually works. And about no chafing... that is no getting around that and since you don't get irritated, I can only come to the conclusion that it have been long since desensitized.
But this still leaves open the question of what rational reason for why you are happy--a rational reason predicated on facts and not myths and baggage.
This is crucial to the discussion of circumcision--is it rational or just emotional?
@Tandykane Then lets debate tattoos, piercings, and any other body mods. Funny thing is that I dont have any piercings or tattoos but I am not totally against body mod if it makes you happy. If women want to get breast implants then I am all for it if it makes them feel more confident about themselves. One could argue breast implants are irrational too. Really what this comes down to is whether or not to be cut because of religious reasons. I am an atheist and dont live by"the book".
@jshowa7 , I assume you were circumcised from birth, and thus wouldn't know what a normal penis that have been protected by a foreskin is. Your penis is dry, which it is not suppose to. Your penis should be irritated by your clothes. And also, if circumcision protects agains HIV and other STD then how come the US have the highest infection rates among industrial countries, and how come circumcised men are being told to use condoms?
@Tandykane b) Again, the I is important in that statement. I've experience no sensitivity problems. One study is not definitive proof and again, the sample size in that study is small.
c) Don't have a foreskin, so I don't need to retract it. May not be much, but still easier.
d) You've obviously never ventured into Google Scholar like I've asked. It seems like I have to keep repeating myself to you.
@Tandykane Well, one thing that confuses me about that study is the fact that they claim a sample size of 3000, yet they give no indication in their data or conclusion that they reached that sample size. They just say 90%, 95%, etc. It's also based on, shall we say it again, surveys and its important to note, in regards to surveys, how data is collected and whether people misreported on the survey or actually understood it.
@jshowa7 Maybe you should for one second reflect on the fact of your being cut WITHOUT your consent, how does that feel in the 21 century when we try and do our best to safe as many infants as possible from any harm and abuse in the third world, blaming foreign legislators not protecting their children enough; do I smell hypocrisy?
The US have a blind spot when it comes to MGM and infants´ human rights, continuing an archaic ritual with new bogus medical statistics.Seniors envy uncut juniors.
@roder59 Those "bogus medical statistics" have caused you to have the type of health care you take for granted today and have introduced vaccines that have eradicated diseases where the chance of death is much higher. Again, you talk boldly in your ignorance and I hate people like that.
@Tandykane Alright, you know what, you win. I give up. There is absolutely zero reasoning with you. I tried my best. I'm fine without the foreskin and I can accept the fact that there are medical benefits associated with it. Papers are reality, they are called peer review research papers for a reason. It's because they are based ON STUDIES.
@jshowa7@Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
@Tandykane Why should I answer? It's already clear that you wish to ignore every single study of posted, every single legitimate claim I've made regarding low sample sizes, and you still haven't answered the question is sensitivity more important to you than protection against STD... So the answer is no. I'm not going to humor you anymore on the grounds that you ignore me and have not once said a single thing about the studies I've posted, except they aren't "Real World".
Translation: I don't have any studies, I only have facile excuses to dismiss those existing ones, nor can I supply any credible evidence for the existence of these alleged reduction, so I'll keep dancing.
I'll say this about your studies--they are NOT scientifically credible simply because they fail to fulfill their prediction..good enough for you?
Still ignoring the HUGE worldwide studies for the industrialized countries and even Africa?
@Tandykane Listen, I've given you the evidence. I've told you to go to Google Scholar and look it up. I've told you the problems that exist with low sample sizes and survey based studies, I've told you that anesthesia is uncommon, but can easily be fixed, I've told you that sometimes circumcision is medically necessary, and I've answered all of your questions... Yet it is you that continues to ignore it.
@Tandykane So I'm done, please don't respond to me ever again. And please don't respond to comments that weren't directed toward you, this is a medical procedure and comparing it to other medical procedures is relevant. Your criteria is impossible to fill and you clearly don't have an understanding of logical fallacies, statistics, medical studies, and how to make proper conclusions.
@Tandykane Look, what part of please don't contact me ever again doesn't register? Like I've said, I've shown you the studies, I've shown you the data, I've answered your questions, you've refused to answer mine and you continue to repeat the same thing even though I've provided you with the data and told you where to look for it. You've taken this outside the debate and have turned it into an interrogation.
@Tandykane I have no problems defending myself in an open forum, as I've so rightly done. But it isn't open if you continue to ignore MY QUESTIONS and continue to ignore the studies I'VE PROVIDED. Until you can learn to address other peoples critiques in a way that is productive (i.e. by responding to their questions, addressing their evidence, and not pulling this "real world" fallacy argument) there is no discussion and it leads me to believe that this is your true aim.
@jshowa7 :"Until you can learn to address other peoples critiques in a way that is productive (i.e. by responding to their questions)."
Well, practice as you preach: How was that tooth decay thing again? Dentures to the people or dentists and tooth brush? MGM or safe sex and education?
@Tandykane And might I also point out, this is a proper example of a straw man: "Translation: I don't have any studies, I only have facile excuses to dismiss those existing ones, nor can I supply any credible evidence for the existence of these alleged reduction, so I'll keep dancing."
@Tandykane What part of having a sample size of over 4000 individuals, having a infection protection rate of 60% across multiple RCT's and systematic reviews with high follow up rates isn't fulfilling their hypothesis? I mean seriously, you must be deluded to think that a difference of 2 countries is significant, the DHS study itself says you can't determine causality from it.
"What part of having a sample size of over 4000 individuals, having a infection protection rate of 60% across multiple RCT's and systematic reviews with high follow up rates isn't fulfilling their hypothesis?"
The better question is" What part of real world evidence involving hundreds of millions do YOU not understand?
And we are supposed to think that causality is somehow proven by questionable studies? Double standard much?
@jshowa7 Which specific RCT's in sub-saharan Africa are you referring to? Have you read the actual studies? Have you read the scathing criticism of those "studies" who happen to be PhD's and MD's from around the world?
If those researchers were so confident about their claims of reduction in HIV transmission, they would run those studies in the US, Canada and England, but these circum zealot scientists afraid to do this. Their methodological flaws would be exposed.
@Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
@Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
@Tandykane I just want to let you know that I am well aware that my anecdote has no power against medical research. I was TRYING to make it clear that I AM LIVING PROOF that you can get circumcised and not have complications with sensitivity. Maybe I was lucky, I don't know.
"I was TRYING to make it clear that I AM LIVING PROOF that you can get circumcised and not have complications with sensitivity. " What you believes can hardly be considered PROOF!
@jshowa7 It does you just don't know it but you know based on pure facts that you can't possibly experience the full extent of sexual pleasure without a foreskin
Yeh, as you keep stating, but since you cannot provide any real world evidence of this alleged reduction, your point is completely irrelevant.. The key words are "if" & "can", and neither are so.
Your arrogance is just rampant: we make use of US First Amendment if you don´t mind, saying our minds and fighting baloney wherever it´s a possible danger to human integrity and basic human rights.
We don´t contact you,you are trying to ram in your egocentric MGM dogma from a abused´s perspective into us:"I´m just fine,good sex,no sensitivity loss, maybe I´m lucky, it´s basicly not the infants´ human rights rather the parents´, anti-circ idiots.
@jshowa7 Condoms protect against STD's and UTIs are more common in mutilated infants. You are way too influenced by this money making vicious cycle propaganda. Your women aren't mutilated and if I told you you should to protect from disease you would laugh in my face. Wake up and educate yourself properly. Are you going to go and be castrated to avoid testicular cancer!?
@jshowa7 :"Those "bogus medical statistics" have caused you to have the type of health care you take for granted today and have introduced vaccines that have eradicated diseases where the chance of death is much higher. Again, you talk boldly in your ignorance and I hate people like that."
I suppose you´re medical student, hypochondriac, indoctrinated and brainwashed without one ounce of critical thinking outside the box and disregarding evolution, ethics and basic human rights.
"Again that was an example. And please stop calling it "male genital mutilation" it is CIRCUMCISION." Circumcision is a euphemism, the correct term is genital mutilation.
The largest study done on circumcision in Korea showed masturbatory pleasure decreased in 48% of the respondents. Masturbatory difficulty increased in 63%. 20% reported that their sex life was worse after circumcision.
@athousandstrats "Uncut all the way. (and I'm cut)" My friend said that too....until I took a look at his dick...turns out he was also classified as a liar. =[
Hopefully all of these idiots will die from catching HIV/AIDS because anyone that is stupid enough to believe the lies that circumcision prevents diseases, deserves what they get from infected individuals.
Let the kid decide when he grows... I've heard of people who regret getting circumcised... We're born w/ it after many years of evolution...if we didn't need it...we more likely wouldn't have it...
I'm circumcised as everyone in my family. I will do it my sons and so on. Why?,,,because firstly be happy waht you have hey i wouldnt mind having a foreskin but not want one i personally think their ugly looking! And this penis-sensitive...i dont know but if i just rub my hand gently where my head meets my shaft it HURTS! So i guess im sensitive...... ,
Its MY CHILD..MY LIFE..MY BELIEFS. So all you people shut up and live your own lives.You cant judge how i live my life.
@Sillysore Oh so the only reason why you want to cut off your son's penis is because you think it looks better. What if your son don't think so? Will you apologize to him? You want the right to cut off a person's penis, that being your son, why don't you watch him in pain when the evil doctor takes his skin away. Your penis HURTS because the place where you're describing is exactly where your doctor cut away your foreskin. I feel sorry for you that the pain still affects you today.
No comments, its the international 1st world doctors' debate on world TV, they can debate live on TV, does it mean being too smart cannot work in certain countries when you graduate as first world doctors, you decide ?
5:41 .1 it's called soap and water. 2. then why does Europe have such a lower HIV rate then the US? 3. you're more likely to get breast cancer if you're a guy then penis cancer why don't you cut of guys breasts if that's your point. 4 Seriously? most importantly? are you worried about what some guys gonna think about what you look like? that's an opinion but its not your life now your sons gonna grow up with it and he'll always know it was the result of someone else's point of view.
That doubt is consistent with logic since the empirical evidence throughout the world dispels the claim for circumcision. What you see is what you get.
@BakkBru - ^^ thank god my mom had me circumcised ^^
You would thank your mom, no?
But why? No matter how much she searched her heart, or consulted medical journals, or asked clergy, YOU could have made the same or better decision for YOURSELF when it became relevant to YOU, based on the best evidence then available.
It's just insane rationalization to thank someone for closing doors on your future options for sexual expression.
Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body, HIS decsion.
this is why I DONT watch this show. That woman is just horrible. Someone fire her and circumcise her and see how she likes it. Yes it is possible to circumcise a woman.
My rights were violated, I am completely resentful of the lack of reasoning of my parents and indeed of the apathy of the medical and legal systems of my homeland.
The jewish mohel sucks the blood off the penis. Isn't that sick? Some babies have even died from catching herpes and infections from these mohels. These child molesting mohels also do circumcisions in hospitals as well.
@Brilliantatheist - I find Metzizah B'peh (direct oral suction of the bleeding circumcision wound) most distasteful, but that is a very rare practice.
ALL circumcisions rob a male of the most pleasure-receptive part of his penis.
@Tandykane Ooooo a journal article from someone who suffers from an intelligence superiority complex. WOW you know how to cite! Congratulations! Too bad I can't access the journal numbskull. Heres a citation for you!
Erdman, Joanna, Amy Grenon, and Leigh Harrison-Wilson. Medication Abortion in Canada: A Right-to-Health Perspective. Washington. American Public Health Association. 2008.
Of course a cut penis is drier, normal mucousa exposed to air dries out. Maybe you ougth to read or or even check out a normal penis since you seem to be so ignorant of them.
@Tandykane "Another cut man destroyed"....Beyond pathetic. What the fuck does that even mean a circumcised penis is drier? You have a wet penis? Get real you fuckin mook.
@metyzermanfan19 I am depressed because I have a dried out penis that looks like it was dismembered. Women do not like it and many of them actually prefer an intact penis over a chopped up one. Also, there are plenty of Islamic and religous people that I unfortunately know who think the clitoris and labia is ugly and needs to be removed from their daughters because it happened to the mother. I see a pattern in genital cutting of minors. Disgusting.
Why are so many doctors being sued for circumcision mishaps? Why are so many studies showing such high rates of ED in circumcised men and why is the circumcision rate continuing to drop? Because Americans are becoming more informed thanks to the internet. Most of the men in the world are intact.
@metyzermanfan19 Thank you for the hypocritical thinking and name calling. This only proves that you are sexually frustrated and refuse to look at why it was originally brought to America. Freedom of religion is not one of them. There are many religous traditions that people are told to practice and don't. How about that guy in Canada with the botched circumcision that commited suicide down the road after he was turned into a girl? How about the children that have complications?
Do you pro circs ever wonder why the countries that allow circumcision to be a normal thing also have the highest HIV/AIDS rate, most violence against women and a high amount of people with problems such as impotence and depression? Circumcision destroys 20,000 nerves. Female circumcision (Removal of the clitoris) destroys 8,000 nerves. If a male or a female does not have their prepuse, he or she can't become aroused as easily. Why would you allow someone to do that to someone?
@Brilliantatheist Why do you insists on bringing up female circumcision? It's a non issue in developed countries. By the way I'm Canadian. We have low HIV/AIDS rates, and I do not even know how circumcised dicks have anything to do with violence against women or impotence and depression for that matter. You people with your nasty lookin dicks with smegma need to face facts, your dicks look like shit and chicks hate them. Quit bringing up shit that is irrelevant. Fuckin female circumcision.
@metyzermanfan19 Bigot is as bigot does, but you do not have to believe me. No medical association in the world recommends infant circumcision. Why does cut America have the highest HIV/AIDS rate along with countries in Africa, where as to uncut Europe has the lowest HIV/AIDS rate? Unlike in the USA, prostitution is legal there, so if anything why is America having such problems with HIV/AIDS and impotence? Why are so many American women admitting that they fake it?
@Brilliantatheist Shut the fuck up about religion and all this other useless bullshit. It fuckin looks better, its cleaner, and it's safer in terms of STD's. So shut the fuck up already. No one cares about your affinity for elephant trunk penises.
@metyzermanfan19 Thank you! You are the gift to me that keeps on giving. You have failed to provide any logic or reasoning behind this demeaning procedure. Many people can't even tell the difference between a circumcised penis and an intact penis once it is erect. The intact penis is bigger and less dry compared to the circumcised ones. Actually, being circumcised has no benefits besides one's personal opinion on looks. It is a shame that because it happened to you, you think it enhanced you.
What the clitoris is to a female, the foreskin is to a male. Many women in Africa that have had their clitoris or labia removed would say the same things: "I was circumcised and I have no problems at all. I love sex." This is because when the most erogenous zone is removed, the 2nd most erogenous zone becomes the main erogenous zone. Our bodies want to go back to normal, but you will never know what it was like to be intact after the cut.
@Tandykane I know and it is a shame. I studied this subject only because I wanted to fiind what the beneffts where for this procedure. I studied it and found there were the same reasons why women and girls get circumcised, both in America and in Africa. I don't know how anyone can believe that cutting and removing flesh off of someone's penis or vagina can improve someone's sex life. Circumcision seems absurd.
If you see your baby son and the first thing that pops in your head is to mutilate his genitalia instead of holding and kissing him, you might wanna give that child up for adoption. Just saying.
These idiots sound just like Dr. Harvey Kellogg and his useless propaganda. Look up Female circumcision in America and Sex as nature intended it. Not only does circumcision destroy many nerves for the male, it also harms the female during sexual intercourse because without the foreskin, the vaginal walls are desensitized by the hook shape of the corona gland and the vagina gets dried out more easily. It is no wonder why so many men have ED and why so many women fake it.
@Brilliantatheist Hahahahaha you can't be serious. Get real pal, that's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. I'm circumcised and have NEVER had any problems in the bedroom, and neither has my fiance.
@TrollingYouBe Yeah but then I'd have a disgusting looking dick that stinks and looks like an elephant trunk. YUCK. What woman in their right mind would put that shit in their mouth. ALL the girls I've been with sexually all say theyd never have sex with a nasty uncircumcised penis. So what you have better sensation. I get off all the time and my dick looks better than yours.
@metyzermanfan19 LMAO! Obvious ignorant American is obvious. What about every woman )the UK? Canada? Australia (and any non-bimbo in the US? Bahaha you're the minority. I'm glad your sex life is wonderful and fun-filled, I simply stated it could be better.
@TrollingYouBe Actually its about 50-50. And even if I was the minority, I'd be elated. Look at the majority of Americans, dumb christian loving rednecks with no education. Gotta say, the majority isn't what it's always cracked up to be folks.
@TrollingYouBe Don't go ripping on other guys because your dick looks nasty and girls hate it. Not my fault I don't have to deal with smegma and awkward moments with girls that don't want to put your revolting cock cheese in their mouth, or vagina.
@metyzermanfan19 It is a shame that you do not care enough to educate yourself on such an important topic. You are the typical American that refuses to accept that America has the highest circumcision rate of males, the highest HIV/AIDS rate, the most amount of men diagnosed with erectile dysfunction and the most medications made to treat it. You sound just like those women in Africa who circumcise their daughters and many of them would respond to me the same way you did.
@metyzermanfan19 America used to circumcise plenty of girls. Look up female circumcision in America and sex as nature intended it. I read the studies and arguments for and against it. Get educated about the REAL reason why it was brought to America. To destroy the morst erogenous zone of the male anatomy. The point in having this illegalised is to improve the lives of our children. I am 25 and have been circumcised. I know what I am missing but many people don't until they are in their 40's.
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I wish I could scream in doctor Lisa's face and tell her that she is a Freaking IDIOT! And obviously doesn't understand "medically UNECESSARY"
What a bunch of Idiots! Seriously, NO studies actually 100% prove the accuracy of preventing STDs or Infections with Circumcision. NO medical organization in the WORL recomends it, and it "looks nicer" ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!? It looks nicer to this warped society because they are telling you that it does! UGH! If you do a cosmetic proceedure on your child for your sexual prefrences, you are SICK!
@Tandykane Sure. Before my circumcison procedure, I had a condition called Phimosis (it's when the foreskin is too tight and can't retract back). My doctor told me the only secure option was full circumcision. And I feel great because I don't have to worry about that anymore. The best part about it was that there is NO pain! I was under general anesthesia during the surgery and my penis is STILL numb from the surgery and I'm taking pain medication so I don't feel any pain at all.
Didn't your doctor tell you that simply applying a steroid cream would remedy your problem with no damage to your penis. So all that was totally unnecessary.
Sounds like your doctor was looking for some easy money at your expense...or he was astoundingly ignorant.
@TheDiagnoser Your doctor was wrong. You didn't HAVE to get circumcised. I hope your feeling comes back, in some men, it never does, or hardly any feeling is felt afterward. There are many stretching techniques that you could have done to help fix it. I tried to post the link, but I guess you can't post links on youtube....?
@JaelynSmith89 the stretching techniques were the first thing i tried for several years. It didn't work for me mainly because I also suffered from a frenulum breve. I know I didn't have to do it but it was my decision and I'm proud of my decision. And the "feeling" is still there. What are you talking about? It's actually way more sensitive now but that's probably because my circucised penis is still fresh I'm not sure. The important thing is, i don't have to worry about that anymore.
@TheDiagnoser Well I'm glad that you made an informed decision :) Good for you. I just hope that EVERY man gets to decide for himself and no other child is routinely circumcised.
If doctors are so good, why are people still dying of cancer? There is a cure for cancer, they will not admit it because if they did, it would put many people out of jobs. Do you know how much in debt, the average doctor is in after being in medical school? A little extra money here and there can go a long way with getting out of dept. Circumcision is one of them!
@Brilliantatheist There's a cure for cancer? Please share it with the rest of the world then. There's A LOT of time and money being wasted on cancer research that must thus be redundant attempts at retrieving already know information. Perhaps if you shared this piece of knowledge that only you seem to know you'd save a lot of time, money, and lives. I live quite deeply within the world of health care - I'd like to see my family and friends use their research time and funds more wisely.
"I'd like to see my family and friends use their research time and funds more wisely." I would also, and stop wasting millions of trying to justify a useless practice-circumcision. After 100 years and millions wasted nothing proven--time to give it up already!
@kowtronik69skizmatic First of all, imagine how much more money and funding that the medical docctors and hospitals would gain if this sexist and useless procedure on harming males like me stop! Maybe then we could finally have more breakthroughs in medicine and curing fatal diseases! Maybe then we can actually help people instead of hurting them! Imagine all of the lawsuits that wouldn't be filed against the doctors for complications and deaths from circumcisions! Imagine that!
You believe in liberty to do unwarranted amputations; why did you not storm your legislative house when female genital cutting was outlawed?
^^ I see medical benefits in circumcision ^^
But you can't just make up your own world of benefits. The most up-to-date expert medical policy statement says "absence of medical benefits and danger of complications."
A perfect circumcision amputates thousands of pleasure-receptive nerve endings.
If you don't want it done on your son, that's your right. But MY son is none of anyone else's concern. I see circumcision as clean & healthy. Not to mention circumcision as a religious right.
@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - Your reasons for wanting to alter your son's sexuality for life are no different from proponents of female genital cutting. Yet even a pin-poke to draw one ceremonial drop of blood is illegal for girls on 94% of the planet with no religious exemption.
The 14th Amendment to the US constitution requires equal protection. Help secure it for boys.
Circumcision isn't abuse. If you don't want your son circumcised then don't have it done, but no one has the right to tell another parent what they should do in regards to their child's health & welfare.
@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - Routine circumcision is an abusive amputation that not one national medical association endorses. It is NOT a medical procedure when there is no diagnosis of defect or disease, nor any record of less-destructive remedies tried before jumping to the drastic last-resort step of amputation.
Foreskin feels REALLY good. Sex without foreskin is really impaired. The only person with the moral right to choose cosmetic penis reduction is the penis owner.
If it's not your son, it's none of your business. If I had a son he'd be circumcised a day after birth. As the parent, that's my right. Who cares what others think, anyways? Deal with your own problems.
If you are circumcised and not happy about it or if you are intact and want to do something to help stop unnecessary circumcision, please visit foregen.org
nothing weird or yuk about being un-cut its how every guy should be , and if a girl starts bleating about it tell her to take a hike and get a proper education, a natural penis does need a wash the same as your butt or any other part of your body but the benefits are many , better protection of your sensitive penis head during daily life , sport, running ,cycling etc are all more comfortable due to the natural protection of having a foreskin
JukemDrawles89 2 days ago
Are these people even real doctors?? I doubt it. They just play doctors on tv. I wouldn't trust half of what these people have to say.
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I wonder how the AMA and the AAP reacted to this episode as a good deal of the comments from these doctors are not in harmony with the AMA and AAP's policy on infant circumcision. I noticed that Dr. Masters was not so bold and outspoken and pro circumcision when she was interviewed by a late night talk show host.
neechee5150 6 days ago
Dr. Lisa needs to get her foreskin cut off without anesthetic, then I will listen. Untill then, she is nothing more than a hypocritical and sexist bigot!
Brilliantatheist 1 week ago
And where in your life have you heard anything as inappropriate as to create a false sense of security in that being cut can somehow be safer when it comes to the transmission of HIV? Sure statistically your chance may be lower of contracting HIV, but as it does not offer you protection, it is wholly irresponsible to pretend it is safer! So you have a young male who read being having unprotected sex and being cut was safer. He has no condoms so he indulges in risky behaviour, something he might
johann1979 1 week ago
Thank fuck I come from a part of the world where the vast majority of men are uncut, that includes myself. This is simply a debate that is not held here in Europe. Like the death penalty and unequality for gays and lesbians, male circumcision is one of those religious relics still practiced by an über conservative US that just do not want to fall in with the rest of the advancing world.
johann1979 1 week ago
These are medical professionals? Whats wrong with USA? NO OTHER Industrialized country mutilates newborn males.
Komnenit 1 week ago
This is a terrible show to get information from.
jshowa7 1 week ago
Im proCHOICE on this one, not forced. But I decided to get it done mainly for aesthetic personal reasons. Not because of any religion or anything else. I guess for me it was just preference. Was it irrational? Perhaps, but its not something i regret. I say let people decide when they reach 18 or maybe the age of reason and they can express their wishes to their parents. But I live in a dream land because sadly this world isnt going to change much when it comes to family traditions. Like jews lol
theciskokidd 1 week ago
Why would Americans start doing this routinely ? when all Americans are are just descendants of Europeans? how could that many people start doing it? it's kinda scary thinking about that.
purityninja2 2 weeks ago
i hate dr lisa. she is a disgusting excuse for a doctor.
sophiasmoma 2 weeks ago
I was cut at 21...not much difference in sensitivity really. Maybe a little bit of loss but I kinda like it that way because i can last longer now in order to please the woman and when i climax the feeling i get is the same as it was. Plus its easier to keep clean. I hated having to always worry about getting smegma in there...lol I dont give a fuck what research is out there. Im glad I did it!
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windigo77 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd
That is interesting, a bit of a loss when you have lost the majority of penile nerves and nearly all of the specialized ones.. how can you explain this?
Last longer? Sensation loss?? Also funny that the Scandinavians found PE more common in cut men.
Ever hear of washing?
But glad you are happy.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Just speaking from my own experience man. I had sex before and after and it wasnt much different except i can last a little longer but the sensation is still very stimulating. It may be different for others but im speaking from my own experience that is all. I did wash...lol. Its just a pain. It develops an unpleasant odor lets say if you go hiking, etc. I dont get that now. I dunno man to each his own on this subject. I just thought id share mine. Thanks.
theciskokidd 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd
Well, thanks for the anecdotes--now I can either go with logic or science or some anecdote that makes no sense.
If one CHOSE to get circumcised, I imagine they would find it great also-- as they would HAVE to--or admit they made a bad decision.
If I Contrast your anecdote with the one in the Utube video "circumcised at 18", I wonder which one is closer to the facts and evidence.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Well im not sure how they would do research unless they ask patients who have had the procedure done. And then doing tests for sensitivity. i did lose some sensitivity but what i would like to note it that it has not diminished my sexual experience. I used to ejaculate really quickly, obviously because it was more sensitive. BUT, the intensity of the climax i experience hasnt changed. Which i think is more important. If sex was all about sensitivity only we wouldnt need to cum.
theciskokidd 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd
Here is how we know..the ONLY objective evidence:
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Sorry, but "too much sensitivity" does not cause PE--as the Scandinavian study shows.. and the medieval Jews knew--Rabbi Isaac ben Yedaiah of Southern France, late 13th century.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd , now that you admit that circumcision lead to loss of sensitivity, then let that be know and let GROWN MEN decide whether they would want to compromise themselves for the pleasure of others. Then again, many intact men have no problem with premature ejaculation, thus all the more reason not to have circumcision done to newborns.
PungiFungi 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd, "I did wash...lol. Its just a pain."
How is it just a pain to wash? I never have a problem (takes less than 5 seconds and never develop any "odor"). I am beginning to think you are making this thing up about being circumcised as an adult.
Doesn't it irritate your penis when you wrap a towel around your waist as it is now exposed instead of being protected by the foreskin?
PungiFungi 2 weeks ago
@PungiFungi Well you gotta get in there you know. I dont know its just easier to manage overall now. The towel is fine. No chaffing, etc. I dont know I guess at the end of the day I just preferred it this way. Im not religious, etc. Just my personal preference but I do think parents should let their kids decide, like mine did. Believe me or not, but i do find it odd that you think Id search a video on this and concoct a fictitious story . lol...Ive got better things to do.
theciskokidd 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd , actually you would be surprise how many circumcised guy came to vids like this and concoct phony stories to convince themselves that circumcision is the way to go, and all of them, if you dig a little deeper, doesn't even know how the foreskin actually works. And about no chafing... that is no getting around that and since you don't get irritated, I can only come to the conclusion that it have been long since desensitized.
PungiFungi 2 weeks ago
@PungiFungi I respect your opinion. I can only speak for myself. I am happy I did it Period.
theciskokidd 2 weeks ago
@theciskokidd
But this still leaves open the question of what rational reason for why you are happy--a rational reason predicated on facts and not myths and baggage.
This is crucial to the discussion of circumcision--is it rational or just emotional?
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Then lets debate tattoos, piercings, and any other body mods. Funny thing is that I dont have any piercings or tattoos but I am not totally against body mod if it makes you happy. If women want to get breast implants then I am all for it if it makes them feel more confident about themselves. One could argue breast implants are irrational too. Really what this comes down to is whether or not to be cut because of religious reasons. I am an atheist and dont live by"the book".
theciskokidd 1 week ago
@theciskokidd
I prefer to confine the debate to the FORCED mutilation of infant genitals.
I could care less what adults choose to do to their OWN bodies.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@PungiFungi Not to mention, I am circumcised and I've experienced:
a) No chaffing
b) No sensitivity problems
c) Easier to clean (you have to be extra vigilant to wash a uncircumcised penis to prevent bacteria build up that can cause a UTI)
d) It also protects against transmission of HIV and other STD's and there is numerous studies that support this.
And no, these points aren't phony stories and I've discussed this with you before, so stop making claims unless you can back them up.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7 , I assume you were circumcised from birth, and thus wouldn't know what a normal penis that have been protected by a foreskin is. Your penis is dry, which it is not suppose to. Your penis should be irritated by your clothes. And also, if circumcision protects agains HIV and other STD then how come the US have the highest infection rates among industrial countries, and how come circumcised men are being told to use condoms?
PungiFungi 1 week ago
@jshowa7
"b) No sensitivity problems"
Not true--
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
"c) Easier to clean"
Retract, rinse, replace.
"d) It also protects against transmission of HIV and other STD's : Contradicted by real world empirical evidence.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane b) Again, the I is important in that statement. I've experience no sensitivity problems. One study is not definitive proof and again, the sample size in that study is small.
c) Don't have a foreskin, so I don't need to retract it. May not be much, but still easier.
d) You've obviously never ventured into Google Scholar like I've asked. It seems like I have to keep repeating myself to you.
1) Google Scholar
2) search "HIV circumcision"
3) No contradiction.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
THIS study IS definitive--the objective evidence is.
So, I take your anecdote as too small an OPINION to be credible as it is completely illogical with both the Sorrels and Taylor studies together.
So, come up with a theory (with scientific evidence) as to how this can even be possible.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7
And you have not looked at reality--REALITY is the contradiction to the HIV claim..
LEVELS AND SPREAD OF HIV SEROPREVALENCE AND ASSOCIATED
FACTORS : EVIDENCE FROM NATIONAL HOUSEHOLD SURVEYS Feb 2009
p.109 states that in 18 African countries and India, 10 showed more and 8 showed less HIV infection among circumcised men.
Also the US vs. all of the other industrialized countries..
WHERE is this alleged reduction outside of paper studies?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Well, one thing that confuses me about that study is the fact that they claim a sample size of 3000, yet they give no indication in their data or conclusion that they reached that sample size. They just say 90%, 95%, etc. It's also based on, shall we say it again, surveys and its important to note, in regards to surveys, how data is collected and whether people misreported on the survey or actually understood it.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7 Maybe you should for one second reflect on the fact of your being cut WITHOUT your consent, how does that feel in the 21 century when we try and do our best to safe as many infants as possible from any harm and abuse in the third world, blaming foreign legislators not protecting their children enough; do I smell hypocrisy?
The US have a blind spot when it comes to MGM and infants´ human rights, continuing an archaic ritual with new bogus medical statistics.Seniors envy uncut juniors.
roder59 1 week ago
@roder59 Those "bogus medical statistics" have caused you to have the type of health care you take for granted today and have introduced vaccines that have eradicated diseases where the chance of death is much higher. Again, you talk boldly in your ignorance and I hate people like that.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
Spare me these irrelevant subjects..please provide the same real world evidence for "benefits" for circumcision that vaccines have provided.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7
"c) Don't have a foreskin, so I don't need to retract it. May not be much, but still easier.
Amputation vs retraction--how rational is that?
And you expect rational people to take this silliness seriously..
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Alright, you know what, you win. I give up. There is absolutely zero reasoning with you. I tried my best. I'm fine without the foreskin and I can accept the fact that there are medical benefits associated with it. Papers are reality, they are called peer review research papers for a reason. It's because they are based ON STUDIES.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7 @Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7
Do you have studies comparable to the O'Hara and Danish studies that provide a different results? yes/no?
Do you have any evidence that proves the alleged HIV reduction exists in the real world. yes/no?
Do you have any evidence that proves the alleged STD reduction exists in the real world. yes/no?
How much sensitivity and sensation exists in MISSING penis parts--those most nerve-laden and sensitive parts? yes/no?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7
When you are done with your attempts at dismissal, perhaps you can answer these questions?
Do you have study comparable to the Taylor study that provides a different result? yes/no?
Do you have study comparable to the Sorrels study that provides a different result? yes/no?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Why should I answer? It's already clear that you wish to ignore every single study of posted, every single legitimate claim I've made regarding low sample sizes, and you still haven't answered the question is sensitivity more important to you than protection against STD... So the answer is no. I'm not going to humor you anymore on the grounds that you ignore me and have not once said a single thing about the studies I've posted, except they aren't "Real World".
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
Translation: I don't have any studies, I only have facile excuses to dismiss those existing ones, nor can I supply any credible evidence for the existence of these alleged reduction, so I'll keep dancing.
I'll say this about your studies--they are NOT scientifically credible simply because they fail to fulfill their prediction..good enough for you?
Still ignoring the HUGE worldwide studies for the industrialized countries and even Africa?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Listen, I've given you the evidence. I've told you to go to Google Scholar and look it up. I've told you the problems that exist with low sample sizes and survey based studies, I've told you that anesthesia is uncommon, but can easily be fixed, I've told you that sometimes circumcision is medically necessary, and I've answered all of your questions... Yet it is you that continues to ignore it.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
"I've told you that sometimes circumcision is medically necessary"
Yes, but as been shown to you, the rate is only 6 in 100 000, and that hardly justifies millions of NON-therapeutic infant circumcision.
"and I've answered all of your questions... Yet it is you that continues to ignore it."
Where is the CRUCIAL answer as to WHY we do not see any alleged benefit in the real world?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane So I'm done, please don't respond to me ever again. And please don't respond to comments that weren't directed toward you, this is a medical procedure and comparing it to other medical procedures is relevant. Your criteria is impossible to fill and you clearly don't have an understanding of logical fallacies, statistics, medical studies, and how to make proper conclusions.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
So, all you have to offer are facile excuses for circumcision, but no rational justification for non-therapeutic infant circumcision?
Without this, you have no legitimate reason for this practice--so, when can we expect you to provide this necessary justification?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Look, what part of please don't contact me ever again doesn't register? Like I've said, I've shown you the studies, I've shown you the data, I've answered your questions, you've refused to answer mine and you continue to repeat the same thing even though I've provided you with the data and told you where to look for it. You've taken this outside the debate and have turned it into an interrogation.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
And what part of an OPEN FORUM do you not understand?
WHERE is the CRUCIAL answer as to How & WHY are these alleged benefits NOT seen in the real world..
Claiming to have answered my questions is not equivalent to actually answering them.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane I have no problems defending myself in an open forum, as I've so rightly done. But it isn't open if you continue to ignore MY QUESTIONS and continue to ignore the studies I'VE PROVIDED. Until you can learn to address other peoples critiques in a way that is productive (i.e. by responding to their questions, addressing their evidence, and not pulling this "real world" fallacy argument) there is no discussion and it leads me to believe that this is your true aim.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
"continue to ignore the studies I'VE PROVIDED"
You are confusing "ignoring" and "Refuting" especially with more credible evidence.
So, NOW you are trying to say the REAL World is somehow a "fallacy"?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7 :"Until you can learn to address other peoples critiques in a way that is productive (i.e. by responding to their questions)."
Well, practice as you preach: How was that tooth decay thing again? Dentures to the people or dentists and tooth brush? MGM or safe sex and education?
roder59 1 week ago
@Tandykane And might I also point out, this is a proper example of a straw man: "Translation: I don't have any studies, I only have facile excuses to dismiss those existing ones, nor can I supply any credible evidence for the existence of these alleged reduction, so I'll keep dancing."
jshowa7 1 week ago
@Tandykane What part of having a sample size of over 4000 individuals, having a infection protection rate of 60% across multiple RCT's and systematic reviews with high follow up rates isn't fulfilling their hypothesis? I mean seriously, you must be deluded to think that a difference of 2 countries is significant, the DHS study itself says you can't determine causality from it.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7
"What part of having a sample size of over 4000 individuals, having a infection protection rate of 60% across multiple RCT's and systematic reviews with high follow up rates isn't fulfilling their hypothesis?"
The better question is" What part of real world evidence involving hundreds of millions do YOU not understand?
And we are supposed to think that causality is somehow proven by questionable studies? Double standard much?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7
AGAIN, where is there proof that these alleged benefits are found in the REAL WORLD..
Dancing is not PROOF!
I keep looking, but cannot find--can you?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7 Which specific RCT's in sub-saharan Africa are you referring to? Have you read the actual studies? Have you read the scathing criticism of those "studies" who happen to be PhD's and MD's from around the world?
If those researchers were so confident about their claims of reduction in HIV transmission, they would run those studies in the US, Canada and England, but these circum zealot scientists afraid to do this. Their methodological flaws would be exposed.
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@jshowa7
"Papers are reality, they are called peer review research papers for a reason. It's because they are based ON STUDIES. "
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False John P. A. Ioannidis
An Epidemic of False Claims--Competition and conflicts of interest distort too many medical findings By John P. A. Ioannidis
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@Tandykane If you want to continue to deny the evidence and base your reasoning on the fact that a) sensitivity seems more important to you than STD's b) studies with very little sample size and c) ignore all the studies that point to its benefits, then that's fine with me. The trend of circumcision is down anyways and the public is notorious for not listening to reason. Congratulations, enjoy being among the deluded.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@Tandykane I just want to let you know that I am well aware that my anecdote has no power against medical research. I was TRYING to make it clear that I AM LIVING PROOF that you can get circumcised and not have complications with sensitivity. Maybe I was lucky, I don't know.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7
"I was TRYING to make it clear that I AM LIVING PROOF that you can get circumcised and not have complications with sensitivity. " What you believes can hardly be considered PROOF!
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7 Of course you are missing sensitivity! You are missing 20,000 pleasure nerve endings and the 5 most erogenous zones!
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 1 week ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly Doesn't seem to effect me all that much.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7
"Doesn't seem to effect me all that much."
Again, your beliefs hardly affect reality.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7 It does you just don't know it but you know based on pure facts that you can't possibly experience the full extent of sexual pleasure without a foreskin
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 1 week ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly Personally, I could care less about sexual pleasure if it can protect against STD's and UTI's.
jshowa7 1 week ago
@jshowa7
Yeh, as you keep stating, but since you cannot provide any real world evidence of this alleged reduction, your point is completely irrelevant.. The key words are "if" & "can", and neither are so.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@jshowa7 :"please don't contact me ever again"
Your arrogance is just rampant: we make use of US First Amendment if you don´t mind, saying our minds and fighting baloney wherever it´s a possible danger to human integrity and basic human rights.
We don´t contact you,you are trying to ram in your egocentric MGM dogma from a abused´s perspective into us:"I´m just fine,good sex,no sensitivity loss, maybe I´m lucky, it´s basicly not the infants´ human rights rather the parents´, anti-circ idiots.
roder59 1 week ago
@jshowa7 Condoms protect against STD's and UTIs are more common in mutilated infants. You are way too influenced by this money making vicious cycle propaganda. Your women aren't mutilated and if I told you you should to protect from disease you would laugh in my face. Wake up and educate yourself properly. Are you going to go and be castrated to avoid testicular cancer!?
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 1 week ago
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@jshowa7 :"Those "bogus medical statistics" have caused you to have the type of health care you take for granted today and have introduced vaccines that have eradicated diseases where the chance of death is much higher. Again, you talk boldly in your ignorance and I hate people like that."
I suppose you´re medical student, hypochondriac, indoctrinated and brainwashed without one ounce of critical thinking outside the box and disregarding evolution, ethics and basic human rights.
roder59 1 week ago
@jshowa7 :"...you can get circumcised and not have complications with sensitivity. Maybe I was lucky, I don't know."
On these loose grounds you are prepared to afflict infants and your son a handicap by committing MGM?
I know, you´re just 25, but your arrogance on this issue is appalling, calling us, who defend the intact infant for "anti-circ idiots".
roder59 1 week ago
@roder59 Again that was an example. And please stop calling it "male genital mutilation" it is CIRCUMCISION.
I'm only arrogant because your ignorance is astounding, especially after the numerous studies I've posted.
jshowa7 1 week ago
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@jshowa7
"Again that was an example. And please stop calling it "male genital mutilation" it is CIRCUMCISION." Circumcision is a euphemism, the correct term is genital mutilation.
Tandykane 1 week ago
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The largest study done on circumcision in Korea showed masturbatory pleasure decreased in 48% of the respondents. Masturbatory difficulty increased in 63%. 20% reported that their sex life was worse after circumcision.
tipoomaster 3 weeks ago
Ugh, that douchebag at 5:40... I can't even handle it. Someone please slap him. Uncut all the way. (and I'm cut)
athousandstrats 3 weeks ago
@athousandstrats "Uncut all the way. (and I'm cut)" My friend said that too....until I took a look at his dick...turns out he was also classified as a liar. =[
webserfin 3 weeks ago
How would Dr. Lisa like it if someone tied her down and cut of her clitoris and inner labia and sew her up!
macrent2 3 weeks ago
Hopefully all of these idiots will die from catching HIV/AIDS because anyone that is stupid enough to believe the lies that circumcision prevents diseases, deserves what they get from infected individuals.
Brilliantatheist 3 weeks ago
Americans have made fools of themselves.
Itellthetruth93 4 weeks ago
Let the kid decide when he grows... I've heard of people who regret getting circumcised... We're born w/ it after many years of evolution...if we didn't need it...we more likely wouldn't have it...
DrangelRock 1 month ago
@DrangelRock smart words :D
AsianHideOut 2 weeks ago
I'm circumcised as everyone in my family. I will do it my sons and so on. Why?,,,because firstly be happy waht you have hey i wouldnt mind having a foreskin but not want one i personally think their ugly looking! And this penis-sensitive...i dont know but if i just rub my hand gently where my head meets my shaft it HURTS! So i guess im sensitive...... ,
Its MY CHILD..MY LIFE..MY BELIEFS. So all you people shut up and live your own lives.You cant judge how i live my life.
Sillysore 1 month ago
@Sillysore
So, your reason is that since you have a damaged penis. your sons should have nothing better?
*0% of the people in the world find a damaged penis unattractive--only Jews, Muslims and Americans like scarred, dried-parodies of a penis.
And yes we can judge your actions especially when it violates the basic human rights of children. They are not property!
Tandykane 1 month ago
@Tandykane
Sorry--80%.
Tandykane 1 month ago
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@Sillysore - ^^ i personally think {foreskins are} ugly looking! ^^
But the choice about irreversible cosmetic decision can be left to the one person it will affect. HE can make a better decision for HIM.
^^ I guess im sensitive ^^
How much or what kind of sensation you get to enjoy should not be decided by someone else.
^^ MY CHILD..MY LIFE..MY BELIEFS ^^
HIS body, HIS life, HIS decision.
^^ You cant judge how i live my life. ^^
No human should be blind to abuses.
AliceFLow 1 month ago
@Sillysore
In short, you're saying you're institutionalized as well as that you believe you have the right because you own your child.
I can judge how you live your life because it's another life you're affecting the life of another, forever.
braydenbeautiful 4 weeks ago
@Sillysore Oh so the only reason why you want to cut off your son's penis is because you think it looks better. What if your son don't think so? Will you apologize to him? You want the right to cut off a person's penis, that being your son, why don't you watch him in pain when the evil doctor takes his skin away. Your penis HURTS because the place where you're describing is exactly where your doctor cut away your foreskin. I feel sorry for you that the pain still affects you today.
shawnoodles 3 weeks ago
No comments, its the international 1st world doctors' debate on world TV, they can debate live on TV, does it mean being too smart cannot work in certain countries when you graduate as first world doctors, you decide ?
ArenaJualan 1 month ago
5:41 .1 it's called soap and water. 2. then why does Europe have such a lower HIV rate then the US? 3. you're more likely to get breast cancer if you're a guy then penis cancer why don't you cut of guys breasts if that's your point. 4 Seriously? most importantly? are you worried about what some guys gonna think about what you look like? that's an opinion but its not your life now your sons gonna grow up with it and he'll always know it was the result of someone else's point of view.
purityninja2 1 month ago
@purityninja2
"then why does Europe have such a lower HIV rate then the US? "
I highly doubt foreskin has anything to do with HIV rates haha
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun
That doubt is consistent with logic since the empirical evidence throughout the world dispels the claim for circumcision. What you see is what you get.
Tandykane 1 month ago
"they're screaming cause they're tied down" no they're not Dr. Lisa they're screaming because they are getting their foreskin cut off you dumb bitch.
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BakkBru 1 month ago
thank god i am
BakkBru 1 month ago
@BakkBru
Why? Any rational reason?
Tandykane 1 month ago
@BakkBru - ^^ thank god my mom had me circumcised ^^
You would thank your mom, no?
But why? No matter how much she searched her heart, or consulted medical journals, or asked clergy, YOU could have made the same or better decision for YOURSELF when it became relevant to YOU, based on the best evidence then available.
It's just insane rationalization to thank someone for closing doors on your future options for sexual expression.
Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body, HIS decsion.
RonJLow 1 month ago
this is why I DONT watch this show. That woman is just horrible. Someone fire her and circumcise her and see how she likes it. Yes it is possible to circumcise a woman.
EXLDayzeSRS 1 month ago
My rights were violated, I am completely resentful of the lack of reasoning of my parents and indeed of the apathy of the medical and legal systems of my homeland.
EliteDoomer 1 month ago
The jewish mohel sucks the blood off the penis. Isn't that sick? Some babies have even died from catching herpes and infections from these mohels. These child molesting mohels also do circumcisions in hospitals as well.
Brilliantatheist 1 month ago
@Brilliantatheist - I find Metzizah B'peh (direct oral suction of the bleeding circumcision wound) most distasteful, but that is a very rare practice.
ALL circumcisions rob a male of the most pleasure-receptive part of his penis.
RonJLow 1 month ago
@metyzermanfan19
Funny claim about infections, but any PROOF for this claim..
And the O'Hara study shows that knowing women overwhelmingly (prefer a normal penis to a chopped-up one..
BJU INTERNATIONAL, Volume 83, Supplement 1, Pages 79-84,January 1, 1999.
The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner.
K. O'HARA and J. O'HARA
Another cut man myth destroyed.
Tandykane 2 months ago
@Tandykane Ooooo a journal article from someone who suffers from an intelligence superiority complex. WOW you know how to cite! Congratulations! Too bad I can't access the journal numbskull. Heres a citation for you!
Erdman, Joanna, Amy Grenon, and Leigh Harrison-Wilson. Medication Abortion in Canada: A Right-to-Health Perspective. Washington. American Public Health Association. 2008.
I Guess that makes me smart now hey?!
metyzermanfan19 1 month ago
@metyzermanfan19
Can't access? Hmm, works for everyone else.
Spare me this abortion canard.
Of course a cut penis is drier, normal mucousa exposed to air dries out. Maybe you ougth to read or or even check out a normal penis since you seem to be so ignorant of them.
Tandykane 1 month ago
@Tandykane "Another cut man destroyed"....Beyond pathetic. What the fuck does that even mean a circumcised penis is drier? You have a wet penis? Get real you fuckin mook.
metyzermanfan19 1 month ago
@metyzermanfan19 I am depressed because I have a dried out penis that looks like it was dismembered. Women do not like it and many of them actually prefer an intact penis over a chopped up one. Also, there are plenty of Islamic and religous people that I unfortunately know who think the clitoris and labia is ugly and needs to be removed from their daughters because it happened to the mother. I see a pattern in genital cutting of minors. Disgusting.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
Why are so many doctors being sued for circumcision mishaps? Why are so many studies showing such high rates of ED in circumcised men and why is the circumcision rate continuing to drop? Because Americans are becoming more informed thanks to the internet. Most of the men in the world are intact.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
If someone wants to be circumcised when they are adults, I think they should have the choice, but to impose that onto your child is sick.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 Thank you for the hypocritical thinking and name calling. This only proves that you are sexually frustrated and refuse to look at why it was originally brought to America. Freedom of religion is not one of them. There are many religous traditions that people are told to practice and don't. How about that guy in Canada with the botched circumcision that commited suicide down the road after he was turned into a girl? How about the children that have complications?
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
Do you pro circs ever wonder why the countries that allow circumcision to be a normal thing also have the highest HIV/AIDS rate, most violence against women and a high amount of people with problems such as impotence and depression? Circumcision destroys 20,000 nerves. Female circumcision (Removal of the clitoris) destroys 8,000 nerves. If a male or a female does not have their prepuse, he or she can't become aroused as easily. Why would you allow someone to do that to someone?
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@Brilliantatheist Why do you insists on bringing up female circumcision? It's a non issue in developed countries. By the way I'm Canadian. We have low HIV/AIDS rates, and I do not even know how circumcised dicks have anything to do with violence against women or impotence and depression for that matter. You people with your nasty lookin dicks with smegma need to face facts, your dicks look like shit and chicks hate them. Quit bringing up shit that is irrelevant. Fuckin female circumcision.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 Bigot is as bigot does, but you do not have to believe me. No medical association in the world recommends infant circumcision. Why does cut America have the highest HIV/AIDS rate along with countries in Africa, where as to uncut Europe has the lowest HIV/AIDS rate? Unlike in the USA, prostitution is legal there, so if anything why is America having such problems with HIV/AIDS and impotence? Why are so many American women admitting that they fake it?
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@Brilliantatheist Shut the fuck up about religion and all this other useless bullshit. It fuckin looks better, its cleaner, and it's safer in terms of STD's. So shut the fuck up already. No one cares about your affinity for elephant trunk penises.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19
Looks, like another ignorant idiot is having difficulty accepting that he has a damaged penis and there is no rational reason for it.
Tandykane 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 Thank you! You are the gift to me that keeps on giving. You have failed to provide any logic or reasoning behind this demeaning procedure. Many people can't even tell the difference between a circumcised penis and an intact penis once it is erect. The intact penis is bigger and less dry compared to the circumcised ones. Actually, being circumcised has no benefits besides one's personal opinion on looks. It is a shame that because it happened to you, you think it enhanced you.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
What the clitoris is to a female, the foreskin is to a male. Many women in Africa that have had their clitoris or labia removed would say the same things: "I was circumcised and I have no problems at all. I love sex." This is because when the most erogenous zone is removed, the 2nd most erogenous zone becomes the main erogenous zone. Our bodies want to go back to normal, but you will never know what it was like to be intact after the cut.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
LoL! What the fuck is wrong with americans! i live in EU so fuck you!!! (we dont circumSise) BRITCHES!
gameboy699 2 months ago
@gameboy699 You are lucky, unlike me.
Brilliantatheist 1 month ago
I am amazed at how eager the audience claps @ 7:53. Fucking morons..
ErikWithBrain 2 months ago
@ErikWithBrain
What do you expect? The audience is mostly Americans, and most Americans and both ignorant AND uneducated.
Tandykane 2 months ago
@Tandykane I know and it is a shame. I studied this subject only because I wanted to fiind what the beneffts where for this procedure. I studied it and found there were the same reasons why women and girls get circumcised, both in America and in Africa. I don't know how anyone can believe that cutting and removing flesh off of someone's penis or vagina can improve someone's sex life. Circumcision seems absurd.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
Did these so called doctors ride on the short bus when they were growing up?
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
If you see your baby son and the first thing that pops in your head is to mutilate his genitalia instead of holding and kissing him, you might wanna give that child up for adoption. Just saying.
95ifymami 2 months ago
@95ifymami No no no!! You mutilate his penis AFTER you hug and kiss him silly!
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
or you could use a condom
sezuor 2 months ago
These idiots sound just like Dr. Harvey Kellogg and his useless propaganda. Look up Female circumcision in America and Sex as nature intended it. Not only does circumcision destroy many nerves for the male, it also harms the female during sexual intercourse because without the foreskin, the vaginal walls are desensitized by the hook shape of the corona gland and the vagina gets dried out more easily. It is no wonder why so many men have ED and why so many women fake it.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@Brilliantatheist Hahahahaha you can't be serious. Get real pal, that's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. I'm circumcised and have NEVER had any problems in the bedroom, and neither has my fiance.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 But it COULD be better. Blame your parents.
TrollingYouBe 2 months ago
@TrollingYouBe Yeah but then I'd have a disgusting looking dick that stinks and looks like an elephant trunk. YUCK. What woman in their right mind would put that shit in their mouth. ALL the girls I've been with sexually all say theyd never have sex with a nasty uncircumcised penis. So what you have better sensation. I get off all the time and my dick looks better than yours.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 LMAO! Obvious ignorant American is obvious. What about every woman )the UK? Canada? Australia (and any non-bimbo in the US? Bahaha you're the minority. I'm glad your sex life is wonderful and fun-filled, I simply stated it could be better.
TrollingYouBe 2 months ago
@TrollingYouBe Actually its about 50-50. And even if I was the minority, I'd be elated. Look at the majority of Americans, dumb christian loving rednecks with no education. Gotta say, the majority isn't what it's always cracked up to be folks.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@TrollingYouBe Don't go ripping on other guys because your dick looks nasty and girls hate it. Not my fault I don't have to deal with smegma and awkward moments with girls that don't want to put your revolting cock cheese in their mouth, or vagina.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 Your ignorance is making me giddy. Please continue xD!
TrollingYouBe 2 months ago
@TrollingYouBe ....Blame your parents.
metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 It is a shame that you do not care enough to educate yourself on such an important topic. You are the typical American that refuses to accept that America has the highest circumcision rate of males, the highest HIV/AIDS rate, the most amount of men diagnosed with erectile dysfunction and the most medications made to treat it. You sound just like those women in Africa who circumcise their daughters and many of them would respond to me the same way you did.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@metyzermanfan19 America used to circumcise plenty of girls. Look up female circumcision in America and sex as nature intended it. I read the studies and arguments for and against it. Get educated about the REAL reason why it was brought to America. To destroy the morst erogenous zone of the male anatomy. The point in having this illegalised is to improve the lives of our children. I am 25 and have been circumcised. I know what I am missing but many people don't until they are in their 40's.
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I wish I could scream in doctor Lisa's face and tell her that she is a Freaking IDIOT! And obviously doesn't understand "medically UNECESSARY"
JaelynSmith89 2 months ago
What a bunch of Idiots! Seriously, NO studies actually 100% prove the accuracy of preventing STDs or Infections with Circumcision. NO medical organization in the WORL recomends it, and it "looks nicer" ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!? It looks nicer to this warped society because they are telling you that it does! UGH! If you do a cosmetic proceedure on your child for your sexual prefrences, you are SICK!
JaelynSmith89 2 months ago
Interesting. Just watching because I got circumcised today. I don't regret it. It was for good reason and now I'm relieved. I feel great.
TheDiagnoser 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser
May I ask what this "good reason" was, and how can it feel great when feeling is lost?
Tandykane 2 months ago
@Tandykane Sure. Before my circumcison procedure, I had a condition called Phimosis (it's when the foreskin is too tight and can't retract back). My doctor told me the only secure option was full circumcision. And I feel great because I don't have to worry about that anymore. The best part about it was that there is NO pain! I was under general anesthesia during the surgery and my penis is STILL numb from the surgery and I'm taking pain medication so I don't feel any pain at all.
TheDiagnoser 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser
Didn't your doctor tell you that simply applying a steroid cream would remedy your problem with no damage to your penis. So all that was totally unnecessary.
Sounds like your doctor was looking for some easy money at your expense...or he was astoundingly ignorant.
Tandykane 2 months ago
@Tandykane and didn't you think i tried all i can to resolve the problem for 20 years? Guess not.
TheDiagnoser 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser
I made no assumption at all. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what non-invasive treatments you tried.
The only thing I have to go on are the studies and empirical evidence that show that circumcision is rarely, if ever needed.
Tandykane 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser Your doctor was wrong. You didn't HAVE to get circumcised. I hope your feeling comes back, in some men, it never does, or hardly any feeling is felt afterward. There are many stretching techniques that you could have done to help fix it. I tried to post the link, but I guess you can't post links on youtube....?
JaelynSmith89 2 months ago
@JaelynSmith89 the stretching techniques were the first thing i tried for several years. It didn't work for me mainly because I also suffered from a frenulum breve. I know I didn't have to do it but it was my decision and I'm proud of my decision. And the "feeling" is still there. What are you talking about? It's actually way more sensitive now but that's probably because my circucised penis is still fresh I'm not sure. The important thing is, i don't have to worry about that anymore.
TheDiagnoser 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser
Sure, missing the majority of penile nerves make your mutilated penis MORE sensitive.. how in hell does that work?
Tandykane 2 months ago
@TheDiagnoser Well I'm glad that you made an informed decision :) Good for you. I just hope that EVERY man gets to decide for himself and no other child is routinely circumcised.
JaelynSmith89 2 months ago
If circumcision is so great, why are so many circumcised American men suffering from ED?
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
If doctors are so good, why are people still dying of cancer? There is a cure for cancer, they will not admit it because if they did, it would put many people out of jobs. Do you know how much in debt, the average doctor is in after being in medical school? A little extra money here and there can go a long way with getting out of dept. Circumcision is one of them!
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
@Brilliantatheist There's a cure for cancer? Please share it with the rest of the world then. There's A LOT of time and money being wasted on cancer research that must thus be redundant attempts at retrieving already know information. Perhaps if you shared this piece of knowledge that only you seem to know you'd save a lot of time, money, and lives. I live quite deeply within the world of health care - I'd like to see my family and friends use their research time and funds more wisely.
kowtronik69skizmatic 2 months ago
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@kowtronik69skizmatic
"I'd like to see my family and friends use their research time and funds more wisely." I would also, and stop wasting millions of trying to justify a useless practice-circumcision. After 100 years and millions wasted nothing proven--time to give it up already!
Tandykane 2 months ago
@kowtronik69skizmatic First of all, imagine how much more money and funding that the medical docctors and hospitals would gain if this sexist and useless procedure on harming males like me stop! Maybe then we could finally have more breakthroughs in medicine and curing fatal diseases! Maybe then we can actually help people instead of hurting them! Imagine all of the lawsuits that wouldn't be filed against the doctors for complications and deaths from circumcisions! Imagine that!
Brilliantatheist 2 months ago
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kowtronik69skizmatic 2 months ago
To each their own. I see medical benefits in circumcision so, if it's not your child, it's not your business.
Naughtygoodgurl5000 2 months ago
@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - ^^ To each their own ^^
You believe in liberty to do unwarranted amputations; why did you not storm your legislative house when female genital cutting was outlawed?
^^ I see medical benefits in circumcision ^^
But you can't just make up your own world of benefits. The most up-to-date expert medical policy statement says "absence of medical benefits and danger of complications."
A perfect circumcision amputates thousands of pleasure-receptive nerve endings.
RonJLow 2 months ago
@Naughtygoodgurl5000
"To each their own." So WHY are YOU amputating a normal, healthy, functioning body part that is NOT YOUR OWN?
Or is it you believe your children are YOUR property, hence this "own"?
Tandykane 2 months ago
If you don't want it done on your son, that's your right. But MY son is none of anyone else's concern. I see circumcision as clean & healthy. Not to mention circumcision as a religious right.
Naughtygoodgurl5000 2 months ago
@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - Your reasons for wanting to alter your son's sexuality for life are no different from proponents of female genital cutting. Yet even a pin-poke to draw one ceremonial drop of blood is illegal for girls on 94% of the planet with no religious exemption.
The 14th Amendment to the US constitution requires equal protection. Help secure it for boys.
RonJLow 2 months ago
Circumcision isn't abuse. If you don't want your son circumcised then don't have it done, but no one has the right to tell another parent what they should do in regards to their child's health & welfare.
Naughtygoodgurl5000 2 months ago
@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - Routine circumcision is an abusive amputation that not one national medical association endorses. It is NOT a medical procedure when there is no diagnosis of defect or disease, nor any record of less-destructive remedies tried before jumping to the drastic last-resort step of amputation.
Foreskin feels REALLY good. Sex without foreskin is really impaired. The only person with the moral right to choose cosmetic penis reduction is the penis owner.
RonJLow 2 months ago
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metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
If it's not your son, it's none of your business. If I had a son he'd be circumcised a day after birth. As the parent, that's my right. Who cares what others think, anyways? Deal with your own problems.
Naughtygoodgurl5000 2 months ago
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@Naughtygoodgurl5000 - ^^ Deal with your own problems. ^^
You're right. Child abuse is nobody's business except the abusing parent's. Parent's have a right to abuse in peace.
RonJLow 2 months ago
@Naughtygoodgurl5000
So, because you are allowed to mutilate your son's penis for no rational reason, those concerned with THEIR basic human rights should just shut up?
And no one is allowed to try to educate you out of your obsession?
Some of us do not think an infant is anyone's property to harm as they please.
Tandykane 2 months ago
Are these people actually doctors? I know much more on the topic at 17 than they do...ignorance >_<
TrollingYouBe 3 months ago
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metyzermanfan19 2 months ago
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TURKANDPROUDOFIT87 3 months ago