I invite you Jeremy Clarkson to come and follow your mate Jason Plaiter around that track whilst you Ride my Ducati 1198s and you have to stay with him for a few laps. I think Clarkson should ride a proper superbike for himself. Would love to see the look on his face. ps bikers know this was a set up for the show. He wasn't even using half the revs on the bike.
@speedfreaksUSA Good rider? Ex-500cc racer Neil McKenzie, podium finisher in his time. What he thought he was doing on this day I don't know. What a dick, he barely leaned the bike over. This video was a top gear setup.
Oh Neil Mac you shamed us this day. There are zillions of vids showing lesser bike mag journos beating all the best supercars including the cream of the Lambos. What were you doing this day Neil Mac? I'll put it down to cold tyres. But braking. Leon Haslam can outbrake the best of the cars, why not you? Did your knee ever touch down? You shamed us you bell end. I lost a lot of respect for Neil Mac this day. Clearly a complete setup.
I guarantee that if you put your average car driver on a superbike they'd shit themselves, so in my opinion it takes more bottle to ride a bike and for thrills and adrenaline the bike wins every time for me. It's a lot easier for someone to just step into a fast car and drive it well but with a bike its a whole different story.
"Motor-bicyclist are woosers" Hmmm... Lets see, no seat belts, no metal coocoon, no airbags, no ABS, no traction control. Sorry Jez, who did you say were the woosers?
I'm a fairly good car driver, I've done lots of trackdays with my 1200kg/350-400hp turbo car. On the 600cc bike, I'm a learner becoming intermediate-level after 3 months constant riding. Already I can see that the car would only go quicker on tight bumpy corners or corners with dirt or oil in parts where they can keep the speed up more and keep it moving.
I've driven the car 4 times in 3 months since buying the bike.
Don't buy a bike unless you have lots of self control or you are older.
The only conclusion I can come to is Jeremy Clark and his program has engineered a win for the car despite the bike being capable of a 10 second quicker lap. A 400 stock bike beats it!
and in youtube i just see videos of extreme tuned cars vs a bike with a exhaust.... sometimes bikes win and reverse... just put a really nice tuned car vs a turbo bike with a exhaust... the bike will just dissapear in few moments
bmancodgta4 the brakes from a F1 cant hang 2 races, they got 30 minutes to start up the engine, need a lot of mechanicks just to start the engine ,they have more aerodynamics helps than god and you cant buy 1... lol thats not a car...
we r talking about extreme cars and bikes that u can buy, normally in high speeds racetracks the bikes r faster and in slow s is reverse....
Hang on a sec'... He says "The cream of bikes"!?! Around the time of this particular model of R1 the Ducati 996 SPS was also available to buy, which would be a fairer comparison as V-Twins come out of corners like nothing else, and are still about 3 times cheaper than the car. If you spent 60k-ish on a bike it would sure as fuck beat a Porsche 911. Sick of this biased shit, Top Gear always gives the car an advantage.
@OllyKilo He just means there's not a massive difference between that and say the ducati you're talking about. Usually all the 1000cc's are huge on performance no matter which manufacturer you choose. The car on the other hand is not even slightly close to what he could have chosen. This particular 911 is almost average compared to the cream of the crop of cars, even at the time
@bmancodgta4 All objectivity aside, I just become irate when Clarkson decides he wants to thrust his biased point of view upon the rest of us. OK if you take a huge amount of power, channel it using an appropriate amount of grip and overall it's very light it will go fast. The point is it's a design choice and whatever is better for the circumstances will triumph. Clarkson always seems to choose circumstances best to propagate his opinion rather than to deliver truth. He doesn't like bikes...
What's better - red or blue? Depends what you like.
What's quicker? Bike or car? Depends which bike and which car, who's riding / driving, which track, and what the road conditions are. In other words, there's no clear cut answer to this question.
That means you can stage a 'test' where you chose the variables to support your favourite, and bam! There's your 'proof'!
lol there is one on here with a ducati desmosedi vs ferrari . the bike gubs it due to its tyres , now if the bike came with stickier tyres it would have been quicker
Ultimate completely fair comparison = F1 car vs. MOTOGP. Absolute best both have to offer round a track. That is the ultimate demonstration of four wheel grip in braking and cornering and much better power-to-weight ratio comparison than this 911 and R1. Then the bike lads truly can finally shut up, because the F1 car would spank a motogp bike.
@bmancodgta4 That's not a fair comparison as an F1 car isn't really a car, it's a bespoke creation designed to go as fast as possible. The bike is still a bike. If we're comparing the number of wheels then yeah, four is best for the race track, two is faster on public roads for obvious reasons.
@OllyKilo Yeah but if you're gonna say that then a GP bike isn't a bike cause it's also a bespoke creation. Nothing is the same as a stock bike. I agree with your final statement 100% though. My point was just the highest class of racing for car vs. bike, so in that case I still consider an F1 car a car. Its still called a car, it holds a passenger has four wheels, an engine, body, chassis. I don't really see how its not a car. You would have to say all race cars aren't cars
@bmancodgta4 I was thinking from a purely objective design perspective that an F1 car is so tailored to a race track and so far removed from what you can buy in a highstreet showroom that it can't be considered a 'carriage' per se, I would consider it a 'Driving Machine'. A £10,000 GSXR1000 and a Moto GP bike are a lot closer to each other in terms of shape, styling and performance than say, an F1 car and a 90k Porsche or even a high end Ferrari.
@OllyKilo I agree with that but that doesn't mean it's not a car. There's only so many things you can do to a bike and a lot more you can do to a car. If they could do more mods to bikes they would. They still do everything they can to make it tailor made to a race track so it is as fast as possible, I just think you're relatively limited when it comes to what you can actually do with a bike. I definitely get what you're saying overall and it is a good point, I just respectively disagree
@OllyKilo just seems like we're getting into pretty abstract philosophical debate about weird topics like "what defines a car" lol... which is fun actually so good convo. I'm glad for once I'm not being insulted and being called an idiot for something I said though so I thank you for that
@bmancodgta4 Ha ha, yeah those convos are the best kind. Fuck labeling everything, machines are machines at the end of the day and allegiances toward one type of machine are futile as eventually you might require the capabilities of the another and be happy top have it. The important thing is they go fast. Cars are expensive though.
IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT. TOP GEAR>FIFTH GEAR, FIFTH GEAR<TOP GEAR. Huge diffrence, not that hard to remember. And if you gonna post a video about it, then I would think you know one of these shows, so you can atleast know the diffrence ffs. Dumbasses here on youtube.
it doesn't matter which is quicker! The bottom line is that you can't buy a car for £3000 that will do 160 mph and keep up with a £90000 sports car!! 99% of people who think like Clarkson don't have the doe to ever own a supercar!!
I'm sorry, just remind me again what the price difference was between the car and the bike? Whats that? about 25 grand? Hmmm let me see, 15 quid for a 1 tooth smaller front sprocket on the R1 and about 20 mins to swap it over, and the squashed Beetle would have been history. Do the maths then ask yourself which one you can afford to buy.And insure. Its the bike, isnt it? And you wont get stuck in traffic jams.
If the bike rider is a superbike champion i'm a fagg. No porsche would win against an R1 especially in corners 4 wheels or 20. Yamaha should not give their bike to that man. What a shame loosing to a porsche omfg.
okay... so you can spend some 100K on a car, or spend 10k on a bike that is only a fraction slower around this track and faster in the real world, where most people tend to drive/ride anyway. i must say, 10k is much better than 100k
Its possible to make a 1000bhp bike as much as it is a car. Bike are faster in a straight line and cars are faster in bends (FACT). it all depends on what engine you choose to put in a machine and what chissis you have to deliver that power. It will never be any other way.
@BjarkeJesp its hard to say. most of these videos they use riders that dont race full time wich is stupid its like i said put rossi or hadden on that same bike and i bet they could take a car on a track. this kind of testing should be done by a rider that has the balls to push it . but yes a car has a huge advantege on the track the street is way differnt ive had sports cars try to get away from me on the canyon roads but they cant i always pass them
1 minute 35 seconds, this vid makes me laugh, look up thruxton bike lap record and a 250cc has done a 1 minute 19 seconds. This vid is pure bullshit and if your a biker you can tell by the body launguage it wasnt a real race.
they have video of a gsxr1000 beating a fi car wich is a faster bike than the r1 and not every rider has the balls to push it on a bike. put rossie or hadden on the same track even same bike and they will probebly win. on the track it will be close on the road no chance
@TheCrooked88 on the road the cars are the easier to be driven to the limit..not the bikes..you are totally wrong...and the time record of a 250gp is certainly terribly better than a stock bike one..20seconds?it's possible..250 laptimes are very close to the moto gp's..5-6 seconds average (with worse monobrand tyres..) are not so bad with less than half the power..anyway formula1 times are even 1 minute a lap faster than the moto gp's (suzuka in this case..not a so long track moreover..)
@pazzoallaguida have you ever been on a bike let alone on a track the road is way easier on a bike then on the track. resons 1 the track is sliprier. 2 most of the turns are flat or have a nagative bank to them.3 alot of tracks are hard to read some turns look the same as others so your not always sure wich is wich and how fast you can hit it. the road is real easy to read and hull ass on cause you know whats comeing do to the black and yellow lines they dont lie.
@TheCrooked88 tracks sliprier??! maybe in usa..it's ridiculous..what are you sayin? have u an idea about the cost of the asphalt in the professional tracks?..you met the wrong person..i work in balocco..seriosly..i'm a bike fan and possessor..since when i was 15..but believe me..the experience on the field can teach very much..
but on the other hand, on silverstone they could also use a Zonda for example, and not the slow carrera4. after all Zonda is more of a match for a superbike.
carrera4 should be compared to a yamaha fazer600, they have more commons than with R1 ;)
I love this debate people get so angry about it. What I dont understand is why people seem to be either car or bikes? I personally love both as they are completely different in experiences. However, the fact is that cars are quicker around corners and better at braking. Why does this annoy people so much.
The teaster is Niall Mackenzie and as a result there are not many people who could go much quicker on the R1 as the power and capability of this bike are well within his skill level.
This was the best bike at the time vs an ok car so lets be real here people.
@LocustsAreSwarming yer thats true, but if you need to pick up 10 big bags of shopping on your way home from work, pick up the kids and a crate of beer, thats gonna be hard to do on a bike!
Stupid faggots... the bike is everywhere and everytime faster, that tester wasn't pushing the r1 at the maximum, that's the reason why the porches won.
fuck clarkson talking shit about bikes. the sad truth is that he is a bitch when it comes to bikes. he feels safer in a cage he wont even try to ride a bike because hes a bitch.
I dislike Jeremy Clarkson and I ride bikes, however, I disagree with what you said.
Ho rode a ducati (can't remember what, possibly 916) round a race track.
He also rode a small bike in vietnam on top gear.
He admitted he doesn't ride is because his beer gut would look ridiculous in a leather suit and that he's happy wuth cars.
The whole biker pisstaking thing is a joke, he's not serious. The other two TG presenters ride bikes so it's just joking. similar to calling May "captainslow".
Anyway I get the feeling we are flogging a dead horse.
In conclusion:
Clarkson - Tit
Bikes - Fast and fun
F1 - Faster (still got to stick a boot in about the technology though)
In-fact Clarkson says he is a journo and knows it all, Hammond and May, Butler-Henderson...almost all of the motoring journo's have bikes...I think Tiff and Jason Plato may have had bikes as well...not sure.
Anyway I'm just babbling now. I'll try thinking before I speak in future though, certainly...lol
F1 - M1...I would love to see Rossi try his hand in F1 as Ferrari offered him a spot. That offer would have expired by now, but to do the transfer from Moto GP to F1...wow, even if he didn't win a race just to be able to compete in the rival sport would be amazing. I hear that he was into rally driving as well?
Yeah i have to agree with you WolfieTed it pisses me off too, cause he's always sayin shit about bikes, i mean im pretty sure if he got on one he would have something else to say, he's the pussy that didn't even try to race
that was a set-up. The R1 backed off. And Clarkson knows that bikes are better, that why he has to insult us bikers. he feels threatened by them or something...At least the new 5th gear team make it fair. He seems to just say "bikes are gay because they are and thats that?!" well Mr Clarkson i put it to you that a Porsche 911 turbo driven by a middle age fat bald man who only bought it to impress the hookers he frequently picks up is far more sad then an R1 at full tilt!
just look at nature,the fastest animals have 4 legs not 2,bikes have a higher ptw ratio,if you had an equal ptw ratio it would be an F1 vs a R1 road bike and we all know what would happen with that one eh
The modern F1 cars have almost 1500BHP per Ton, the road going R1 has 950 BHP per Ton. The F1 car still wins yes, but there is less skill involved. traction controle, braking assist, anti stall, computer assisted clutch and gearing, quick shifters...(well bikes have them too) just to name a few of the cracking invetions in F1 that take more and more control from the driver. and lets see an F1 car beat a bike on Brans Hatch ;)
the bike still only has 1 wheel which to get the power down the car has 2 or in this case 4 thats why drag cars are quicker than drag bike etc.the power to weight of this porsche is way down on the bike in this case but the car still beats it
For sure, I accept that 4 wheels is a more efficient way to corner and brake. But getting the power down that much better I'm not too sure about. I mean when the bike opens up, the way the swing-arm is designed it puts a lot of the weight (bike and rider) on the back wheel, this stops it spinning up. (in the dry at least) the thing is, cars often have such massive BHP and Torque that even though the car is heavier it still spins up. look at the R1's 0 - 62 time it can get the power down!
the R1 0-62 is very quick but its only because of the p.t.w ratio,if the porsche had the same ptw then with the 4 wheel drive it would leave the bike,but it would probably have to have 1500 bhp lol
Less Skill!? You are extremely ignorant for that statement. Comparing the skills needed for a race car, esp F1, to those needed for a road bike is like comparing apples to celery. Please do not talk as though you know anything about F1.
And as far as Brands Hatch goes, I can not find record of a motorcycle beating Nigel Mansell's 1:09.593 done in a Williams-Honda for the GP track. Also I can not find any record of a motorcycle beating Scott Mansell's 38.032 also done in a F1 car for the indy layout. If you can find any records proving me wrong, please enlighten me as my limited of Brands Hatch is limited.
These days there is so much "helping" F1 drivers...in the old days it was car/driver. That day is gone.
As for the lap times, I was under the impression from someone who knows Brands pretty well (don't want to name drop) but on his word I was told a modern F1 car can't race there because they would likely bottom out in one section causing damage.
Anyhow even if I was arguing a stupid point I would still continue because Clarkson really pissed me off slagging off bikes all the time.
I can understand why ur not crazy about all the technology introduced into F1, but all forms of racing, motorcycle and automobile, are constantly updating the technology with the strict intention of improving lap time, nothing else. Please excuse the run on scentence.
Yeah the Moto GP bikes would be a better comparison for obvious reasons. The truth is; I'm just so pissed off with Clarkson's constant slurring of bikes and bikers I may have said a few things in anger that made me appear naieve and short sighted and now I'm trying to dig upwards. I have been riding bikes years, and the first R1 I got was a '99 model. It blew my mind. Then people like Clarkson constantly marr Yamaha's good work I don't know any production cars that get 170BHP out of a 1L engine.
That was a very well thought out race to make the car look good. Thruxton's all fast bends and chicane's - the bike can't use its power as its always turning and changing direction takes longer one the bike.
The car's one of the grippiest he could find because that's what counts on that track. 600's and 750's are regularly quicker than 1000's there.
At almost any other track the outcome would be very very different.
Bikers everywhere can shut up? Not likely. Not at all, really. The car is going to win on a track because it has more contact areas than a bike does in corners. You don't ride becuase you're a hetrosexual, yet you examine the riders figure. WTF is with that? And it's leather trousers, not rubber. Besides, I wouldn't use a 1000 for this vid. Maybe a Gixxer 750 or 600. Stay away from what real men like to ride. Motorcycles aren't for squidiots like you, Clarkson.
wow, you didn't get the humor in that video at all. HE WAS KIDDING... Obviously some guy isn't going to wear RUBBER pants while riding a motorcycle. Also, squid refers to an idiot rider that doesn't wear the correct protective gear, so I don't think that insult (or your entire comment) applies here.
Explain how my comment doesn't apply here? Please. For the love of Christ.
You can't. Because it does apply. You're a fucking idiot and shouldn't be allowed to use the internet becuase you're so damn retarded. Watch the vid again and read the post again and please tell me how my comment doesn't apply.
I saw an interesting video once comparing a Lotus and a bike - they timed both on the braking, mid corner and exit speeds to get a more accurate comparison. In some corners they were equal, while other differed quite a bit, so I guess it depends on a large number of factors!
the bike lost u saw it just get over it i ride an r6 and have a redtop corsa ! the bikes the most fun but cars are just faster round corners simple physics
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No it's not rigged. Face it bikers are indeed Ponces, one of the best superbikes in the world, an R1 failed to a Porsche. Had you put an Aerial Atom against the R1 you wouldn't have seen the R1.
fuck off, watch the top gear vid against the cbr600- car drivers say it does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds? why did the 3 second cbr600 beat it off the line?? and with a shit rider on board too!! 0-100 6.5 secs? try 5 secs on a 1000cc bike!
if its that quick they would of raced it against a gixxer 1000 or similar but they didnt cus they knew it would loose you cock
the R1 isn't really beaten its less than a cars length behind. And thats this circuit, a different circuit would be different to a large degree. For the price a bike is close to unbeatable against a car but they are so different in handling and performance there is no real true comparison.
Tiff used to be on Top Gear with clarkson, not the other way round! There is a Fifth Gear vid of Tiff in a Gallardo superleggera racing a bike, a Suzuki GSX1000r or something, and the bike won! That was on Fifth Gear's Anglesey circuit, so I suppose it depends on the track too. Tiff later won it by upgrading the car to a mosler gt, the bike being a ducatti 999, but only by half a second. Both cars are way over £100,000!
Bang for buck? Bikes everytime. That's from a car driver!
To go that fast with a R1, it takes balls the size of the bike
to go that fast with a Porsche, it takes a wallet the size of the bikers balls
henraisse 1 month ago
I invite you Jeremy Clarkson to come and follow your mate Jason Plaiter around that track whilst you Ride my Ducati 1198s and you have to stay with him for a few laps. I think Clarkson should ride a proper superbike for himself. Would love to see the look on his face. ps bikers know this was a set up for the show. He wasn't even using half the revs on the bike.
benjyboba 1 month ago
If I had the money, the Porsche..
But bikes have a very high price to performance ratio, so I would take the bike.
rock3tcat 5 months ago
lol one 250 competicion its what it takes to that porche shit
lisandro364 5 months ago in playlist jok
this is super false lol
lisandro364 5 months ago in playlist jok
I sorta want to see a 840 evo and a R1 go head to head on the track
erikblazer13 5 months ago
@speedfreaksUSA Good rider? Ex-500cc racer Neil McKenzie, podium finisher in his time. What he thought he was doing on this day I don't know. What a dick, he barely leaned the bike over. This video was a top gear setup.
markmywords312 5 months ago
Oh Neil Mac you shamed us this day. There are zillions of vids showing lesser bike mag journos beating all the best supercars including the cream of the Lambos. What were you doing this day Neil Mac? I'll put it down to cold tyres. But braking. Leon Haslam can outbrake the best of the cars, why not you? Did your knee ever touch down? You shamed us you bell end. I lost a lot of respect for Neil Mac this day. Clearly a complete setup.
markmywords312 5 months ago
find a rider who can atually ride the bike...it's not the bike that rides itself...idiotic comparison imo...bike vs car ...hilarious.
Soho1977 8 months ago
I guarantee that if you put your average car driver on a superbike they'd shit themselves, so in my opinion it takes more bottle to ride a bike and for thrills and adrenaline the bike wins every time for me. It's a lot easier for someone to just step into a fast car and drive it well but with a bike its a whole different story.
carpo94 9 months ago
they chose a track that would benefit the cars. its obvious. choose a better circuit and take at least 5 laps to check who's a wooser.
shashankkowekar 9 months ago
Whats the worst that could happen to the guy in the car?Dismemberment paralized broken bones death? NOPE! Bike wins!
Uncrazamatic 9 months ago
I was a major car fan for years, but now i joined the dark side and its awesome!!!!
AndroidJdm 9 months ago
"Motor-bicyclist are woosers" Hmmm... Lets see, no seat belts, no metal coocoon, no airbags, no ABS, no traction control. Sorry Jez, who did you say were the woosers?
Thruxton8 11 months ago 2
Yeah well take the Car on the Isle o Man TT and we will see how shit it is!!
dynamicz108 11 months ago 2
the balls of the guy on the bike slowed him down.
Dirtracer117 1 year ago
check the lap times in some of the tracks like silerstone
kolaouzos 1 year ago
I want to do this test myself now and compare laptimes on a tight track then on an open track, maybe one day.
whatzupa 1 year ago
I'm a fairly good car driver, I've done lots of trackdays with my 1200kg/350-400hp turbo car. On the 600cc bike, I'm a learner becoming intermediate-level after 3 months constant riding. Already I can see that the car would only go quicker on tight bumpy corners or corners with dirt or oil in parts where they can keep the speed up more and keep it moving.
I've driven the car 4 times in 3 months since buying the bike.
Don't buy a bike unless you have lots of self control or you are older.
whatzupa 1 year ago 4
You wouldn't want to attempt a test like that unless someone like Plato was at the wheel of the car.
We have to realise this was for a car show and Jeremy is a professional shit stirrer since childhood.
whatzupa 1 year ago 2
The only trouble with this is the real lap times don't match these times at all. On the Thruxton site these are some of the bike lap times:
Streetstocks 400 Chris Beverley 01:30.14 94.05 29-Sep-07
Streetstocks 700 Nick Andrews 01:23.97 101.17 20-Jun-09
Streetstocks 1300 Hilary Philips 01:22.83 102.57 20-Jun-09
The only conclusion I can come to is Jeremy Clark and his program has engineered a win for the car despite the bike being capable of a 10 second quicker lap. A 400 stock bike beats it!
droceretik 1 year ago 3
the bikes hardly leaning through the bends! doesnt look on the limit at all!!
and the car would be backing off for a bend the bike doesnt notice cus its thinner!
mark675 1 year ago
I'd like to see jeremy on a bike like a r1 once, see how he talks about them then.. if he'd ever be able to talk at all..
ow by the way nice comparison: 50.000 euro car vs 10.000 euro bike...
k0ent 1 year ago
@k0ent yamaha is not european.. japanese
j3rime 1 year ago
@j3rime
'euro' ment money in that sentence idiot :P
k0ent 1 year ago
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k0ent 1 year ago
and in youtube i just see videos of extreme tuned cars vs a bike with a exhaust.... sometimes bikes win and reverse... just put a really nice tuned car vs a turbo bike with a exhaust... the bike will just dissapear in few moments
Charli65 1 year ago
bmancodgta4 the brakes from a F1 cant hang 2 races, they got 30 minutes to start up the engine, need a lot of mechanicks just to start the engine ,they have more aerodynamics helps than god and you cant buy 1... lol thats not a car...
we r talking about extreme cars and bikes that u can buy, normally in high speeds racetracks the bikes r faster and in slow s is reverse....
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OllyKilo 1 year ago
Hang on a sec'... He says "The cream of bikes"!?! Around the time of this particular model of R1 the Ducati 996 SPS was also available to buy, which would be a fairer comparison as V-Twins come out of corners like nothing else, and are still about 3 times cheaper than the car. If you spent 60k-ish on a bike it would sure as fuck beat a Porsche 911. Sick of this biased shit, Top Gear always gives the car an advantage.
OllyKilo 1 year ago
@OllyKilo He just means there's not a massive difference between that and say the ducati you're talking about. Usually all the 1000cc's are huge on performance no matter which manufacturer you choose. The car on the other hand is not even slightly close to what he could have chosen. This particular 911 is almost average compared to the cream of the crop of cars, even at the time
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
@bmancodgta4 All objectivity aside, I just become irate when Clarkson decides he wants to thrust his biased point of view upon the rest of us. OK if you take a huge amount of power, channel it using an appropriate amount of grip and overall it's very light it will go fast. The point is it's a design choice and whatever is better for the circumstances will triumph. Clarkson always seems to choose circumstances best to propagate his opinion rather than to deliver truth. He doesn't like bikes...
OllyKilo 1 year ago
What's better - red or blue? Depends what you like.
What's quicker? Bike or car? Depends which bike and which car, who's riding / driving, which track, and what the road conditions are. In other words, there's no clear cut answer to this question.
That means you can stage a 'test' where you chose the variables to support your favourite, and bam! There's your 'proof'!
Kneedragon1962 1 year ago
lol there is one on here with a ducati desmosedi vs ferrari . the bike gubs it due to its tyres , now if the bike came with stickier tyres it would have been quicker
kawa7900 1 year ago
I like cars more but to buy good car you have to be very lucky but to buy r1 you need just will and good job
filipzanetic 1 year ago
@theroc5851 That's the most mature response I've heard on youtube yet, congrats bud
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
The Swedish Ghost Rider schould lap the guy in the porche....
MrErasmie 1 year ago
And I love bikes... but c'mon, as a general rule, if you find an equal comparison, the car's gonna win round a track, unless its a straight line.
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
Ultimate completely fair comparison = F1 car vs. MOTOGP. Absolute best both have to offer round a track. That is the ultimate demonstration of four wheel grip in braking and cornering and much better power-to-weight ratio comparison than this 911 and R1. Then the bike lads truly can finally shut up, because the F1 car would spank a motogp bike.
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
@bmancodgta4 That's not a fair comparison as an F1 car isn't really a car, it's a bespoke creation designed to go as fast as possible. The bike is still a bike. If we're comparing the number of wheels then yeah, four is best for the race track, two is faster on public roads for obvious reasons.
OllyKilo 1 year ago
@OllyKilo Yeah but if you're gonna say that then a GP bike isn't a bike cause it's also a bespoke creation. Nothing is the same as a stock bike. I agree with your final statement 100% though. My point was just the highest class of racing for car vs. bike, so in that case I still consider an F1 car a car. Its still called a car, it holds a passenger has four wheels, an engine, body, chassis. I don't really see how its not a car. You would have to say all race cars aren't cars
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
@bmancodgta4 I was thinking from a purely objective design perspective that an F1 car is so tailored to a race track and so far removed from what you can buy in a highstreet showroom that it can't be considered a 'carriage' per se, I would consider it a 'Driving Machine'. A £10,000 GSXR1000 and a Moto GP bike are a lot closer to each other in terms of shape, styling and performance than say, an F1 car and a 90k Porsche or even a high end Ferrari.
OllyKilo 1 year ago
@OllyKilo I agree with that but that doesn't mean it's not a car. There's only so many things you can do to a bike and a lot more you can do to a car. If they could do more mods to bikes they would. They still do everything they can to make it tailor made to a race track so it is as fast as possible, I just think you're relatively limited when it comes to what you can actually do with a bike. I definitely get what you're saying overall and it is a good point, I just respectively disagree
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
@OllyKilo just seems like we're getting into pretty abstract philosophical debate about weird topics like "what defines a car" lol... which is fun actually so good convo. I'm glad for once I'm not being insulted and being called an idiot for something I said though so I thank you for that
bmancodgta4 1 year ago
@bmancodgta4 Ha ha, yeah those convos are the best kind. Fuck labeling everything, machines are machines at the end of the day and allegiances toward one type of machine are futile as eventually you might require the capabilities of the another and be happy top have it. The important thing is they go fast. Cars are expensive though.
OllyKilo 1 year ago
its a car program of course the cars gonna win
silliam1of1sqilliam 1 year ago
a track full of corners well done not
mickruss1 1 year ago
porsche all the way, bikes lol, cheep way to get a cheap thrill.
DRP996 1 year ago
@DRP996 you know when are you going to buy porsche ...never but r1 its possible
filipzanetic 1 year ago
IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT. TOP GEAR>FIFTH GEAR, FIFTH GEAR<TOP GEAR. Huge diffrence, not that hard to remember. And if you gonna post a video about it, then I would think you know one of these shows, so you can atleast know the diffrence ffs. Dumbasses here on youtube.
DavidSlagter 1 year ago
more bull off top gear
sonicr1970 1 year ago
it doesn't matter which is quicker! The bottom line is that you can't buy a car for £3000 that will do 160 mph and keep up with a £90000 sports car!! 99% of people who think like Clarkson don't have the doe to ever own a supercar!!
MrMmid2 1 year ago
I'm sorry, just remind me again what the price difference was between the car and the bike? Whats that? about 25 grand? Hmmm let me see, 15 quid for a 1 tooth smaller front sprocket on the R1 and about 20 mins to swap it over, and the squashed Beetle would have been history. Do the maths then ask yourself which one you can afford to buy.And insure. Its the bike, isnt it? And you wont get stuck in traffic jams.
So Clarksons everywhere, shut up!!
pilgrim609 1 year ago
Punch in Tiff vs Leon Haslam , Clarkson eat your heart out !!!
TORNADOS7 1 year ago
If the bike rider is a superbike champion i'm a fagg. No porsche would win against an R1 especially in corners 4 wheels or 20. Yamaha should not give their bike to that man. What a shame loosing to a porsche omfg.
piatramare 1 year ago
No, you're not going to ride the bike because you're a fucking pussy.
blitzergixxer750 1 year ago
okay... so you can spend some 100K on a car, or spend 10k on a bike that is only a fraction slower around this track and faster in the real world, where most people tend to drive/ride anyway. i must say, 10k is much better than 100k
sutter911 1 year ago 5
@sutter911 Agreed.
MikeMckay223 1 year ago
wow! I love motorcycles but have to give it up to the Porsche. It's an incredible machine. 2 extra tires = advantage on turns.
dustpanfryingpan 1 year ago
I think that's the slowest I've ever seen someone ride a bike
oogercrackle 1 year ago
@oogercrackle
get a grip! he is a incredible rider...i'd love to hear your racing pedigree!
MrMmid2 1 year ago
The last straight. The R1-rider didnt pull the full throttle, there's no way, no speed where the porsche could hold up with an R1 on full throttle.
Blader999 1 year ago
Every track I have seen has a quicker lap record for cars than for bikes.
intermision 1 year ago
tied
Yahwehsninja 1 year ago
gotta love the r1 tho . :). cant believe he said bikers were gay.... pretty sure the biker has more balls than he would ever have.
Blacksta69 1 year ago
naja war auch unfär die R6 konnte gar nicht ihre volle leistung zeigen wegenn den kurfen
dennis0693 1 year ago
Its possible to make a 1000bhp bike as much as it is a car. Bike are faster in a straight line and cars are faster in bends (FACT). it all depends on what engine you choose to put in a machine and what chissis you have to deliver that power. It will never be any other way.
kenbiaggi 1 year ago
@TheCrooked88
I hope you ARENT saying that bikes are faster than cars on tracks normally?
BjarkeJesp 2 years ago
@BjarkeJesp its hard to say. most of these videos they use riders that dont race full time wich is stupid its like i said put rossi or hadden on that same bike and i bet they could take a car on a track. this kind of testing should be done by a rider that has the balls to push it . but yes a car has a huge advantege on the track the street is way differnt ive had sports cars try to get away from me on the canyon roads but they cant i always pass them
TheCrooked88 1 year ago
@TheCrooked88 3 times British SBK champion. Not exactly an amateur...
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago 3
1 minute 35 seconds, this vid makes me laugh, look up thruxton bike lap record and a 250cc has done a 1 minute 19 seconds. This vid is pure bullshit and if your a biker you can tell by the body launguage it wasnt a real race.
benjyboba 2 years ago
this is so old
stratomaster5 2 years ago
they have video of a gsxr1000 beating a fi car wich is a faster bike than the r1 and not every rider has the balls to push it on a bike. put rossie or hadden on the same track even same bike and they will probebly win. on the track it will be close on the road no chance
TheCrooked88 2 years ago 2
@TheCrooked88 on the road the cars are the easier to be driven to the limit..not the bikes..you are totally wrong...and the time record of a 250gp is certainly terribly better than a stock bike one..20seconds?it's possible..250 laptimes are very close to the moto gp's..5-6 seconds average (with worse monobrand tyres..) are not so bad with less than half the power..anyway formula1 times are even 1 minute a lap faster than the moto gp's (suzuka in this case..not a so long track moreover..)
pazzoallaguida 1 year ago
@pazzoallaguida have you ever been on a bike let alone on a track the road is way easier on a bike then on the track. resons 1 the track is sliprier. 2 most of the turns are flat or have a nagative bank to them.3 alot of tracks are hard to read some turns look the same as others so your not always sure wich is wich and how fast you can hit it. the road is real easy to read and hull ass on cause you know whats comeing do to the black and yellow lines they dont lie.
TheCrooked88 1 year ago
@TheCrooked88 tracks sliprier??! maybe in usa..it's ridiculous..what are you sayin? have u an idea about the cost of the asphalt in the professional tracks?..you met the wrong person..i work in balocco..seriosly..i'm a bike fan and possessor..since when i was 15..but believe me..the experience on the field can teach very much..
pazzoallaguida 1 year ago
l want a straight line road race
j4sp10n 2 years ago
they say the car is faster on a track, lets see if it can still win at snetterton or silverstone.
They picked a track with no real straight to exaggerate the cars strong points and take advantage of the bikes weak ones.
i guess what im saying is they can tailor the outcome to be whatever they want by track selection and in this case they thought the car should win.
theres never going to be a fair test to prove either is better so you may as well just enjoy the vids;)
salty2121 2 years ago 39
@salty2121 perfectly put :)
kelloggzach 1 year ago
@salty2121 agree with you.
but on the other hand, on silverstone they could also use a Zonda for example, and not the slow carrera4. after all Zonda is more of a match for a superbike.
carrera4 should be compared to a yamaha fazer600, they have more commons than with R1 ;)
dimos47ki7 1 year ago
@salty2121 true... cars are gay though. period.
JeroenLondon 1 year ago
A lambo superlegera couldnt win a ducati, and this porshe can win an r1? riiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
nandoanalog 2 years ago 3
I love this debate people get so angry about it. What I dont understand is why people seem to be either car or bikes? I personally love both as they are completely different in experiences. However, the fact is that cars are quicker around corners and better at braking. Why does this annoy people so much.
skelter74 2 years ago 6
The teaster is Niall Mackenzie and as a result there are not many people who could go much quicker on the R1 as the power and capability of this bike are well within his skill level.
This was the best bike at the time vs an ok car so lets be real here people.
skelter74 2 years ago
but if you ever need to leave a racetrack on your way to work then a bike is better...ever tried to filter in rush hour in a car?
LocustsAreSwarming 2 years ago
@LocustsAreSwarming yer thats true, but if you need to pick up 10 big bags of shopping on your way home from work, pick up the kids and a crate of beer, thats gonna be hard to do on a bike!
TheeBaker 2 years ago
The bike was .75 seconds slower!! Thats about how long it takes to blink, put clarkson in that car and then we'll see who has to shut up.
johnnyjoyce 2 years ago 2
@johnnyjoyce and put clarksons wife on the bike, and again lets see who has to shut up!
TheeBaker 2 years ago
the start was really cool
samfisherman007 2 years ago
bike cots max 10000 and lets say extra 3000 for gear, car is at least 5 times more expensive
yovictor 2 years ago
Stupid faggots... the bike is everywhere and everytime faster, that tester wasn't pushing the r1 at the maximum, that's the reason why the porches won.
huskymanforever 2 years ago
give that yamaha to valentino rossi and you,ll see who,s gonna win
vito0032 2 years ago 4
old topgear...NOT FIFTH GEAR!!!
teamsleepnine 2 years ago 57
@teamsleepnine
It's not Fifth Gear nor is it Top Gear. It's a scene from jeremy clarkson's dvd/vhs "Head to Head"!
tobjord 1 year ago
@teamsleepnine Not even an old top gear its an old clarskon video!
AlpinestarsR6 1 year ago
@teamsleepnine It's neither! It's from a Clarkson DVD he did called "Head 2 Head" which was completely unrelated to Top Gear.
pjonespo 11 months ago
@teamsleepnine is not old top gear is clarkson dvd head to head !!!!!
EVERLIVERPOOL 7 months ago
@teamsleepnine Wrong again, this is one of Clarksons Christmas release videos. It's called Head to Head and was released in 1999
mrcoogs86 4 months ago
i'd still rather have the r1 cuzz the only race most of us will ever do is a traffic light race and the bike will win and alot cheaper....
2wheelsisenough 2 years ago 2
bikers everywhere can't shut up and they never will
NeoZealot1 2 years ago
lets see the porche take on the r1 in a straight line race!
davidmadigan 2 years ago
Completely missed the point!!
googoo1920 2 years ago
Fifth gear? Jeremy on fifth gear?
Su1cidaLPancaKe 2 years ago
its top gear i have it on vhs its really old
davidmadigan 2 years ago
on a track full of corners, which will be faster? Hmmm. I fookin wonder!
pcpsteele 2 years ago
fuck clarkson talking shit about bikes. the sad truth is that he is a bitch when it comes to bikes. he feels safer in a cage he wont even try to ride a bike because hes a bitch.
globe11111 2 years ago 2
I dislike Jeremy Clarkson and I ride bikes, however, I disagree with what you said.
Ho rode a ducati (can't remember what, possibly 916) round a race track.
He also rode a small bike in vietnam on top gear.
He admitted he doesn't ride is because his beer gut would look ridiculous in a leather suit and that he's happy wuth cars.
The whole biker pisstaking thing is a joke, he's not serious. The other two TG presenters ride bikes so it's just joking. similar to calling May "captainslow".
wildchild213 2 years ago 2
Anyway I get the feeling we are flogging a dead horse.
In conclusion:
Clarkson - Tit
Bikes - Fast and fun
F1 - Faster (still got to stick a boot in about the technology though)
In-fact Clarkson says he is a journo and knows it all, Hammond and May, Butler-Henderson...almost all of the motoring journo's have bikes...I think Tiff and Jason Plato may have had bikes as well...not sure.
Anyway I'm just babbling now. I'll try thinking before I speak in future though, certainly...lol
WolfieTed 2 years ago
Holy crap, stop comparing F1 to the R1. Please at least compare F1 to Moto GP.
biglarfspeed6 2 years ago
F1 - M1...I would love to see Rossi try his hand in F1 as Ferrari offered him a spot. That offer would have expired by now, but to do the transfer from Moto GP to F1...wow, even if he didn't win a race just to be able to compete in the rival sport would be amazing. I hear that he was into rally driving as well?
WolfieTed 2 years ago
Yeah i have to agree with you WolfieTed it pisses me off too, cause he's always sayin shit about bikes, i mean im pretty sure if he got on one he would have something else to say, he's the pussy that didn't even try to race
Popestickle 2 years ago
that was a set-up. The R1 backed off. And Clarkson knows that bikes are better, that why he has to insult us bikers. he feels threatened by them or something...At least the new 5th gear team make it fair. He seems to just say "bikes are gay because they are and thats that?!" well Mr Clarkson i put it to you that a Porsche 911 turbo driven by a middle age fat bald man who only bought it to impress the hookers he frequently picks up is far more sad then an R1 at full tilt!
Rant over!
WolfieTed 2 years ago
Olha este cara da R1 tem que dar uma passadinha aki em morangaba , ai pra depois ir pra uma pista , pois vai ser braço nas curvas la na china rsrs.
Tenho certeza que os brasucas aki não tomariam pau desta Porsche nem f... rsrs
Abraços
Dudujfs 2 years ago
forget about the race...just listen to the scream of the F1 car at the end of the vid!! freakn awsome!!
BicT31 2 years ago
If the bike opened up at the end it would have pissed over the porche
Reeper2258 2 years ago
just look at nature,the fastest animals have 4 legs not 2,bikes have a higher ptw ratio,if you had an equal ptw ratio it would be an F1 vs a R1 road bike and we all know what would happen with that one eh
davinski1 2 years ago
The modern F1 cars have almost 1500BHP per Ton, the road going R1 has 950 BHP per Ton. The F1 car still wins yes, but there is less skill involved. traction controle, braking assist, anti stall, computer assisted clutch and gearing, quick shifters...(well bikes have them too) just to name a few of the cracking invetions in F1 that take more and more control from the driver. and lets see an F1 car beat a bike on Brans Hatch ;)
WolfieTed 2 years ago
the bike still only has 1 wheel which to get the power down the car has 2 or in this case 4 thats why drag cars are quicker than drag bike etc.the power to weight of this porsche is way down on the bike in this case but the car still beats it
davinski1 2 years ago
For sure, I accept that 4 wheels is a more efficient way to corner and brake. But getting the power down that much better I'm not too sure about. I mean when the bike opens up, the way the swing-arm is designed it puts a lot of the weight (bike and rider) on the back wheel, this stops it spinning up. (in the dry at least) the thing is, cars often have such massive BHP and Torque that even though the car is heavier it still spins up. look at the R1's 0 - 62 time it can get the power down!
WolfieTed 2 years ago
the R1 0-62 is very quick but its only because of the p.t.w ratio,if the porsche had the same ptw then with the 4 wheel drive it would leave the bike,but it would probably have to have 1500 bhp lol
davinski1 2 years ago
Less Skill!? You are extremely ignorant for that statement. Comparing the skills needed for a race car, esp F1, to those needed for a road bike is like comparing apples to celery. Please do not talk as though you know anything about F1.
biglarfspeed6 2 years ago
And as far as Brands Hatch goes, I can not find record of a motorcycle beating Nigel Mansell's 1:09.593 done in a Williams-Honda for the GP track. Also I can not find any record of a motorcycle beating Scott Mansell's 38.032 also done in a F1 car for the indy layout. If you can find any records proving me wrong, please enlighten me as my limited of Brands Hatch is limited.
biglarfspeed6 2 years ago
These days there is so much "helping" F1 drivers...in the old days it was car/driver. That day is gone.
As for the lap times, I was under the impression from someone who knows Brands pretty well (don't want to name drop) but on his word I was told a modern F1 car can't race there because they would likely bottom out in one section causing damage.
Anyhow even if I was arguing a stupid point I would still continue because Clarkson really pissed me off slagging off bikes all the time.
WolfieTed 2 years ago
I can understand why ur not crazy about all the technology introduced into F1, but all forms of racing, motorcycle and automobile, are constantly updating the technology with the strict intention of improving lap time, nothing else. Please excuse the run on scentence.
biglarfspeed6 2 years ago
Yeah the Moto GP bikes would be a better comparison for obvious reasons. The truth is; I'm just so pissed off with Clarkson's constant slurring of bikes and bikers I may have said a few things in anger that made me appear naieve and short sighted and now I'm trying to dig upwards. I have been riding bikes years, and the first R1 I got was a '99 model. It blew my mind. Then people like Clarkson constantly marr Yamaha's good work I don't know any production cars that get 170BHP out of a 1L engine.
WolfieTed 2 years ago
Yeah, try getting the cost the same then, the F1 costs about 100 times more than the R1. Just wouldn't do that in the real world.
astrapilch 2 years ago
at the end the bike isnt even accelerating hard if he put the power down the bike had enough distance to tka eover
JoeRUGBY10 2 years ago 2
Yes we all know if fake even Clarkson said it was.
SuperleggeraVW 2 years ago
People, it's neither 5th Gear NOR Top Gear! It's one of Clarkson's videos and this particular "race" was rigged from the start.
I believe that Clarkson even admitted as much in his newspaper column; he said that he did it to wind his biker mates up!
nigee008 2 years ago
That was a very well thought out race to make the car look good. Thruxton's all fast bends and chicane's - the bike can't use its power as its always turning and changing direction takes longer one the bike.
The car's one of the grippiest he could find because that's what counts on that track. 600's and 750's are regularly quicker than 1000's there.
At almost any other track the outcome would be very very different.
MrSiraff 2 years ago
Ok bike on car track lets put the car on a bike track and see who wins...
DARKANlAN 2 years ago 5
f430 scud vs ducatti i forgot the model number at mugello? the scud was faster.
ztunelover 2 years ago
Its neither top gear or fifth gear its just from a clarkson dvd.
TheVtieg6 2 years ago
this guy a fag , why is he dissing sportbikes? he is a douche
blingsoulda 2 years ago
damn cool race
iceboots999 2 years ago
Bikers everywhere can shut up? Not likely. Not at all, really. The car is going to win on a track because it has more contact areas than a bike does in corners. You don't ride becuase you're a hetrosexual, yet you examine the riders figure. WTF is with that? And it's leather trousers, not rubber. Besides, I wouldn't use a 1000 for this vid. Maybe a Gixxer 750 or 600. Stay away from what real men like to ride. Motorcycles aren't for squidiots like you, Clarkson.
Firecube01 2 years ago 2
wow, you didn't get the humor in that video at all. HE WAS KIDDING... Obviously some guy isn't going to wear RUBBER pants while riding a motorcycle. Also, squid refers to an idiot rider that doesn't wear the correct protective gear, so I don't think that insult (or your entire comment) applies here.
lalalynx 2 years ago
Explain how my comment doesn't apply here? Please. For the love of Christ.
You can't. Because it does apply. You're a fucking idiot and shouldn't be allowed to use the internet becuase you're so damn retarded. Watch the vid again and read the post again and please tell me how my comment doesn't apply.
Firecube01 2 years ago 2
Clarkson is a bigoted cunt with a small dick and no balls, sorry what's this video about?
OllyKilo 2 years ago
Good fun...
I saw an interesting video once comparing a Lotus and a bike - they timed both on the braking, mid corner and exit speeds to get a more accurate comparison. In some corners they were equal, while other differed quite a bit, so I guess it depends on a large number of factors!
devonbeynon 2 years ago
The R1 is only a fraction of the cost of the Porsche.
Bike = Bigger bang for your buck (money)
Izan508 2 years ago
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The R1 is only a fraction of the safety of the Porsche.
Bike = Bigger bang for your life (death included)
pablonbd 2 years ago
We all meet our deaths in the end, regardless...
Izan508 2 years ago 3
pussy
str8nl 2 years ago
we all know u never get some pussy
pablonbd 2 years ago
clarkson is just bitter because he cant fit on a bike properly!!!
beastinblack 2 years ago 3
that rider was paid to back off, try a ducati 1098, that beat a lambo!!!!
beastinblack 2 years ago
damn cagers
dukviper90 2 years ago
its top gear!
dukviper90 2 years ago
"but cars are just faster round corners simple physics" says dmc12345678910. You sure about that?
blitzergixxer750 2 years ago
well lets see. the r1 driver sucks a fat one. heaven forbid he lean over. give that bike to anyone from the mountains and hed be toast
etownrunnercc 2 years ago
Dude - if you don't know who Neil MacKenzie is then you don't know much about bikes.
devonbeynon 2 years ago
the bike lost u saw it just get over it i ride an r6 and have a redtop corsa ! the bikes the most fun but cars are just faster round corners simple physics
dmc12345678910 2 years ago
this is rigged, the bike is hardly being leant over!! he just wants a reason to piss bikers off
mark675 2 years ago
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No it's not rigged. Face it bikers are indeed Ponces, one of the best superbikes in the world, an R1 failed to a Porsche. Had you put an Aerial Atom against the R1 you wouldn't have seen the R1.
Simon3645 2 years ago
how can u say that, the bike driver is not even making the correct lines.. lolol
R3L4X1N6 2 years ago 3
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mark675 2 years ago
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fuck off, watch the top gear vid against the cbr600- car drivers say it does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds? why did the 3 second cbr600 beat it off the line?? and with a shit rider on board too!! 0-100 6.5 secs? try 5 secs on a 1000cc bike!
if its that quick they would of raced it against a gixxer 1000 or similar but they didnt cus they knew it would loose you cock
mark675 2 years ago
Ariel Atom - Top speed: 225 KM/H
Stock Hayabusa - Top Speed: 303 KM/H with rev limiter enabled.
Even though the R1 was neck and neck with the Porsche, I'm still a bit surprised.
There's a video on youtube of a CBR 600RR racing an Ariel Atom and coming up 4 seconds slower. (It was on the BBC's Top Gear).
If the same rider had have been on the R1, he would have beaten the Ariel.
Robopencil 2 years ago
They should start comparing vehicles which cost the same .... !!!
Sn00pX 2 years ago
This is NOT from Top Gear OR Fifth Gear, it's one of Jeremy's DVD's, Head To Head, i think, OK?!
LP640ROADSTERdk 2 years ago
the R1 isn't really beaten its less than a cars length behind. And thats this circuit, a different circuit would be different to a large degree. For the price a bike is close to unbeatable against a car but they are so different in handling and performance there is no real true comparison.
firebladenut 2 years ago
cars suck, way to expansive, the porsche is 7 times more expansive
rebelos83 2 years ago
I'll pay the extra for the chance to live through an accident.
simmons3d 2 years ago
no risk no fun :P
rebelos83 2 years ago 3
the words of a pussy.
when you risk the most, you live the most.
semtex84 2 years ago
Tiff used to be on Top Gear with clarkson, not the other way round! There is a Fifth Gear vid of Tiff in a Gallardo superleggera racing a bike, a Suzuki GSX1000r or something, and the bike won! That was on Fifth Gear's Anglesey circuit, so I suppose it depends on the track too. Tiff later won it by upgrading the car to a mosler gt, the bike being a ducatti 999, but only by half a second. Both cars are way over £100,000!
Bang for buck? Bikes everytime. That's from a car driver!
ianrkav 2 years ago
Rigged.
1Fex 2 years ago
the thing is... cost difference between a bike and a car, you cant get a car that goes anywhere as quick as an R1 for the same price
theallmightyboosh 2 years ago