Yeah, we all know how those trust funds are handled don't we? I don't care if it means raising taxes consecutive years, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. Provided it is a fair and balanced taxing for all. In the process, we also have to clean up tax codes and stop voting in the "foxes to guard the hen houses" Repeal the disregulations as well. Stop shipping jobs overseas and stop giving corporations incentives to do so. Also, stop oil subsidies.
OMG idea - we can not invade other countries and maybe only have a few military bases per continent; then we could give health care to everybody and their dog! Think the Hudson Intstitute will address that possibility? Somehow I doubt it.
The Hudson Institute is a multi million dollar think tank funded by the corporations that would lose profits making money off of sick people if there was a single payer system or a public option on healthcare. Go look them up for yourself, there should be some disclosure of that in the video, these people are paid to protect the status quo.
The public option is not going to be profitable if it's there to pick up the slack from the other insurance firms. Thus it'll be bailed out once it goes bankrupt.
Bailed out with people's money, which they don't have because they obviously can't afford health care insurance.
So that just means there aren't enough resources for government sponsored corporations. (which is fascism anyway, by definition)
Fannie Mae was privatized, AIG was never public at all. You think I was for the bail out of banks because I am for single payer system on healthcare? LOL I made a video on bailing out banks called "Banking on Failure: Bailout Madness" Go watch it. How about Medicare...are we bailing that out? Are we bailing out the Military? Do you want a end to the VA? The Fire Department? Is indoor plumbing a waste of money? LOL
Subsidizing, bailing out, funding. Call it what you want. It's using taxpayer blood money to pay for goods and services that would either be provided at higher quality and lower cost by the market, or not be provided due to lack of demand.
The military is a beautiful example of throwing vast sums of money in a black hole.
Profit is not a bad word having brought us practically every product and service that sustains us and that we enjoy.
Your comment is not an argument just a misguided opinion stemming from a collectivist ideology (communism. socialism, fascism), all of which have failed in practice.
Try try the alternative being the sweet taste freedom as opposed to the bitter imposition of coercion and top down control.
Fire Department, Police, NASA, Hubble Space Telescope, Sewage systems, Electrical grids, Bridges, Air and Sea Ports, Level 1 Trauma Centers which are the highest level of critical care hospitals in the USA are all publicly owned, they are not profit motivated. Fascism is the merge of corporate and state power, and that is you because you insist corporations make money off of other people's sickness. That's your misguided opinion. That's what the Hudson Inst. does, it promotes fascism.
Public services either suck or are inefficient. The state eats
"Fascism is the merge of corporate and state power" I agree which seems to be the path that we are on with Obama. We need a separation of state and business.
Business make money by delivering products and services that people need and want at a cost lower than that which they are valued by the customer and lower than others are able to provide a comparable product or service. For profit businesses are efficiency machines.
Yes, I agree, Obama is setting up a fascist healthcare system because he is making sure that insurance companies get paid first, and people get access to healthcare second. We need a Medicare type system that covers everyone - insurance itself is a risk management function where the costs are spread out. Medicare is a non-profit insurance, the VA, which the Military has is socialized medicine where the doctors work for the state this is also the British healthcare system.
Anyone with experience of a VA hospital would not wish it on their enemy. The British system is government controlled health care with penalties for using your own money to buy health care when the state refuses to pay. When the state says you have to wait or we don't provide that service you have no recourse.
Insurance has been expanded beyond its purpose and employers have been woven into the system purely because of unredressed historical taxation anomalies. Give us the tax credit, not them.
I support a single payer system. Stratvic, you are in support of "them", the insurance companies, I want to remove that layer of profit making completely from the system. The VA has problems because the military is a very small percentage of the population. Germany has a single payer system and it works great, just like our Medicare system.
I am not in favour of the insurance companies as much as I am against taxpayer funded healthcare.
Medicare is broke and getting worse every year.
VA might be small but it is probably bigger than most countries who have tax payer funded healthcare.
When you socialise healthcare you hand over public control of your life and the risks that your freedom presents to the public purse. You life choices are now everyone else's business because they pick up the tab.
Medicare is broke? LOL That's comical. No, Medicare makes healthcare affordable to those that need it. That's the fucking point. Without insurance people cannot afford healthcare. Besides, 1% of the nation own 40% of the wealth, we have the money. Always with taxes its a matter of who you tax, tax the people that have all the money.
Medicare is an unfunded liability/ ponzi scheme. When the working population stops growing faster than retired it becomes a taxpayer unfunded liability.
"Without insurance people cannot afford healthcare." The function of insurance is to pool risk not reduce the cost.
When 10% of the people pay 50% of the tax you can not afford much of anything. What will you do when they leave or stop bothering to earn?
Medicare works! Why don't you make a video about ending Medicare and the VA and see how that flies. Even the right wing free market crazies do not attack Medicare because people like it and it does a good job. What will make the sick broke is if they use private insurance and that is if they get coverage at all. Private insurance makes money DENYING healthcare, not SUPPLYING healthcare.
The reason you can not remove medicare is not because it is good or efficient or just. You can't remove it because it was promised and people relied on that promise. What you can do is stop digging by making a broken system bigger.
Insurance companies that deny health care in a free market will be boycotted by worried customers similar to a run on the bank. What we don't have is a free market in health care. We have no trade across state lines and distortionary tax credits to name a few.
It was legislation that gained people access to healthcare. So you are saying it can't be removed because it was a promise? Well how about a promise to do the same thing for all people. LOL WTF is wrong with you. And insurance companies deny people healthcare all the time, where are these boycotts? I am done talking with you, I happen to live in a place called reality and its to hard to communicate with you all the way over there in fantasyland.
If we had the tax credit for paying our own premiums and our coverage was not intermediated by our employers we would have the power to fire insurance provider and like runs on the bank for non payment make short work of disreputable insurance companies.
I always find it interesting to see how socialists speak of profit. I wonder how many collectivists have considered that they're own paycheque represents a profit? Perhaps they would like to form a not for profit workforce?
I agree to an extent. BUT I don't think it's that clear cut. I think their funding is contingent on promulgating a market based philosophy and therefore attracts people who genuinely believe in it.
In the short term, there is a two part solutions for paying for health care reform. Tax the hell out of the wall street criminals who got us into this recession, and legalize marijuana and tax it. Increase taxes on tobacco, tax obviously unhealthy foods (sodas, candy, fast food) to a lesser degree.
Yeah, we all know how those trust funds are handled don't we? I don't care if it means raising taxes consecutive years, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. Provided it is a fair and balanced taxing for all. In the process, we also have to clean up tax codes and stop voting in the "foxes to guard the hen houses" Repeal the disregulations as well. Stop shipping jobs overseas and stop giving corporations incentives to do so. Also, stop oil subsidies.
converse401 8 months ago
Wow, that sounds like a plan, some of the best ideas about healthcare I have heard in a while.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
OMG idea - we can not invade other countries and maybe only have a few military bases per continent; then we could give health care to everybody and their dog! Think the Hudson Intstitute will address that possibility? Somehow I doubt it.
funkalunatic 2 years ago 2
The Hudson Institute is a multi million dollar think tank funded by the corporations that would lose profits making money off of sick people if there was a single payer system or a public option on healthcare. Go look them up for yourself, there should be some disclosure of that in the video, these people are paid to protect the status quo.
erkd1 2 years ago 2
Pick Two
[ ] gain profits
[ ] stay in business
[ ] get bailout
The public option is not going to be profitable if it's there to pick up the slack from the other insurance firms. Thus it'll be bailed out once it goes bankrupt.
Bailed out with people's money, which they don't have because they obviously can't afford health care insurance.
So that just means there aren't enough resources for government sponsored corporations. (which is fascism anyway, by definition)
Mastikator 2 years ago
LOL wow, cocaine is a hell of a drug Mastikator. I was going to reply but there is nothing you said that made any sense at all.
erkd1 2 years ago
It sure it, erkd1, it sure is.
Public option = insurance firm version of Fannie Mae (or AIG if you will).
Do you understand that?
Mastikator 2 years ago
Fannie Mae was privatized, AIG was never public at all. You think I was for the bail out of banks because I am for single payer system on healthcare? LOL I made a video on bailing out banks called "Banking on Failure: Bailout Madness" Go watch it. How about Medicare...are we bailing that out? Are we bailing out the Military? Do you want a end to the VA? The Fire Department? Is indoor plumbing a waste of money? LOL
erkd1 2 years ago
Subsidizing, bailing out, funding. Call it what you want. It's using taxpayer blood money to pay for goods and services that would either be provided at higher quality and lower cost by the market, or not be provided due to lack of demand.
The military is a beautiful example of throwing vast sums of money in a black hole.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Profit is not a bad word having brought us practically every product and service that sustains us and that we enjoy.
Your comment is not an argument just a misguided opinion stemming from a collectivist ideology (communism. socialism, fascism), all of which have failed in practice.
Try try the alternative being the sweet taste freedom as opposed to the bitter imposition of coercion and top down control.
stratvic 2 years ago
Fire Department, Police, NASA, Hubble Space Telescope, Sewage systems, Electrical grids, Bridges, Air and Sea Ports, Level 1 Trauma Centers which are the highest level of critical care hospitals in the USA are all publicly owned, they are not profit motivated. Fascism is the merge of corporate and state power, and that is you because you insist corporations make money off of other people's sickness. That's your misguided opinion. That's what the Hudson Inst. does, it promotes fascism.
erkd1 2 years ago
Public services either suck or are inefficient. The state eats
"Fascism is the merge of corporate and state power" I agree which seems to be the path that we are on with Obama. We need a separation of state and business.
Business make money by delivering products and services that people need and want at a cost lower than that which they are valued by the customer and lower than others are able to provide a comparable product or service. For profit businesses are efficiency machines.
stratvic 2 years ago
Yes, I agree, Obama is setting up a fascist healthcare system because he is making sure that insurance companies get paid first, and people get access to healthcare second. We need a Medicare type system that covers everyone - insurance itself is a risk management function where the costs are spread out. Medicare is a non-profit insurance, the VA, which the Military has is socialized medicine where the doctors work for the state this is also the British healthcare system.
erkd1 2 years ago
Anyone with experience of a VA hospital would not wish it on their enemy. The British system is government controlled health care with penalties for using your own money to buy health care when the state refuses to pay. When the state says you have to wait or we don't provide that service you have no recourse.
Insurance has been expanded beyond its purpose and employers have been woven into the system purely because of unredressed historical taxation anomalies. Give us the tax credit, not them.
stratvic 2 years ago
I support a single payer system. Stratvic, you are in support of "them", the insurance companies, I want to remove that layer of profit making completely from the system. The VA has problems because the military is a very small percentage of the population. Germany has a single payer system and it works great, just like our Medicare system.
erkd1 2 years ago
I am not in favour of the insurance companies as much as I am against taxpayer funded healthcare.
Medicare is broke and getting worse every year.
VA might be small but it is probably bigger than most countries who have tax payer funded healthcare.
When you socialise healthcare you hand over public control of your life and the risks that your freedom presents to the public purse. You life choices are now everyone else's business because they pick up the tab.
stratvic 2 years ago
Medicare is broke? LOL That's comical. No, Medicare makes healthcare affordable to those that need it. That's the fucking point. Without insurance people cannot afford healthcare. Besides, 1% of the nation own 40% of the wealth, we have the money. Always with taxes its a matter of who you tax, tax the people that have all the money.
erkd1 2 years ago
"Medicare is broke?"
Medicare is an unfunded liability/ ponzi scheme. When the working population stops growing faster than retired it becomes a taxpayer unfunded liability.
"Without insurance people cannot afford healthcare." The function of insurance is to pool risk not reduce the cost.
When 10% of the people pay 50% of the tax you can not afford much of anything. What will you do when they leave or stop bothering to earn?
stratvic 2 years ago
Medicare works! Why don't you make a video about ending Medicare and the VA and see how that flies. Even the right wing free market crazies do not attack Medicare because people like it and it does a good job. What will make the sick broke is if they use private insurance and that is if they get coverage at all. Private insurance makes money DENYING healthcare, not SUPPLYING healthcare.
erkd1 2 years ago
The reason you can not remove medicare is not because it is good or efficient or just. You can't remove it because it was promised and people relied on that promise. What you can do is stop digging by making a broken system bigger.
Insurance companies that deny health care in a free market will be boycotted by worried customers similar to a run on the bank. What we don't have is a free market in health care. We have no trade across state lines and distortionary tax credits to name a few.
stratvic 2 years ago
It was legislation that gained people access to healthcare. So you are saying it can't be removed because it was a promise? Well how about a promise to do the same thing for all people. LOL WTF is wrong with you. And insurance companies deny people healthcare all the time, where are these boycotts? I am done talking with you, I happen to live in a place called reality and its to hard to communicate with you all the way over there in fantasyland.
erkd1 2 years ago
If we had the tax credit for paying our own premiums and our coverage was not intermediated by our employers we would have the power to fire insurance provider and like runs on the bank for non payment make short work of disreputable insurance companies.
stratvic 2 years ago
I always find it interesting to see how socialists speak of profit. I wonder how many collectivists have considered that they're own paycheque represents a profit? Perhaps they would like to form a not for profit workforce?
stevenmhughes 2 years ago
A simple logic check that will likely be obvious to you:
Corporations are owned by investors.
Investors are people who have saved money.
Savers are people who live beneath they're means.
A socialist will sometimes have a difficult time with the implications of this since socialism itself has a natural tendency to exceed it's means.
stevenmhughes 2 years ago 2
I agree to an extent. BUT I don't think it's that clear cut. I think their funding is contingent on promulgating a market based philosophy and therefore attracts people who genuinely believe in it.
jimbob6986 2 years ago
In the short term, there is a two part solutions for paying for health care reform. Tax the hell out of the wall street criminals who got us into this recession, and legalize marijuana and tax it. Increase taxes on tobacco, tax obviously unhealthy foods (sodas, candy, fast food) to a lesser degree.
MagellansUnderwear 2 years ago 3